Chiron is a bit dreadful imo, unless you really scale it up. Quite like cast builds also! However, fully upgraded Poseidon with 4 sec recharge is good enough that you can go for full 3/3 bloodstones
#h1-discussion
delicate steeple
But {spoiler} || Excalibur is SO GOOD ||
@outer comet That's what I'm going after, so what I use to get there probably won't be used much.
I like my Hera aspect.
manic bobcat
do you know the requirements for that?
delicate steeple
Maxxing zag would do it. Check the pins in the spoilers channel.
do you know the requirements for that?
@manic bobcat
outer comet
Oh yeah, don't you just love it also when you get absolutely broken builds?
delicate steeple
Talos is great fun with the fists. :D Great for interrupting things.
manic bobcat
oh haha thank you. I just wanted to help you unlock it. I appreciate the reply though. I maxed out my stuff a while ago.
delicate steeple
Oh, I was just passing on the advice I'd been given here. :P
manic bobcat
It's OK. I appreciate the advice anyways!
delicate steeple
I haven't beaten my first Heat level, you're not that far back. :P I just failed several DC1s xD
outer comet
XD Fair! You'll get there.
delicate steeple
I figure, what's one more hit? Turns out, a lot in later stages. xD
outer comet
You guys wanna see the broken builds I got, one with 4th aspect sword and another with Poseidon?
Oh yeah, they ADD UP.
manic bobcat
I bet you clear Styx chambers under 1s
outer comet
Yep
delicate steeple
I want to start sharing my winning builds, just for the giggles to share how wild they get, but I haven't had any since becoming more active in here. xD Can I blame you guys? :P
granite ether
Share them in #h1-builds-and-combat by uploading the screenshots to something like imgur :3
delicate steeple
Let's try CP1, for the giggles.
outer comet
Ohhh
delicate steeple
I use ShareX to grab my screenshots, it autouploads to Imgur and copies the link.
granite ether
If you're using the tech beta build share them in #beta-discussion-june20
granite ether
Just making sure 
outer comet
❤️
manic bobcat
I'm on the beta, guess I'm exiled 😦
outer comet
Lmao
delicate steeple
Don't worry, me too. But I'm having fun so far!
outer comet
I wonder if I can upload stuff from imgur in any practical manner on phone.
delicate steeple
Some of the new things....||they're hard!||
outer comet
But yeah, reddit link to the most broken build I ever had is up in #h1-builds-and-combat
Oh I bet they are. I'm avoiding beta like the plague really, I'm obnoxiously spoiler sensitive when it comes to this game xD
And second broken build is up there aswell
manic bobcat
Hey have you had an Ice Wine Scintillating Feast Cold Fusion Hera Bow run?
now that's the cherry on top 😄
outer comet
Nope, I haven't. That sounds like something ELSE.
past rune
Strangely, I feel as though the Demeter/Dionysus and Aphrodite/Dionysus duos should be swapped
given demeter is the only other god iirc with a stacking debuff, and aphrodite is a god with thick dps (and applying weak instead of chilled would similarly fit the extra burts mechanic)
manic bobcat
take care!
past rune
See ya TLC!
manic bobcat
come again
outer comet
I will <3
narrow hemlock
farewell fellow disciple of ares 🤧
outer comet
:D
past rune
ares just needs some boon love for me to enjoy
prior to the beta, I thought his doom might be fun on the slower arthur swings if it procced per swing, but otherwise I rarely seek out ares (outside of maybe chaos shield and even then dionysus makes me question the war boy)
manic bobcat
Doomfists
past rune
Deflectifists
narrow hemlock
me when i dont have the game open https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/720861667646242866/thinkin_about_ares.png
like right now 😔
past rune
tatz, you're starting to concern me
he's just one god, with a thing for war and some awkward boons
granite ether
tbf, Ares is cute
manic bobcat
I love his hairstyle tbh
past rune
Fox! You betrayed the green side??
granite ether
but so is pretty much every character in hades
hollow heron
Yellow fits your pfp better
manic bobcat
I just got Pyre from the Bundle xD
manic bobcat
yep
past rune
Is there any way to easily and quickly link that all to a steam account?
manic bobcat
good taste!
manic bobcat
past rune
good point
unborn haven
does anyone feel that hades sounds are softer than normal?
sharp parcel
the last patch came out 3 months ago, nothing's changed since
granite ether
if you're referring to the tech beta, ask in #beta-discussion-june20
empty lagoon
so i finished maxing out dusa's friendship meter but i still havent gotten her bedroom scene. anyone know whats up with that?
empty lagoon
but i already intent suicide a few times and finished the compendium for her companion
manic bobcat
A wise person one said: "Most of your Hades problems can be solved by doing more runs."
terse geyser
suicide is bad. do full runs.
you progress faster that way
suicide looks good but it slows you down in the long run
empty lagoon
just like in real life
hollow heron
I firmly believe that below high heat levels every run is winnable
And you can improve a lot by optimising your build choices and your decision tree in rooms
terse geyser
true, until you make gameplay mistakes against the final boss
manic bobcat
below 25 heat every runs is winnable
hollow heron
Well yeah but that's because final boss is final boss
terse geyser
go for first-run clears and you'll see what I mean
empty lagoon
u guys think final boss should have more phases?
hollow heron
First run doesn't have a lot of important Meta stuff tbf
manic bobcat
u guys think final boss should have more phases?
no but EM4 is a thing...
terse geyser
First run doesn't have a lot of important Meta stuff tbf
merciful end+ deadly reversal+brilliant riposte+athena legendary, with divine dash and special, doom attack and true shot is the only build that I've made work
gaunt wyvern
Hey everyone! I'm working on a YouTube video about the state of roguelikes and metroidvanias. Hades really caught my interest as I adore supergiant for a number of different reasons.
I've never been a part of this community, so I would like to ask the community a couple of questions to see if I can get any kind of consensus
- Is Hades difficult? I believe it is, but I'm pretty bad at video games as a whole. My reaction time is doo-doo and I don't want to call the game difficult if it isn't. I think there a lot of reasons to call it challenging. For example, Nothing does too much damage to you, giving you time to react and counterplay opponents. However, there's little healing, so damage is borderline permanent and means every misstep has consequences for the rest of the run. Thing is, those exact reasons for why it's not just hard, but intelligently challenging, might make some consider it easy. So, do people think this game is difficult?
- Are there notable bugs and glitches? I haven't noticed any, but I've played on and off for a little over a year now and idk. The game seems technically very competent and I've never seen Supergiant struggle in this department.
- Do you think being exclusive on the Epic Games Store for (I think) a year hurt the game's audience by a significant amount?
- Are there any balance (or other) issues or mechanics that you, personally, find frustrating? I'll look through the suggestions and old-feedback channels, but if there's anything you want to bring up, please do.
- Do you think the multitude of systems muddies the game, or do you think it enhances the experience? My take is that they all compliment eachother, many mechanics have direct ties to others so none of them feel pointless, and having so many allows for a great amount of player expression and bredth and replayability to the game, but I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on this.
Thank you all for your time!
high island
I think it's important to emphasize in your video that the game is still in Early Access with a release scheduled sometime later this year.
(No exact date yet.)
gaunt wyvern
Absolutely. This video is going to take a while and I'm going back to college, so it might be out by the time I even finish the script. Also, I think Supergiant has done Early Access better than any developer out there. They have a clear timeline, a full patch history, (IN THE GAME, mind you) and having a smaller development team means you can have things like #ask-supergiant which gives insight into what their intentions are for the game. I plan on mentioning all of this, also.
narrow hemlock
I am mobile so I'm not gonna type up a long response since that would take me three days but in response to # 1 there is an accessibility feature to help further adjust difficulty https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1214764622537904129
hearty torrent
Hell Mode and God Mode are very good for difficulty, especially in tandem with ||the Pact of Punishment|| for more difficult play. (though i've heard hell mode is getting phased out?)
granite ether
there's been no word on hell mode being phased out at all
gaunt wyvern
The game is very dynamic, with many ways to adjust difficulty by your own choices. Mostly in preparation, but also mid-run. I've only put about 20 hours in so far so I don't think I've seen God Mode yet, but thank you! I thought the answer might be "Hades' variety of systems means the game is as difficult as you want it to be" and that's my current understanding
hearty torrent
i think i heard it like, once so just ignore i said it at all
probably not even official
gaunt wyvern
It's really cool that God Mode gets stronger if you die during it. That's a really unique mechanic
narrow hemlock
god mode is in the pause menu, it's an option to toggle on and off
gaunt wyvern
ah kk
manic bobcat
Hopefully I can help:
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Hades is difficult. However, I am not very good at using a controller and I manage to beat it in like 20 hours, which is pretty average. I don't think the challenge is "unfair." Looking at you, Dark Souls That being said, since this is a roguelike, I don't expect to 'win" within the first few runs. One particular run where I got to the 3rd stage boss fight I was particularly pumped. One of the best experience I had in gaming.
-
None whatsoever in my experience, though others have reported some. But very rarely game breaking.
-
I got it through Steam so can't comment.
-
I would love so see some accommodations for super high heat runs, like 32+. But I understand this is a bit of a niche within a niche so not every request can be done. But SGG please consider nerfing Bruiser :(
-
I like how each run progresses the game story wise, definitely a big plus and a unique one at that. This propably sounds like a broken record though haha.
deep pivot
That is a long message 
gaunt wyvern
I've made it to ||fighting your dad|| but haven't beaten him, for context
manic bobcat
I tried not making it a wall of text but didn't really succeed haha
gaunt wyvern
@manic bobcat thank you!! I'm using keyboard and mouse. Hades being "unfair" was out of the question. I'm mostly concerned that the same mechanics and game design that means it's challenging rather than just hard for the sake of it, means it might be too easy.
Walls of text are my life, blood, soul, and pasta sauce. Keep em coming
pasta sauce being a redundant noun, in this case
manic bobcat
I think there is something to be said about auto aim on controller
which is the sole reason why I use controller mainly.
KBM players, I'm sorry you missed you haha
narrow hemlock
found my blue tooth keyboard lads its typing time (maybe)
outer comet
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It is certainly difficult, yes! But that doesn't mean it isn't fair. As it ramps up it does get more challenging. However, what I will add is that there is actually quite a bit of healing, so damage isn't so scary! It does come with upgrades and purchasable items, boons, etc..
-
Nope. Not a single bug encountered in my experience.
-
I honestly don't think so. It's been out on Steam for a considerable chunk of time now and that, added to Supergiant's reputation, and also the fact that largely, Epic Store exclusivity hasn't actually affected games' sales much at all, I think Hades hasn't been impacted a lot, if at all.
-
Not really off the top of my head, no!
-
I think they compliment each other also. All the different systems tie in beautifully, and while yes, as a newcomer it can be intimidating, the friendly community, along with the relatively slow introduction of different systems, really allows for this to be explored without it being too stressful.
Sorry if I'm a little late x)
deep pivot
5 minutes late? Nah.
outer comet
I also feel like you should beat the final boss first, purely to explore the heat system, which is what starts ramping up the difficulty.
Anyone agree?
Good point peach
deep pivot
That's how it works currently. You unlock the ||Pact of Punishment|| once you beat the game.
outer comet
^
hearty torrent
oh should i spoiler my earlier comment about that
manic bobcat
5 minutes late? Nah.
What? I'm confused
outer comet
Probs no need
deep pivot
It's not necessary. What should be put behind spoiler tags is mostly stuff related to the story.
hearty torrent
okidoki
deep pivot
I just did it because I thought that "thing" would spoil those who haven't made it out yet 
I meant this
deep pivot
Hey, you will make it out!
gaunt wyvern
Okay, I definitely have a lot of gameplay to do 😄
I haven't fully collected all my thoughts on it
outer comet
I have made it out!
deep pivot
Oh, definitely. And even more after the next update hits! 🎊
outer comet
Too many times.
And yeah Cassie, you kinda picked an awful time, given there is a new update coming out just around the corner xD
gaunt wyvern
I do want to copy/paste a first draft of a paragraph in response to @manic bobcat 's reponse to the last note.
Every run progresses the story, one step at a time, in the hub world. This is really unique, but not game breaking like it could have easily been. The difficulty is super dynamic, which I’ll get into later, but that means that the story moves at a specified pace while your runs can vary wildly. It also means you can usually keep beat with the story if you like. Keeping up with the story with a rule like this is really cool and impressive, because it is something roguelikes often struggle with. They usually compensate for this by letting the story take a back seat. However, Hades’ system means Supergiant can do what they do very well: deliver a compelling, thought-out narrative at the exact same speed. It has all the benefits, storytelling-wise, of a linear game, while being a ROGUELITE. Not the least linear type of game, but damn close.
Yall think this is a fair analysis? I'll work some jokes in, I apologize for it being a little stale atm.
Uhh so when it comes to poor timing, you have no idea
originally the video was just going to be on Hades
That was 11 months ago
I decided I couldn't keep up, especially after my google doc reverted to a weeks-old document and I had to re-write basically everything before I went to college and just gave up
outer comet
Aw
manic bobcat
I think that is fair. But the game also kinda blurs the line between a normal game and a Roguelite game. And that's OK.
gaunt wyvern
and so many important updates came out, with new systems like blood of tartarus and
eehhh
outer comet
There is a lot to explore, yeah.
narrow hemlock
well on the plus side the game has much more content now than it did 11 months ago, its in a much better place
manic bobcat
Someone earlier today came into the server and actually think that there are too much meta progression in the game which can cloud gameplay
outer comet
Hmmm
manic bobcat
which is valid and all. But in this context it's a reminder that Hades is more RogueLITE than even most of ther Roguelite games
gaunt wyvern
I think if Hades has one damning flaw, it would be that
There are a lot of systems in the game
narrow hemlock
thats a fair assessment honestly
outer comet
The only things I can really see as meta progression are:
- Duo boon requirements.
- Legendary boon requirements.
- 4th aspect requirements.
Those do require, in a way, external knowledge.
gaunt wyvern
Supergiant does this all the time though. Transistor did it, Pyre did it. They usually make the systems deep, but ignorable, meaning you might not even use all of their systems in their game
In something like Hades, a roguelite, I think it throws a shawl over that problem
manic bobcat
That's also fair haha, you certainly don't need to unlock everything to win the game.
gaunt wyvern
because preparation for a run means you are always choosing what's more important to you
so I don't know if that's a bad thing or not
manic bobcat
There is an abundance of systems and mechanics
gaunt wyvern
it's just more content in the game
that you just might not use
it's less focused, and I guess less well-crafted
but not objectively bad
it makes the game more fun
manic bobcat
I think Hades is a game where a completionist mindset is not ideal.
gaunt wyvern
and broadens the appeal to players, and gets many of them to stick around if they otherwise might not
vs something like Bastion which I found slow-paced and barren when I revisited it
narrow hemlock
revisting bastion after playing through hades certainly makes you appreciate how far supergiant's come
manic bobcat
agreed...
gaunt wyvern
No doubt! No shade on my part, either. I think Bastion is a more focused game than Hades, at least
manic bobcat
although in my personal experience, I think the narration in Hades is a step down from Bastion. This might be controversial, but I just can't help the comparison.
narrow hemlock
the narration also isnt as big of an aspect in hades as it was in bastion imo. bastion had a silent protag so the narrator had to communicate the events of the game. hades doesnt have a big need for that
gaunt wyvern
That's fair, but I didn't really care for the world in Bastion like I did for Transistor and Pyre. Bastion just feels.. not as well-realized? Which is a shame. But it's also 9 years old and their first game. They knew their strengths even back then though, which is great and led to their success regardless
manic bobcat
After playing Bastion, the narrator voice still stuck in my head, that and 🎵 Fly, the wind it will take me 🎵 ~~~
gaunt wyvern
GUYS
manic bobcat
Narration in Hades gives me a quick chuckle, but that's about it though
narrow hemlock
i dont disagree the narration is a step down but its importnt to note why the narrator was an important role in bastion and why it doesnt have the same level of importance in hades
gaunt wyvern
WHERE THE MUSICIAN GUY STARTS SINGING ON THE BOAT
I got chills when I played it
what's the song name I gotta find it
also a really cool implementation of diagetic sound
brilliant
manic bobcat
Is it In the Flame?
gaunt wyvern
Vagrant Song, actually! Is what I was thinking of
outer comet
AAA
gaunt wyvern
God dude
One of these days I'm going to make a video that's just a love letter to Supergiant
narrow hemlock
i am putting my keyboard away and laying back down lmao but good luck with your video, and maybe we'll see you around more huh? :v dont hesitate to ask more questions
gaunt wyvern
the art direction has always been phenomenal
gaunt wyvern
@narrow hemlock thank you! Rest well! My plan is to stick around but I work 30-50 hours a week so I might not be terribly active 😄
I have another thing listed in a bullet point right now
I think one thing that Hades does to alleviate some of the cloudiness it might cause, is that the powers of Gods are all based on what the gods are
some are a little cryptic, like aphrodite lessening damage from enemies, but they also have tooltips every time you hover the power that tells you what all the resources and status afflictions are so 🤷♀️ I don't really see it as a problem
Others are spot-on, like achille's trinket
More damage from behind, less damage from in front.
beautiful, elegant game design
I also think Hades gets bonus points for tying its themes into its gameplay
every Supergiant game does this
Transistor does it by not only having a linear journey, but its thematic design is all about computers, so it makes sense for it to have gameplay with resources and strategy
Pyre does it by having a linear journey. Pyre is also about cycles, so repeating and going back makes tons of sense. Additionally, its themes of loss are exemplified by losing party members, in addition to encouraging you to get to know its characters and spend time with them so it hurts more when you let them go, as well as giving Pyre's writing and RPG elements a spotlight and greater time to shine
in a more sloppy game, something like that would never have made it through
Hades does it by tying its themes of rebellion, freedom, and expression, by giving you a cornucopia of mechanics to play around with, being a roguelite, and using RPG elements like the mirror to stat your character the way you want them to be stat. The blood system does this too
It also ties its themes of being trapped and controlled, by being a roguelite. I think the fact that the story progresses after every run makes this element stronger
Damn dude I could rave about Supergiant forever
Maybe none of this was intentional, but it has a real effect on me while I'm playing the game, so they get bonus points for it anyway
Hell, even Bastion does it. Themes of reparation and rebuilding are done by having sets of linear places to go and those places tying back to the center. Then again, I haven't played it in 5 years so I might not remember it all that well
sorry for so much text by the way. These thoughts have been brewing for years and nobody will let me talk about them
rough token
this was really cool to read don't apologise
gaunt wyvern
^-^ thank you!
Alright you know what. I'm just gonna make a companion video for the main one that's a love letter to supergiant cause they do all this stuff
manic bobcat
Hey make sure to post in #self-promotion when you complete your vid. I'll make sure to check it out!
Good luck 😄
gaunt wyvern
oh hell that's a channel
uh should I just post my channel there now? I'm really ashamed of 90% of my videos, but I might link one in particular if anyone is interested
rough token
Up to you, what kinda stuff do you post?
And yeah, you can get roles in #bot-commands . Just make sure to always check pins ^.^
gaunt wyvern
Oh, thanks
outer comet
:o
hearty torrent
:O
rough token
Oop lol
gaunt wyvern
didn't know
outer comet
Oof
gaunt wyvern
I prefer to put out longer form, well-scriped and clever content. Though, usually, every time I get into actually making videos, I get lazy or busy or both and sacrifice a lot of their integrity just to get them finished
Thank you all for being so supportive and kind!
outer comet
No worries!!!
rough token
o7
outer comet
welcome!
narrow hemlock
(Small note don't try to get around the profanity filter or the mods will boop you)
rough token
Welcome to Hades, enjoy your afterlife :3
narrow hemlock
alarming emoji thank you
rough token
Which?
gaunt wyvern
oh I will be more careful but I don't know another word for that kind of posting
outer comet
The wink probably xD
rough token
Ah, yeah
narrow hemlock
hammer wink
gaunt wyvern
they're all ominous in their own way
narrow hemlock
also maybe just the use of shenanigans covers the phrase in a non profane way
gaunt wyvern
fair enough
narrow hemlock
I can't think of anything else currently lol but yeah fair warning so the mods don't have to come after you
gaunt wyvern
I will be more cautious 😄
gaunt wyvern
this is by far the biggest discord server I've ever joined so I just didn't expect it
rough token
Mods are pretty chill, except for when we say that, then they pretend to be not chill :3
narrow hemlock
I normally stay away from large servers because I really cannot handle constant activity but I mute channels I don't frequent and the ones I lurk in have their slow periods, so it rarely gets overwhelming
gaunt wyvern
I think the next largest server I joined was for a podcast and it had like 300 members. Then someone made an offshoot with like 30 people in it and I left the bigger one
I get overwhelmed very quickly, with GAD and a busy schedule, so large servers aren't really something I handle well
rough token
GAD?
narrow hemlock
there's a ton of people here but you'll start to notice the amount of consistently active people is actually pretty small
gaunt wyvern
Generalized Anxiety Disorder. More specifically, panic disorder, but social anxiety plays a role in it
rough token
Ah, yeah
gaunt wyvern
that is usually the case with large servers, I hear
rough token
Do you have any preference for your pronouns, or is either fine?
gaunt wyvern
Either is fine. I would have them figured out but I genuinely don't have the time to go to a gender therapist to figure it out. I'm a genetically born male that loves crossdressing and wishes I was born into the other half of the population, but I don't really have dysphoria. I like being called by female pronouns, it makes me giddy, but I'm not going to be offended if you don't
rough token
o7
gaunt wyvern
I'm going to go to bed. It's currently 1am where I am and I open in 4 hours so I need some rest :D
Thanks to everyone for being so kind! Thanks also for letting me spill words aggressively into this servers general direction. I hope I'll be fairly active! I'll definitely be asking this community a few more times for questions and feedback on thoughts on the videos.
Everyone have sweet dreams!! ❤️
rough token
Gnight!
outer comet
It's okay!!! Sleep well and welcome!
hearty torrent
happy dreams!
gaunt wyvern
outer comet
Also I kinda sorta relate to that Cassie.
hearty torrent
i relate hard to cassie's gender vibes
outer comet
XD
narrow hemlock
I reject gender, do not perceive me, I am escaping to chaos's realm if you try
outer comet
You got it
manic bobcat
narrow hemlock
was gonna say become one with chaos but uh hm no never mind that actually, love you chaos but not that much
hearty torrent
become the entropy that feeds this world
deep pivot
Fun note to add: I call them thrashposts
Because Styxbot likes that instead.
In case anyone else was wondering how to call them. Please, don't circumvent Styxbot. Styxbot is sensitive 
hearty torrent
oh, that's a stellar idea
outer comet
Thrashpost, I got my arm torn off?
narrow hemlock
knew peach was lurking somewhere
outer comet
LOL
hearty torrent
shhhhh, we all know peach meant trashpost
narrow hemlock
peach go to bed
manic bobcat
Tatz go to bed
high island
@manic bobcat you're one to talk. You already said good night, yet here you are.
manic bobcat
I usually check my phone before bed
narrow hemlock
waiting on hypnos like I am apparently
manic bobcat
You people need to stop being so interesting.
narrow hemlock
I'm just three birds in a clown suit
hearty torrent
very high praise from you there Fox
high island
Literally everything is interesting to a dog.
deep pivot
Cerberus~
brave thicket
which way does a cyclops wear their eyeliner?
doesnt matter, because Nobody is gonna criticize their makeup\
granite ether
@candid pine no tech beta talk outside of #beta-discussion-june20 please
And please read the #test-branch-readme
candid pine
@granite ether did not know that's beta, sorry
haven't played since knuckles were added
granite ether
If you don't know ask, please post it in #beta-discussion-june20
river zinc
I've tried maxing out Achilles bond twice (till the six hearts-> locked) but it just goes back to being four? like immediately after you reopen the codex page. that's 4 nectars gone to oblivion (no dialogue even)
Is that suppose to happen or I'm missing something? (the other guy's whose story will factor into this looks/works normal like the rest)
old oracle
Does anyone know why my trinkets don't work on the final boss
past mirage
@old oracle This concerns all friends that are also loyal employees to him and wouldn't want to harm him (||Thanatos, Dusa, Megaera||) whereas the others can still be used in the final fight.
granite ether
Letran, I already answered the question in #h1-story-discussion ^_^
but thankyou anyways @past mirage
granite ether
no tech beta stuff outside of #beta-discussion-june20
and please read #test-branch-readme the channel exists for a reason
sly marten
so, if you don't wanna join the beta, when is the patch comming?
granite ether
sometime in june is all we know for now
fathom heath
does anyone else feel the sword is a lot weaker than any other weapon? or am i just using it wrong?
nimble ocean
probably it's because of the design, it's ment to be useful in close combat only, for slow and powerful blows
and because it's slow, when you don't oneshot someone, it feels underpowered, but it's not really
hearty torrent
Base Sword is good on Dash-Strike builds, or high buff percentage Attack boons.
You can mitigate its admittedly slow attack speed with certain Daedalus Hammers or Speed-God Boons
Slow at least compared to Malphon
fading gazelle
does anyone else feel the sword is a lot weaker than any other weapon? or am i just using it wrong?
@fathom heath Ever tried ||Arthur's|| aspect?
granite ether
spoiler tags for sword 4th aspect please @fading gazelle 
fading gazelle
My bad
granite ether
no worries ^_^
fading gazelle
I thought that the non-beta aspects we non spoiler
granite ether
in #h1-story-discussion I would say yes, here I would say no as final boss is considered spoilers
fading gazelle
So anything past first clear is essentially spoiler territory
hearty torrent
4th aspects generally have a bit of story progression spoilers because they need at least one full clear of the game.
granite ether
yeah, just to be on the safe side for those experiencing the game for the first time or haven't had much experience with it
fathom heath
ah, haven't yet @fading gazelle i shall try it
granite ether
we have people with all ranges of experience playing Hades ^_^
hearty torrent
nah, only newbies allowed here
if you’ve played the game more than 50 hours it’s the boot for ya
granite ether
that means I get the boot then rip
hearty torrent
Time to snap the server
patent topaz
i'm bored so i'm reading hades steam reviews and i found some gems, want me to share?
fading gazelle
Please do if they aren't too spoilery
granite ether
sure, spoiler tag them if they contain spoilers :3
hearty torrent
or just toss em into #h1-story-discussion
granite ether
that too ^_^
patent topaz
no no, they're not spoilery
granite ether
just making sure ^_^
share away 
patent topaz
ok first, the one who didn't like it because the women look like men and they don't have boobs
fading gazelle
Waaaaaaaat
granite ether
can't say I'm surprised
patent topaz
and basically said the designs were too tumblr like and weren't like the greek gods
when athena in the statues is as flat as the earth /s
i would share the screenshots but i don't want to flood the channel with pictures
hearty torrent
gonna assume this review came before the nighty night update
patent topaz
yeah right lol actually lemme check
hearty torrent
it’s weird when people say things like: “this depiction isn’t realistic about what this god would look like”
and with that one about the women in Hades not having large breasts
I don’t see why they would.
Greek Gods have always been portrayed as shapeshifters, able to take whatever form the please. For a warrior goddess like Athena, over-large breasts would be a hindrance in martial mobility. Same for a huntress like Artemis. I’ve seen what happens when a boob gets in the way of a bowstring. Not pretty.
patent topaz
ouch were you hurt? I'm flat so idk
hearty torrent
One of my friends was disappointed in Aphrodite’s model because in her statues she’s always a bit thicker. Because that was the beauty standard back then. But it makes sense a shapeshifting goddess of beauty and love would adopt a form that fits more modern conventions of beauty in a modern story about greek myth.
Not personally (not that big), but I saw a few unfortunate girls in my archery unit during PE in high school. And videos online.
patent topaz
oof
also arti is not little but still young
and also meg needs an armor, no bikini armor for me please
i mean now i just let it slide because an outfit dosen't make a game but thank you for making this insane game a bit more realistic
Zag can pop the numbskulls with a cannon and it still makes more sense than a warrior in bikini
also what do you know, a warrior can use a bikini but make it have sense like idk an assassin?
hearty torrent
Mhm. I think the armor-light designs of the furies are pretty good. They aren’t necessarily warriors, they’re meant to chase and harass Greek sinners. So the slim and light profile they cut in the game makes sense so they’re more aerodynamic to fly faster.
patent topaz
yeah by warrior i meant they beat up. A lot.
and i had their bossfights in mind so my bad
hearty torrent
Yeah. Bikini armor in fantasy just doesn’t make sense. If they want protection without losing mobility to armor, just wear light armor that covers everything up. Even hardened leather is better than thin strips of chain mail.
nimble ocean
you know, magic barriers and stuff
that's how are they explain why it works?
to think of it, there are not that many universes, where armour is used, and magic doesn't exist
and there is no such nonsence as bikini armour in them usually
patent topaz
and that's why it does make sense
I'm not against the ✨ sexualization of women in media ✨ to appease the supposed ✨ male gaze ✨ and all that crap but like- it's a matter of putting sense into the game
nimble ocean
male versions of bikini armor make even less sense.. since they go to fight bare-chested
patent topaz
even bikini skins are ok skins are not canon anyway usually
yeah also that
one thing is if the character is strong enough to resist damage by having idk a giant dragon head on their back that eats everything that breathes but another is if they can get hurt
like i said bikini armours can work but make it have sense, it's not the fanservice bad, it's quantity and sense
and maybe even don't put it on children but that's it i don't know anyone that does it
whole tree
any date on blood price official release by any chance?
nimble ocean
and here we have a world of immortals or dead ones
june.. that's all that can be said
no more info
patent topaz
sometimes this month, we're close!
whole tree
cba doing the beta rather wait i guess
patent topaz
yeah if you want but do keep in mind it's the technical beta so maybe things are buggy, do a backup like it's written in the beta rules
hi shrew no time no see you
patent topaz
same lol, was just sharing some funky reviews on steam
brave thicket
why did the number of parking ticket spike when persephone was captured to the underworld
demeter wasn't working
patent topaz
oh you're challenging me?
nimble ocean
at first i've thought that it's some kind of conspiracy theory
patent topaz
you made a pun so now i'll also make one
it's pun night y'all
or day, for me
hearty torrent
I love that i was here at midnight and now again at 7:30
brave thicket
i Thoth that a pun was, ya know, supposed to be punny?
nimble ocean
(also it's funny how the ongoing joke about day or night in the underworld works for this channel too, since there are people from all over the world)
brave thicket
does the name ring any Bel?
hearty torrent
“a fine day or night to you as well, Charon”
oh by all the powers above and below
brave thicket
Asari did i make you uncomfortable?
patent topaz
i don't know bel but i guess that was a pun too
you're on fire today shrew
hearty torrent
Belzebub?
brave thicket
Bel was Babylonian btw
hearty torrent
ah just Bel i see
worthy egret
Shrew is what Anubis in puns
patent topaz
what did meg say when she saw someone exchanging contraband in the house?
brave thicket
well, hes kinda anoobis so idk
patent topaz
"now that's shady"
worthy egret
horr horr
hearty torrent
i would have thought she’d be furyous
patent topaz
oh, you...kine
hearty torrent
;P
brave thicket
i thought she would go straight to the Tisiphone
is there Nobody in the lounge?
or was he achilled?
brave thicket
hes always been a Styx in the mud tho....
deep pivot
Symbo!
patent topaz
hi peach hold on i'm thinking...
brave thicket
your Thoths arent clear?
patent topaz
is that supposed to be a pun on stick in the mud
brave thicket
yes
brave thicket
bruh
deep pivot
What is this with a stick in the mud and an Egyptian god? 
hearty torrent
oh my
patent topaz
pun war
brave thicket
i abhorus that pun of yours
hearty torrent
shrew and symbo are making mythology puns
deep pivot
I approve.
patent topaz
abhor even? Was being that ra about it necessary?
deep pivot
Ra?
hearty torrent
Egyptian god of the sun
hearty torrent
oop
brave thicket
ye me neith-er
patent topaz
i don't even know who neith is 
i'm disadvantaged
hearty torrent
egyptian goddess of war and weaving
patent topaz
my hamster in the brain is ra-nning to let me think about more puns
hearty torrent
egyptian athena basically
brave thicket
not really
deep pivot
According to the wiki:
"She was the goddess of wisdom, weaving, the cosmos, mothers, rivers, water, childbirth, hunting, war, and fate. She was a warlike goddess."
And before we dwelve deeper into Egyptian gods, let's go to #off-topic-discussion
hearty torrent
portfoliois the same at least, almost
brave thicket
she is the divine mother and creatress, on equal to Ptah himself
anyways thinking about the puns has made my brain kinda Khnumb
patent topaz
wait i think i remember now i had an ounce of knowledge about egyptian gods when i was little
wanna seth for the day?
deep pivot
My face when I get ignored 
brave thicket
we are not delving, just punning
patent topaz
Are egyptian puns off topic? What if we switch back to greek gods is it alright?
brave thicket
but its Posi-ble that we are off topic a little bit
deep pivot
If it Hades related, it can be here 
If not, people wandering here will be like "the heck are these people on about?"
I'm a pun lover ❤️
But gotta respect channels' topics, ya know.
hearty torrent
benevolent goddess of law
patent topaz
oh alright so yeah let's switch back to greeks
brave thicket
but if we move to offtopic then the wars gonna die
patent topaz
sometimes it's difficult to hold back from pan-s ya know
hearty torrent
inadvertent greek pun, nice
patent topaz
lol i didn't notice
brave thicket
but we must say ju-No to going off topic tho
patent topaz
if we make greek puns can we stay hera?
deep pivot
Isn't Juno Roman? 
hearty torrent
yay syncretism
deep pivot
OMG Don't mind me bringing the Roman pantheon into the discussion.
brave thicket
if syncretism is legal here then technically we can use norse and egyptian
deep pivot
Well, how about an unofficial peachy rule for this lil game: use puns based on names/places/items/etc. from the Hades game 
I was going to say a pun but that's a spoiler in there so I held it in
brave thicket
i wouldnt mind but dusa mean we cant use other greek beings?
nimble ocean
let's Styx to the appropriate topic theme
patent topaz
what does Zag say when he finishes an encounter in erebus?
deep pivot
Well, I guess other greek beings would be ok
patent topaz
"is onion here"
deep pivot
There's plenty of honorable mentions hidden in-game, after all.
brave thicket
god thats awful
deep pivot
Imma go grab some breakfast but y'all stay punsome
brave thicket
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa i dont play animal crossing this is unfair
patent topaz
if you search him up you'll find out it's harvey because he's an Hyp-pie
deep pivot
Spoiler tag that, please.
brave thicket
oh ye
patent topaz
what did greg do when he found out he liked a game so much he couldn't stop playing it?
He Gavin
brave thicket
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
what does zagreus play when he goes swimming in the Styx?
water apolo
patent topaz
didn't get it sorry is what's the song?
water pool?
omg i thought a song my bad :, )
i know about the sport but not the english name sorry
brave thicket
its your turn, are you gonna make a pun or are you just gonna wait hera?
patent topaz
he had to use a gany-medicine for that poor fella
manic bobcat
You guys hurt my soul.
patent topaz
is your psyche hurt? Sorry
brave thicket
is that a pun on Psyche and Eros, or just an apology?
narrow hemlock
wakes up. sees puns. rolls back over
brave thicket
narrow hemlock
I am no where near awake enough for this, hypnos take me back please 🐑
nimble ocean
🎶 So wake me up when it's all over 🎶
patent topaz
it was a pun psyche on btw
when i'm wiser and i'm older
god that was my favourite song back in elementary school
kindred onyx
nimble ocean
sometimes
rough token
Yo?
waxen ice
When is the June patch? Any word on it?
narrow hemlock
no specific date
waxen ice
it should be this month though, right?
narrow hemlock
its still slated for this month, yes
austere rampart
getting pyre on the bundle yesterday made me appreciate how far the devs have come since then. pyre has its good points, but hades is very well polished
thick ledge
man im torn rn
i'm in love with hades
but i also dont want to play too much and burn myself out before 1.0
i also dont want to play too much and upgrade zag so far that when 1.0 comes around I can just steamroll to the end
outer comet
Play, my friend.
thick ledge
:(((
thick ledge
see the biggest thing rn
outer comet
I'm sorry tatz
thick ledge
is nectar
narrow hemlock
oh you're not going to steamroll anything just through character upgrades
high heat will curbstomp you
thick ledge
do the weapon upgrades not become too op later?
outer comet
I have abandoned the Ares profile
narrow hemlock
I Do Not See You
narrow hemlock
playing higher difficulty takes a lot of things into consideration. just having zag and your weapons upgraded isnt enough on its own
its certainly helpful
but the most important part is your build during the run itself
thick ledge
totally fair, i havent actually gotten SUPER far yet though i'd played with 4 heat already and dont want to get too far before launch is all
but yea build definitely seems to be the most influencial to whether or not you can win a run
narrow hemlock
another thing worth noting is that if the story is of importance to you, playing once 1.0 hits should have dialogue placed where its intended to be through the course of your runs. one of the downsides of early access is that a lot of stuff is out of order as content gets progressively added
i'll probably be starting a new save for 1.0 just for that
manic bobcat
TLC what happened to Ares
narrow hemlock
🥴 once again i am the only true ares follower around here, the disrespect an already outcast god gets 🤧
narrow hemlock
i never got into atla and only watched it a few times for lack of something better to do lol so i cant say. im messing around either way, im an unapologetic ares stan, hades and mythology in general
manic bobcat
I want to sleep and the next thing ik, you abandoned the Hades pantheon.
Smh my head
outer comet
;~;
narrow hemlock
hades is a pretty nice introduction to mythology since it references a lot of varying myths across multiple sources, while still putting its own spin to everything. media based on greek mythology is in itself not uncommon, so to stand out in the crowd you really have to do something unique with it, and i feel hades nailed that.
the entire reason i was immediately drawn to ares from the moment he was introduced to me is because hes entirely different from how popular media always tends to characterize him. you think ares and you expect the typical angry, violent muscle dude decked out in armour but ares here is. deceptively polite. he retains his thirst for violence and bloodshed but hes also oddly a gentleman about it. his mannerisms are respectful. love it, absolutely adore it, this is the Only Ares in media as far as im concerned
narrow hemlock
wuv it, ares has some good myths that arent all about him being a raging loser being made fun of but hardly anyone ever touches on those
its just nice to see a good portrayal for once
outer comet
Yeee
And there are hints of him being bloodthirsty and such thrown around too, his subtle decline to rage in the Trial of the Gods and such. Ares is a really good character, from the perspective of a newbie like me.
narrow hemlock
ares of myth was a notoriously sore loser but in hades his reactions are more gentlemanly while still carrying a threat right under the surface lol he may be telling you fine, lets carry on as kin, but you know hes looking at you like 'cross me again and i'll ensure it's the last'
outer comet
Exactly tatz, sorry I vanished btw
Also yes please don't dive into story spoilers I didn't know anything about him supposedly having a thing for her so yeah.
past mirage
Apologies for that.
outer comet
It's okay!
narrow hemlock
well now half of what i said is out of place bc what i responded to is gone lol so... deletes..
smoky rune
wait wait wait - I just found out Greg does Hypnos's voice
narrow hemlock
yes
smoky rune
That's amazing
brisk trail
He also voiced ||Oralech|| in Pyre.
orchid rampart
Is there fishing in Asphodel? I can't seem to find any but maybe I'm missing them
brisk trail
There is.
It's really hard to see, what I'd do is wait a moment after picking up a chamber reward and listen for the bell.
It's not super loud and it takes a moment after picking up the reward, so it's totally possible to miss.
orchid rampart
Oh is there a bell that indicates fishing? I always walk around the room looking for a flash but that is tedious. I'll keep an ear out
narrow hemlock
elysium are harder to see most of the time, but asphodel's problem imo is that many of the chambers are so large its easy to miss the fishing spots
charred bronze
some of elysium fishing points are near invisible
dense torrent
I didn't know you could fish in elysium 😔
charred bronze
we need a UI part that say "there is a fish" along with "there is a gold pot"
and "x enemies left" even if it isnt a trove
prisma wind
If it helps at all, aside from the bell, the fishing points are visible during combat too, so if you're dashing around madly you'll likely spot them (if you can spare your eyes to check)
Agreed that Elysium fishing spots are very hard to see sometimes
And Asphodel ones are sometimes obscured by bubbles in the magma
dense torrent
I think you're putting too much faith in my ability to focus on anything but dashing like a madman when I'm in combat
terse geyser
I think you're putting too much faith in my ability to focus on anything but dashing like a madman when I'm in combat
@dense torrent do a dashless run. it will make you better at the game
dense torrent
Sounds like pain
narrow hemlock
as someone who feels a great sense of impatience with slower playstyles in games, the sheer thought of playing with no dashes just makes me instantly lose interest in a run honestly lmao
terse geyser
speaking of slow, imagine a zag spear run without hammers
narrow hemlock
loud long suffering sigh..
terse geyser
I committed suicide instead of going through the final boss that time
I had like 20 dps
hallow yew
the entire reason i was immediately drawn to ares from the moment he was introduced to me is because hes entirely different from how popular media always tends to characterize him. you think ares and you expect the typical angry, violent muscle dude decked out in armour but ares here is. deceptively polite. he retains his thirst for violence and bloodshed but hes also oddly a gentleman about it. his mannerisms are respectful. love it, absolutely adore it, this is the Only Ares in media as far as im concerned
@narrow hemlock I LOVE ares in hades... i wish hades himself had a similar treatment.
narrow hemlock
well at least they didnt go straight up villain with him, hes more like. tired, bitter overworked dad who's out of touch with important things going on (or rather shoves them aside because out of view out of mind) and lashes out at his son instead
teal falcon
noob question here, but just did my first clear, wondering if its better to focus on levelling a few aspects, or should I open them all up?
charred bronze
the ares from this game is my favorite representation of him, that how ares should be
the rest are spot on on their respective chiches tho
narrow hemlock
@teal falcon mmm maybe unlock them all and determine which ones you like better, and then level those. that way you dont end up leveling something you decide you dont enjoy playing with
thats just what i would do though, its an investment either way you choose
charred bronze
keep in mind some aspect are straight up better than the base weapon, while others arent even usable without some levels on them
chiron without the levels is very underwhelming
narrow hemlock
yeah. theres pros and cons to both options honestly
could always check the weapon aspects on the wiki and see how they scale as you level them up
charred bronze
also test the overall mechanic they are base on, i personally dont like the achilles spear, the whole dashing to the spear is so troublesome
teal falcon
yeah ive been watching videos, and reading online, I def like a few, but Titan blood does seem at a premium atm,
yeah some of the ones that are rated well, the mechanics didn't appeal to me, ill unlock a few based on my research and see how they feel, thanks guys
charred bronze
it sure takes a long while to get enough titan blood
a base of advice, check the broker in the lounge everytime you die, sometimes he offer, titan bloods for keys, diamonds for gems, or ambrosia for nectar
all good trades
teal falcon
ok good to know, I havn't even spoken to the broker yet (on attempt 16), once I unlock the mirror ill start trading the keys away
thanks!
charred bronze
i actually prioritized the broker deal for titan blood than the mirror early on, since i didnt had enough darkness for the last rows anyway
teal falcon
looking at the broker now, he has ambrosia for titan blood but ill start checking him each time
charred bronze
the very last deal is the limited offer that change sometimes, the rest are regular, so keys are always worth 10 gems unless a deal show up
some deals are terrible, like two titan bloods for a diamond or an ambrosia
charred bronze
you will need them eventually for sure
im still on low heat so i do my runs with golden touch to buy titan bloods in styx
teal falcon
gotcha, yeah ill just keep running for now, just unlocked heat system so probably have a ways to go 🙂
hollow heron
Titan blood only shows up if you're on a heat you've already cleared iirc
It's more efficient to clear new hests
charred bronze
it is random it seems, i havent clear a heat level twice and i seen titan blood
it rotates between diamonds and titan bloods, and i got three titan bloods runs before
barren ember
It's also possible to buy blood in Styx if you hoard your money and don't need it to win
Which I've never done successfully :p
But I did buy a diamond once
hearty torrent
1500 obol is a lot to hoard
charred bronze
i done it a lot, it really put you to the test if you can ignore so many shops and still win
barren ember
If you prioritize chaos money boons and similar it's a lot more doable too
charred bronze
not as easy actually
barren ember
It helps if you have a good build early on, or updated aspects, or both
barren ember
But it's easier if you get them when they do show up
charred bronze
oh of course, unless the condition would be too punishing, you do have to get to styx at least
barren ember
Yeah. I heard that sunken treasure (or oceans bounty?) could give you diamonds sometimes - is that true
charred bronze
have not seen that happen ever and the skill doesnt say it does as part of the options
it does give you gems
also taking poseidon sometimes just to try and get oceans bounty can hurt you more than it helps, i usually just start with the purse for easy 150 gold in tartarus and then switch
hollow heron
I bought diamonds lots on lower heat
Because I'd just have enough and realise I did and not spend any in ely
And it's easy enough I still steamrolled
charred bronze
i once was able to buy the entire shop in styx because it was a diamond instead of the blood
hollow heron
I'm not a big fan of starting purse because I feel like you win by snowballing in this game
hollow heron
(also I'm trying to max all my trinkets lol)
Generally you can snowball by planning out a build
barren ember
You can plan and still not get what you planned for though :p
charred bronze
oh yes, but im on low heat
charred bronze
i still doing my 3 and 4 heat runs, just finish a spear run for three titan bloods
hollow heron
Nice
charred bronze
it is all about adapting to what is offer
barren ember
I count a build as snowballing if I'm not scared in styx
hollow heron
I lost my 15 win streak so I jumped up to 8 heat probably gonna go even higher
Styx is generally not scary especially at lower heats
barren ember
For you lol
hollow heron
Honestly I'm not that great, I've just come to realise that you have to treat runs in this game way differently to other roguelites
hollow heron
Huh
charred bronze
you just have to learn figure what you are aiming for
hollow heron
I only die in Styx if I have the +400% traps and I run into a blade
charred bronze
for example if im offer tidal shot, i switch to demeter in asphodel for a chance to get blizzard shot
barren ember
My worst room is the one with satyrs and snakestone
hollow heron
That room sucks
Generally I avoid the difficult paths unless there's something I want
But I'll often do them 2nd/3rd
Because if you line them up with the sack it's huge
charred bronze
sometimes i take extra rooms just because i need a chance on the charon purple pool to get cast or death defiance
barren ember
Same
hollow heron
I generally don't take extra unless I think my build will struggle with FB and I'll be significantly stronger from ir
Earlier I had a build (turned out to be busted anyways) where I was 30 or so gold off a +2 pom, so I took an extra +2 pom path to effectively get 2 +2's
But generally I just feel like extra paths are greedy
Rn I usually have 2/3 DD going into styx
charred bronze
well often if you dont have 2 DD you are in serious trouble
barren ember
My first win was with stubborn defiance and the accord
Because I would die in Asphodel occasionally without it, before I could afford the DD mirror upgrades
hollow heron
my first win was with shield and Cerberus collar because deflect shield lol
At least iirc
charred bronze
i run broken spearpoint more often since i really hate poison and lasers
hollow heron
I was scared I was wrong that I first cleared with shield but I was right phew
Had to do some discord searching
Reading past me hyping up release spear and claiming release bow was somehow worse than sword was hilarious
That was the worst take I've ever had
Spearpoint is good but I feel like it saves me way less health
Acorn is probably something like 130+ hp
charred bronze
probably correct
currently doing my heat 4 run with fists, entering styx with 1000 gold only but we will see
and it was just a diamond so i guess with are counting on winning now
gonna be weird, with lightning rod plus the deflecto fists of athena
barren ember
Nice, zap him and run away
charred bronze
actually he got creamed, i had deflect on attack, plus rolling nuckles, plus 30% attack speed from hermes and i got support fire in the temple
just press attack and dash back and forth
barren ember
Nice!! That sounds fun hehe
charred bronze
it is broken and the reason fists have that gap between their combo
it also does wonders if you have, merciful end, plus athena dash plus doom attacks
i dont enjoy fists so i aim for broken
hazy iron
is there a consensus about whether aspect of chaos or aspect of zeus is the better choice in general?
I've now played through the game with both and I'd like to improve on one of them
I guess chaos scales better with rank?
and requires less maintenance to aim, I suppose
flat vapor
there's actually some contention, it really depends on preference and playstyle
hazy iron
I felt very turtle-y playing with Zeus
flat vapor
imo i prefer chaos since i don't really vibe with zeus, but some people do way better with it
both require some investment before they get up there though
sharp parcel
Chaos is just awesome, you get to blast fools by simply rushing and using the special
Zeus is gimmicky, you have to play around the spinning platter as that's the only source of your damage
floral shore
Nah, you can combine it quite well with a decent attack. Send out the disc and start whacking.
It works just fine, Chaos aspect is just more straightforward.
sharp parcel
I wish it homed but took away the ability to block or rush
terse geyser
serrated edge with epic aphro attack and epic chaos attack, is pretty good
wide dock
question, sorry if this isn't the right channel but is progress going to reset when this gets out of early access? I wanna go back to playing it but I heard it will reset so I thought might as well wait
terse geyser
it's very unlikely that progress will be reset
it's also a very different experience the way it is now than how it will be in v1.0, so you'll really just be missing out if you wait
wide dock
I see. thank you
sharp parcel
nothing will reset, this is a single player game
wide dock
well, maybe some things will
this is from the FAQ
"We will do everything we can to ensure your existing save data continues to work with any content changes we make. But, there may be times when we do end up making big-enough changes that cause aspects of your progress to reset. We will do our best to limit these incidents and communicate openly around them."
but that's good enough for me
hearty torrent
there have been a few updates where the mirror was overhauled and it reset, but it's always been that the darkness was refunded anyway
sharp parcel
yeah, no progress actually reset
mellow haven
Wasn't mirror overhauled for long winter as well
hollow heron
i believe so
candid veldt
I really hope this game will get popular enough to warrant an expansion where we see Hephaestus, Apollo, Hera and Hestia and get to visit the Mourning Fields and the Isle of the blessed with the two missing rivers Archeron and Cocytus. A guy can dream.
I know that supergiant has never done dlc but I would be willing to pay a lot for that kind of content.
nimble ocean
maybe, just maybe, if many people would ask for it..
brave thicket
well. many people have asked for it
warm dove
the start of last word song always jumbscare me
dawn tangle
I made a concept about that with a Thanatos DLC and used people's interest in order to gauge if i should expand it or not
it didn't really reach that far, i think because people consider DLC as the missing part of an incomplete game, instead of an added part to a complete game
and obviously no one would want this game to be left incomplete, and have the rest sold as a dlc
if anyone is curious, i described Thanatos motivation, gamemode, weapon moveset and weapon aspects
only leaving incomplete the god/goddesses that would give blessing, and the thematic of such blessings, because the topic died by that point, and i really didn't have motivation to write all that for nothing
yeah, i would also be willing to pay for a dlc
as long as it's worth, lets be honest
safe crow
is it possiuble to access the beta with Epic launcher?
narrow hemlock
#test-branch-readme information is there
prisma nebula
Thanks to all the devs for this refreshing and awesome game !
nimble ocean
well, i'm still hoping for at least small post-release updates.. and my friend's idea to see the light someday..
sometimes i think, maybe it would be nice to have some channel dedicated to people's ideas and maybe their discussion.. people clearly want Apollo, people want Persephone's escape stealth-action prequel.. people want another regions of the underworld.. etc..
even if they will never be implemented, people still can dream
narrow hemlock
has your friend considered just making their ideas their own thing, their own story/au/whatever you wanna call it.... im doing this with a friend as it is, we enjoyed the ideas we came up with around hades characters so much we're in the process of separating it from hades and just making it our own mythological story telling with redesigned characters and such.
nimble ocean
that's what happen usually with almost all universes she is interested in
as time goes by, the realizations that it's nothing but a fantasy, and noone really need it, became unbearable
narrow hemlock
well on some level it is kind of unfair on the devs to expect them to implement any person's specific idea if it doesnt fit within the framework of the story they've already set up. this late in development im sure theyve already written most of the remaining story and we just have to wait for it to be implemented. just make it your own thing, nurture it and grow it!
thats the fun with mythology, theres a lot of wiggle room to play with it and make it your own
nimble ocean
doesn't it really?
patent topaz
i was thinking about it and Volus, when i'm gonna get a graphic tablet this year how about i make a Leuce drawing for your friend? I can post it on artworks
nimble ocean
it would be really great
patent topaz
i think i found one of her drawings of her somewhere, anyway i kinda remember the design it wasn't complicated
nimble ocean
there was another one as well.. i haven't posted it though.. maybe it's better to, even if it's an older version
patent topaz
you can wait, i still don't have the tablet so when i have it i'll tell you and you send me the references ok? I promise i won't forget
nimble ocean
okay
really.. as much as it seems like "hey devs, quickly, do me what i want" type of thing, it's actually an attempt to bring the idea to people, to make already good story a little bit better, to take part in all of this, to leave something in history for other people, especially for people with similar problems, who may find the story relative to them
of course noone is obliged to anything
patent topaz
that's why i wanted to do this, maybe since you told me about it. It's not the game but a fanart is still something? Something to make her realize she doesn't need to make history to make a difference and be loved c:
narrow hemlock
well the game is set to launch this year. we're already half through the year. i hate to say it, but i suspect the remainder of the game is probably mostly written by this point. if this idea means that much to you and your friend, make it a hades au, make your own spin on it. dont limit yourself to the expectations of the game's canon story. canon has never stopped fans before lol
patent topaz
plus you talked about her so much now i started getting attached to her you know? Wanted to do something for someone struggling
and to continue what tatz said, she could come here and share her works in fanwork, aside from just chilling with us anywhere in the server. Maybe being part of a community can help her feel less alone
narrow hemlock
honestly even the ancient greeks never stuck to one story in particular, thats why theres so many variations to different myths. no reason the same cant be done with hades, its just yet another interpretation
again, if this stuff means that much to you, then nurture it. dont stop yourself because of the game's canon. let it continue to grow beyond that and make it your own idea
nimble ocean
well, if people will like it, that is.. she is afraid to be rejected too much.. from what we both experienced in the other fandoms, people either ignore most of the fan stuff or even hate it, especially OCs with relations to main characters
from what i've seen, this community is different
quaint wind
sgg fandoms have always been pretty open to ocs and aus and general fan content
like pyre has tons of reader ocs
narrow hemlock
i skipped pyre so i couldnt say on that front, but based on my general experience watching fandoms, an inevitable part of fan stuff, esp fan specific content is that it will almost always get overlooked if the artist doesnt hold some kind of notoriety in the fandom. additionally its hard to get noticed in general with smaller, niche fandoms like hades. but you shouldnt look for other people's approval for your own stuff, i think. that shouldnt take precedence over its own meaning to you
quaint wind
i wouldn't say fan content gets overlooked if the person isn't popular. perhaps less attention, but there's always someone. but yeah it's always good to make content for yourself instead of other people. it's a lot more fun when something is made from enjoyment for the serious vs for other people
you'll just be miserable if you're always looking for attention and not your own joy
(can speak from experience)
narrow hemlock
"based on my general experience" its not something meant to be taken as something thats guaranteed to happen but its something i see a lot. but the point im trying to make is that you shouldnt let that stop you, honestly
i see posts around twitter a lot that go to the effect of "sometimes fandom is just you and your handful of friends" and i find that kind of apt lmao. as long as you and the people you're sharing the experience with are enjoying yourselves, thats what should matter
quaint wind
right right. like im in the bastion fandom still even though it's essentially dead but i have a great time sharing fic and ideas to just a handful of people
narrow hemlock
sometimes fandom is just you and your handful of friends in a dead fandom! i feel that. and i get it can be frustrating sometimes too, because you want to share your ideas and you want people to like them. but above all you should ideally enjoy for yourself first
nimble ocean
well, idk how to put it.. maybe this should be even moved to #off-topic-discussion, but at this point she thinks that if what she makes, photos, drawings, stories etc, means nothing to anyone else, that it's not important enough to exist. and her ideas is trash, and she is bad at anything.. that's what her mother telling her every day for years. she doesn't believe in herself and people anymore, much like Leuce in her story, and what she needs is a disproof of that.
quaint wind
yeah let's move to #off-topic-discussion
cedar swan
Btw, what do people think of the way Supergiant adapted Greek mythology in Hades? I feel like I'm okay with with their creative freedom when it's for gameplay and/or story reasons (for example, Orpheus and Eurydice's myth is probably my favourite one in all of Greek mythology, but I feel their version, while not super true to the original, fits both gameplay- and story-wise), but I feel they're doing the mythology sort of a disservice with the complete rewrite of a lot of character relationships solely for the purpose of being more "politically correct" regarding what's looked down upon/taboo in today's society.
Like, I can understand censoring things like rape and the Greek gods' overly tendency of victim-blaming when it comes to incidents involving other gods.
charred bronze
if this was a game like darkest dungeon or blashphemous i could see them use the true to source material
gaunt wyvern
I wouldn't call it disrespectful. I think providing their own twists on it and adapting some of the characters, make them less "moral personified" and more actually unique characters with genuine traits.
charred bronze
i do like how they get mad at you when you dont pick them and then forgive you right away
show their personality really well
gaunt wyvern
Some of them are censorship, but probably because things like rape don't fit the theme of the game and would be incredibly jarring
charred bronze
they are basically matching the tone of the game, less dark but not cartoony
cedar swan
@gaunt wyvern As I said, I'm okay with that censorship, but when it comes to their very incestous relationships and things like that... like, they're Gods, not humans, so just because you include incest in the game doesn't mean that you encourage it or anything like that.
charred bronze
well, there are some mentions of that
nimble ocean
i think, some kind of value alteration has been there even when the myths were being created
charred bronze
particularly in the romance option of zagreus
and achilles saying it isnt uncommon among gods to be poly
nimble ocean
at some point Dio used to like ritual dismemberment and sacrifices
cedar swan
@nimble ocean absolutely, but some things have been very static
charred bronze
we do have to keep in mind, the gods are but a mirror of what humanity see as godly, and modern culture have change
cedar swan
@nimble ocean for example, Zeus being the father of Persephone
nimble ocean
also, Roman versions were more brutal sometimes
charred bronze
i have to say i like this version of ares more
very sofisticated like a gentleman with bloodthirst
cedar swan
I mean, Zeus is like the father of half of Greek mythology, I don't think there was a need to censor that part of him
charred bronze
he sure is a player
nimble ocean
he still is
cedar swan
It's like one of the main things that makes him such a fun character
charred bronze
i think demeter have things to say about
narrow hemlock
i disagree to your opinion that they're doing mythology a disservice. many parts of mythology had multiple variants to myth because many stories were told orally for hundreds, thousands of years before they were written down. in today's media, using mythology as inspiration isn't an uncommon thing. if you want to stand out from everyone else, you need to have a unique take on what you're doing, and supergiant accomplished that in my opinion
essentially, i disagree to the notion that mythology has to be told in a certain way, that it has to be consistent with the myths of old, when the old myths often weren't consistent themselves.
cedar swan
@narrow hemlock still, I think the main issue I have is them making the gods less flawed and more "godly" than they're typically depicted
narrow hemlock
they are flawed, but they aren't a main focus in the story.
charred bronze
true, they have a lot of flaws just not really shown
narrow hemlock
they're not meant to be seen as more than side characters that assist in the story's narrative, so you only get the bits and pieces of them that are largely still relevant to zagreus
charred bronze
just see hades himself as a father
narrow hemlock
there's a lot of stuff that's hinted towards but not delved into
charred bronze
overall i wish there were more characters around, like the ones in the ! rooms
would make for great stories
cedar swan
In Greek mythology, Gods are typically described as "as humans, but MORE". If they're happy, they're indescribably more happy, if they're vengeful, they're indescribably more vengeful, if they're benevolent, they're indescribably more benevolent, if they're horny, they're indescribably more horny, and so forth. I simply feel like they made them more virtuous and less flawed, which makes them feel less "human" and more like stereotypes.
narrow hemlock
all those things you just described are still there and still reflected in their personalities, just not as blatant and in your face
cedar swan
Like, in my opinion, the sheer absurdity of a lot of Greek mythology stories is one of its main selling points
charred bronze
greeks were very full of themselve honestly, seeing gods are "they are just like us" basically putting themselve close to the divine
cedar swan
If you remove the absurdity factor, you're only left with very bland stories that exist solely to teach morals/explain natural phenomenon
charred bronze
but i like imperfect gods way more than perfect ones
nimble ocean
well, my friend did suggested Leuce to be one of the (!) characters in Elysium along with Patroclus.. there could be more than one in other levels as well, and there are none in Styx yet..
charred bronze
i would like alternative zones with extra characters
a different part of elysium with heracles as boss
narrow hemlock
based on your previous comment, if your main draw to mythology is the "taboo" aspects, i'm not really sure what to tell you friend. you can make mythology interesting without needing to use those aspects just because that's a common feature of mythology. again, all those things you described are still there.
nimble ocean
somehow, even "modern" gods are more divine and further from humanity, they're easier for understanding
charred bronze
well as science start to explain more stuff, it leave only the divine for gods
cedar swan
@narrow hemlock It's not the taboo in itself, it's the absurdity of the character interactions. Like, Poseidon raped Medusa in Athena's temple, and everyone is like "yea, it's completely reasonable that Medusa is punished and being turned into a Gorgon" as a result (with Poseidon getting off scot-free)
charred bronze
not to mention the story of aracne
cedar swan
Haha, yea
charred bronze
saying she was better than athena at the loon, and she was
athena didnt took the lose well
cedar swan
Gods (especially Athena, who's supposedly the patron of justice) tend to be super petty in Greek myth
nimble ocean
"so, i'm trying to help you here, and you've picked someone else's help? suffer and die, please"
i think that part stayed
charred bronze
"but but you didnt give me a choice!"
" i cant even leave the room without picking one of you!"
red coral
Hi, please don’t try to avoid the swear filter!
narrow hemlock
I don't see the merit in strictly sticking to one specific telling of mythology just because that's what people know and are used to. there were many classical texts and orphic hyms that had different tellings of myths and interpretations of gods. greg has gone on record saying he's used many of these different sources as inspiration
past mirage
Whenever a group of women asks me which one of them I find the most attractive, I bust out the story of Paris and the Apple of Eris.
cedar swan
And I think downplaying that aspect removes one of the biggest charms of Greek mythology imo
narrow hemlock
and i comb through the dialogue quite heavily in my spare time, i assure you those aspects of benevolence, pettiness, vengeance, ect, they're literally all still there
i have nothing further to say on this topic honestly
charred bronze
they are just colored for fun, rather that for grim vengeance
red coral
I got somethin to say
Y’all excited for the June update of Hades 👀
narrow hemlock
yes
nimble ocean
indeed
quaint wind
it's so cool to see what they add every update
red coral
Niiiiice
Been peeking at the beta channel occasionally and getting even more hype to try out the new content
narrow hemlock
youre spoiling yourself 0:
charred bronze
it only makes you wonder whats gonna be in store for the final release
quaint wind
early access has been such a fun journey, like just seeing ares's first art to where it is now
red coral
I’m the kind of person who believes that good content will remain good regardless of the element of surprise! But I’m not trying to dig too deep either
narrow hemlock
see i thrive on spoilers cause looking at that stuff just makes me more excited so i tend to seek it out
red coral
Haha, nice!
narrow hemlock
the ares wip art... clenches
red coral
Oh mood
cedar swan
@narrow hemlock As I said earlier, I don't have any problem with that part... I just feel like this way of doing it is like doing a WH40K adaption which feels "realistic"... like sure, there are some decent ones, but the best ones are always the ones that completely embrace the sheer absurdity of the universe... but yea, probably time to accept we have differing opinions on this ^^
red coral
I remember when Ares didn’t have a portrait in the game... what a throwback
flat vapor
petition to replace all portraits with their concept art
narrow hemlock
ares sir... i'd die for u
ares: You Will.
flat vapor
we want wip ares back
cedar swan
@red coral Also, yes, ofc... I'm keeping myself from downloading the technical beta 😄
narrow hemlock
no i dont want wip ares back speak for yourself
flat vapor
we want wip ares back 😌
red coral
Yes fam, we’re gonna go in for a good time on the first time
Love me some stable new content
cedar swan
@flat vapor they could do something like Slay the Spire, where the concept art is an optional unlockable
(which is hilarious, because most concept art is literally paint drawings :D)
past mirage
The Slay the Spire concept art is really funny in some cases.
red coral
Quick concept art and 200 hour concept art are both great for entirely different reasons
charred bronze
the name of some cards then you see the artwork and are like...oh ok i see
establishment is just...perfect
cedar swan
@past mirage as a programmer, https://i.redd.it/zx7bejq6mlw01.png is wonderful
past mirage
Indeed.
I only noticed these when I played the beta for the fourth character. But we're getting off topic here...
charred bronze
deux ex machina being a random bus hitting an enemy..
red coral
#off-topic-discussion does exist if you’d like to continue this conversation 😁
gaunt wyvern
@cedar swan never said it would be encouraging it. Just that it's a scandalous, heavy topic that they might not want to represent in their fast-paced roguelite. It would seem very out of place. Additionally, if they leaned into it, you would get rid of that jarring quality, but sacrifice other themes in the process. It might also be hard for them to find a place on game marketplaces as they might not want a game on their store that blatantly has so much of it. I don't feel that it's important to maintain the integrity of ancient Greek mythos, so taking creative liberties that help their game to spread and improve the feel and thematic design of the game are totally welcome in my opinion. Cerberus being a bribable house puppy is another one of those things that is, while not necessarily original or clever, very fun and makes the game have its own identity.
cedar swan
@gaunt wyvern as for marketplaces, Steam straight-up started accepting sex games like over a year ago or so, so I don't think that would've been a problem
@gaunt wyvern I LOVE Cerberus being a bribable house puppy
red coral
Hey gang, with all respect, let’s let this conversation thread lie
cedar swan
And I feel there are so many examples in Greek mythology that would fit perfectly with that wonderful absurd vibe
Like, Medusa being a super-shy house-waifu is also awsome
charred bronze
i kinda expected dusa to have a crazy angry side that was scary when you push her too much
cedar swan
It would be so much fun if they implemented her like that as a companion
like being super crazy and blood-thirsty, and then completely reverting when she leaves 😄
hearty torrent
There is no one canon of greek mythology, so saying any one story is doing the mythos overall a disservice is…yeah.
In regards to Zeus, Demeter has a line that explicitly calls him out for a “boast” about siring half the countryside.
hearty torrent
And the myths in which the gods are overly petty, such as Medusa’s “origin” and Arachne, are both tellings from one storyteller (Ovid) who had a grudge against authority that he added into his retellings of myths.
Demeter’s and Ares’ personalities in this game I love.
You can feel the bloodlust in Ares’ every line hidden behind his gentlemanly facade. It’s a lovely analogy to European attitudes to war prior to the World Wars. This very fantasy-ridden view of glory that hid all the death and ruthless violence of reality.
charred bronze
yeah much less barbaric killing like other despictions of ares
poseidon just seems like that fun uncle, not much god of the waters
hearty torrent
Nitpick: he’s just the god of the seas, not god of all water. That’s the Titan Oceanus.
I like that Poseidon’s temperament matches that of the seas. Calm and relaxing most of the time, but violent and almost vengeful when he’s angry.
And I like exploring this almost inferiority complex Poseidon has in-game. He’s second eldest and ruler of the seas (which were very important to the greeks), but his brothers are seen as more important. His younger brother is King of Gods and the divine arbiter of justice, and his older brother is Ruler of the Underworld and all Dead.
charred bronze
and he is left with the ocean, not even all water
hearty torrent
mhm
Like people say Hades got the short straw, but he did get control of everything below the earth's surface.
old tundra
anyone knows if the devs will add any content beyond the v1.0 release?
manic bobcat
I don't think anyone but the devs know
Although the haven't mentioned anything beyond 1.0, so I doubt it.
nimble ocean
they said they have no plans yet, their main goal is to get to 1.0, and then they'll see
narrow hemlock
soaks up ares acknowledgement, we love to see it
barren ember
Hey I have a bone to pick with ya boy
I was standing up to Theseus after (regrettably) killing Asterius
like, "what now, bro"
and then he's all standing there, like, "Olympus, heed my call!"
And then before I know it, Ares did all kinds of stacks of damage to me!
narrow hemlock
romantic
barren ember
yeah
narrow hemlock
he aims to please
barren ember
i think he's mad I didn't pick his boons lately
like, they'd be showing up in all the stores, but I'd be like, nah man I'll hit you up some other time
i'm already hanging with this other crew, of like zeus poseidon and demeter
and DIO
narrow hemlock
oh yeah you mean the crew that continually makes insults toward ares 🤪
barren ember
I haven't noticed as much Ares hate as I thought
Even though he fought (is fighting?) against them over Troy
narrow hemlock
oh most of the olympians have some thinly veiled commentary about him
barren ember
They also constantly trash talk each other.
hearty torrent
while i’m pretty sure it’s impossible, if not unfeasible, it’d be funny if you managed to grab a boon from every olympian Theseus can call for aid from, and he just has to stand there like a doof.
narrow hemlock
and later on when you bond up with nyx ||and get the dialogue where ares seeks her out, nyx confirms that ares is indeed an outcast among his family on olympus||
hearty torrent
I don’t remember too much shade at Ares from the other olympians, though I distinctly remember Athena throwing shade a bunch
narrow hemlock
most of them do it
hermes and dionysus are among the lightest though, artemis is more annoyed than anything, since shes just generally annoyed at anyone interrupting her alone time as it is. the most hermes comments is that ares increases his workload, but especially the older generation of olympians look down on ares more than the younger generation
barren ember
I think it's rarer to see the olympians genuinely praising each other
although Dionysus seems to do it
narrow hemlock
they do retain their pettiness
hearty torrent
my best memory of olympians throwing shade is the lines aphrodite has for poseidon on their duo.
barren ember
"oh you've already met so and so, let me give you some wine!"
narrow hemlock
aphrodite and demeter like. blatantly insult the other gods at points lmao. but aphrodite does it more rarely than demeter does, demeter is truly channeling her bitter old grandma energy
dense torrent
She's aged past the need for a filter
barren ember
makes sense ||having lost a daughter||, and taking it out on the other olympians for probably not caring much
narrow hemlock
unfortunately shes taking it out on mortals as well
barren ember
Not saying it's logical to do that, but it makes sense emotionally
narrow hemlock
its a good thing the gods rarely operated on logic anyway 😂
hearty torrent
talking about demeter’s shade on the olympians reminds me of ares’ politeness. He comments how their portfolios are typically opposites, but he likes how they’ve aligned recently
life-giving agriculture vs death-dealing war,
now life-sucking winter and death-dealing war
narrow hemlock
my fav thing about ares is that hes honestly incapable of being rude to anyone. almost everyone else throws shade all day long but the most he does is say 'well their method isnt as efficient as mine is, i shall demonstrate.' he never directly insults anyone
this is the more creative side of me talking but frankly you could spin that around some excellent character whump. we know he's still considered an outcast, just as he was in myth (except considerably toned down), so like. the fact he brushes off snide commentary made at his expense and remains overall polite... veeeery interesting setup for some angsty backstory