And thats fine
#h1-discussion
thorny arrow
jade nacelle
I'm surprised anyone wouldn't like Hades; it's one of the best games to be made in the past several years.
worldly relic
Much of the backlash with pyre was because gamers were expecting something else.
@lament stratus Don't talk for me. What i expected is a fresh game and concept and i get it but i wasn't convinced buy gameplay. Otherwise all other things was perfect.
lament stratus
I'm talking for the dozens of steam reviews I read before I bought it.
worldly relic
ok
thorny arrow
Lets move on shall we?
jade nacelle
Hell challenger, you should make an effort to be less quick to defend your ego and assume someone is personally attacking you; it's a discussion, mate.
thorny arrow
To hell_challenger's point, I didn't really buy into pyre's gameplay that much either but I did really like some of the design - the fail state not being reset, the story, by gods the music
but the second to second gameplay of hades is so good
worldly relic
totally agree.
sharp parcel
it was a ball game mixed with VN, people expected Bastion or Transistor 2.0, which we basically got in Hades
lament stratus
SGGs production values are so consistent, I'm fascinated to see what they try next.
thorny arrow
But my brother doesn't really care about the core gameplay loop as much as, like, the story. He's down to just chill and do whatever to progress the story
worldly relic
For me a supergiant game is story charact design and music. And all their game never dissapointed about it.
thorny arrow
I don't really agree, I think bastion and transistor's gameplay loops were super good
thorny arrow
I think pyre's gameplay loop is probably good too just a little less approachable and requires more buy in?
thorny arrow
This is in stark contrast to hades primary gameplay loop which is even more accessable than transistors
worldly relic
it's juste about my feeling not more
thorny arrow
I can't really say pyre's gameplay loop is bad because I haven't really experienced it to its entirety,
Hades on the other, as a roguelike
lament stratus
The gameplay loop in pyre was elegant imo. It was a very scripted development, that was limited like transistor but gave so much variety in how to play. I know it wasn't pvp but it was crafted like one so I really appreciated how they balanced it.
thorny arrow
yeah I can see that
lament stratus
Also I liked the loss-integration into the story. Which they evolved further in Hades (rogueline and all lol)
worldly relic
Pyre gameplay is the worst i saw on all their game but i liked the principe.
Also I liked the loss-integration into the story. Which they evolved further in Hades (rogueline and all lol)
@lament stratus YES me too but it's not about gameplay.
You see i only said i disliked gameplay i get more answer about how the game is good on other point. Maybe my ego is good. ๐
lament stratus
Pyre integrated loss into the story. I think loss is part of gameplay loop.
worldly relic
yeah yeah yeah sorry for your ego you are absolutely righ enjoy your evening.
lament stratus
I agree that transistor is hard to get into. A shame cause I think transistor IS their best gameplay system thus far.
signal torrent
Where is my boy Apollo in game.. supergiant pliss 
jade nacelle
I imagine adding too many gods may damage the integrity of the gameplay. I don't know how many more they'll add; have they said anything?
random sapphire
that may be true tbh
daring hull
they're not adding any more
jade nacelle
There's room for seven more keepsakes, though. I imagine one or two of those could be gods.
gusty slate
Adding a God is quite the amount of work
daring hull
they said they were not going to add more gods
random sapphire
oh ok
narrow hemlock
confirmed no more olympians https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1278379602402930690
daring hull
thanks tatz!
random sapphire
did they do all of the olympians in the pantheon tho?
jade nacelle
One additional character? Is that not a god?
daring hull
well it's probaby ||zags mom||
jade nacelle
Clearly, do you know how many gods there are in Greek mythology?
That would be absurd.
gusty slate
I believe Demeter justifies that we're not getting anymore Olympians. She said something about the rest of the family doing something else
daring hull
yeah, plus ||apollo might not exist, we have helios||
gusty slate
Ah true
narrow hemlock
aaaand heres the other official bit saying it was never planned to add everyone https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/672881358149779486
jade nacelle
Yeah, I literally just had Demeter mention ||her brother Helios seeing Persophone enter the underworld||
random sapphire
i think a co op mode could be really cool. they can do it like castle crashers how it doubles enemy and boss health
gusty slate
May be a little awkward
random sapphire
true
but shovel knight co op was a bit weird and that still worked
but im not sure
rough token
Hahaha, yeah
random sapphire
ah. i just bought the game and i havent got past meg yet so idk.
gusty slate
Ah, you'll understand when you get there
gusty slate
Good luck getting through the underworld though!
random sapphire
yeah!
thx. anyways they can add maybe someone like achilles as a second player or something
gusty slate
Would need to be someone new, lorewise I think nobody can really help Zag like that lol
worthy egret
TWO ZAG
random sapphire
thats true
but going back to shovel knight co op, a second player never altered the story, although i think that mightve been bc the game's story was simple
2 zags might be good
lofty dragon
hypnos 
random sapphire
like a smash bros alt costume
lofty dragon
falls asleep during greater call
random sapphire
THAT WOULD BE SO STUPID AND OVERPOWERED BUT ID LOVE TO SEE THAT
narrow hemlock
https://gyazo.com/da64bc82ad3c09926d3d1b4391d5fcee the kind of update content we like to see
random sapphire
yes
lofty dragon
fluff is what makes a good game great
sage marten
f
mild thistle
- Flash Fire (Rail): no longer deals damage faster; now gains an attack range bonus
I had no idea if the numbers on this were actually really good or not but, aw.
sage marten
does it no longer fire ten milion shields?
sage marten
sad
random sapphire
๐ damn
worldly flare
Shame, I enjoyed it
shell ice
where are you seeing this?
worthy egret
Boost to attack and dash attack
shell ice
i dont see any changes to chaos aspect
random sapphire
patch notes
narrow hemlock
@shell ice #hades-patch-notes
worthy egret
narrow hemlock
it was also posted on steam a minute before it went up here haha
lofty dragon
less cost on gaea treasure, that's nice
worthy egret
Wait
worldly flare
I'd check, but Im still playing pre-update 
worthy egret
Its zag asoect
marble sable
yay finally a buff for dusa's keepsake
worthy egret
Im dummy
shell ice
okay i thought i was blind
worldly flare
Oh yeah looks like Chaos aspect didnt get changed at all
flat vapor
oof, currently playing a hades aspect spear run lol
worthy egret
No its ok im blind
worldly flare
Name being Shield of Chaos threw me off
worthy egret
Yeah
shell ice
yeah its kind of confusing admittedly
flat vapor
good thing i haven't updated yet
candid wasp
Oh man Dusa's Feathers are my favorite, and now they buffed it 
jagged echo
noooooooooooooooooooo im gonna miss the shield's damage reduction so much ;-;
ah well
flat vapor
spear got a lot of love this update
jagged echo
can't really do anything about it, might as well get used to it
outer comet
@sterile light Congrats xD
rough token
Huh, I guess they're no longer keeping the rail a spoiler
shell ice
Anyway, this is it for gameplay adjustments until 1.0?
neon bramble
Id expect maybe a couple more patches like this before 1.0
rough token
Yeah, same
But probably only minor adjustments
If something just really doesn't work
narrow hemlock
it says it right at the top "This patch includes a last set of improvements following last week's big Blood Price Update. After any further technical fixes, our focus will shift to our v1.0 Launch later this year"
shell ice
yeah, maybe they just won't count them as "part of blood price"
neon bramble
Oh, missed that part
Yeah looks like this is the last of that kind of update until 1.0
shell ice
Shame that there's nothing about Tight Deadline in Styx
neon bramble
Guess itll really only be bug fixing kind of stuff
shell ice
if ||the satyr sack|| is the 4th/5th door you visit, it can be essentially impossible for you to kill the final boss in time
whereas if it's the 2nd door, time basically isn't a concern unless you're stalling for health regen or whatever
this creates a lot of "purely RNG" variance with TD
neon bramble
Oh okay, I guess Ive just never had that issue cause if I get to that point with TD on Im usually rushing and clearing quickly
shell ice
"essentially impossible" is exaggeration on my part
i'd just rather have the variance toned down a bit
personally
lament stratus
I hate tight deadline in general partially for this reason. It can be such a crapshoot depending on what you get from rng.
neon bramble
I get that but I also feel like the whole point of using TD is to make you really rush anyways
shell ice
sure, but losing 1/5 runs just because you picked the wrong door is pretty feels-bad
i just wish there was a bit of "time compensation" if you got a late sack
maybe like +1 minute if it's 4th door, +2 minutes if it's 5th door or something
rough canopy
neon bramble
Maybe its just a case of you not playing fast enough for it? Ive had runs where I full clear Styx and still have 2 minuts to finish
lament stratus
The issue isn't just rushing. The issue is if the game randomly decides to give you the sack on door 5.
lofty dragon
i think TD should not be a flat amount but rather adjust for each area
shell ice
I mean certainly on strong enough runs you can blitz through all 5 doors of Styx in 4 minutes
but the problem is that the standard for "strong enough" changes purely based off of door RNG
and I'd like to see that smoothed out just a bit
neon bramble
Not even on all that strong runs, styx isnt all that hard to clear quickly. The timer stops when you enter a door or open a menu
shell ice
I'm fully aware
neon bramble
Wait, are you running the first level of TD or the second? Cause I can see issues with teh second level of it
shell ice
second, I'm assuming high heat here
jade nacelle
I understand the variance but do consider that you simply need to build better, play faster, or improve your own game in some way in order to be more successful. No one is upset by tight deadline on the three primary levels prior to Styx and by comparison Styx has smaller rooms, quicker clear times, and by my own estimation I'd be willing to say every tiny chamber leading up to the final chamber of a door counts as maybe one room. With that logic the Styx is no bigger than any other sector and with a proper build you can absolutely melt ||Hades||.
neon bramble
Oh yeah than no I fully agree with you then
shell ice
I'm not saying that Styx is too long, I'm saying that it's too random
rough token
Quite a few people, even experienced and skilled players, have issues with TD2 in Styx. I personally haven't tried it, but I think it's more than just "git gud"
shell ice
yeah obviously the game's a roguelike so randomness will always be involved
but boon RNG is "fun randomness"
jade nacelle
Guess what you can choose not to play tight deadline.
shell ice
whereas "oops you got 5th door so your loadout, which would easily win in a 2nd/3rd door run, isnt good enough"
isn't very fun
lament stratus
Rng sack is never fun lol
neon bramble
Yeha I dont run TD2 because its just a little bit too short
rough token
That's not the point Kash
shell ice
@jade nacelle if the solution to "I think this gameplay mechanic needs adjustment" is "don't play it"
lament stratus
Rng sack is annoying even without tight deadline. Lmao
shell ice
doesn't that confirm that it does, indeed, need adjustment?
jade nacelle
What's the point, then? I've heard two. The first being that it's improperly balanced which, refer to my previous comment, I disagree with. The second is it isn't fun in which case you can choose not to use it.
shell ice
I mean if an optional part of the game isn't fun
I'd consider that something that they should look into making more fun
especially since TD is perfectly enjoyable unless you get bad Styx luck
jade nacelle
Something that isn't fun you doesn't mean it isn't fun for everyone.
shell ice
hell, TD is my preferred way to play up to elysium
lament stratus
I think it's fine to disagree, but this isn't an open and shut matter.
neon bramble
Im kind of on Kash's side. Some runs just arent created equally.
lament stratus
I already said I don't use TD in part because of this. But I still can make the suggestion for improvement.
neon bramble
TD puts a hard constraint on how to play the game, and is optional. Some builds just dont work for that
shell ice
Sure, but this is a pretty bleh form of "inequality"
boons create "inequality" but they also create gameplay variety
and interesting decisions and etcetc
anyway i'm not on a vendetta against the game because of this, I still like Hades - I just think that TD2 is needlessly random purely because of Styx
and could do with something to "bridge the gap" between 2nd door sack and 5th door sack
thorny arrow
Whats the average number of boons you guys get after the first region
shell ice
a slight time extension, whatever
jade nacelle
I feel inequality isn't an apt word to describe it. You can, optionally, choose to put a time constraint on yourself to test your speed and limits and that pressure IS the appeal.
shell ice
I mean, I'd be interested in seeing a poll of players who regularly play high heat/with TD2
whether they like the randomness of styx
neon bramble
What is considered "high heat"
shell ice
32+
in my eyes
since that's what the game "sort of" considers high heat beacuse of ||skelly statues||
lament stratus
I don't know about @shell ice but I would say that the appeal of testing oneself does demand a sense of consistency. Some rng is acceptable. Esp for a roguelike esp. But no one is saying that we don't want a challenge.
This is a direct criticism of how the challenge here is implemented.
It's like if room count varied. Some might like that. But I wouldn't.
shell ice
again i'm not asking for some massive rework here or whatever
just a slight time compensation for Styx potentially taking 150% longer in some runs
jade nacelle
I'm going to have to simply agree to disagree here. The time difference between getting the sack on the second door or fifth door is minutes and not by such a large disparity as to be unsurmountable in a challenge where the pressure of time is exactly the point. You take that into account and you play accordingly and if it isn't fun you don't do it and if you fall short maybe next time.
shell ice
"minutes" is a pretty big deal when the deadline is 7 minutes and ||the final boss fight takes 3 minutes on a "typical good build"||
lament stratus
And honestly I take issue with the fact that you keep saying don't do it. Lol I already said I don't. That's not a very encouraging thing to say. The games in early access and we want to share opinions to improve our experience.
shell ice
like in effect: in some runs, the final boss fight TD is 5 minutes, and on others it's 2 minutes
jade nacelle
For what's it worth, I understand. Playing an entire run where everything went great until then and it complicated things and losing when "if only it had been an earlier door" might have meant the difference between success or failure could be potentially frustrating. However, all I'm saying is I don't think it seems imbalanced, I think there's plenty of options, and at the end of the day it is optional.
lament stratus
Unless you're explicitly saying that you think removing sack rng would reduce YOUR fun.
Cause I'm not sure you're saying that.
jade nacelle
Are you talking to me, silver?
neon bramble
I think it just comes down to the fact that some runs/builds cant do it on high heat
I have had runs that clear rooms insanely quick but cant kill bosses and vice-versa
shell ice
yeah and i mean you could just argue "well, it's high heat anyway, so just run a more optimized build and reset until you get good boons from tartarus"
"better than resetting at the end of the run"
neon bramble
The way I see it is that high heat is a challenge mood, its meant to be difficult
shell ice
and admittedly this style of gameplay already is "kind of forced" on, say, 40+
but i just feel like TD (particularly TD2) is a more random heat penalty than it has to be
neon bramble
I wont disagree that artificially increasing difficulty through RNG isnt stupid but that is the whole nature of Styx
shell ice
the other heat penalties are fairly consistent; yeah the movespeed one makes exploding chariots tougher but for the most part they're fairly "smooth" from run to run
you know how much difficulty they'readding
when you sign up for them
but you DONT know how much difficulty TD will add
since that's dependent mostly on your styx rng
jade nacelle
For the sake of discussion, let me put aside my opinion for a moment and ask a question.
What would be your solution? For example, if it's adjusting tight deadline to give more time in Styx you've simply made later doors more doable and earlier doors not have any heat challenge associated with them. What would you do instead?
neon bramble
Id argue that you know exactly how much difficulty you are getting with TD. You know exactly how much time you will have for every section of the game
shell ice
if, after 3 doors, you haven't found the sack
add 1 minute to your TD timer
(number could be adjusted,this is just a rough idea)
if after 4 doors you still havent found it, add another 30 seconds
or whatever
something like that
this preserves the styx variance but makes it not affect TD as much
thorny arrow
That feels kind of weird. well. Does lambart plume already offer variable times per room because if so I feel better about that kind of thing
neon bramble
Okay but how would this be explained/imparted to the player? Because everything in the game so far (with the expection of ||extreme measures||) has been directly explained in a short tooltip
"You have x minutes to complete each section. Except for this finale one which is dependent on RNG"
shell ice
i'm not sure of a perfect solution, admittedly i dont have familiarity with player experience design; but maybe alongside the reward for the 3rd room, it could drop an "amended contract" item which adds time to the timer, and Zagreus could comment something like "looks like they're giving me more time to find the sack"
or whatever
again this isnt my specialty, and I don't think it's like a HUGE deal or whatever
but it's the one Heat penalty i feel like could have its experience improved
jade nacelle
Sigh. Apparently I used a bad word in my thoughtful response where I was trying to say I appreciate your effort, and the bot saw fit to delete it and I don't feel like recreating it.
I'm gonna go back to playing; it was nice discussing with everyone.
cedar rapids
first time the game is unstable... i just got my first total freeze
neon bramble
Lol yeah I saw the scolding it gave
rough token
Cya @jade nacelle ! Best of luck with your runs!
jade nacelle
Thanks, mate.
neon bramble
I understand your point @shell ice but I dont think theres any easy way to adjust it without making it needlessly complex or fundamentally changing how either styx or TD works IMO. I could also be wrong or just not thinking about it right but thats just my opinon
zealous light
"Electric Shot (Zeus): restored slight homing effect" <------ Yes!!! When they took away homing, it made this boon far worse.
lament stratus
Are you talking to me, silver?
@jade nacelle yes. Do you like the sack rng?
I honestly think sack rng could just be removed, or constrained to door 2 or 3. That seems like an easy fix imo. Unless ppl really like the sack rng?
neon bramble
Cant speak for him but I like the sack rng. I like the whole concept of styx and how it is
I dont know how much talking about styx would be considered spoilers
shell ice
its worth noting that styx RNG used to work fairly differently
as in, it wasnt nearly as random
you were basically guaranteed to get it after the 3rd door
i think technically you could get it after the 4th but it was super uncommon
this was ages ago though
neon bramble
I believe I started playing shortly before the Orphy patch
but I didnt really get deep into it until after the Nyx update
shell ice
yeah it was before that, i think it was changed before the steam release even
"release"
lament stratus
Hmm I played it at steam launch. It must have been before
shell ice
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
i dont think its like, some terrible blemish on the game or whatever fwiw
it's just in my opinion the "most variance-based" heat penalty by a considerable margin
jade nacelle
BEAT ||CHARON|| FOR THE FIRST TIME. Woah, that was rough.
Also, yes, I like Styx perfectly as it is. I love the change of pace from the other three areas, I think it's fun, and I like the decisions I have to make about whether or not to push for more upgrades or take what I have and fight ||Hades||.
shell ice
maybe having a more "random" effect isn't a bad thing, but it can create some feelsbad moments
neon bramble
Personally Benefits Package adds more variance on my runs than TD does
shell ice
oh yeah i think the gameplay experience of Styx is fairly enjoyable FWIW
hmmm actually
i guess i can see that infernape
but that variance is more inherently "interesting" since it provides new challenges to overcome
rather than just "hope your DPS is high enough for whatever threshold the RNG decides"
neon bramble
Getting the perk that increases their health on an already increased health heat is just annoying in Elesym (I cant spell)
lament stratus
I like the risk reward of Styx as well. Which is why I don't care about the sack lol
I actually didn't realize it was randomized for the longest time.
neon bramble
I guess I should also say that I might not be the right audience or something because Im still working my way up the heat levels. I suck with every weapon but the sword and Im only at heat 15
shell ice
yeah this is admittedly a more niche criticism
and i definitely think they should focus on the "overall gameplay experience"
rather than tweaking individual heat effects
neon bramble
But I do almost always have TD1 running because at worst its a free pact and at best an incentive to get my butt moving
Ive only had the timer hit 0 once and that was during an elysium boss fight that I was going to lose anyways
gusty slate
I can't use TD, I get real sloppy
narrow hemlock
i would say the average player in hades is going to be around 5-10 heat. i cant imagine people pushing like 30+ heat being more than a minority of the overall playerbase
lament stratus
I'm in the high teens atm (I go or by one) but I don't do td cause i usually prefer being carefree.
shell ice
yeah, hence my point
i definitely think dev time should be focused on more "holistic" things
that affect the majority of the playerbase
so i dont hold this as some terrible mark against the game or whatever
neon bramble
And I dont think the majority of players are really going to care about how tight TD2 is with styx
shell ice
but if I could selfishly change anything just for me
this is what I would change
personally
jade nacelle
Yeah, it might be worth mentioning my credentials giving how many opinions I'm throwing in here. I have every weapon to at least ten heat. I've tried a 32 heat run for ||the statue|| many times and have fallen just short several. I'm currently up to 16 heat on rail because I'm lovin' the new aspect.
Also, @lament stratus I guess you're right it isn't strictly the sack that offers the push or don't push mentality. I kind of associate it with the heal that comes with it.
shell ice
thats fair, the heal contributes more than the sack does honestly
lament stratus
I legit forgot the sack came with heal while having this discussion.
shell ice
to that specific dynamic, that is
neon bramble
Lol, lately in my heat grind Ive been full clearing styx less and less because going into ||hades|| with more health is usually worth more to me than another boon or pom or something
shell ice
[in fact, if anything the randomized sack reduces decision-making, since if you get sack on the 5th door you're forced to do all 5 no matter what]
oh yeah in general I'd recommend going into the fight with as much health as possible as your first priority
gusty slate
I rarely full clear Styx unless I'm real confident, never use TD however
shell ice
unless you have like, a very specific duo boon you're shooting for
or something
but i still like the risk/reward dynamic, it creates an interesting decision that really feels impactful
neon bramble
Yeah I havent started my duo boon hunt yet. I just finished the solo god full boon hunt like a week before the update
shell ice
(and like a great metaphor for the "hubris" theme that comes up so often in greek mythology)
gusty slate
Fully Loaded nightmares
neon bramble
Took me forever and a half to finally get all of Artemis's boons
lament stratus
I only go all five cause I think I'm gonna lose against the boss anyways haha and I need all the help
gusty slate
Yeah, I sometimes do that when I know I'm running a mediocre build lol
neon bramble
Ive only recently started to get a good feel of whether or not another boon or pom would actually help
neon bramble
so if I dont think a full clear is going to be more helpful than the health I would likely lose by full clearing I just dont bother
gusty slate
Depends on God for me, sometimes I'm trying to get rupture/jolted and they haven't given it to me yet ๐ฆ
shell ice
like if you have a build going that uses the crystal beam cast heavily, as well as the thing that extends the length of time that they last for
then poms are REALLY good
since each level on that gives +2 seconds
which is honestly an insane amount
whereas if your build is just a mishmash of random +damage effects, poms probably arent as good
neon bramble
Oh yeah, I just had a weird crystal beam run with that bow aspect that loads the cast into the shot
shell ice
sure, maybe you kill ||the hades boss|| in 3-4 fewer hits or whatever, but its really marginal
jade nacelle
Extra time with the beams especially if you have the auto-reload bloodstones is crazy.
All of sudden you're playing Dragonball Z
neon bramble
Well this has been a fun discussion but Im hungry and want to eat some food
Later y'all
gusty slate
Cya
jade nacelle
@neon bramble Later, man. It's been fun.
safe quartz
I have to say, I'm not the biggest fan of removing/nerfing interesting styles of play like the chaos shield and rama's special
there are some very powerful builds out there that are more effective than these
in my experience, rama special was always weaker than its basic strike as a build, even if you focused on it, and even when it was at its strongest
and chaos shield was a fun, fast-paced build that maybe needed a nerf of 1 shield...
if anything I want more unique play styles, not less
solid cosmos
woahh bone hourglass looks super sexy 
https://i.imgur.com/wcRNvmt.png
safe quartz
oop
I mis-read that
I should probably get in-game and see what changed before reacting
my sentiments remain the same tho 
gusty slate
Bow aspect didn't seem too bad, primary attack is still too slow for me xD
lament stratus
What happened to rama??
gusty slate
Less lock-on and slightly slower firing? for special with a primary sped up slightly I think
lament stratus
Hmm I guess that's understandable lol
Damn only played it once before this patch.
gusty slate
Seemed fine when I used it for a 15 heat run
Although I did have the fortune to get 30% special and +4 arrows
A better rail...
lament stratus
The new one you mean?
agile zodiac
If you really think about it, not just brush it off or whatever... Without giving it a minute..
The plot/drive of Hades is the movie Whiplash... Is it not?
t-t-t-t-think about it ^^
stone gust
Where should I post a bug report?
tall mural
F10
ionic zephyr
i got a new pc
and my framerate feels so smooth now
i need to play this way more now
lament stratus
I do not know the film. What is Whiplash? Lol
agile zodiac
i feel like maybe its smoother after the latest patch? Could be imagining.
Its a movie about a guy trying to become a great drummer, but he has this abusive oberbearing teacher/father type teacher.. So it like about their back and forth about that..
its great.. at any rate.
lament stratus
To be fair, the story of Hades is sorta like a classic child/parent situation. Haha. (on a side note. I very much appreciate the number of relationship foils sgg put into the game. Brilliant)
agile zodiac
Right.. Im not trying to say that the story of hades and his father is something thats been ripped from like a 2007 movie
gusty slate
Hey hey hey, Hades cares ๐ฆ
agile zodiac
2014
In the film ultimately does end up becoming really great.
sooooo
maybe hades is just pushing you!
he's really just a great guy and always were
glass pond
Best part of the patch "Lord Hades now slams his desk disapprovingly when he believes it is warranted"
gusty slate
^
agile zodiac
they should patch in throwing note stands at heads
viscid oriole
me and a friend of mine were just talking and the idea popped into our heads does anyone know when the games launch version comes will the early access people be getting anything special? like a special costume or something like that ? just out of curiosity if anyone knows
narrow hemlock
alt costumes wont be a thing in this game due to how the animation is done
quaint wind
and so far they have made no announcements for anything for early accessors
viscid oriole
okay! thanks guys i appreciate the quick responses ๐
lament stratus
@agile zodiac I'm already betting money that that's the ending of Hades. Lol it'd be hilarious if it ends up matching the film more.
neat plank
Is the green thing on Artemis' head a helmet or is that already her hair?
agile zodiac
@viscid oriole Presumably no. It seem to be the custom though to give early access players some little "i was here and all i got was this stupid pin"-pin.. Or whatever.
Anyways.. you should go for early access if you want to play a game in early access based on what that is and how its intended to work.
Doing it because schwag is the wrong reason.. That's what pre-orders are for - not early access.. Apparently.
fierce lichen
Any plans to put in an auto-pause when controller dies?
agile zodiac
good suggestion and shouldnt be difficult report it ingame and its more likely that they will file through it.. And if they file through it they'll probably but it in
rough token
You could also bring it up in #hades-feedback
fierce lichen
Thanks! Wasn't sure where to file it. Lost on my best run so far to a dead controller. lol
rough token
oof, yeah
if you read the pins in #hades-feedback they'll tell you how to get permission to post in it
fierce lichen
Thanks again. Posted it in #hades-feedback so hopefully it'll get addressed.
night mountain
hey i need a really big favour from someone
actually nvm
i just look like a phishing scam
outer comet
Gurl what
night mountain
so basically
i had about 78 hours worth of progress on a save
and then my friend wanted me to play for him
so i signed in on his steam on my pc
and overwrote my save file
night mountain
i thought it would have local files idk ahha
so yeah if someone with similar hours wants to let me save their cloud save to mine that would be very cash money
oh well
i love this game
so its just a fresh stary
outer comet
Well mine has less progress than that
rough token
you can just transfer the actual game files
outer comet
But if someone else offers
rough token
you don't even need to use the cloud
outer comet
^
night mountain
pls show me how
rough token
okay, the files are located in /documents/Saved Games/Hades
you can have someone send you theirs (or grab one from the speedrunning website) and then just copy the new one in, and have it overwrite whatever is already there
night mountain
ooooooh
could you send me a website with one of those
if thats at all possible
thank you so much btw
ill never do something this stupid again
rough token
don't have the link off the top of my head, looking for it
night mountain
you're a saviour bro
rough token
what you can do next time is copy your save files into another folder btw, then do that
then you can just overwrite back with your own save
ionic zephyr
15 keys for 1 titan blood is an extremely good deal right?
outer comet
Absolute banger of a deal
ionic zephyr
lucky me
narrow hemlock
you will run out of uses for keys early on so yeah that is always a great deal
night mountain
playing this game with irl dionysus debuffs is wacky
rough token
hmm, the speedrunning website only has a complete save file, as far as I can see
I'd offer mine, but I'm well over 100 hours in and I don't think that's what you're looking for
echo grail
so does the last boss ever get an extreme measures fight, or a hard mode or anything? Or is the fight just the fight?
rough token
aight. if no one has sent you one by the time I finish my run, I can shoot it off to you
narrow hemlock
@echo grail ||maybe for 1.0 but for now no||
rough token
o7
rough token
@night mountain DM'd you
hollow halo
extreme measures idea: ||spin now has same size multiplier as hades aspect||
cobalt anvil
Oh dear god no
rough token
|| It's multiplied by your EM level ||
brisk trail
Nourished Soul and Premium Vintage don't proc Family Favorite?
low fiber
thorny arrow
just curious why was hunting blades removed from beowulf aspect?
ionic zephyr
i got such a loaded cast build i don't think i need my own weapon anymore tbh
artemis cast + dislodge damage + artemis + 2 cast stock
not against bosses anyway
gusty slate
If only I get that with Hera
frigid raven
narrow hemlock
he has no reason to fight u
sour nebula
is this game out yet
granite ether
In early access yes, 1.0 is however slated to release later this year (no annonced date yet)
neon bramble
Well its "out" in teh terms that you can buy it and play it
lament stratus
Whoa, wait a second. I just got a chaos thing JUST before a boss. So I went Shop > Boss > Stairway > First level
these 4 areas all count towards the chaos req?
lol
i had no idea...i've always avoided chaos at the end like this
brisk trail
Oh, a 4 chamber Enshrouded Curse?
lament stratus
Yes!
brisk trail
Yeah, if you get it right before the boss shop it expires exactly as you enter the overlook chamber.
It's great.
cerulean grove
hi, i recently bought hades and been playing for a couple of hours
lament stratus
holy crap dude. 155 runs, and i just realized this XD
cerulean grove
and i just found a bug i think
lament stratus
go on, nahu
cerulean grove
i have it on video
probably somebody has reported it yet
but anyways i'm gonna report it just in case
where i can do it?
can i*
lament stratus
I do not know other than reporting in game with F10. But you have video. So maybe the feedback/tech channels?
ionic zephyr
the more i plat
play*
the more i discover how powerful every cast can be
i have ares + demeter cast + boon that causes blade rifts to pull in enemies
and the 10 stack cold explosion
it basically wipes out anything that gets inside it
cobalt anvil
Have you tried Blizzard Shot yet?
ionic zephyr
game crashed during hades fight
and i lost that entire run's progress
that is crushing
well not game
entire pc did
cobalt anvil
F
narrow hemlock
uh you might still be able to recover it
thorny arrow
Hm, does aspect of aries (absorb blast for damage buff) not apply when using the rocket launcher daedalous upgrade?
high island
It should work.
sullen rampart
is the hidden aspect of the twin fists in game?
or only shield hidden aspect is new?
meager sky
naw the hidden aspect isnt in yet for twin fists o:
stiff trellis
malphon doesn't have a fourth aspect yet
sullen rampart
ok thanks
stiff trellis
doesn't? Don't?
sullen rampart
doesn't
stiff trellis
I suppose it's the name of the pair, not the individual gauntlets
sterile light
@outer comet thanks dude ๐
vast junco
@thorny arrow eris with rocket bomb does work
you have to be in the explosion area, generally
it's not hard to do
icy dune
I see that the wiki isn't updated, is there a place to find what the new duo boons do and what their requirements are? If this is the wrong channel my bad, please just point me in the right direction.
raw cape
As far as I know there isn't. However knowing what you need isn't too hard. Just look at the patchnotes to see what effect the duo has. You should easily be able to infer what boons you need.
Requirements are always "core boons" (attack, special, cast, dash, call) with the exception of cold fusion which needs jolted
For example for freezing vortex it's fairly self evident that you just need slicing shot and any core demeter boon
runic zodiac
Is there a 4th aspect for malphon?
scenic ruin
quick question, in the past ive been told to report using the F10 report system but is there a way to report with multiple pictures / vids of the bug happening ?
rough token
Not really, if you feel like that much detail is needed bring it up in #h1-tech-support @scenic ruin
rough token
o7
outer comet
@sterile light Did you get why? XD
sterile light
for the hall of fame?
granite ether
@hard thistle, @hearty harness regarding your recent posts in #hades-feedback please report bugs/glitches with the in game bug reporter (F10) the feedback channel is not intended for reporting bugs or glitches, and thus the posts have been removed
hardy trail
Anyone else feel like the Ares cast is a tad weak on Beowulf shield? It's really hard to land and the damage feels kind of lackluster. Is the Ares legendary boon a must have to be able to kill Hades? Maybe I just built it wrong / played really badly but I was a tad surprised by hunting blades getting removed from the weapon aspect and was curious about other people's stance
thorny arrow
I am curious why they did that. Was it too strong otherwise?
dusky lark
Does anyone else feel like aphro is a little underwhelming or is that just me
slow snow
so
hypthetically
if I had Poseidon's call
and then the boon that makes it last longer and pull foes in
and then I SOLD the call
and got a different call like athenas for example
would it still last longer and pull foes in?
dusky lark
slow snow
please I need an answer
void vigil
if the boon is specific to poseidon's effects, it wouldnt affect athena's call, but if its generally for calls, it would
slow snow
void vigil
seems like it would probably affect calls in general 
only one way to find out
topaz crystal
Prev one, a mini patch, hotfixed alt tab I think.
topaz crystal
I was surprised by how decently Zeus' base cast worked in Tartarus, it handled the skele heads spread here and there pretty neatly.
hearty torrent
Zeus' cast deals twice as much damage as the normal health of a numbskull. very good for cleaning them up.
drifting tusk
Is beating the game in 23 attempts good?
topaz crystal
It's different for everyone. Congrats on your first win!
It'll all... Heat up from now on. If you want.
real storm
yeah
drifting tusk
Ok thanks
buoyant merlin
Are there any duo combinations you think would make sense but surprisingly aren't a thing in the game?
slim flicker
Maybe i just havnt found it yet, but Poseidon + Demeter freezing stuff solid, like a stun
high island
All combinations have a Duo Boon now.
real storm
hermes is not a normal god
most of the things that apply to other gods dont apply to hermes
buoyant merlin
Wouldn't you need 64 different skills to get a duo skill for every god? Looking on the wiki theres definitely less than that
ah
ty sparta
real storm
np
slim flicker
How long do i have to keep playing the god damn harp to fulfill the prophecy?
silk flint
How is performance for everyone after the last update. I have latest drivers (i7-4720HQ CPU @ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB RAM, GTX 960M) and FPS are all over the place. It jumps quite aggressively between 30-60 FPS, and I fail to see a cause. I donโt remember it being that bad, though itโs been a while since I played it last time.
high island
You should ask for help in #h1-tech-support. Maybe try the fixes in #h1-tech-fixes. 
silk flint
@slim flicker it took me quite a while. I think the trick is that Orpheus needs to comment on it twice, and if he is pre-occupied with his own subplot it might take a while before he gets to your playing. It took me a long time, before he gave me my first lesson, but a short time before I finished this quest afterwards.
I also think you need to โpracticeโ between runs. I donโt think using harp a lot in one go will do anything.
slim flicker
Yeah i do it inbetween runs, just feels like i've been at it forever now
high island
@buoyant merlin there are 28 Duo Boons now. That's one for every combo! 64 would be counting every combo twice and also combos like Lord Ares + Lord Ares.
buoyant merlin
You must admit that a lord ares x lord ares combo would be pretty deadly
slim flicker
The Daedalus enchantment for Coronacht "Concentrated Volley" is not on the wiki, is there any special requirement for it?
high island
That's probably just because it's new.
slim flicker
thats fair. Had quite a few Rama and Chiron runs, but never found it. Gonna try a Zag run
buoyant merlin
Don't see an Ares x Wine god boon on the wiki yet
high island
Yeah, the wiki is not up to date.
Not a lot of people working on it, and there's a lot to add.
hearty torrent
I only update things as I see them in-game. I cross-reference with the game code in the cases it's necessary.
So yeah, it'll take a while until the wiki's caught up to Blood Price and beyond.
torn steppe
I just posted in the feedback channel with what I expected to be a no-brainer of a suggestion and immediately caught a downvote. Given that my complaint boils down to "the game shouldn't hand you impossible situations" I was wondering where the other side is coming from in this case.
outer comet
People are entitled to their own opinion.
You don't need to come for them in this channel.
hearty torrent
@granite ether i noticed you've been setting upvote/downvote in #hades-feedback the past four hours, is StyxBot not working?
void vigil
yeah, styxbot is down
hearty torrent
RIP
torn steppe
My intention wasn't to "come for" anyone. I'm just interested in their reasoning.
void vigil
also, donโt worry about downvotes, as supergiant read every piece of feedback regardless of the number of votes it has
@drifting pawn you could download the save from here, though its from after the blood price update https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources
topaz crystal
Deflecting the wave attack is a bit wonky with the base fists imo.
high island
Try using Dash-Strikes for that.
Sometimes you just have to get out of the way because the lock-on to nearby enemies won't let you face the right direction.
topaz crystal
I noticed the problem mainly during Wavehead Hydra.
soft rampart
i'm the guy that asked what i was doing wrong with the bow. tried to use your suggestions: started to use dash strikes and got the aspect of hera with dionysus cast and it's a beast
brisk trail
Hello
Is there a way to change the save file destination ?
I can't seem to take off the read-only attribute so I would like to change the directory altogether
quartz flume
@torn steppe I actually had the same problem with skulls stacking hearts, couldn't do anything with a bow, they just ate me with 3 DDs in Tartarus
But I could formulate a countering opinion. It's a rogue-like, if you encounter an enemy with an insufficient build or weapon, you die and start over
patent topaz
@spiral turtle we're gonna get steam achievments but only when the game comes out of early access!
void vigil
hey @lament fjord, please report bugs with F10 in-game instead of the feedback channel!
jaunty violet
why do you love that sound so much @void vigil ๐
high island
alma adds both up- and downvotes to all the feedback posts because the bot is down.
jaunty violet
haha makes sense. was kidding anyway people are free to like it haha
manic bobcat
Oh wow thank you alma for putting the up and downvote button manually
Can't believe the bots are slacking again
raw cape
Hello, guyz, can u tell me how to open 4th apect (Aegis for example)? - I've already got Aspect of Guan Yu and invest 5 Bloods in Aegis
void vigil
styx is sleeping 
jaunty violet
wait til you get conversation with chaos i think
manic bobcat
Please check pin message in #h1-story-discussion
brisk trail
Dammit, Hypnos, stop putting the bots to sleep.
void vigil
chaos some new content in this update, so it might be queued up
jaunty violet
yeah took me like 4 convos with artemis before she talked to me about my bow
because if you're unlocking quickly there;s lots of queued convos
raw cape
ah, ok, thank u!
void vigil
hey @vague zinc please report bugs with F10 in game instead of using the feedback channel!
distant ruin
What are these statues people unlock? I see some people have them when I watch yt videos but I never saw anything about them ingame
And I see way too many people having beat the game using the sword a lot more than any other weapon while a cant do anything with the sword, which aspects are most used on the sword?
jaunty violet
statues show up after talking with skelly and unlocking heat i think
sword i've used both Zag and <hidden>
dash attacks OP
distant ruin
I have just beat the game the first time, I think I havent played with heat yet
I really want to unlock hidden sword
manic bobcat
Swords are really a toss up between the latter 3 aspects
I think Nemesis is reliable and easy to use
jaunty violet
i don't see the point in the disloge one when using the regen mirror talent. unless you build for it specifically
distant ruin
same
jaunty violet
the crit one is nice though
manic bobcat
Basically the most vanilla of the latter 3. But boring is best.
jaunty violet
just didn't have the blood things yet to lvl it
balmy goblet
Achilles spear is so god damn good right now
brisk trail
One of the sword's Aspects is very strong with Infernal Soul.
jaunty violet
got Zag maxed. zag spear, zag shield, charon bow, zaqg fists and zag rail maxed since they are the cheapest. but charon too good not to max haha
cobalt anvil
Infernal Soul can still be dislodged from enemies and deals damage if you have exit wound
brisk trail
Stygian Soul also works the same way, just doesn't drop a pick-up.
Exit Wounds still functions normally.
cobalt anvil
I would even say that the lodging potential of Infernal Soul is even great than Stygian Soul
In fact, let me show you a glimpse of its potential
brisk trail
Well, that's with Stygian Soul.
sleek obsidian
Okay so I used a god charm and there was a hammer so I guess I just have it on me now?
brisk trail
You had 17 Bloodstones?
sleek obsidian
Okay it activated on ||Erebus|| lmao
brisk trail
You stumbled into a combined +14 Prometheus Stones and Chaos Grasps?
11, if you had Fully Loaded.
cobalt anvil
No this was in the Nighty Night Update
With Dual Shot and everything you just listed
brisk trail
Show me the footage.
Because I remember a very long stretch of time where it did not.
brisk trail
And to my knowledge Mirage Shot does not.
Okay, you tag me whenever you get the chance.
cobalt anvil
Sure will
quaint bramble
To be clear vigeroy, are you referring to the cast ability that regenerates, or the one that gives you three casts that you have to retrieve?
cobalt anvil
The one that regenerates every 3 seconds
brisk trail
That is Stygian Soul.
brisk trail
finite lichen
Is it just me or does post-patch Lucifer feels really, really bad with how the iframes on the dodge go
brisk trail
I feel like I'm not getting i-frames even when not attacking.
finite lichen
There's like a spool-down timer we're not seeing or something, right?
brisk trail
Yesterday Haelian died to the MM Power Couple Divine Dashing over the shockwave.
Maybe?
Ate 17 damage every single time despite clearly not attacking before or after.
eternal helm
guys when u play hades don't alt tab, i just lost a run because of that
void vigil
is your game up to date?
mystic sphinx
i dont have that issue its probably just a you issue
narrow hemlock
looks at all the times ive left the game alt tabbed haha
jaunty violet
Pro tip just never stop playing so you never have to alt tab
gray basalt
after 150 runs, its the first time i died in Asphodel not on hydra
the gods giving me their "congrats" feels weird 
worthy egret
Reminds me of the time i was playing league of legends, panic burned all my important spells and almost died because i was a dumbass and my character went "You did well!"
frail forum
Mates pleas i need a chair in the euredica room
copper sandal
Hi, do you know who is the illustrator of this beautiful game ?pls
frail forum
Someones from supergigant :p
rough token
@frail forum you could mention that in #hades-feedback :P
frail forum
Ah xD you know too much canals here
rough token
And abzu, Jen Zee is I believe their primary artist
You can look on their website for more information about their team
high island
You can also check the credits in the game.
rough token
@vague zinc because of how Zag is draw (sprite-based, instead of a model) it's very unlikely that we'd get skins
frail forum
hmm
interesting
Skins maybe could be very interesting thing but in my opinion mr zag have legit dress and very cool eyes
rough token
Yup
A change in colors could be interesting, but ultimately I think it would take away from the game ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
narrow hemlock
heres the steam thread about it btw https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1864993755183591660/#c1864993755185620425
rough token
I do think having a chair in Eurydice's room would be cool (though Zag probably wouldn't be able to sit in it :P)
frail forum
if zag get some dresses by plot and it would have logical sense of that dresses, i tell why not
why
narrow hemlock
everyone has chronic 'i refuse to sit down ever' problems
frail forum
XD
narrow hemlock
hypnos is the one that comes the closest purely bc he curls up while he floats lol
frail forum
it could be easter egg like by 10 time you click at chair and then he sit and jusssst listen and by time his eyes and screnn would slowly shut down
he floats /sit on his cloak
void vigil
zag will never sit
jaunty violet
i want him to be able to be forced to sit but then cuts to game over and then climbs back out of the water
narrow hemlock
Zag: Let us hereby have better seating, on which I shall never rest, you mark my words
that one and his "I have this crippling compulsion to commission objects I am never ever going to sit on" lines are some of my fav contractor lines
jaunty violet
I love how grumpy Hades gets about all th erenos
rough token
What language do you speak?
jaunty violet
meduza is the french name for her too in mythology
frail forum
polish
sturdy oasis
does +%attack damage give more damage to dash attacks?
lavish comet
So... I approved the fishing in rivers. Where do I do it? And how?
carmine ravine
theres fishing points that appear randomly
floral shore
Listen for the "ding".
past mirage
They appear as small columns of light emerging from the water, and are difficult to see. You really need to watch for the sound.
carmine ravine
yea some sound cues are very important, sometimes i even miss chaos boons if i turned off the sound
worthy egret
Zag also says something about them sometimes
Honestly im so glad Zag tells me everything thats going on
One would think it gets annoying but in all the chaos of the gameplay its welcome
lavish comet
Listen for the "ding".
@floral shore Hmmmm :\ problematic as I am hearing-Impaired. Will Zag say something like "Hmmm fishing spot" (like almost close to what Geralt would say)
carmine ravine
u can see the line usually
lavish comet
u can see the line usually
@carmine ravine Alrighty, and thank you!
frail forum
yep
Zag is good fella who wanna just get out of hades
and sometimes giving gifts to some his (girl)friendss
and pals
narrow hemlock
@lavish comet if you have a controller with vibrate function i would highly recommend having it on hand even if you play kbm, and use the vibration for fishing. but mostly you're gonna have to be a bit keen, fishing spots are bright but hardest to spot in elysium typically bc of all the fog
carmine ravine
what is zag relationship with death?
carmine ravine
no i mean thanatos
carmine ravine
yea but what his relationship, is it sibling like?
narrow hemlock
no
nyx serves as a sort of stand in mother figure for zag since he has such a bad relationship with his own father, and thanatos and hypnos are both nyx's actual sons, but thats about it
flat vapor
best friends i'd say
frail forum
okay
flat vapor
angsty ones but still
frail forum
so thanatos is aspect of death sort of
lavish comet
@lavish comet if you have a controller with vibrate function i would highly recommend having it on hand even if you play kbm, and use the vibration for fishing. but mostly you're gonna have to be a bit keen, fishing spots are bright but hardest to spot in elysium typically bc of all the fog
@narrow hemlock Ooooh, so it is in Elysium... LOL was hoping to fish in Asphodel (magma fishes??? anyone?)
flat vapor
"death" covers a few gods, thanatos is of dying (iirc peaceful dying)
frail forum
frikin fishes
narrow hemlock
you can fish in all 4 biomes, its just that elysium are hardest to spot sometimes
frail forum
hmm onyx intrerssting
narrow hemlock
you can find fishing points in tart, aspho, elysium, styx and sometimes in chaos
flat vapor
hades is god of the dead, an important distinction
lavish comet
And thank you for the suggestion with Controller, I'll use it!
narrow hemlock
i play with controller and to be frank i would probably have less successful fish catches with kbm, theres a very light vibration while youre waiting, and then a heavy distinct vibration when a fish is on the line
i just wait for the vibration indication and hit the button as soon as i feel it, dont even have to pay attention to the screen
unkempt ibex
Is there a way to get decent images of the various rooms? Laziness on my part, but a lot of them would make good battlemaps for D&D online
carmine ravine
fishing makes me shaky and nervous
lavish comet
So finding the fishing spot is a light vibration? (uses my PS4 just to be SURE)
narrow hemlock
it only vibrates when you start fishing, unfortunately theres no indicator for when a fish is in the room other than the audio cue after enemies are defeated, which is why i point out elysium spots are harder to see
usually they'll have like this.. small shaft of light sort of? to make them easier to spot
real storm
Zag will also mention it if you're kinda close
carmine ravine
not always iirc
tiny fiber
Did I play just really badly, or does the dodge with Lucifer Aspect work differently then with other weapons/aspects? I felt like I got hit by just about everything last run. I read in the patch notes that there where some issues with the Lucifer dodge in the last built and they changed something. But I have no idea, what I can dodge and what not, now.
noble root
Just noticed poseidon cast loses its push abilities when youre with beowulf aspect
is it intended?
raw cape
Is there no way to play Hades offline if you the Epic Version?
Nvm found the .exe
Was looking in x86 instead of program files
real storm
Is there a point giving charon ambrosia?
neon bramble
Completion
raw cape
No point in giving any non-legendary keepsake person ambrosia yet
real storm
Ok thanks
lavish comet
Zag will also mention it if you're kinda close
@real storm Yep, he did say, and found one in Styx temple! Failed on fishing tho
carmine ravine
you need to press it when the float is fully in the water
rough token
(you don't need to post it twice)
lavish comet
you need to press it when the float is fully in the water
@carmine ravine Yeah, just my mind went on "Stardew Valley" fishing mode, as I have to use [key] to hold it ๐
carmine ravine
oof
lavish comet
Yep, this is what happens when you play various games with vast different fishing methods, it makes you to have a muscle memory!
carmine ravine
yea just like different "action" buttons
sage marten
ladies and gentlemen hear my wisdom for i shall enlighten you on how2fish
solar dirge
@rough token ahhh ok
sage marten
cover the spot where the buoy floats with your finger and press E when you see the white flash
lavish comet
I should stop now or try another run hmmmm.... Tired or motivated to kick up again.... hmmmm
rough token
(or the correct controller button)
sage marten
or the correct controller button
rough token
:3
sage marten
that tends to give you perfect fishes most of the time unless you have poor reflexes
or any health issues regarding that
lavish comet
W-w-what finger? Where to put my finger?!
sage marten
... the screen
carmine ravine
hmmm
sage marten
literally just cover the floaty bit with your finger
rough token
can confirm, last time I didn't get a perfect catch was earlier this run when I wasn't paying attention. Other than that I almost always get one
thorny arrow
Oh thats a lot better than my current method of engaging safety squints
sage marten
it's an incredibly stupid trick but it works wonders
literally just put your finger where the lure is
and presto
lavish comet
literally just cover the floaty bit with your finger
@sage marten -Still extremly confused- But I do see the fishing spot!
sage marten
the lure
carmine ravine
i kinda want a clear sound cue for it so fishing is easier
sage marten
as soon as you start fishing put your finger on the screen so it covers the lure
also iirc it has a fishing cue
both the perfect catch screen and the fishing spot proper
but it's generally safer to cover the spot with your finger so you won't get distracted by the fakeouts
lavish comet
Okay (assuming I understood the finger part). And I press E. And... that's it?
coarse junco
How do you know if itโs a perfect catch or not
narrow hemlock
it'll say perfect catch
sage marten
perfect catches happen when you press the button fast enough
narrow hemlock
you have a very tiny window for it
this is why i controller for fishing, i can react faster to the vibration than i can the light flash on the screen
sage marten
yeah, just go to the fishing spot, press the fishing button and then cover the lure with your finger, then press the fishing button as soon as you see a white flash
coarse junco
Ouch. I guess I never got one before then lol
lavish comet
yeah, just go to the fishing spot, press the fishing button and then cover the lure with your finger, then press the fishing button as soon as you see a white flash
@sage marten On the screen? I am starting to get it. I'll try again.
The dilema I am having is to do another run again or hydrate myself
sage marten
yes
as i mentioned earlier just cover the spot with your finger
as to avoid getting baited by the fakeouts
modern problems require modern solutions
carmine ravine
your lord and saviour is a liar and you know it @sage marten
sage marten
and so forth
how dare you accuse the most holy hodd toward of lying
clearly every promise he's ever made has been delivered
nowgobuyfalloutfirst
lavish comet
modern problems require modern solutions
@sage marten
fringe osprey
I get perfect catches every time on MnK, once you have been doing it for a while you can kinda tell when it might bite
buoyant merlin
Iโll a little confused with the god specific keepsakes. They say they guarantee the next boon you get but that simply isnโt true
fringe osprey
Like, I have no way to describe it other than the bobbing has a rhythm, but it's not always the same
I've never had issues with the god specific keepsakes.
Hermes can cut in line, I think, but I've always had that god's boon offered the next time I have a choice of rooms
fringe osprey
He has voice lines for it.
buoyant merlin
Hopeyoudontmindpalbutiwasfixingtotalktoyoubeforemypalshopeitsnotanissiehahaha
rough token
I followed most of that
but what were the last 2 words?
after hope its not...?
ohh, not an issue?
dusk wasp
an issue
flat vapor
mechanically, hermes doesnโt count for god keepsakes bc heโs not treated like one
rough token
he's a god in our hearts
flat vapor
well, heโs considered a god for family favorite at least
real storm
Athena is the god that gives seath definces back right
rough token
yeah
dusk wasp
pro-tip: get a nasty sunburn before playing so you too can feel like you are in asphodel
no i am not okay
fringe osprey
bro-tip: eat a bucket of raw chicken before playing so you too can feel like you are poisoned
if you survive, the protein will fuel your gains
dusk wasp
fro-tip: eat a tub of ice cream before playing so you too can feel like you are with demeter
narrow hemlock
do you guys need some help
dusk wasp
all i need is aloe vera and shelter
dusk wasp
i just said gopher chucks five times out loud,, i still dont know what it means
fringe osprey
You should watch Kung Fury sometime.
dusk wasp
oke doke
real storm
Whats it about
real storm
Cool
buoyant merlin
I hope hades boons are a thing in the full release
I also hope ||you can improve your relationship with him because Iโd love to see them in better terms in the future||
dusk wasp
i feel like ||unless the ending has a plot twist, having hades and zag like each other will make hades trying to stop zag from escaping make less sense||
buoyant merlin
Mating they come to some mutual respect and continue to do it out of sport
Or maybe itโs not perfect but at the very least he isnโt throwing passive aggressive jabs every time you walk by him haha
lavish comet
||Same. Zagreus doesn't deserve all the bad talk from his father, I mean, why he is like that to Zagreus, aside from him trying to reach to the surface?||
buoyant merlin
We might be finding out in 1.0
This is what I love about super giant characters is that they start 1 note and then more layers slowly reveal themselves
lavish comet
||Unless we're going by Orphism legend, that he is part of Dionysus. Or another one that he is pitting animals doesn't harm them? I Need to relook in wiki or other sources||
buoyant merlin
Put it on ps5 so I can get kratos aspects
fringe osprey
|| Hades see Zagreus as ungrateful and lazy, and he's not entirely wrong in that regard. Hades has been trying to raise Zagreus by himself. Zag has never met his mother. Nyx was filling in, sure, but Hades was left by the woman he loved enough to have a son with. His only son, mind you. And he still has the underworld to run! A job that he didn't choose to do, but does out of duty. It's heavily implied that he cannot leave. Zag, meanwhile, has never tried to see things from his father's perspective, which is typical of children. He doesn't learn quickly, slacks at his work, and chooses not to do it because it's boring. Hades doesn't know what to do with him and obviously doesn't understand how to teach him to do the things that he does and since both of them are bad at communication, it boils over without them ever coming to a resolution. ||
buoyant merlin
You need two | on each end
old plover
I have bonded with dusa and meg and I still can't give aphrodite gifts
buoyant merlin
You simp for hades I see
jade nacelle
In regards to Charon and the shop, ||does anyone have a strategy for completing the Hermes/Charon wager in the prophecies? I heard you have to beat him in two consecutive runs which only have a 22% chance of him showing up in any run||
fringe osprey
|| There is fault on both sides, but more of it rests on Hades' shoulders for not being a responsible parent. The underworld is definitely a heavy responsibility, but Zagreus is his son and should come first. Hades is the adult. Zag is basically a rebellious teenager. The analogy isn't perfect, since they're immortal greek gods, but you can see what I'm getting at. ||
|| There are also a lot of things we don't know for sure, like why Hades can't leave the underworld and why Persephone felt she had to leave forever and abandon her son, but I honestly think that learning more will only paint Hades in a more sympathetic light. To be plain, I don't think Hades actions are excusable, but they're understandable. He doesn't have infinite patience or power, and everyone cracks under a certain amount of weight. ||
lavish comet
||But why Persephone left Hades? Why leaving behind a baby god behind and not take him with her? That's like some serious family break up that it shudders remind me some of myself during my childhood years. I can identify with Zagreus to some degree||
Okay, you know what
To you, the team behind of this game - That is some god-tier plot you're doing here. Don't you ever let anyone stop you from continuing!
Makes me wanna continue to play the game EVEN more, for the PLOT!
buoyant merlin
"Pah.. fine Boy.. if you really think this game of catch will deepen our ties then I shall not question it."
fringe osprey
lmao
lavish comet
That's Hades saying that? What he is, a Tsundere pop?! But that's very cute!
lavish comet
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
narrow hemlock
fun fact, they have been working on content specifically for the ending this entire year so far
lavish comet
If he said that in game, my sides would orbit the sun
narrow hemlock
its been mentioned offhandedly here and there so i cant recall exact mentions but it makes me 
about whatever we're gonna get
buoyant merlin
"Even after having given birth to all matter the bonding nature of this "catch" game eludes me. Respond."
lavish comet
fun fact, they have been working on content specifically for the ending this entire year so far
@narrow hemlock That's a real dope dedication! I applause to you, SG team!
buoyant merlin
What would've really been cool is if we found out that ||Zags mother was from norse mythology||
Theres no voice channels here, but I was gonna stream the game if anyone wanted to join
I can't guarantee competent play
manic bobcat
We going the God of War route I see
lavish comet
||That'll blow a lot of minds. And confuse us on their level on gods power.... -stcratches head-||
buoyant merlin
I'm totally fine with a sequel or elaborate expansion that is norse themed.
buoyant merlin
They called me... Loki..?
shell ice
if only we had any primary sources for norse mythology
shell ice
โ
buoyant merlin
Make a duo boon for hermes and Zeus would be the ability to send an e-mail
ancient tundra
Name it Z-mail
lavish comet
They called me... Loki..?
@buoyant merlin Knowing that Loki is a trickster like Dionysus and somewhat Zag as well, and their circumstances, they'll actually go to a bar and have a feast over their BFF friendships.
buoyant merlin
That'd be neat. To see all the interactions between the norse and greek gods. Maybe the second game has Zag hooking up with someone from that side of mythology and the familys meet lmao
Might be too lighthearted of a premise
jade nacelle
Does "Perfect Catch" when fishing actually do anything?
flat vapor
yes, it allows you to catch tier 3 fish
regular catch: tier 1 and 2 fish
perfect catch: tier 2 and 3 fish
jade nacelle
Awesome; thank you. Guess I need to try harder when fishing.
cobalt anvil
The reworked Chaos fish reward seem so bad
stiff trellis
I'm just happy to see them appear
jade nacelle
Yeah, farming gemstones and darkness is the hardest thing to do; I'd much rather have access to ways to get that than the previous bonuses they offered.
brisk trail
Hey i got a question
Is there a plan for an endless mode with endless floors ?
That you can just keep going
granite ether
Apart from what's in the roadmap no idea sleepfu
minor hornet
does anyone know what the end-run tag "Favored & Envied" indicates?
I'm guessing multiple trial of the gods per run
manic bobcat
Exactly
cobalt anvil
Any body love the UI designs from SSG pass games like me? Hope that Hades will have an UI of the same quality in 1.0
manic bobcat
Interesting, I actually find UI to be the weakest part of Hades.
I love the game, don't get me wrong.
But to me the boon menu is confusing
Chamber number can't be displayed unless you access said menu
I am nitpicking but while UI is decent, it pales in comparison to other aspects of the game.
dusk wasp
is beowulf aspect aphrodite cast supposed to be able to deflect?