Hades is definitely one of my favorite rougelikes, but my opinion is extremely biased because I just love Supergiant games
#h1-discussion
fading gazelle
final lagoon
Well you love em for a reason right?
compact pine
This is my first game from SuperGiant, pretty damn good first impressions
sterile frigate
ive got another hades question, but it's involving the soundtrack. i wanted to get all the different versions of good riddance and i can't find a download of good riddance orpheus solo. it's not on itunes or bandcamp. anyone know where i can purchase it?
granite ether
There is in game
minor crystal
||Orpheus does sing it in game||
manic bobcat
Ty!
sterile frigate
its on youtube, and there is a non downloadable/unpurchase-able verson on bandcamp.
fading gazelle
Nope
Since the way hades creates seeds differs by each room rather then run
I think it'd be complicated
muted valley
was confused since on speedrun./com there are two options for any heat, seeded or unseeded
fading gazelle
I assume that is via routing
muted valley
hmm
fringe garnet
IIRC there are mods that let you change rules on the fly
Consider seeded like TAS - a theoretically base-possible outcome
limpid glacier
thanks
manic bobcat
I think seed vs unseed really means route vs unrouted.
muted valley
hmm thenks
limpid glacier
I'm kinda at the point where the first two biomes are kinda like easy-boring and the third biome is reasonable difficulty but i still can't beat the final boss so I'm just kinda... mindlessly smashing buttons for half of a run
minor crystal
Yeah I know that feeling
fading gazelle
Elysium is always a vibe check
limpid glacier
Can't wait to unlock heat
fading gazelle
No matter the heat
minor crystal
You got this
compact pine
I was pretty pleasantly surprised with how difficult the final boss is, bit too used to playing Izaac and destroying mom
Also love how there never seems to be a stage where your too op
manic bobcat
I recommend heat ||Extreme Measures|| for a 5 gum experience.
fading gazelle
Stimulate your senses
muted valley
lol
limpid glacier
I'm normally not a fan of mirror-like mechanics in roguelikes but I think heat balances it out
fading gazelle
Yeah, since there is a literal pact that just removes the mirror
limpid glacier
ha, yeah
fading gazelle
Routine inspection has me crying 😔
minor crystal
Does it also remove keepsakes and stuff?
fading gazelle
Thankfully no
manic bobcat
No
fading gazelle
I'd throw hands if it did
manic bobcat
RI4 is arguably the hardest 12 heat you can do.
fading gazelle
Slap on stygius and its almost a fresh-file run but with extra steps
manic bobcat
True, although you get dash distance attack speed
God I will miss the broken mess that was old Zag Sword xD
fading gazelle
Haha, sword go brr
manic bobcat
Not that I ever use it
manic bobcat
I used it ||to kill Skelly||.
limpid glacier
is there a way to report bugs from the switch version?
because ||than|| is invisible rn
manic bobcat
He's shy today huh
granite ether
Through either the contact us page on their website or #h1-tech-support
limpid glacier
I'm progressing too fast on my switch file for the dialogue to keep up >.>
"i heard you beat the bone hydra" you don't say
fading gazelle
Lmao I had Poseidon say "I heard you made it to Asphodel last time" after my 50th escape and I'm just like bruh
limpid glacier
YEAH
manic bobcat
Technically corect though
It's like saying I used to suck at this game. I mean I still do, but I used to, too.
limpid glacier
does last stand give you a death defiance if you haven't used one yet?
fading gazelle
No sadly 😔
limpid glacier
lame
manic bobcat
Replenish. Can't replenish if you don't lose none.
limpid glacier
yeah that's why i asked
manic bobcat
I was being facetious also :D
split swift
Ngl I do miss the old t-pose animation for the sword
viral rover
Hit special to assert dominance over the wretched shades
boreal pawn
remote lily
frail forum
hazy ivy
Wait really?
steep mulch
quite a few characters share voice actors
hazy ivy
Huh, I’d wondered about that especially with Zeus Poseidon and Hades
valid citrus
Well Brothers, right?
hazy ivy
Guess that makes sense
hearty dock
Zeus and Chaos are voiced by the same actor, but he didn’t do Poseidon and Hades’ voices
tired mirage
does giving nectar to hades still do nothing?
mellow summit
hello, can someone explain the Decorative Themes from the house contractor to me? i dont see where they come into effect O_O
agile crypt
MacBook pro...Why does i see only very low resolution options? Like 1200x800? In bootcamp i used to see also 3k x 2800 (something like that....)
viral rover
Skelly and Zag are both voiced by Darren, and have conversations with each other
fading gazelle
Yo I'm so not used to seeing so many white names in this server 
So many new people
I'm so happy
marsh jackal
How come the final aspects for the weapons are almost always one of the best aspects except for bow?
fading gazelle
I mean that's debatable
fading gazelle
4th aspect names are spoilers here?
marsh jackal
Did they make changes to it?
tawny light
Only....L aspect IIRC
novel wasp
||Rama|| makes me cry
marsh jackal
I haven’t tested since it’s release
tawny light
And probably thr nee fist
steel flicker
My most successful runs have been with rama recently
marsh jackal
I wouldn’t call it outright bad but it’s power level is on par with the other bow aspects
tawny light
Yeah, the thing about 4th bow aspect is that ability triggers on the enemies that have it, including the one you shot
So if you hit a single enemily with the special and then shoot them, you do attack damage +70% from shared pain
marsh jackal
If you go to other weapons like spear and try to have as successful of a run on final aspect as the others (at high heat) would be noticeably more difficult
steel flicker
Just shoot special at one enemy, but use attack against somebody who's in the opposite corner of the room. ||Rama|| has a unique ability to damage dangerous enemies without risking coming close to them
tawny light
When you say high heat, whats your ballpark figure of it?
tawny light
I meant for Ex
marsh jackal
At least over 30
tawny light
There was a poster who ran Rama at high heat and swore by it.
One way to approach Rama is to think of it like a melee weapon
Hit them with special, dash up and shoot
Get some good famage started early
marsh jackal
How close would you say it’s damage potential is to basic bow?
mellow summit
hello, can someone explain the Decorative Themes from the house contractor to me? i dont see where they come into effect O_O
@mellow summit
i would still love to know this 😅
gleaming crane
UI changes during runs.
tawny light
@marsh jackal I wouldnt know how to answer that question. Check out the higj heat channel. People there will give you better insight.
fading gazelle
@mellow summit It changes up the UI for your runs and thus the victory screen as well
oblique socket
man, it's weird having to play through on a new save file. got to the third zone on my second run this time, but by that point i was just way too weak to have a chance since i had basically no base upgrades
brisk trail
|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/756949101442105443/757525963063164958/unknown.png ||
Crashing on the final battle FeelsBadMan
coral jewel
I feel ur pain
brisk trail
The run or?
fading gazelle
The run
brisk trail
· Sort by 'Date modified' to locate your most recent save matching one of these names (assuming you use Save Slot 1): Profile1_Temp.sav, Profile1_Temp.sav.bak, or Profile1.sav.bak
· Rename that file to Profile1.sav
Which file should I rename
tacit bronze
Does the butterfly have a limit ?
brisk trail
@fading gazelle
fading gazelle
Do you have multiple?
brisk trail
fading gazelle
The most recent one so Profile1.sav.bak
Also we should continue this #h1-tech-support
spare harbor
How is it you do the spoiler thing? Not sure of something happening to me in my game towards the end is a bug and I'm currently on mobile and can't find the pinned discord commands.
fading mortar
Put your words between the characters in the following parenthesis:
" || "
Right in between those two slashes.
Wait
I stand corrected.
You need two sets of the symbol
Im bad at explaining
spare harbor
Cool, gonna test ||test||
OK, so end game spoilers ||I'm at the point where the queen is back and you can give hades nectar. However, hades is currently stuck at three hearts. There's no lock on the next heart, I have nectar in my possession always, but never seen to be able to give him this. Do I just maybe need to progress the other characters more? This is a fresh save on the switch version. ||
unkempt flax
I don't know who implemented this feature, but thank you @cloud arch, @stoic surge, @main magnet... for letting the game pause automatically when your controller disconnects :D
That must be new for 1.0 and has saved my butt a few times already
dusk mantle
Heh. Whenever Rama is mentioned, I think of Rama U80-A. 😔
spare harbor
Nevermind me, a full game restart fixed it.
astral moat
I have to say EM4 is so brutal. I was like "how bad can it be... Where did my health go" Definitely a true stepup, it was amazing
twilit isle
||Man I got to hades but I cant beat him prolly coulda with an extra life but dang||
@coral jewel
Uhhh spoiler?
coral jewel
Is it tho?
native orbit
I wonder, if you played all the voice lines in this game, one after another, what the runtime would end up being. I'm blown away by the sheer amount of content in this game, how little things repeat after so many runs.
plush raptor
15 hours into 1.0 now, game still won't give me the final encounter to unlock the hidden fist aspect. I don't know who thought this was a good idea.
native orbit
I'm personally a fan of delayed gratification.
granite ether
Yes @coral jewel final boss is a spoiler in this channel
carmine ravine
have u got the fight me barehanded dialogue? @plush raptor
granite ether
@twilit isle please spoiler tag the quoted line. Ty ^_^
plush raptor
Yes, I already got that.
But I'm just not getting the encounter anymore. Just the other one. For hours. And hours. And hours.
fading gazelle
It's just rng, it took me a while too get it as well
just got it on the last run T_T
plush raptor
And I'm saying it was a bad decision to lock this behind an encounter that just might not happen for 10 or 15 or 20 runs.
At least skew the odds while the unlock hinges on it.
plush raptor
Also, there's a special place in Asphodel for people who think typing "it's just rng" is in any way helpful or clever.
granite ether
Welcome to rogue-likes and rogue-lites as a genre
Where like it or not, RNG is a thing
Though RNG manips are possible, I don't undersrand how they work nor am I gonna pretend I do
shy pasture
Anyone have tips for doing a successful run with the fist weapons? I'm mainly used to the bow and rail so fighting up close is something I'm not used to.
astral moat
Try to keep on the move, dash through opponents to target their backs. Personally Talos Aspect is my preferred for the ability to pull enemies targets to make up for the lack of range
shy pasture
Oops. I'll post over there then.
astral moat
Also, Athena Attack is arguably broken
steep bolt
sweet fable
Hi, been watching this game on Twitch maaaaaan its cool!
granite ether
Welcome on in Elena 
sweet fable
Thanks!!😋
unborn haven
Hi. Anyone has the latest boon relationship infographic?
There are specific gods one but there is no overall view
topaz tangle
Where do I use titan blood at? New to this game haha
spare ridge
you can unlock weapon aspects that change how weapons are used in a little bit
won’t take too long really
topaz tangle
Ahh and do I have to unlock that in some way??
spare ridge
nope, you just have to do like a couple more runs iirc
then they’ll give you the ability to mess with aspects
topaz tangle
Gotcha thanks
spare ridge
np man
worn cave
Who are the romance options in the game
void vigil
||megaera, thanatos and dusa||
spare ridge
if i were to guess these would be the ones
idle cloak
Just picked up the game over the weekend, didn't play in early access. Gotta say this is one of the most amazing games I've played in years. Everyone at Supergiant should be super proud of what they've done here!
worn cave
I know, right? I'm not usually a fan of these games, but this is amazing
terse valve
played all sunday
idle cloak
So did I!
prisma sigil
i bought it as soon as it launched on steam. really good game.
spare ridge
i heard about it from sin
terse valve
i actually bought it after getting bored from mario 3d collection
worn cave
Nintendo made a good deal with the limited exclusivity on this game
When I first saw the trailer, I wasn't impressed, but it just grew on me
prisma sigil
Hades caught my eye since it was announced at E3 2018. that art style...
worn cave
Art style and voice acting is top notch
idle cloak
Definitely
prisma sigil
yup, voice acting is so good too
hidden drum
So, with the Switch version. Has anyone else noticed this weird graphical quirk in docked mode where it looks like the resolution is constantly shifting up/down?
It's especially noticeable when characters are speaking. You'll see the text and everything else on the screen toggling between being soft and sharp every second.
brisk trail
Not on switch but I swear zagreus’s resolution is soft at times but the rest of the game is sharp
idle cloak
No it's all good on my Switch. Only thing I've noticed is a bit of slowdown when there's a lot going on, but I guess that's to be expected.
hidden drum
All of the character sprites look soft compared to the environment @brisk trail
brisk trail
do they? kinda bugs me
hidden drum
Must be the way their pre-rendered sprites are compressed or captured.
It's not ideal, but it has always been that way even on PC.
limpid glacier
oh i've been playing this game like a full time job since the switch version released
and now i am burnt out
oops
hidden drum
Did you notice the soft/sharp toggling thing I mentioned on Switch?
Keep an eye out for it when characters and their speech bubbles are on screen next time you play docked.
potent carbon
hey, how is poseidon aspect for sword?
tawny light
Pretty fun.
The basic build is Artemis cast boon and then going artemis until you get exit wounds.
With exit wounds, cracking an enemy with poseidon will trigger exit wounds forcibly. Good times.
potent carbon
do you know how to unlock superior trove?
I got plunder, greater but contractor won't offer it
tawny light
I wanna say its in the wiki
potent carbon
according to the wiki it should be unlocked
tawny light
You'll get either a dialogue RNG that opens up a new buy optio
Or the new buy optiom for higher end contractor stuff shows up. Been a few 100 hours since I did all that.
tawny light
Gotta make your way through all the upgrades
If you bought all of the early stuff and it hasnt shown uo, just do a few runs and it'll eventually kick in.
molten walrus
I had a question about getting the Friends Forever achievement at the moment. I know it's been bugged the past few days and people were getting it for free upon starting a new game.
However I am wondering if you're still able to get it the legitimate way by maxing all the keepsakes? It's one of my last achievements left and I have every keepsake (including the 2 new ones that dropped with 1.0) at 3 stars. I do not have maxed bonds with ||Persephone|| or ||Demeter|| yet though, and do not have their chibi icons by the keepsake. Can anyone confirm if that is a requirement for the achievement?
Interestingly, it seems maybe Supergiant patched the bug that was giving it to people for free? I started a new Hell Mode save file earlier today and there wasn't any popup when that happened. Was curious if anyone else could corroborate.
lilac mason
I got both the something from everyone and friends forever achievements yesterday without any issues
the first achievement popped when I got the second new 1.0 keepsake on room transition and I got the second achievement upon maxing out that keepsake
rancid sedge
the archievement of ||pet cerberus 10 times|| is not working. any ideas?
ok, now is working
sorry guys
brisk trail
Nyx is hot, yeah?
yes.
Also the second strongest character in the entire game behind Chaos?
spare ridge
“is [hades character] hot?”
do cows moo?
brisk trail
Hell mode first time playing hades????
@fair dove Hardcore gaming is the only way!
spare ridge
it’s like from a list of things you do like “get all boons from artemis” or stuff like that
brisk trail
I wish more Hades characters were straight up ugly.
spare ridge
if you take the fated choice you’re checking one of the items out of the list
wide stream
ohh isee
spare ridge
and you’re closer to getting a reward
brisk trail
Also, the game looks great, but one very mild criticism I have is the character designs of the game.
wide stream
so i should pick them?
spare ridge
I wish more Hades characters were straight up ugly.
@brisk trail i mean most of them are deities so
so i should pick them?
@wide stream well not always
brisk trail
Some look like they could maybe be in a gacha game, others look way more cartoony.
spare ridge
if there’s a better boon then no
spare ridge
otherwise do it
wide stream
i see thank you
spare ridge
np
brisk trail
Speaking of, why isn't Haephestus visually represented in the game?
spare ridge
don’t know
brisk trail
depends on which depiction of Hephaestus we're talking about, saying this as a Greek.
spare ridge
they don’r represent a lot bc there is a lot
lone jetty
not really game related but can anyone tell me if the main folders within Hades (steam) are "Content", "x64", and "x86"? steam kinda messed up my download progress, thank you!
lone jetty
i still havent finished downloading so im trying to recover the progress via the remnants of past downloads, basically replacing folders and files huhu anyway will try again, thanks!
spare ridge
charon is beautiful before anyone asks ok
mystic arch
hey, can someone explain to me what
brisk trail
i still havent finished downloading so im trying to recover the progress via the remnants of past downloads, basically replacing folders and files huhu anyway will try again, thanks!
@lone jetty Just let it download and see if it plays 🙂 it's small in size anyways
mystic arch
are Themes?
brisk trail
I dunno, her understated appearance and hidden eyes really clash with the overstated designs of everyone else and create this sense of humble, restrained power.
Also I don't like the gold highlights on Charon. Too gaudy IMO.
spare ridge
dude’s gotta do what he’s gotta do man
he got the cash he’s gonna show it
are Themes?
@mystic arch Do you mean the music
dusty spade
@mystic arch they are ||something you can purchase from contractor to make the boons screen and victory screen more beautiful||
mystic arch
@dusty spade oh, its for the Boon screen, got it. Was a bit confused when I bought them but nothing changed about the Hades house
spare ridge
clearly Skelly is the absolute undeniably hottest
quasi grotto
hades in number 5 of metacritic 2020
spare ridge
bouldy is a close second imo
hades in number 5 of metacritic 2020
@quasi grotto damn
good job supergiant you lads deserve it
quasi grotto
wow a solid 92 even higher than animal crossing
mystic arch
yeah, great game. Did they say, if they are thinking of working on the game more, like new content?
spare ridge
God yes
brisk trail
Hades would be better if you could fight other weirdos, and not just Greek mythological figures.
spare ridge
yeah, great game. Did they say, if they are thinking of working on the game more, like new content?
@mystic arch it is a roguelike, so most likely
brisk trail
I want to beat up the great Rikidozan dammit!
And also Helio Gracie.
Who else do you want to beat up in Hades?
mystic arch
Im not yet through the main content, but it would be cool if the Olympus story got a resolution, with some new levels and bosses
brisk trail
Hi "We'll be considering opportunities to bring the game to additional platforms down the line. Thank you for your interest." means it's not even sure right ? Cuz if it's not coming i'm going to have to put money aside to buy a PC or a nintendo switch 😦
spare ridge
would be cool to see like actual daedalus beyond just mentions
brisk trail
Yeah.
spare ridge
what was that
brisk trail
Imagine Zagreus getting beaten up by a professional wrestler.
limpid glacier
supergiant has been putting out new content for the game for three years
i think they're gonna work on something else next
brisk trail
It was a joke.
limpid glacier
the game feels done to me
spare ridge
they said themselves they put their all into hades so they won’t be going for anything else anytime soon
granite ether
close to 2 years, Hades entered early access in december 2018
brisk trail
I don't actually want them to put a pro-wrester in Hades.
limpid glacier
time is fake
spare ridge
time is convolluted
brisk trail
They worked on the game for some time before 2018, though.
Also, I want to see what else Studio Grackle puts out.
dreamy quail
Im going to buy hades within the week and was wondering if anyone here uses a switch pro controller on the steam version and if so, have you encountered any issues (mainly wondering about input lag/connection issues)? That's the only controller I have lying around and I really dont want to buy another one so it would be great if the pro controller works well with the game.
spare ridge
i don’t remember where, but they said they’ll take an understandable break
brisk trail
granite ether
#hades-faq is where they mentioned they'll take a break once this 1.0 patch settles
spare ridge
Im going to buy hades within the week and was wondering if anyone here uses a switch pro controller on the steam version and if so, have you encountered any issues (mainly wondering about input lag/connection issues)? That's the only controller I have lying around and I really dont want to buy another one so it would be great if the pro controller works well with the game.
@dreamy quail haven’t gotten any problems myself
i don’t remember where, but they said they’ll take an understandable break
now that i think of it it was probably twitter
limpid glacier
idk I'm excited to play a new supergiant game in three years
brisk trail
I just think Hades would be better if it went full Keisuke Itagaki and made all of it's characters beautifully ugly.
Beautifully ugly in the sense that these are all ugly people whose ugliness was rendered with a great deal of artistic craft.
warm hedge
Given it’s supergiant, I feel like it makes sense for them to work on something else after this
But who knows really
spare ridge
i mean of course
warm hedge
And yeah, a break is definitely warranted haha
cunning kelp
it will be interesting to see what they do next
cunning kelp
They've never done dlc before so idk
warm hedge
Main thing I was referring to was that I wouldn’t necessarily expect more for Hades to be the next thing down the line
I think there’s a pretty good chance that what we have right now is everything Hades will ever be, as Supergiant moves on to other projects
silk mortar
I just hope whatever they do they take their time and make something lovely
hollow halo
if i had to guess therell probably be at least one more patch just to patch everything up but after that its probably something new
warm hedge
Oh yeah, getting a patch to fix any holes seems likely for sure
I’m just not sure I would expect any more major content patches
hollow halo
especially i think theres one a lot of people are asking for, ||a way to go back to the final area||
wide stream
hey guys i am so happy
warm hedge
But given how well Hades has been doing on switch apparently, who knows really
cunning kelp
that's true Hades has been a hit
wide stream
||i beat this game yes! i BEAT Hades. I am so happy right now.||
warm hedge
Nice, KingStar
calm loom
i would be on to pay 5 or 10 bucks for more content
wide stream
i bought this game on december
calm loom
@wide stream omedeto
cunning kelp
Yeah like it honestly doesn't have to be a free update. Very willing to put in for it.
hollow halo
||man hades looks so hunchbacked in his standing still model||
wide stream
but thanks to people on reddit and this discord giving guides and motivation to dont give up
cunning kelp
try out different builds
warm hedge
Hades ended up being kind of an anomaly to me, as far as Supergiant games go
calm loom
& find tour play style buddy
warm hedge
I really like it, and it’s probably the one I have the most hours in
Well, it definitely is
cunning kelp
I've enjoyed all of SG games but this one is most def peak
warm hedge
I’m a rougelike fiend
cunning kelp
^
calm loom
it s my first supergiant's game . i discovered it thanks to Bricky's play on youtube
warm hedge
For me, there is a direct progression between Bastion, Transistor and Pyre
calm loom
the fact that is a rogue like with actual story is insane
warm hedge
Hades borrows from all of them while not really feeling like it’s part of that trifecta for me
Bastion, Transistor and Pyre all blew me away in various ways at various points of my life while Hades ended up being more of a slow burn
Which, is kind of the nature of Early Access
cunning kelp
It feels like they really "graduated" and made the biggest leap in quality in this one
warm hedge
Hmm
cunning kelp
I've really enjoyed all of them but this is by far the best
calm loom
i agree they were big improvement between patches
warm hedge
I think Early Access makes a game inherently less impressive to me because the experience becomes a lot more drip-fed
cunning kelp
It was also just really nice to have these updates to look forward to throughout 2020
cold mantle
but playing in Early Access was such a nice experience as well
warm hedge
On the other hand, Hades undoubtedly ended up extremely well-baked as a game due to Early Access
cunning kelp
Its one of the better EA games I've played
warm hedge
I think it was able to refine a gameplay loop to a mirror sheen more so than other Supergiant games
I can point to specific moments in Bastion, Supergiant and Pyre that absolutely floored me
Moments that at the time were just unbelievably impressive to me
Hades doesn’t really have that for me, but in return it has a extremely solid gameplay loop I end up wanting to come back to
As well as all the regular high points of a Supergiant game
ancient frost
warm hedge
Before Hades, I thought I had a pretty good idea of what a “Supergiant Game” was
untold coral
I have got Hades yesterday and it's such an amazing game and I have watched all the videos of Developing Hell Documentary by NoClips on YouTube, you guys an incredible bunch of people in Supergiant!
warm hedge
But I really have no clue what to expect in the future out of this studio after this
Either way, I’m really excited
untold coral
I highly recommend this documentary series to everyone if you haven't seen it!
idle cloak
I highly recommend this documentary series to everyone if you haven't seen it!
@untold coral Watching it right now, on the last episode now. It's very cool and interesting.
warm hedge
I should watch that documentary
limpid glacier
historically they've released games three years apart
warm hedge
I’ve been eyeing it for a while
untold coral
@idle cloak , so good! I am looking forward to the next one (I think they mentioned there will be one more - the last).
limpid glacier
and they've said it takes them three years to make a game
so I'm assuming they're already working on something new
warm hedge
Hades must be a bit of a special case though
warm hedge
Well, I wouldn’t begrudge them a break haha
hollow halo
supergiant bros and its sequel supergiant bros melee
warm hedge
The EA aspect
warm hedge
Look, eventually they’re going to have enough franchises to do that mega
warm hedge
Well yeah I guess that’s true since Pyre released in 2017
limpid glacier
breaks are good but like, they do this for a living
warm hedge
When Hades was announced I was definitely like “what??! Already?”
limpid glacier
gotta keep making money if you wanna stay afloat
warm hedge
Sure, sure
limpid glacier
gotta stay afloat if you wanna eat 😛
warm hedge
And breaks/vacations are probably included in that 3 year metric
limpid glacier
mhm
warm hedge
Given how well Hades is doing, I don’t expect they’re in trouble
But yeah, I wouldn’t expect a break out of the ordinary or whatever
limpid glacier
mhm
warm hedge
We’ll see what the future holds
steel flicker
@warm hedge I share your sentiment regarding Hades' place in SGG catalogue. What I found surprising in this solid "loop" is how resource based Hades is in terms of player incentives. That was pretty disheartening for me.
amber cloak
Has Supergiant said anything about future updates/dlc for Hades? The player base is definitely big enough that dlc can be very successful
meager oriole
I'
viral rover
They've said there's nothing planned
tranquil summit
How long do think it will take for hades to get a patch since I’m on switch and can’t play because of glitch
meager oriole
i wanted to ask if the Olympions Keepsakes have any real worth after the beginning boon you get at the start of a run
viral rover
Thinking about it and how cross-saves might work, I don't think paid DLC is likely
Yummi, they still give you a higher rarity chance for boons of the relevant god but you won't "force" the same god again for the rest of the run
meager oriole
welp
limpid glacier
bastion and transistor sold similar amounts iirc and didn't get dlc
carmine ravine
even if they want to do dlc, they already said they taking a break
steel flicker
Well in 2012-2014 DLCs were still a controversial decision. Especially from a non-AAA.
Service games didn't exist
but now it's pretty much normalized
to pay $400 for pieces of a game over the span of two years
carmine ravine
before that they are called expansions, what makes them controversial is just the outrageous heorse armor
cold mantle
i wanted to ask if the Olympions Keepsakes have any real worth after the beginning boon you get at the start of a run
@meager oriole definitely, specially if you are looking for a specific boon from a specific god for builds or synergies
carmine ravine
and you know, mmorpg subscription exists for a long time, thats literally a service game @steel flicker
steel flicker
Yes. But for a system to exist solely within one genre vs across entire industry makes a difference.
Now a single player game can declare itself a service game and nobody will be surprised.
meager oriole
Another thing i wanted to ask is if that keepsake gets locked during the near end of a run? Artemis Keepsake got locked before i entered the Satyr place
carmine ravine
if u already used it once, u cant equip it again
frozen roost
wait what they are giving us expansion ? 
rigid grotto
Ok sorry to interrupt, but I have a friend looking to get hades on switch, shes worried that the text might be too small in handheld mode, can people here confirm or deny?
steel flicker
@frozen roost no
carmine ravine
no clue @frozen roost
idle cloak
I have it on Switch and the text is small but perfectly readable both handheld and docked.
frozen roost
well lets just hope they give us content eventually. Game seems to be healthy rn though
amber cloak
Yeah, Supergiant games have been historically one and done with no dlc, but Hades has already broken the mold with EA and an update based development. That would leave it more open to future updates/dlc
carmine ravine
yeah we cant say yes or no since they dont exacly confirm it
cold mantle
Ok sorry to interrupt, but I have a friend looking to get hades on switch, shes worried that the text might be too small in handheld mode, can people here confirm or deny?
@rigid grotto saw some people on the feedback section asking for an option to increase text/ui elements on Switch but not that it was unreadable, sounds like it's big enough
rigid grotto
alright, thanks frens
frozen roost
dont see why they wouldnt update the game eventually, it came out yesterday and its top1 on steam charts
already
for new games *
amber cloak
I mean, number of sales has never been a factor to Supergiant on whether to release dlc or not. Transistor and Bastion sold similar numbers.
frozen roost
top 5 in top sellers
granite ether
Supergiant in the past have moved on to new projects after the release of their current one
however, what they'll do after Hades no one knows at this time, all we know is they deserve a well earned break
carmine ravine
i hope hades become those iconic games such as dark souls etc
paper granite
Hey you all :3
I like making foods from all kind of shows and in celebration of the Hades full release, I've been thinking of making something from the show, currently I'm thinking of making the Pom Porridge that Eurydice makes <: (The picture of it on the wiki is a little unclear so I'm still working it out X3)
Anyone got any other ideas for foods from the game?
amber cloak
Funny thing you mention that, Dark Souls created its own genre and hard core game play style. Supergiant has done a similar thing with all their games around a certain game play style that they've polished over all of their games leading to its current iteration in Hades
carmine ravine
then why the witcher is well known
analog elbow
You could make the Gyro and fries Anita
steel flicker
genre
analog elbow
The sandwich looking thingies from ingame
carmine ravine
@steel flicker u missing my point
paper granite
yeah that would be awesome!
amber cloak
Here's a higher quality picture of Pom Porridge if you needed it https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/8/85/Pom_Porridge.png/revision/latest?cb=20191231162122
paper granite
That's the one I'm using <:
amber cloak
Another food item in the game is Ambrosia Delight from Eurydice which seem like fun cookies to bake https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/b/b5/Ambrosia_Delight.png/revision/latest?cb=20191231162112
paper granite
I already have a recipe written down for it
Maybe I will make a hades special, with all the 3 items from Eurydice
amber cloak
Besides poms of power and ambrosia I think those're all the food items in the game
paper granite
It honestly looks like sugar cookies
amber cloak
It does
paper granite
Im thinking of making my own pom jam to top it, gonna be awesome
analog elbow
Good luck! Share with us your results!
carmine ravine
_make the fishes _
paper granite
Even though I'm still most puzzled about what's in the middle of the Porridge, maybe apple slices?
Will do : D
mystic nexus
So I have max affinity on Dusa but I don't have a blurb on her keepsake. Is this a bug?
carmine ravine
same here
paper granite
I got it after she ||friend zoned me ;-;||
serene beacon
I'm new to Hades, and is there blessings for Demeter,apollo, and Hephaestus ?
I haven't gotten those yet
carmine ravine
no apollo and hephaestus
carmine ravine
wot
mystic nexus
I think you might be confused.
idle cloak
No Apollo seems like an odd omission. Probably thought they'd be too much similarity with Artemis.
patent topaz
Gaia's treasure is just an item, Gaia isn't an actual character in the game
mystic nexus
I think there was only room to develop so many of them in the scope of the game and they wanted a good mix of men and women
serene beacon
Who is in the portal in the floor then :/
mystic nexus
You mean Chaos?
serene beacon
That was chaos ?
patent topaz
ooooh you meant chaos
mystic nexus
Our favorite softly-spoken gentlebeing.
serene beacon
I like how all thee gods aren't just white
idle cloak
I think there was only room to develop so many of them in the scope of the game and they wanted a good mix of men and women
@mystic nexus Yeah makes sense. Can't have all of them as there'd just be too many characters. Apollo is a pretty major player though so just surprised he's not there.
mystic nexus
I know, right? 😄
It's pretty nice.
Were you aware that Zagreus is an actual mythological figure? I wasn't when I first played the game.
idle cloak
No I assumed he was made up for the game!
patent topaz
If by Gaia you mean a strange hindu-like fusion between Astral from yu gi oh and Ashura from Soul Eater if it came from the Berserk universe then it was Chaos
carmine ravine
ah yes, kratos the totally legit god
mystic nexus
I'm not gonna spoil anything but they tie some of this lore into the game in a fun way.
narrow hemlock
@idle cloak they've said in past qa that as they developed the story someone like apollo became less relevant, demeter originally wasn't even considered
mystic nexus
Really? That's surprising.
serene beacon
Whos your favorite god to get blessings from
patent topaz
I found out about the game because i was looking up references to make the underworld family in the sims 4 0-0
mystic nexus
All things considered, Demeter would be a really odd ommission.
brisk trail
Whos your favorite god to get blessings from
@serene beacon it's a hard draw between artemis and poseidon
narrow hemlock
Yeah demeter is important now but she wasn't an original choice
mystic nexus
Athena for me.
serene beacon
I like Poseidon
brisk trail
i love poseidon
when you get his power bar thing
and it's full
sometimes he goes
"GET OFF MY NEPHEW!!!!!!!!"
serene beacon
I have only gotten to the second stage with the lava , I immediately walked into the lava and died
carmine ravine
dissapointed you cant ||romance artemis||
serene beacon
You can date characters in the game???
narrow hemlock
she's your cousin
patent topaz
I think Amir said something like they legit forgot. Then they realized that "omg this game talks about family and we haven't added || Persephone's mom ||
serene beacon
You can date in hades ???
carmine ravine
she's your cousin
@narrow hemlock i mean so does thanatos
narrow hemlock
no
serene beacon
I like giving gifts to the gorgon head
brisk trail
narrow hemlock
sgg avoided incestuous relations where they could
hence why some god heritage is altered
idle cloak
That's not easy with Greek Mythology! They're all related to each other somehow!
serene beacon
Is there only 4 weapons ?
narrow hemlock
There's 6
narrow hemlock
And yeah if you want to be technical about it everyone came from the titans anyway
serene beacon
Do you get blessings from Hera ??/
narrow hemlock
but you can be tactful about how you present it
carmine ravine
u see the empty spaces right @serene beacon
patent topaz
No, she isn't a character in the game
serene beacon
:(
narrow hemlock
not all of the olympians are represented
patent topaz
but she is acknowledged with her bow aspect
paper granite
I want to see best boy Daedalus in the game ;v;
serene beacon
I like how every time you die there is new dialogue
There is a ton of voice acting :V
patent topaz
Same with Hestia
Hephaestus and Apollo aren't mentioned in the game at all save for some lines by Aphro and Arti
And you do know they exist anyway because... well, greek myths amirite
carmine ravine
i mean theogony is already a long list
narrow hemlock
I think at this point there's like over 20k lines of dialogue lol
narrow hemlock
Pretty close
There was over 18k for blood price and greg mentioned there was like about 3k lines coming for 1.0
carmine ravine
isnt 20k is fallout 3 level
fading gazelle
Very close to be honest
narrow hemlock
granted a big chunk of lines are short quips but all the same everything is voice acted
patent topaz
Honestly how did they manage to think about every single possibility? They even considered the option of you picking a pom with no boons, it gives you obols
mystic nexus
Good foresight.
serene beacon
Hades is one of the best games I have played this year
carmine ravine
isnt thats how game design works
rigid grotto
lots of player feedback
mystic nexus
You want to hear some good voice lines?
rigid grotto
combined with good forsight
mystic nexus
Try using a God's Call during a Trial of the Gods where that god is mad at you.
carmine ravine
theres an achivement for that
narrow hemlock
the gods will comment if you die in their trial too lol
patent topaz
Maybe the fact they're gamers themselves helped, they know how they can be thirsty for trying out everything and testing the game
or they watched a lot of top 10 easter eggs
mystic nexus
You ever played Undertale? I think that game might be the king of "I can't believe the developer accounted for somebody trying this".
serene beacon
The level design is so good and visually appealing I love it
carmine ravine
games like undertale is passion project
mystic nexus
You get an acknowledgement in Undertale if ||you go the whole game without equipping armor||
patent topaz
oh god
i swear i love undertale but i forgot it was also that way
i remember the 4th wall breakings
serene beacon
Toby fox did everything by himself and so he permanently damaged his wrist :(
carmine ravine
i mean most of the sounds is free sounds but yeah
patent topaz
My favourite is when after || dying 10 times by sans he says something like "hey it's your 10th time! Congratulations! Let's have a party, we can eat food and hang out with your friends... oh, right, i almost forgot ||
|| you have no friends ||
serene beacon
Just like real life
carmine ravine
have u tried dying in the first chamber over and over again
warm hedge
Ya know, I don’t know if this is a spoiler or no
||but I’m kinda wondering if Tiny Vermin is actually a minor god||
nimble ocean
which means either ||there are lots of tiny vermins in the temple of Styx||, or ||tiny vermin is immortal||
and i'm not sure what is worse
smoky halo
I for get how to spoiler
warm hedge
I think there’s a chance it became one
maiden copper
Didn't the codex entry say it was their king? Or am i mistaken
warm hedge
The collective will of all vermin eventually ascended it or something, perhaps due to being so near the underworld
Possibly it just became immortal
carmine ravine
gib coins
smoky halo
Ah
strong jewel
Do this game come out on ps4? Do any know any thing?
noble moat
Having trouble identifying the “flash” on the charging ranged attacks. I had no problem with it in Pyre. Is the showing on the pointer right after it reaches max range? Or is it a flash on Z himself? Thanks!
carmine ravine
on z
maiden copper
Theres a small flash on the prince himself, and the aim indicator will also briefly flash white
It also doesn't flash at exactly full charge, I believe a power shot is just before a full charge
noble moat
Ok thanks to you both! I’ll have to look out for those. Was staying away from abilities involving those because I couldn’t figure it out.
carmine ravine
yeah i have a hard time doing powershots so i just take the hammer that makes arrows rapicly
smoky halo
You can test it in the in skelly area
carmine ravine
thats not the problem, its just the window is small, kust like dash upper
smoky halo
Yea
Personally I prefer to not use the bow
I like the spear, fish shield and sword
Fist
carmine ravine
the gun is nice if u got the rocket
hushed hamlet
SIGH
Asterus I hate him
Also my waifu betrayed me in that fight im so heartbroken
carmine ravine
who
rigid grotto
let me guess its ||Artemis||
winter shuttle
Dash upper doesnt really have a small window
It feels as easy as any dash attack imo
hushed hamlet
Ichoren: Im never gonna give her another nectar
carmine ravine
why does everyone like my waifu
hushed hamlet
oh what am I kidding, she has the best boons over horny lady
hallow cargo
speaking of the gloves, i thought zag aspect gave like
attack damage and move speed
astral flume
*our waifu
hushed hamlet
I cant find a good way to use heart boons
carmine ravine
i mean aphrodite is literally naked so thats an advantage i guess
hushed hamlet
im sorry but they all seem lackluster
hallow cargo
aphrodite boons have the best damage scaling
carmine ravine
aphrodite boons i sawesome
hallow cargo
(unless they changed that too)
winter shuttle
Not that i remember. Could you be thinking about sword instead?
hallow cargo
and weak is nice
hushed hamlet
am I looking at this incorrectly then?
well im at run 10, so maybe I'lll give her another chance
but right now im all about best duo
Athena and Ares the A-team
winter shuttle
What is the athena ares duo?
hallow cargo
carups: i thought it was changed from dodge chance based on some post on the reddit
athena ares duo is that your deflecting attacks auto-proc doom
rigid grotto
instantly
coral verge
I don't like Athena or Ares 😂
rigid grotto
its nuts
carmine ravine
athena got big burst
rigid grotto
or at least it was
hallow cargo
so if you have like...chaos shield, and you went doom on special
winter shuttle
Athena dash is kinda too good imo
rigid grotto
being able to deflect is just incredible
carmine ravine
athena call is just crushing bosses
winter shuttle
Ares bow is just easy mode plain and simple
astral flume
athena dash, zeus attack, ares special on ||Gilgamesh||-fists is nutty
unreal vine
lol
unreal vine
nah man rail gun then bow then staff
coral verge
sword is ok'ish with some hammer, especially the attack wave
hushed hamlet
back to Tartarus you go hellboy
hallow cargo
oh, huh
paper light
athena sword special is amazing
astral flume
i had my absolute fastest run at just below 13 mins with the sword
hallow cargo
the gun's easily my least favorite weapon
carmine ravine
||gilgamesh|| is just a faster smaller ||arther||
coral verge
Spear is easily my worst weapon
hallow cargo
i only use guan spear lmao
carmine ravine
i do like railgun
unreal vine
all u need is some dmg
coral verge
rail gun with triple bombs = gg
hallow cargo
other spears feel like ass
unreal vine
and you’re set
unreal vine
i honesty hate you!
hallow cargo
dw, feeling's mutual
coral verge
the 4th aspect railgun is crazy tho
winter shuttle
I never bothered learning the gun either. 30 runs so far and only 1 gun run
hallow cargo
i also don't know how to use the gloves
hushed hamlet
im so used to Sword special Deflect everything
coral verge
if you get the unlimited ammo hammer upgrade for railgun, it's easier
hallow cargo
same as aa-based gun
astral flume
yeah i like zeus attack and ares or artemis special on fists, usually
unreal vine
sucks going through the first level without something
rigid grotto
shield is the top by far for me
winter shuttle
@hushed hamlet i just beat heat4 yesterday with fists, it was my first fist clear. grabbed zag fists and the zeus keepsake for the chain lightning on attacks, then athena for divine dash
hallow cargo
i haven't fully upgraded any shield aspect
carmine ravine
i tried all of them, only need the last 3 hidden aspect yet
winter shuttle
Rest goes as expected
hallow cargo
and apparently shield is only good with max rank in something
hushed hamlet
Carup ooh
coral verge
some weapon aspect just don't click with you
hushed hamlet
maybe I'll do that
coral verge
Chaos Shield is top tier
carmine ravine
i jsut goddamn hates the bow targeting on controller
astral flume
hey so question. Trying to get all achievements, and for some reason i still need "unlock each standard keepsake"... I've done all there is, i believe
unreal vine
bruh what’s wrong with dusa man
carmine ravine
theres 2 last of them: ||hades and persephone|| @astral flume
unreal vine
genuinely hate this character
hushed hamlet
whoa
winter shuttle
She shy
hushed hamlet
dont hate on dusa
flat vapor
hushed hamlet
unreal vine
HOW SHY CAN YOU BE
winter shuttle
Anime shy
hushed hamlet
Dusa is the only gorgon trying to not kill me
unreal vine
can’t say hi to the kid
carmine ravine
dere dere indeed
rigid grotto
shield dash has complete invincibility
hushed hamlet
in better news
astral flume
i did get the one for ||persephone||, and i'm now guessing you get ||hades' keepsake from defeating him in his stronger form?||
rigid grotto
the chargedrush
carmine ravine
no u need his line and giving him a nectar as usual @astral flume
astral flume
huh... odd. but thank you!
hushed hamlet
Is there a reason to give more than one nectar to an NPC?
carmine ravine
depends on which npc
amber cloak
Speaking of Dusa, in 1.0 does she still ||reject you at the end or can you actually romance her now?||
winter shuttle
I like how meg keeps downplaying you even after you mop the floor with her thousands of times
hallow cargo
i mean, alecto is way worse about it
carmine ravine
its her work, have u tried ||romacing her||
hushed hamlet
Im 1-2 vs alec
smoky rune
@hushed hamlet once there's no reason to to give them a nectar, it will not give you an option anymore
hushed hamlet
winter shuttle
It's pg2 in here
carmine ravine
which npc are you thinkingof giving nectar to? @hushed hamlet
winter shuttle
There can be a reason to, yeah
hushed hamlet
there is like 8 of em
unreal vine
is there someone to give gifts to more than the others
winter shuttle
There is
unreal vine
cuz i’ve been dumping them in hypnos or whoever i see next
carmine ravine
some npc u can ||romance|| with ||ambrosia||
unreal vine
romance
hallow cargo
not even that
unreal vine
greek mythology sus
winter shuttle
i dont think the "boon-gods" have any benefits for multiple gifts
carmine ravine
||no romance for artemis since she already had calisto||
winter shuttle
someone correct me if i'm wrong
hushed hamlet
hallow cargo
some npcs, even ones you ||can't romance, you can give ambrosia to after maxing out their hearts with nectar. if you do, they'll give you active items||
carmine ravine
not every one
hushed hamlet
lol
winter shuttle
how do you even spoiler tag?
carmine ravine
||persephone fonet give anything if u give her nectar||
winter shuttle
gj
surreal adder
How much do infernal troves give when upgraded?
carmine ravine
now u know how
winter shuttle
||and i also know not to close them with "
astral flume
either you use "||" before and after the spoiler part, or you mark and right click what you want spoiler-tagged
carmine ravine
too much work using the mous
astral flume
nvm just mark, no right click needed. the thing pops up on its own
carmine ravine
do u know u can spoiler a picture if u name any picture with SPOILER_
tiny sage
short question real quick: The Heat Timer stacking instead of resetting with every biome - is that a new 1.0 thing or did I just not notice that its doing that before?
jade kindle
New 1.0
narrow hemlock
It's new
jade kindle
big same
narrow hemlock
also related to spoiler tagging, you can post links to images without the link showing a preview thumbnail by putting the link in angle brackets, <link here>
just make sure you mention it's spoiler content. when you ||link here|| it will still show a thumbnail but the thumbnail itself is spoilered
hallow yew
brisk trail
I play with mouse but does this game support controller?
tropic zodiac
In fact, the game Recommends controllers on the title screen
Personally I swap between controller and kb/m depending on what weapon I'm using
brisk trail
oh
controller doesn't work for me
that's why I was thinking that only kb+m supported
sand stump
is this a new room?
I believe this room always have wallls
never seen them empty like this
potent egret
Chaos cant keep a single fish alive?! man i just want those fishes!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/559872809967419402/757637842636898344/unknown.png?width=1040&height=585
@sand stump nah, its old
mellow finch
It might have been added last patch (blood price update), but I don't think it came with 1.0
sand stump
i thought it always have a squre wall
potent egret
10 gems makes 1 key, 5 key 1 nectar so it goes 50 gems, x10 to get a diamond so 500 gems, x2 to get an ambrosia there goes 1000 and with that you make a Titan blood
carmine ravine
or u know, u can just do ||higher heat||
potent egret
NP
terse geyser
and you can trade a titan blood for 250 gems, which is a good deal and definitely not a scam at all
carmine ravine
damn bro what a steal
sharp fossil
a bargain
sharp fossil
theft is indeed happening
carmine ravine
you lose gems by not getting it id say
mellow finch
isn't there also 2 ambrosia for a diamond, which is the same kind of GREAT DEAL
sharp fossil
i mean, to be fair unless you’re doing something weird you’ll run out of blood upgrades before you run out of gem stuff
at which point the price of blood plummets and the economy crashes
or something
carmine ravine
i mean how many titans did they actually killed
mellow finch
Something totally weird like farming for gems on lower heat that you've already beaten?
sharp fossil
very weird yeah
imagine playing less heat than is required for bounties 🤔
jks i just like heat, it’s prolly not that weird idk
mellow finch
Imagine doing it for something even weirder than farming gems, like progressing the story that was added with 1.0 or something.
carmine ravine
jks i just like heat, it’s prolly not that weird idk
@sharp fossil are you always on heat
mellow finch
On a more serious note, there's nothing wrong with focussing on heat, I'm just memeing.
flat notch
Question for the room, what changes do the hades mode make occur, and is there a way to enable it after the game has been made.
carmine ravine
inb4 "but hades IS hell"
terse geyser
hellmode makes you start at a higher difficulty setting
you can for all intents and purposes get to that difficulty in normal mode, so it's not really much of a difference after your first few runs
sharp fossil
insert obligatory rage about personal liability
terse geyser
PL is free heat change my mind
carmine ravine
wats pl
sharp fossil
not free ‘cause you gotta grind that hell mode save
terse geyser
not free ‘cause you gotta grind that hell mode save
you're right, it's more effort than literally any other 1 heat
brisk trail
omg the ||spear reach|| is ||long||
topaz tangle
How do you unlock the hidden aspects??
carmine ravine
hmm yes the spear is indeed long
read the pins in #h1-story-discussion @topaz tangle
topaz tangle
Ty @carmine ravine !
sharp fossil
wats pl
Personal Liability is a hell mode only heat option which disables the short period of invincibility you get after you’re hit for more than 20%(i think?) of your max hp
brisk trail
I'm mostly controller gamer but in hades you really lose the ability to choose direction to move and direction to attack independently with controller
carmine ravine
i think the 1 hit immune for all enemies is free heat but that just me
sharp fossil
try it with arthur
terse geyser
I'm mostly controller gamer but in hades you really lose the ability to choose direction to move and direction to attack independently
@brisk trail you should try using a mouse with your controller
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751112073924313208/755565546220683284/Gued_Controls.png
carmine ravine
try it with arthur
@sharp fossil i already did
coral verge
woah, what
terse geyser
woah, what
yeah, you can use both at the same time
brisk trail
that will give you more smooth movement direction choosing
coral verge
that seems funky
mellow finch
I just use mouse and keyboard even though I play some other games with controller 🤷♂️
coral verge
I can see how that would work but I would miss out the key bindings more
carmine ravine
hades is far easier with controller, can confirm
shell lion
Hey sorry to interrupt but can anyone explain the mirror skill Dark Foresight to me? I just unlocked it, alongside Olympian Favor, and wanted to know which I should go for.
terse geyser
dark foresight makes gold, health, boons, and hammers more common
olympian favor makes boons stronger
shell lion
Worth? Or stick to Olympian Favor? I saw a video that had a different one that made legendary and duos a little more common... Was that too powerful and they removed it or something?
sharp fossil
i generally use favor, but idk what the meta is
topaz tangle
Is there a tier list for aspects??
carmine ravine
wats hitbox
terse geyser
there are some tier lists, but they are 100% subjective
split swift
Question about the Pierced Butterfly achievement: is it actually 30%, or supposed to be 30 rooms? I did the former and the achievement didn't pop
topaz tangle
Ahh I see
coral verge
@shell lion that's another mirror upgrade
manic bobcat
Like a arcade fighting controller
split swift
Also I've had endless thoughts of Hades in an arcade cabinet
smoky halo
lego and duo more common is 250 dark per 1%
shell lion
It is? Oh okay.
manic bobcat
With a large stick and like 6 buttons
carmine ravine
sounds retro stuff
brisk trail
hades is far easier with controller, can confirm
@carmine ravine why? with mouse u still get aim assist
coral verge
Epic and Legendary are on 1, the hammer/health and rare are on 1 IIRC
carmine ravine
@carmine ravine why? with mouse u still get aim assist
@brisk trail its just the feel you know, i dont even use controller for any other game since its hard to aim with controller
sharp fossil
omni directional movement is generally the argument
brisk trail
that's relative
sharp fossil
strike that, better cerberus petting experience is the argument for controller
and it’s a strong one
i still use KBM, but it’s a tough call
terse geyser
you haven't pet cerberus until you've pet him with a controller
carmine ravine
superior fishing with controller
manic bobcat
Petting Cerb is the real reason Controller >> MKB
terse geyser
even when I was using KBM I had a controller on the floor and would switch to it when I wanted to pet cerberus
this is not a joke
carmine ravine
i only pet cerberus exactly 10 times for teh achievement, yes im a monster
proven crown
you are unworthy of cerberus
terse geyser
you need to pet him moar
proven crown
dad was right to hate you
carmine ravine
or does he?
carmine ravine
lets be real, cerberus is just a 3 headed clifford
terse geyser
cerberus is spikier than and therefore superior to clifford
carmine ravine
isnt spike is bad for petting
terse geyser
no
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/a/VSVChEC
can you do that without mouse?
sand stump
terse geyser
a lot more would miss
sand stump
i am sorry, but the dash is better
terse geyser
@sand stump yeah, especially with that brilliant riposte
carmine ravine
just take the third one 
terse geyser
"you cannot be stunned" is actually awesome tbh
carmine ravine
stunned from what
sand stump
weapon need channeling like bow and rail
terse geyser
so enemies hitting you, urn procs
sand stump
can be stun easily
terse geyser
possibly even wringers?
carmine ravine
so its like sturdy but permanent?
terse geyser
right
sharp fossil
wringers don’t stun, tho, right? they grab
there’s a graphic for it
i’d be surprised if it cancels that
carmine ravine
thats assault and battery sir
exotic flame
Hades: God of the dead.
Thanatos: God of death.
Zagreus: God of deaths.
carmine ravine
archilles call us ||god of blood||
exotic flame
I know, it was a joke 
potent egret
please god give me more chaos fishes!!! aaaaa
sharp fossil
Charon: God of the death river CAPITALISM
carmine ravine
i need more ||basses||
native sorrel
zagreus, god of quips right after dying and getting rezzed
proven crown
Zagerus, God of Snark
brisk trail
idk I feel like with mouse I have more control and even if it's harder (idk is it) it's more fun
sharp fossil
it’s harder to move precisely, easier to aim
proven crown
i don't think mouse is harder by nature, it is all about which you have more experience in imo
sharp fossil
i don’t think there’s really any agreement as to which is “better”
carmine ravine
i mean if u like using bow its spuerior i guess
terse geyser
why does no one listen to me
proven crown
i have a lot of hours using M+KB in other games so it came naturally
sharp fossil
unless you’re lysol ofc
coral verge
I played with controller in EA, stuck with K&M at launch
sharp fossil
why does no one listen to me
@terse geyser look, we just can’t handle the truth okay
brisk trail
I like shield, it's rush ability