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#h1-discussion
untold blade
merry harbor
Look forward to running into the songs in game, then! :D
untold blade
I've been actively avoiding everything Hades related until it gets out of early access actually
so I can do a completely blind play through
merry harbor
Then you get to look forward to it for... Way more time than a lot of people then, but yeah, they've done songs.
Hope you enjoy it when you get it!
queen crag
Playing hades on the go would be pretty great
drowsy tendon
@drowsy tendon Can't you set your own keybindings?
@dense moth Yes I did it in the first minutes of my gameplay 🙂 . Small detail but I find special on maj/ctrl/caps is objectively better than on Q!
high island
I have no idea what maj is.
drowsy tendon
shift instead of maj excuse me
tacit spoke
agile saddle
They need to fix the last boss skull spam. Sometimes it gets out of hand and it still goes off screen
sage marten
imo the skull is fine, you just need to keep an eye on the timer and get the hell out of dodge if the timer goes too low and you can't kill it
the explosion radius covers roughly half the arena give or take so going to the other side of the room will save you from the boom
behold my skull wisdom
late siren
just wanted to say that the devs did a great job choosing the voice actors for the game, because while in quarantine my sister and I have been hit with several nostalgia bugs and have been rereading some of the books we loved when we were younger, currently Percy Jackson. The Gods and Goddesses' personalities in Hades match their depicitions in Percy Jackson really well, and it's been fun to have the game voices in my head while reading, it really helps bring it to life.
old sentinel
I have a question about Fated Authority and the Pact of Punishment. I'm not sure if it's a bug or a design decision.
There are two sources of Fated Authority - the upgrade at the Mirror, and the House Contracter upgrade to Underworld Key chamber rewards. Using the Pact of Punishment to limit the mirror upgrades also disables the Fated Authority reward from the Keys. Is this intended?
solid cosmos
yes. it's as if you didn't level up FA/FP, so the keys can't give you dice
flat vapor
there's details of the update's content in the in-game roadmap, if that's what you mean
calm hawk
But nothing new the last couple of weeks?
flat vapor
but there's been nothing recently from the devs
versed saddle
they're replacing all the enemies in tartarus with satyrs. :nodnod:
narrow hemlock
the update will come when its ready, thats really about all anyone can say
solid cosmos
they're replacing all the enemies in tartarus with satyrs. :nodnod:
they're also removing ice wine
narrow hemlock
i dont think we'll get any specifics about date until its really close
versed saddle
nooooo
dapper tulip
I know this is know spoilers, but is this the place for theories?
narrow hemlock
prob take that to #h1-story-discussion
brisk trail
Is anyone else experiencing stutter every time you take damage or finish a level, or is it just me?
high island
Yeah, it often freezes for a second or two in moments like that though the music and ambience keeps playing. And any screenshot I take when it happens turns out as a single black pixel. I think it got worse in the last major patch, but I could be wrong.
I'm getting a much better GPU this week, so I'll see if that helps.
old sentinel
@solid cosmos Sorry for the late response - You can purchase the House Contractor upgrade to receive FA as a reward before ever investing darkness into the mirror for it, or even before unlocking that section by spending keys.
young sand
I absolutely love the roadmap that is laid out for Hades.
I wish more games and products did this. Not everything needs to be a big reveal. Letting me know what is in the works is 
narrow hemlock
I feel like at this point people put roadmaps in their games because it's the new hip thing everyone does, without understanding its purpose, and just make it a big thing of promises. but yeah it's nice to see what's being worked on at current
spring lava
I liked it when you couldn't play a video game until the video game was complete and ready to ship.
But everything's gotta be Live and In Flight and A Service
I'd happily go back to games having an odd handful of bugs that never really get fixed but they ship completed
The problem of that screwing over indie studios is a problem that EA just bandaids
the scope of projects would need to be reduced as well, but again, don't see the problem there
brisk trail
any tips for Sisyphus' favor? I have no idea how to unlock his sentence at the contractor. I am quite sure I have talked to both meg and hades about him
lyric talon
Its a random event at that point, iirc. You just have to keep waiting.
daring hull
iirc you have to talk to nyx
gusty slate
I think talking to Meg and... Hades/Nyx? I know I mentioned it to Meg and she said take it up with Hades.
Hasn't happened yet x.x
high island
Meg > Hades > Nyx.
storm plinth
idk if it's been brought up yet; but are there any easter eggs referencing either Bastion or Transistor? The cheeky little Pyre sphere has me constantly looking through the house for a Caelondia crest or something, but so far I haven't found anything lol.
alpine yacht
Pyre sphere in our room on the shelves you mean?
Anyhow, I did not find any..I wish they'd bring transistor's sword as an aspect but seems people are against that since it doesn't fit the theme (though, if we got other legendary weapons I don't see why not that one, space/time is already broken)
storm plinth
yeah, the shelves behind the lyre. I had the same thought about the sword haha, but I agree with the sentiment that it doesn't really fit
I bought the vintage shelf for the lounge too, hoping that would have Bastion spirits on it. But to me it doesn't look like it does.
narrow hemlock
@alpine yacht doesn't matter now either way since the sword already has all aspects. but me personally, I'd rather something like that be an aside mention, rather than part of the gameplay itself
alpine yacht
We can always get a 5th aspect!
quaint bramble
No, we kinda can’t. My reasoning on not wanting the transistor or aspect of Red in the game is that the sword is already fully fleshed out, I would like to see more new content instead of the game’s theme being overshadowed by sgg’s previous successes. The spin on lore and future things in Earth’s history adds more than the sci-fi of another property.
sage marten
eh, transistor aspect seems a bit forced to me
quaint bramble
Yea is kinda feels like it would be shoehorned.
alpine yacht
5th aspect is 100% possible...not sure what the "we kinda can't" is supposed to mean. I understand some people don't like the idea of trasnsistor aspect, will probably never happen, but regardless a 5th aspect is a possibility 😄
sage marten
they probably say can't as in we already filled all the slots in the UI
while it could easily be possible technically speaking, it feels like a forced addition either way
patent topaz
Mainly because they're from a completely different universe: an easteregg like the pyre sphere is one thing, just a nudge, a gameplay element is another and you need to take into consideration not everyone will get the reference
alpine yacht
Once we get 4 aspects on all weapons I don't see why not xD
quaint bramble
Well no other weapon has more than one legendary aspect. My opinion of “it can’t” is that the devs would be breaking the formula of the rest of the game just to include an Easter egg that would require a ton of work. Would be interesting to see like a piece of it in a weapon rack or drawn somewhere in art but as a gameplay mechanic it wouldn’t add as much to the game as something like Excalibur.
sage marten
yeah, basically what Symbo said
a small detail here and there referencing previous games is fine to me, an entire gameplay mechanic feels like it's too much
patent topaz
someone thought about a key sequence like the konami code to play with the transistor
sage marten
yeah, that would be better
high island
It's not planned for v1.0. One new aspect is a whole lot of work, and a 5th aspect for every weapon makes 6 new weapons that all need animations, balancing, lore, . . .
alpine yacht
No one is expecting that, not for 1.0 or for 1.9 😄
I would pay good money for such a DLC/Code
"Your special stops time for a short duration" - for example!
Not spammable ofc, like Exca
sage marten
lol that feels too powerful
alpine yacht
For me Exca feels too powerful, but only heat 12 atm
patent topaz
Does it have to be the transistor anyway? Maybe it's too technological to blend in the hades aesthetic, what about something else like... a red's poster painting or the jacket?
alpine yacht
It can really be anything, if it's just a reference in the world
I imagine it should have the red-eye symbol either way
sage marten
imo stopping time is way more powerful than extra hp and hitting like a ton of bricks
especially in a quick paced roguelike like Hades
alpine yacht
Just talking our my a** as this point, I'd use it if only as a skin with some voice-over lines from transistor talking to us.
patent topaz
It would be cool to be able to buy "a famous surface singer from another time"'s painting then look at it and you're like ._. Red
high island
We have new vocals from Eurydice Red. Does that count?
patent topaz
What about a paperboat that you can see sometimes traveling across the river in Euri's room that would be cute regardless of the actual meaning as a transistor easter egg 👀
high island
Transistor is in the past. Don't look back. 
opaque heron
If you think about it, the Exalted 'cores' are pretty similar to the Cells from Transistor
opaque heron
Yeah, the little eyeball things
shy hare
It may just be that I am really bad at the game but when charging the bullrush with the shield the chariot's & bull's charge attacks pass through me even though I have no dodge chance does this happen with anyone else?
short flame
Maintaining the bullrush charge counts as blocking, as long as you're holding up the shield then you don't take damage from that direction
Try it with slower things like projectiles to see it in action
shy hare
The problem was that the bull/chariots weren't colliding at all so they would just run through as if I wasn't there and then be able to hit me from behind
meager oriole
It cant be just me that ignores Bloodstones entirely right
and its not that they arent useful, i just sorta forget they exist until halfway into a run
solid cosmos
then stygian soul's for you
shy hare
Unless I have a build focused around casting I usually ignore them
solid cosmos
boiling (or is it burning?) blood is why i cast, 50% extra damage is no joke
meager oriole
Exalgrpyh or however the hell you spell it is a blast to play around with
but god help me if i pick bow
On a different note, do yall also pick daedalus hammers over Boons?
solid cosmos
if it's a trial or a duo i'm seeking, no
otherwise, yes
but it also depends on the weapon, some weapons really need hammers while others i kinda ignore them
meager oriole
Hmm
Like the sword?, I generally dont see alot of useful upgrades from the hammer for the sword
solid cosmos
i don't play much with the sword, but if for example i've already gotten double edge, the 2nd hammer has no additional value
or if i'm using chaos shield; doesn't need any hammer upgrades at all
though sometimes i pick the hammer only to make it stop appearing in future chambers
meager oriole
so what youre saying is always pick the hammer, got it
even if i already picked up three and definietly dont need another
solid cosmos
meager oriole
oh heres a genuine question, idk if im going crazy but sometimes the Railgun fires an extra long shot?
brisk trail
Are you using the Aspect of Hestia?
meager oriole
nah
dont have all of the aspects yet, and the only one im using is standered or Zag
oh whoops
narrow hemlock
when you start using bloodstones actively you will wonder how you ever forgot them honestly, they are pretty great
brisk trail
Nice.
unreal lance
Hi, I am wondering if it's worth it to level up all the keepsakes, even the ones that you don't really use in runs.
spring lava
I do sometimes in tartarus when I don't feel like aiming for any build in particular
it's nice when you want to shake things up with an unusual build and then already have a keepsake maxed to get it rolling out the door
sharp parcel
@unreal lance if you don't use em, no point going through the trouble
solar trail
Does talking about the weapons count as spoilers
sharp parcel
yeah, it's best left either for #h1-story-discussion if it's lore related or #h1-builds-and-combat if it's mechanics
solar trail
ah good to know, thanks
sage marten
Nice
solar trail
Chew
alpine yacht
Anyone who knows something about how armor works? Do bosses have armor (except hydra spawns)?
Does +dmg to armor makes my initial attack do +dmg to actual health once the armor is reduced. For example - if i deal 1k dmg due to anti-armor buffs and target has 500 armor, he takes 1k dmg still or just 500 + whatever my normal attack would deal?
high island
Bosses don't have armor. There's no armor damage overshoot. If an enemy has 1 point of armor and you do 500 points of damage in one hit, the armor will be gone and they will have full HP.
alpine yacht
You don't get anything from heat levels once cleared right? If I wanna farm I may as well farm on 0?
No extra darkness or anything?
quaint bramble
I believe that’s the case, though it would be cool if you did get slightly more darkness from boss fights the more you increased the heat. But that might unbalance how much you get.
alpine yacht
Yea I think so too
solid cosmos
the wiki says each heat point used to give an increased x% on darkness
idk why they removed it, sounds like a cool incentive to use heat
solid cosmos
is that green thing in artemis' head a hat or her hair?
high island
Hair.
sage marten
hat made out of her hair
quaint bramble
What is hair if not a hat made biologically? 
sage marten
"nice hat"
"thanks i grew it myself"
solid cosmos
thanks for ruining artemis for me
quaint bramble
Not even talking about ||Primordial Chaos|| and the discussion managed to become cursed
sage marten
does chaos even have hair or is it all the same material
i like to imagine all of chaos is made of a rubbery, soft material
alpine stratus
i imagine that they feel like slightly wet clay
solid cosmos
who are those people attached to chaos
sage marten
they're also chaos
alpine stratus
for a moment i thought yoou meant, like, fans hjgvhjfhjfhj
theyre just hanging out :))
sage marten
i like to think chaos takes a more humanoid form when anyone drops by to lessen the impact but part of his actual non form leaks out anyway
alpine stratus
i think theyre in a weird spot between being new spawned creations and Just More Chaos... certainly unripe and not really what youd call people yet and it makes total sense to chaos but its a weird and impossible spot to imagine as a person
solid cosmos
oh so chaos is like the one reborn from bloodborne?
for reference: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/5/57/The_One_Reborn_№8.png/revision/latest?cb=20180407064104
ngl i prefer the form which they present to zag
alpine stratus
chaos: oh i have company??? (grabs a bunch of faces) one of these is right
solid cosmos
"Felt cute, might unleash destruction upon the world later IDK"
quaint bramble
Chaos is simultaneously all of those faces, you just happen to catch them with that one portrait archetype. It’s a schrodinger’s cat situation
sage marten
chaos simultaneously has a face and doesn't until you open the box?
livid cargo
Chaos has good boons until you actually go into a Chaos Gate
quaint bramble
Chaos simultaneously has all faces until you open the gate. And you have their legendary’s prereqs until you accept the boon
willow swallow
When is the next update due?
brisk trail
June.
willow swallow
Damn, wanna play but wanna try and wait for the next update. 😩
brisk trail
Have you played since March?
rugged glacier
Hello world
how can I add a suggestion for a minor feature that doesn't involve a weapon? I checked the #hades-suggestions channel but I saw no example of anything else than suggestions for weapons
sinful saffron
@rugged glacier #hades-feedback would be your best bet!
quaint bramble
Yea, @rugged glacier I would say go to #bot-commands and get the role for early access and then suggest content in the above recommendation, #hades-feedback
rugged glacier
ok
btw, there was one thing I wanted to ask. But it's going to be a long text. Is it ok if I put it here?
P.S.: it's not something from #hades-faq
well, I guess I'll just go ahead, so sry for long text in advance
Is there a way to see how far I got with a weapon against bosses - before you start an escape attempt? (I'm asking because sometimes I forget what weapons I already used to acquire, for example: a diamond, and I wanna complete the hydra with all weapons, but not have to use a weapon that I already used before by accident) ... as far as I know, you can only see this detail when you finish a boss fight, and move on to the next area, where you can see this detail on the map
merry harbor
Once you clear the game, the pre-run menu will show how far you've gotten with each weapon and whether or not you got the rewards from it.
rugged glacier
I'm not sure what the pre-run menu is
merry harbor
Er... The Heat gauge?
If you'vve heard people talking about it. It'll show whether or not you got the rewards from each boss with each weapon before you start an escape attempt.
I haven't slept in like 20 hours, sorry if I'm not the most understandable right now.
rugged glacier
no worries, man
so you mean that this menu itself appears only after you escape once?
tepid root
you have to beat the game once to unlock the "pre run" menu, until you do that your stuck just remembering on your own what weapons you have the items with
yes, if you escape with any weapon you unlock the menu to see all the details
rugged glacier
I see. Thanks for the info, but now I'm curious as to why this is shown only after beating the game
tepid root
it will make more sense after you unlock it, ill just simply say there is a lot more to keep track of at that point so you get a menu to make it easier to see
tepid root
till then it wouldn't be a bad idea to just make a little note saying what you have incase you forget, but that isnt really necessary
rugged glacier
yeah, I guess I'll try that
narrow hemlock
worth noting since this is a roguelite, your first clear isnt technically "beating" the game. i would say your first clear is when the game actually opens up
tepid root
^ this is very true
narrow hemlock
though we'll see how the ending is implemented, i would imagine you would still have to have some minimum amount of clears (though a low number) just to encourage the replayability before you see the ending
alpine yacht
Do the specific boon keepsakes 'reset' after each zone to land another one or its just the rarity left?
narrow hemlock
you only get the effect of guaranteeing that god's appearance once
alpine yacht
I still don't get why Guan Yu's being punished while dealing (maybe?) less damage than Arthur. I get that life-leech is strong but having it on the spin is too much. Anyone got a cool solution?
For me they both feel 'the same' in their damage potential, but Guan is punished and Arthur is rewarded (-50% hp vs +50 total hp) for the slow movement they share.
modern garnet
Life leech is very good
sage marten
yeah, arthur is way better on account of not getting your total hp gimped
alpine yacht
I can even accept guan's punishment if it was -50 hp, let's say, but 50% is mad
I feel there needs to be a change, especially since it seems the spear is the consensus worst weapon overall
Not my personal weakest, but it seems people rank it lower than anything generally
sage marten
yeah, the spear doesn't have that many good moves and the top two aspects are underwhelming at best
achilles and zagreus are the only two good ones
alpine yacht
For my mash-dash and bash builds its fine, compared to the bow that is (that's my weakest atm) - but the slow animation is annoying even then.
Just seems unfair to punish Guan and award Arthur when they are both mad damage dealers. I really hope they make some change next patch cause I love the idea of life-leech but this game punishes really hard for it.
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Oh, and I forgot, it's not -50% its -70% at the baseline. It's madness...
brisk trail
Guan Yu effectively fights at range.
If it didn't nerf HP it would be incredibly overpowered.
quaint bramble
This discussion probably fits in better in #h1-builds-and-combat where ||legendary aspects|| aren’t spoilers. Just tossed my thoughts on it in that thread too.
ivory roost
why can't I post in hades-feedback or suggestions?
I posted it on the steam feedback forum but I have no idea if the devs actually read anything there
so wanted to add it here as well
nm found the pinned msg
alpine yacht
@ivory roost - go to 'bot commands' and look at the pinned message, use the command for early access and then you can do that
ivory roost
yeah i figured it out, ty though
ivory roost
hmmm feedback votes literally offer zero discussion on the topic and seem to favor ppl who have unlimited time to play this vs the average casual gamer
unfortunate
like i've put 45 hours into this and only have heat 3 because i literally do every weapon for the titan blood yet somehow this is acceptable grind even though heat can go soooooooo much higher. Like do you expect ppl to play this for 200 hours?
as the average gamer?
like i guarantee the average gamer will simple give up on the game long before this and long before the storyline dialog and such unlocks so they just miss out on parts of the game
the voting mechanism favors younger votes who don't have jobs and have far more time to devote than the average player to playing this over and over and over
use ur words infinity chamber
actually make an argument
alpine yacht
@ivory roost - I've got 120 runs or so under my belt, let's call it 60 hours. I do every weapon based on the 20% darkness bonus just for the fun of it, and of course the materials (blood/diamonds and so on).
I don't think the grind needs to be easier at all, not because of the amount of time I got - but because you need reasons to keep playing this, beyond just the fun factor.
If you wanna play this game casually, once it's finished at least, you should get a decent ending after one clear, or maybe 10 for more in-depth dialogues, but if you wanna play this on and on there should be an incentive to keep playing - like raising heat 1 by 1 and getting more materials for that slow and steady work.
ivory roost
The heat level can literally go to what 40+ you're talking hundreds of hours
alpine yacht
You only need 32 to get all the blood, from what I can tell
ivory roost
but for literally 6 weapons each
alpine yacht
that's 200 clears, all weapons
ivory roost
your still taking hyundres of hours
alpine yacht
Yea...where's the issue?
ivory roost
.....
alpine yacht
Why do you want it to be quicker?
Why do you need the blood if you don't intend to keep playing for hundreds of hours?
ivory roost
because the majority of gamors who have jobs literalyl will not give the game that time
granite ether
just because a game has hundrends of hours of content doesn't mean it's a bad thing, no one game will cater to absolutely everyone
ivory roost
and the game itself literally has nothing worth devoting that amount of repalys rtowardes it at the moment
alpine yacht
If you just want to give the game a short while, do that...get the story finished and move on with your life.
If the game is not worth replaying why do you care for the blood?
sage marten
Hey i have a job and i will probably give it as much time if i feel like it, no one’s forcing you to play it in one sitting
granite ether
if you look at other games in the same genre you'll find very similar things going on. Binding of Isaac has hundrends of items to unlock and hundrends of achievments with almost endless playtime
but that doesn't resonate with everyone
alpine yacht
@ivory roost - if all you want is to have fun, raise the heat to 40 and who cares for the rewards? If you want the blood it tells me you wanna keep playing and trying out various weapons.
ivory roost
whatever, I'm not gonna argue with you about it, this is my personal opinoin regarding the game, if you disagree fine
but like the repetition with literally no additional content
alpine yacht
It's not an argument, you raised a valid suggestion, and then asked for feedback on your suggestion
ivory roost
like why
ivory roost
and yet there is additoinal content to the game, but the content is hiddeen behind a wall of a hundred hours of repetative gameplay
like
why
alpine yacht
What content do you care about?
ivory roost
are you saying you don't want additoinal areas/mobs/bosses?
alpine yacht
If you wanna explore the lore 100% I think the RNG factor is rather heavy indeed, maybe they can get it sorted once we have an actual ending
If you wanna try out all the weapons and their aspects I'd much rather have a reset button like the mirror-reset on them
ivory roost
are you saying you feel that replaying literally the same areas 100x times is needed to get the unlocks?
sage marten
Man i hope you never play anything more complex than tetris then because you described half the games out there
It’s not repetitive repetitive although i admit it can be a bit of a slog until you unlock the Pact, which adds more variety to the gameplay
alpine yacht
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Of course I want MORE of the game I enjoy playing...but they are a small studio
ivory roost
like what is it you are arguing?
brisk trail
Hey, man, it sounds like roguelites just aren't the game for you.
void vigil
supergiant read every bit of feedback and ultimately have the final say on what changes to implement in the game, the votes are just a way to see what the community thinks - discussions on the game can happen in this channel. There are new boons, aspects, items and enemies coming in the next update, supergiant has already announced so in their trailer and roadmap
ivory roost
no i'm just saying that expecting the average gamer to play for 200 hours to get stuff is silly
alpine yacht
What is it YOU arguing for? You just want free upgrades without slowly working your way towards them? I mean...who cares for the blood if you don't wanna replay 100 more times
granite ether
what exactly do you mean by "average gamer"
alpine yacht
I'm arguing for longevity and reasons to keep playing
sage marten
The Pact adds extra patterns to bosses, extra mechanics to enemies and/or the game, etc
Also hundreds of hours is a stretch imo
alpine yacht
No one needs 200 hours to get stuff...you can finish the game in like 10 runs and go on your merry way
sage marten
Also you’re talking about an Early Access game, why are you surprised it’s currently barebones around certain areas
brisk trail
The pact is a brilliant way to add variable difficulty.
alpine yacht
Feedback is awesome, but if you want free exploration of all the game content I think there are better ways than the heat solution
I'd take a weapon-blood reset button over your suggestion
ivory roost
i'm not sure what that means
ivory roost
how does that help the time spent?
stable dagger
I think this all boils down to the fact that this is a rougelike
its meant to be played over and over and over again
ivory roost
not everyone has 200+ hours to spend on the game
void vigil
you could definitely put that in feedback if it’s not there already, godling
alpine yacht
You wanted the heat to give you rewards even if you raise it by 10...I'm saying you don't need that if you get to try out all the aspects without raising heat much
ivory roost
no, i literally said the ooposite
granite ether
I think it's been mentioned before Alma, unless I'm misremembering
alpine yacht
You can jump 2-3
ivory roost
no you can't
alpine yacht
Just not get extra rewards
ivory roost
exactly
alpine yacht
If you care for the reward, then the reset of blood spent fixes that
ivory roost
no it doesn't
ivory roost
it makes you spend just as many runs
sage marten
That’s likely to avoid people exploiting the Pact for extra rewards
ivory roost
the pint of my suggestion is it halves or 1/'3 the total bumber of runs you need to do
stable dagger
have you ever played a rougelike before?
alpine yacht
If you can get all the blood spent after each run, @ivory roost, it means you can try a new weapon without farming the blood even if you go to 40 heat after killing Hades once
ivory roost
Like even with my suggestion, you can still literally play this game for 200 hours
alpine yacht
You can always play a game for 200 hours
ivory roost
again most gamers don't have the time to play this over 200 hours
alpine yacht
Your only problem, at the moment, is that you can't explore all the game content right?
animus
stable dagger
thats the point
ivory roost
you literally do
stable dagger
have you played the binding of isaac?
alpine yacht
Why do you keep playing if you don't like the game?
ivory roost
to unlock the ned game content
void vigil
hades was indeed designed to be very replayable and have a lot of content, but I don’t see that as a downside
alpine yacht
What content?
ivory roost
you hav eto play this ove rand ove rand over even when its not even challenging
alpine yacht
THAT'S WHAT I SAID rofl
Your only problem, at the moment, is that you can't explore all the game content right?
@alpine yacht - read
stable dagger
its supposed to be a time sink game
ivory roost
why would you design a game that is just a time sink
alpine yacht
So if you could explore all the content after clearing the game once...that would be fine by you @ivory roost ?
ivory roost
no
stable dagger
so you can get enjoyment for a long time
ivory roost
that's literally not what im saying godling
brisk trail
Again, this just sounds like it's not the game for you, man.
ivory roost
why do you lie like that
alpine yacht
Man you are as incoherent as they come
alpine yacht
Yea...that I am
ivory roost
I guess so
stable dagger
most of the actual large amounts of content can be unlocked through like 40 hours max
granite ether
please stop with the personal insults, it's rude for starters
and not relevent to the discussion
stable dagger
but for people who play a lot its nice to have at least something to work towards
ivory roost
I don't like ppl intentionally ignoring what im saying and yusing strawmen
I don't thin kthe game should be won instantly
stable dagger
like the very expensive mirror upgrades
ivory roost
not at all
alpine yacht
@ivory roost - you said the game is repetitive, and you wanna unlock all the content...for that you don't need your solution but rather any solution that allows you to unlock other weapons without farming the game for 100+ hours
ivory roost
Literally my suggestion of allowing heat levels to be jumped by 2-3 and gaining the rewards
just takes the game from 300 hours to 100
alpine yacht
Or...maybe....anything that allows you to use other aspects without farming blood
stable dagger
getting everything is meant to take a long time
so people who have been playing for many updates still have something to work towards
the game does not work if there are no incentives
ivory roost
again, having to do every heat for every weapon is too much, thats' literally all im saying
alpine yacht
Unlocking everything AT ONCE should take a long time, I the devs can allow us to refund blood spent so we can test all the aspects without farming
ivory roost
its painfully slow and unnecesary
brisk trail
That is a matter of opinion.
alpine yacht
Very much so
alpine yacht
Not as many as you'd like given your original post here
ivory roost
whatever
alpine yacht
Anyhow
ivory roost
it's a crutch for a lack of content
alpine yacht
If you were given the option to use any aspect fully loaded that should solve the problem, if you could reset the blood spent like you do with darkness spent it can fix it
alpine yacht
never said it is
alpine yacht
You can finish this game in 10 hours or less
ivory roost
no you can't
alpine yacht
You can...once the game is finished
alpine yacht
You just can't unlock all the extra content
ivory roost
you can't explore a good portion of the game by that time, but after what 30 hours
its just repetative
and a grind
alpine yacht
You can level in any MMO within a few days...but if you enjoy the game you'll play it for years
alpine yacht
Is it the story portions that bother you, or the blood?
ivory roost
both
sage marten
artificial grind
Are you really that angry about actually having to play the game?
brisk trail
We can only say so many times that the game's full content is intended to be explored over a very long period of time.
alpine yacht
I don't know if there's a good solution for the story RNG
brisk trail
This is not a game for everyone.
alpine yacht
No game is for everyone that's for sure
ivory roost
I don't like the artificial grind to get additional story and addition blood
alpine yacht
I like how this game is managed, because I enjoy the gameplay loop
novel wasp
@ivory roost try playing this game without the concern of progress helps
brisk trail
The story and character work unfolds over those runs.
novel wasp
so that it will feel better if you reach those
brisk trail
The gameplay loop is extremely fun to me. I gladly put in the time.
void vigil
Rewards stop at 20, if I recall correctly
stable dagger
I agree that the story is kind of frustrating
ivory roost
the thing is the story unfolds sooooo slowly and same for blood
novel wasp
i dont like grinding either, but i just played because i wanna experiment with stupid builds
brisk trail
They do.
ivory roost
its artificial slow
alpine yacht
I play this game for 1-2 hours, then take a break, come back for another hour or two if I got time. I can stop playing for a week, or a month (if needed) and come back to enjoy the run again.
ivory roost
it makes you do tons of runs over runs over runs
alpine yacht
I've yet to have the same run twice
brisk trail
Agree to disagree.
novel wasp
have you considered, try different things to spice things up
alpine yacht
Well, immortality has a price!
novel wasp
especially when you have 6 different weapons
ivory roost
and the levels, mods, bosses are so limited
sage marten
And different boon builds you can try screwing around with
novel wasp
^
ivory roost
I've done that
alpine yacht
6 weapons, 20 aspects total, 6 boon-able gods
stable dagger
@ivory roost I think you just have to accept that this type of format is not something you enjoy, but im sure everyone can agree that maybe adding a faster mode for the game like turbo mode in gungeon would be neat
ivory roost
literally
alpine yacht
So many variations
void vigil
if the game is too easy for you and you beat the game every time, you can up the heat more than one level every time. You won’t gain rewards faster but you will still earn them as you clear the rewards
brisk trail
8 Olympians.
stable dagger
then what is the point of continuing here
alpine yacht
And we're here to discuss that suggestion ❤️
ivory roost
To improve the game?
can I not believe its a good game, but that improvement can be made?
stable dagger
this has gone nowhere in like 20 minutes
alpine yacht
Nowhere for this to go sadly
stable dagger
so I say we just chill out
novel wasp
well lets discuss gyros
stable dagger
I second that
ivory roost
again I think the game is good, it has a very good base for the game, but I do think there are improvements to be made
novel wasp
or what i like to call before knowing them
Greek subway sandwich
Subway Sandwich from 800 BCE
void vigil
I hate to be the one to tell you all to discuss food in #off-topic-discussion 
void vigil
There’s falafels in hades? I thought they were in ffxiv
novel wasp
also demeter makes some good gyros
You are confusing falafels with lalafel
Alma children people are not for eatin
void vigil
yes it was my extremely funny joke
now die
brisk trail
Tough crowd.
novel wasp
bury the joke with you
steady lantern
I don't see how having to do heat for each weapon is a bad thing, it "force" you to actually try to use all weapons and not just stick with one and unlock everything in the game
steady lantern
I mean, Im just curious
novel wasp
or do i have to post james charles chaos so you guys can stop
alpine yacht
YOU DONE DID IT CAEL
ivory roost
Maybe not for few heats, but after a while it's just a grind. Fruther as far as story most of the gods/oether npcs are all stuck at a time delay and maxed out on nectar
granite ether
the discussion is done, please move it on ^_^
ivory roost
why after 45 hours of gameplay am I stuck on npc's being on a time delay?
void vigil
there’s lots of story content coming once the game is out of early access! Perhaps pick the game out again once it’s finished?
steady lantern
I'd rather have that than a rogue-lite I've seen everything of after 20h and then it's just the gameplay loop and nothing else
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ivory roost
I don't feel thats a suitable answer
novel wasp
...
ivory roost
I have 45 hours and haven't even been able to use the super ambrosia yet
and literally can't us ethem
steady lantern
Uh uh
ivory roost
it won't let me
sage marten
How? I have way less hours and i ambrosia’d the hell out of dusa
void vigil
yeah, that’s ambrosia. the small bottles are nectar
steady lantern
There is no super ambrosia
sage marten
Ambrosia is the big bottle
The small one is nectar
ivory roost
well it literally will not let me use it
sage marten
Yes
ivory roost
every single npc is locked behind a time delay
ivory roost
i can't use nectar, i can't use ambrosia
novel wasp
fine, have at thee
steady lantern
I have defo less than 45h and my skelly is fully maxxed, idk
brisk trail
Do you have the most recent version of the game?
ivory roost
yes
steady lantern
Lol, nice one Fade
sage marten
That’s because you need a specific value to give it to certain NPCs
The ones with timers are a case of “game’s in early access so it’s not in yet”
ivory roost
so every single npc
sage marten
No
steady lantern
No
patent topaz
@patent topaz i hath to pull out the magnum opus
@novel wasp We're such proud parents
novel wasp
@patent topaz they cant stop the curse pandemic
stable dagger
I had no idea that james charles edit existed
my life was so much better 5 seconds ago
steady lantern
Some are behind a timer, some behind a lock
sage marten
You can ambrosia the olympians, orpheus and eurydice, Sysypheus both romanceable characters and i believe i’m forgetting someone
sage marten
Oh yeah and dusa
steady lantern
Skelly
ivory roost
again I can't
novel wasp
sisy is not a romanceable character afik
ivory roost
every single one is behind a lock
sage marten
Then talk to them
ivory roost
I have
steady lantern
Locked one are event based iirc
ivory roost
it tells me there is no more talk convos
sage marten
Or check your table of prophecies
void vigil
You do indeed just need to keep talking to characters behind a lock, which is RNG - eventually you will be able to gift them ambrosia
sage marten
I imagine you didn’t notice certain convos unlocked prophecies didn’t you
ivory roost
the game literally says no more talk convos and will not let me give them addtional nectar
stable dagger
what does their relationship show in the codex
sage marten
Check what i said about prophecies
sage marten
I already told you the timer means it’s not in yet
steady lantern
Not all of them have timers
steady lantern
Gn !
stable dagger
gn
sage marten
The lock means you gotta do a specific prophecy to be able to ambrosia them
novel wasp
does this stop you from arguing? if so then Im glad
sage marten
You still haven’t added the knife
For shame
patent topaz
you meant EwE
ivory roost
ok then, again 45 hours and I always take prophecy options when they are presented
sage marten
We do if it doesn’t devolve into circular inane arguments
void vigil
are characters like Megaera also behind a timer, or behind a lock?
stable dagger
lock
ivory roost
This game is not remotely casual gamer friendly
steady lantern
Sure, I don't agree with him, but it still interest me why he thinks what he is saying
sage marten
dip we’re trying to see if they have an outdated versio
novel wasp
also if you are uncontent of the game's lack of content, taking a break can help you sooth your mind
stable dagger
im dumb sorry lol
novel wasp
why dont you guys just ask them whats their version number
sage marten
Also the fact that you can’t play the game somehow it doesn’t mean it’s not friendly
novel wasp
instead of doing this investigation stuff
novel wasp
whats the name of the latest update
ivory roost
.27191
novel wasp
thanks
you could literally just say that instead of 3 lines of complaining if you wish to be helped
do note that these people are tryna help you, for nothing i might add
so be at least grateful
ivory roost
For sure, but like steam auto updates to latest version, has nothing to do with version
ty though for trying to help
appreciated
even those I may disagree with 🙂
ultimately we can all agree we just want this game to be the best i can be
we all have that in common
alpine yacht
@ivory roost - if you still can't give the big-ambrosia bottles to Dusa (specifically) you should look at the prophecy list in Zag's room. There's a condition to progress some characters. With Dusa and others it will show in the prophecy-list.
For Meg it is quite random, but should be unlockable eventually if you gave her all the small-nectar bottles
ivory roost
Ok ty Godling, I'll look more closely at the prophesy list and see what I must be missing
alpine yacht
Some require you to buy things in the house, like rugs and stuff 😄
ivory roost
I assumed that was pursely cosmetic, didn't know it affected other things like that. Thanks for the info!
alpine yacht
Also...biggest help - check the wiki
steady lantern
Assuming that cosmetics aren't the most important thing in the game
alpine yacht
Go to the characters you wanna progress and look what's required
steady lantern
ivory roost
I mean nothing in the game itself indicates otherwise
marble sphinx
oh yeah speaking of which, alternate outfits for zag when
sage marten
Yeah, one of the specific prophecies requires you to buy an obscene amount of furniture for one of the rooms
Never it’s 2complicated since he game doesn’t use 3d models proper
steady lantern
Knight skin when you use Arthur aspect
sage marten
TLDR anyway
marble sphinx
it doesn't? i thought the actual models were 3d but not the portraits
sage marten
Not exactlt
brisk trail
Alternate outfits aren't happening.
sage marten
Hold on lemme find the thread
marble sphinx
i mean making new sets of portraits for each outfit would be a crazy amount of work
alpine yacht
True 😦
I'd be happy enough if we had different enemy-skins for their different biomes and abilities
That's work enough
Can't wait for the full release!
steady lantern
I wonder... do you guys think || Hades || will still be the final boss in the "final" version ?
sage marten
marble sphinx
oh, huh
alpine yacht
@steady lantern - I feel he will be...but I can see some other boss depending on where exactly the story goes
marble sphinx
yeah that's unfeasible then, sad
brisk trail
The identity of the final boss is considered and spoiler and should be tagged as such outside of #h1-story-discussion and #h1-builds-and-combat , please.
Whether or not it's obvious, it's just common courtesy.
steady lantern
Oh my bad
sage marten
I don’t remember how the model deal went but i think it was false 3d
steady lantern
I'll be more careful c:
narrow hemlock
lord almighty what happened here over the past hours
alpine yacht
Don't ask, plz
marble sphinx
yeah they're sprites i guess?
narrow hemlock
That person literally got replies from me and lifetake on the steam forum and chose to come here to start an argument rather than reply to us huh
marble sphinx
are the enemies also 2d? they don't look it at all
sage marten
@narrow hemlock guy being stubborn about not knowing how to progress/not having patience
I dunno, that’s a good question
narrow hemlock
It depends on the character prob cause I know cerb is rigged
alpine yacht
CERB IS NO ENEMY!
granite ether
the discussion is done, no need to bring it up again please and ty 
narrow hemlock
I said character
marble sphinx
some characters like theseus i can see being 2d like zag
sage marten
I assume they work like Zagreus?
narrow hemlock
character does not necessarily equate to enemy
marble sphinx
still, i'm curious why they went with this system rather than a 3d rendering one, considering the end result is something that just looks like 3d
sage marten
Since the thread says the engine has no real 3d rendering proper
narrow hemlock
It's the engine they're working with
marble sphinx
oh yeah, nowhere in the engine huh
alpine yacht
It is very odd to see foggy-sprites next to quality art
But it works unless you focus on it, so I like it
narrow hemlock
it's really hard to say one way or the other unless you get an answer from someone off the team. like we have the explanation of how zag's animations work but I'm not sure all the characters in the game work the same way. like, I can't say obviously they do or they don't no matter how I perceive it bc I don't know how the engine works lmao
skimmed back through qa for something specific but there is some 3d rendering of some sort that goes on with certain characters
Just not zag
alpine yacht
I wonder if recolored skin would be too hard, wouldn't mind some new 'trims' like the curtains but on Zag.
So minor though, compared to other stuff
narrow hemlock
@alpine yacht the previous steam forum link about alt costumes answers the question about recoloured skins
the simple answer is there is already a huge amount of work that goes into zagreus and the weapon aspects, that alternate looks for him would massively compound the work that is done
alpine yacht
For me anything to get this game done ASAP is good, anything cosmetic is just bonus 🙂
sage marten
I assume that it’d be less work than an entire skin but it’d still bloat the game
narrow hemlock
Most likely
Because you would still need entire frame sets just for a different colour
alpine yacht
Would like to see the modding scene grow though, hope SGG will give their approval
Once I'm actually done grinding I wanna see what the modders did
narrow hemlock
I think they're at least aware there is a small modding community? I've never checked into it though
ivory roost
I think it would be interesting if for the final version the various olympic gods were the ultimate boss battle
alpine yacht
Yea it was posted here somewhere, so I imagine it's approved
ivory roost
like after zag gets above ground he has to fight one of them
alpine yacht
@ivory roost I wouldn't be too surprised if that was the case
narrow hemlock
I don't think there's any new bosses planned though. Not heard any hints at least
there was talk in last qa about possibly adding mechanics to existing ones but that's it
alpine yacht
I don't expect more bosses, but wouldn't mind ofc
Oh yea I expect the last boss should have a heat-option 😄
I really hope so
narrow hemlock
em hydra just becomes literal floor is lava and you have no safe ground at all 🤧
ivory roost
it would certainly be a nice surprise to have like one of the main olympian gods like zeus or posiden to be a final boss
alpine yacht
I hate hydra's new room QQ
But it's a good change
It's an actual challenge for people like me
narrow hemlock
the challenge in em hydra is not dashing into lava like an idiot. it's me. I'm the idiot
alpine yacht
@ivory roost - did you give nectar to all the olympian gods? like 5 or so each
ivory roost
and you can't actually attack it sometimes
pretty much, there are some I still need to give, but most are maxed atm and awaiting some timer
ivory roost
yeah it's probably prophecy related
alpine yacht
No no!
ivory roost
since you mentioned it
narrow hemlock
only zeus, artemis and aphrodite can be maxed atm but aphrodite is also broken for a lot of people
sage marten
Yeah, fighting the Olympians even if it were as an extra boss would be neat
narrow hemlock
if I don't get maxed ares next month I might go insane
ivory roost
I usually use the gold/chaos/skelly artifacts
alpine yacht
Imagine if the heat-option for the last boss adds an olympian add with him?
Buhahaha
ivory roost
so I haven't gotten the prophecy related to the other artifacts
thats might be my problem
sage marten
Nah, too unlikely
The final boss loathes the olympians
ivory roost
Well the olypians helping you was always kinda odd... like they seemed to be in it for themselves
so if they learned it wasn';t to their benefit
thye might turn on you
narrow hemlock
I mean that is greek gods in general
alpine yacht
Oh they all seem to be in it for themselves, even Athena and she's the 'nicest'
But of course, Aphrodite just loves us ❤️
As she does
sage marten
They are mostly helping you because Zagreus lied to them about wanting to flee to Olympus
ivory roost
I mean you can see how quickyl tyhey turn on you in the rooms where you have to choose between two olympians
sage marten
Except Ares, i think he’s just in for the carnage
narrow hemlock
nyx is the one who reached out to the olympians, not zag
alpine yacht
It costs them nothing anyway, they like meddling in mortals' and godling's matters, as seen in the mythology
sage marten
Yes, but the whole thing comes from Zag deceiving them about wanting to go to Olympus even if Nyx was the intermediary
narrow hemlock
@sage marten were you in spoilers when I pointed out that one ares epithet about him not having loyalty to any one side but rather the struggle itself, that is pretty much this rendition of ares
ivory roost
I don't get why they care so much about him doing that anyways
like there are lots of children of the gods
sage marten
Namely because he’s one of their close relatives they just noticed he existed
They all have different motivations as to why even if their end goal for helping Zagreus is mostly the same
also to justify the gameplay mechanics
ivory roost
yeah its basically a story pusher lol
narrow hemlock
also like. Zag literally can't talk to the olympians. This is established lore, he can hear them, they can't hear him. He can't explain himself to them anyway, so he hasn't lied
solar trail
wait a sec is this spoilerino
narrow hemlock
No this is lore established right at the start of the game
we can move to spoilers tho, shrug
alpine yacht
The olympians all behave as I'd imagine they would, maybe Artemis is the odd anime-tsundere but otherwise they all seem to fit their general mythos
sage marten
there are several lines about Zag deceiving them being playing with fire ingame, from context the original message as delivered to Athena was him wanting to get out to go to Olympus
Either that or that’s what the Olympians understood and Zagreus hasn’t explained out of convenience but the lines are there
alpine yacht
What you said is true Beaitiful
sage marten
I know, i am indeed Beautiful
solar trail
Wheres the lore of artemis hating Zag because he is a male >:(
narrow hemlock
What do you feasibly expect zag to do though? Render nyx's outreach moot by turning down the olympians because he can't properly explain the situation to them, and have them feel scorned in doing so? He doesn't really have a choice but to accept their help and deal with the consequences later
solar trail
Percy Jackson lied to me >:(
sage marten
I’m not saying it might be otherwise, but you can’t say lying to the olympians by omission is a good idea
narrow hemlock
I never said it was? I'm pointing out he literally has no choice in the matter. he either pisses them off by denying their help, or he pisses them off later when they find out what's going on
narrow hemlock
For all we know maybe not all of them will be angry anyway. But denying their aid after nyx reached out to them would scorn them
solar trail
isnt refusing a god's gift kinda bad idea
sage marten
Reaching out to the Olympians wasn’t exactly the best of ideas either way, especially when your house already had a strained relationship with them and your shenanigans will likely not do much to help with that
narrow hemlock
the gods did not take kindly to being rejected, no lol
sage marten
Aye
narrow hemlock
zag is pretty much stuck between multiple varying rocks and hard places
alpine yacht
I mean, Zag is just a teenager going through a phase, he'll stay home at the end I bet
solar trail
he just baby
sage marten
Yes but even then Zag hasn’t taken exactly the best of choices on how to go on about it
He grabbed the forbidden, malevolent weapons and deceived the olympians into helping him break out of the underworld to find out about his mother
While i can understand why he did it, also not complaining about the ichor drinking weapons because that’s cool mind you his entire plan is comprised by rash, haphzard decisions that will probably bite him in the ass sooner or later
Hell, a better way to go on about it would have been to do a kneejerk to Hades for the time being and pretend you’re interested in something like assisting Thanatos or Charon in their duties, anything that could safely get you closer to the temple of styx in a more sneaky way but then again we wouldn’t have a game otherwise
Like
It makes for an entertaining game not gonna deny that but his plan sucks
narrow hemlock
in all fairness the malevolent weapons were basically handed to him and mostly everyone just went 'oh cool!' And went about their business, so idk what you expect him to infer from that
looking at the events from our point of view and looking at it from the characters' point of view are two vastly different things
sage marten
Yeah i’ve always found everyone’s (especially Hades’) reactions to the literal god killing weapons pretty weak sometimes
narrow hemlock
I mean they're all immortal so they're not gonna react like you or I would
sage marten
Yes but those are the weapons that were made to literally kill immortal beings and that feed on inmortal’s blood
I’d always assumed that people would be a bit more concerned about those
narrow hemlock
I mean hades started his life being eaten by his father, I'm sure malevolent weapons is like maybe on his list of top 5 wild things he's dealt with
I just find trying to do all this armchair psychology on gods a bit silly because it's not meant to be rational
And we don't know what was going on between zag and his father other than what bits and pieces the game decides to tell us
we don't have the full picture
anywho it's like 5 in the morning and I really need to drop 🤧
sage marten
no, i'm generally going by what i can see from the dialogues and codex entries mind you
aight, cya
solar trail
gn
stable dagger
yeah the weapons seeming intelligent and consuming the blood of the ancients always concerned me quite a bit
and the time shenanigans with some of the weapons
sage marten
how dare you call it armchair psychology, i'm not in an armchair
i'll have you know i'm in a very comfortable bed right now
ashen sphinx
neat
alpine yacht
Who's responsible for the wiki? Do they need help?
stable dagger
fake fan
sage marten
good thing i never claimed to be an aphrodite simp then
high island
You're a bad person. 🗡️
novel wasp
aphro simp
sage marten
My shriveled black heart knows no place for love, especially aphrodite’s
quaint bramble
Alexa play the Grinch theme song and then “From Olympus” off the Hades soundtrack
versed saddle
all that keeps me going is the promise of some sweet aphrodite nooch when I get to olympus
stable dagger
we can only hope for that now that artemis has crushed my dreams
merry harbor
tbh resisting Aphrodite's sphere of influence is hard for most and I commend you for trying
sage marten
It is also unadvisable since some dude got cursed because him not wanting to fall in love made aphrodite salty
merry harbor
Well yeah, but still, it's the thought that counts.
gusty spoke
the complete game is translated into Spanish? or not yet.
I look forward to the game in Spanish
novel wasp
sombrero artemis
sage marten
el sombrero de cabello
brave thicket
hair hat?
brave thicket
no i just google translated that
the only lore of artemis i remember is the ritual of young girls in brauron dedicated to her
cunning glacier
imagine u kill hades using a call 😮 i think that will be p cool
its like they are fighting each other. well kinda
patent topaz
He would be so pissed i wouldn't advise you or anyone to do that lol
heavy parrot
i think the biggest power play would be to kill him with doom
spring lava
I once killed him and he dropped food
it fell right in front of his face. Lord Food
kill him with bouldy
versed saddle
I killed Hades with Demeter's call one time, can't recall if he had a different death speech or not though.
I LOVE his reaction when you first drop bouldy on him
"What the-!"
@spring lava I've turned all 3 furies and Theseus into sandwiches, haven't yet turned Hades into a sandwich, though it is an ambition.
quaint bramble
Identity of the final boss is a spoiler here I think. I don’t believe there’s any unique dialogue for it, most bosses just reference the god when you use a greater call.
heavy parrot
The dream is to turn the minotaur into a sandwich when he dies first so you can make Theseus watch you eat his friend
gusty spoke
Everyone here in Latin America is waiting for the game to be translated into Spanish because we don't all know English and we want to understand the story of each character and the main story of Hades.
patent topaz
It is localized in Spanish but it might still be a bit meh since the game is still not finished
If you find some translation errors you can provide feedback in the localization channel!
serene obsidian
@ivory roost in response to your feedback about the Titan blood grind and heat levels.....there are a few ways to get Titan blood outside of the heat rewards ..... achievements, trading up on materials at the vendor in the lounge, and Chiron always sells either a blood or diamond in the temple.....I do "farm runs" which also can be quite challenging, where I grab mostly resources and coins to be able to buy the prize at the end.
As for players not wanting to do the grind......as far as rogue like/roguelites go.......Hades is on the low end of grinding so I think it's very accessible imo
proper terrace
boa tarde eu gostaria de saber pq a borboleta perfurada não funciona na ultima fase?? pq tipo em todas ela funciona mas lá não... Qual o problema??
scenic glade
oh boy.
Erebus is a pain with benefits package
because if you get even one Fast Numbskull, RIP
brisk trail
...Can ||Super Elite|| Longbows get Homing?
Did I just singlehandedly ruin Benefits Package? 
sage marten
Only one way to find out
Also speaking of benefits package, i love when flaming wheels get teleportation because they teleport away from you half the time
worthy egret
Onionbus
scenic glade
Elite Spreaders can get Homing. I hate it.
scenic glade
On the subject of grind, I'm really glad they added that Mirror upgrade that gives you a better chance of getting Duo boons
but I'm still having the darndest time trying to get the last two!
Scintillating Feast and Blizzard Shot
mortal palm
ngl benefits package is already one of my least favorite heat things
...that I turn on every time because it's just annoying I guess.
quaint bramble
I actually have come to like it a bit, makes elites actually feel special instead of just armored, like champions in Binding of Isaac. Though when every enemy in the room is an elite it’s less fun lol
narrow hemlock
benefits package s simultaneously one of the best and worst things you can do with enemies. it really spices them up and makes a run more interesting but at the same time sometimes you get enemy and benefit combinations that are a complete nightmare to deal with
i foresee more tweaking and balancing done with it by next patch
vast junco
agreed
it's a fantastic direction while the execution could use a little tweaking for sure
quaint bramble
Yeah I bet there will be some rules for which benefits are banned/nerfed for certain enemies and which room combinations will be tweaked
Love the design space though, annoying though it is, stuff like the teleportation and laser animations are gorgeous
novel wasp
haha teleporting cloning flamewheels go meow
tropic panther
any word on if there will be more stuff add to buy in the contractor?
sage marten
i wouldn't discard any quest related additions later down the road
brisk trail
Flamewheels would always teleport right out of my attack to "Nothing personnel, kid" me.
One time they were Teleporting Vortex Flamewheels, and they teleported close enough to catch me in their event horizon.
wind nest
@tropic panther next update is in a month. Says so on the title screen
narrow hemlock
they asked if there would be more stuff to buy, not when the next update is
wind nest
Oh. Next update should probably do that too though right? Lol
narrow hemlock
theres a lot of stuff to purchase as it is, i dont really see devs adding a substantial amount to whats already there
some more items isnt out of the realm of possibilities but i wouldnt count on like a huge update for that or anything
novel wasp
next patch: Capitalism Wins
quaint bramble
The next patch is supposed to have enemies, boons and well of Charon items, right? I thought it had somewhat focused on stuff to buy.
From the contractor it’s hard to be sure but there will def be more quest items to buy out since not all the storylines are finished
novel wasp
Next Patch: Charon now operates Wallmart
quaint bramble
Hellmart
brisk trail
He'd be a better owner than the ones it has now.
quaint bramble
He’s likely to make a boatload of cash off it though
sage marten
Hellmart
So regular walmart then
quaint bramble
Yes but with less customers filling up the place
solid cosmos
i've played transistor way back in 2015, and just finished pyre this weekend... and analysing the ending of both of these games, i wonder, will hades have a super bittersweet ending like both of those games?
is hades gonna make me cry like a little baby, like the other SGG games?
narrow hemlock
devs have already confirmed (through qa iirc?) that hades is supposed to have a happier ending.
flat vapor
confirmed that the devs want a lighter game tone-wise
narrow hemlock
but they never said happy ending. just that it wouldnt be the usual fare
flat vapor
so not extremely bittersweet like the rest, but i assume some tears will be in order
solid cosmos
that's good, but a happier ending doesn't reassure me that much lol
narrow hemlock
honestly can you really have an sgg title without a heart wrenching ending of some kind 😂
solid cosmos
idk why but pyre's ending seemed sadder than transistor's for me
maybe i had a few years to get over transistor and pyre is still fresh in my mind
imagine if darren makes a dynamic credits song depending on which gods you took each run 
burnt tiger
Trying to up my relation with meg, but for like the past 5 runs she's either not around or I have to listen to her convo and can't gift. Very frustrating.
I just want to give her love.
wind nest
Hey everyone I just released my first mod. It makes the god keepsakes really super strong, and makes them roll up on every reward. https://www.nexusmods.com/hades/mods/31
Please message me if you have any issues with it
solar trail
Anyone get that meagara visual bug when she just vibrates violently up and down during her fight
covert current
meagara is jus vibrating hehe xd
novel wasp
Coolio
solar trail
She just vibin' bro
sage marten
I got that but with tisiphone during EM Megaera
She just floated up in the air while me and her sister beat the tar out of eachother
alpine yacht
Why can't I get 'Scion of Chaos' as a title after finishing a run? I think I had 4 of her boons now...
I end up getting the same old olympus caller
brave thicket
her?
nimble ocean
honestly can you really have an sgg title without a heart wrenching ending of some kind 😂
my friend cried for a couple of days after finishing Pyre. she is sgg fan since then.
goodness, final boss unredacted in #h1-discussion .. the end is near
solar trail
Yo heni Meggy-chan be vibin' bro
sage marten
🇫
ancient frost
how many blood is needed to invest in aspects to unlock guan yu ?
livid cargo
i think you need to have like, a few of them unlocked
ancient frost
i have invested 6 blood in the spear and unlocked the achilles and hades aspect, but even after a short dialogue about past owners, nothing about guan yu showed
heavy parrot
I spent 1 blood on Achilles aspect and unlocked guan yu
so i dont think its blood-locked
just talk to achilled and use the spear a bunch maybe? idk
Achilles was like "tell it a thing" and then when i went to look at the aspects zag said the thing and it unlocked
sage marten
I think you gotta make it to the outside world with the spear and speak to Achilles, don’t think you have to win the final battle since i unlocked Guan Yu before my first complete run
Achilles aspect is very likely a requirement
ancient frost
thanks for the tips! gonna make a couple more runs with the spear.
sage marten
don't forget to speak to achilles
ancient frost
yup
narrow hemlock
guan yu does not have a titan blood requirement to unlock like excalibur does. iirc you need a minimum amount of different hammer upgrades
sage marten
really? what are the actual requirements?
narrow hemlock
just edited
narrow hemlock
||the unlock conditions listed in the script are different for guan yu and arthur, arthur is listed as requiring titan blood, guan yu only says upgrades||
crisp token
Got Curse of Longing and Merciful End together. Big sad doesn't work.
sick laurel
does anyone know how to get the fully loaded legendary boon from artemis cause i keep doing runs and havent had any luck and i want to make sure im getting the right boons
sage marten
each god has a map on the wiki showing which boons require what, so you could always check there
don't really remember fully loaded's requirements atm
narrow hemlock
considering how many people ask about legendaries/duos, i do hope something gets implemented ingame to make these easier. like not in terms of getting them, but ive seen people bring up repeatedly that its a bit ridiculous that requirements are not communicated adequately with the player and you have to basically either memorize boon chains or constantly refer to charts. and in a way i kinda get it bc sometimes i do get tired of constantly referring to a chart bc frankly my memorization skills are slightly above passable on a good day. maybe even something as small as like a subtle icon on boons indicating theyre part of a duo or whatever. or maybe once you start up a boon tier chain, the next tier boon has some kind of indication marker while you're choosing boons. just something that communicates better to a player that x set of boons require each other
quaint bramble
@narrow hemlock you should just toss that directly into the feedback channel, I’d definitely vote for it. I put some similar feedback in there a while ago because the current system is not clear enough.
narrow hemlock
i would but im not able to really word it in a way that properly conveys what im saying rn
given what i just said is largely rambling lol
but its definitely something ive seen a lot of talk around lately
tropic panther
the most reliable way to earn ambrosias is fishing at chaos
patent topaz
you mean in 👀
quaint bramble
Lmao on a literal level the most reliable way to earn ambrosia is ||vanquishing the heroes||, I still haven’t seen any options to fish in Chaos yet after a loooong time looking
solid cosmos
the fastest way to get ambrosia is to take all the ambrosia you gave dusa back
hot ledge
narrow hemlock
i mean its not like youre stealing it back, she willingly offered it for valid reasons
daring hull
yeah, i honestly didn't feel bad taking it back
wind nest
@quaint bramble the droprate on fish in Chaos is 2 percent, and also it depends on how many rooms it's been since you last fished. You generally need about 10 rooms
Since most of the fishing happens in tartarus and that's where most of the chaos rooms are, it's WAYYYYY too rare to get fishing in chaos.
solid cosmos
if you get a fishing spot but don't fish, does it still reset the room timer?
worthy egret
Yeah i didnt feel bad taking it back either
They do make a good job of really like, not making you taking them back a bad thing
solid cosmos
you guys are literal monsters 
worthy egret
It honestly felt like me not taking it back being the bad choice
daring hull
yeah, || she doesn't feel comfortable with it, so i would have felt bad not taking it back||
wind nest
@solid cosmos I'll need to read the code but I'm pretty sure it does not reset the fishing room count if you miss the fishing spot.
narrow hemlock
it does not reset. i've purposely skipped tartarus spots
whether you fish at a spot or miss it/skip it, it still counts
which makes the rarity of chaos spots even more absurd, frankly.
vale kite
mfw i actually try to go for a huge catch run but poseidon only appears once
meager dagger
After 109 runs and 50+ final boss kills, I've never seen a fishing spot in chaos, nor been offered demeter's winter harvest or poseidon's huge catch (outside of the freebie first time)
sage marten
no, clearly she ||felt uncomfortable because there was not enough ambrosia on the pile
we must gather every single drop of ambrosia on the underworld and offer it to her in tribute to her greatness.||
nimble ocean
i believe ||she doesn't feel comfortable with taking it rather than keeping, as she's not used to recieve gifts, and also, maybe, supposedly for her, these were the gifts made for only one purpose (blackout ending).. so if she keeps it, it still counts as "not for herself alone" and basically removes the questionable implications|| so i believe it's better not to take back..
same. played since the introduction of fishing and saw only one spot in that primordial goo
daring hull
i think both can be argued for, and that's kind of the point
you're not supposed to feel bad either way
solid cosmos
i feel bad when i give my hard earned ambrosia just so people can be like "eh i'm immortal i'll drink it maybe a couple millenia from now"
i fought my way multiple times to theseus and asterius just so you could not tell me how the divine drink from olympus tastes?
there, i said it
narrow hemlock
||you're not supposed to feel bad for either choice, no, but the implication with taking the ambrosia back is that dusa feels uncomfortable having her work handed to her (zagreus offering the ambrosia to keep the lounge stocked with)||
daring hull
yeah thats a good point
narrow hemlock
at the end of the day its subjective and everyone views it differently, but you're not meant to view either choice as "bad" or "good" bc both have their merits
fading dew
Still waiting on hypnos ambrosia option
narrow hemlock
oh thats my eternal mood
i hope the final dialogue is a bit more impactful and cements their bond more because as it is their friendship feels.. idk. weird. hypnos feels close enough to zag to do something as huge as putting the house to sleep, but their entire chain of affection dialogue is just 'oh you got me this, cool' 'sure knock yourself out mate.' dont want another eurydice man, i still feel put off to how it ended, orpheus felt more satisfying to conclude at least
wind nest
The way I see their relationship between zag hypnos and thanatos is that zag is the middle of the 3 Brothers. Hypnos is totally the childish immature younger brother andzag treats him as such
narrow hemlock
nah than is absolutely unfair to him. even when zag tells him that hypnos adores him, than just blows it off with this well aware response. nyx and than's relationship with hypnos really needs to be addressed bc as it stands now its pretty awful. imagine just wanting to talk to your brother and your only interactions with him are him insulting your work ethic and telling you "i dont know why i bother"
everyone likes to bring up the abusive nature between zag and his father's relationship whenever convos tip that direction but no one ever points out how, in hypnos's case, your own brother and mother avoiding you because you're not meeting up to their expectations is also pretty bad 🤪
so anyway fingers crossed we get some sick family dynamic thats nicer lol
livid cargo
The problem is that they made plans to hang out but hypnos kept sleeping through them@narrow hemlock
narrow hemlock
hes sleep incarnate, i dont know what part of this people dont understand. you have to expect some level of 'this guy probably sleeps more than people normally would' from a diety who is literally personified sleep
i enjoy most of the characterization in the game but that in particular is a really sore spot for me for personal reasons
either way nothing to really do but wait for content update and see what happens
for zag's inherent nature of butting into everyone's business, its a little wild his response to what nyx said about hypnos was so. dismissive lol.
livid cargo
Zags very flawed for one
narrow hemlock
of course he is, thats a lot of what makes him an enjoyable character.
theres just some inconsistencies with narrative, which im attributing to incomplete content
livid cargo
Yeah
narrow hemlock
i just hope to see those smooth over, is all.
austere rampart
will there be a preview of the june patch?
brisk trail
Maybe when it comes just a little closer.
Previews usually happen 2 or 3 weeks before launch.
Or maybe 1 week, I don't know.
deep pivot
They released teasers around that time with previous updates which made the channels go boom 💣
mild needle
charon super hot model/illustration reveal waiting room👇
narrow hemlock
he's getting his spiffy hat ready
quaint bramble
And his oar
rugged wren
Ended up telling Achilles about Patroclus. His reaction was kind of a touching moment, since the two of them were BFFs during the Trojan War.
narrow hemlock
yall ever just have your ashes mixed with someone else's bc you're bffs
novel wasp
more than bffs too
daring hull
ahshdjdjd bffs
daring hull
who? i only heard of patroclus tbh
brave thicket
in the ver i have there is another one
but i remember not the name
oh i maybe mistaken
daring hull
was it "son of blah" or sth?
brave thicket
antilochus
daring hull
huh
brave thicket
When his father Nestor was attacked by Memnon, Antilochus sacrificed himself to save him,[4] thus fulfilling an oracle which had warned to "beware of an Ethiopian." Antilochus' death was avenged by Achilles, who drove the Trojans back to the gates, where he is killed by Paris.[5] In later accounts, he was slain by Hector[6] or by Paris in the temple of the Thymbraean Apollo together with Achilles[7] His ashes, along with those of Achilles and Patroclus, were enshrined in a mound on the promontory of Sigeion, where the inhabitants of Ilium offered sacrifice to the dead heroes.[8][9] In the Odyssey,[10] the three friends are represented as united in the underworld and walking together in the Asphodel Meadows. According to Pausanias,[11] they dwell together on the island of Leuke.[3]
daring hull
i've never heard of that at all
worthy egret
What if??? 😳 our ashes 🔥 💨 got mixed ❗ after we died 💀 but we were both men ❓
Haha just kidding...
😳 UNLESS? 😳
flat vapor
LMAO
daring hull
asdfgh
worthy egret
I will not stop making this joke until i die and hades personally punches me in the face
flat vapor
what if??? we wanted to kiss in the underworld... but hades said
daring hull
dsdsghfasgad
brave thicket
asdfghjk
worthy egret
claim denied
daring hull
yk i always wondered about that? ||theseus got asterius no problem?||
flat vapor
asterius was a pity gift to theseus
narrow hemlock
someone needs to be around to put the king in time out when he gets cranky