aaand i got bombed in the face yay now off to another 20ish runs before i see asphodel again THANKS MEG
#h1-discussion
patent topaz
clever halo
I think I had a Family Guy flashback there.
Which is especially weird because I've only seen like three episodes of it ever.
I had a great one earlier today where some variety of Asphodel critter would drop 3 instantly-exploding bombs around me for 15 damage each. It definitely didn't impact my run or ruin my face at all.
gaunt dome
That attack is so hard to telegraph, they use that same stance to jump
clever halo
I thought if I had a problem, yo, you'd solve it. 😦
obsidian pulsar
Whelp, I nearly had a goddamn heart attack. Got to Elysium boss fight and lost 2 of my 3 DD because my controller died right in front of ||Asterius||
Just replaced my wired 360 controller with wireless xbox one and did not realise that you have to have a separate battery pack if you want to recharge it. Seems crazy to me they don't just make the damn controller rechargeable as standard
nimble ocean
this is why i keep them wired all the time possible
obsidian pulsar
I was using wired but the wire was really bugging me, especially if i had to use headphones at the same time
so treated myself to a wireless xbone controller - it is pretty nice to use overall but yeah - separate battery pack is dumb
think i've been spoiled by the switch pro controller
minor stone
Does anyone prefer mouse + keyboard over controller?
I feel like certain things don't work well with my mouse + keyboard
When I use the sword, it is awkward to load up the the special (Q) while then trying to press the two arrow keys followed by spacebar (dash) to move in the appropriate direction
I wonder if any developers use mouse + keyboard as their main ways to play (in a non-development environment)
Also @obsidian pulsar why wouldn't you just connect your Switch controller to your computer?
vast junco
i feel like amir might've mentioned one time in an update stream that it's pretty varied among the team?
some choosing kb+m, some preferring gamepad
flat vapor
i do dash/attack towards cursor
flat vapor
easier to control
minor stone
Since sometimes I like to sort of strafe with dash against an enemy
Have you tried controller?
flat vapor
nope, don't have one
rough token
I prefer mouse+keyboard, but I use slightly different keybinds. I moved the Special to RMB (because I tend to spam it more) and the Cast to Left Shift, so I can press it while still having full movement
rough token
👍
minor stone
What about if you do a Herra cast build?
rough token
if I'm doing a primarily cast build I'd swap Special to Left Shift and Cast to RMB
can swap during a run so no issues
minor stone
The "key" is to use shift button instead of Q
rough token
ye
minor stone
Pun intended :p
rough token
:3
minor stone
You play on Hell Mode?
rough token
definitely
minor stone
So much to discover, great music and voices, art style is cool
Everything about it is awesome
Thanks for the key bind tip
rough token
sure thing!
flat vapor
i put special on e, it's easier on my fingers
final kayak
i had to go to easy mode to compensate for my laptop dropping frames like no one's business on hydra and after
like, i can actually feel the framerate drop on elysium. granted, i'm playing on an intel core i7-6500u/intel hd graphics 520/8 gigs ram laptop from 2016 that wasn't built for gaming
it's honestly a miracle that the lower floors in hades run perfectly on this thing lol
vocal pier
finally finished it! cant wait for the next update. Need to know whats next
final kayak
ya, i've been staying up way too late playing bc vacay
junior galleon
if you log in into epic game store now you get gtav for free and a 10€ coupon
Right now Hades only costs 16.79€
with the coupon you can get hades for 6.79€
thats a pretty good deal i think
little ridge
If i max out an npc ❤️ do i get any gameplay benefits?
brisk trail
Yes.
minor stone
How do I unlock fishing lol
I had it in my first playthrough
I switched to Hell Mode on a new save
No idea why the thing for fishing isn't appearing in my shop
Bug perhaps?
little ridge
@brisk trail what do i get ?
brisk trail
Special items that can only be used a limited time per run.
minor stone
What?
little ridge
Oh thanks
minor stone
Oh you were answering split
Well, no idea why the fishing rod contract hasn't appeared, guess I'll continue without it sadly
narrow hemlock
forgot to mention those special items are only from specific npc, not all of them
i do feel that should be noted
barren ember
I'm curious what triggers the different fates to appear at the end of Tantalus - I've had all three, but only the passions one once. Will I find out by playing more?
PS I am so into the storytelling of this game...
I wish I could take breaks from the gameplay and just listen to stories sometimes
Probably haven't unlocked that room yet :p
narrow hemlock
the furies? who ever shows up is random
though if you mean why they're there, there was dialogue foreshadowing their appearance before you actually face them for the first time that explained that
barren ember
I had Meg every time, until recently
I don't see anything explaining why they'd take turns but I could have missed it
acoustic sand
its explained
vast junco
it's mostly due to ||meg's performance as the tartarus "gatekeeper" being called into question and criticized by Hades, who brings in her sisters to take care of the job alongside her, despite her protests||
manic bobcat
Ok, but what in game mechanic triggers that exactly?
vast junco
pretty much defeating meg a number of times
acoustic sand
yea
vast junco
it's simply and cleverly integrated
vast junco
infamous dev
barren ember
I'm assuming I'm not far enough to look under that spoiler
high island
Probably.
manic bobcat
Don't worry. The reason why you see 3 different Furies will be repeatedly hammered in your head. You can get more info by just talking to Meg also.
narrow hemlock
well technically if the other furies have shown up, you should have already seen the dialogue for that spoiler, because its required before they'll show up
vast junco
very true
manic bobcat
I mean you can talk to Meg after and still put together the reason.
languid wing
Anyone know when is the next scheduled major update? Away from my pc so I can check in game
smoky rune
June-ish they said
sage marten
infamous con dev man
orchid zealot
so I heard that some attacks (final boss) can't be dodged? which attacks are those, or is there some way of knowing?
acoustic sand
idk but i'm having so much difficulties dodging some of the last boss's attacks
obsidian pulsar
I think pretty much anything can be dodged if you time it right. The large circular AoE from final boss is tricky since the time between the telegraph and the actual attack is quite long compared to everything else and throws you off. Or it does for me at any rate.
brisk trail
I'm guessing they meant the lasers
obsidian pulsar
Oh right. Yeah, you've just gotta die behind cover when you see the telegraph for that.
brisk trail
or stand on top of (the final boss)
obsidian pulsar
Such spoilers :p
brisk trail
oh oops
obsidian pulsar
I prefer to take cover. Or use a maxed Poseidon/ares/Athena call
acoustic sand
the lasers don't cause problems cause i hide behind a pillar, but i suffer a lot from the other attacks, like, the green ones with the waves and the skulls on fire
unrelated but i'm getting better at the game and amassing resources, it's so satisfying to improve the decorations and your relations with the characters
sooo satisfying :3 i just with i could get some gems faster
high island
Could just move final boss discussion to #h1-builds-and-combat. 
orchid zealot
yall I meant the dodge mechanic like from plume lmao
high island
I think any other spin attacks like that also can't be dodged. But I'm not sure. You'd have to go and test it yourself.
sharp parcel
gem procurement is definitely a massive bottleneck still
they'll probably lower the price of household items again
acoustic sand
i think they should just increase the number of gems you get along a run, like, in the gem rooms
obsidian pulsar
Eh, I get a steady gem supply from fish and troves
orchid zealot
don't think so, besides buying from the well
obsidian pulsar
I'd say I get a stonewhal maybe 3 out of every 5 runs. Add that to 1-2 scyllascions and you're looking at 200 gems just from fish
sharp parcel
the problem with troves is that they're random AND they cost money to force
I don't need an HP trove when I'm at full HP
obsidian pulsar
Yeah, troves are unreliable. And I hate paying for one and getting HP that I don't need
orchid zealot
sometimes the trove will drop a nectar, but yeah can't reliably farm anything from them
sharp parcel
in fact, with the 80% heal from darkness talent, I don't wanna see HP troves at all
obsidian pulsar
Yeah exactly
orchid zealot
I'm looking at the wiki but I can't find the poseidon boon that gives 20% chance of fishing, is that just like an event?
if not that's one way to try for farming gems, just going poseidon every time and pray
solar trail
SO what youre sayin is, the deal i took of giving one blood in exchange for 200 gems was worth it
light bay
Same here 
acoustic sand
😭
void vigil
Ever since I figured out the rare fishing window, I have trouble getting anything but them
I can’t finish the slavug codex entry :(
clever halo
Wish I had your problem.
acoustic sand
lol
rugged glacier
I can’t finish the slavug codex entry :(
@void vigil I didn't think that was actually possible, lol
void vigil
well I probably can, but I tend to find fishing spots in asphodel the least often
And in my attempts to catch normal fish I end up being too late
high island
Common fish are a myth.
void vigil
still waiting on those ||chaos fish......||
high island
They're not real.
sharp parcel
300 hours in and I've only ever seen a single primordial fishing spot, and that was during Poseidon's event
void vigil
ill get 4 chaos gates a run and not get the opportunity 
sharp parcel
the rarity is simply unreasonable
high island
We'll get them in June. Stay strong.
upper meteor
It's my hope that we get to wander the surface a bit finding persephone
And we get to catch stock photo fish
dawn tangle
reaching the mountaintop probably not
but wandering a bit outside its quite likely
the thing is that the game is called hades
once you get outside of hades, away from hades, it's kinda done
dawn tangle
same as we probably won't meet the gods (in flesh, so to speak)
acoustic sand
but now that i progressed the story i have the feeling Zag's place is nor mountaintop heaven nor hell
dawn tangle
they probably won't like that we go straight for anything that ain't them
dawn tangle
yep, sorry, forgot that's a spoiler
acoustic sand
i feel like either Zag's place is in Hell forever trying to get out, or it's...in the middle of 2 places. I can't imagine him living a mortal life
dawn tangle
i won't discard the idea of him going back to hell after it's all said and done
acoustic sand
ok so maybe ill say sth in the spoilers chan
dawn tangle
olympus is cool, but the more i play, the more i realize that hades is zagreus's true home
acoustic sand
Olympus would be great :/ but yea
dawn tangle
i wouldn't mind another game in the same place, but from the point of view of another god
but supergigant games doesn't like revisiting already done universes XD
high island
I like stories that have an ending.
clever halo
Poseidon. He's always pushing people around.
Also, you're going to love life then, Mewmew. ^_^
high island
Funny.
dawn tangle
i do not know about bastion, for i didn't play it
but i know for sure transistor didn't end in a way they could revisit
pyre not sure just heard rumours
thing is that zagreus's story will have an end
they rest? not so much
greek mythology is quite crazy
dawn tangle
apollo was described as quite powerful
yet he hasn't even appeared
everyone got a spoon for the soup, but poor old apollo is missing out
dawn tangle
the sad part would be having him trapped in a neverending story, don't you think?
forever trying to escape hades, or forever looking without finding what he wants to outside
sinful star
What if he gets to ride Falkor, the Luck Dragon?
brave thicket
its not greek?
sage marten
neither is arthur and that doesn't stop us from using excalibur
falkor coming on the next patch confirmed
acoustic sand
i could picture Zag forever trying to escape...
but i also wish for him to find other quests
sage marten
yeah, that's how i think it's going to go too
acoustic sand
idk, all in all, i just ADORE the story so far, so i can't tell otherwise and i don't wish for anything in particular
sage marten
everything so far points towards him being on an endless loop of attempted escapes
that's also why i said he might actually be a god of rebirths in a way
acoustic sand
i just wish for MOAR
brave thicket
i wish for theophagy to appear in game
acoustic sand
I guess since i love Zag i would like him to wander outside and get more of what he wants, also i'm curious about the gods etc and i think the game encourages some of that curiosity about the outside world, so who knows
you want to eat who ?
brave thicket
zag
sage marten
all the gods
brave thicket
but anyone will suffice
acoustic sand
zag is mine, hands off
acoustic sand
he's a sugar dish
brave thicket
maybe
sage marten
are you going to simmer him with nectar though
brave thicket
simmer him with the golden shower
sage marten
no
dawn tangle
there ain't probably much to see outside
sage marten
i'm sending over the furies shrewmouse
brave thicket
golden shower is made with ichor and a spell tome
so it makes sense to simmer him in ichor
pseudo lark
Do you have to unlock the Codex somehow? Whenever I try to open it a red X appears above my head
sage marten
you need to be in a room without enemies to open the codex
quaint bramble
I believe a specific NPC has to give it to you? ||That NPC being Achilles?|| The problem is that some of these things are out of order for people since story events get added to older save files when SGG pushes an update.
But yea, if a room isn’t cleared the codex won’t open. It happens to me a lot on the first room of a run when there’s simultaneously enemies and a boon
clever halo
That fresh file I started a bit back doesn't have Codex yet after three runs
sage marten
it can take a couple runs until achilles gives you his codex
rigid laurel
literally just joined in to know if anyone here knows about when the next major update will be live ?
brisk trail
Next month.
jolly lodge
June
fading gazelle
I was wondering if anyone could help me understand the basic lore behind "Chaos". I love Greek mythos but all the different renditions of stories barely seem to mention them. They seem really cool and I love the way that supergiant portrays them. So if anyone has a place that I could start that would be great!
wind nest
June is not far away I'm surprised we haven't seen a blog post yet
pseudo lark
I can't even open it in the House
I guess I haven't gotten it yet, I'll just wait a while longer
narrow hemlock
@fading gazelle decent enough starting point with references to varying classical works that mention them https://www.theoi.com/Protogenos/Khaos.html
fading gazelle
Thank you so much! 
narrow hemlock
as with much of whats in game, sgg has taken myth and put their own spin on things
deep pivot
Ah, there they go, ѕнσυкαι doing it again~
Right info at the right time as always hehe
deep pivot
Oh, I was just saying how timely they are, that's all. I like how they present info when it's requested 
narrow hemlock
😳
narrow hemlock
i do like the theoi site precisely bc they have an expansive bibliography of works they reference lmao
fading gazelle
So if chaos has a semi-physical form in the game, wouldn't every other primordial god also possibly have one?
Also I get confused with their gender or because it tends to change for some reason
But I'm assuming Chaos is more commonly female (not that it matters)?
Also do other primordial relate to each other or did all just come out of nowhere and just started doing their own thing?
Like Gaia or Eros
daring hull
well in the game chaos seems to consider nyx their daughter and nyx refers to them as her parent so at least in this canon lore there seems to be relation
narrow hemlock
nyx was an offspring of chaos in myth as well
daring hull
well yes
fading gazelle
Yeah between them it is commonly said that Nys is Chaos' offspring
daring hull
but like, idk if that would be considered relation given that chaos is chaos
do they have dna?
fading gazelle
So what are primordial gods exactly then?
narrow hemlock
as far as the other primordial deities iirc they primarily come from uranus and gaia or cronus
narrow hemlock
would look but i cant really focus on the topic at hand dsjkhgjdh
daring hull
you're valid man
fading gazelle
Lol its fine
daring hull
i don't think we meet any primordial deities aside from chaos and nyx tho?
so we don't know about their in-game status
fading gazelle
I mean Tartarus is technically a primordial god as well?
daring hull
well yes, but we don't see tartarus as a person anywhere is what i meant
daring hull
could be that the place is named after the deity
daring hull
yeah!
fading gazelle
THERE IS JUST SO MUCH POTENTIAL I LOVE IT
daring hull
time for fanfic uwu
fading gazelle
Lol
daring hull
or fanart, which would fit better in this convo
flat vapor
two different people
orchid zealot
@valid sail do you have aim assist on? only scenario I could see the special tracking the enemy
valid sail
@orchid zealot No. To be clear, the bomb isn’t tracking like, mid air. It goes exactly where the target is. But if an enemy is moving, the targets will appear under the enemy as it moves. Like in a line. All I’m doing is pointing the L stick in the direction of the enemy when I do it.
orchid zealot
you're completely sure you dont have it on? Cause I'm sure that, for me at least, it doesn't work
If I point the L stick it starts at default range and just moves wherever I move the stick, enemy or not
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586701351493566475/712760523552456884/unknown.png I didn't know giving cerberus the satyr sack locked the other tunnels 😭
All that effort to save gold wasted
rough token
I just wanted to say, I absolutely love Eurydice's song. The first time I found her, I waited for the entire song to play because I didn't want to accidentally cut it off by talking to her
sinful star
IT'S SO GOOD
nimble ocean
interesting how her room feels more comfortable and cozy even compared to Asphodel fountain chamber.. just a place to stay and take a short break
and listen to her singing ofc
sage marten
that's a probably one of the biggest oofs i've seen in here
look at the bright side you can buy most of the shop if you ignore the heart
terse geyser
Even when I get tired of Hades I can't stop. Is there a hotline for this yet?
summer kettle
I'm willing to sell my soul if they include Hermes in the first run loot pool
Or buy 10 copies of hades
whichever they'd prefer
manic bobcat
why would you want Hermes for first pool
clever halo
If I were using a certain late game ||sword aspect|| then I might want to increase its attack speed ASAP.
manic bobcat
just spam special like a normal person
dawn tangle
you get more movement speed
deal with it
considering how rng dependant this game can get, the lack of a sunglasses emote for the deal with it meme is really noteworthy
manic bobcat
i'm waiting for a "git gud" emote
although where is the hypnos emote so I can be sassy to people
Have you, like, tried dodging?
low fiber
hermes first pool could mean you get something like greater recall or bad news by end of tartarus
potentially
but maybe that would be too powerful
manic bobcat
I suppose, but SF exists, so...
sage marten
Yeah, if you’re using aspect of TRUCK then take hermes asap
azure tinsel
Good boons/builds for aspect of arthur? I know that aiming for specific builds is difficult but i have a lot of trouble understanding what synergizes well with it
clever halo
Prettttttty sure that's spoilers and belongs in gameplay or spoiler channels.
flat vapor
artemis attack + shadow blade hammer for giga crits
athena attack is fun for deflective wide swings
heard that it can be good with cursed sword because it can hit multiple enemies at once
manic bobcat
Question, what is the sound you hear when accepting a boon supposed to be?
It sounds like a cough which is a bit weird
clever halo
They smoke a lot on Olympus.
brisk trail
I believe it's something different for each Olympian.
Zeus is a thunderclap, Ares is weapons clashing and a dude shouting, etc.
clever halo
Ares should be "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor", but I digress.
manic bobcat
No no
The sound when the boon appears on the ground is distinct
I'm talking about the one where you hit RB or E to interact with the boon.
Like when the portrait ofthe God appears
There is also this coughing sound
For all of them.
summer kettle
@manic bobcat so that first attempt runs can be faster paced
trying to solo dash on first attempt is dreadful and makes it really slow paced to ensure success
if they wana keep it locked to asphodel thats fine too
manic bobcat
I see your concern. To me the mirror upgrade is not that expensive though
summer kettle
Yeah, the issue is that it makes fastest clean save have to do a run to farm darkness
which adds a on of RNG to times
ton *
Right now the fastest way to run off a fresh file is to Die right after athena
go to the mirror to receive pity darkness
then run the zeus run
get 40 more darkness
kill yourself, go to the mirror buy 2nd dash
then start proper
However 40 darkness can be anywhere from 3mins 30 seconds to 7 minutes
or hell not at all even if you get incredibly unlucky
manic bobcat
Ok. This is my subjective view, ruthless reflex exists
And people don't complain about it being needing a buff
Which likely means double dash is not that necessary
summer kettle
Its not necessary by anymeans
manic bobcat
Also you are guaranteed 2 Hermes per run
clever halo
Excepting perhaps for actual speedruns.
manic bobcat
3 with Styx shop
summer kettle
but at the current moment, doing a solo run off a fresh file
its much faster to die 2 times
than it is to run from the initial start
manic bobcat
Are you speedrunning the game?
summer kettle
yes
manic bobcat
Then my reply is speedrunning should never dictate game balance
summer kettle
Sure, and its not in my opinion
I don't see how allowing players to get hermes 3 deaths earlier
manic bobcat
Then we can agree to disagree
manic bobcat
Actually mb
manic bobcat
Alright I got you.
manic bobcat
I did misread your comments
summer kettle
it would just be nice if hermes was available earlier off of specifically a fresh fiel
file *
which I think is fair to say wouldn't effect even remotely the vast majority of players
but is a -huge- relief to those of us who care about it
Just my personal take ofc
The game is much too vast to complain about specific buffs and nerfs in terms of numbers/effects specifically for speed running
so I agree on that aspect for sure
manic bobcat
So here is my 2 cents, now that I properly reread your stuff.
summer kettle
sure sure
manic bobcat
If you add Hermes to the starting God pool
For a new player
I think that can be detrimental to their experience.
summer kettle
You think so?
manic bobcat
Albeit to a small extent
summer kettle
(im saying keep it locked to Ashphodel still)
Do you really think a brand new player is capable of getting to act 2 on the first run of the game? And if they are capable that they would be negatively influenced by it?
manic bobcat
You can get Hermes in Asphodel already
summer kettle
nono
Im saying
keep him there
like
if you put him in the starting pool
im not asking to make him available in tartarus
He becomes available on your 4th run
and only in Ashphodel
When I say make him available on run 1, I'm not implying you move him to tartarus
which in my opinion alleviates alot of concerns about new players
as they would have to clear Meg with 1 dash and no DD
manic bobcat
Alright. If you really think so, you can post in #hades-feedback. Feel free to advocate for what you think is right!
high island
Hermes showing up late is irony.
clever halo
I do like that the deity that shows up last does so. It makes sense for several reasons, and I think some of their boons are the among the most potent ones.
manic bobcat
And I think trading 2 Titan Bloods for a Diamond is an absolute scam.
clever halo
I'm actually sitting on like a dozen bloods, deciding which weapon I want to blood up next.
summer kettle
@clever halo I think a few follow Hermes no?
clever halo
Although only the Rail is still 100% unblooded.
manic bobcat
||Because you need to reach the surface to spawn Demeter.||
summer kettle
Apologies forgot spoilers
clever halo
Oh, Mewmew, I did do a heat 5 earlier. Although I didn't see an ||Infernal Gate in Tartarus|| so I will have to save that learning experience for later.
summer kettle
thats my bad Knucklehead
manic bobcat
Also does no one really know what that coughing sound when you interact with boons is?
clever halo
I don't hear a noise when I interact with boons but it's rarely quiet around here, so...
I'll try some headphones later or something.
high island
Nice. Did you want that?
clever halo
Well, I wanted to find out about it. Was a successful shield run. Actually on a 6 streak ATM.
I maxed ||Aspect of Zagreus on the Fist|| which solves pretty much any remaining difficulty with that weapon.
manic bobcat
Try Zag fist with Hermes keepsake
clever halo
I intend to do that at some point. Also, the no-damage keepsake.
manic bobcat
at 0:04 you can hear a coughing sound
(sorry for the bad quality btw)
it drives me nuts not knowing what that is
clever halo
I mean...I guess that's a cough? It just sounds like a very...generic...sound to me.
summer kettle
Hasn't that always been there?
manic bobcat
yes it has
it just sounds weird to me, what is that "coughing sound" supposed to be.
summer kettle
Idk, it just sounds like a powerup noise to me
deep pivot
It’s supposed to be that, a powerup noise lol
manic bobcat
ugh, the raising pitch I understand
clever halo
It's Dio, drawing too hard on the peace pipe.
clever halo
That's all we can do.
high island
Yeah, that's a good idea. You're better at that.
manic bobcat
I don't need your sass, Hypnos
narrow hemlock
i feel like the cat samurai meme every time i see a remark about hypnos and his commentary
hes not doing it to be mean 😔
manic bobcat
No, he is genuine about that, which makes it worse.
Like when a kid tells you your shirt is ugly and giggles
She is not doing that to be mean
It just means your shirt is ugly
and that hurts
😦
solar trail
I somehow expect Hypnos to start saying Morgana lines like "Lookin' cool Joker"
clever halo
[Morrigan disapproves.]
minor stone
How do we unlock the fishing rod?
Do we need to reach a threshold or some trigger to make it purchasable in the store?
velvet coral
@minor stone just keep unlocking things in the house of hades upgrades and you’ll see it pop up eventually
minor stone
I have trouble believing that unfortunately
I unlocked the weapons and bought all the gem items that gave bonuses
velvet coral
I’ve done it by buying tons of decorations
velvet coral
Eventually saw it pop up
velvet coral
Good luck!!!!
minor stone
Gracias!
rough flax
I dont understand Gods'Chosen
boons hammers and poms, as oppose to darkness gems and keys ?
sharp parcel
you're more likely to find boon, hammer, and pom rooms as opposed to darkness, gems, and key rooms
patent topaz
I once reported a bug about text thinking it was just a one time mistake, but i discovered it happens many other times (when the line gets wrapped). Do i report it once more, this time specifying that it always happens when the lines are a certain way?
deep pivot
Since you are playing it in a foreign language, you could also post it in #hades-localization so people working on that are aware of it.
patent topaz
ok so i re-report it with the new information and post it on localization?
deep pivot
I've been told that it's enough with 1 report because they scrutinize each of them. I'm not sure if sending the same one, albeit with new information, would be necessary but you are free to do so if you think it will help the team pinpoint the issue.
patent topaz
maybe i'll wait for the next update to see if they fixed the issue, for now only localization
deep pivot
Thank you for showing interest in improving localization
patent topaz
np!
narrow hemlock
suddenly reminded theres a tiny grammatical error i noticed before last update that i forgot to report and last i checked its still there so i should probably report that 👁️__👁️
patent topaz
just for curiosity what language do you play with?
deep pivot
I'm also curious 
narrow hemlock
w.whomst.
this was not related to localization it was just the mention of bugs reminded me of something i meant to do uh. a while back. literally before the nighty night update
unless someone wants to go suicide to a skullcrusher and report it for me bc im just gonna pass out soon 🤧
patent topaz
eh i died on the first asphodel chamber srry
narrow hemlock
lol its okay its a tossup if hypnos is there or not
for the record this is it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698728164532420770/712857953149124628/20200208000750_1.jpg
"you're gonna to get" a tiny thing, as mentioned
but i forgot entirely about f10ing it
obvs that was shot before the update but last i saw the error is still there but i havent really been in the mood lately to boot up the game, much less go track down that one thing to double check and report it hh
obsidian pulsar
Man, between that and ||Asterius||, Zag is going to get such a complex
narrow hemlock
took a moment for the cogs to realize what the spoiler was referring to but dont bully him 😂
i feel like no ones noticed this partly because frankly it took me multiple rereads of the text to even spot it, it just felt off when i read it, and also who else besides me went around the underworld deliberately suiciding on every hazard and foe possible just for hypnos lines
will be interested to see what new foes will be and what new quips of wisdom hypnos brings 🤧 though if he doesnt get more laughing audio like his tiny vermin one then whats the point
obsidian pulsar
don't bully him
don't bull-y him
narrow hemlock
what an unfortunate unintentional pun, i shall sleep and reflect on my awful transgression
worthy egret
Watching vines today I came to a conclusion
Thanatos: I'm in my mom's car! Vroom vroom
Nyx, giggling: Get out me car!
Thanatos: awww
vs
Zagreus: I'm in my dad's tractor! Vroom vro-
GUNSHOT
Hades, running after Zag with his spear: GET OUT MY TRACTOR
dawn tangle
Eh?
daring hull
agsgdggddg it's true
rugged glacier
Hey guys,
I got slain by Tisiphone, but the ||archives|| say I got slain by Megaera?
Is this worth reporting or is it a known issue?
orchid zealot
rugged glacier
@orchid zealot I was intending to do that if no one replied. thanks 😄
actually wait... now that I think about it... ||I was using extreme measures pact of punishment, which makes her sisters show up too... if Meg did the last hit on me, even though I was technically fighting Tis, then I guess it would make sense...||
sage marten
yeah, the game can be very accurate about what exactly kills you
acoustic sand
@worthy egret 😂
karmic laurel
How do I build a sword special aspect build
What do I go for?
Do I stack attack or do I go for special dmg?
orchid zealot
I prefer the special, so I would say build around that
but its mostly just playstyle
sage marten
a nemesis aspect build? go for artemis i guess
or aphrodite
to boost your base damage
karmic laurel
thanks!
high island
The crit chance only affects your attack, so it makes no sense to focus your build on the special. The special is supplementary to boost the damage of your attack, so the primary focus should be on attack.
That said, you still want something good on your special.
karmic laurel
But I find it really slow
So like Athena's deflect seems good on paper
But really unusable
Idk
high island
You can start up your special, cancel into dash, and Zag will slam the sword on the ground at the end of your dash.
Or you can: special > dash-strike x as many dashes as you have > repeat.
Dash-strike being with your regular attack.
wary willow
is is possible to get the same 3 boons after a swicth?
high island
You'll always be offered at least one new selection.
orchid zealot
did it at least change the rarity lol
high island
If it doesn't offer at least 1 new option after you use persuasion, that's a bug.
placid viper
Anyone know many days until next update?
sharp parcel
updates usually come out in the middle of the month, so we're roughly 3 weeks away from the June one
minor stone
How do you unlock the fishing rod?
I bought all the gem upgrades that provide bonuses
I bought enough decorations to earn the 4 diamonds from the achievement rewards thing
Still no appearance in the shop for fishing rod
Do I need to feed Poseidon more beverages?
What is the key to unlocking it?
It feels bugged at this point
ancient frost
Yeah, the rng is very annoying
I'm trying to unlock hidden weapon aspects and takes so much time
minor stone
I don't even know what the way to unlock the rod is though
Somewhere in the code is a trigger that causes the rod to appear in the shop
But I cannot find that information anywhere in the Wiki or online o.0
ancient frost
I had it quite early, no one unlocks it at the same time as other people
floral shore
Same, got it very early on.
somber cape
read the chat a bit out of order, woops
manic bobcat
@minor stone just curious, do you have the option to buy ||darkness gives you health, gem gives you gold, etc||?
I got the option for rod the same time I have the option to purchase those.
minor stone
Yes
Not only do I have those options, but I've bought two of them already
Why would the Rod be random though?
I think it should appear with respect to some triggerable event. For instance, it could unlock when you reach some threshold with Poseidon
The randomness, in this case, felt more like a bug and less like a feature lol
remote lily
https://twitter.com/opelit/status/1263479163576442880?s=20
This Cerberus did not allowed me to pet him, but already useful as a mount
manic bobcat
Cerberus as mount when SSG?
novel wasp
Cerber as a companion when
so you could summon him
but again its gonna be useless since you cant also use it at final boss
Sisyphus is my only friend now :')))
remote lily
Cerberus as last Companion 😮 yes please/
clever halo
Boy, the spoilers.
acoustic sand
you can hide it under "spoilers"
minor stone
I can't think of wording that would make sense
I also don't know what you mean
I don't know how to make the black bar spoiler
clever halo
|| on each side.
acoustic sand
select your text then you'll see some edit options
orchid zealot
or you can highlight you message and click the eye symbol
minor stone
||What about Act 4? Cerberus is a key ingredient since he blocks you from exiting until you get his sack||
minor stone
There lol
Well that was fail city on my part lol
Thanks for helping me team
Apologies to anyone that saw the spoiler before it was hidden
clever halo
There's also just saying spoilery things in almost any other channel, since they're spoilers-allowed.
acoustic sand
no worry
minor stone
Question about Hell Mode vs Regular
So far the only difference seems to be A) it starts at Heat 5 with some unchangeable heat options and B) it has that special heat option that turns of the temporary invulnerability
Is that the only differentiator?
If so, then why not allow the Normal Mode to have access to that special heat option? The player can always toggle it off in Normal Mode and use other heat choices
orchid zealot
you also can't play unless you're at the highest heat level for bounties
flat vapor
you're forced to increase the heat on a weapon if you clear with it
minor stone
That's all fine except my question at the end
Why lock that heat option from Normal Mode?
It is an option. The player should have the option to use it, no?
flat vapor
the option is hell mode lol
minor stone
Haha
I meant that special heat option
The wiki says that it is only for Hell Mode
Why not allow the regular players to tick that box? Maybe it isn't punishing enough?
I don't understand the logic is all
orchid zealot
¯_(ツ)_/¯
flat vapor
because it was only added when hell mode was added, ig
flat vapor
you'd have to ask the devs, we don't know the development process
minor stone
Ok thanks
minor stone
That's a fair point lol
It's currently the reason I'm trying Hell Mode
I don't like to feel like I'm missing out on things
Also that's one of the best emojis lol
orchid zealot
I haven't played normal mode, but hell mode isn't bad at all so no worries on that front
flat vapor
it might be because you lose heat 0 bounties on hell mode
minor stone
Ladies love it 😏
flat vapor
but idk
minor stone
You lose Heat 0, 1, 2, 3, and 4 bounties
acoustic sand
lmao harb
acoustic sand
and we love that
minor stone
Is the fishing rod also locked out of Hell Mode?
orchid zealot
nope
flat vapor
yes but the max bounties are increased to 25 heat (rather than 20 heat on normal)
acoustic sand
don't you dare touch the fishing
minor stone
Damn I'm just unlucky with Rod then
That's a cool compromise
Since it requires harder challenges
Hey Diddle and Stag, do you use controller or key + mouse?
Onyx I seem to recall you saying that you use key + mouse
orchid zealot
controller
I tried key and mouse for the first dozen or so runs, but controller is alot easier
minor stone
Noted. I want a controller lol
orchid zealot
just cause keys are so spread out on K + M
minor stone
What does M do lol
I swapped Special to Right Mouse Button and Cast to Q button
Which improved things a lot
clever halo
I'm almost always moving diagonally. KBM would give me conniptions.
minor stone
Yeah it hurts my hand (left hand) after a while
Not good for such an addictive game lol
quaint bramble
I can’t recall a time where I was hit because I couldn’t move diagonally enough on KBM lol. It’s not so bad, the isometric sprites have been more difficult to see the hit boxes for than anything else imo
wicked grail
I swapped special to middle mouse button and thats all the changes i made to feel very comfortable playing it for longer amounts of time
acoustic sand
i use key + mouse
minor stone
Must be nice to have a middle mouse button lol
quaint bramble
Having special on q though was unacceptable for me, I could see hand pain and movement inefficiency using that scheme
minor stone
Impossible to move with it actually
acoustic sand
i think controller is far better, every good gamer uses one...Even when changing keybinds it get tiring after a while
minor stone
Like physically not possible to do the Special + Dash trick with the sword in half the directions
tiny bobcat
artermis best girl marry option when?
minor stone
@tiny bobcat add it to feedback channel lol
orchid zealot
that'll make duo boon rooms a bit awkward
tiny bobcat
when i first come across xxx and artermis interaction, i was wooow
i dont know how to make spoiler thingy
wicked grail
|| on both sides
minor stone
|| and then again
wicked grail
||two of them||
minor stone
It's the double
tiny bobcat
||artemis and athena phone call|| i was woow, she must ||really like zag||
minor stone
Zagreus is the son of ||Hades||
acoustic sand
for my keybinds, i love to use alt for dash and Q for attack (on QWERTY, on AZERTY it's A). Sometimes I switch and re-bind the special on Q
I use 1 for summon, E for interact and F for gift
minor stone
You use controller
acoustic sand
and R for call
minor stone
Don't lie to us
acoustic sand
lmao
minor stone
Lol
tiny bobcat
i hope the next update would fix performance problems, the game become so slower for me after the last one
so i gave up playing lately
acoustic sand
same, why would it become slower ? :/
wicked grail
I have no performance issues on my laptop
tiny bobcat
especially the ||hell|| area
minor stone
They are working to improve performance (I think)
tiny bobcat
smoke effects etc make it so slow for me
quaint bramble
Somethingsomething works on my machine
quaint bramble
But seriously, I haven’t had any issues either but the next update is a revamp of the the base code and it’s supposed to make performance better and make it easier to port I think
tiny bobcat
also ||bubling of lava|| has to do with it. because ||act 3|| just runs fine for me
minor stone
Hopefully they can knock it out of the park
Cross platform is not easy
Especially if the goal is to do it efficiently
Bubbles in lava are non-critical
Maybe they can add option to turn that off
tiny bobcat
when i first saw the game, i said this is just a rip-off of transistor 😄
acoustic sand
lol
orchid zealot
wow, stacking the well movespeed buffs with the hermes boons makes you insanely fast lmao
minor stone
Gotta go fast
orchid zealot
I accidentally managed to outrun one of those green bombs and run back into it
acoustic sand
can relate
brisk trail
I thought I was done with the mirror and just found out every ability has a counterpart 🤯
oh well I dont like them anyways haha
wind nest
Some of them are fun! Try it
clever halo
Actually, I prefer most of the green ones. Depends on weapon though.
floral shore
I usually run almost all red.
Healing, Family Favorite and Legendary chance green.
I know Privileged Status is very hard to beat with Family Favorite, but it's just more reliable and putting on PS and then not getting a second status curse is just sad.
summer kettle
thats generally a fair take I think
low fiber
sometimes your build just doesn't have 2 curses
hot heron
i know its a little bit much of a feature but id consider having real equippment implemented at some time maybe?
like rings and gauntlets and armor that each gives unique stats or sth, would make the grind more fun
having more stuff that you can upgrade or enhance just makes the experience in itself more thrilling due to all the customization possibilities
its not a hack and slash like poe but still
vast junco
i don't believe they want to bloat it with too many rpg-esque components like that. the upgradable keepsakes and aspects already fill that area adjacently well enough
hot heron
they do but the problem with that is it has a limit, it has no randomness
like nothing of it is unexpected or has rng in it
vast junco
there's a balance they want to strike with the random components and mention as much in their making-of documentary series
hot heron
i see
vast junco
they definitely don't intend to add random stat equipment
hot heron
thats what makes grinding more fun tho
atm you only can grind to get mats, which you then use to get your upgrades
so you already now like 10 runs in a advance (once you get the blood or whatever you need for the next rank) what you are gonna do
manic bobcat
End game is, well, end game.
hot heron
with random items youd at least have some fun on the way to that but i understand their intention
manic bobcat
There is only so much you can do imo.
clever halo
Game can't be for everyone. I hear they're making a Diablo 4.
hot heron
i know, i mean its still EA but nevertheless their is so much potential
manic bobcat
We can wish for more content, don't get me wrong.
hot heron
what does that have to do with diablo 4
vast junco
a little joke is all
hot heron
i played this game for 2 days now and am pretty much done in terms of gameplay
manic bobcat
Huh
hot heron
i havent grinded through all the heat yet but still, nothing really more to see
manic bobcat
Hmmmmmmm
vast junco
your experience isn't everyone else's by any means
manic bobcat
To each their own I suppose
clever halo
Diablo 4 would have item sets and armour and rings for you.
vast junco
plenty of us have 100+ hours and are still having a blast
manic bobcat
Heat is like a whole new world for me. But it's OK to have preferences.
hot heron
im 40 escapes in now and it still plenty of fun
manic bobcat
If you think you want more content, maybe check out #hades-feedback ? Make sure you read the pins first.
hot heron
and still i wish there was something more than just grinding gems or jewels or blood to upgrade
manic bobcat
They do read everything so there is a chance your suggestion will be received.
zinc valve
manic bobcat
Although personally I find asking for even more contents is a bit... greedy at this point.
vast junco
the problem is that the game could easily become too bloated with features. SGG is very careful with making sure their games achieve their vision without trying to tick off too many extra boxes just for the sake of pumping up hours
manic bobcat
Congrats dude!
hot heron
game is great, got it for ~7 bucks and its better than all of those AAA titiles
artdesign is nice, gameplaywise its the best ive seen in a long time
which is why id like it to have more stuff so i could enjoy it more and more
its not supposed to be negative critizism
manic bobcat
Like I said, feel free to add feedbacks. I'm not shooting down your balloons. I'm just stating what I personally think.
But yeah we can agree that the game is neato
Glhf.
vast junco
right, there's nothing wrong with craving more from a game, but you also have to understand that restraint is a virtue especially in the realm of game design
hot heron
i mean its not like theres ever too much content is their?
you unlock heat after completing the basics
so why not unlock more possibilities once you get to a certain degree of difficulty
like >>> equipment slots and finding stuff
clever halo
I mean, I consider everything up to heat 32 to be content, even if how often I'm advancing the macrogame slows down.
hot heron
yeah but gameplaywise youve seen pretty mich all the things except for the special upgrades of weapons which again alter the mechanics
which i like havent unlocked them all yet and looking forward to doing so
but i know its just a few more hours
hot heron
was just sth on my mind thought maybe see what others think
clever halo
Granted some of that time is "game is running but I'm getting food or something."
But not more than maybe 3 or 4 hours.
brisk trail
I'd rather have new enemies for gameplay variety
like if there was a heat setting tht gives you new enemies for each area
minor stone
New enemies and another zone
brisk trail
would be lit
vast junco
benefits package is definitely a step in the right direction similarly
brisk trail
yeah
vast junco
needs some tweaking for that extra variety is really great
brisk trail
its not enough for me though
minor stone
Benefits package?
brisk trail
a heat setting that gives enemies extra effects
vast junco
gives some elite enemies extra perks
minor stone
Oh yeah
Definitely a step in the right direction
Maybe there could be an enemy that does Lifesteal
There could be a double armored enemy
brisk trail
I just want to have to deal with different patterns
minor stone
Where you have to break through two layers of armor
brisk trail
eh thats lame
minor stone
Depends who you ask lol
brisk trail
I guess
hot heron
there is tons of things you could do to make it more tactical
minor stone
Namely?
hot heron
like lets say you have a boss group and they have a unique perk
like thunderbolts exchanging inbetween them
minor stone
That'd be cool
brisk trail
thats a a thing in benefits package already tbh
hot heron
once you kill 1 of those, lets say there were 3 in total
perk changes to novas or sth like that
vast junco
linked already does a similar thing
minor stone
Any ideas for a new weapon?
hot heron
oh a ton
a whip for a example
and as you know whips have their highest "damage" or force in that case at the very tip which has a certain distance
minor stone
I like that
clever halo
I like hammers and axes but they're not very Greek.
hot heron
so you gotta position yourself in a proper distance to get the full dmg or sth like that
brisk trail
so like in deadcells heh
hot heron
whats that
clever halo
Was gonna say, Dead Cells much?
minor stone
Recommend the whip idea in feedback perhaps
hot heron
so yeah get that in ! id be happy with twice the amount of weapons
hot heron
or maybe make a sword like ivy's from soul calibur
quaint bramble
Curse of the Dead Gods spears work like that too, it’s not just Dead Cells. Hitting an enemy with the point from a certain distance always crits. That said, no other weapons are planned for the release.
hot heron
that is a sword and a whip
brisk trail
I think just more weapons and boons in general for 1.0 would be cool just more cool builds to try out
I see
minor stone
I'd like to see Poseidon get a Rain move
Makes the enemies wet and slippery
Duos with Zeus for extra shock damage
Also with Demeter for extra slow down
Perhaps even a freeze effect if you combo them
manic bobcat
I want more things like Hazard Bomb
minor stone
I want more things like Lil Diddle
vast junco
the yet unreleased 4th aspects for the remaining weapons will add a lot of dimension considering their stark playstyle differences
brisk trail
I love hazard bomb
manic bobcat
Double edged boons or upgrade is fun
minor stone
What is hazard bomb?
manic bobcat
Hazard Bomb with 2nd rail aspect for galaxy brain combo
minor stone
Oh the one that damages you?
manic bobcat
Your rail special is stronger
quaint bramble
I’ve done it and it’s hilarious
minor stone
That one is strong
hot heron
how about a whistle that summons ghost trains
minor stone
A summoning weapon could be cool
quaint bramble
Hazard bomb should proc your revenge effects, just sayin
manic bobcat
A million ants beat that though
hot heron
it is
hot heron
you cant compare certain genres BUT if you look at the amounto fmoney that some publishers put into certain games like anthem... and see how much more fun an indie game is like hades is
brisk trail
oof
hot heron
its hilarious
manic bobcat
Imagine mod support for wall scroll
brisk trail
gonna talk more bout gameplay variety once I hit higher heats
low fiber
my opinion is that i don't care to add a grindable equipment element to the game cause i enjoy the gameplay itself and rather focus on exploring weapon and boon combos
manic bobcat
Actually I don't want to
low fiber
just as an alternative perspective
if i wanted a geared rpg, there's plenty of those out there to play
vast junco
i feel the same way
the personal mastery aspect is more fulfilling than instead grinding for stats
high island
Did someone say Lady Aphrodite Wall-Scrolls?
low fiber
but i do understand the enjoyment of "grinding for something"
high island
Shut up and take my money!
low fiber
it's just not what i came to this particular game for
hot heron
who is that singer btw that you randomly meet, that tree girl or sth
manic bobcat
SSG has never released DLC for their games.
manic bobcat
What's the chance they do it for Hades?
manic bobcat
Also fair
vast junco
@hot heron that's eurydice
vast junco
the game has been so substantial even early on that the updates working towards 1.0 feel like just solid regular updates for any other game
testament to the high quality of hades imo
hot heron
agreed
low fiber
@hot heron if you haven't, you should really check out their other game OSTs. Especially Transistor.
hot heron
i played bastion i think it was from them
low fiber
and Bastion
manic bobcat
We will never be apart ~~~~
hot heron
but cant remember what the soundtrack was
vast junco
the transistor anniversary yesterday got me emotional ngl
manic bobcat
Yeah it has been a while since I last played it. But very few games made me complete it twice.
hot heron
they need to put some billy talent in
low fiber
Darren Korb or bust
minor stone
DLC isn't inherently wrong
high island
The singer is Ashley Barrett. The dialogue is Francesca Hogan.
minor stone
It's just that humans can be greedy and ruin things that would otherwise be benign
I like that song
high island
For Eurydice.
manic bobcat
I finally figured out what the boss fight theme is
It's Out of Tartarus
They use it for victory screens too.
high island
I think House of Hades is probably my favorite song from the game.
Specifically this part: https://youtu.be/IfpzkiMnhY4?list=PL53mjgVKFq7yu0LdAvpp42ZGLzRCkFKuz&t=95
quaint bramble
I have a real thing for the Bloodless or Last Words
But No Escape is a classic and the title theme lol
high island
That should have been ~2 seconds before that lol.
The mixes on soundtrack albums can never quite match the dynamic in-game music.
high island
quaint bramble
I’m never going to un-hear that now that you’ve mentioned it but I don’t mind. I like those sfx for the most part
quaint bramble
True.
I like the ambience of ||Primordial Chaos|| (is the name of the song a spoiler lol?); it’s good for listening to during study or other work
sour dust
Darren Korb makes quality stuff
Oh my god yeah their room music is
good stuff
and so different from the others!
it really makes them super distinct and why i love them sm
summer kettle
yo if were talking themes
the song that made me buy the game
Ack I can't find it
its the skeleton twins mini boss that plays during the trailer
dont know its name ORZ
quaint bramble
Pretty sure that’s either the Bloodless or one of the Tartarus themes, Out of Tartarus or Scourge of the Furies
I forget when each plays, but the Bloodless is on the second level
hot heron
lets appreciate this developer while he is still small and not money-hungry
summer kettle
? I mean supergiant has been great for a long time now
I doubt they would become something like that
Great call @quaint bramble it was out of tartarus tyty
velvet coral
Is it ok to send a message to the devs with a question regarding the art of Hades? Or have they posted a video anywhere regarding it?
untold jewel
question! how are the story elements of the game triggered? I am super fascinated by it, is it by completing the prophecies? It felt super random and it's probably not based on hours played..?
manic bobcat
Usually you progress by doing runs. After each attempt, you can talk to the characters with !.
manic bobcat
MB on that. I misunderstood you.
untold jewel
no worries !
manic bobcat
I think currently ||the one where Zag finds out about his Mom|| is the only "cinematic moment."
untold jewel
no it's not.
😂
I'm 40h in, I've seen more than that one
and it's amazing
I am LOVING it
but I have no idea how they are triggered
manic bobcat
Well then I'm even more confused on what you mean by cinematic moment.
brisk trail
the admin chamber one
untold jewel
oohhhh it's specific to what it is about?
hot heron
das zagreus ever find his mother btw
untold jewel
oh shouldn't that be in spoilers...
hot heron
wasnt it mentioned after like half an hour
untold jewel
nope
hot heron
thats the reason why he is trying to escape i thought
untold jewel
oh yeah that's the reason but it is unknown if he finds her.
hot heron
like the basic premise of the game
untold jewel
or a spoiler.
hot heron
oh i see
quaint bramble
I would bet it’s either based on progress through runs (how far you got) or the progress with dialogue with certain characters you’ve had. The game knows that certain dialogue you’re about to proc with a character(s) in the story wouldn’t make sense if you hadn’t had flashbacks.
quaint wind
yeah that should probably be moved to spoilers
hot heron
anyone having problems with localization?
like when i set it to english i get a mixture of german and english
some specific words like perk names of boons are still in english or german either of that dont remember
is that a bug or have they just not finished translating?
quaint wind
that sounds like a bug, i would recommend posting that in #h1-tech-support
hot heron
will do next time it occurs
quaint wind
oh you can also press f10 in game which will automatically send a bug report