Yes, but not advertising an expired giveaway is probably safer.
#h1-discussion
brisk trail
narrow hemlock
honestly they may not even be aware of that
lofty lodge
Oh so it's not my caching issue at all?
narrow hemlock
I don't know, really
it's hard to say
might be worth throwing a mention in either feedback or tech support to be sure they see it, perhaps
proud silo
So, how does one unlock all the new legendary aspects?
lofty lodge
Popped it in feedback
sharp parcel
@proud silo I believe it's mentioned in the patch notes, just look through em
proud silo
ah alright
narrow hemlock
Also check pins in #h1-story-discussion
white cedar
Is it just me, or is one of these new bone hydra's heads looks like Oralech from Pyre?
brisk trail
Oh.
white cedar
I mean, if so, then its pretty subtle, but both colour and shape of his horns matches with that of oralech
wind nest
Maybe Jen zee just likes drawing devil horns like that
flat vapor
demon lernie demon lernie
wind nest
If you look at some of her unaffiliated work these horns have shown up before
lavish locust
Oh. x2
vague zinc
Is the charon boss fight access random? I fought him once and the coin hasn't appeared again so far
vague zinc
Ooh ok
cobalt helm
I got it in my 4th room
astral flume
hoping this is the right place to ask... So i unlocked the new bow and rail aspects, but after visiting Chaos multiple times, still no new phrase to unlock the new shield. Am i missing something? i have all the other aspects
sleek shard
according to the notes, that should be all you need, but maybe you need to booze them up a bit? idk
astral flume
strange... maybe i need to wrap up the Chaos-Nyx dialogue errands first. there seems to be some story added between those two
warm hedge
I don’t even have any other aspects
Just like, the spear one
Haven’t played in a while
sleek shard
yeah, I know I waited what felt like a dozen runs to advance a plotline because there were a bunch of other nyx lines I had to get through first or smth
warm hedge
I literally got it on my first run talking to Chaos
cobalt helm
You shouldn't need to booze them up at all
slow snow
foo is that a modest mouse pfp
sleek shard
edited, but ye
warm hedge
Didn’t have to do anything Nyx related
slow snow
based. They're my favorite band
sleek shard
nice, they were the first group that started me really appreciating music
astral flume
maybe that's because you didn't initiate the nyx thing in the first place, as to not interrupt it i guess they want you to do one thing after the other, not two things at once
sleek shard
but anyway, it seems like dialogue triggers are kind of clunky in hades
warm hedge
That’s possible
sleek shard
and things get put in "line" for the next trigger when you unlock things
astral flume
oh well.. i'll keep doin runs until nyx and chaos are happy and then check back
sleek shard
so it's possible you just need to burn through other queued dialogue to get it
did they give you dialogue about another character/event or was it a more generic line?
astral flume
it was about Nyx and Chaos not being close anymore and chaos trying to reestablish contact
sleek shard
yeah, the shield dialogue is probably just queued up
void vigil
Yeah, that happened to me too, and I got it after a couple of times
astral flume
i do have to say, the other 2 new aspects are pretty rad. I like how radically the 4th aspects of each weapon change them up
solid cosmos
never saw zag fish from that far away lol https://i.imgur.com/IARNoTB.jpg
small pulsar
Did I miss something and Extreme Measures and Routine Inspection are now somehow locked in new game, or is it a bug?
zealous timber
@small pulsar you need to meet certain requirements for those Pact options to became unavailable.
hollow charm
Do you think they will add steam achievements to hades anytime soon or is that planned with the full release?
small pulsar
Thanks for the info. Guess I'll have to find different combo than Deadline/Measures
vestal kettle
How do I use titan blood
dreamy ermine
were boon upgrades required for unlocking legendary boons updated recently? i'm wondering if the flow chart on wiki is still accurate
small pulsar
@vestal kettle unlock all weapons and chat with Skelly
vestal kettle
Ok thanks
sharp parcel
@dreamy ermine requirements were changed for some duo and legendary boons, check the patch notes
dreamy ermine
thanks, i hoped there is a graph with changes somewhere
light shadow
did I get rusty after not playing for a while or game really got harder
sharp parcel
some of the new enemies are kinda chewy
night mountain
hey guys where to i post bugs?
its not a big one
but i thought someone might like to know :)
void vigil
"Does Hades have Steam Achievements?
Not yet, though we expect to add Steam Achievements (as well as Trading Cards, etc.) by the time Early Access is complete."
@hollow charm from #hades-faq
report them in-game with F10! 
hollow charm
@void vigil awesome
night mountain
thank you @void vigil !!!
soft cove
Quick question: How do you open the bug report mode in the game?
sharp parcel
F10
soft cove
ty
Are you able to report a bug if it cquses your game to freeze?
Edit: I'm dumb. Ignore me
torpid walrus
what are the current requirements for artemis double cast boon?
tall turtle
whats the name of the song which plays in the first minibossess on the first stage
its not on the yt channel afaik
it slaps and i want to hear more of it
sharp parcel
@torpid walrus it's in the update's patch notes
sinful berry
does hades feel kind of sluggish to anyone else since the last update?
sharp parcel
the game?
sharp parcel
there are multiple Hadeses, or Hadesi
sinful berry
the game
sharp parcel
can't say that, the performance has improved massively on my decade old toaster
as always, make sure your drivers are up to date, along with Windows
sinful berry
performance is fine, my problem is more input lag
hidden thistle
Guan yu is trash now
sharp parcel
oh, I believe they added Vsync?
check your Display settings
and GY is certainly not trash, the special nerf was well justified
warm hedge
What changed with GY?
fast folio
- ranged boss for third stage flickers several times when boss fight starts. 2. stage 3 elesian mobs flicker and stutter step while moving within ecalibur's slowing field 3. when dash is mashed, it sometimes follows mouse cursor even when option is turned off 4. satyr's targeting sometimes doesn't change even when skelly is used, 5. wall slam no longer interrupts serpent's main laser attack 6. a pot on the final boss at 7 heat caused 150 dmg, not sure if that's a bug
sharp parcel
Special does 10 or 5 less damage and has a smaller AOE
warm hedge
Last time I tried it it seemed super strong so a nerf seems justified
But that was a while ago
sharp parcel
mhm, especially since the charge attack remained unchanged, aka the truly busted part
warm hedge
Yeah the charge can get nutty
I had runs where I was basically immortal due to high damage on charge
brisk trail
[Guan Yu gets some balancing nerfs] "It's trash now."
torpid walrus
wow, this new demeter/ares duo is astoundingly bad
it's like everything bad about each of their casts put together and turned up to eleven
tall mural
What does it do?
flat vapor
gy isn’t bad at all, but i do feel it’s mediocre compared to the other 4ths
urban forum
So im trying to unlock ||beowulf|| aspect and ||chaos|| just doesnt say anything anymore
torpid walrus
it's a tiny slow blade rift
tall mural
Yeah that sounds useless
urban forum
Do i need to give him nectar or something
torpid walrus
except it chills but that doesn't mean anything because even with achilles spear the damage is so pitiful that nothing will stay in it for long enough to die if you're using forced overtime
I was excited because I got it at the last charon shop in tartarus but then lost two DDs to meg probably the first time since I did 32 heat because it hit her so rarely
frosty hull
Where could I find the new requirements for fully loaded to be offered?
@urban forum A lot of the Aspects dont unlock until you have spent 5 Titan Blood on the Weapon
urban forum
I maxed chaos’s aspect already
frosty hull
Then I dont know
narrow hemlock
keep talking
there is literally no other requirement other than making sure you meet the minimum blood requirement
dialogue is rng, you may not have cycled through convo yet if other narrative-related stuff is coming up
sharp parcel
no no, it's not random
narrow hemlock
well theres certain weighted priorities
sharp parcel
if you're not getting the aspect prompt it means there's a bunch of other dialogues queued up
narrow hemlock
its easier to just say its rng rather than explain to people that dialogue is prioritized
its not inherently incorrect, because some people do end up getting through it faster. i just say its rng out of sheer convenience bc not everyone cares to hear an explanation of why theyre not getting the dialogue they want
stone warren
(just stealing this emote don't mind me)
urban forum
I heard about the diologues being queued up, but he doesnt even say anything anymore, i just go straight into picking boons
flat vapor
gods only talk the first time you pick up their boon in a run
unless it's a duo convo, or a shop convo
narrow hemlock
if you're getting other story dialogue (such as things related to demeter) that may be taking precedence
vagrant flint
What are the current prereqs for Fully Loaded?
I guess two of these: Exit Wounds, Wanted and Support Fire?
fresh mist
if you're getting other story dialogue (such as things related to demeter) that may be taking precedence
@narrow hemlock In the codex says entry completed
hallow spoke
is everyone having to do lots of updates for hades on steam?
vagrant flint
Yes.
hallow spoke
awesome, I was wondering if my laptop was just playing up and not completing a single updte
thank you
vagrant flint
👌
carmine pecan
woah
i have just got guantlets
havent played for months xD
very spammable
might play it instead of shield
verbal lotus
Just got an offer for 250 gems for a single Titan blood in the shop 🥵
Wish it was always that good
jade grove
stonks
carmine pecan
borrowing 300 coins from charon is stupid
i lost so many healths
urge to kill or battle rage
i using guantlets with the 2nd aspect
hm i think battle rage cuz q is pretty good move
ionic zephyr
urge to kill seems better imo
but i feel like taking boons that will help in boss fights is better than ones that are designed for mobs
carmine pecan
oh yea shoot
hearty torrent
I prefer Urge to Kill over Battle Rage. It's hard to proc correctly and reliably mid-combat, and not very useful on single-enemy boss fights.
hard elbow
I haven't used guan yu aspect since it released and now i'm trying to use it in a run and this feels horrible
why does it attack so slow on top of the hp modifier
hearty torrent
The Spin Attack releases a spinning blade (like an Ares Cast) that restores HP on each hit. Personally I prefer a Special build unless I get the Quick Spin Hammer. I've heard Athena Attack works well on it too.
hard elbow
yeah but it's slow to use as well
warm hedge
The spin used to be the bonkers part of that weapon
hard elbow
might as well do a special build like you said
warm hedge
But I haven’t used it in a while
hard elbow
but if i'm gonna do a special build I would pick another spear and get a hammer upgrade lol
ionic zephyr
what are your predictions for 1.0 update
hard elbow
Excalibur and rail final aspects feel really good compared to this
ionic zephyr
i think dailies challenges are a given
hearty torrent
The HP debuff is to balance the "lifesteal" effect of the Spin Attack. It also does flat more damage per hit than other Spear Aspects.
jade grove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/725470694724468826/unknown.png I can't choose...
carmine pecan
is 1.0 last update?
ionic zephyr
probably not
jade grove
I'm on spoiler rail with the thing that makes my special absurdly large and tick DoT for more damage, so...
carmine pecan
i think freeze but idk lol
narrow hemlock
1.0 is full release and the game exiting early access
hearty torrent
@jade grove I like Killing freeze in that scenario.
carmine pecan
cuz blast kinda low dmg
jade grove
It did keep Asterius at constant 10 stack slow, but I do figure it's not quite fast enough to abuse arctic blast
boreal fiber
is it just me or is ruthless reflex harder to trigger now? it used to feel like I can dodge in the general vicinity of an attack and get it (and no I'm not talking about the visual fx change)
hearty torrent
It's very good DoT that imo is better than Arctic Blast, unless you are able to very quickly apply stacks of Chill (i.e. Demeter Attack on Malphon)
jade grove
Although maybe they did, it's not as absurdly easy as before
jade grove
well yeah, I'm using chill stacks via my Greater Inferno hammer.
carmine pecan
hm
jade grove
Was Quake Cutter ever made any good?
sharp parcel
yes and no, I believe it scales off your special now
carmine pecan
does the dash strike auto commence?
sharp parcel
however, you still have to land it order for the blast wave to trigger, so if you dash cancel after the special, you get nothing
warm hedge
In 1.0, it’s going to be revealed that Hades is set in the same universe as Transistor
And all the gods ride around on sweet bikes
jade grove
Hey guys... if Zag proposed to Than, would he get Death, De Fiance
boreal fiber
I remember being able to trigger ruthless via magma and other aoe effects, am I crazy?
sharp parcel
does Ruthless state enemy attacks? Magma is a trap
even if it used to work off it, it was unintentional
boreal fiber
I mean it was a bug probably, the point is ruthless isn't as strong anymore, at least based on my rough 'feel' (it could be coloured by the fact they also changed the vfx)
ionic zephyr
i just realized we don't have any norse legendary aspects
quick someone add a hammer weapon
prime violet
my third run after the update and Emo Guy failed me twice already (one run ended in Tartarus cause I decided to borrow some money)
prime violet
hearty torrent
I definitely think adding Thor's Jarngreiprs, or Iron-Grippers, which he uses to wield Mjolnir, would be cool. I also saw someone recommend an Aspect of Sekhmet for tiger claws from Egyptian mythology. I like both ideas.
jade grove
Yeah, I think as a weapon Sekhmet's claws would be a better choice though
ionic zephyr
if version 1.0 ends up being a bigger update than blood price
jade grove
Jarngreipr doesn't do anything. It just... holds the hammer.
ionic zephyr
they could totally add a brand new weapon alongside a legendary aspect at the same time
question is what could they add
glass pond
I was surprised no hammer/mace type
ionic zephyr
some sort of mace or staff could work
hearty torrent
I don't think they'll add an entirely new weapon so late into the production cycle without having a pre-v1.0 update to playtest it.
ionic zephyr
legendary aspect of daedalus that just comes with every single daedalus upgrade of the base weapon
real talk props to hades team for making every weapon so unique with multiple aspects and daedalus upgrades
i haven't played any other roguelike with so many different playstyles
carmine pecan
demeter posiedon or ares
ionic zephyr
ares
boreal fiber
they've never done DLC but I'd like pay 5-10 buck for a new aspect
boreal fiber
also possible, but harder to do I think
jade grove
5 bucks for an aspect?
That's in 'predatory MTX' territory
SGG would never sign off on that
boreal fiber
I think it's too low tbh
jade grove
uhhh, no, that's horrifically overpriced for 1/5 of a weapon
boreal fiber
you have art, story, mechanics, ideally new hammers that go into it
carmine pecan
LOL
jade grove
do you have high income?
boreal fiber
I wouldn't sell them at that price though, it makes more sense to bundle them and then make it cheaper
boreal fiber
a lootbox
flat vapor
random boon
carmine pecan
oh
nimble ocean
i think story dlc would've been better
boreal fiber
I mean the bag is a lootbox
jade grove
mine was nice this run, got support fire?
sorta, yeah
I read that as "sell lootbox dlc" and was like hol' up
carmine pecan
lolllll
hard elbow
man even if the base damage on the guan yu spear is higher
it still feels like the other spear aspects are just as strong cause of their speed
both hammer upgrades gave me no spin attack and i pretty much got owned in elysium
tiny bobcat
6 GB update, what the bytes
sharp parcel
well worth it
untold jewel
hearty torrent
It's essentially a reinstall because they updated the code base @tiny bobcat. It shouldn't be much bigger than it is pre-Update.
sharp parcel
I wish he was wearing a poncho tho, not a tunic
cause it totally looks like he's wearing a poncho in the promo poster
tiny bobcat
I'm glad for the update but didn't expect it to be that big. @hearty torrent :)
jade grove
I still get weird hitches in the House for some reason, but everywhere else, the game has been buttery
hearty torrent
@hard elbow As you fulfill the requirements at the bottom of the Codex entry, be it Conversations, or Boons Accepted, etc., the entries will get new text that is bolded until it states Entry Complete instead.
solid cosmos
was zeus + lucy nerfed from the beta to the actual release?
covert current
any idea how should i get more blood
tried golden touch. got diamond instead of blood
cried
jade grove
F
do it again and hope
or, you know, heat up slowly across 6 different weapons so it's not as painful as soloing one
jade grove
ALSO finish Fated Prophecies.
hearty torrent
Hi Peach!
Oh my gosh really?
jade grove
A lot of early Prophecies throw an aspect or two worth of blood at you so it's not as hellish
acoustic saffron
any idea how should i get more blood
@covert current worse comes to worst, angle for tons of gemstones and just work your way up to buying blood from the broker
deep pivot
Yes! I will ping you in another channel 
jade grove
Seriously though, Prophecies
also @covert current a tip for not wasting it: Exiting the game after unlocking an aspect in Skelly's room will NOT save the game unless you enter the bedroom, so you can quit game and get your blood back, so it's nice for testing on Skelly. I think if you start the run and give up, it won't save either, but that's less... safe.
lost axle
Does anyone know if Hades (on EGS) supports controllers besides XBOX? My old Xbox controller bit the dust unfortunately. I have PS4 and switch pro controllers as well.
narrow hemlock
i play with a ps3 controller
but idk about epic specifically
i would imagine it shouldnt be an issue, realistically
lost axle
Thanks, I'll probably just give it a try and see how it goes
dense torrent
I play with a Nintendo pro con and it works with EGS
tall mural
Is there a chat to report bugs in?
terse geyser
F10 ingame
tall mural
thanks
sharp parcel
that's just the nature of roguelikes
narrow hemlock
that is the nature of these sort of games in this genre
sharp parcel
at least Hades has a strong narrative
narrow hemlock
they are inherently built on a repetitive gameplay loop and offer you incentives to keep going
solid cosmos
Is there already a chart/image with all the duos in the current patch? no need to have the prereqs, just what they do
coarse junco
Is it me or did Elysium mobs and bosses get buffed?
carmine pecan
no idea
solid cosmos
the big chariots seemed tougher... either they were buffed or i forgot how to fight them
narrow hemlock
peach is working on updated charts
sick folio
Was adding more content after the ending is created discussed? Or will 1.0 mark the true end of the story?
carmine pecan
wdym after the ending
carmine pecan
imagine a flash mod tho
would look cool when you use a hermes boon
is this game moddable?
narrow hemlock
theres a mod server advertised in #self-promotion somewhere if you check around
hoary urchin
Holy hell guys. Could you always make asterious run into theseus?
halcyon obsidian
Yes
uneven pilot
But you might get boped by Theseus when doing so
buoyant frigate
do you have any ideas when 1.0 will be out ?
hoary urchin
I have over 200 hours in this game and just found that out. I was so surprised when theseus shouted not me asterious
granite ether
later this year @buoyant frigate that's all that's known at this stage
wanton goblet
"For the next 3 encounters, each time you attack, get hit for -5 ❤️"... 😬 did not read the fineprint on picking that one.
tall cloak
ooh nice, they fixed the ares interaction
jade grove
@hoary urchin wait, does it damage him
hidden thistle
Did we have a 70mb update?
hoary urchin
@jade grove im not sure. he had 2 damage controls on him. it took out one of them
quaint bramble
@hidden thistle yes I believe so, 1 or 2 at least. I believe they were to fix some on-start crashes for people post-update.
past rune
Someone remind me to never play the rail. Easily my least favorite weapon
past rune
Artemis got a nerf?
past rune
It was 3 before
old plover
I think its like worthless now
past rune
Making it +2 is totally fine, as they're also easing up on the conditions for it now
old plover
I thought it was plus 4 because I had 7 casts last time
past rune
You probably got +1 from chaos
+2 is insane on any cast build
+3 was so busted it had to be locked behind like 4 artemis boons
lowering to +2 allows them to more freely hand it out
old plover
hmm
maybe you are right but I don't think you can have something be too busted in a single player game
Either way I'll have to try it again
It just seemed really underpowered when I had it against hades
but I probably just had a weak build over all
past rune
It's very possible, +2 casts is great on infernal soul cast builds, and insane on stygian soul builds. Cast builds often melt the final boss's health in a few casts
old plover
yea but i had the zues cast
it just bounced off him and went everywhere and I had to go pick it up
I think I even lost that run lmao
sometimes I noob out
tall mural
Is it just me or is the new shield absolute garbage?
jade grove
Things definitely can be too busted. Beta ||Rama|| was literally hold one button to win with a certain build
3 cast stygian soul just sounds busted lmao
deep pivot
past rune
Actually, is Ares fixed?
I just completed the whole 10k kill prophecy, but he's not lovin on me yet
stiff trellis
Found an interesting situation where you manage to find a fishing spot in a thanatos encounter, you can begin fishing before he arrives
urban forum
does anyone know if the ||Beowulf aspect cast charge explosions benefit from cast boons or attack boons||?
hybrid citrus
Anyone used the Dark Foresight in the mirror? And if so, how do you like it compared to Olympian Favor?
urban forum
i just switched to dark foresight and cant really tell the difference lol
hybrid citrus
It doesnt seem particularly good when you consider that rare boons are so much better than common boons.
alpine mural
so what do people think about the new shield's hit box for blocking being almost behind you during dash charge?
brisk trail
Hello a couple of my friends reccomended this game and it looks really intriguing, can I get some of your thoughts on it?
alpine mural
^ have you played other rogue like games?
brisk trail
Yes
alpine mural
ex:?
brisk trail
Issac, gungeon, rogue legacy are the ones I can name off the top of my head
alpine mural
ok so... imagine gungeon gameplay except you keep the same weapon throughout the run and augment it and your other core abilities instead of constantly swapping
there ARE 6 different weapons
and each of them has 4 different core versions of themselves
with one of those versions changing it on a conceptual level
do have to say technically one of the weapons is missing the 4th version but that will be released with the full version of the game later this year
in my opinion it is by far worth playing now even though it's not fully released (it's basically a full game already) though I would understand if you want to wait
brisk trail
I assume that creates a lot of diversity?
brisk trail
If you're up for it that'd be cool
alpine mural
no voice chats in this discord so i'll call you
brisk trail
Alright
quasi sleet
just fought the wave hydra for the first time and it seemed super easy
this is only my first run since the patch, but are all the other hydra variants easy like this too?
lyric frost
I think the summoning hydra is pretty easy as well
steady lantern
i find the slamming one "pretty hard", just cause the targets are hard to see imo
quasi sleet
word
also what are peoples thoughts on the new gun aspect?
seems pretty sweet to me, not sure if the damage is better or worse tho
steady lantern
It's excellent
lyric frost
I'm not sure what I think about it tbh
quasi sleet
im also actively trying to NOT shoot my orbs which seems like the opposite of whats intended?
lyric frost
I havent lost a run with it yet at heat 16+ but I also dont like using it
steady lantern
The special is just a bit hard to get used to
quasi sleet
what attack boon do you like for it? im using zeus this run and seems sweet, I imagine dio/demeter are the other big ones
steady lantern
Yeah, pretty much anything that benefits from fast attack rate
quasi sleet
it just feels like the constant dps of leaving the orbs up is so much better than purposfully exploding them
since it also seems like if your shooting an orb ur not hitting an enemy
lyric frost
I found Dio and Zeus to be the better ones
Demeter with the explosion at 10 stacks was kinda fun too
jade grove
@quasi sleet Its DPS is significantly higher than the rail's normal gun attack, and the orbs are good to detonate for damage in general
If you have Greater Hellfire, however, avoiding the orbs and letting them tick with a good status boon is good.
quasi sleet
but doesnt shooting orbs make you lose ur regular attack dps?
jade grove
sure, but if you have to move anyway, may as well pop them
quasi sleet
fair enough
jade grove
if you HAVE to stop focusing on one target, then just blow them up
lyric frost
Enemies can also pop it for you
jade grove
this is a bit #h1-builds-and-combat btw
modest geyser
I know there are a lot of things people have discussed about this game, and I'm pretty sure this may have been answered before, but............
jade grove
but we had a talk about it, and basically almost all gods are good on it, in various flavors of busted
modest geyser
what is the calculation used to determine damage once you start applying +% bonuses?
quasi sleet
theres a reddit post on it
jade grove
% bonuses are all additive, I believe
lyric frost
yup
jade grove
crits are multiplicative, but "extra crit damage" is additive TO the crit damage bonus
wait
unsure
it may just be a fat stack of additive %
quasi sleet
if you have athena special, does the pulsing damage of the hellfire reflect?
modest geyser
so 100% + 20% + 10% = 130% of the base?
well how do things like critical strikes and daedalus bonuses work? same thing or is that calculated after the boons?
lyric frost
if you have 2 different effects that boost damage by 20% and 10% seperately, then you deal 130% damage yeah
jade grove
Yes, it does.
It's not that good because it's a bit fiddly and you have to intentionally avoid the balls, but if you have Greater Hellfire, then you have several large rings of no projectile
quasi sleet
thats sick
jade grove
yup
deep pivot
Guava!
jade grove
it is good with everything
deep pivot
Yes! How've you been, buddy? Back to Hades?
jade grove
Fun fact: Raw damage boons are great on the beam because ramping damage is considered base damage.
lyric frost
yup, made some time for the update
jade grove
<:
dawn tiger
The aspect of LeBron James has been a joy to play tbh
deep pivot
Awesome! I hope you'll like it
jade grove
it is
lyric frost
its been sweet so far yeah
dawn tiger
Like the laser is so much fun
jade grove
it can be awkward with Aim Assist, to the point of feeling nearly unplayably jank
lyric frost
yeah aim assist feels pretty bad on it
jade grove
but with AA off, it's just... it feels like mechanically one of the best designed aspects in the game
lyric frost
I turn it off just with that weapon
dawn tiger
Yeah like how it prioritizes targets feels weird
coarse junco
Okay, is it just me or did they buff spear and most of the casts recently.
jade grove
synergies with everything
dawn tiger
But overall I feel so free with it
jade grove
every god has a build for it, like some Malphon setups
dawn tiger
To build whatever I want
modest geyser
so if I'm understanding this right, the damage calculation goes something like this: 100 base, add +100%, +20%, 10%, +200% for critical, + 300% for daedalus = 730
jade grove
I will say, it feels bad on controller
You basically have to custom bind to get around having to right thumbstick all the time for the special, or just... live with weird hand contortions
dawn tiger
Tbh it’s been a great chance to actually use keyboard and mouse more in my experiences
jade grove
but then, that's a general rail issue, like, optimized gun binds will always be wildly different from ideal melee binds
hopefully, for the eventual console port plans, they will adjust Aim Assist on it
because otherwise it'll really hurt the experience for one of the most fun weapons
lyric frost
It's easy to forget this game is Early Access with how polished it is
I'm sure it's something they'll revisit at/before 1.0
dawn tiger
And how much content it has
lyric frost
yeah its kinda incredible
dawn tiger
Like I normally hate early access and preorder culture at large
But after how many of my friends liked it
I had to dip into the pond
jade grove
yeah, I just bought it once I went onto steam
dawn tiger
And boy am I glad I did
lyric frost
I usually hate perordering as well, but I made an exception and bought it on day 1 because its Supergiant lol
jade grove
steam has a far friendlier economy for people like me who live in countries with poor exchange rates
coarse junco
I mean to be fair it spent a year cooking in the EGS before it came to steam
lyric frost
been following their team since Bastion. Made an Epic account just to play it on day 1
quasi sleet
hades isnt an early access game in the way most early access games are
coarse junco
How was playing Hades Day 1? Heard the difficulty was pretty high
jade grove
Well, it is an experienced team working on a refined concept
quasi sleet
i only started playing when they added the other 2 fury sisters, but it was pretty great back then
lyric frost
and there used to be healing gyros in its chamber
coarse junco
I joined during the steam update
quasi sleet
though its only gotten better tbh\
stiff trellis
Early hades was
lyric frost
I remember when sword was bad too
stiff trellis
A whole different game compared to now
quasi sleet
early hades was owning kids with the spear special
lyric frost
so much has been polished since the early days
coarse junco
It took me 30 attempts to escape once
stiff trellis
Back then there was a lot more weight to a lot of actions
lyric frost
very true
stiff trellis
The dash used to be far slower
quasi sleet
tbh I miss the old dash a bit
coarse junco
Ah. I remember the old spam spear meta...
quasi sleet
i liked it
lyric frost
sword special took long enough to finish the animation that you had time to do your taxes
coarse junco
It was a pain since I preferred the Hades Aspect’s playstyle
stiff trellis
I'm expecting it was due to the fact that supergiant weren't quite used to finding a mix of roguelike-pace movement and their tried-and-true combat style
coarse junco
Combo’ing stuff like heavy swing and special with normal attacks. One of the reasons my favorite weapon aspect is Nemesis Sword.
lyric frost
oh yeah for sure
coarse junco
I do think they used the difficulty to slow player progression
lyric frost
I wouldnt get the entire game right on the first try either haha
stiff trellis
It's amazing to see how much they've honed the game
coarse junco
At the very beginning at least
lyric frost
yeah they do, since this is also a story-driven roguelike
kind of have to slow progression down a lil
lyric frost
oh my god I totally forgot about that
jade grove
I remember when sword was bad too
@lyric frostisn't sword still badjk
stiff trellis
The shield was busted
lyric frost
omg the base deflect on shield
stiff trellis
But also the block was a deflect and it was infinite
lyric frost
The patch they removed it was the only patchnotes I didnt read, I was so confused as to why I kept getting hit
thought I just became bad at the game overnight
vast junco
back when heat scaled differently and T+A were the final boss, i was able to complete 153 heat because of how ridiculous shield was lol
stiff trellis
You could win the survive rooms by sitting in a corner and holding down left ckick
lyric frost
sheild very skillful KEKW
it was a much needed nerf though, as much as I loved the OG
vast junco
bull rush and dash attack weaving was king
stiff trellis
Not to mention how fun it was (and kinda still is) with poseidon attack
lyric frost
they go flying
stiff trellis
It was straightup a yeet disk
lyric frost
haha yeah
stiff trellis
Or there was artemis' dash boon that made the attack after a dash always crit
jade grove
I do wonder why Zag shield was nerfed from like... the Steam launch update values
stiff trellis
Which scaled so insanely well with the bow
jade grove
it was already kind of ass damage
lyric frost
artemis crit dash was so good on bow omg
stiff trellis
I remember the damage being actually insane
lyric frost
before they changed the bow dash attack too
deep pivot
@frail smelt Hello! Please report bugs via the bug reporter
Ran into a visual bug with some text for the bow. the middle aspect the font is completely different and out of frame for the flavor text
#hades-feedback is not meant to report bugs 🙂
stiff trellis
But you could basically go through a run with dash and attack boon and it would take you to the hydra no problem
Wait
Did they still have the autocrit in hydra?
I don't remember
lyric frost
neither do I
stiff trellis
I think it did
deep pivot
@gentle mural Hello! Please report bugs via the bug reporter 
Hi, loving the new update. I am finding however that the new graphics gives me some issues. There is a slightly nauseating blur when I move Zag around. Also, when a character card comes up.with some text, there is a short blackout blink. It also happens with overlays like low health or burning. How do I go about telling the devs and what info do they need?
#hades-feedback is not meant to report bugs 🙂
lyric frost
I have no reason to think you're wrong
keen talon
@deep pivot do grammar errors in dialogue count as bugs
deep pivot
Are you playing the english version? @keen talon
keen talon
ye
stiff trellis
I found an interesting bug where you can start fishing upon entering thanatos rooms if you reach the fishing point before he appears
I need to try and replicate it
jade grove
Typos get counted in F10 yes
lyric frost
gotta go fast
deep pivot
Technically, it's not a bug but you may report it via so they take note of that 🙂
stiff trellis
Because it took me off guard and I missed the opportunity to screenshot
frail smelt
How do I use f10? Just start my message with it?
jade grove
I remember the damage being actually insane
@stiff trellis Hm? On what? I meant the Zagreus shield as of Welcome to Hell onward
lyric frost
you can press F10 ingame to submit a bug report
stiff trellis
Crit dash bow
jade grove
It was something like 20-25% DR or something and got nerfed down
frail smelt
Ohhhhhhh thanks lol
stiff trellis
Back when artemis gave you a crit on dash attacks
lyric frost
so you have time to write a message and draw on the screenshot so they know what you're tlaking about
jade grove
I really couldn't understand why they nerfed it, because it's really only good for new players and the shield at base doesn't do impressive damage
stiff trellis
I agree with you kinda
jade grove
also as a zag aspect, it kinda already has a lot less reason to bother
stiff trellis
While all of the other weapons and their variants seem really fun to play, I've always found the shield to be kinda underwhelming
jade grove
oh, shield aspects can be fun, and are often broken-level effective
lyric frost
I cant really speak intelligently on the shield, I only play with chaos shield
jade grove
the base shield? it literally just gives you a minuscule amount of DR, but with how little damage you do, it's not worth it
stiff trellis
Chaos is the multiyeet isn't it?
stiff trellis
Yeah I remember using it
lyric frost
I know it was the go-to for speedrunning but I dont know if thats still true
stiff trellis
I didn't realise that
jade grove
The DR before it was nerfed seemed completely fine.
lyric frost
and I like seeing the shields fly all over the screen
stiff trellis
I suppose with that coverage the room clear would be great
lyric frost
thats exactly right
jade grove
I think all other Zagreus aspects except maybe the Sword are fine?
stiff trellis
Personally I've found I enjoy speed builds a ton
jade grove
Spear is quite nice.
lyric frost
forget their names all the time
vast junco
yeah, zag bow is solid
stiff trellis
I like the sword buid especially because if you get as many speed boons as you can
vast junco
not incredibly interesting, but very solid for high heat
jade grove
Ever since they reworked it, the spear carried me through a run quite reliably
stiff trellis
It becomes kind of a nightmare to control zagreus
jade grove
Adamant Rail...
stiff trellis
I love the rail ngl
jade grove
I feel like the new aspect completely obsoletes it again
lyric frost
whast the spear Zag aspect? its the only weapon I dont use
jade grove
The new aspect makes Zagreus Rail irrelevant once more
vast junco
+25% speed, range, and damage on special
stiff trellis
Special range speed and damage
vast junco
@lyric frost
jade grove
you need a hammer just to turn it into a worse version of said aspect
flat vapor
makes range, damage, and speed for the special increase
vast junco
at max rank, anyway
sleek shard
if they fixed the reload thing, then hestia is still busted af
jade grove
yeah, Spear is the everything buff, it's just really nice to have if you like the playstyle
ah I think DR on the shield was halved
20% to 10% or something
stiff trellis
I like the zag rail more tbh
stiff trellis
I suppose more due to comfort than anything
stiff trellis
The sword is fun if you want to go full speed build
lyric frost
I've had fun with zag sword on low heat meme runs where I stack movement speed
yeah exactly
Not super viable past that imo
lyric frost
I love watching his legs flail around
especially with drift dash (I think thats what its called?)
stiff trellis
Especially if you have five dashes or drift dash
jade grove
yeah, just, as an actual weapon it feels about as strong as a foam sword
vast junco
goes perfectly with old school cartoon leg windmill sfx
lyric frost
totally agree Felis
jade grove
zagreus running around at maximum speed with a pool noodle
lyric frost
the way the gods intended
stiff trellis
Move speed zag is essentially a deific mosquito
lyric frost
a family friendly foam noodle sword coming at you at 300km/h
terse geyser
I demolish with zag aspect
stiff trellis
I love that name
lyric frost
I would expect nothing more from the Aspect of Zoom himself
stiff trellis
Zag fists with a stacked hermes feather and greater evasion is so dumb
I ended up with over 60% dodge chance
jade grove
Seriously though, does the Zagreus rail have any objective advantages over Aspect 4?
lyric frost
you dont have to shoot the special I guess?
idk, grasping at straws here tbh
new aspect just kinda slam dunks on it
jade grove
I mean I'd rather run Eris if I wanted a base rail with benefits
lyric frost
yeah exactly
jade grove
because the eris rail just lets you get free damage
they still have not reworked zag rail despite people asking for it every patch
lyric frost
Eris rail is what I used to run on rail all the tiem
jade grove
:/
lyric frost
unsure if new one will replace it for me personally
jade grove
still, I do think the shield is worse
stiff trellis
Shame about the nerf but oh well
jade grove
because it's both boring and not very effective
stiff trellis
It still worked in my last shotgun run
stiff trellis
No
jade grove
not when you can dunk that right into Malphon and at least get fist of the north star
lyric frost
unless you own all the upgrades, probably not worth it no
stiff trellis
You're better off spending that on literally anything else and that includes the broker
jade grove
or dunk it into literally anything else and have some form of gameplay enhancing experience
lyric frost
cue Omae wa
jade grove
well
if you own the others
you're long past the point of ever needing 10% base DR
or already have 80% with god mode
lyric frost
just have it to have it at that point
stiff trellis
Also can I just say that I really like the new store items
lyric frost
bit of a collector myself at least
stiff trellis
The anvil is cool tbh
lyric frost
yeah the 20% was at least nice
I've gotten anvil once and it did exactly what I wanted it to do lol
jade grove
Oh
stiff trellis
Same here
lyric frost
so based on my sample size of 1 it's the best item in the game /s
jade grove
like, that's an excellent baby's first aspect if you REALLY need help getting used to this game
lyric frost
good for learning the game yeah
jade grove
but at 10% it's just a joke
granite ether
yo reminder strat discussion and gameplay related talk goes into #h1-builds-and-combat please
lyric frost
thats a good point
stiff trellis
Ah, yeah
vast junco
deliberately wanted to end my run in lava at the start of a thanatos encounter and it was one of the funniest interactions i've ever had in the game given this context https://streamable.com/0h4olc
click through for sound of course
deep pivot
@quasi sleet Ask that in #h1-builds-and-combat . Spoilers aren't allowed here
quasi sleet
would referring to it as "hidden shield aspect" be kosher?
deep pivot
Still, this channel isn't meant to ask for combat tips 👍
river walrus
So I'm going through the game and uhh
I'm not sure if spoilery so for safety ||Achilles just prompted me to go to my room and i'm here like, what do i do now||
brisk trail
Try to Escape.
river walrus
oh! gotchuy
frosty hull
Where could I find the new requirements for fully loaded to appear?
river walrus
I am currently escaping with nothign different but I think I'll find out eventually whats going on
brisk trail
It's just a flavor line, was there an exclamation point above Achilles's head when you spoke to him?
river walrus
I spoke to him pretty quick so I didn't see one, but normally a speech bubble won't pop up if there isn't?
lyric frost
you can talk to people even if they dont have the exclamation mark above them
river walrus
oh
lyric frost
you just get some standard short flavour lines though
river walrus
I see.
odd sort of flavor line for achilles, given the situation but that makes sense I suppose
lyric frost
Did you just buy this game by chance, Paprika?
hollow hazel
And so ends my 25 or so win streak, two hits away from victory. FeelsBadMan
hollow hazel
I mean, I wouldn't call it accurate, I've rage-quit on multiple occassions, and since giving up doesn't count against me, I would just keep the streak lol.
river walrus
I'm on my third win!
lyric frost
Third win after only a week, thats pretty good!
river walrus
so far I have... sword, spear, and fists!
hollow hazel
I had only beaten the game like, 5 other times before that one, but I can usually manage a win with most builds. The heat was always increasing, by like, 1 every 5 runs or something because I have to beat it with every weapon and heat and all
river walrus
is it??
I got into it watching lethalfrag play and he got on pretty quick like, two days? xD
lyric frost
I'm a little distorted since I played in the early beta
and it was a lot harder to win
so its good for me as far as a new player experience goes lol
lyric frost
yeah this game's pretty great. Very polished for an early access title
river walrus
very polished even for a finished title to be honest.
lyric frost
110% true
hollow hazel
I was actually okay with losing the streak though given the new patch. I was almost always rage-quitting before I had a chance to get taken out, and thus keeping my streak, since it was one of the only things I really could increase after doing everything else lol. Usually only losing due to the bosses though since I like to challenge myself with tougher bosses, this time it got me taken out though lol. But now I have a lot more to do, so I don't mind.
lyric frost
A new patch is always a great time for a fresh start, yeah
hollow hazel
Very polished, I actually got it before I realized it was made by supergiant, just because it seemed like a cool concept. And Roguelikes are great, there's just so much stuff to do in this, it's awesome.
I've even considered starting a new file from scratch to be able to do it all over again lol
lyric frost
Oh yeah I'ma HUGE roguelike/lite fan as well
and this is a pretty good installment of one
fluid mountain
Did ||Persephone|| fight her way out?
lyric frost
I haven't gotten any of the new lore
and my knowledge of greek myth is admittedly slim
you can ask the folks in #h1-story-discussion , they might know something
hollow hazel
neither have I. Only played a couple games since the release because work started back up for me recently and I've been working 9-10 hour shifts for the last 4 days lol.
lyric frost
yeah I got 9 hour work days as well haha
school and work keep me pretty busy so I really only pop into the server around new patches
hollow hazel
I like to think I'm pretty good at the game, but it's pretty cool seeing everyone else, in the victory boasting room, it amazes me to see that people have beaten the game upwards of like, 150 times and I've only beaten it 30 times lol.
lyric frost
oh yeah there are a bunch of people who have been playing for quite a while
I've got over 300 runs even
some of the more dedictaed players have got 500+ wins
its pretty impressive
hollow hazel
I've done just over 60 runs in total, only 30 wins though., admittedly probably closer to 70 runs just I've stopped mid run so much lol. Due to one thing or another.
And like, that's still so little compared to how much others have played lol
lyric frost
everybody's gotta start somewhere after all
and a bunch of people on the server have been playing since early beta
hollow heron
I just hit 100 runs on this save which I'm pretty happy about tbh
hollow hazel
So, with the new update supposedly the increasing difficulty one heat at a time isn't necessary anymore?
hollow heron
I probably had 50 on my old save which I lost
It was never necessary
The change was to hell mode iirc
lyric frost
It's just optional challenges you can enable if you want
hollow heron
I use heat because it's fun to me
lyric frost
it makes upgrading weapons faster as well since you get titan blood as a reward
hollow hazel
I always thought it was, like, to get the max amount of titan blood and rewards you'd need to go up one at a time since it's based off of a minimum of heat
lyric frost
You can technically trade up the other rewards to get titan blood without ever touching the higher heat levels
it just takes longer
hollow heron
If you're at higher than your lowest uncleared heat you just get the bounties as though it was your lowest uncleared heat
hollow hazel
Yeah, but if I had cleared with 3 heat, than jumped up to 5 heat and beat it, I would no longer be able to get rewards from 4 heat? Or maybe I misunderstood the heat reward system
floral shore
IIRC you also need some other source of Titan Blood other than bounties, because there's not enough. Each weapon needs 51 blood to fully unlock (5 + 15 + 16 + 15), but you only get 42 blood (2 x 21) from each weapon from bounties.
hollow heron
No
lyric frost
or wait
hollow heron
You'd get the 4th heat rewards
floral shore
You will always gain the bounties from the highest uncompleted heat level.
lyric frost
thats pretty nice
hollow heron
And then if you won again with 5 heat you'd get the 5 heat rewards
hollow heron
It means I get a constant flow of rewards haha
lyric frost
a nice qol change honestly
hollow heron
Considering I'm still getting the tier 2 overflowing heat message lol
lyric frost
You've made the heat guage cry! are you happy now?
summer aurora
anyone knows how to use the new aspects
bow, gun and shield
im honestly pretty confused
hollow hazel
OHHH, okay, that's good to know, it seemed so inconvenient to have to go up one heat at a time, but I didn't want to waste the possibility of getting titan blood since it's used for weapons.
hollow heron
summer aurora
ah ok thnx
lyric frost
to see how to unlock them check the pinned message in #h1-story-discussion
hollow hazel
I'm about to go out with the new bow aspect and own, I've always been a fan of the bow, so I'm looking forward to it
summer aurora
the bow feels very sqishy to me
lyric frost
bow's probably my favourite, but I have only done one run of the new aspect
summer aurora
esp if u use the special seeking one
lyric frost
unsure how I feel about it so far
summer aurora
for me u more or less need a cast that does aoe clear
poseidon is my fav when doing bow runs with chiron
hollow hazel
So actually if rewards stay the same for heat going up, the calculation would be 2x58x6 titan blood, if I'm doing the math right.
hollow heron
I think so yes
lyric frost
I dont know if poeple really go up to 58 heat though
hollow heron
But no one has cleared 50 heat yet iirc
lyric frost
It becomes back breakingly difficult
hollow heron
I think there's 1 weapon with 49?
And the new patch imo made the game harder in general
lyric frost
24 and 32 I believe are the common breakpoints?
lyric frost
that might've changed though, I havent kept up with what people ahve been playing
lyric frost
20 and 32 ah yes thats what it is
lyric frost
Probably? But I havent noticed anything significant so far
hollow heron
The game is definitely way harder and idk why
It feels like there's just some weird jank
hollow hazel
if rewards end at 20, that's still 240 titan blood which is a fair amount, but I don't know if it's enough to max out all weapons, I don't know enough about the levels of the weapons to determine that
hollow heron
The Ely buff makes no sense ngl
lyric frost
yeah I thought that was a little weird too
I felt those enemies wer fine how they were
hollow heron
And ||Asterius's|| charge feels straight up impossible to dodge now
hollow hazel
Elysium enemies got buffed?
lyric frost
But I'm also not an professionla game balancer so idk
hollow heron
Ely needed a nerf if anything
lyric frost
the eternal souls (or whatever they're called) got buffed
the sword, bow, and shield guys
hollow heron
Yeah
hollow hazel
I honestly think it's easier to dodge asterius's charge now since he doesn't turn as fast, assuming I read that patch note right
summer aurora
😦
lyric frost
oof
hollow heron
It's harder because they also made the hitbox detection smaller so you can't dash through him
summer aurora
elysium is sad to go into with a bad build
hollow heron
And you basically can't escape anymore
flat vapor
my experience is that asterius's charge is easier for me to kite now
hollow hazel
Oh, you can't? I guess I haven't done many new runs against him, but now since he doesn't turn as fast, slamming him into a wall is much easier
lyric frost
I havent really noticed anything too different about asterius, personally
hollow hazel
Pillars require more accuracy, whereas waiting by a wall and doing a good dodge is much easier to accomplish imo
hollow heron
Pillars were far more consistent before
But I think slower turning means he doesn't react to you being behind a pillar as fast and manages to go around or something
Idk, I just know I've been hit more times by charge since patch than I was total before it
lyric frost
I can see how that would be true now that you mention it
I'll have to pay attention next run
narrow hemlock
i havent used pillars in quite a long while now, i always found walls more reliable than steering asterius into pillars
hollow hazel
Yeah, that is true, but I think that's because it was easier to abuse the quick turning and he'd just happen to park his horns right in the pillar, which makes no sense to me. When charging, you shouldn't be able to do 60 degree turns on a dime lol. I think it's easier to dodge now though. His stupid axe waves when he hits second half of his health bar is irritating still, just like, you'll dodge out of the way of his axe only for a wave to just perfectly chase where you landed
vapid grove
So where do I post my most recent run? lol
Got a pretty lucky boon setup and just steam rolled through lol
Here?
vapid grove
It was only heat 7 so idk if it's something to boast about
chilly stump
Every victory is something to celebrate. 😄
hollow hazel
I mean, I think anyway, admittedly I've been here for like, an hour, so I don't know much of anything about this server lol
chilly stump
You got it right John!
narrow hemlock
i can feel cait's proud energy from here
hollow hazel
I think any victory is worth celebrating, I know when I got my first win ever, I happened to be streaming on discord with one of my friends who also plays and another who just watches people play, and I was sort of speechless, just thought like "wait, do I take a screenshot, or like, record this or like, what do I do, you saw it so I guess that's cool, but like, this is huge, I want to cement this in history" lol
chilly stump
Zagreus deserves his freedom, you all are the ones working to get him there! Plenty to be proud of. 
Exactly!!!
It's been a Bit since I've been able to do a full run, but the feeling of getting to the end is worth sharing.
narrow hemlock
quick cait, fav character, go
jade grove
Honestly, half of the fun isn't the heat flex
It's showing off the build that got you there.
chilly stump
Hermes, Achilles, Chaos, Tisiphone.
narrow hemlock
0:
chilly stump
In.... roughly that order, it shifts a bit.
narrow hemlock
very interesting choices
jade grove
Because really, winning with the jankiest builds is impressive, winning with an absurd godlike build is hilarious...
Like, my last clear was with a build that gave me virtually infinite Athena calls.
narrow hemlock
achilles is valid, i love him but he got bumped out of my top5, sorry achilles
chilly stump
It's okay, he's an understanding guy.
narrow hemlock
;__;
flat vapor
i love hermes now after i saw the remainder of his nectar/ambrosia hearts, he's such a cool dude
chilly stump
He'd probably say something like "your heart should be free to rest where it may, friend."
narrow hemlock
im sure he would understand why theseus is in my top 5.. in fact hes welcome to come enjoy the entertainment with me, theseus is indeed his own one man circus
hollow hazel
Huh, I thought I DID end up screenshotting my first ever hades win, oh right, I couldn't screenshot hades because of the program I used for ease of access., and anytime I would try to screenshot it would just be a black screen.
Right now I remember lol
hollow heron
I don't think I have a picture of my first clear but I know there's a SS from me here that's of a release sword clear
hollow hazel
rip my first ever win ever seeing the light of day lol. Admittedly it was a pretty easy win though lol. I've had more challenging wins. The shield can get broken real quickly lol.
But with the shield it's also very easy to overreach and take damage, and that's almost cost me a run a couple times and probably has cost me a couple of my fake runs lol
I wish we could go see our build for each of our wins and like that end screen you get with a victory, but so far haven't found anything like that that has the same ui for heat and clears. It's clean and easy to read, whereas using that other room doesn't really show you all that stuff.
jade grove
End screen is harder to parse if you don't recognize icons, tbf
hard to show builds that way
daring hull
john there's a later thing that lets you see that
daring hull
ooof
safe yoke
i made it all the way with 3 death defiants still intact
why must you play with my emotions so
hollow hazel
Been there man, been there.
safe yoke
now i know what Kratos feels
hollow hazel
My friend made the mistake of underestimating him and not being aware of it either, me and my other friend decided not to tell him because it's something worth experiencing, and we could feel the broken spirit through his mic after that.
I think it's definitely something worth experiencing yourself though, because then you just want the win that much more, and ooh, when it happens, THAT'S well worth it
safe yoke
i honestly dont know why i keep coming back. i picked it up on the 20th and ive put just over 25hours already into it
hollow hazel
I can tell you that from experience. A hard fought victory, the euphoria is unforgettable, and then you just keep chasing it.
safe yoke
oh i KNOW rougelites/rougelikes
from enter the gungeon to crypt of the necrodancer
i need sleep but im too pumped from adrenaline from that last run
hollow hazel
That's how they get you
analog fog
ok i managed to buy it with a prepaid steam gift card and so far i really love all of ares' boons
safe yoke
its like bastion when i first played it. like how much dialogue is packed in here. ive done over 30 runs and i havent heard a repeated boss room or npc line yet.
analog fog
yeah I personally love how they even have dialogue for really specific stuff too
like I got a prefight dialogue with megaera about how I died to the bone hydra the run before
drowsy arch
he is funny as heck what the hell!
hollow hazel
It's a really good game. I'm so happy with this game, I've bought it for like, 2 other people because I think they'll enjoy it just as much. Contemplating buying it for a 3rd friend lol.
that's not new lol, that's been in there since the last patch, I didn't mute him though lol, I would never do that to him
chilly stump
He's just conscientious of your time @drowsy arch 😄
safe yoke
you cant silence the golden speedster
chilly stump
Even if you mute him, he'll check back with you occasionally to make sure you still don't want to hear from him. Speedsters respect speedsters!
safe yoke
no bulli
safe yoke
his boons are best boons
hollow hazel
I've got over 100 hours now, and that's a lot for me since I'm not big on games I play on my own, I play games socially pretty much, it's probably one of my most played single-player games
safe yoke
i prefer rougelites since they give me good replay value.
hollow hazel
It's my second most played single-player game that isn't an idle game, about to overtake the one above it and take top spot too lol
All the characters are likable, Tisiphone and Alecto, and even Lernie <3 Where's my bone hydra romance option? And if I can't romance Asterius or Theseus I'm gonna riot 
safe yoke
ima riot if i cant head pat the snek gorgon head pixie
itll be a small riot but itll be one nonetheless
i mean we can pet cerberus but not dusa.
analog fog
oops
as a castlevania player i hate dusa
safe yoke
as a degenerate i love dusa
hollow hazel
Skelly is prob my favorite character. He's such a troll, and I love him, and I don't want to kill him, but like, he wants to be killed so like, I don't have a choice.
safe yoke
well hes getting paid to let it happen.
analog fog
agreed, Skelly is great
safe yoke
but by WHO is the question
analog fog
love dionysus too
analog fog
dionysus is a gigachad
safe yoke
no hes a beer bro
hollow hazel
he was the first person I maxed out, I focused only on him lol, in fact, funnily enough I pretty much had gotten everyone in the house at least to two hearts before I realized I hadn't gotten one for Nyx lol.
safe yoke
oh i got EVERYONE a nectar bottle then im just now starting to give a second one away
and i gave my first second to best girl dusa
hollow hazel
I maxed almost everyone out that I could and was only working on like, two of the gods by the time the new patch came out, I was running out of uses for my nectar lol.
safe yoke
man when Charon said "Uuraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh" i felt that.
granite ether
Dusa and artemis are bff's 
I would be incredibly happy to have either or both as good mates 
hollow hazel
Same, Charon is best boy. I always feel like Zag is just making up thing he's saying and Charon can't really defend himself so he just groans in annoyance, and it's why he's one of my favorite characters. I also love Zag's sarcasm to pretty much everything.
safe yoke
dusa is lov dusa is life. smol qt3.14 snek maid
worn radish
did something change with the little update since yesterday? I am datying like a lot more
dying
fading gazelle
Arty is bae