Coin purse is almost an essential starting item each run
#h1-discussion
calm bone
opaque nexus
what are the icons on the top right of the keepsakes
brisk trail
It says a lot about my tastes that I like both the Hades version of Hades and the GoW version of Hades, but that I like the latter more because of the fact that he looks like he came out of a Games Workshop illustration while the version of Hades from Hades looks more like he came out of a comicbook inspired gacha game.
calm bone
I wish they'd greatly lower the amount of encounter grinds you have to do to upgrade the rank of items in your stash
hybrid parcel
okay but can we discuss the Hadestown version of Hades
hybrid parcel
hades battle royale
brisk trail
No survivors, total annihilation.
opaque bough
what.
brisk trail
Why aren't there games about Buddhist mythology where you play as an Asura or something?
Yes, I know Asura's Wrath was a thing, but that's one game.
jade crescent
because everyone loves greek and norse mythology
all the others come secondary
well and egyptian
supple field
we live in a society that puts western customs and beliefs as the norm
brisk trail
Not a lot of Egyptian mythology games.
Not a lot of mythology games in general actually.
calm bone
yugioh is the only reason egyptian mythology is even slightly relevant
jade crescent
because.... most 1st world countries have western culture? lol
supple field
uh Rick Riordan
smoky halo
^
brisk trail
He was influential.
supple field
ah yes japan has western culture
jade crescent
plus egyptian being everywhere, you see a ton of influence in american design
brisk trail
Side note, I really want a game about playing as a pro-wrestler who uses pro-wrestling to demolish pantheons of deities.
smoky halo
So god of war
rough token
Let's add the Lore Olympus version too.
@brisk trail And Punderworld?
brisk trail
Not even humanoid ones either, weird eldritch versions of gods who are more angles than shapes.
jade crescent
do people in china put western customs and beliefs as the norm?
smoky halo
But without any weapons
brisk trail
Why not Punderworld?
supple field
depends on where in china you are
brisk trail
Nah, more like real-time SMT, but with pro-wrestling.
brisk trail
So the Raidou games, but instead of using summoning, you just use pile-drivers and frankensteiners.
rough token
Ahh—I think we're getting off-topic. Should probably move to #off-topic-discussion
brisk trail
True.
jade crescent
I mean I said most first world countries, plus you said we live in and since we're all speaking english, it's likely you meant english native countries
brisk trail
The most common kind of mythology in games is vaguely Christian.
calm bone
does Christianity count as a "mythology" tho
rough token
So...ish
jade crescent
I wouldnt count active common religions as mythology
rough token
Anyway, #off-topic-discussion
brisk trail
I posted there.
rough token
Yes, and the rest of the discussion should move there xD
Since we're not talking about Hades here
brisk trail
True.
supple field
no but i am looking respectfully at ares and achilles 👀
calm bone
I think Aphrodite has the worst boons in the game, but I pick her rooms only because im a simp
jade crescent
bruh moment
void vigil
please keep it clean
rough token
I think Aphrodite has the worst boons in the game, but I pick her rooms only because im a simp
@calm bone Her boons have the highest base damage
brisk trail
Thanks Alma.
jade crescent
one of her boons gives bonus damage towards weakened foes, it's pretty nice
supple field
i like aphro's call
jade crescent
yeah, crazy strong
calm bone
yea if you can get that one its kinda nice, but all the weaken stuff is pretty low tier overall I think
supple field
bonk 2-3k damage in one shot
brisk trail
Which makes sense because Aphrodite's a former war deity.
Of course she'd put out a lot of damage, she's Ishtar.
rough token
No no—her core boons have the highest % damage increase of all of the boons
jade crescent
ah you right
rough token
I'm not even talking about her Call
jade crescent
95% to special baseline
supple field
well aphrodite is canonically technically born of the severed genitals of uranus
so she's technically a titan not a goddess
jade crescent
canonically 
rough token
Not necessarily in this canon
calm bone
i dont think ive ever seen that one yet out of my 30ish runs or so
rough token
Remember, SGG is using their own canon
brisk trail
True, but also, Aphrodite was heavily inspired by Ishtar.
supple field
when i say canonically i mean in the original greek myths
rough token
I figured, just wanted to make sure ^.^
brisk trail
Even that was taken from a myth of how Ishtar was born.
jade crescent
canon generally means the game or movie or book type stuff
brisk trail
A hilariously NSFW myth that I will not repeat here.
calm bone
they ought to had Prometheus to the game with fire and burn boons
brisk trail
They ought to add Haephestus to the game with those boons.
What about Hera, too?
Or Apollo?
supple field
well no, canon also can mean a collection of stories accepted as true
brisk trail
Do they just... not exist in SGG's Hades?
jade crescent
yeah I want Hephaestus really bad
brisk trail
I want him and Apollo to show up.
supple field
i want all the gods
jade crescent
what would hera do though?
supple field
moar
brisk trail
A reverse Dionysus would be interesting.
calm bone
Apollo is like the god of light right? I dont really know what kind of light base boons he could have
jade crescent
just complain about her husband? 
I know smite has hera with some sort of automatons but where is that in mythology?
brisk trail
Well... Hera's the goddess of marriage, fertility, birth, cows etc.
jade crescent
can't really use marriage abilities against bosses....
fertility could get a touch, growing stuff maybe
brisk trail
Or healing buffs.
jade crescent
healing doesn't bode too well in roguelikes, at least not as base abilities
brisk trail
Also, god, being a Greek God has to be kind of awful.
brisk trail
That's Aphrodite. You're kind of doomed to be a not good person through your simple cosmic obligation to fill a role at the cost of your own mental wellbeing.
calm bone
I always get the two of them mixed up lol
void vigil
please keep it clean
brisk trail
Thanks Alma.
jade crescent
but as humans we have to make the most of our lives, and become better people and whatnot, if you live forever I don't know if those would be important to you
supple field
hera could increase chances for better boons i guess, just stuff that would affect boons in general
jade crescent
so almost like how hermes works, just bonuses rather than new effects
brisk trail
I think something that's important to note is that Hera and Zeus are typically genuinely, blisfully, truly happy in their marriage, but Zeus is literally cosmically bound to be a horndog as a weird ideal of Greek masculinity and Hera is in turn cosmically bound to be jealous and vindictive even though she, on some level, grasps the fact that Zeus' behavior is on some level not under his control.
The Fates just make things worse.
supple field
not necessarily, ||some stories say that zeus raped her and she married him out of obligation||
jade crescent
I always got teh impression those two were kinda always at each others throats
brisk trail
Oof.
vagrant flint
DUSA PLUSHIE WHEN?
jade crescent
similar story to persephone
although that one depends a lot on which version you read
tranquil fable
DUSA PLUSHIE!!
calm bone
Could maybe add Tyche as the Goddess of Luck to increase your chances at better rewards and stuff
supple field
basically he fell in love with her but she refused his marriage proposal. then he turned into an animal bc he knew she loved them. he turned into a tiny bird and created a storm and sat in her window. she let him in, held him to her breast, and then he turned into himself. then you know what happens
tyche isnt an olympian
steel flicker
where is my aspect of christ supergiant
calm bone
the hidden easter egg Jesus boon
brisk trail
Christ isn't exactly a weapon user.
steel flicker
you get other cheek
ocean kayak
alright everybody
steel flicker
forgive your foes
ocean kayak
i got scintillating feast
don't wanna jinx it but i might be able to get to styx this run
tranquil fable
Good luck!
ebon sleet
i like how zagreus is a fan of achilles. he can put a poster of achilles in his bedroom
warm palm
is there an aspect tier list??
warm dove
achilles is his sensei
jade crescent
everything>ares
calm bone
Ares as a nearly impossible ultra late game boss fight would be cool
tranquil fable
Fists go BRRRRR
narrow hemlock
leave my mans alone 
supple field
my eyes went literally 😍 when i saw achilles and ares
viral bane
I've a nemesis crest for 6 more encounters - should I go fight ||Hades ||or go into a gate with centaur heart
How many encounters roughly is a reward door at styx?
tranquil fable
It's roughly 6
smoky wharf
Guys the final boss is considered a spoiler in this channel
tranquil fable
Thank you for letting me know
smoky wharf
please either use a spoiler tag or refer to him as redacted (its what hypno calls him when you die so people use it as an alternate name)
viral bane
Sorry, I thought only the #h1-for-new-players had no spoilers
brisk trail
Achilles is best sensei.
viral bane
Will say redacted from now on haha
smoky wharf
all good
viral bane
Hmm if they're average 6 rooms I guess just go to the boss so huh
smoky wharf
apparently spoilers are supposedly only allowed in the story & spoilers section
also good luck man
viral bane
Since the backstab dmg should beat a heart
tranquil fable
Good luck!
viral bane
Thanks lads
smoky wharf
np
viral bane
3rd win in a row hopefully
viral bane
I bought the titans blood too so hopefully I didn't gimp myself too hard haha
smoky wharf
got the game sunday
ocean kayak
Got past Lernie with all my lives intact!
viral bane
Nice!
smoky wharf
Lernie?
viral bane
I bought it on Monday after my last exam and I'm addicted haha
ocean kayak
either these strongbows are going down, or i am going down
potent carbon
does demeter cast work with poseidon aspect?
or is that a bad choice
it doesn't lodge right
zinc nacelle
round enemies cant be backstapped right
for bonus dmg
like that mini boss in first act
purple guy
atomic rover
Hi guys! How role Hades Weekly Challenge works?
tranquil fable
Same question 👀
smoky wharf
Weekly Challenge?
tranquil fable
It's one of the roles in #bot-commands
smoky wharf
oh
marsh field
This game, aaah, so good. and one of the things that STILL gives me joy, even after what, 180 runs (most in early access though) is that little headshake zag does when he emerges from the blood pool to shake the blood off his hair
tulip acorn
Has anyone gotten Chaos' legendary? The +1 Death Defiance
tulip acorn
Apparently its adds +1 to ur total?
void vigil
the weekly challenges are on break right now, but you can check them out and attempt the previous ones in the #h1-builds-and-combat pins! the role is so you get pinged when the new weekly challenges are up.
fallen violet
You cant attack for 4 rooms
warm dove
Asterius got neft soooooooo bad since early access tho
tulip acorn
I got the -54% dash distance
fallen violet
you can get 4 defiances, but every time you attack for 4 encounters -4 life
I dont usually take it
tulip acorn
Mine was -54 dash distance
smoky halo
Yea
fallen violet
Thats stupid
atomic rover
the weekly challenges are on break right now, but you can check them out and attempt the previous ones in the #h1-builds-and-combat pins! the role is so you get pinged when the new weekly challenges are up.
@void vigil tnx
tulip acorn
Well, I went to pericles and gave me 4 DD toal
fallen violet
redacted is kinda dependent on run
like some runs I do so good
And dont get hit
because of weapon ect
Then other runs full combo
Die
warm dove
and its not a normal numb skull chamber its 60% jurry summons
brisk trail
was the look of orpheus based off david bowie? 🤔
native sorrel
will meg ever return after unlocking the other sisters as tartarus bosses
tulip acorn
Very true XD. I never realized how fun Curse of Drowning is on Talos XD
I like to have jury on 20% at least rn
supple field
pericles? i think you meant ||patroclus||
warm dove
they will routine @native sorrel
warm dove
force overtime still better than jurry
tulip acorn
Ty it auto corrected
ocean kayak
starting to wonder if i would like a "than is not welcome" button
smoky halo
tbh idk
jurry gets you more money
cuz you get some gold on random kills
thus more kills should = more money
warm dove
but with tigh deadline you will hate it especially in elysium
calm bone
Ok I have decided the hardest boss in the game is ||Charon||
smoky halo
so dont take tight deadline
warm dove
you have to face 5 shield instead of 2
smoky halo
i agree nirtus
tulip acorn
Damn, that was my fastest redacted. Never beat him with fists before either
God I hate those shuelds6
warm dove
tigh deadly is the easy way to get 2 heat like since the 1.0 updte
+9minute after floor
warm dove
better than reset time at floor
tulip acorn
......WOW GAD DAMN. I went from best time of 37:33 to 26:08 with Fists. These things kill hella fast
I'll def look into using Tight Deadline, thanks for the tip!
fallen violet
tight deadline is only an issue when you have other heat modifiers
lost hazel
if u keep playing, tight deadline 7:00 is some free heat assuming ur decently fast
ocean kayak
and they're down!
steep mulch
no
ocean kayak
no
steep mulch
it still provides the rarity bonus, but no longer makes the god automatically appear
ocean kayak
i am at the temple of styx. i am not doing so hot.
tranquil fable
......WOW GAD DAMN. I went from best time of 37:33 to 26:08 with Fists. These things kill hella fast
@tulip acorn
Fists go BRRRRR! my fastest run is 25 something with the fists
They're my favorite weapon
steep mulch
fists are pretty fun. ||Demeter aspect|| is my favorite with it
fringe garnet
has anyone done some fanart of the Supergiant take on the Greek pantheon? Not individual characters, but all together. Like this: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/9a/e7/fd9ae7ccbfb9917fe74cb6e65638fa75.jpg
b/c if so i want to seeeee it
tulip acorn
Good luck friend!
supple field
good luck!
ocean kayak
....
dense reef
Is it intentional that you can re-roll the special offer in the house shop by quitting and going back in?
maiden copper
I don't think that's intentional?
calm bone
how much darkness does sisyphus actually offer? i always pick the gold
dense reef
Hmm I can only switch it between titan blood for 15 keys or darkness for ambrosia
I'm not sure exactly how I'm doing it
ehh it's probably nothing
dense reef
I go for darkness instead of healing with dark regen
calm bone
60 aint bad
viral parcel
Noticed a small bug (if it is one at all) running into the administrative office and activating the "Inspire?" prompt whilst Zagreus is talking results in the Inspire line not going off.
queen frigate
Does the merchant special offer change every run or is there a different trigger? It’s been the same item for five attempts
maiden copper
I'm pretty sure the special offer is supposed to change every run
queen frigate
So it’s just my bad rng at this point
queen frigate
Charm saves the day again
lost seal
does boiling blood stack based on the number of crystal lodge on the enemy?
past mirage
Nope
wind nest
@fringe garnet from jen zee's twitter page. https://twitter.com/artpaiges/status/1308868214336741377?s=20
fringe garnet
ahhh thanks basketball
wind nest
np. It's not everyone and the olmpyians dont have 3d models
sacred sandal
https://i.gyazo.com/8e2bd26d267ea92cd64f55e66f94e1e0.jpg
what are these chambers called? are they just like randomized reward rooms
supple field
that is from a chaos thing that prevents you from seeing room rewards
lean path
yeah from the chaos boon
sour sinew
im sad because i got hades on the epic store but now dont remember which account it was linked to
so im stuck in a world without hades
lean path
F
fading gazelle
mint rose
shoot, the performance reviews on switch are good, I was hoping it would be 30 fps so I wouldn't be tempted to double dip
fading gazelle
All sgg games hundred percent 
mint rose
made pretty good time too
mint rose
always, cash money
unreal vine
WHY TF DOES HADES HAVE TWO PARTS
calm bone
yea they should have gave him three parts
marsh field
Hellboy, use redacted
supple field
its a spoiler
unreal vine
not really a spoiler
supple field
yes it is
marsh field
I mean, write redacted instead
supple field
please spoiler it or change the name to redacted
calm bone
I wish I could save before attempting to fight ||charon||
supple field
some people havent gotten to the final boss yet so please spoiler it
marsh field
It is what it is hellboy
void vigil
hellboy, the final boss is a spoiler in this channel, please spoiler tag your messages accordingly
unreal vine
it isn’t a spoiler though
it has nothing to do with the story how is it a spoiler 🥴
everyone knows you fight him at the end
marsh field
No
supple field
it doesnt matter, just do it
calm bone
I wasnt really suprised that you'd fight him considering ||the game is named after him instead of Zagreaus||
void vigil
can you please spoiler that?
supple field
its not that hard to spoiler tag something jesus
supple field
thats not the point
narrow hemlock
@fading gazelle not even 200hr? what do you think this is volty
fading gazelle
Lmao I don't trust steam counting hours
slate snow
@fringe garnet from jen zee's twitter page. https://twitter.com/artpaiges/status/1308868214336741377?s=20
i've only now realized that everyone in the game is barefoot
which is.... why
steel flicker
Greece
past mirage
Shoes haven't been invented yet, it seems
fading gazelle
Charon could be wearing shoes or sandals
sharp fossil
not zag he has fire for shoes
narrow hemlock
it wasn't uncommon for many greeks to go barefoot most of their lives
void vigil
please keep it clean
patent epoch
Im at cerb right now, do I replenish my death or save for pom upgrade?
sharp fossil
replenish
sharp fossil
it’s 2 levels
fading gazelle
Alma is it not clean?
viral bane
Death defiance is better imo
fading gazelle
We were talking bout feet
sharp fossil
the anvil will randomly grab one of your hammers then give you two random other ones
void vigil
i deleted a message, volty
patent epoch
Oh, hmmmmm
fading gazelle
Oh
viral bane
Anvil is minus one random daedalus upgrade and plus 2 random upgrades
fading gazelle
Apologies
past mirage
The anvil is fun until it ruins your build.
supple field
i got the anvil once and never again
patent epoch
Im so nervous, I never got this far. I have really good AoE but idk about single target
fading gazelle
Everything is fun until it ruins your build
viral bane
Anvil is very yolo
narrow hemlock
Chaos is chuckling in the background
maiden mulch
the expectation is that you'll probably lose the first time fighting him unless you have a really absurd build
sharp fossil
The anvil is fun until it ruins your build.
this is what they said about snap nova
that hammer betrayed me
slate snow
hate to agree but yea
maiden mulch
focus on learning the fight for the next time, not on winning
slate snow
tho you prob get some unique voicelines if you win on ur first try
has anyone checked that actually?
patent epoch
Currently running Festive Fog build lol
sharp fossil
new save wins are a thing
patent epoch
It's got lightning and deals massive aoe
sharp fossil
never done it myself tho
patent epoch
I killed the 3rd floor bosses together
sharp fossil
nice
scintillating feast is my favourite boon in the game
patent epoch
(although lost my Death)
slate snow
i really need to see what theseus says after u beat him on ur first try
viral bane
I actually beat redacted on the run that I got out of Elysium for the first time
I had the flurry attacks hammer upgrade for the sword with artemis attacks and a athena call
sharp fossil
not because it’s good (and it isn’t bad) but because it makes the screen covered in confusing flashing lights and i thrive on chaos
patent epoch
I saw people say Festive Fog is bad but I love it
sharp fossil
nah they straight up wrong
viral bane
Would this be the channel to ask about favour and ambrosia and stuff btw?
void vigil
#h1-story-discussion works better!
slate snow
imo fog is poor man's chill
slate snow
😳 i haven't considered that
wanton goblet
wait... isnt it pronounce de-me-tuh
sharp fossil
Ice Wine duo boon gives it chill and +30% damage
supple field
😮 i got my first chaos fish
supple field
lol no was the first one in the codex
sharp fossil
fair
tight frigate
Yo, how many times to finish the mother-son dialogue xD
sharp fossil
any of them are kinda difficult to get tbh
tight frigate
I love it but its tiring
tight frigate
AhshetxD thanks <3
slate snow
had a lot of fun one-shotting every boss up until the final location with the full gauge artemis call
i've taken a break right before redacted we'll have to see how that goes :)
meager notch
When did 3rd boss get the wave attack?
I;m sure it wasn't there for my past ~20 escapes 🤔
past mirage
It's new with the 1.0 release.
meager notch
I started playing at 1.0 lol
past mirage
Er, then I don't know. Perhaps you have to anger them enough for some new tactics.
misty ruin
a friend was saying Hades stores its animations as mpeg instead of using sprite sheets, is there any truth to that?
sharp fossil
it has several different possible attack routines
and randomly switches between them each run
shell pelican
narrow hemlock
it's a family friendly server
north pier
I noticed the wave for the first time in a run recently after my 6th time fighting him, I think it's just an uncommon attack
manic bobcat
xD
sharp fossil
we so friendly with our family we made friends with Primordial Chaos
narrow hemlock
fox you probably deserved it 🤧
I still don't know what the link cool down is anywhere, I just make sure I wait a few min 
sharp fossil
though shalt not post links
-the 11th commandment, probably
meager notch
idk man, happens way too often since the last ~3 runs for me lol
supple field
i just tied with thanatos :/
manic bobcat
so you won?
supple field
yea i got the health thing
marsh field
Than is a decent sort. a tie is a win!
supple field
i love him so much i think hes going to be added to my favs along with ares and achilles
slate snow
bruh realizing ||you can be gay with thanatos|| was the highlight of my day yesterday
meager notch
Aye Than is cool
Wish he didn't remind me of a certain magnetic rice daddy
past mirage
A what now
supple field
a whom
meager notch
A JoJo reference :)
supple field
ok so something i would never understand got it
manic bobcat
jojo reference on my christian minecraft server?
slate snow
the only magnetic person i could think of is bastet
meager notch
Had to make it as bizarre as possible just to make it look that much more outlandish lol
slate snow
who r u talking about damn!
meager notch
Risotto
slate snow
OH MY GOD
meager notch
Do you see it as well?
Am I not alone?
slate snow
YES
meager notch
YES
supple field
demeter gives me huge maggie smith vibes
slate snow
i wouldn't say he's magnetic per se tho more like metal-manipulating
meager notch
Demeter gives me old racist grandma vibes lmao
Gee, wonder what you'd call something that can pull iron 🤔
slate snow
demeter looks exactly like judi dench hello?
supple field
no maggie smith fite me 😤
slate snow
"Risotto's Stand, Metallica, comprises a mass of minuscule beings residing in his bloodstream, enabling him to manipulate iron through magnetism at a short-range."
hazy torrent
Is there any way to make ||thanatos|| spawn more often or just all pure rng?
supple field
rng
supple field
theyre not bad for me o.o
jade crescent
I was also -50% speed from a chaos boon... that couldve been it lmao
supple field
probably that
winter river
How do I get ||Hades|| keepsake. I've done basically everything I can think of at this point including finishing a run with EM4. Still hasn't let me offer a nectar.
jade crescent
you just gotta progress the story, talk to him every time you get back home
there's a cutscene in ||the garden|| and zag will say something about going there
hazy torrent
Aww I see. Hope I can find him more often D:
granite cove
how do I unlock the last aspect of the sword?
meager notch
4th region giving me Vermintide PTSD
floral shore
how do I unlock the last aspect of the sword?
@granite cove Unlock the last aspect of ||the spear||, then invest five titan blood into the sword, then wait for a dialogue from ||Nyx||
meager notch
Should modding become a thing first thing I'll do is incorporate Skaven voicelines for them
granite cove
@floral shore how do you unlock the last aspect of the spear xD?
floral shore
Unlock five aspects across all weapons, meet the final boss (you don't need to win the fight), then wait for a dialogue from ||Achilles||.
sharp fossil
@granite cove how to unlock all the hidden aspects is in a pinned message in #h1-story-discussion
granite cove
@floral shore ok thank you
past mirage
There should be pinned messages in ALL channels to read the pinned message in #h1-story-discussion
slate snow
is the pierced butterfly actually any good and do you keep the damage buff if you swap ur keepsake mid-run?
floral shore
All last weapon aspects require the spear last aspect being unlocked, five blood invested in the weapon and a certain dialogue prompt from a specific character for each.
molten scarab
Does anybody know the number of unique enemies in the game ?
sharp fossil
is the pierced butterfly actually any good and do you keep the damage buff if you swap ur keepsake mid-run?
@slate snow no you don’t keep the buff
analog elbow
Check the codex @molten scarab
molten scarab
thanks
sharp fossil
honestly, the butterfly is fun
most people who run it do it for the fun
if you want power there’re generally better choices
same with the plume tbh
smoky wharf
Not sure if this is a spoiler or not but ||what does the gate of erebus do? and does it appear in the underworld||
brisk trail
hmm.
sharp fossil
puts you in a challenge room
smoky wharf
Ah nice
past mirage
The entry requirement increases from region to region. You need 5 heat to enter from Tartarus, 10 from Asphodel and 15 from Elysium.
sharp fossil
if you beat it hitless, you get an improved reward, but if you take damage you get no reward a delicious onion
smoky wharf
oh so they require heat to do... oof i shoulda asked the question b4 i got it then
lofty dragon
I wish the modding scene had a bit more creativity, all there is right now is cheat mods
sharp fossil
i want a mod that just gives me all the damage numbers so bad
sharp fossil
nice
maiden schooner
Anybody know the chance of getting a duo/legendary after applying the +10% from talents
slate snow
duos appear if you meet specific requirements for them
wise sparrow
i would like logan cunningham to autograph my face
slate snow
or are they not guaranteed?
sharp fossil
well, they don’t appear for certain
slate snow
oh ok my bad
sharp fossil
i dunno what the exact chances are tho
i would like logan cunningham to autograph my face
@wise sparrow same tbh
brittle zealot
welp, Fated list gave me 30 keys, but I unlocked all the weapons and mirror bonus
and I'm satisfied with my build so
Broker, give me all of the nectar
patent epoch
Omg 2nd stage is so HARD with the shield wtf
queen frigate
@brittle zealot keep 15 in case of Titan blood special!
patent epoch
I do no damage and the range is so small
queen frigate
Congrats
supple field
grats anyways
queen frigate
At least ||your build doesn’t matter for the last run||
calm bone
beating the final boss without any kind of healing is so hard
spice wolf
So im new to the game, literally got it today and the furthest i have gotten is elysium, i have this diamond thing and titans blood? what do i do with them lmao
hollow igloo
Is the wretched broker achievement broken? (i'm on EGS)
nm, had to exit room, I guess to save
ripe lantern
elder dagger
What do you get as reward by pact of punishments?
real elm
any way to get ||is in the blood song singing?|| i only have the instromantal one.
brisk trail
How do you unlock the 4th weapon aspects? i have 8 completed runs and unlocked multiple aspects on other weapons including beating and losing to Hades ||with the 'Aspect of Hades' on the Spear.|| Any help would be appreciated!
potent carbon
@elder dagger you reset the boss rewards so you can farm titan blood/diamond/ambrosia
instead of getting darkness from boss
grim turret
Which reroll option in the mirror is better for forcing a specific run
brisk trail
@grim turret i prefer the room reroll not the boons
grim turret
Hmm ok ok
jade crescent
is it just me or is extreme measures Theseus easier than normal Theseus?
jade crescent
I don't have to worry about the aimbot spear while I'm wailing on the bull
bitter valve
Although im not sure if he gets olympian buffs in the normal fight
jade crescent
he does
bitter valve
I haven't seen the normal fight in a while and that was a fairly recent change
jade crescent
BUT that normally activates at 50%, in EM3 you get it around 30%
bitter valve
I am talking about the special attack effects he gets
like athena makes him invuln for a bit
brisk trail
How do i unlock the 4th Aspects ?
jade crescent
normal fight he has spear throw, spear return, spear spin, and olymians buffs at 50%
in EM3, he has the chariot with ||machine guns and bombs|| until 30%, then he acts the same way as normal under 50
bitter valve
Maybe you haven't noticed what he does differently yet
jade crescent
I'm 100% certain that's it
bitter valve
He has different effects under the effects of different olympians during his post-chariot phase
jade crescent
I just recently started doing EM3, I promise default fight still has olympian boons
bitter valve
Again I am not talking about the call he does 😛
jade crescent
you're saying EM3 olympian bonus does even more?
brisk trail
Why is zag british
bitter valve
I am saying I don't know if it is specific to EM
brisk trail
I hate british "people"
jade crescent
"people"
bitter valve
But the short story is that theseus has different effects under the blessing of different gods
and I only remember what athena does
brisk trail
Pls release the patch that makes zag not british
narrow hemlock
are you trolling, I genuinely can't tell
terse geyser
what's wrong with british characters?
brisk trail
are you trolling, I genuinely can't tell
@narrow hemlock its a meme
jade crescent
zag learned english from hades right (I remember a quote along these lines)? hades doesn't have an english accent does he?
terse geyser
I say mate and lad
narrow hemlock
I say those and I'm not brit
teal compass
i have one idea/opinion: i wish the game had a "save run and exit to main menu" like dead cells has so you can drop it whenever (or at least a finished room) and pick back up where you leave off later
valid lynx
There was a voice line between him and dusa explaining why I think
lucid glade
I just got to 500 max hp which is, wild
brisk trail
Nice
jade crescent
what the how
terse geyser
@teal compass if you clear a room the game autosaves and you can exit to the main menu
jade crescent
cerberus keepsake, 4th sword, just a ton of hearts?
terse geyser
which is funny
lucid glade
Yeah
brisk trail
@teal compass if you clear a room the game autosaves and you can exit to the main menu
@terse geyser WHAT
lucid glade
And also a dionysus boon that has nectar boost max hp
teal compass
last time i tried it i ended up back in the house
fair dove
@terse geyser help
teal compass
but that was prior to 1.0
fair dove
How do I play sword
north pier
the game tells you how recently it saved
fair dove
I need it for prophecy I just can’t make this weapon work
north pier
@fair dove have you tried not getting hit
jade crescent
just spam spacebar and basic attack
north pier
yeah the dash attack is great
fair dove
Jesus can u shut up about that
brisk trail
What if they're on switch
north pier
also you have to exploit backstabs
fair dove
I am dashing a lot
jade crescent
also if you slam, you can dash before it hits and bring the AOE with you
bitter valve
Ok I knew I wasn't crazy
fair dove
The dash strike is so weird
brisk trail
I dont like dashing
bitter valve
@jade crescent ||https://prnt.sc/unbhlt it was changed on release patch||
fair dove
I can’t play this weapon mannnn
jade crescent
oh, that's EM3 specific?
north pier
if you don't dash you're gonna have a rough time
bitter valve
The patch notes say it isn't
jade crescent
alright that' what I was saying
supple pagoda
does hades have an alternitive ending?(no spoiler)
foggy snow
brisk trail
The main weapons i use are the spear and the gun
bitter valve
No you weren't even acknowledging it ಠ_ಠ
jade crescent
whenever I play a heavily melee oriented playstyle, (aka mostly sword) you just spam dash and attack as much as possible and hope to outlive the boss
brisk trail
I hate the hydra battle
jade crescent
I was saying that theseus in second phase is the exact same in normal and EM3 
north pier
you can get away with that, but it's really for the best to know when you ought to dash rather than spam
brisk trail
I never got past the 3rd world lol
jade crescent
for sure, a lot moreso with ranged weapons
also it doesnt work with fists 😦
there's 1 hidden
there's 1 main character you're forgetting 😉
bitter valve
Now that you mention it
I don't have that achievement either
so there really might be something wrong
cinder flare
What gods/boons synergize the best with the spear?
narrow hemlock
silly question, but you're sure you got all the keepsakes?
jade crescent
did yall get the keepsake from ||hades||?
bitter valve
Yeah
supple field
i like the 3 pronged attack from daedalus hammer, along with dio's hangover attack @cinder flare
jade crescent
you don't need to go that far, I've got all keepsakes but not the epilogue achievement
narrow hemlock
you can get ||the final keepsake after seeing the credits||
past pulsar
How do you unlock the eternal spear aspect of ???
I've completed the game of 0 heat with every weapon
cinder flare
Unlock 5 aspects
spiral sandal
Can i ask for tips here? 😅 ||Elysium|| is kicking my ass. I can barely make out alive from the last boss so i cant progress much from the next level either. Its like i cant stop taking damage... more i move more i step in damage it feels like
past pulsar
Still unlocked on aspects..
cinder flare
And then Achilles with talk to you
jade crescent
if you want the easiest time surviving, the shield is super strong
past pulsar
I've also talked to hades after every game and given him nectars
jade crescent
if you hold it, flamewheels just suicide without doing damage, and you can see how enemies attack easier
cinder flare
5 other aspects is what did it for me
thick ledge
@fair dove sword is a has a 3 hit combo, where you're slowed at the end of the thrust, if you can animation cancel the last thrust with a dash
sometimes in elysium, esp vs armored units you should only use the first 2
and then dash away
past pulsar
Ah so put 5 into another weapon?
quasi ferry
Lernie Vanquished
cinder flare
Unlock 5 different aspects
thick ledge
dont thurst vs armor because they can hit you during the lag of the thrust
bitter valve
No
north pier
if you get a boon that enables that
thick ledge
and then just stay mindful to enemy animations, sometimes playing keepaway so that you're not being surrounded esp in elysium is important
north pier
then yeah
quasi ferry
Good to know
raven silo
I only now realised I can dash out of the spin attack on the spear, makes it better than it used to be
( I don't like the spin attack much normally, I find it leaves me a sitting duck)
quasi ferry
Is this the same with hangover? Is it just taking the highest dmg application per second?
dusky wagon
What's the consensus about the strongest weapon? Spear feels so much above the rest to me.
quasi ferry
Ive never had better runs than with adamant rail
north pier
vanilla spin attack is fine for clearing waves before they spawn in
quasi ferry
Rocket dmg gets ridic
raven silo
Strongest in terms of sheer damage? I'd say that fourth aspect sword has ridiculous damage
north pier
but yeah until you upgrade it it's pretty risky and not worth the trouble
fluid creek
This game is freaking amazing. Every moment I'm playing it feels precious. Like I'm painfully aware how rare it is to find a game this amazing
raven silo
I was dealing 600+ damage with it before the end of the first area, I think
bitter valve
In a game where you can deeply customize the difficulty to your fitting, people are bound to have varying opinions about what the strongest weapon is 😛
raven silo
but my favourite weapon is probably the magnet gloves, it's just fun to pull people in (especially w/ posiedon special)
bitter valve
Unless you get very specific, all weapons have their place
jade crescent
my strongest is certainly 4th aspect shield
quasi ferry
Coronacht can be super fun
bitter valve
Even depending on your control scheme
quasi ferry
Love having extra special arrows and getting in close
jade crescent
you get the blocking of a shield, but with an upgraded cast that aspect does mad damage
raven silo
Coronacht is weird for me, I really don't like using it because I can't instant fire it
my main playstyle is just spam attacks/specials, coronacht doesn't work super well with that
jade crescent
wot 👀
north pier
coronacht is more of a kite weapon, gotta plan ahead
raven silo
hammer upgrade instant casts the full charge (not timed bonus)
quasi ferry
Def better imo
raven silo
so 60 damage hits
quasi ferry
Does anyone know how hangover works? No stacking from multiple sources right? Same as doom?
north pier
stacks up to five
supple field
hangover stacks up to 5 times
raven silo
hangover stacks up to 5 times, but I'm not sure which damage takes priority
or if it adds each instantce of damage together
quasi ferry
Yeah I wonder if its just most recent applications or best dmg
north pier
it adds then delivers every half second iirc
quasi ferry
Yeah sry I meant if you have it on diff boons
raven silo
is it bad that I never realised that you can charge the spear twice until now
north pier
ah yeah it should just add to a running tally of "hangover damage"
raven silo
probably also influenced me not enjoying the spin attack IT hink
quasi ferry
10 from cast, 8 from attack etc
raven silo
dio cast doesn't inflict hangover
quasi ferry
Yeah I never spin with lance
Excited to try the aspect which I assume will be like charons conal attack?
raven silo
max spin lance deals like 200 damage tho which is nice
jade crescent
spin with hades or 4th lance 👀
raven silo
it actually has some nice range if you dash out of it
brisk trail
the shield weapon gave me my first hydra kill and now I got a coronacht build with hammer + Zeus that melts faces
raven silo
hammer? do you mean daedalus hammer? if so, what modifier
brisk trail
I don't remember at all it was something that made the charge slower tho
raven silo
explosive shot
brisk trail
My first hydra kill was gun + hangover
simple zephyr
does anyone have any recommendations for just starting to get into low level heat? There are so many, I'm having trouble evaluating them
raven silo
I'm not super far, but I like jury duty for low level
I've heard that on its own the time limmit one is good too
supple field
i like the one where traps do extra damage
brisk trail
I dont use traps that much tbh
brisk trail
I just spam gun special
simple zephyr
yeah ive done 3 heat highest so far and ive used time limit 1, extreme measures 1, hard labor 1, jury summons 1, and forced overtime 1 in various combinations.
oh @flat vapor thanks!
this is perfect, a good overview for getting started
north pier
Is there a similar list for hell mode?
mellow bridge
Oh god i was so wrong to take the dash strike buff when using sword, i forgot how impossible it is to land. anyone else? is it just with keyboard it's impossible?
i swear even when the model for the sword is solidly in the enemy it doesn't land sometimes
jade crescent
why is CP in D tier? it's one of the easiest guys
clear valve
guys, Friends Forever achiev i have to maximize every single keepsake?
thick ledge
if you hjave it jovi it was bugged on release
but yea
you have to make every standard keepsake max
also just beat a heat 10 run!
no actual modifiers
just all 4 extreme measures on
and man that last one
caught me so off guard
jade crescent
I'm scared for EM4 unsure what to expect
thick ledge
EM4 is super fun
i did a few runs with it off and ngl that fights so much easiedr without it n ow
jade crescent
I am still excited because I love boss mechanics
thick ledge
but i died like 3 times with it on first
when redacted ||summons cerberus|| i was legit just screaming AHHHH
jade crescent
👀 
jade crescent
too late lol
jade crescent
I don't care much for spoilers
calm bone
the passive healing duo is the only guarantee way to beat the final boss
calm bone
you gotta noob it up hard to die with the healing duo
thick ledge
is just pracitcing the fight a lot
wind nest
on EM4 the boss attacks fast enough and is accurate enough that the passive healing won't save you
calm bone
like just evade for 60 seconds and you'll be fully healed if you get it
thick ledge
where you heal 2 every hit
and died to him
honestly
only time it didnt feel op
for me
jade crescent
running away is lame 
calm bone
evading is key for range weapons
thick ledge
if i get it tho i imagine you could just evade for a while
yea bow for sure you'd have tpo
jade crescent
sure, but going a whole minute purely to dodge
thick ledge
when you have the heat that makes enemies faster
calm bone
well of course not ltierally doing nothing but dodging for a minute
thick ledge
does it make bosses faster too?
cause it increases all enemies attack speed and move speed
do bosses count for that?
jade crescent
I'm pretty sure it is
narrow hemlock
em4 took like 3 years off my life purely in the stress i felt with Everything Happened At Once, not that it wasnt fun lmao but. man. sure is a Lot going on
thick ledge
EM4 is my favourite modifier though so far
it changed so much of the fight, in really really positive ways for me
esp cause i can beat base redacted every time now, even with some pretty bad builds
narrow hemlock
its not something i would keep on my runs, just something i revisit every now and again
calm bone
I think if you get the 40% movement speed you need to be good more on point blank dodges instead of evading attacks
during dodges there's a few milliseconds of invulnerability
facetank and dodge point blank attacks
torn mist
seagul is playing his first playthough https://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull
supple field
hazy hatch
alright lads, EM4 is active for the first time and I'm trying new fists out, also for the first time. This is the run that makes or breaks the 50 win streak and 100% achievements.
quaint wind
good luck!
hazy hatch
rending claws first room, we off to a good start
median sluice
woo. first clear. real cheesy build. bow+the boon where you regen health when youre out of self res
i just ran
queen frigate
First hell mode clear. Somehow with the bow, my worst weapon.
Took 8 attempts without death defiance
dusky wagon
The item I get from the 3rd boss - is it used for anything? I can trade it for titan blood in the shop right now.
sturdy pier
I’m pretty new, 2nd escape attempt cleared Tartarus, took until my 10th attempt just now to clear the next stage.
My excuse is that I haven’t played a game on PC or even used my PC for almost a year
queen frigate
@dusky wagon it is used for high level friendships
You will need quite a few of them, so I wouldn’t trade it.
@sturdy pier it will get easier with time. Each time you face the enemies it will get easier.
dusky wagon
Ok. High level means until I talked with them enough? What do I get out of it when I give it? Another accessory?
queen frigate
From some of them you get ||a companion|| @dusky wagon
sturdy pier
Yea I’m loving the game, always just crazy watching people beat the game in their first few attempts 
north pier
some people are just quick with this style of game
queen frigate
@sturdy pier everyone is different. It took me 12 attempts on normal mode, but I have a lot of roguelike experience. It’s not uncommon to take 50 attempts.
Not to mention hundreds of hours on Diablo and Path of Exile
sturdy pier
Yea I’ve literally never played a game even close to this before
north pier
practice is its own reward, only measure progress against yourself
sturdy pier
I’m still loving it, I’m in no rush and I don’t have a lot of free time so it’s a good game to just do a couple attempts when I have an hour free
queen frigate
Glad to hear it.
hazy hatch
@sturdy pier my first clear was attempt #60
now I'm running 16 heat for a 50-game win streak
sturdy pier
north pier
me I realized I didn't start the game with hell mode, got close after 19 attempts then started a new save with hell mode
cleared at attempt like 30
queen frigate
Yeah, hell mode is a much more brutal start.
sturdy pier
Alright I still have hope then 
north pier
for sure, basically makes you relearn the mechanics
like you absolutely have to dodge intelligently
queen frigate
Just finished my first clear at attempt 8. Only clear that got past Elysium.
dusky wagon
Are those accessory that guarantee a specific boon worth it? I took Artemis but I have yet to see it. How does it work?
gusty slate
They're nice for catering builds
north pier
When the game can generate a boon, it will prioritize generating that accessory's boon
gusty slate
It guarantees that the next boon (Hermes beats it) will be from that God. This can only be used once per run, which is used up after accepting that boon
north pier
so maybe you want a good artemis start
queen frigate
It will guarantee that noon instead of any others. It could be at the start or on chambers. If you skip the boon, it will come back.
north pier
i don't think it generates at the start, just the next one
dusky wagon
So maybe due to progress Artemis didn't show up in the first room?
queen frigate
It definitely generates at the start. Or a hammer.
gusty slate
If a boon is given at the start it will be
queen frigate
If I run Athena keepsake, I will see her boon or a hammer in the starting room.
fleet zephyr
Does the hydra death "splatter" look kinda crusty for anyone else
dusky wagon
Yeah I guess unlocking the frost Boon was the reason. Just found artemis a few rooms later.
Imo the crit is the best thing for attack. Now I got flurry and crit on spear. Oh boy.
queen frigate
Ah, yes. Certain events will change the starting boon.
Demeter and the fishing boon.
flat vapor
scripted events of course will be exempt
worthy egret
Do you think Zag ever accidentally called Hades 'fatherlord' like Zuko
hazy hatch
alright, this is for all the marbles
time to see what all the EM4 hades fuss is about
wish me luck
reef pasture
are there higher resolutions of the zagreus steam emotes (like 
and 
)
maiden copper
Rip
supple field
F
autumn hornet
I have a question about the ||Orpheus|| sidequest. Now I ||had the contract dialog with Nyx, and had Orpheus up to max hearts, do I need to get Eruydice up to max hearts too? There’s nothing in the chamber||
opaque nexus
ok how do I get fist aspect I've beaten stage 3 like 3 timesw
autumn hornet
@opaque nexus ||jnvest 5 titan blood into it, talk to the bull||
supple field
check pins in #h1-story-discussion for aspect info
opaque nexus
||only him on his own?||
supple field
@autumn hornet ||for eurydice, i maxed out her hearts just for funsies and got the quest for it, so idk||
yes you need to fight him as a miniboss
hazy hatch
you have to wear the fists when you fight the bull to unlock the dialogue to unlock the dialogue to unlock the aspect
opaque nexus
ohhh
hazy hatch
that's not a typo
supple field
i was using stygius when the dialogue triggered o.o
opaque nexus
wut
analog elbow
Check the pinned messages in the spoilers channel to see how to unlock any hidden aspect
hazy hatch
you can get the dialogue that unlocks the aspect with any weapon, but you need to wear the fists to unlock a dialogue that unlocks that dialogue
autumn hornet
@supple field I’ll just assume it’s that and I need to || max out her hearts||
It might be a dialog requirement that I’m missing elsewhere too
supple field
do both haha
how come when i dont have butterfly equipped i can do 0 damage room clears 
jade crescent
gotta love when your aphrodite call hits a flaming skull on the final boss >_>
supple field
my artemis call did that once and then i died bc of it :C
serene yarrow
Without spoiling anything specific, have they added any additional key / gemstone / darkness sink for after you max out all the cosmetics / mirror / unlock everything?
jade crescent
I don't know when you last played, but there are borders for the victory screen, and there's a title system
serene yarrow
I last played in the Blood price update and I'm working on a new save file on Switch now.
reef pasture
@serene yarrow yes, they have. i have a guide about the new end-game cosmetic/vanity items up on Steam if you are curious to learn more, though there obviously are spoilers (spoiler-tagged appropriately though)
dusky wagon
What purpose have 2 health bar bosses in video games? I dont understand the design. Why not have a single HP bar with 2 phases? Always feels like you get cheated in particular the first time. The second phase - of what I presume the end boss to be - doesn't even play differently. He gets 2 more attacks, that's it.
jade crescent
it's for the surprise
analog elbow
It subverts expectations when you first battle them.
I assume you died then lol
You seem upset
dusky wagon
I never thought "wow that's cool that he has a second phase" apart from that one boss in Sekiro. I always feel super, super annoyed by that. Why do I min-max resources only to have the goal posts moved.
jade crescent
I remember when I first faced him, I was like "why is this so easy", killed him... then yikes
fair dove
That’s what they want u to feel
dusky wagon
Another poor design imo. That goes for any game that has that bs, tho.
analog elbow
So it works like that
fair dove
I can see how u don’t like it
analog elbow
Lol ok
jade crescent
it makes sense based on our ability to do it
supple field
move this conversation to spoilers pls
jade crescent
about 25-30
manic bobcat
I clock in at a meager 270 hours
brisk trail
hades>devil may cry 5
analog elbow
500+
manic bobcat
Dayum
supple field
i got the game a week ago and im at 84
jade crescent
12 hours a day...?
jade crescent
on a weekend sure
supple field
sorta? i spent time doing homework and other stuff as well
flat vapor
ok mr 270 😛
dusky wagon
What's the best boss-fighting keepsake? Evergreen Acorn or Lucky Tooth?
flat vapor
acorn
jade crescent
acorn
supple field
broken spearpoint
flat vapor
more effective hp than tooth
narrow hemlock
@flat vapor https://gyazo.com/20b564073c0b5befc6ac9759713bd6c5 hi
manic bobcat
Acorn
jade crescent
tooth is kinda bad tbh
flat vapor
mmm, very much hours
supple field
i like broken spearpoint cause it lasts the entire battle
plus it works for things besides bosses
narrow hemlock
i would be playing rn but. amir is streaming and i only have so much attention span to spare LOL
manic bobcat
Wait he is?
dusky wagon
Well before getting death defiance, I thought it was great, but now that I have 2 and just unlocking acorn, I thought so.
manic bobcat
On twitch or?
flat vapor
can you post a link 👀
dusky wagon
I dont think I have spear yet
narrow hemlock
hes doing a dev broadcast on steam rn
jade crescent
I used to main spear, but acorn is a ton better on theseus and redacted
manic bobcat
Watching him choke at 3rd boss and styx is my fav experience
dusky wagon
How about Myrmidon Bracer? 30% damage absorb sounds decent overall.
narrow hemlock
his last run he went into champions with his death defiances all gone, we know how that went lol
raven silo
keepsake
jade crescent
eh, dont you take bonus from the back?
meager notch
How often will you be getting hit from the back tho
manic bobcat
Too often
meager notch
bruh
flat vapor
very often
dusky wagon
10%, but I don't really know how often I get hit from behind
narrow hemlock
https://steamcommunity.com/broadcast/watch/76561198042043302 heres the stream
worn radish
Unless you athena dash meme face
flat vapor
aw, it's sweet that amir calls obols by their proper name 
dusky wagon
What's the best initial keepsake? Coin Purse and then swap? What do people generally use? I currently level Feather Duster, which seems rather decent 5% at lvl 2.
flat vapor
i go god/god/acorn/spearpoint
flat vapor
feather duster did get buffed, huh
maybe i should actually use some other keepsakes lol
worn radish
Pretty much the same. I find first two levels don't matter as much but I am a scrub I only have 9 heat run max
manic bobcat
I will consider spear point on Hell mode
jade crescent
lmao what's the purpose of hermes asking if you want to keep talking
manic bobcat
So he can talk less?
jade crescent
but why
flat vapor
i think it's a great insight into his past and his character
narrow hemlock
@flat vapor its nice to see amir steps into spike traps just like anyone else does
flat vapor
i don't actually tell him to stop talking, but the fact that he asked in the first place tells me something interesting
manic bobcat
Amir looks at chat too rarely