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#h1-discussion
blazing valley
primal whale
True ares is the odd man out
dapper flume
Doom needs a lot more to stack than others I think.
You basically -need- multiple ares boons to make it worth it compared to others
primal whale
He was never known to use a skil saw
dapper flume
1 doom is 80 extra damage after 1.5s or so.
Compare that to the other direct buffs of the other gods.
trim surge
doom upgrades comparatively are quite bad
primal whale
One of the easiest runs ive had involved doom
You just have to get the deflect dash from athena
trim surge
if you have doom on shield special you can apply doom to an entire room without a sweat
dapper flume
Imo you -need- stacking doom, and delayed doom damage upgrade.
primal whale
and the duo that activates doom damage on deflect
hexed pilot
Doom without the +.05 second but at least 70% more doom damage feels very bad imo
trim surge
doom is one of the best standalone boons, however its upgrades are genuinely bad
primal whale
then you dash attack through fools, with doom on attack, deflect on dash, and that duo boon that immediately resolves doom
dapper flume
Yeah thats a big setup though. or you could just get flat damage from others
primal whale
helps if you're using rail
dapper flume
And not rely on duo
hexed pilot
And the upgrades on ares stuff aren't very valuable relative to other boons
brittle citrus
The stacking damage on doom isn't bad with the rail, or Chiron bow
dapper flume
I do enjoy dash spamming upgraded saws though.
Its unique for sure standing on the bosses face with 3+ saws going
trim surge
zeus is the god that works the least with others
aphrodite is the best standalone god
primal whale
Cant deny that
at least aphrodite
although hermes and artems are nipping at the heels
trim surge
ares is a mixed bag of doom being ok, blades needing a lot of upgrades
hexed pilot
Aphrodite is pretty all or nothing imo
primal whale
I just wish hermes had some duo boons
trim surge
artemis is one of the worst
dapper flume
aphro and dio best couple
hexed pilot
Artemis is one of the weakest but is suuuuper broken in the use cases
trim surge
artemis is only good for double cast, while the crit aspect just doesn't work
primal whale
I guess i've just won a lot of runs due to deadly flourish
but yeah outside of that, it is pretty lackluster
Artemis call makes me cry
trim surge
poseidon dash is good but he's lackluster in everything else since he cannot wallslam bosses, and his passive reward boon is obsolete
primal whale
But posiedon dash is very very good
trim surge
athena is also a good standalone
dio is not "standalone" but one of the strongest
patent umbra
I'd rather have no dash than poseidon dash
primal whale
poseidon dash is useless against bosses
but it pretty much clears most rooms forme
for me
if paired with the extra damage for slams or the big explosive wave
it puts my carefully crafted build to shame
But again, useless against bosses
trim surge
so yeah overall I feel like zeus/artemis need a significant rework, dio best designed god overall, athena/aphrodite check the "simple but efficient" mark, ares needs tweaks to blades, and poseidon probably needs a rework for his upgrade/support boons
demeter is alright
primal whale
I think every god should provide an easy to apply status curse, and if not, something to make up for it. Hermes is the odd one out but maybe thats okay
trim surge
hermes isn't really in the same category
primal whale
Yeah
hes like the hammers
in a way
But im not sure why they decided to do that
I will say that any of the calls that make you invincible combined with the hermes boon that gives 45% dodge and move speed at epic level is a lot of defense
45% for 15 seconds after using call that is
brittle citrus
Does the dodge chance and stuff kick in after the Call ends?
primal whale
good question
plush dagger
it starts as soon as you use it afaik
hexed pilot
So about Dio, do stronger stacks of hangover ticks replace weaker ones if there's no room for the stack
plush dagger
I think you're supposed to get it when you have a call that doesn't make you invincible
brittle citrus
I always assumed it was on cast, so never really picked it up with stuff like Poseidon's call
primal whale
I mean, an upgraded athenas will only give you 3ish seconds
plush dagger
though I must admit that super fast ares-blade was a fun greater call with that hermes boon
primal whale
I think its best using a single level of call if you have that hermes boon
plush dagger
yeah
primal whale
It's pretty easy to get a new call in 15 seconds
brittle citrus
true, though I have enjoyed going for full calls recently, just while im still building up heat
primal whale
so its effectively 45% dodge and move speed for the battle once the first call comes out
plush dagger
Ive never seen how it behaves with poseidon's call tho
does it make you surf faster or is your move speed fixed during the call?
brittle citrus
I do like the thought of zooming around with Pos's call though
primal whale
I've won a lot of runs with that 45% dodge from hermes after call, and just constantly dash attacking through the final boss, calling pos as soon as its up
helps to have 25% dodge on top of it
but that obviously only works with specific builds
Oh, and if you build up stacks of lambent plume...
brittle citrus
That brings up another question of mine, do you keep the effects of plume or Than's butterfly if you swap it out between floors?
brittle citrus
that was my assumption, good to know though
hexed pilot
im not sure that you can, it seems to get harder and harder to stack for every proc
patent umbra
It doesn't stack to 100% there is some sort of cap
primal whale
Yeah i've heard it was 80%
but i have no idea if that person knew what they were talking about
Either way, it'd be nice to know
coral axle
well that sucks
thought call dodge + feather dodge could stack to 100% then you can just dodge everything
hexed pilot
it's theoretically possible I think but practically just not reliable to get it up past 70%
that said that is still a ton of dodge
primal whale
Well making it so you cannot take damage is a little op
sour bone
Hey I have just a quick question, does God Mode make you invincible or does it simply give you damage resistances?
oak knot
just damage resistance
sour bone
How much do you know?
patent umbra
up to 80%
sour bone
I just got the game a day ago, beat it today cos I've been absolutely addicted, and I beat the final boss. Then this screen came up saying God Mode: Damage Resistance 20%
Does this mean that before this God Mode gave no resistance?
full fern
say, whats everyone's gpu usage when playing hades?
primal whale
@sour bone I actually haven't tried god mode, but I'd guess that means all enemies resist 20% more damage than before
er do you mean hell mode?
im not sure what you mean
OH
yeah god mode is for if you're having a hard time traversing the underworld and would like some help
So in your example, it would mean you get 20% damage resistance for free right off the bat. Considering you've already beat the final boss once, i'd stick with the regular mode and continue trying to progress
delicate arrow
is there any way that artemis and aphrodite can work with hera bow ?
i got the best boons possible for the build, but its just so hard to play with it
i got the legendary for artemis, ares and aphrodite as well as the duo boon for aphrodite and artemis, yet it jsut feels so... weak, pardon the pun
dusk cargo
um how do i get access to the hades-feedback channel?
hexed pilot
#bot-commands give yourself the Early Access role
dusk cargo
aight thanks
delicate arrow
I don't have privileged status
hexed pilot
Practical upgrades < Buying Cerberus a bed and ball
rich bay
how to refund the weapon upgrades for titans blood?
delicate arrow
@hexed pilot pretty much that
trim surge
oh man thanks for the +12% special speed increase Hermes very cool
mental sleet
you could upgrade, try it out on Skelly, quit to menu, and come back in game
rich bay
which weapon is like best for dps?
dreamy roost
I don't know if there's a straight best, as builds matter a lot in the game. Guan Yu, Shield of Chaos (Chaos' aspect) and Poseidon Sword are good defaults though
deep pivot
How do you make the Shield of Chaos deal a good amount of damage? Using the multiple shield throw?
wraith cipher
multiple shield throw with hangover
aphro or demeter on attack for easy privileged status
jade grove
Aphro has a bit of advantage IF you get the duo boon, because 8 stacks of hangover will kill just that bit faster... otherwise, Demeter's boons are generally really strong too
although I think Chiron actually uses Aphro+Dio duo on Dio special better, 7 arrows base
patent umbra
Chaos shotgun does 90 damage, give it whatever you like
deep pivot
I see. Thanks š
zealous timber
@analog elbow We read and process feedback in two ways:
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remote lily
Yeach, last patch it was 1500+ feedbacks
stoic quail
I don't have permission to write in any of the suggestions or feedback channels
It should be written in the pins the reasons why
wraith cipher
it is.
suggestions is closed for the time being and feedback's pins explains how to usse the bot to get permission
under Rule 6, specifically
stoic quail
so it does. I suck at reading š¦
wraith cipher
š you mightve been looking for an individual post about it and not something in the middle of a long post
dusty sluice
Hello guys, I have a dumb question, but i could not find my answer yet on the web. I'm looking how to upgrade weapons with titan blood. I beated the game twice (once with 1 skull) and I still not find how to upgrade weapons. Could someone help to understand please ? :/
dusty sluice
no
opaque nexus
Oh you need that
opaque nexus
After you get them all and do 1 run with the gun (donāt have to win), your equipped weapon will have a purple sphere on it
Interact with it again and youāll get the aspects
Only one isnāt available right at that moment
dusty sluice
oh okay
so i just have to die once with my weapon and I should be able to upgrade it right ?
opaque nexus
Yeah
dusty sluice
okay lets try out ! Thanks š
opaque nexus
Alright
I recommend getting 1 of each
Right away
Then seeing which one you like
wraith cipher
if you want to get, say, a spear aspect you'll need too equip the spear and then interact with the purple thing where the spear was
wraith cipher
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ocean onyx
proper rose
hey guys, new here, where do I report bugs?
lusty wasp
usualy in game with F10
proper rose
thanks
trim surge
aight, feeling that resources could use a rework I posted this https://i.redd.it/47nhyenpf5f41.png
delicate arrow
We need this
brisk trail
They're working on a resource rework.
ancient merlin
whats the name if the song that plays on the murderboat?
vocal thorn
I still donāt like a resource system that is mostly useless for people that run tight deadline. I donāt have time to pick up those extra resources, and I donāt have time to do more difficult rooms. Iād rather just get a lower rarity boon, than potentially spend more time for a better rarity boon. I also donāt like putting the resources in the same pool, because that makes it more difficult to reroll to extra boon rooms
trim surge
Tight deadline is an issue in general
pact has a lot of options that make the game worse as opposed to "more challenging"
No choice, Customs, Increased cost, Deadline
vocal thorn
Currently, if I reroll a POM, I know it will reroll into something I can use. If the pools are changed, and I reroll a POM into gems, then thatās completely awful
trim surge
well gems would be useful as opposed to... 20 gold
vocal thorn
Currently, the reroll system is designed, such that you have a semi decent chance to reroll rooms into a boon room of a god youāve already found so far, which is more important to me than stuff like better rarities
brisk trail
I don't think upgraded meta rewards are insignificant.
trim surge
they're insignificant compared to room difficulty*
brisk trail
20 gold and 5 health both add up over the course of a run, and rerolls are absolutely huge.
hardy scarab
i have been "stuck" trying to do 32 heat run. Even cheating i can't seem to do a 32 heat run. Run dies cause i get bunch of elite range units that spam so much dmg so fast that its bullet hell real fast in a tiny room and theres traps and tiny mistakes are death by inches. and the worst part is where if some flipping how i get through tartarus and asphodel... on tight deadline i cant' do elysium for the love of all things good and pure. and in elysium i got a run where basically the game pityed me and gave me thanos, patroleus, shop 2x, and chaos 2x... and yet i made it to theseus and got rektd so hard... and the bow... the bow charon aspect is RNG cancer. i don't get why flurry cant' be the default. let power shot be the hammer upgrade of poison.
trim surge
at high heat you'd never pick elite room over non elite if the rewards are DKG
vocal thorn
Elysium is messed up for 7 minute. You absolutely need things like two spammable status ailments
At high heat I wouldnāt be able to do most of your suggestions
brisk trail
Actually, I'll take an elite gem room over regular Darkness for the cash.
vocal thorn
And it would make it more difficult for me to get multiple boons from the same god
hardy scarab
at 32 heat... boons are ur life blood and runs can be over in seconds from the start if i get a hammer and then 4 rooms of trash.
brisk trail
Or a key over the other two for the reroll.
trim surge
well it's arguably a bad decision considering the risk and reward
also about boons, there's a good amounts of boons (dare I say gods) that you want to avoid at any cost
brisk trail
Every Olympian has their niche.
trim surge
well yes and no but that's not the point, some have a large pool of "bad" boons
if you've started building say Ares and Aphrodite, zeus appearing actively sabotages your build
hardy scarab
I wish i could cheat in keys better. i'm using cheat engine and not gunna lie the game does not like the injection. it doesn't care if i change a number, it cares i scan for numbers. it crashed so many times caue i need to leave the scan log open to scan for the next variable upon getting it... only for it to crash. the game is most definatly fun at 5+ heat but peaks at about 15 heat. beyond that it feels like a chore thats not rewarding and just an exercise in frustration.
i wish chaos boons were "chaotic" meaning they offered some sort of status aliment which would make sense seeing how its the originator of everything.
brisk trail
Zeus's Aid is better all-purpose than the either two, also opens up Vengeful Mood.
trim surge
zeus has a niche, but he's a one-trick-pony and has a big integration problem
he's all or nothing at the moment
brisk trail
I just pointed out how he was not.
trim surge
well it's unfortunate because you're wrong my dude
hardy scarab
zeus isn't good... zeus should be looked at as teh alt god boon. so u main someone else and then fill in zues to do the dmg behind them like tipsy cast or tidal wave.
trim surge
especially vengeful mood is a bad example
since you need to pick all of the "on taking damage" boons to make it work
it's an even nicher build
that relies on RNG boon distribution
brisk trail
Every run relies on RNG distribution.
I can run any brain-dead weapon choice people like and if I don't get the right RNG I still lose.
devout plinth
idk I think Zeus works fine as a primary god, love his attack boon on multiple weapons especially with certain hammers
hardy scarab
Best run i had was demeter, wine god, zeus pure synergy and exploderfied hades
brisk trail
Gimme a run that breaks 15 minutes and then talk yang about Zeus.
trim surge
yes but not all boons are equally good as standalone, zeus needs several upgrades and his lack of scaling only makes him useful on high fire rate weapons
hardy scarab
demeter aid >>>> zeus aid
trim surge
any aid >>>> basic zeus aid
hardy scarab
wine god aid >>>> zeus aid
brisk trail
I didn't realize that Artemis's Aid was so strong.
Or that Ares's Aid isn't a limp noodle unless you get Vicious Cycle.
trim surge
fully upgraded zeus build with legendary and duos and whatnot >>>> everything else
ares aid makes you invulnerable for a whole part of the fight
brisk trail
And removes all other means of dealing damage.
trim surge
and it doesn't matter since you take no damage
hardy scarab
not even close... i had fully upgraded zues and it was garbo... it just didnt't do anything. i wish i had athena or even aphro
brisk trail
Were you trying to use Explosive Shot?
hardy scarab
fully upgraded aphro at least perma stuns the final boss... zuess just hits like 2x till he goes invulnerable for entire duration of aid.
trim surge
full zeus is pretty strong, but again you need full zeus
hardy scarab
i had full zues many times... alone he's terrible
brisk trail
I've got a sub-15 minute run with full Zeus.
hardy scarab
with posidon he's "acceptable" with wine god and demter he's ledendary. but both of those have him at teir 2-3
i wouldn't even get zeus with art or ares or aphro
brisk trail
Dude, just because you don't know how to use his boons effectively doesn't mean he's not good.
hardy scarab
I do know how to use boons effectively, thank u very much. zues isn't good. he's beneath others who do the same thing he does, but better
brisk trail
Show me your clear time.
hardy scarab
i've cleared the gaem a ton of times
scroll up i explained my best run vs hades
and my best heat is 15 currently
brisk trail
Well, he kept getting nerfed, so...
hardy scarab
i'm trying to 32 heat just to "do it.
brisk trail
Hasn't seen a buff in a few patches, either.
vocal thorn
Zeus aid is one of the best calls for high heat, because it can do AoE damage even if itās not a full bar
hardy scarab
zues is just not that good compared to doom, crit, or posion,
vocal thorn
Being able to AoE trash in the third biome is way more useful than calls that are single target. And calls like Ares can be a dps loss, which is the opposite of what I want
hardy scarab
and if i do any of those layouts zeus just doesn't fit into them.
the point is to synergize boons
zues has raw dmg plus jolt
so u want cold fusion
brisk trail
You mean Zeus is your main damage output while you use other boons to supplement it?
hardy scarab
other way around
brisk trail
"zues (sic) has raw dmg"
hardy scarab
yeah and raw dmg doesn't = most dmg.
vocal thorn
Calls are sort of rare to get. If Iām offered a Zeus call, Iāll take it regardless of whether or not I plan on getting more Zeus boons
brisk trail
Zeus requires a second boon just to get a Status Curse. He's a poor choice if you want a single boon to add Privileged Status.
timid jungle
If I get tattoos of all the boon symbols, can I get a sneak peek as to what the new weapon will be?
hardy scarab
don't believe me then do a posidon run without zues... then do a posidon run with zues.
brisk trail
Well Poseidon is unquestionably the weakest Olympian.
brisk trail
When I say unquestionably I mean after months of discussion with other players, many better than me.
vocal thorn
Poseidon dash is one of my favorite dashes for the sword
brisk trail
But it puts enemies out of range of your sword.
vocal thorn
It puts them in range for dash cancel into special
brisk trail
True.
vocal thorn
Because itās slightly irritating when I need to dash away from monsters, just so I can dash cancel into special towards the monsters
hardy scarab
the duo is amazing... no question... but beyond that they jsut don't combo well together
they're not bad
i mean nothing is technically bad beyond idk pure choas boon run... idk if thats even possible... //to do
i used to think demeter was the worst, until i got her artic blast and her aid...
vocal thorn
Besides, the boon pool is overinflated with utility boons, so you get what you get, regarding attack/special/dash boons, because they might not offer another one for an entire biome. This whole idea of cherry picking the best for each slot isnāt always realistic. Besides, they increased the chance of getting replacement boons, which means if you are offered a Zeus attack, and you donāt have an attack boon, you should get it, and hold onto it until you get a replacement
brisk trail
Also one of the few ways to get Heroic boons.
hardy scarab
heroic level is little over rated and underwhelming considering the requirements to acquiring. best heroic frankly is the increased dash by hermes. Beyond hermes, arts anything can crit is the only other boon i feel really is worth the trouble trying to get heroic.
and u get 1 shot to do so...
brisk trail
More Dashes from Hermes is one of the best boons in the game.
rough atlas
i don't usually take hermes boons tbh
brisk trail
I've traded a single boon multiple times, as well. Trade a common up to an Epic, or take a Rare or Epic I used as filler and end up with it Heroic and my main DPS.
placid mortar
Yooo!!! I have a really serious question... Adult Zagreus with beard... What would he look like? Because i cant stop thinking about Zag with Hades mustache/beard.
heady glacier
just finished my first run!
this is the first rogue-like I've ever played and everything from the music, art, and writing just cinches this for me
such a fun game
unborn spoke
grats hun
ocean kayak
i think i had an idea for player/player interaction on a minimal scale, anyone wanna hear it?
brisk trail
Go on.
ocean kayak
ya know that one little shade that cheers for zagreus in the minotaur fights?
imagine if more shades were red if someone sent you help over a link
you could get some cash or some health a la sisyphus after the fight if you had a lot of friends involved
sharp parcel
there's no online functionality in the game, aside from data collection
azure tinsel
So i heard that you only get 4 gods per run? Does having a keepsake affect this?Also,
can someone explain me how do the re-rolls work? They don't seem to be random, every time i roll darkness, money, keys or gems i get one of the other 3
Is that just me? Or am i correct?
brisk trail
There is a pinned message in this room or in #h1-builds-and-combat that explains rerolls.
magic canyon
anyone else having trouble figuring out how to use the spear's charge attack?
brisk trail
You mean the spin attack?
raven spindle
like the button to use it?
serene obsidian
@heady glacier welcome to the genre! Although I believe....if I can get my nerd glasses on for a moment .....that Hades is a Rogue-Lite, not a Roguelike ....due to the growth in power overtime between runs
quasi walrus
... Fishing in Chaos for rare chaos fishies: Yea or Nay?
brisk trail
Yes, Isaac is a Roguelite.
trim surge
what's a roguelike
brisk trail
A game in which every run starts from a fully clean slate.
trim surge
well might as well tell that to the devs
calm laurel
Meta progression
serene obsidian
Rogue likes don't have any improvement between runs, maybe you can unlock things but not anything"better" taking it's name from what's considered to be the pregenitor of the genre "Rogue".....like how games with non linear exploration are called "Metroidvania" games .....or the rise in punishing combat + lose your xp on death and have to retrieve it "Soulslikes"
wraith cipher
i dont like getting semantic on roguelike and roguelites, it just makes it more confusing and doest really help anything
especially since almost all of the popular roguelikes are "lites"
and since there's disagreement on what a true roguellike even is
there's a lot of people who say anything other than a top down turnbased dungeon crawler is a lite
trim surge
actually a roguelike is a text-based interface game set in a dungeon for unix systems
wraith cipher
i think roguelike should broadly refer to procedurally generated/randomized games that you do "runs" through
random sandal
frick, this game is ruining my productivity big time this week
Can anyone help me git gud
I haven't beaten theseus and the minotaur yet
trim surge
unlock enough of the mirror and you'll be able to facetank your way through all the bosses
wraith cipher
whats been getting you?
random sandal
well ive only fought them once
but in general i feel like i just take a lot of damage because of my playstyle
which is very frenetic
lots of dashing up close and personal
I just want the dash deflect boon every run š¦
only gotten it once
brisk vale
try shield
random sandal
ive been running shield
brisk vale
charge attack button to deflect
wraith cipher
block
random sandal
i notice i almost never use anything besides special and attack
brisk vale
you can charge in then dash away, rinse and repeat
random sandal
because they interrupt my flow so much
wraith cipher
if you have it in the mirror putting a casst in an enemy can increase your base damage against then by 50%
brisk vale
shield special is only good if you invested points into weapon upgrades though
like max chaos shield
brisk vale
nah thats fine
random sandal
just seems like everything else slows me down so much
compared to constant dash attacks
which is what i enjoy about the game, the speed of it
brisk vale
I won many runs without casting too
casting is only good if you have something worth to cast and against bosses if you have the mirror upgrade
random sandal
ahh yeah makes sense against bosses
brisk vale
there is a boon that lets you hold the cast button to cast multiple
random sandal
what keepsake should i be using?
wraith cipher
every boss you can throw a cast at the very start before they start moving
brisk vale
depends on your playstyle
random sandal
ive been using the one that increases duration of shop items
brisk vale
if you are on your first run use the collar
wraith cipher
skelly's keepssake gives +1 death ddefiance
brisk vale
yeah I never use it though
duration of shop items is good if you are taking a lot of damage
wraith cipher
you'll want to level it up though, it maks you respawnn with low hp at the start
brisk vale
if you keep buying all the healing items from shops you will reach act 4 every run even if you take 100 damage every floor
random sandal
yeah the 15% chance of enemies dropping health items for 11 rounds is pretty nuts
wraith cipher
max lvl it respawns you with 150
brisk vale
once you learn how to play its not that good though
random sandal
got it
brisk vale
I use god ones in first 2 or 3 acts
random sandal
so collar for sure?
brisk vale
then last act I use acorn
if you have no mirror upgrades collar is good yeah
then up to you
random sandal
cool
brisk vale
the one lets you start with 100 gold is decent too
wraith cipher
hypnos is that one
brisk vale
dont forget to buy the upgrade that lets you change keepsakes every act
I use different keepsake in every act
random sandal
yeah seems cool to start with the 100 gold one then switch
you keep the gold right?
brisk vale
yeah from the guy next to hades
random sandal
tight
carmine pecan
yea u could
dawn elbow
hey guys, i'm struggling with 32 heat runs
i'm using chaos shield
which god do you think i should be aiming for ?
- any tips for theseus?
teal patrol
Poseidon cast builds are always good for cheesy wins
Poseidon sword
sorry
not the boon
wraith cipher
never his boons š
carmine pecan
his boons are ass?
wraith cipher
they're good against mobs but not good against bosses, i kinda meme about him
in the latesst big upddate they added a Pos boon that makess attackss with knockaway do ~10% more damage againsst bosses, which while i havent used myself seems too small to completely fix the issue
every other god i see get recomended for certain situations or builds but i never see someone go "this poseidon boonn will make this build amazing"
wraith cipher
if it works out that way for you then thats great!
personally itss the bosses that get me, especially the final one
thick basin
I've always found that early Artimis boons and later Zeus/Ares boons tend to do crazy amounts of damage. If you are using the Chaos Shield, consider a strong Dionysus boon on the special and repeatedly bounce the shield off of the boss. 30 damage a second at 5 stacks is pretty nice.
The "Crit off every damage" and "Crited Enemies are marked for additional crit chance" boons pair nicely.
Get those early and it's smooth sailing.
oak wind
oh the bonus boss damage? its actually much worse on the lower rarities
like 10% flat is reasonable. IF that's the lowest available and you also get it in your early game
but with basically non existent scalling, you're better off with practically anything else on the pos dmg row
had a run recently where i was building posseidon and it took me until styx to even find it, with a lower rarity so it was like 5% instead of 10, and at that point it loses one of its main appeals of, oh this is gonna be even better later on, but nope.
oak wind
i think the damage over time works with the game. its a fair amount of passive damage. and the boomerang shield is fun to play around with
a weird synergy happens with like, hermes where you get anything like speed up or bonus dashes
you throw out shield, dash out and press q, then you just run around aa'ing everything 1 by 1 then changing targets and if played correctly it basically passively procs the dot on everything.
sweet cove
if I gain bonuses from pierced butterfly then switch to a different keepsake, do I retain the bonuses?
alpine mural
can someone tell me what hell mode is and how to turn it on?
flat vapor
hell mode has to be chosen when you make a new save
Hell Mode forces 5 levels of specific conditions, including a Hell Mode-specific condition, called Personal Liability. It basically takes away the invincibility shield you get when you take a lot of damage in a short time. It also forces you to increase heat with every clear. As far as I know, there's no way to get the heat rewards from those first 5 levels of heat, so you're also behind on various upgrades using those potential rewards, compared to a normal player.
vocal thorn
Um, does that mean I'll eventually get locked out of the game, if I'm playing hell mode? Or does it stop at like level 25?
flat vapor
what do you mean
there's a maximum amount of heat, sure, but as far i know nobody has completed a run that far
the forced heat increase is per weapon, as well
zealous timber
@vocal thorn the maximum heat at which you can earn Bounties is 5 levels higher in Hell Mode (so you can earn the same amount of Bounties as a normal save)
sharp parcel
but are you able to play at heat lower than 25 after you got all the bounties for each weapon?
on hell, that is
dusk cargo
@vocal thorn regarding your post in feedback, dash i-frames don't last until the end of the dash
vocal thorn
@zealous timber Is the highest "minimum heat level" in hell mode equal to the highest bounty level? Like, hell mode would never say "not enough heat" for level 30 heat, because there's no bounty for level 30 heat?
@dusk cargo Should the dash animation be changed so that Athena's dash graphics match the i-frames, so that it's not confusing?
zealous timber
@vocal thorn The best way to understand it is that there are 20 levels of eligible bounties per weapon in both modes. In a normal save, that is 0-20. In a hell mode save, that is 5-25.
vocal thorn
@zealous timber I'm more concerned with hell mode's "you can't start the game unless you meet the minimum heat" requirement, and whether or not the minimum heat requirement stops for a weapon after that weapon collects all of its bounties? I'm not sure if I'm asking the question correctly
dusk cargo
@vocal thorn i personally think it's fine because you have two dashes, and they put enough distance between you and hades so that the spin attack doesn't hit you. it's definitely easier if you have multiple dashes so you can just spam it to get away
zealous timber
@vocal thorn Oh got it -- you are asking if the heat escalates beyond the point where you can earn bounties, basically.
vocal thorn
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/527330532259004419/674814399806177310/unknown.png?width=1040&height=585 like, this screenshot,
yeah
Like, I literally can't start the game unless I increase the heat
dusk pewter
I love this game. Please keep up the excellent work devs!
zealous timber
@vocal thorn I believe it does keep escalating. If you find otherwise, let me know. Feel free to leave feedback about any aspect of this in #hades-feedback.
vocal thorn
@dusk cargo There have been times where he doesn't move forward far enough (e.g. I'm near an edge of the room), for two dashes to get completely behind him and out of the way. I do admit that sometimes I am able to double dash through him, and he moves far enough forward for me to be out of the way of the spear spin.
@zealous timber Thank you
dusk cargo
@vocal thorn i actually don't dash away from him. my tactic is to dash once away, and the second one i dash back to him so i can continue my attack. but that obviously doesn't work when he does the triple spin haha
unborn spoke
they need to do something for the rail....ive tried 6 times in a row and i still can't win
regal holly
my best clearing build was actually poesiden
i went through nix so fast
temple
w/e its called
vocal thorn
The main problem is that I always have to dash when I'm near the final boss, because it's literally 0.2 seconds from him starting a spear thrust to when the hit connects (and my reaction time isn't that good), but if I dash while I'm near him, and he starts a spear spin during the dash (as in he spear spins instead of spear thrusts), then I need to perfectly time my second dash to i-frame the spear spin
brisk trail
My fastest clear (admittedly only 7 Heat with EM and Middle Management) was with the Rail.
vocal thorn
It would be perfectly fine if the spear spin could only be used as a followup (e.g. thrust, thrust, spin... or throw skull, spin), or it would be fine of the starting lag on the spear thrust was long enough for me to realistically be able to dodge it as-a-reaction instead of as a precaution, but when you put the both together, then I literally don't know what I'm expected to do to avoid the thrusts and spins, if I'm near him.
unborn spoke
what attack boon did you use?
i just tried Ares.
while doom was great
i dunno
the dmg was kind of...yes and no
dawn pumice
how good is the 36 key unlock in the mirror? i ask because i currently have 23 keys and im wondering if i should go for it first
vocal thorn
The 36 key unlock can be a bit expensive. You might want to put points in other stuff first
unborn spoke
all i need to do is finish up the last one
dawn pumice
i have everything besides the one that cost 12 that inscreased damage with 2 curses , and then the one that cost 24 that increases rarity of boons
unborn spoke
it takes 5K darkness now
dawn pumice
and then the 36 key one of course
vocal thorn
I'd rather activate the increased damage with two curses
dawn pumice
and i still havnt beat that damn hades yet . and i totally would have if i had that one on one of my runs as well
vocal thorn
it's much cheaper darkness-wise, and it's +50% damage when it's active
dawn pumice
the extra damage that is
brisk trail
I used Zeus attack on that run, @unborn spoke
dawn pumice
i came so close with the spear and the chaos sheild but NOPE
unborn spoke
Ive tried that hun and it was fine but i wasn't killing fast enough in the end
the rats and those poison shooters was murderous
dawn pumice
yeah basically that
ive getting so much better but i get to the last part and then ill have one room that messes me up badly
or i keep dying like 10 seconds before i kill the champ of elysium or somthing and wasting a death defiance
im def getting better tho
unborn spoke
getting the DD's removed really suck
the worst fight is the king and his running beef factory
even worse than the end
Okie what i did with spear was get explody shot from Arti
vocal thorn
I just don't get the one elite room in Styx, with the murder laser stone, and the poison satyrs that keep spawning while the murder laser stone is alive. At max +enemy damage and max +enemy speed, it's way more dangerous than any of the other Styx elite rooms
unborn spoke
and then get the crits going and your going to wreck face
wraith cipher
Privileged status (extra damage with two curses) is so good
brisk trail
Well, that's what I used.
ocean kayak
@vocal thorn you have the satyrs to thank for that. please join my in my crusade against them.
unborn spoke
i REALLY hate those guys
vocal thorn
@ocean kayak The spearpoint nerf is what really made the fight worse. I used to be able to spearpoint immune the murder lasers often enough to be able to attack it reasonably, and dodge the poison reasonably
I still get past it, I'm just not sure why it seems way harder than the other elite "end of tunnel" rooms
alpine mural
@vocal thorn it's because the lazers force you to hide behind pillars to not take damage, but when you do you have to somehow defend yourself against poison darts while standing still or relatively still.
dawn pumice
yeah that room SUX
loud perch
what is the best companion
brisk trail
They all serve different purposes.
Shady is best all-purpose, does decent damage but is more importantly a source of healing.
deep pivot
They are so cute š„°
alpine mural
@unborn spoke from what you are saying for you build I feel like your just thinking about it wrong. Doom from Ares for example is good on weapons that provide poking damage (damage that is applied slowly one at a time, better if with high numbers). There is no point to putting doom on a weapon that is best used rapid firing, you would be better off with dyo's tipsy DOT that would apply super fast. Overall think about this. High attack speed (like sword and gun, maybe spear primary attack) are best with stacking things like tipsy, chill, lightning (sometimes) and crit (crit is almost always good, unless you are putting it on something that doesn't do good damage). Slow attack speed (like shield, bow, gun special, sword special, spear special) means go for things like doom, and charm (maybe knockback).
Sorry this is long
unborn spoke
its ok i appreicate the time taken to do it
lemme see
ā¤ļø
ive tried Arti (for crits) and it was not bad but the dmg imo tapered pff
*off
the attack(primary shots) do only 10
for rail that is
viscid flicker
i think of crit more like a +% damage thing since that's mostly like it is, so i would group it with things like doom or weak
though if you have marked, i guess higher attack speed is better
+10% crit is kind of like a 120% multiplier on your damage, so an epic +35% attack +10% crit is sort of like a 62% increase
loud perch
rail is pretty bad if ur going attack lol
viscid flicker
the +40% attack +20% crit on special is pretty good though, that's like +96%
loud perch
put it all into the special and cast
viscid flicker
the best boon for rail attack is probably support fire š
loud perch
and the leg boon when u get a kill when they go to 10 percent hax hp
yeah i think i hate chill
its pretty mediocre
unborn spoke
For rail?yeh
it might be better on something else.
but for rail IMO it kind of bites
viscid flicker
killing at +10% max hp is kinda like +11% damage multiplied with everything else (ignoring the fact that they explode)
alpine mural
@unborn spoke there is a boon that makes people affected with chill take a DOT if everyone alive is affected. its a very good DOT. Unless you are trying to speed run the chill also allows you more time to react to attacks and enemy movement effectively giving you more survivability.
there is another boon that makes chill explode in an AOE once the target has 10 stacks
loud perch
what weapons do u guys use the most
alpine mural
I just use whichever has the darkness buff on it at the time
brisk trail
Rail.
unborn spoke
ya i saw that
i suppose i can take a Rail with nothing but demeter
just for kicks
brisk trail
Flurry Fire, Spread Fire, Explosive Fire, Triple Bomb, Cluster Bomb.
loud perch
is flurry fire the infinite ammo upgrade
brisk trail
No, that's Delta Chamber, it's bad.
brisk trail
Flurry Fire increases fire rate, magazine size, and accuracy.
unborn spoke
Delta chamber is a 3 round nonsense
alpine mural
if you ok with getting close Spread fire is pretty nice.
also don't sleep on Hestia Aspect
loud perch
i took the artemis keepsake and the first boon i got was locked by a hellfire portal
Sick
brisk trail
It will make another that is through a regular door, don't worry.
unborn spoke
Ty SO much for the wisdom @alpine mural
loud perch
nice
brisk trail
Holy--
royal tinsel
i didnt even know it was possible to only get a screen with two on it lol
ill record myself beating hades, it shoudl be fun as hell
lord zeus lord zeus lord zeus lord zeus lord zeus lord zeus
brisk trail
Dassa lotta yellow.
deep pivot
Watching all those lightnings was so satisfying~
alpine mural
@royal tinsel You have it fully upgraded so that's nice but I feel like the life steal for guan is way to small to make up for the health loss. It simply doesn't hit fast enough with enough heal per hit. The cursed blade upgrade on the other hand heals an extra hp per hit and is not tied to a set hit's per second speed. You can augment its attack speed by mixing in dash attacks to animation cancel the basic attacks.
NOTE: Nothing against you using it. You do you. Just giving my thoughts on the new weapon.
royal tinsel
thats a fair thought
but i love the life steal aspect, and its my fav of the spear upgrades
hazy wigeon
I've just started playing with the non-sword weapons and...I'm not sure why, the sword is awesome.
mental sleet
I feel like the rng make it that not all runs are enjoyable
royal tinsel
plus, its very easy to heal with it against cirtan rooms and enemys, like the rat room on styx is pretty much a full heal
mental sleet
there are runs that give you a bunch of epic boons and synergy that makes you feel epic
hazy wigeon
that's what all roguelikes are like though
random sandal
Do most people play this with a game pad?
winter cape
if every run is epic then you will be numbed to the epicness
sharp parcel
KnM player here
hazy wigeon
I haven't played knm
royal tinsel
well the difference to me at least, is being able to make good out of a bad situation
what seperates a good player from a bad is the ability to make due with what your given and make it work instead of hoping for good items
sharp parcel
plays absolutely fine, just keep aim assist on
else hitting anything with ranged weapons is a pain
random sandal
Lmao that explains why I hated ranged weapons so much
mental sleet
well yes but the epicness should be able to be influence by you to some degree
hazy wigeon
well, and part of the fun of a 'bad' run is seeing how far you can make it despite being kneecapped
mental sleet
just praying to rngesus to "please give me something epic" is not very epic
hazy wigeon
you do get to influence it?
winter cape
not really, you can still beat the game with crap boons, just take more time
mental sleet
yes
royal tinsel
i can do fine witth any weapon but my fav is the rail gun and my least fav is the spear
but i love them all
mental sleet
and you get like what, a handful of rerolls in 60 rooms long run
royal tinsel
infact i today got sub 20 with all of them https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/476557567280152577/674799387649507345/unknown.png
winter cape
19 mins for bow is pretty fast
hazy wigeon
I do not like the bow š
royal tinsel
nah nah
you wanna load up those casts
winter cape
my best bow clear is like 30 mins, its slow as heck
hazy wigeon
I only have one bow clear and it was like 40 heh
livid cargo
All of the bow aspects can be fast
For base, just power shot to victory. Hera, go find dio cast and instawin. Chiron can work with a bunch of gods
narrow hemlock
hera cast runs are really fun, and I disliked bow for the longest time. Just gotta find something that works for you
livid cargo
Yeah, the aspects made me like bow again
frail remnant
same
I want to max my current aspects but got its gonna be a lot of blood
need 5 for all spear bow and shield
livid cargo
New weapon in like, a month
winter cape
problem is you need a bunch of rerolls to make it work
frail remnant
for Achilles, chaos and Chiron aspects lvl5
livid cargo
Demeter can help offset that with the ravenous will boon
winter cape
yea its the whole purpose
brisk trail
You're better off with Poseidon or Eris.
livid cargo
I think ares cast is viable with literally anything
frail remnant
if imagine it just makes the rift at the arrow
brisk trail
It does.
winter cape
I think they should buff Aphrodite range
its too short
being a cone shape is already disadvange, idk why they limit the range too
wraith cipher
cone shaped? that wass changed in long winter
winter cape
really?
wraith cipher
yee, shatter shot was replacedd with "Crush Shot" which is a rectangle shape
dont know if damage numbers were changed
It seems to have an issue with hera bow where the bloodstones go out of bounds and i was having issues getting bloodstoness to stick in people, so its a little buggy atm
mental sleet
it is supposed to stick to people though?
only the aoe cast dont stick to people
wait a minute
wraith cipher
it doess it aboutt half the time
shatter shot always did but with the shape it was hard to tell who would get it
mental sleet
I think with crush shot if its direct hit then it stick to people
if it hit something else but the effect hit the enemy it wont
so you could hit enemies behind cover with hera loaded with crush shot
which is very cool
wraith cipher
i was standing next to enemies hitting them and the stones were popping up behind them
mental sleet
ok now this is big brain time
because I dont know then
I only use crush shot against boss/on hera's bow
so for me it stick ~100% of the time
agile saddle
So for Hera Bow if you upgrade it it makes stones fall out faster but don't you want stones stuck in people for boiling blood?
brisk trail
The idea is to pick them back up quickly and fire again.
mental sleet
well with Hera's bow your stones are the thing that is doing damage
wraith cipher
with hera you want to sspam cassts as much as you can
agile saddle
Ohh I see
mental sleet
and when your stone is stuck on them, if you load multiple stone it does count for bonus damage
mental sleet
I have my bow and shield as my best weapons
Zeus shield in particular, because that finally have me looking for boons in shield special slot
before that I might as well unbind Q when using shield
agile saddle
I use Chaos shield. Great for spreading ailments
agile saddle
Comes back fast
mental sleet
and bash the enemy against a wall
shield is also verynice because if you hold charge you can shield yourself
very helpful against the big man
except I think he has a shield piercing attack that he does occasionaly
oh damn
agile saddle
Shield is the only wep I die to last boss with. I can't stand it as a wep
mental sleet
shield is the one I have on second highest heat
and second amount of clears
right behind the bow
agile saddle
I don't mind railgun. It's ok
mental sleet
we should do a popularity poll for weapons
you can rank weapon in order
the highest get most point and so on
agile saddle
Last 2 railgun runs were aphro runs. Charm is busted
mental sleet
railguns is uncomfortable to play with but with correct charm and hammer upgrade its busted
agile saddle
I had the hammer upgrade for faster attack with 30% Hermes attack increase with charm
alpine mural
I'm confused why do you think high attack speed with charm is good? @agile saddle ?
Also just noticed @mental sleet do you get your "all the games" tag by verifying you have all of supergiant games's games?
dusk cargo
actually why are people complaining about not getting chaos gates?
you can purchase them, can't you?
mental sleet
ya cant
chaos gate is iffy
I have got runs I run into it like
once
wait you can
but that is also iffy
because it assume that the item shows up in the first place
dusk cargo
then just make the item appear more often then
it's the same as purchasing a boon in charon's shop
mental sleet
that would assume you have the money to purchase everything
brisk trail
@alpine mural If you have Unhealthy Fixation, you can lock any enemy down.
agile saddle
@alpine mural Because charm doesn't last as long on bosses but fast attack means you can charm lock a boss
brisk trail
Even the final boss.
analog elbow
@zealous timber thank you so much! Iāll make sure to be as precise as can be with my suggestion on this case.
dusk cargo
while i agree that a god's boon should appear more often if you hold that god's keepsake, i think making the light of ixion appear more often would be a good fix
chaos' keepsake already negates the health loss from entering the gate, so i feel making it increase the spawn chance of the gates would make it too good
agile saddle
Actually I bring the chaos egg with me through tartarus and sometimes asphodel
Getting epic chaos boons early is great
dusk cargo
light of ixion is only 40 gold, and it incentivises you to go for gold rooms
agile saddle
I run the increased prices heat cause it's easy heat
dusk cargo
there's a trade off to everything, isn't that the whole point of this game?
opaque heron
I feel like thematically the chaos egg is great as is; yeah you get a bonus on chaos boons, and theyāre less punishing to get, but you still are at Chaosā whims whether he decides to let you in or not
agile saddle
Chaos is female right?
alpine mural
@brisk trail what does charm do? I can't find it on the wiki
mental sleet
they
opaque heron
Chaos is....chaos lol
agile saddle
Charmed forces enemies to attack each other
brisk trail
Makes enemies stop targeting you.
agile saddle
But if you're in a boss fight it just makes the boss do nothing essentially
brisk trail
Chaos is beyond gender. The best way to describe Chaos is probably with nonbinaries, like they and them.
opaque heron
Although admittedly I canāt speak to Chaos Egg balance-wise. Havenāt used it yet.
mental sleet
Imagine Chaos, but better
agile saddle
I run chaos egg early cause like I don't want to lose 30 HP and also higher chance of epic boons from chaos is good
opaque heron
That was what I saw when I got it lol
dusk cargo
yea exactly what Sarijinn said, chaos egg is imo thematically the best keepsake. the other olympian gods want to help you, so it only makes sense that their boons should appear with a slightly higher chance if you hold their keepsake.
but chaos is chaos, they can do whatever they like, including giving you access into their domain. that's why i feel paying 40 gold is a good trade off for one entry.
opaque heron
I saw ālose no hp when you enter chaos gatesā and that alone made me think it was strong
dusk cargo
^ that
not losing 20 something hp each time you enter the gate is already incredibly good
agile saddle
Only time I don't mind losing the HP for a chaos gate is with Guan yu spear
opaque heron
I also really like chaos boons in general, because it encourages you to play better early on (-Hp as well as whatever curse you get) for potentially run-changing rewards down the line, making even early levels still feel interesting.
agile saddle
I have only ever got the chaos legendary boon once.
dusk cargo
if i have the cursed sword upgrade i also don't mind losing hp to enter chaos gates
opaque heron
Hydralite also negates the hp loss too which is neat
dusk cargo
but apart from those situations, i will never enter a chaos gate without the chaos egg
alpine mural
come on guys if you have full hp and there is a chaos gate there you are just wasting your passive healing if you don't use it. (assuming there isn't something great like a hammer in the available doors)
dusk cargo
you're assuming everyone is good enough to get perfect clears lel
random sandal
Literally 200% better immediately with an Xbox controller jesus
Was so handicapped
hexed pilot
ugh doom is so slow on high heat
brisk trail
You should get Merciful End.
hexed pilot
i hate having to use it but sometimes it's just the damage you have
"No Choice" is about as fun to play with as Busted Crown in Slay the Spire
brisk trail
So Chain Shot is really cool with Hera.
If your initial shot misses it can and will ricochet to an enemy and fire the Casts then.
dusk cargo
right so i want to ask something about doom
brisk trail
Shoot.
dusk cargo
what happened to the boon that allowed you to stack doom multiple times
and i'm not talking about Dire Misfortune
proud orbit
Was there ever a different one?
wraith cipher
if that was a thing its been removed š¤·
dusk cargo
i can swear there used to be a boon that specifically said something along the lines of "you can stack Doom multiple times"
tawny patio
Or maybe renamed to Dire Misfortune? Like Tipsy Shot => Trippy Shot.
Game is still early access and renaming happens
wraith cipher
couldve been reworked, stacking doom sounds stupidd strong on rail
alpine mural
if that was a thing they probably removed it or nerfed and renamed it like @tawny patio said. I think the same^
imagine hitting a boss with 11+ doom hits in under 2-3 seconds
dusk cargo
Dire Misfortune just says doom deals more damage when applied multiple times, but it doesn't say if doom stacks
alpine mural
because doom stacking would be broken like we just explained
it's possible they changed it into what dire misfortune is now
dusk cargo
do they mention if they remove or rename boons in the patch notes?
wraith cipher
yeah
dusk cargo
right give me some time to read the recent patch notes
alpine mural
can you look at patch notes in browser to allow for ctr+f?
dusk cargo
aren't the patch notes on the supergiant website?
alpine mural
i was looking at them in game
random sandal
Whatās better? Evasion or quick recovery?
alpine mural
whats the recovery?
random sandal
20%
alpine mural
oh sorry evasion
random sandal
15%
alpine mural
i would go with evasion
15% chance to not take damage vs 20% damage reduction when you dash at the right time
dusk cargo
right so i think they reworked Dire Situations or something
or maybe i had a massive brain fart and remembered wrongly
random sandal
The traps are insane
old quartz
A good way to look at dodge is 15% more health
untold basin
Anyone have an idea of the font name for Hades? Specifically the one used for gods/goddesses names and such.
random sandal
Guys I just messed up my best run ever so bad
I would have done it
Noooooooooo
10 gold difference broke me
Iām so salty damn
Wouldāve beaten Theseus and the Minotaur on 2nd try
sand stump
untold basin
@sand stump As long as you are having fun is all that matters 
- I know some people who beat it on first, others that took 50-100. Depends a lot on experience with similar games and such.
@random sandal There are four areas currently
hallow cargo
untold basin
Yeah, no worries as long as it was fun. I won on my fourth run. Someone I know beat it on their 51st try, then after than got a 7 win streak. Eventually things just sort of click
frigid dirge
Iāve got like 10 and on my last run I got to Hadesā second phase
The boon combos make is super easy
real wing
Anyone's cursor not showing up?
untold basin
@real wing Do you have a controller connected to your computer at all? If not then I have no idea. Can try #h1-tech-support maybe.
weak swift
How many fights are there till you get to the next boss fight? Is it always the same number or does it change?
knotty epoch
From what i remember, 1st should be chamber 15; 2nd in chamber 25; 3rd chamber 36. Those may have been changed recently and may be plus or minus one depends
untold basin
Going into chaos rooms or infernal gates also increase the number. You can go to the west of Skelly and look over Tartarus and it will show your furthest reached room number there. I've seen completions be in the low 70's, but with enough chaos gates it can probably be pushed higher
Does anyone know if it is possible to get Multi Skewer Hammer with Guan Yu? I am guessing not as I have not seen it in 10+ runs. The wiki does not say it is an exclusive/exception either way, but is probably incomplete
raw matrix
In the lounge area of the House, there is a corkboard on the wall, with a poster of someone's head in the middle. I've noticed that sometimes, the head on the poster is different. Does this have any bearing on the next run, or is it just cosmetic and random?
This is what I mean
I've seen it be a woman before, too
knotty epoch
It's just cosmetic
proud orbit
@raw matrix it's randomly either ||thanatos or meg||
raw matrix
@proud orbit Right, that's who I thought they looked like! ||I thought maybe it could have been a signal of one of them showing up for sure.||
proud orbit
@raw matrix ||nah it appears it just changes randomly, but can't change within a couple of runs or something, not 100% sure||
raw matrix
Interesting! I like a little mystery
solar belfry
That one looks like dusa
Even though that's a little obvious
Hey uh, just a random question. Do you think they plan on releasing the code for the game for modders, or maybe even open it up to the steam workshop? Idk, just a fun idea.
tawny patio
Does anyone know if it is possible to get Multi Skewer Hammer with Guan Yu? I am guessing not as I have not seen it in 10+ runs. The wiki does not say it is an exclusive/exception either way, but is probably incomplete
@untold basin Yes, Guan Yu's Aspect is exclusive w/ Chain Skewer (new name of Multi Skewer).
livid cargo
@solar belfry they have said they are fine with people modding it, but i dont think we'll see workshop support or otherwise due to technical limitations
I believe so, falafel
brisk trail
any good builds for shield ?
its the only thing i have at 3 heat
the rest are over 10
tawny patio
Get the Chaos Aspect first, preferably at least level 3
tawny patio
Just go out and smash the shades. Use the Bull Rush + Throw combo as much as possible
tawny patio
Almost any god's boon on Special should work well with Chaos Aspect
raw matrix
did they ever specifically call it an employee of the month board or something?
might be able to estimate some passage of time by counting how many runs it takes to change
@feral sequoia
Ooh, really interesting!
velvet frigate
if you want a save chilly run, pick the shield and play safe, be patient with your attack, have atleast one deflect boon on you, i recommand athena's deflect dash, so that you can save your attack boon slot for other things.
*safe
coral axle
athena attack is enough imo
deep pivot
Itās yo boy, Zeppman, here delivering some feedback 
serene obsidian
To add to what @velvet frigate said.... once you get the timing down Athena dash is good pretty much regardless of weapon/build
analog elbow
@soft owl your suggestion would mean that no new conversations pop up after we die. This would take making the story progress so looong since the only way would be to beat Hades!
soft owl
Radish, how so?
It just encourages people to stick with bad rng to see things through and potentially save their run despite preconceived notions that something is already doomed.
That doesn't mean they are going to suddenly win every run, either.
One of the most boring ways you can play a game like Binding of Isaac is by looking up every item before you pick it up. Those bad items exist specifically to shake things up. Manipulating RNG doesn't make for a more enjoyable experience, you are just waiting for things to be what you want every time. Why not challenge yourself to try a new strategy or overcome the odds despite a setback?
soft owl
There's a site that is just a big sheet of all the items in BoI. If that's how you want to play, go for it.
trim surge
better, there's a mod that does the same thing within the game
it's never been an issue
soft owl
That seems like anti-fun to me but knock yourself out
trim surge
the game has enough items that you rarely have two similar runs
so you're taking the problem the wrong way
people eventually know what all items do
serene obsidian
@soft owl if it makes you feel better....I've seen a lot of suggestions that would make the game less Roguelike in feedback since early access launch over a year ago......SSG seems to pretty much ignore them
trim surge
it's just that there's enough variation in Isaac thanks to huge item pool
deep pivot
Shouldnāt this go to off topic? Lol
soft owl
The learning experience is part of why it works.
deep pivot
This is Hades, not BoI lol
jade grove
I mean
How about not suggesting things designed only to impose on how OTHER PEOPLE want to play the game?
serene obsidian
So while people can work real hard to try and "solve" the game, the development team isn't making the game "solveable"
jade grove
And not judging whether people want to keep going or throw or whatever
soft owl
I have. :)
trim surge
the learning experience in isaac is actually abysmal since descriptions are vague at best
hades in comparison is crystal clear
soft owl
And I didn't really intend it as an imposition so much as being a voice in the other direction when I saw many one way.
But I apologize you took it as such.
jade grove
I mean, it sounds like "punish a playstyle I dislike" or "don't add things for other people who enjoy other things".
deep pivot
Well, Iād say let SGG design the game as they intended. If they donāt want to be harsh with people who drop out of runs, so be it
jade grove
it's SGG, they love the concept of build your own challenge, any such features probably will and should be optional and not something you have to care about if your style is seeing everything through to the bitter end.
deep pivot
I agree
soft owl
I don't really appreciate being painted as the bad guy here.
But thanks.
I didn't ever say anything to imply it had to be my way exactly.
jade grove
No one's "painting you as the bad guy".
deep pivot
Sorry, but we werenāt meaning to make you look like that. We just want you to understand SGGās point of view
jade grove
Don't start playing the victim card like that one guy in gameplay for the last two days. I'm real sick of it.
trim surge
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soft owl
I just joined the channel yesterday as far as I remember so that means nothing to me, sorry.
deep pivot
Anyways, SGG will see your feedback regardless. Not to worry, they read all feedback and, if they share the sentiment , youāll see the change
soft owl
I'm just saying I never intended to come across as a "it has to be my way" sort of individual and actually tried quite hard to not.
So for the response of "well why don't you try not to impose" to come out sort of blindsided me
Since that sucks.
jade grove
It just came off as that because the wording of "don't add things to help people who do a thing"
soft owl
Yeah, you got me there.
jade grove
It's a lot like people saying "don't add easy mode" about games.
soft owl
Man, I'm disabled. I don't ever want people to be excluded.
trim surge
you'll learn the patterns in a whole 2 runs so it's kind of irrelevant
what an odd complaint
jade grove
Well, just be more careful, but no harm done
soft owl
Can we hug it out now
trim surge
if you're in your 10 first runs keep in mind that the game lies to you about difficulty
if you get the +50 health from mirror and 3x death defiance that amounts to 125+ extra health
jade grove
now, this is far more important feedback: Treat Dusa With Respect
no exceptions, not even shadowmom!
soft owl
I would but she keeps running from me immediately
soft owl
trim surge
took me 70+ runs to "unlock" Dusa
not because there's a specific requirement but because the game doesn't want you to rush the unlocks
jade grove
yeah, it's a slooow burn
I'm nowhere near, not even to the quest yet
but it's fun, she's just wholesome and overall great
shut plover
Does anyone ever feel bad for beating the crap out of skelly after a while?
jade grove
Nah, skeleton bro's doing his job and he's cool with it.
jade grove
Hey, he asks you to do it. It's informed consent!
He's a healthy, confident skeleton in control of his unlife. Best thing you can do is put your back into those swings, respect a guy who can take a fall.
deep pivot
Informef consent 
deep pivot
Thank you, RNG, for finally offering me Chaosā Legendary boon 
jade grove
nice.
urban wave
I felt weird beating skelly up at first but the way he talks back and lowkey tries to provoke zag makes me want to HIT HIM MORE 
but in a friendly way
jade grove
That's the idea!
He wants you to give it your all, he's having fun
I doubt he feels pain.
deep pivot
He has no nerves so nah
brisk trail
Why can Flurry Jab spawn on Aspect of Hades? All other weapons whose Aspects break a Hammer's functionality or whose Hammers break an Aspect's functionality are removed (Explosive Launcher on Achilles, Piercing Volley on Chiron), but not Flurry Jab on Hades.
jade grove
I mean, oversight, just like hazard bomb eris
brisk trail
Hazard doesn't technically remove Eris's function.
jade grove
Technically, it's suicidal
brisk trail
And you could just remove the throw from Achilles and simply make it a piercing charge attack, not unlike Bull Rush, which would then let you use Explosive Launcher while fixing Achilles's biggest problem, that being how vulnerable you are while throwing and waiting for the opportunity to Rush.
I didn't say it was good, just that it still worked.
jade grove
But also, it's really just an oversight, feedback post it
random sandal
How do you get more blood to upgrade the weapons?
brisk trail
Fulfill Heat bounties.
random sandal
How do I get those?
modern garnet
Have you beaten the final boss?
random sandal
No
sharp parcel
beat the first boss with all weapons
random sandal
God I spent the 2 blood I did have so poorly
sharp parcel
did you buy the Fated List of Prophecies upgrade?
random sandal
No
sharp parcel
consider doing so, it allows you gain various resources by completing certain tasks
strong heron
^
random sandal
Oh I have the list
trail void
ZeppMan with the knowledge
random sandal
I thought you meant there was an upgrade for the list
brisk trail
It's super fun at max level.
jade grove
It's good, yeah
brisk trail
Used to be meh, is good now
trail void
It takes some getting used to but you can use it in interesting ways.
trail void
I've been trying to get a technique down of throwing it out, recalling it but extending the time it's trailing behind me for. That was interesting with some Hermes boons.
modern garnet
Once you beat the final boss once the game opens up a bit and you can get more blood
brisk trail
As far as I can tell there is no penalty as to when you can throw or recall the Blitz Disc, so you could theoretically set up a macro and just hold down your Special key.
strong heron
it opens up later in the game
i'd say just keep trying
it took me a fair number of runs to beat the last boss
random sandal
Oh I def am
I had the golden run going last night and goofed it hard
Accidentally bought the wrong item and it left me 10 gold short of a Styx
modern garnet
Well, there's always more golden runs in front of you
random sandal
Ended up dying to theseus when he had like 2 hits left
With Minotaur down
Decided Iām taking half a day off to try and beat it today
So I can get it out of my head lol
strong heron
godspeed
random sandal
Any tips?
I feel like Iām probably missing some things that would make my life easier
split mauve
for Theseus, get behind pillars when he throws
then after his throw, he walks away for a little bit
that's when it's easiest to hit him
split mauve
I like doing that, but some people say not to take a boon keepsake first, to let the run have a little room to grow
random sandal
How do I get the keepsake that gives you bonus gold?