h1-discussion

[manic bobcat]

How do you deal with the dash

[sage marten]

really? i usually tend to steamroll through the hydra

[grave nebula]

hydra is just obnoxious

[sage marten]

the heroes though

i hate those two

[grave nebula]

i never seem to get deflect anymore

so it makes the two wave splitter heads a nightmare

[brisk trail]

See, I put 2 and 2 together and assumed the final boss's identity, but server rules are to keep that in #h1-story-discussion and #h1-builds-and-combat

[grave nebula]

my bad!

but

[brisk trail]

🤷

[grave nebula]

i dont make rules i juist try to follow

i deleted my message

[mortal palm]

i mean you then spoilered it later :p

[brisk trail]

I agree that it's obvious, for what it's worth.

[grave nebula]

i think i got them all?

can anyone double check im pretty stupid

[sage marten]

for the hydra i'd reccomend going ham into their heads one by one
can't shoot ten thousand waves if there's no heads to fire waves from

[mortal palm]

generally I use [REDACTED] when referring to them ||the game uses that officially anyway||

[grave nebula]

i try to do that :l

[manic bobcat]

Weapons wise

[grave nebula]

i just suck at hack and slash

it makes my hands hurt super bad

super fast

[manic bobcat]

I love the bow

[uneven dove]

Honestly learn the Hyrda's pattern it isnt too crazy

[grave nebula]

i love the fists

[manic bobcat]

The sword seems a bit underwhelming

[grave nebula]

but i feel so weak with them

sword is soooo good

[mortal palm]

advancing kick fists is fun

[manic bobcat]

All close range meelee weapons seems harder

[brisk trail]

Every weapon can easily clear up to 32 Heat.

"easily" might not be 110% accurate.

[manic bobcat]

What is heat?

I haven't made it very far

[brisk trail]

Uh, technically spoilers, but basically Super Hard Mode.

[mortal palm]

bow requires very good power dash attack timings

[manic bobcat]

Just to Elysium boss

Ok

[mortal palm]

imo

[brisk trail]

Zag Aspect does, but its other two do not.

[manic bobcat]

Dash attack does lower damage than normal Power shot on bow right?

[mortal palm]

I think in general it's the "hardest" weapon solely due to relying frequently on power attack hits.

[brisk trail]

Yes, with a faster charge time.

[grave nebula]

how do you guys feel about rail?

[mortal palm]

rail is my easiest weapon to clear with

[brisk trail]

Rail is the best non-shield weapon in the game.

Shield has hax, though, and if you removed its defense it would be bottom three.

[mortal palm]

shield is my hardest weapon :X

[manic bobcat]

Also how do you get color for your names?

[grave nebula]

if i get fists with long strike or whatever thats my absolutee favorite set up

roles @manic bobcat

[brisk trail]

Long Knuckle is the Fist's best Hammer.

[strong furnace]

I haven't been here long, what's the general weapon ranking in here?

[mortal palm]

but it's defense seems awkward to me and I don't like the slowness of holding down the attack key

[strong furnace]

Cause I considered gun last and fists or spear first, but obv personal

[grave nebula]

i dont like spear personally

[brisk trail]

Shield>=Rail>Fists=Sword>Bow>Spear

[grave nebula]

how is shield so good?

[brisk trail]

It can block damage.

[grave nebula]

it seems super clunky to me

[mortal palm]

spear is one best weapons, fight me

[uneven dove]

Wall smashes and blocks

[brisk trail]

Wall smashing is there.

Blocking and huge mobility are why Aegis is the best weapon.

[grave nebula]

how do you guys avoid cramping when you play?

[brisk trail]

I don't.

[grave nebula]

maybe ive played too much since i bought it last night

but

jesus my hands hurts after a while

[strong furnace]

Embrace the cramp

[uneven dove]

lol might need to take a break then

[grave nebula]

i tried using a controller and its just ten times worse

[mortal palm]

get better posture

[void vigil]

take it easy on your hands! thats more important than playing

[brisk trail]

I play MKB and my hands are absolute wrecks from decades of video games and cooking for a living.

[grave nebula]

well ive played 31 hours in 2 days

soooooooo

[brisk trail]

Yeah, take 10-15 minute breaks.

[mortal palm]

also various other things like straighten your elbows, raise your wrists

[grave nebula]

might be the issue

its a super good game to veg on while studying

[brisk trail]

Yeah, that'll do it, too.

[grave nebula]

does anyone know when in june the update is?

[brisk trail]

Nope.

[sage marten]

i embrace the pain
cramps are weakness leaving the body

[mortal palm]

when it's ready :v

@sage marten that's a quick way to get carpal tunnel syndrome

[grave nebula]

yeaahh xD

[strong furnace]

Isn't carpal more genetic than "stop using your hands so much"?

[sage marten]

i think you mean
strong hand syndrome

[grave nebula]

not entirely

[sage marten]

for weakness has fully abandoned it

[grave nebula]

carpal tunnel is easily caused by RSI

[mortal palm]

carpal isn't genetic at all

[brisk trail]

I thought CT Syndrome is damage over long term.

[grave nebula]

yes it is

[mortal palm]

(i mean it can be but)

[grave nebula]

you can be gentically dispositioned to suffer more or more likely from ct

[mortal palm]

posture and how your wrists are positioned can affect it

[grave nebula]

<<<<<<
speaks from personal experience

[mortal palm]

it's pressure and inflammation on your wrists that pinches your nerves

[grave nebula]

had my first bout of CTS at 15

no...

[mortal palm]

like when you hit your elbow on a hard surface and your hand gets numb

[grave nebula]

its the tendon swelling enough that it doesnt stretch properly so it becomes more painful and more difficult to flex that ligameents and tendons...

[void vigil]

hey guys, perhaps discussion of this can continue in #off-topic-discussion?

[past temple]

Noob question - how do I change the mouse sensitivity in this game

[brisk trail]

Can't.

[past temple]

...

[brisk trail]

No setting for that (yet).

[grave nebula]

oof

[manic bobcat]

Combat in this game feels very similar to Bastion.

[grave nebula]

does anyone play with dash to cursor on?

[manic bobcat]

Except it's way smoother

[grave nebula]

i tried it and oh my lord its painful

it reminds me more of binding of isaac

[brisk trail]

I played HLD with that but have been afraid to attempt it in Hades.

[grave nebula]

hld?

[brisk trail]

Hyper Light Drifter (which you should absolutely play if you have not)

[grave nebula]

i have never even heard of it

[void vigil]

well, it makes sense, bastion is their first game, except its been almost a decade since it was released. so the combat is a little reminiscent of it, but feels way way better

[narrow hemlock]

hades ruined me, i cant go back to bastion because it feels too slow to me now 🤧

[brisk trail]

Theoretically you could get around MKB's only real weakness in this game, dashing being locked to 8 directions, but that would require mad amounts of skill that I'm almost 100% certain that I do not have.

[grave nebula]

wait

waittt

bastion is a decade old

no

[narrow hemlock]

came out in 2011 iirc

[void vigil]

next year!

[narrow hemlock]

or 2012

[grave nebula]

oh god

where has my life gone

[brisk trail]

Came out in the first (?) Summer of Arcade.

[grave nebula]

i honestly didnt know they made it

i havent heard about bastion in years

[brisk trail]

Excuse me, Peach?

[uneven dove]

God i remember first hearing about that game it being one of my first games on PC

[grave nebula]

i saw hades on the recommended sales

and it looked amazing

so i got it

plus

sale

op

[narrow hemlock]

i just remembered it was around there somewhere bc 2011 was when i made my steam account and bastion was one of the earliest games i had lmao

[grave nebula]

i wish there was a way to see how old my steam is

[void vigil]

there is! check the "years of service" badge

[brisk trail]

I thought Bastion was neat when it came out but I didn't get it until I built my PC in 2013. Got Transistor the next year and went "Okay, just bookmarking everything SGG does from now on."

[narrow hemlock]

steam literally gives you a badge for every year youre on the paltform

[grave nebula]

oh god

i joined in 2009

i want to cry right now

Years of Service

Years of Service
550 XP
Unlocked Jan 13 @ 2:50pm
Member since January 13, 2009.

[void vigil]

i joined in 2015 to buy transistor

[grave nebula]

someh ow

i dont have that many games on this account tho

i kept forgetting accounts when i was a kid

so i kept rebuying the same game over again with my allowance

when i got older my mom told me that shee didnt stop me because "you just never learned so i didnt bother"

xD

[mortal palm]

I did not know that was a thing to be honest.

[brisk trail]

Thanks, you just gave me a flashback to an ooooold Bionicle Lego website.

[grave nebula]

YES

LEEGO.COM

WAS MY JAM

[deep pivot]

I was saying, you have mad skills XD

[mortal palm]

Kind of tempted to try it, although dash attacks would be hard. I do move between attacks in league of legends between attacks, but I think dashes and dash attacks have shorter timings.

[grave nebula]

i cant stand playing on the controller to be honest

[brisk trail]

Depends on the game.

[grave nebula]

dashes dont seem to be that hard on mkb

[deep pivot]

I'm gonne be like Dusa and fly away~

[grave nebula]

i meant here on hades

[brisk trail]

Peach, my skills are not so mad that I can play dash-to-cursor.

[grave nebula]

is there modding for hades or no

[brisk trail]

Dashes are great on MKB until you get the Hydra variant fight.

[grave nebula]

yeaaaaaaah

i got that once

i wanted to cry

[brisk trail]

There is modding for Hades, someone comes through every so often with a link to it.

[void vigil]

there's been a modding discord advertised in #self-promotion from time to time, but there is no official mod support

[brisk trail]

I haven't messed with it myself.

[void vigil]

as the game is still in early access so thats probably kind of hard to do

[narrow hemlock]

so i went through years worth of my accounts transaction history and it turns out bastion was literally my first purchase so thats cool i guess https://gyazo.com/adb63cdcece67d09e3900e9c0920a6eb

[grave nebula]

i figured as much

[brisk trail]

Ayyy.

[grave nebula]

my very first game was start wars KOTOR on this account

which i bought 7 ytimes over the years

i have played it on pc ps3 xbox 360 and my phone

[brisk trail]

Where do I need to click to see that?

[grave nebula]

account details > purchase history

[void vigil]

going through those is a ride, isnt it? we should probably move to #off-topic-discussion with that again tho

[brisk trail]

Thanks.

[grave nebula]

meh

ok back on topic

how do i use shields

and not suck

[narrow hemlock]

poor alma trying to constantly herd us excited sheep around the pasture

[grave nebula]

also how can i farm titans blood

[void vigil]

sometimes you can buy it in the last biome though its expensive, so i started saving my money and not buying anything on the way and hoping i get to buy it

[grave nebula]

blehhhhhh

thats so painful

[void vigil]

and also turning up the heat with every weapon and beating the furies/final boss

[grave nebula]

i havent beaten heat 1 yet even :l

[void vigil]

ocean's bounty really helps with the money, as well as chaos boons for more money

[grave nebula]

gotcha

alright wish me luck trying the shield out

whats the easiest heat modifier for sucker noobs like me

[void vigil]

gl! i like ares doom on the special :]

[grave nebula]

also whats best keepstake for shield

ive been rocking achilles or bone cup thingee

hourglass

awk

[void vigil]

hmm, i dont know. maybe trap damage modifier? sure footing from athena is also good for negating it

[grave nebula]

i wonder how hard heat 57 is

[clever halo]

Greek Mythology? Roguelike? Macro game? I am here for it.

[grave nebula]

ok im liking the shield

like

alot

ok so question

how do i know what is the best option for chamber choice

like for example this room i have a dio/demeter trial room, a pom room, and a chaos portal

if im using a non upgraded aspect shield

what should i be going for

i have frost strike right now

[heavy parrot]

One thing you can think about is gold value: a pom is 100 gold, while a boon is 150

so the trial room is 200 extra gold of value

that said, if the trial room is gonna take you down enough health that you burn a death defy early, well those are 200 gold, so the math cancels out

speaking of, to Charon's wells have a specific gold-to-health ratio

I'd generally say god boon > chaos boon bc, you know, the cost. I'd definitely say it's not worth two. Id have a harder time deciding between chaos and a pom

[clever halo]

Are the existence of certain keepsakes considered spoilers?

[brisk trail]

Yes.

At least the source of them.

[north plaza]

Hey all! I just got into Hades today, and what a game

[clever halo]

@heavy parrot Let's just say there's a keepsake that makes the cost less of an issue, if you hunt around.

[heavy parrot]

the availability doesn't actually matter to what im saying though: i want to know the Equivalent Obol Value (EOV i guess) of health so i can compare things

[clever halo]

Sure, but it changes the relative value of the boons. Albeit at the cost of your keepsake slot.

Not to mention the secondary effect of that keepsake also alters relative value of boons.

So if we're making a comparison, it would seem irresponsible to me to not consider that data.

[heavy parrot]

oh yeah the EOV is a very basic comparison method that can become inaccurate for all sorts of reasons; a hammer has an EOV of 200 gold but if you have the specific weapon upgrades you want then it might not be worth that to you. Similarly, a yarn ups the value of a boon for a time, so 150 might not be representative. However, EOV is still a good baseline for value which can make your specific run's calculations easier

but you are absolutely right that my "god > chaos" statement only applies without keepsakes to mitigate the gate cost

[clever halo]

That's all I had to add. :p

[heavy parrot]

[primal whale]

I'd argue that there are too many factors that are run dependent to make EOV a useful system of analysis. However, it could be useful if you're playing a given seed over and over, or attempting to force a certain build.

[ivory kestrel]

Is the name of the new weapon based on anything in Greek myth?

[brave thicket]

none of the weapons appear in the mythss

[ivory kestrel]

Yeah but all of their names appear throughout different kinds of myths so I was just curious if the new one was based on anything

[brave thicket]

wait what?

their names appear in myths?

[ivory kestrel]

Like the stygian blade being named for the River Styx

Aegis is The Shield carried by Zeus or Athena depending on the myth

[brave thicket]

what about the gun, the spear and the bow

they exist not in the myths

[ivory kestrel]

The gun refers to a metal that relates to the myths somehow adamant I believe is said to be the toughest metal in Greek myth or something along those lines the others I can't remember off hand

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamant?wprov=sfla1

[brave thicket]

nope friend, the name of the rail is exagryph, which is not based on anything

[ivory kestrel]

Well it's exagryph the adamant rail no?

[brave thicket]

it is, but adamant is an english word

[ivory kestrel]

It's referenced in Greek myth not in that word because the word itself is obviously different but substances of that nature are referenced in Greek myth and the English word is of Greek origin

Stygian is also an English word to be fair

Which is defined as of or relating to the River Styx

[brave thicket]

hmmm, but not everything in game is referential

[ivory kestrel]

I know that that's why I asked my question in the first place 😀

[brave thicket]

hmmm not a ref

hmmmm interesting, too much deviation from og myth

[ivory kestrel]

I kind of like that they deviated a bit gave it their own spin

[clever halo]

Frankly I was just glad they got the right pronunciation on Charon.

[ivory kestrel]

Fair lol

[fallen ether]

for a beginner should I play normal mode

or play hell mode?

played a few rouge-lites before

[brave thicket]

normal

[fallen ether]

does hell mode give anything?

I heard it caps mirror or something?

oh well will play normal

[acoustic sand]

bought the game today yeaaass

[fallen ether]

nice

I am really enjoying it

[acoustic sand]

thanks !

[fallen ether]

hope you like it too

[acoustic sand]

i'm sure i will !

[trim surge]

EOV huh

[vast dagger]

With hell mode you start with the pact of punishment, and it can’t go below 5 heat

You can distribute it across challenges you choose though, so it doesn’t have to remove any traits from the mirror

[brisk trail]

im defos copping hades today

looks insaneeeeeeeeeeee

[brisk trail]

What is EOV?

[leaden moon]

Is an empowered shot the same for the normal attack and the dash attack? I'm using bow and I can take the boon that empower the empowered attack by 100% but I'm playing a dash build

[sage marten]

it's the charge attack

[leaden moon]

yeah charge attack sorry, i don't have the game in english

[alpine yacht]

You can dash and charge your attack faster with the bow

But it takes practice 😄

[leaden moon]

Yeah but I saw there are boons that specify when it buffs the attack or the dash attack so I was confused

[sage marten]

nah, if it says charge attacks/empowered shot it ought to affect both instances

so feel free to go nuts once you get the hammer boon

[leaden moon]

Cool! Tyvm 🙂

[spring lava]

honestly kind of demotivated to play Hades rn with how inconsistent/bugged charge turning is. I get to Elysium boss fight and I'm just "Alright, is ||Asterius|| going to give me a near straight line charge or a 360noscope charge?" - I don't even care if the charge is intended to turn on a dime, I just want it consistent :/

I hope it gets fixed..

probably connected to the poseidon call also being bugged

[deep pivot]

How is Poseidon's Aid bugged?

[spring lava]

At least on controller, if you do one of a handful of actions (I know dashing works), and at the same time use call, you'll just charge ahead and cannot turn at all

I pass on poseidon call every time because of it

super cool when you call charge straight into Elysium wall spears or lava

[deep pivot]

Oof. I didn't know that

[spring lava]

yeah, I did report the bug though, so SGG knows if they aren't already internally tracking that issue

[deep pivot]

I hope you get motivated again to play

[spring lava]

I probably will again when the june patch lands regardless

[tropic bloom]

I like poseidon's call a lot just because of sheer imperviousness and it also deals good burst damage.

[spring lava]

oh it's a fantastic call, when it works

[quaint bramble]

I agree. Haven’t had any movement bugs when using it, would be interesting to hear from other KBM players who have

[deep pivot]

I don't like how Asterius doesn't follow physics either

[spring lava]

Asterius is.... fine, for me, I just whatever rules of physics he has to be consistent

[quaint bramble]

Asterius is not confined by inertia or momentum logic, he scared away their effects on him years ago

So now he can pirouette and gore Zag at Mach .75 without a problem

[clever halo]

Hrrrm. Maimed Strike or Abyssal Soul. Using the spear...

[sage marten]

asterius is like 50% kind of divine in nature if we get very tecnical so it's fine

[ancient frost]

wtf i just had two fishing spots in chaos

and i entered it 3 times

are they that rare?

[vast junco]

that is incredibly lucky

[vale kite]

did u have huge catch

[flat vapor]

base 1% for a fishing spot in chaos

21% with poseidon's legendary

does huge catch also decrease the chamber countdown?

[ancient frost]

did u have huge catch
@vale kite no

[vale kite]

well then you're impossibly lucky

[quaint bramble]

@flat vapor I believe Huge Catch overrides the room cooldown entirely

[flat vapor]

dang, then it’s way more powerful than i thought

[quaint bramble]

I could be wrong of course, but I think I recall seeing the code that overrode it quoted here in a discussion a loooong time ago

[cerulean sun]

I just beat the game in 28 hours, looking forward to unlock it all 😄

[quaint bramble]

Congrats!

[clever halo]

So what do Titan Bloods actually do? Feel free to PM if it's spoilery.

[cerulean sun]

the truth is, I am definitely addicted to that game, it is so fun and deep, quite crazy for an early access

[strong furnace]

So what's the difference between raising rarity and level? I never know what to choose

[cerulean sun]

hmmm

rarity is what you can get at boons, the higher level, the better it is

level is more damage oriented or AoE oriented

[ancient frost]

and now i have a stonewhall
i've gone too far lmao

[quaint bramble]

@strong furnace Levels increase raw stats, rarity/tier increase base stats and scaling of later levels

[flat vapor]

levels are calculated off a base value, rarity is that base value

levels notably give diminishing returns, so after a few levels, rarity will give a higher bonus

[wooden fulcrum]

Could someone explain what the point of casts are past like Asphodel if you aren't using an attack centered build? I'm using shield bash as my dps with the hammer upgrades, and it seems like when I use cast its more likely to get me damaged, and then I do like 8 more damage to the enemy....

[flat vapor]

there's a mirror upgrade that gives some extra utility to casts

cast builds number among the top builds in the game

[wooden fulcrum]

I guess i wouldn't know, I'm key starved at every point :/

[flat vapor]

guaranteed ranged attack always, even on a melee build

they don't seem like much as first, but you learn to appreciate them

[wooden fulcrum]

But like, if I'm using bow and have my specials upgraded

Is there a point to using it compared to shotgun q?

[high island]

Some cast focused builds can wreck bosses in seconds.

[wooden fulcrum]

I guess I need more keys

[flat vapor]

the utility upgrade in the mirror for casts brings up their usefulness a lot

of course, not every way of damaging has to be useful in every run

[high island]

Last boss is a spoiler here. So you'll have to edit your message or delete it. Can speak more freely in #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat.

[grave nebula]

Is there a way to open the two locked doors in the lobby?

[sage marten]

There’s a way to open one of them

The other will be either perma locked or just a case of Underworld Renovations™️

[spring lava]

the first locked door will be relevant for a number of character stories later so you should grab it when you discover how to unlock it

[grave nebula]

How?

Ive escaped twice and havent seen anything

[spring lava]

A lot more than twice

I've escaped maybe 60 odd times and I'm still getting story beats

[quaint bramble]

@grave nebula a lot of the game’s story progression gets procced by dialogue after runs so just keep gifting people and chatting with them. Now that you’ve escaped once, most of the dialogue that was gated behind that will eventually be accessible and almost all of the progression you need will be available between runs no matter whether you win or lose them

[grim turret]

hey, quick question, what do you have to do to unlock the fists? my bf is playing the game and wants to know, but I'd already hit heat 20 by the time the nighty-night update came out

[quaint bramble]

Pretty sure you just have to complete a run with the previous weapon after unlocking that? I think all the weapons are like that

[sour dust]

A general curiousity from folks in this server, how many people would be interested in a smaller server aimed to spark more tight knit discussions abt hades and for sharing artwork/fics and the related likes?

it'll be small and comfy for thoes who don't like interacting with huge crowds!

[crude trail]

not sure how hectic this one gets during peak times

[peak rapids]

Quick question. I just managed to unlock the base version of all the weapons, and now see that I can buy Aspects. What are the "best" ones to unlock, and how limited is Titan Blood?

[worthy egret]

Wish me luck i just took maimed strike when attack is my main damage source

My cast is also crystal

[crude trail]

ive got 3 chaos curses active atm and I have like 70 dmg hits in elysium lmao

[wheat steppe]

This game is super cool. Been playing all evening and just beat the first boss

[sage marten]

@peak rapids limited-ish, once you unlock the pact of punishment the bounties reset for each level of added difficulty, you'll see what i mean
worst case scenario you can buy some from styx if you got 1.5k obol

[crude trail]

is the dash attack with a bow when your crouching? hard to tell if im actually pulling it off ahah

[strong furnace]

So as development has gone on, have they added new rooms? Not that the rooms aren't great but I've been playing way too much and they are feeling repetitive

[kindred current]

hello is there going to be an arabic language in the game

[jolly lodge]

not at the moment

[worthy egret]

You guys

This was hell

I almost lost

I get my dds refilled

And then

It turns out

The last cursed room

Is the elysium bossfight

If i come out of this alive i will be a changed person

[jolly lodge]

you can do this

[merry harbor]

You've got this1

Don't forget your summon exists!

[crude trail]

i had 2 curses in the elysium bossfight and negative damage, was rough till I died lmao

[worthy egret]

I LIVED

sort of

[sage marten]

gratz

[worthy egret]

Lost a dd

[sage marten]

do you at least have any left?

[worthy egret]

2

[sage marten]

worst case scenario you can always crutch on the teeth

[worthy egret]

Welcome back spread fire zeus attack i missed you

[glass spruce]

So, just played the game for the first time, and it's amazing. Had a small hiccup though. Where should I mention it?

[crude trail]

I gotta actually switch to DD I always run the other one

[glass spruce]

Just checked the Faq. Oops

[worthy egret]

• first room of styx

• why do i hear boss music

[strong furnace]

First beating the finale and ended with 5 health

[crude trail]

Plenty of hp

[worthy egret]

Make that dd count 1

Im so gonna lose the final fight

[crude trail]

Took me 8 hours(of total gameplay) to beat the finale fight

[worthy egret]

||first phase down. 19 hp. One dd and skelly left|| lets go

[crude trail]

Felt like I shoulda done it in less

[worthy egret]

Welp i lost

Dude had like 8 hp left

Well thats a streak broken 🙃

[fossil hollow]

i only got the game earlier today and

idk if this is the right channel but

the game is SO GOOD

ive never enjoyed a rogue-lite so much

and im not great at them :( but it's still so much fun

[prisma peak]

sorry!

xD i search to see if other poeple had used bad language first and there were messages in hades spoliers channel with it so i thought it was ok but anyway xD

what I meant to say was: "Yeah, i only got it yesterday and I'm f-ing loving it soo much!"

[fossil hollow]

yeah >:)

[broken vault]

You coulda just read the readme

[prisma peak]

that's very fair 🙈 but i was feeling lazy but yeah that was probably the better thing to do lol

well not probably it was the better thing to do xD

[pseudo lark]

Not sure how I would search for something so vague, but has there been any discussion on darkness not being shown in the bottom right unless you open the boons screen? It feels weird that nectar/keys/obols show up but not darkness.

[alpine yacht]

darkness isn't used in runs so it doesn't need to show in the run

though ambrosia CAN be used in runs and isnt shown either

so

[pseudo lark]

Yeah I guess that's fair. It's kind of a niche case, but it would just be a nice little quality-of-life thing for Fresh File speedruns.

Although the argument can be made that you should just keep track of how much you've gotten, I dunno

[deft gull]

sob I specifically wanted to grind for resources this run but Poseidon dumped me after one appearance

[vague frigate]

this game needs new ways to earn darkness, i have been stuck without an upgrade for like 30-40 hours in the mirror

if you go on win streaks, you stop earning any

[wind nest]

@vague frigate I'm actually about to publish a mod that let's you push past the maximum level on the mirror for a run

[vague frigate]

i didn't mean my mirror is maxed, i meant that i can't max it because i keep winning and getting the normal rewards, i have 5500 and next upgrade is 10k, its been sooooo long

maybe i need to start going on 0 heat runs just to farm darkness or something with the darkness weapon of the run or something like that

[vast junco]

that feedback about the security log calling the hydra "lernie" after a certain point is funny, but honestly wouldn't make too much sense considering Zag isn't in charge of the log himself, and ||Zag's own weapon aspects show up as redacted there too, making that even clearer||

[peak rapids]

Another question. What are the more important "permanent" upgrades to focus on when starting the game?

Or is everything equally useful?

[alpine yacht]

in the mirror?

[peak rapids]

Just in general.

[alpine yacht]

if you found a weapon aspect you like focus on that first ofc

but otherwise its just the mirror

either way they don't compete

[peak rapids]

Contractor, keepsakes, mirror, etc...

[livid cargo]

I'd say get the extra dash, healing per room for mirror

[alpine yacht]

contractor takes gems/diamonds, mirror takes darkness, weapons take blood and keepsakes just take ambrosia and running with them

[livid cargo]

for contractor id go for fountains and not stress too much about the gold pot upgrades

[alpine yacht]

so all in all there's no contradiction improving all of that

[livid cargo]

keepsakes go for what you use the most

[peak rapids]

Also, at the beginning is it worth swapping weapons around in order to get the Darkness bonus?

As that's what I've kinda been doing. And found out what weapons I prefer (Rail, Shield, and Spear mostly).

[alpine yacht]

i think so unless u dont like some of them

or feel bad with them

[peak rapids]

The only weapon I don't like is the bow.

[livid cargo]

i used to hate bow until i got some of the aspects

now its one of my favorite

[alpine yacht]

I would say -
contractor: fountains / darkness (boosts health)
keepsakes: cerberus / achilles / skelly
mirror: death defiance / reflex / thick skin

[peak rapids]

I actually haven't unlocked any Aspects yet.

[alpine yacht]

as far as most important upgrades

priviliged status or family favorite are also awesome

[peak rapids]

Why Achilles as an important keepsake?

I looked at that one and it seems risky.

[alpine yacht]

30% damage reduction is great

at max rank

its only risky if you face away from the danger

i'd start with cerberus as long as you need early hp

then go for achilles or skelly depending on your needs

[peak rapids]

I've been using the boon-keepsakes. Should I swap to the others?

[alpine yacht]

those are awesome too

just up to your desires

i like the RNG

but if i go for a certain god yea

or if i need one for my current random build

i swap between acts

OH RIGHT

contractor has an option to put a new keepsake between acts

that's #1

😄

[peak rapids]

Also, speaking of builds. How important are they for making it through the later regions?

[alpine yacht]

builds are everything

i would say

[peak rapids]

Farthest I've made it is I think 3rd room of Elysium (I got the game a few days ago).

[alpine yacht]

maximize your damage potential and synergize to your playstyle

if you're using priviliged status go fast for the 2x debuffs

if family favorite go for as many new gods ofc

[peak rapids]

What's privleged status?

[alpine yacht]

that's a mirror upgrade

you can unlock with keys

and then darkness ofc

[peak rapids]

Ah. Deepest I am in the mirror is the 10-key payment after Infernal/Stygian Soul.

[alpine yacht]

go for that, fast

farm keys 😄

the next upgrades are the biggest

or well

2nd biggest

[peak rapids]

Can you have multiple boons affecting the same attack.

Like Ares Attack-Boon and Zeus Attack Boon?

Or is it only one or the other?

[quaint bramble]

No, each usually takes up the little “attack” slot on the left side of the screen

There are exceptions. Sometimes a god will offer a higher rarity version of their own attack to replace your current one. Hermes boons can boost you attack when you have another god on it. And another deity will eventually give you the option of boosting your attack damage generally for other costs

[peak rapids]

You mean ||Chaos|| for the last one?

I was actually going to ask about them. Is it ever worth to ||enter the Chaos Portals without having the Keepsake that removes the health-reduction?||

[daring hull]

it depends on the area for me? also the ||fish|| are v good

if you ever find one

[peak rapids]

There is ||fishing|| in this game?

[quaint bramble]

Depends on the area and how well your build is going, but I absolutely find it worth the cost. You can get a bunch of useful stuff down there.

[daring hull]

i'm not sure if thats spoilers xD but yes

[peak rapids]

BTW I don't really care as much about gameplay spoilers as long as they aren't heavily story tied (AKA stuff like knowing the gameplay thing would spoil a plot-twist later down the road).

[daring hull]

that's valid but others might so just in case

[peak rapids]

I do however already know ||who the final boss is, even though IMO that's kinda a obvious one.||

[alpine yacht]

very obvious

as for chaos - it is very worth it once you get more health

so first - unlock the mirror

invest in it

but for me - i almost always take the egg for the first zone or two

for better rarity if nothing else

[high island]

Can discuss gameplay more freely in #h1-builds-and-combat than in here.

[quaint bramble]

Was gonna say that but couldn’t find Argenta’s @ to tag them over there

[peak rapids]

Huh?

Can't find how to tag me.

[chilly schooner]

Here's a question: How long can you play before you exhaust all story events and/or dialouge? does anyone know? (I'm not building up a critique or anything just curious).

[wind nest]

@chilly schooner I don't have an exact answer but each character in the house has around 150-200 diaglogue blocks. And you need to do some unlocking through runs and items to get the late game diaglogue. It's easily 50 hours. Maybe even 100

[chilly schooner]

Oh wow! I wasn't expecting that much considering there's still a few major updates to come! Thanks for your estimation!

[high island]

SGG don't waste time.

[peak rapids]

Well yay. I just made it to the ||final boss of Elysium|| for the first time (and died). This game is a LOT of fun.

[high island]

Nice!

Once more, without dying!

[peak rapids]

I might need to spend some time learning that fight...

Before I get my first victory.

What I had to do for the ||Hydra||

[digital gale]

Hey uh

Just finished the game

Like, just got my 2 win

And, my god, this is a masterpiece

Like, in every aspect

Can't wait to V1.0 . Seriously.

[narrow hemlock]

my fav thing about getting an influx of new players is the ones who insist aphrodite is useless

it never fails, there is always at least one thread about aphrodite boons and i think thats pretty funny

[high island]

Heathens.

Threads where?

[deep pivot]

Probably on Steam or Reddit

[high island]

Yeah, but that's still two options.

[novel wasp]

anyone who says Aphro weak should get a visit by me

I will give them the Love Smack

1,2 Smack

[narrow hemlock]

steam, im too lazy to check reddit

[digital gale]

Everybody's gangsta until ||Hades|| oneshots you with a single ass slap

[novel wasp]

Also @digital gale this aint it chief

change your pfp

[digital gale]

Aphro is kinda obligatory at the late stages

Oo

[novel wasp]

as much as I like cursed content but this server is very sfw

just gonna save you the trouble before the mods come for you

[digital gale]

Sure

[west chasm]

Ami the only one who thinks fishing isn't good?

[brisk trail]

If it were a more necessary/integral part of the game, I think that would be a problem.

But it's such a small part of the gameplay loop that it doesn't need to be a knockout mechanic. It just helps reducing the grind a bit.

[west chasm]

Yea i know

I just don't like a timing mechanic on top of an RNG mechanic

Like there's less than 0.1% chance to get a legendary fish when entering Chaos

On top of having to press a button within a third of a second

Imo just pull an Animal Crossing, so long you press a button within the threshold you get the fish

[high island]

The timing honestly is very lenient for a perfect catch. It still needs some adjusting, but most people shouldn't have a problem making perfect catches with some practice.

[brisk trail]

I don't think it's terribly lenient.

[wind nest]

I don't find it leient either lol I'm not in my 20s and it's HARD

[flat vapor]

it's really not that lenient lmao

[high island]

340 msec would be a 20 frame hit confirm (continuing a combo on hit but not on block) in fighting games at 60fps. That's considered something any beginner should be able to learn relatively quick. Most standard hit confirms would be 17~18 frames, which is 280~300 msec.

[heavy parrot]

i mean, things are easier to learn if they happen more often than maybe twice a run, you know?

[twilit junco]

hello all 🙂 how can i save in this game ? cuz every time when i leave i loose 1-2 or 4 minutes

[flat vapor]

the game works on autosaves

in the main house area, it happens after you enter a room. in a run, the game autosaves when you first enter a chamber and after you pick up your reward

[narrow hemlock]

i dont find the timing hard but thats purely bc i use controller and i wait for the vibrate cue to reel in. if i didnt have vibrate it would prob be tougher for me to get perfect catches lol

i think the community is p much unanimous that chaos fishing spots need to be looked at though

[vast junco]

the timing for me is hard in the opposite sense, where i haven't completed codex entries for common fish because i get perfect catch too often to even have common fish show up

so i have to try and delay my reaction a bit

[tropic panther]

after party... the worst boon in the game?

[brisk trail]

Not even close.

It's very powerful at higher rarities.

Tempest Strike is the worst boon in the game.

Or maybe Dire Misfortune.

[quaint bramble]

Naaah dire misfortune has a usecase. I’m agreeing with Tidal Strike. Lacking damage and an effect that works against you most of the time

[brisk trail]

Low damage, bad effect, you have to deal with even more Poseidon boons later in the run. It's just a no-win situation.

[tropic panther]

what is tidal strike? i only know tidal dash and tempest strike

[brisk trail]

Friggin' Greg.

[tropic panther]

how is dire misfortune bad? if you running the shield with caos you can aply the effect 8 times in a single shot

[brisk trail]

Where are you getting 8 stacks? Max level Chaos only throws 5 shields.

[tropic panther]

anyway, 5

combo with impending doom

very good damage

[brisk trail]

That's one very specific example. Doom fires too quickly for the vast majority of weapon set-ups, and taking ID requires a secondary boon just to make DM effective.

[high island]

@vast junco I have that same problem with common fish lol.

[tropic panther]

i kill the last boss fast af with misfortune

[quaint bramble]

I view dire misfortune as like a less-straightforward crit built, it works with fast attacks and Hermes boons. If you get it on the bow with a doom attack it will be garbage

[wind nest]

Impending doom is nowhere near a ban boon

Doom is the status effect that does the most base damage

[brisk trail]

Impending Doom is the second-best boon you can get on a Doom build, it's only being discussed as a way to make Dire Misfortune not-useless.

[wind nest]

Ok sure if you're not all in on doom I wouldn't take Dire Misfortune

There are definately builds that like DIre Misfortune though

[vast junco]

dire misfortune's underwhelming bonus damage might actually be good if it works with curse of longing and is still applied as a flat addition with each tick (i almost never take dire misfortune so i honestly just don't even know if that does work)

[west chasm]

@high island It's a 20 frame hit confirm with minimal visual/audio cue

[vast junco]

the visual cue is definitely not minimal in my eyes

[high island]

There's a very obvious flash when a fish bites.

[west chasm]

Red flash on red water?

Like... really?

[vast junco]

the white beacon flash

bright vertical line

[brisk trail]

It's not a significant cue.

[west chasm]

It's very hard to make something pop out in a river of blood

[strong furnace]

Just gotta focus on it and not hit until it stays submerged

[brisk trail]

If you hit on the frame that you could tell, sure.

[vast junco]

the audio cue i don't find reliable as it feels delayed relative to the catch timing

[west chasm]

Okay, fine. Even then there's a 5% chance of getting the fish you "want"

[brisk trail]

The audio cue is not super tight, no.

[vast junco]

have never had a problem with the visual though, personally

[strong furnace]

Only part I don't like is there isn't a redo once you miss

If it's still on the line and I haven't pulled yet and it's submerged, I should be able to pull it out

[west chasm]

My issue with fishing is that it tries to be both skill and RNG at the same time

[deep pivot]

Ohey, Ray is chatting here

[west chasm]

Idk i just think that "press button asap" doesn't feel like good gameplay to me

I know the game's barely at 0.27 and it will get changed tho

[vast junco]

knowing the general catch patterns helps, too

there are moments where you can just anticipate it more

[west chasm]

All i know is that fake bobs only happen up to 3 times

Aside from that fishing is, for me, legitimately stressing

Which defeats the purpose of fishing

[high island]

Yeah, I've left feedback that I want to see some changes for it, too.

[strong furnace]

About the skill+RNG comment, personally I like it. It's like a QTE but better because it's randomized so it's not as easy as a QTE

[west chasm]

My issue with it is that, precisely, it's a QTE

[strong furnace]

Yeah, but it's not like other games where you're part of a cutscene and it's incredibly obvious when it'll happen

Like I'm thinking Tomb Raider and whatnot

[west chasm]

Have you played Metal gear rising?

[strong furnace]

Nah

[west chasm]

On the first playthrough there are dozens of QTE you WILL miss when they pop

The final boss even uses QTE as a mechanic

[strong furnace]

Yeah, but this is for a fishing minigame

[west chasm]

Exactly

It's a fishing minigame, but there are so many rules and variables

It really overcomplicates it

[solar trail]

time to stardew valley it up

[strong furnace]

There are? I just assumed it was hit the button when it stayed submerged

I try not to overthink it

[west chasm]

Look

[vast junco]

i understand where your frustration is coming from but i genuinely don't think it's too complicated

[west chasm]

You can be "so good" at the fishing minigame you can literally never see common fishes

[vast junco]

i don't mean to sound snarky with that or anything

just to be clear

[strong furnace]

Oh same

[deep pivot]

@vast junco It's ok

[west chasm]

My point is

Getting a perfect catch is harder than fighting any boss in hades

Every time you step into Chaos, if everything goes right, there's a 0.1% chance you get a legendary catch

[tropic panther]

which do u guys think is the worst call?

aid*

[vast junco]

i do think the chaos fish appearance rate problem being exacerbated by fishing being inconsistent or unenjoyable for someone is, well, not great

[digital gale]

Poseidon's

[deep pivot]

I don't mean to bash any gods, especially because I like this one very much but, Aphrodite's is the least useful for me

I do pick hers because I love her lines and pink and hearts 💗

[tropic panther]

i find aphrodite very useful on bosses

like a stun

[west chasm]

Speaking of aids

[strong furnace]

I haven't learned how to use Athena's call well yet

[vast junco]

i think poseidon's is fine as long as it's rare and upgraded at least once or above that rarity

[brisk trail]

Ares or Poseidon.

[west chasm]

Why can't i get a signal of when Ares' or Poseidon's ends

Like, the base call

I have lost DD way too many times because i used the base call and lost it without realizing

[tropic panther]

ares damage sucks but it can be useful when used to save you from a hit

same to poseidon

[quaint bramble]

Poseidon’s is one of the best, assuming you don’t get that one weird bug with movement I keep hearing about. I don’t like Aphrodite’s too much except for nuke damage (which is great) and I don’t like Zeus’ much either because of the AOE that puts you in more danger than it’s worth

[deep pivot]

Ares' Aid with Vicious Cycle = All the FB's HP (I did that once)

[west chasm]

There's an odd bug with Poseidon's call

During the first few frames you can get stunned

[solar trail]

but i love poseidons call

[digital gale]

Ares has a solid dps
Aphrodite is a REALLY GOOD utillity
Athena's makes wonders on the Hydra and bullet-hell encounters
Poseidon's is a fast yeet

[brisk trail]

Yeah, any Blade Rift instantly goes from "meh" to "Where did all the enemies go?" if you get Vicious Cycle.

[west chasm]

Zeus' is one of the best tho

Same for Artemis

They charge fast, deal good damage

[vast junco]

i love deleting a boss phase with full artemis

[brisk trail]

Artemis is alright with single charges and terrifying with a full charge.

[digital gale]

My go-to is always Demeter's
Straight up OP

[brisk trail]

Zeus and Dionysus are my go-tos, monster damage every time.

[strong furnace]

Oh wanted to ask y'all, earlier, I had a red circle going around my character but hadn't seen it before. Do y'all know what it is?

[west chasm]

Ironically Artemis is bad with her Call boon

[deep pivot]

I like to use Artemis' for Hermes' and Zeus' buffs

[strong furnace]

https://imgur.com/a/UzYSRbQ

[deep pivot]

Since it has more charges

[solar trail]

Im not as big of a fan of artemis' call even though she is top tier waifu

[digital gale]

^

[west chasm]

But, anyways where was i?

Ah yeah, fishing bad

[strong furnace]

Red circle?

[deep pivot]

I don't know what that red circle is

[west chasm]

I can't press a button within 0.34 seconds of a randomly generated signal

Like i literally cannot

[strong furnace]

Get better fingers Net

[solar trail]

Just TAS smh

[west chasm]

Sorry i have trigger syndrome

[brisk trail]

Red circle is Zeus Call buff.

Billowing Strength.

[west chasm]

But i kinda would love to see changes

[strong furnace]

Ah ok

Yeahhhh

You're right

Thanks

[solar trail]

The trick is to immediately press the button to have that 1/99999999999 chance that you hit it immediately

[wind nest]

The real problem with fishing is that it's BORRRRRINNNNGGGG it's easily the worst part of the game

Catch the fish or don't

either way you're getting what? A few gems or a nice item.

[strong furnace]

Sounds like real fishing

[wind nest]

The game grinds to a halt

no decisions to be made

[brisk trail]

It's maybe 10 seconds.

[wind nest]

simply hit the button well and get something

Yeah it's not the end of the world, it's not the worst thing ever, but there's a clear issue here

[narrow hemlock]

do y'all remember that they literally just added fishing as a silly side thing, its really not that deep

[wind nest]

Unlike every single part of the action game, you literally get zero choices when fishing, and the reward you get for making zero choices is enormous when compared to the effort you put into it

The shallowness is the problem

[digital gale]

Casuals.
Fishing isn't a loot-based activity.

Its a Lifestyle.

[wind nest]

And it looks ugly compared to the depth of the rest of the game

[west chasm]

Ok but listen, the fishing part is just too weird for trying to be simple

[brisk trail]

Well, feel free to put that in feedback.

[west chasm]

I honestly do not care for the gems and stuff, i think it's fine

But the actual fishing

Like can't it just be animal crossing?

[vast junco]

it's optional at least. it changes the pacing if you're moving nonstop but it's very much meant to be like that

[narrow hemlock]

its shallow because it was literally a spur of the moment thing https://gyazo.com/a8923f126ca9cd13a35275bd313db7f3

[west chasm]

So i don't have to give up and try again just to get that one knucklehead on the first chamber???

[vast junco]

the trailer for the patch that introduced it even makes light of its nature when it's shown off

[narrow hemlock]

not defending the shallowness but like. it was never meant to be seen as an in depth mechanic

[west chasm]

I don't want it to be deep

[wind nest]

I get that the purpose is to provide a break in the aciton

[west chasm]

In fact, i think having two timings makes it too deep

[wind nest]

but I actually find fishing REALLY stressful

wait there are two timings?

[west chasm]

Yeah, perfect catch and normal catch

[wind nest]

Oh well i knew that

[brisk trail]

If the skippable mechanic that is intentionally designed to break flow and slow the game down is breaking your flow and slowing the game down too much, maybe you should skip it.

[vast junco]

heated fishing hours

[narrow hemlock]

then dont fish until they change it? if they decide to change it?

[wind nest]

I thought you meant like the perfect catch timing was variatic

The game literally incentivises you to do it

[brisk trail]

But still does not make it mandatory.

There are other ways to beat the grind.

[wind nest]

If it's the best way to collect stuff, I'm gonna do it lol

[west chasm]

I have 0 issues to grind

Like really

[narrow hemlock]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wind nest]

I don't have issues with the grind either

[brisk trail]

No, I agree that it could use a bit of polish.

[west chasm]

My problem is fishing

One thing is a 0.34 window to dodge a huge attack

[wind nest]

but you can't say it's "optional" because it's a part of the game that you should engage with to make colelcting gems and other resources a little faster

[brisk trail]

It is entirely optional.

[west chasm]

Another thing is a tiny fish you have 0.34 seconds to catch

[brisk trail]

The same way pressing Cast or half the buttons in the game are optional.

[vast junco]

i'm just not sure what you even want fishing in hades to be other than gone

[west chasm]

And the rewards for legendary fishes are... laughable

[solar trail]

Im just saying the only problem with fishing is that half of the fish are just normal names with H after the C

[west chasm]

Not to mention the introduction of a legendary boon for the sole purpose of tinkering with the RNG of another RNG based thing

[narrow hemlock]

im pretty sure every single person in this chat has some sort of grievance with fishing and we could debate that all night long but i genuinely dont understand your gripes with a mechanic that is intentionally meant to break the flow of the game (and even pauses the escape timer) is that... it breaks the flow of the game. like.

[vast junco]

charp and chlam did nothing wrong

[wind nest]

Here's what fishing should be: pick 1-3 boons to use as your bait. Boons gives interesting bonuses to fishing. Level up fishing level over time to make fishing easier. Fishing can give a whole lot of different rewards, like even gold or special bonus like extra damage or dodge. even a few keepsakes.

[west chasm]

My issue isn't that it breaks the flow of the game...? Like, i never said anything about it

[solar trail]

Chan you Chlarify what you mean?

[narrow hemlock]

not talking about you net, i mean turbo

[vast junco]

lmao

[west chasm]

My issue is that fishing isn't even fun as a change of pace

[deep pivot]

Chlam is best fish

[solar trail]

I vote Stardewvalley it up

[west chasm]

Hell maybe it's because i'm, medically speaking, an anxiety ridden mess

But fishing just ain't good

[brisk trail]

I do find fishing (in this game) fun.

[solar trail]

Chlam is best fish
@deep pivot I love how happy zaggy is when he finds this shell thing

[brisk trail]

I agree that some of its mechanics need polish.

[wind nest]

I like that it breaks up the flow of gameplay, I think that the actual gameplay of fishing is really low quality and really sucks compared to the rest of the game

[west chasm]

It doesn't feel good to try or succeeding

[vast junco]

turbo you can leave that feedback if you want but i'm not positive that everyone else or the devs intend for it to be anywhere near that complex

[solar trail]

Wait does that count as pinging the mods for an unimportant reason 🤔

[west chasm]

It's literally just "press button"

[narrow hemlock]

like i said, every single person here has grievances with fishing in some aspect or another. that part isnt even a debate

[vast junco]

it's a cute side activity for resources

[wind nest]

It's like if you scratched the mona lisa. You'd still have a freakin mona lisa and wouldn't throw it in the trash. But you'd still have a big ole scratch you'd look at every time you saw it.

[flat vapor]

the fishing could be made better if zag pronounced the "ch" in every fish

ch-lam

[west chasm]

Having to press a button within 0.34 seconds doesn't feel cute for me

[vast junco]

zag having a conversation with someone correcting his pronunciation

[narrow hemlock]

if youre using a controller turn your vibrate on

[solar trail]

If he pronounces it like that i think I know the real reason why He's in Hell

[deep pivot]

@solar trail It's ok! I was here so it's all good

[flat vapor]

charp

[solar trail]

phew

[digital gale]

Imagine having to sacrifice a gift from an actual god just to catch an underwordly FISH that swims in lava

Actually thats pretty nice

[brisk trail]

The idea would be that the fish is roughly equal to the sacrificed boon, but then I'd just skip every fishing spot.

[narrow hemlock]

are the fish already dead and you're killing them again

[west chasm]

I just don't know anymore

[wind nest]

I just searched 'fishing" in the feedback forum and people allready made the complaints I have so I'm not gonna reiterate them there

[tropic panther]

which rod is the best to catch legendary fish?

[vast junco]

"head chef" if that is your real name, which it isn't

[wind nest]

You wouldn't sacrifice the boon, you would use the boons you allready have to make an upgraded bait/fishing rod effectively. You wouldn't lose teh boons though

Some boons could be better for specific kinds of fish and so on

[west chasm]

My argument is: Hades should take notes from Animal Crossing

[vast junco]

fishing is supposed to be a juxtaposition, though. having it mirror run progression and get as involved as you propose isn't what SGG is going for with it

i know not everyone likes that juxtaposition but that's inevitable

[wind nest]

OK sure it's a shallow activity I get that. I still don't think it's the right kind of shallow activity.

[solar trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496042478760099853/709256355613114418/unknown.png

[west chasm]

Okay, here's the thing

[wind nest]

Monster hunter has a simple "cook and eat food for bonuses before fighting" system. They could do something similar. Something that involves you making a choice and using your run resources somehow

[west chasm]

What should something that differs from the core gameplay loop be?

You have some games with a card game event, or a puzzle

[vast junco]

as an avid monster hunter player, cooking is so minor that you hardly bother after a certain point

the bbq spit is a silly staple but it's not involved

[wind nest]

Yeah and you don't need to fish in the game either

[west chasm]

Something that demands a different skill than the one used in the core loop

[vast junco]

you don't need to fish in hades either though?

[west chasm]

My issue ain't about it being needed or not

It's just... unfun

Like a vehicle level on Bayonetta

[tropic panther]

do u guys think that we will have more ways to spend darkness in the future?

[solar trail]

If they did the hades thing in MH then wouldnt it be that if you cook in MH then you also get some resources like nets or scales

[tropic panther]

like new stuff on the mirror

[solar trail]

They used purple and green

time to add red

[brisk trail]

I hope so, the Darkness rework was supposed to give us more stuff on which to spend it, and then I ended up with more Darkness than I had before the patch.

[wind nest]

@tropic panther I have a mod that lets you spend darkness on bonus ranks for that run if you're interested

[west chasm]

Thing about the darkness rework is...

[tropic panther]

i dont cheat thanks

[wind nest]

It resets the ranks after the run though, so it's not "cheating" and it won't mess up your save

[west chasm]

It doesn't feel as if you actually progress stuff

[wind nest]

I priced the ranks aggresively though

[west chasm]

You just have ranked talents that are on the shelf

[tropic panther]

getting darksness is so easy

sometimes we can make 5k in a single run

[solar trail]

i cry in low rank

[tropic panther]

the darkness caos boon is just op

how did they put so high numbers

i end with over 1000% sometimes

gain

[solar trail]

btw anyone else think the chaos sound effect is satisfying

[tropic panther]

yes

[vast junco]

def

[tropic panther]

its alien

[vast junco]

the sound design for chaos/the void is great

[solar trail]

I just press it in the relic chest to get that Metallic swoosh noise

[digital gale]

Hey uh

One question

At the Artemis status (i dunno what you call it)

Is it normal for Aphrodite get mad over her?

[solar trail]

Ya mean the boons with the 2 god powers

or

Like the screen that appears

[digital gale]

Then she says something about "talk tp you later"

The scene itself

[solar trail]

Ah

Thats a duo thing

sometimes other gods join in

[digital gale]

Because it appeared to me and I can't level her status anymore

Can't give her the Ambrosia

[tropic panther]

you can only once per run

[digital gale]

Yeah but i tried in other runs too

[solar trail]

It might be a bug

[tropic panther]

so u reached the limit

[digital gale]

Oof

[strong furnace]

So how quickly do you have to clear an encounter for Hermes' relic?

[brisk trail]

Depends on the room.

It used to be a hard 30 seconds but no one could possibly clear rooms consistently in Asphodel or later in under 30 seconds (besides speedrunners) so they changed it.

[digital gale]

Yeah

[tropic panther]

why hermes have a boon named "bad news"... it looks like a bad name

hey i got BAD NEWS!

cool

[digital gale]

Still, it's impossible to finish in time in the gorgon/pillar head

[vast junco]

let hermes have his courier theme ok

[digital gale]

Or it is REALLY hard

[solar trail]

lmao what if hermes sometimes gives other gods boons because hes also the god of thieves

[tropic panther]

bad news doesnt seem a boon name

looks like something from reddit

and reddit sucks

[high island]

I saw talk of chlams. Chlams do not exist, and that's a fact.

[solar trail]

They went extinct because zag fished em all

[tropic panther]

i have a new favorite boon

[solar trail]

wot

the SUSPENSE

[high island]

No, he never fished any of them. They're only a legend.

[solar trail]

theyre literally a myth

[high island]

Now ||Seamares||. Those are everywhere.

[flat vapor]

the cutest fish are slavugs and only slavugs

[novel wasp]

nah

KNUCKLEHEAD

[high island]

The slavug. Another legend.

[digital gale]

c h l a m

[flat vapor]

you gonna look me in the eyes and tell me knuckleheads are cuter than slavugs?

[brisk trail]

Knuckleheads are terrifying.

[solar trail]

I want to cover them in flesh and see how they loo like as human

[high island]

Slavugs aren't real.

[digital gale]

I just wanted to go fishing on the fountains...

[solar trail]

• gets penny *

"I caught a choin!"

[vestal terrace]

How do I unlock or find Weapon Aspects?

Do I need to complete the game first? I'm really confused

[sharp parcel]

you need to unlock all weapons

[high egret]

how to unlock new fist weapon?

[nocturne barn]

with keys

[high egret]

kinda dumb question but...

where to do that...

kinda lost

haven't played for 3 months

I forget everything

[broken vault]

key = room reward, get by playing a run

[high egret]

full run?

[broken vault]

enough runs to grind out your keys

[sour dust]

full runs take like 30~ mins anyway

[broken vault]

room rewards aren’t always keys, so pray for good rng

[high egret]

I see

Thanks guys\

[broken vault]

happy escaping

[high egret]

There are escape from hell?

[broken vault]

you’ll have to find out for yourself by playing more, or not minding spoilers

[sour dust]

yeah! just play the game and you'll find out

[twin sable]

Just finished the first escape run, what an amazing game. Thanks so much for making this, guys. Really fun

Pretty much played non-stop since I bought it lol

[sour dust]

congratz! u did it

only more fun to come uvu

[twin sable]

Does progress reset after each major update?

[worthy egret]

Nope

[acoustic sand]

Bought the game yesterday, it's my first hack n slash, i made it past Theseus and the Minotaur but died a few chambers after xD

[sage marten]

Oof

You made it pretty far though, Styx is the last area for the time being

[acoustic sand]

yea, i should have stopped and come back later, i was a little stressed and tired, but i was not sure the game saved in the middle of a run

[sage marten]

it does between areas iirc

if you hit the pause button and see a quit button it means it saved

if it says something along the lines of abandon run then it didn't

[acoustic sand]

between areas or between rooms ?

[sage marten]

areas

[acoustic sand]

oh...

cause i left a few mins ago and it said "saved a minute ago"

i thought my room was saved

[sage marten]

i have no idea whether it may be saved or not

[acoustic sand]

chamber*

[sage marten]

if it said quit then chances are it may

[twin sable]

I'll test it rn

[acoustic sand]

no dw ill see it next time

[twin sable]

It saves between rooms

[acoustic sand]

oh nice

cause i had finished my room, i didn't know if i had to start another, well ill tell you anyway

yea, it saved alright

[mortal palm]

@high egret to save you confusion, the fists only appears after one run, be it success or failure I recall

basically you just gotta do a run to 'refresh' it

[grand knoll]

the amount of unique dialogue in this game is incredible.

[hexed grove]

Dialogue, voice acting and their method storytelling are one of SG's most impressive strengths imo

they're doing really cool things with the narrator, interactive voice lines and stuff like that

there's

alot i could point out but it'd be a text wall lmao

[grand knoll]

it's fantastic, been playing for 27ish hours of failed attempts and i'm just blown away that i've heard almost no repeated dialogue, definitely helps keep my interest to keep trying lol

[hexed grove]

Yup

The only repeated lines you hear are the very atmospheric ones like hades dealing with endless ghosts

the work that goes into fleshing out every possible voice line and making sure they flow well with each other in a way that makes sense freaking shines

i goddamn LOVE this company so much goddamnit

[clever halo]

There's also the world of snark appeal.

[sonic sleet]

I think by now my right hand is to buff from playing hades for so long XD

My thumb has abs at this point

[grand knoll]

i can relate, i had to force myself to stop after my hands started getting sore after about seven hours lol

[hexed grove]

im playing with keyboard

ive always been a PC person so i only ever use controller for fighting games

[sour dust]

Mhmm mood

my mouse has a dent in left click now

This is concerning.

[acoustic sand]

i guess i'm starting to become an experienced gamer somewhat because first thing I do in every game is check the settings and change the keybinds even before playing

[cunning cape]

Please, don't say "Mhmm", I had a bad memories about certain fury.

[acoustic sand]

i use alt for the dash and E for special

lmao

she's tough all right

especially the "make it rain" attack when it's just arrows everywhere

Minotaur seems simple after that

said the guy who just lost to Minotaur

[cunning cape]

Well, sometimes his charge is deadly.

[sage marten]

it's k we've all lost to the b u l l at some point

[acoustic sand]

i didn't have enough health to fight him, i always lose a little health at least

when i have the health drinker attack i'm destroying him

even Theseus when i have good amount of health, but Theseus is harder

[cunning cape]

Alone Theseus is easy. Together they synergy well.

[acoustic sand]

first time i came upon the room i had to fight both but my build was nearly unstoppable (well, it got stopped a few chambers after nonetheless cause i got tired i guess)

i think the key is to be patient anyway

i said i think like it was not obvious, sorry

i'm not used to hacking and slashing my way across rooms, unless you count Skyrim as experience

[brisk trail]

just got hades and loving it

abit confused though

on wether im supposed to equip my boons or not?

or once ive got them

thats it

[narrow hemlock]

books you pick up are automatically active

[brisk trail]

they are functioning

ok sweet

[narrow hemlock]

boons..

[brisk trail]

what about when i press a on them

[narrow hemlock]

Thanks phone

[brisk trail]

the little icon appears on them