And gods. Clearly magic is a thing
Not to mention the invocations that Zagreus uses
#h1-discussion
fluid charm
echo quail
What do i have to do to get achilies to tell ne bout the spear aspect
kind trellis
i would guess that the last weapon will be range based. 3 melee weapons and 3 range weapons
wary citrus
dry rover
if u r puttin it this way, then we already have various skill
wary citrus
I agree that the difference between magic and god-related powers is foggy
echo sluice
I dunno, I think most games tend to have a bit more melee than ranged, and two of the weapons are ranged/melee hybrids anyway
vocal thorn
They could have something like Hecate's staff, which is somehow magic like
wary citrus
What about a whip?
fluid charm
Whip could be interesting
dry rover
was thinking about whip myself sitting here
but the problem is, that there is already alot of features in a game whip like
vocal thorn
and a lot of games with whip swords. games love those, because it combine the melee (sword form) and semi-long range (whip form)
fluid charm
Yeah spear does a lot of the mid-range combat stuff already, along with the all-around flail attack
wary citrus
Dead cells has interesting whip ideas
I remember one of them was like "deal crits if you hit enemies with the tip of your whip"
dry rover
hell no, im not pushing enemies on me
fluid charm
A magic staff could be a weaker melee with the additional ejection of projectiles
echo sluice
I'd like to see an aspect that lets you combine Spear and Shield for that classic hoplite style
vocal thorn
My only issue with a staff, is I'm not sure how it would be different from the spear, except not pointy
static wadi
@echo sluice Theseus approved this msg
dry rover
what else ranged might be?
echo sluice
A sling? Throwing knifes? They'd probably play too similar to bow and gun, respectively, though
fluid charm
Maybe dual daggers?
wary citrus
Throwing knives? You mean bloodstones?
echo sluice
Dual daggers could be both ranged and melee
wary citrus
you fools
They already gave us the sixth weapon
they are just developing the aspects
THE FISHING POLE
static wadi
opaque nexus
Guan yu is so fun
dry rover
ah w8 what was the name of a weapon with which some myth related hero was using: a rock in a string
dry rover
im not native. so i cant really explain
wary citrus
send a link to an image in your language
vocal thorn
um, David from the bible had a sling (the old type, that you spin around in a circle)
wary citrus
Oh, you mean the rock yoyos
dry rover
sling probably
vocal thorn
yeah, that's what the old slings looked like
dry rover
there is myth about this weapon, where some tiny dude defeated big one in what was it in greeks?
brisk trail
someone can help me? Megaera appear in my room but after that i can't give her ambrosia
what shoud i do now?
echo sluice
No, you're thinking of the bible one
fluid charm
David and Goliath
vocal thorn
erm, there was Odysseus and the cyclops, but that was actually a spear
echo sluice
The Holy Bibble
wary citrus
@brisk trail you done goofed son, you friendzoned grill
dry rover
pardon, holy bible
wary citrus
@brisk trail jokes aside you can only give those people 3 ambrosia each iirc
brisk trail
but she dont accept my ambrosia
dry rover
so my bet is one gauntlets\boots combo or Francisca like axe as the last weapon
fluid charm
I'm just happy to see what it'll be and what the final aspects of each of the arms will be
static wadi
i still bet on Scyth
wary citrus
I wonder if the guan yu aspect was just because chinese new year or if they really want to mix with other cultures' stories/mythologies
dry rover
btw even if i dont really like guan yu aspect itself, i really like path they choose. that they r supporse to be from diffrent cultures than greeks
fluid charm
@wary citrus I'm thinking a bit of both
I suppose in that case you could look at different cultures to see what legendary weapons drift around
wary citrus
Swords obviously have a lot of legendary stories, but I wonder what they're gonna do for the other ones
dreamy storm
Anyone think that the Spear’s spin Attack is kinda hard to pull off? I always get hit mid-charging up
I’m a sucker for the max spin though
wary citrus
Yeah both the sword and spear special feel really bad to use without hammer upgrades
uneven copper
literally everyone thinks the spin is too hard to pull off
it charges for too long just to launch it let alone charge to max
dreamy storm
Yea the special just seems... specially useless?
fluid charm
That's why the speed-up upgrade for the spear makes it a lot more useable
wary citrus
OUCH
dreamy storm
Even with the hammer upgrades
fluid charm
The special is probably made best with Achilles' aspect in my opinion?
wary citrus
Oh right, the spear aoe and the yeet are different things
fluid charm
It provides movement which is always helpful
wary citrus
For a moment I thought the spear aoe was the special lol
uneven copper
yeah for sure. its plus its 3rd attack is rough even on normal. basically i hate everything about that aspect except for the concept
you just cant pull anything of value off
in my unskilled opinion
wary citrus
Maybe unskilled, maybe just playstyle preference
uneven copper
maybe. but the swords upgrade that changes you to lifesteal grants lifesteal with basic attachs
wary citrus
Generally I don't like things that have long cast animations/backswing
uneven copper
that is vastly different from a spin move that takes 3 seconds of immobility to cast
wary citrus
yeah lol a second and a half in a game this chaotic feels like forever
uneven copper
if it were lifesteal on dash attack i'd be more happy, plus that's more the fighting style of guan yu anyway
right no kidding. 1 second against hades is likely going to kill you in 5 moves or less
dreamy storm
Lol first time I made it to Hades yesterday. Still had 2 revives and I thought I got this but then he face melted me
28?
I’m not sure what’s the benchmark here
hexed smelt
This is a spoiler-free channel, y'all, please take it to spoilers or gameplay or else use ||spoiler tags||
uneven copper
srry
vocal thorn
I sort of wish this channel would be renamed to hades-spoilerfree. It's been a few months, and it's still not super clear to people that this channel is the spoiler free channel
hexed smelt
it's in the description at the top, but nobody ever reads those
dreamy storm
I’m sorry
static wadi
Hades-Spoilerfree-Discussion
dry rover
when i just started climbing heat gouge i was thinkin butterfly is the option, here i am at 19 heat, i dont think so anymore
always picking chaos as the first keepsake
static wadi
chos?
dry rover
ma bad
static wadi
i mostly dont use egg
cus sometimes it's just useless
i start run with coins
check 1st room
and look for boons
after that i surrender
and pick god trinket
for my build
dry rover
i myself just made a conclusion that im anyway goin chaos portal once its appear, so why would i dmg myself when thats not necessasery
dry rover
yeah was using surrender option b4 thinkin thats the way, then i become lazy doin so, so im not anymore
im not sure, but for me itss always appearing
anyway im just holding it first and second biome
dry rover
depends, but more like 2-4 times till elisium
summer palm
@mellow talon They DO give you a certain boon of theirs once a biome. Except for Demeter's currently, which I am assuming is a bug
dry rover
@summer palm report it
summer palm
I did, and threw it in feedback
mellow talon
Oh, did that get changed?
summer palm
Technically, none of the keepsakes SAY they give you a boon, they just DO it. So I did both, in case it was for some reason intended
mellow talon
Nah it's giving me "Expired" if I try to switch back to it
I switched off it for Asphodel
hexed smelt
yeah, you can't change back to a keepsake you used before in a run
mellow talon
H-uh
summer palm
I think it's to prevent abuse of Skelly's Tooth and the Coin Purse
formal mortar
bloodstone can be unreachable in the hades fight if it drop in the lower area, is anyone aware of this ?
summer palm
They are. It's been dropped in feedback for a while now
Bloodstones getting lost all over the place
formal mortar
feelsbadman
mellow talon
Man I'm having a deadly run right now
Maxed Zag aspect on the Rail, plus Dionysus' poison attacks, with the Daedalus upgrade that gives 6 extra ammo and faster firing
formal mortar
especially with hera aspect since you can shoot out of the arena too
rail's rocket feels like a cast on special xd
otherwise the rail's attack lock u in place too much for my taste
summer palm
Oh hey, just double checked... They changed it apparently, it does indeed say that your next boon will be from the god. So yeah, straight bug. ...How long has I been since I actually read those keepsakes I wonder
static wadi
eh 6:00 time to go at work... GL everyone have success and be RNG on ur side
wind rivet
Had a really strong rail run with Zeus/Demeter. Ive been trying to only take 2 gods each run and go deeper with them and Im doing a lot better
steady cargo
hey everyone just picked this game up for myself and super excited to try it
just a quick question
controller or mouse and keyboard?
fluid charm
I've played with a mouse and keyboard this entire time and I've had no issues
hexed smelt
personally i much prefer a controller!
it all comes down to what you're more comfortable with, i suppose
fluid charm
^^
steady cargo
Yeah totally. Hahah I just didn't want to get too comfortable with one and find out there's a more optimal method
When I switched from undermine controller to mouse and keyboard I had a rough go of it
Thanks for the advice though!
hexed smelt
i would say that a KBM setup has a slight advantage in that it's easier to aim specific attacks with it, but honestly it is just a case of whatever works best for you and your hands
steady cargo
cool beans, I think I'll give controller a go first.
agile saddle
I prefer controller since u don't have camera control. not like this is an FPS
real rampart
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, does anyone know how/if Blizzard Shot interacts with Hera aspect?
half marsh
I've done nearly 30 runs and still haven't seen demeter do I need to beat the game
hybrid girder
I encountered her after I reached the last level of the dungeon
half marsh
Ok haven't been there yet
vale quail
the description of the skillz BossDamageTraits from poseidon is all write in lorem ipsum
languid wing
soft cove
Wheres the ingame bug reporter
flat vapor
f10!
iron seal
has anyone else have there codex info stay up on ur screen until u leave the room? I mean the text only not the background?
{and it wont close when u try}
soft cove
Thanks
echo tangle
I wish there was a custom mode so I could remove tisiphone from the game. Totally ruins a run when I get her, instant give up
agile saddle
She is irritating but none of the sisters are that hard
Alecto is probably the easiest cause she dies to spike traps
echo tangle
well I can't into that fight for some reason
agile saddle
How are u losing to her? Dodge at the start so she doesn't stun you
Most weps have a way to clear her ranged attack
echo tangle
yeah someone gave me tips the other day, I just can't deal with her attack patterns. would rather just not have her in the game 
bold dome
Tisiphone's fun. I suggest doing a few runs with Athena's dash boon. That way you can get used to the attack patterns without constant suffering.
agile saddle
She has her dash forward stun. The air whip move like Meg and the dash that shoots the little things out. When she spins and shoots out the bats use your special if u don't have deflect Athena
wide dock
I feel like I've played for hours and hours but apparently I only played for 2 lol
echo tangle
heck, I can even do damageless hydra consistently now that it's shorter
wide dock
just wanted to say I've played a lot of action roguelites, pretty much anything that came out I played. 100%'d some of them too
if the quality of this doesn't take a dive, which I don't think it will because these devs are trustworthy, then this is by far the best one
livid cargo
bold dome
I hate Alecto's blade rift summons with a burning passion. Why do you hate me, Ares??? I've given you so much ambrosia. I mean nectar.
bold dome
Everything in this game looks so good~
agile saddle
I don't think the sisters have connections to the gods like that. She just throws out giant spinning blades. They are even a different color then Ares' ones
bold dome
Are they? I didn't notice since they always spawn right on top of me and then I panic. xD I should probably try another ranged weapon run at one point.
agile saddle
The one she summons are blue with like a red gem looking thing in the center whereas the ones that spawn from Ares are black and red
bold dome
Huh. I could've sworn they were red in the beginning.
kind shard
i know it didn't happen in this channel, but big thanks to whoever told me about the noclip docs for this game. that was great.
strong gust
it has most likely been answered already, but how do i unlock the guan yu eternal spear? i got to elysium but haven't gone past it yet. do i need to get to the next area before i unlock it?
rotund finch
I think you need a few aspects first, then talk the Achilles?
strong gust
hmm
i gave achilles like 6 or so of the orange things (forgot the name) and i've beat the bull dude a few times but idk how to get it
i'm thinking that i might have to make a new save ?
rotund finch
You get it from Achilles, he tells you ||about a vision he had from the spear about a future welder then next time you open the aspect menu zag actives it|| to get him to tell you about it though I've seen people say that you need a few aspects already
strong gust
ah ok
is there an easy way to get more of the blood things after you get a bunch after beating meg with all the weapons?
i used all of mine already
rotund finch
Not really till you beat the final boss, the only other ways are through heat and bounties, the final boss drops one, and trading
south violet
the offers are static, except for one at the bottom
it will be marked with a little hourglass
paper stirrup
does anyone feel that the boons offered in styx temple are super random, with no synergy with your existing boons equipped? I've done several runs recently that offer other random gods in the temple of styx
unborn spoke
i think everything is RNG
tender tulip
When it comes to the paths I kinda feel that way, though sometimes I'll have 1 or 2 paths with familiar gods on them
and if not there, maybe 1 in the shop
strong gust
do i have to get past elysium to be able to give achilles another nectar? i gave him 6 and i cant give him anymore
rotund finch
The hearts with clocks on them which I believe is what he has now, are there to show what's in development, so as of now, he's maxed out
heady burrow
Did the final boss get buffed in the last major update?
paper stirrup
don't think so....final boss still the same
heady burrow
I've beaten him before a few times and now all he does is delete my runs
rotund finch
I think its cause of the boon price increase, and some of the nerfs, so when your getting to him your a bit weaker?
strong gust
how do i unlock the fishing rod
i dont see it in the renovations
idk if it's supposed to be there but yeah
tender tulip
It'll show up in renovations eventually
don't know if there's a certain unlock condition for that but it should show up
atomic rover
@heady burrow Final Boss: various changes to attack patterns; resolved issues where cover sometimes did not work reliably against ranged attacks
rotund finch
If I had to guess conditions, do you think you would need to have beaten the final boss? Cause it does just give gems/keys mostly right? Other then that I dont know why they would lock it out for any reason? It seems weird that It would have requirements
And that explains a lot with the final boss LOL
plush dagger
those changes were specifically made so you can't just ''autopilot'' the last fight and just hit him without caring about damage
but most attacks are telegraphed so its a bit harder but also more fun
lapis flame
does fishing not work properly for anyone else?
seems like no matter when i hit the bobber i dont catch anything
gritty pelican
are you doing it when the bobber actually goes underwater and their is a little sparkle or just when it bobs up and down in the water
devout plinth
New final boss is way better but those pillars are still difficult to hide behind :(
bold dome
No, that would be #h1-tech-support I believe.
brisk trail
or 
in game 
craggy quest
the problem is the report in game says to do it in the specirfic context
and hades CTDed
the run was baleeted
dapper flume
Wait...
You can hide behind the pillars?
I literally stood behind one and the laser went straight through so I thought you had to dash dodge the whole thing
hard cedar
The area where you are safe behind the pillars is sorta janky due to the isometric camera.
It's tough to see, but it is there.
The easiest spot to hide behind is on the left, there is a small corner there where you can hide from all the lasers.
tiny dust
yeah, what makes it worse is the way the lasers rotate, so when you actually notice the pillar blocking it, it adds to the deception because you pay attention to the direction the laser is pointing, but it already moved; then you stand in the wrong place and the next laser hits you
gets me every time for at least a tick
safe sand
Does slowdown only affect the movement of mobs or also their attack speed?
jolly haven
I think it's both but I'm not certain
it definitely has an effect on attack speed
movespeed is the one I'm not certain of
soft cove
Alright I think I just finished with the most broken build I have ever played/seen
I literally phase changed the final boss every 3-4 seconds
Including his invicibility phases in that timing
shut plover
I would just like to send love to my boy Dionysus, the art and personality is just...
brisk trail
i support this motion
true fern
Has there been any discussion on skipping Zag death animation?
shut plover
I personally like the death animation, kinda gives you time to say all the naughty words from the dictionary.
true fern
I just wanna get out of there asap, and forget about it ever happening
Also, shouldn't Meg's big whip attack have a white circle warning like the other bosses' big spinny attacks?
burnt breach
@true fern I can do that
true fern
Ah
How do mods even work in Hades? Is there official support for it?
Anyway, would be amazing ❤️
burnt breach
not official support, but they made the game so it is easy to mod
true fern
Cool
burnt breach
modding discord in #self-promotion
true fern
What kinda files do you edit while modding? Lua scripts? Binary executables?
burnt breach
lua scripts
well that was very easy to do
wait a bit im making a gif
@true fern https://imgur.com/Iamnjux
true fern
Lol love the suddenness of it
true fern
Haha yeah suppose so 😄
burnt breach
alright wait a bit gonna publish it on nexusmods
burnt breach
yeah just disabling death scene
hidden heath
i need to ask because i wouldn't know where else to ask this
is there a possible Switch port in the future
hidden heath
roguelites/likes generally seem to do really well as switch ports
sharp parcel
devs mentioned before that they are absolutely interested in porting the game, but only once it is complete
burnt breach
@true fern published, link in #self-promotion
sharp parcel
though, considering the development schedule, Hades might end up landing on next gen consoles
upper gale
Bastion and Transistor have physical releases so I see no reason why Hades wouldn't get one in the future
true fern
@burnt breach Cool, thanks!
burnt breach
at your service 
sharp parcel
yeah, something like that
Nintedo's always slow in that regard
and I don't really see how a physical release would be relevant
hidden heath
tbh all nin has to do is keep what they did right with the Switch and work out it's many flaws
sharp parcel
don't all consoles have fully functional digital store fronts?
burnt breach
digital version removes true ownership of a product
its just a license to download said product
thats why many still prefer physical
sharp parcel
don't see how that's relevant again, considering the physical version still needs to be tied to an account on some platform, with some exceptions
like GOG, that provides installers for games
sand stump
Is it just me? Or the auto aim seem off?
Every now and then it try to aim a random pot or column, not the actual mob
sharp parcel
with a gamepad?
sand stump
Xbow controller for me
sharp parcel
I've seen that on some streams, too
upper gale
It doesn't? You can still play your physical games on several different consoles while the digital one is locked to one.
dreamy storm
Once this releases on consoles, would there be cross save?
near canopy
i just spent 2 titan blood on a weapon upgrade and it didnt upgrade but took the blood?
stiff summit
How good is the lambent plume?
vocal thorn
I think people use the plume when they're goofing off, but I don't think anyone uses it seriously
you would probably be committing to wearing the plume the entire run, because if you remove the plume, you remove the bonus
near canopy
How do I unlock shady companion
sly portal
I use the plume seriously 😅 I find it good especially with the chaos shield
near canopy
I’ve given Sisyphus 5 nectar
sly portal
Yikesu desu
vocal thorn
Personally, I'd like to be able to use the plume sometimes, because if I'm stuck at default speed, and the enemies are at +50% speed, some things can get a bit complicated to dodge
you have to keep talking to people until you get the next part of Sistphyus' quest. It's totally random, I think
knotty epoch
give him as much as you can
vocal thorn
I think a lot of those "quests" are super random. One of the other ones, it was like a week of real time, before I got someone else's "quest"
knotty epoch
and talk to him as much as you can
vocal thorn
you know you're somewhat close, when you are asked to talk to the boulder
sly portal
I don't know these quests you refer to but I look forward to them.
sly portal
Sounds like Bouldy is my husband to be, then
vocal thorn
I sort of want to use the mort companion, but some of the things I'd really want to use it on (e.g. EX pink globe mini-boss or EX demigorgon miniboss) teleport around so randomly, that I'm not sure how to connect with Mort's attack
calm hawk
Is it just me or does wave pounding look kinda weak
vocal thorn
I haven't seen it yet, because the game doesn't want to offer it to me
It was kind of like, when everyone was talking about how cool exit wounds was, and I'd rarely see it, even if I was trying to actually find it
I've picked Poseidon a lot, on purpose, because rupture still works on bosses, and most of the boss fights include trash mobs anyway
vocal thorn
and being able to melt the trash mobs on boss fights can make things a lot easier
dapper flume
Opinions on easiest spear vs sword aspect?
Gotta get a win tonight with one of them before I hit the hay.
near canopy
How do u get the fishing rod
regal schooner
Buy it from the ghost dude who sells all the hall upgrades etc @near canopy
buoyant girder
who gives the keepsake under thanatos?
oop nevermind
i know who
@dapper flume poseidon sword is great
dapper flume
Yeah ended up choosing that one
But think its a bit OP
Got the crit shot from artemis and was just hitting for 900+ for each of them..
brisk trail
Hello Team Supergiant.
@zealous timber
I had to refund Hades because there was no tutorial, and there is a bind even discriminatingly set to 'boon info'.
So I slammed my head on the keyboard to find the keys to know what does what.
But my biggest issue was that if you look in the direction of your enemy using your keyboard e.g up and left, you attack and your stance is changed to facing to the right. That's inacceptable.
Therefore, I refunded.
brittle iris
i appreciate how cancelling sword special's animation with a dash causes it to do the damage right at the end of hte dash
vocal thorn
other weapons can benefit from that too
Like, dash attacking with the spear, makes it so you can charge the spin faster
because the spear's dash attack is faster than its normal attack
brittle iris
interesting
i also happen to have hammer and athena buffing my special so im playing with only my left hand
empty lion
why do I always met Poseidon/Dionysus/Demeter even though I don't need their boons at all?
brittle iris
unlucky rng
unless you happen to be closing the game every time you see these boons
empty lion
no
brittle iris
just your rng then
brittle iris
i get most boons in my runs ¯_(ツ)_/¯
just use a keepsake for a god you want and hope rng works i guess
vocal thorn
I'm sometimes not picky, as long as I can get two status ailments (marked doesn't count)
empty lion
I changed the lua file so I can reroll rooms infinitely
vocal thorn
Dio, at least, has his status ailment in his base boons, and doesn't need to unlock them with a second boon
empty lion
and they just keep showing up
vocal thorn
I'm not sure if it's valid to complain that the game doesn't work nicely when modded?
buoyant girder
if you can infinitely reroll why even complain
brittle iris
i had someone say something like that before
empty lion
Because this trick used to work out well
brittle iris
rerolling gave the same rooms
it seems that rooms have a limited pool to reroll every time
so you probably only have like 4 different rooms, so spamming reroll isnt as effective
empty lion
But it's like from yesterday, I keep meeting Dio, Pos, and Dem(Sometimes Zeus)
vocal thorn
I mean like, that's half the gods
empty lion
I was thinking if the devs had changed the rules of rerolling
vocal thorn
It's entirely possible the rules were changed, to purposely try to dilute the builds people are trying to make
brisk trail
maybe this game gets good when it's out of early access. But to take cash for it at this point I can't comprehend.
brittle iris
it could probably just be you experiencing a frequency illusion
you get most boons during your runs, and you dont like a portion of them
vocal thorn
like, if you pick a god keepsake, the game might constantly offer replacement boons for that slot, knowing you hand-picked that boon for your build
buoyant girder
game is great what are you even saying lol
empty lion
For example, I started one run wishing to get the Pos and Dem cast bulid. Everything went well until I got to the Temple of Styx, I changed my keepsake for Artemis, and guess what, I get only one Arte boon this whole level
brittle iris
but you remember the ones you dislike the most, and yo notice them the most
unique river
I got it for 8$ and after playing it for 50 hours I'd say it's worth a lot more @brisk trail
vocal thorn
keepsake only works once, for chances for finding
buoyant girder
sounds like a case of mad cuz bad to me
vocal thorn
it's done that for a while
brittle iris
@brisk trail you need to give more information as to why you are so unhappy
unique river
Looks like an issue with the controls
buoyant girder
he posted a letter to the devs earlier
brittle iris
oh yeah that
unique river
if only he knew he can see the keybinds in the settings
brittle iris
i mean
vocal thorn
At it seems like, if the game is offering a non-hermes, non-chaos, non-infernal god choice, then your god's keepsake will make that god be one of the choices
brisk trail
@unique river yes, but I had to find it out. That's bad UX.
brittle iris
you can see keybinds in settings in every game
vocal thorn
(but after you get a boon from that god, that part of the keepskae stops working for the rest of the game)
brisk trail
@brittle iris no, you can't in every game.
brittle iris
**most
unique river
I agree that they SHOULD teach you the controls, but the game has a total of like 10 buttons...
brisk trail
Why the heck is the character not staying in the walk position when you attack? e.g up left
brittle iris
still not hard to get used to controls if you played a few games with m&b before
empty lion
yeah I know, maybe my poor English cannot speak out well, I was just saying that I used to feel if I want to achieve a certain build, what mattered most was the hammer and Hermes. But from yesterday, it all changed. Now even getting the boon I want is becoming harder and harder because Pos, Dio and Dem just keep showng up
unique river
are you using your mouse to aim where you want to attack or just relying on directional keys?
buoyant girder
took me all of 5 seconds to learn the controls
unique river
can't do it like that bud
vocal thorn
I didn't think the game supported keyboard only?
brisk trail
then the game is trash, sorry.
brittle iris
how the frick
brisk trail
if it doesn't support the main device, the keyboard, and assistive mouse as support, then it's not my game.
unique river
hey I uninstalled hollow knight after half an hour because of the opposite reason 
game didn't have mouse support
vocal thorn
what game have you played recently, that's even remotely similar to this game, that can be keyboard only
brittle iris
keyboards and mice are just as important
fringe pond
Do you use keyboard as the only input source to work with your PC?
Honestly sounds just like child's whining nothing more
brisk trail
@fringe pond yes but sometimes I must use a mouse because some dumb developer didn't add support for it because they don't know the principles of interaction design.
brittle iris
i mean
brisk trail
I'm just raging
brittle iris
it makes sense for platformers i guess
brisk trail
I may should tone it down too
vocal thorn
what roguelite works keyboard only?
fringe pond
Imagine using keyboard in the game where you must aim with some weapons to hit stuff
buoyant girder
guys im using an xbone controller without thumbsticks and i'm having a hard time moving
fringe pond
The only games which use only keyboard are mostly console hack-n-slash ports
Like DMC and stuff
And even they use mouse nowadays
Or maybe platformers
brittle iris
i think its just that the mouse is really important
and as long as the game design allows it, a mouse adds way more function to something
unique river
Hollow Knight only has keyboard controls, for example
vocal thorn
hollow knight is a platform game
unique river
No mouse, so either play with a controller or don't play at all lol
brittle iris
binding of isaac lets you play with only keyboard
brisk trail
I think that the mouse should be used after the keyboard support has been implemented and the game is entirely playable already.
buoyant girder
rogue legacy is more platformer focused though
brittle iris
but why do you want to play without a mouse so desperately
buoyant girder
isometric games generally need mouse to function
vocal thorn
aiming projectiles in binding of issac is horrible though
brittle iris
^
fringe pond
Yeah its hard to implement precise aiming with keyboard only, since there is a input max on keyboard
unique river
is it tied to where you're moving?
brittle iris
in isaac you aim (and shoot) with arrow keys
buoyant girder
if you're not using a controller in boi what are you even doing
sharp parcel
winning
unique river
that is the EXACT reason I didn't like hollow knight
vocal thorn
in issac, if you wanted to angle a shot, you had to like bump your character is a direction, and hope the shot sort of angles a bit in that direction
unique river
feels so horrible to have aim and movement tied in one
fringe pond
I've tried making my PS3 controller work on PC but for some reason one of the sticks always inputs "UP" command
Not sure what's wrong with that
sharp parcel
what were you aiming in HK?
buoyant girder
i had to use some custom program when i tried using a ps3 controller on pc
way easier to just get an xbox controller imo
fringe pond
Yeah its same, but maybe my controller is broken
unique river
not necessarily aiming, just not being able to move to the right and attack up/left, for an example
vocal thorn
I don't think any moves in hollow knight are aimed. Everything seems tied to whatever direction the character is facing
which is literally only 2 directions
brittle iris
yea i dislike that
unique river
4
brittle iris
i think thats what makes mouse so important in things like an fps or moba
it lets you do multiple things at once
so if i move backwards i can attack the enemy at the same time
sharp parcel
you just can't get the same level of precision with a gamepad as you get with a mouse
provided the game actually makes use of it
vocal thorn
and there are a lot of games, where I don't want top shoot the direction my character is facing. I can't imagine playing Gungeon, if I can't move away from something, and shoot it at the same time
brittle iris
aight so you need to move and aim in a game with anything ranged
unique river
even with melee attacks
brisk trail
Maybe someday you can use your eyes or another feature of your body to replace the mouse.
Mousing is way more likely to give you RSI, too. There are EyeTracker, but unfortunately they aren't capturing eyes of darker color properly.
They used to be worse, but they get slowly in the right direction...
unique river
imagine dashing to the left of an enemy in hades and wanting to hit him with the dash attack
brittle iris
with sword special you cant really move using it so its ok, if you get what i mean
buoyant girder
at this point i'm mainly interested in why you seem to hate mice so much
fringe pond
So you attack the way your mouse looking but dash in a way you input on keyboard
unique river
you CAN, but imagine the direction you attack is tied to the direction of where you're moving
fringe pond
Oh yeah
vocal thorn
I'm not sure if hollow knight is even a good example though. It has so much precise platforming at some points, that it would be awful to play if you aren't using a controller
sharp parcel
no?
brittle iris
ok now this is just becoming a platform war
sharp parcel
I can tell you, having played through with a keyboard and mouse, that it was absolutely fine
brittle iris
consoles vs keyboard and mouse vs keyboard
buoyant girder
not really, nobody brought up consoles
unique river
I wasn't, but it doesn't really excuse the devs not making kbm controls better
buoyant girder
you can use controllers on pc
vocal thorn
You can do the path of pain with a keyboard?
brittle iris
*input, not platform i worded it wrong
sharp parcel
haven't done the pantheon tho
brisk trail
@buoyant girder Where I work people create click-only websites if we wouldn't be there.
Therefore - also not following tab order, logical order, semantical relationship etc.
Those people are responsible for excluding a HUGE amount of people. It impacts healthy users also tremendously.
vocal thorn
(path of pain was optional)
brittle iris
my eyes are ok
brittle iris
from what i know myopia is mostly inherited
brisk trail
@buoyant girder even recently some guy got angry because they have to implement keyboard support.
brittle iris
i really dont see why you would just not get used to holding a mouse
sharp parcel
I thought it was just a reference to Super Meat Boy
because it was basically an SMB sequence, in HK
vocal thorn
It was, but like that would take an unnecessarily high amount of keyboard skills to do, right?
brittle iris
mightaswell just use a controller
sharp parcel
you just press buttons
same as on a gamepad
tho, my fingers did hurt after
because it was a real pain and took numerous attempts
but hey, woulda been the same with a gamepad
vocal thorn
uhhhhhh
sharp parcel
come now, you didn't get through on the 1st try, or 2nd
you died a lot
and went to change your trinkets
same as everyone
brisk trail
@brittle iris Tremor (can hit anybody anytime), motoric problems is given for many people at birth or due to conditions
Mousing Builds a injury called RSI
A mouse is really inefficient.
And even as healthy person, why would I want to move my hands away from the keyboard just to mouse? Especially if your keyboard is really wide, it annoys.
vocal thorn
I did, but it also didn't cause finger issues, because the controller is much more ergonomic for that type of stuff
sharp parcel
I have a $15 membrane keyboard
brittle iris
takes me less than a second to go from typing to moving my mouse
sharp parcel
those keypresses really bite into your flesh
reckon with a soft mechanical the experience would've been a much more pleasant one
brittle iris
i think the mouse is really important because it adds a precise control option to your computer, if you understand what i mean
vocal thorn
I have a mouse with like 10 buttons, so when I have to keyboard and mouse, I usually try to keybind macros into the extra mouse buttons, so that I don't need two hands for the keyboard
buoyant girder
mechanical is definitely the way to go
sharp parcel
only 5 on mine
unique river
...if you want to keep your neighbourhood up till 3am
brittle iris
with a keyboard you cant control a mouse and go from the left to the right of your screen, you would have to select something and slide all the way through like on a controller
sharp parcel
I just can't bring myself to splurge a hundo on a keyboard, I dunno
buoyant girder
you don't need to slam the keys, they'll register like halfway down
brisk trail
@unique river that's only for mx blue and not for mx brown when you can touch type it's pretty silent.
sharp parcel
as to Hades, it's good with kb n m
vocal thorn
Some keyboards have an "extra loud clicking noise" feature
sharp parcel
except for the 2nd boss
unique river
you're a bit of a literalist
sharp parcel
just can't hit the heads with anything ranged without autoaim on
the camera also zooms in and out between different rooms
unique river
seriously though, I haven't seen a mechanical keyboard that isn't obnoxiously loud, especially at night
sharp parcel
brown switches are silent
brittle iris
i also dont see there ever being a reliable alternative for a mouse, since you seem to dislike it so much @brisk trail
sharp parcel
plus, you can put rings under the caps
brittle iris
i dont have enough control over my eyes to click or right click on something
it just looks at things
sharp parcel
just gotta do proper research before you jump in
buoyant girder
besides excessive keyboard use can lead to carpal tunnel 00
near canopy
Any tips for fighting the Minotaur boss?
brittle iris
dash a lot fighting the bull of minos
brisk trail
@brittle iris In the medical sector / building sector they are soon using eye-tracking because they can't touch the device because of smudges/hygiene reasons.
sharp parcel
@near canopy on his own or with his buddy?
sharp parcel
bull, always
brittle iris
i prefer targeting the bull
vocal thorn
If you have a Best Buy / Future Store / whatever store that sells keyboards, you should try clicking the Razer Ornata keyboard. It has extra louding clicking technology
buoyant girder
way easier to kill the bull first
knotty epoch
"Have you tried uhh, I don't know not getting hit?" - Hypnos
near canopy
I’ve really nothing to deal with shield
brittle iris
once his buddy is low on health he spams the ranged attacks so you have to focus on dodging those and fighting the bull
vocal thorn
eventually, you can learn the timing for the spear throw, and dash dodge it to the side
unique river
spear boy is a bit of a *** to focus down first
brittle iris
its really easy to just focus on dodging his attacks after you beat the bull
buoyant girder
hypnos a turd and i love him
brittle iris
and you can block his spear by standing behind a pillar
near canopy
I also have bad upgrades for dodge
brittle iris
as for the bull, he usually charges or jumps at me after he does his swings
unique river
you don't need upgrades
brittle iris
hes pretty vulnerable after the combo and during the swings if you are ranged or are behind him
for dashes you just need double dash from mirror to do anything, gives you two chances
unique river
single dash is pain
near canopy
Ok g
minor hornet
Idea: pact of funishment
buoyant girder
what weapon are you using anyway
near canopy
Sword
minor hornet
not sure what else it would have in it besides big head mode it's a work in progress
near canopy
Basic one
brittle iris
@pine sapphire i think i kinda get what you mean, but if such problems arise i dont think videogames would be so fun, since you usually need the fine controls a mouse has, I can for example click multiple times per second on something like a gun that shoots as fast as you click, but with something like eyes you can blink and move them, and if its a first person shooter you are playing you sometimes want to look away from where you are aiming
near canopy
K thanks XD
I have two revives still and like 70 health left so I should be decent enough
brittle iris
yea just stay close to pillars so his buddy cant hit you
then its almost just a rematch against minotaur
once you beat him its down to dodging spears, making sure you get to hit when the shield is down or dashing behind him and running away when he summons big circles
@pine sapphire if you have issues playing games with a mouse then I understand wanting full keyboard compatibility but thats just a rough thing to implement in most games, so youre restricted to a few top-down games and platformers/fighting games, it really just hinders you a lot. It's like asking for a wall to support yourself on for a race so you can do it with only one leg, its possible, it would probably help a bit, but its not really worth doing if its optional
near canopy
K thanks for all the advice 🙂
buoyant girder
railgun + swift flourish + rocket bomb = TACTICAL NUKE INBOUND
brittle iris
railgun with triple bomb is broken
unique river
5 bombs with ares special 
brittle iris
i beat big boss ||(8th letter of the alphabet)|| with a triple rocket rail that also had boons buffing its damage
buoyant girder
my first win against that boss was good ol chaos shield
lotta poison and me scampering about
warm anchor
same
unique river
now im addicted to privileged status
brittle iris
i dont like how shield feels so i never tired a run with it
but i beat the game with first zagreus spear
the 60% attack range (i think) with a dash build
buoyant girder
shield feels awful vs skelly but damn it's so good
brittle iris
can i deflect the skulls he throws at me
unique river
you can also sit in the lasers
knotty epoch
yes you can deflect his skulls
brittle iris
i lost a revive because i tried to use cover
to the left
and i had no way of knowing if i was behind it or not
i just realized the trail from dashes on hades are from him dragging his left leg
what are those shoes made of
alright broker ill just give you 2 keys for 20 gems
unique river
then spent 20 gems for 2 keys
brittle iris
yep
buoyant girder
if i have a fishing spot in first room of tartarus and i mess up i restart
every time
viscid flicker
same, but i keep having demeter at the start and having to play the nectar giving scene
cosmic heart
narrow karma
link oopsed?
opaque nexus
Guan yu gang
cosmic heart
This combo Germes with Demetra cast is very strong
flat vapor
guan yu gang
safe sand
Are planning to add new weapons to the game? Maybe a whip, blades, heavy hellish gloves and stuff like that? 🤔
minor hornet
one more weapon planned, next major update
flat vapor
^
flat vapor
we're not sure what it is yet though, no word on that
my theory is that it's a third ranged weapon
minor hornet
in the lower right on the main menu you can selecct "roadmap" to see what they're working on
I don't know what it is, but my personal guess is a short range continuous damage weapon
halcyon cypress
Short range continuous damage? Rail gun?
safe sand
Well, yes, but it probably doesn’t indicate everything that is planned in the future as a whole, including updates after the release. Maybe some ideas are being considered that have yet to be approved for the announcement.
halcyon cypress
My guess is staff/specter that fires a beam projectile similar to demeter cast
Maybe u can hold to charge to fire a bigger wider beam
safe sand
For example, the same whip could ideally fit into the game. There are no weapons like this yet
buoyant girder
i'd like some kind of caestus
buoyant girder
grats
safe sand
Today passed the first phase of Hades, but someday I will overcome him
dreamy roost
Congrats, Nekuma. First time best time
safe sand
Time does not matter. The main thing to go through )
Well, depending on what attempt
I have 12 escape attempts, and have already half killed the main boss. I think this is not bad. Soon I have to finish it off.
Maybe on attempt 15 🤔
lament hare
near canopy
There a post directly above talking about it
And i think everyone knows it’s gonna happen
minor hornet
it's an unwritten rule that the final boss is definitely cerberus
flat nimbus
@cosmic heart Goof job ! 🙂
radiant dune
is there a plce wehre i can read up on the hades storyline? havent followed it in the game tbh
carmine pecan
oh
i beat the game without a pact of punishment
the ending when that happened was kinda weird
void vigil
heat isnt mandatory! everyone plays their own way
these screenshots are better suited for #h1-builds-and-combat, though!
mortal moss
Why not go for the full 48?
this is why I actually kinda dislike variable difficulties. I'm kind of paralyzed by the choices I have 
harsh epoch
so ive unlocked all Varatha aspects, but the guan yu is apparently still locked?
like it appears as ???
vale kite
there's a convo with achilles to unlock it
brisk trail
48 is probably impossible.
mortal moss
For my very first safe file I chose hell mode. I feel like the forced 20% damage, monster number and 15% health is perfectly acceptable (if you never ran normal there's nothing to compare it to), but the forced budget cuts prevent a huge portion of steady progression :(
So I'm kind of torn between creating a new safe file or just powering through and unlocking / upgrading more aspects
crimson dune
So I've been practicing my heat runs that have 50% increased enemy attack/movement speed, and although ive completed quite a few at ranges between 5 and 22 heat, it almost feels like athena dash is necessary due to projectiles coming in so fast from off screen
does anyone have any tips for playing with that?
cosmic heart
Hey guys what the heart locked accessoires do and how to unlock them ?
crimson dune
Theres info on 4 of them here https://hades.gamepedia.com/Companions though it will give you some minor spoilers, with a 5th one that just came out that hasnt been updated there yet
trim surge
how much of everything does bouldy give
patent umbra
Expect 60-90 gold 5 foods and 10 darkness
trim surge
it's pretty insane
5 uses per run that's 300-450 gold and something like 190-250 healing
carmine pecan
oh its 48 heat
then i accidentily didnt press one
happens
yea
my maximum is 47
lost sluice
Is it known and/or intentional that when using Fated Authority to alter either a Charon's Obol chamber or a Centaur Heart chamber that there is an incredibly high chance that your first alteration will change your reward to the other the first time (e.g. Heart->Obol or Obol->Heart)?
For example, let's assume you have a single exit to your chamber and it' an Obol exit. When altered by Fated Authority, more often than not, it's first alteration will change it to a Centaur Heart. The next alteration is usually something else thankfully.
The easiest way to show this is at the Temple of Styx as there is always at least 1 of each Obol and Heart. Every single time. If I alter the heart, I do get another chamber reward, but if I also choose to alter the Obol, it ALWAYS becomes a heart first and requires a second alteration to get a non-heart/obol reward. The same is true if altering the Obol first of course.
spiral karma
Does anyone know how to increase the new spear aspect's healing? How does it calculate it? I had a bunch of times where I got 2, even 4 healing but I'm not sure how.. some runs it's just +1, others it's more
hexed smelt
@lost sluice you can't have the same reward on two doors in the same room
lost sluice
@hexed smelt I know that. That's not the point of my question. The point is I don't know why it almost always has to go Heart->Obol (or vis-versa) first, before getting ANOTHER reward. Like why is it so rare to go Obol->Pom?
hexed smelt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lost sluice
I guess I'll put that in the feedback then 😄
wary citrus
Codex for fishies WHEN?
delicate arrow
How many boons does one get per run?
vale kite
oh boy it really depends
sharp parcel
considering you can reroll doors, a lot
delicate arrow
Thoughts on this build?
Artemis/Ares/Demeter
Artemis attack
Demeter special
Ares cast
Artemis dash
Ares God Gauge
Arctic Blast
Ravenous Will
Snow Burst
Crystal clarity
Artemis' Second Cast
Artemis/Ares Duo Boom
Ares AOE increase
Quite modifiable by replacing Demeter effects for Ares and Doom stacking
Or pressure points , support fire and hunters mark
wary citrus
For what weapon specifically?
I honestly don't like getting chill unless I know I can get +5 procs in very quickly, so I would probably only get her special with like homing bow or other weird daedalus upgrades
fleet monolith
uhhhh so how does Rare Crop work? https://i.imgur.com/MiFdhrZ.jpg
I don't understand
it sounds like it affects all boons
wary citrus
Press B and hover on that boon on the left
fleet monolith
but it only affects two of them?
wary citrus
It'll tell you which boons it's cropping
wary citrus
after you choose the boon lol
fleet monolith
so it just picks two random boons, lowers them to common, and then upgrades them every three encounters?
dude this sounds crappy
I guess if you only have common and rares its ok
wary citrus
It's a controlled risk
unique river
quick spin/massive spin combo might just be too strong on guan yu
fleet monolith
but if you typically pick epic boons it's just bad
wary citrus
lol?
thin aurora
It's best got near the start of a run
unique river
rare crop is practically never flat out bad
flat vapor
rare crop is amazing lol
wary citrus
I honestly don't know how getting 2 boons to heroic for free is ever bad
flat vapor
each individual room in styx counts as an encounter btw, so even if you get it in elysium it's practically free heroics
sharp parcel
yeah, it's perfect for Styx, less so for the other areas
I feel that it should be room instead of encounter, so you could cheese your way through via shops, character encounters, and even random fountains
and Chaos gates, too
vast junco
@flat vapor dang, thank you for clarifying that. avoided rare crop in elysium just a run ago because i assumed the styx mini-encounters wouldn't count in the same way they don't for butterfly and plume
tiny dust
also, only takes 9 rooms to max out a boon with rare crop; 3 to rare, 3 to epic, 3 to heroic
snow grotto
Might be an obvious and common question, but does support fire actually proc on-hit for multihit attacks/specials?
Wondering for bow, since it has both piercing attacks and the volley
tiny dust
no, it's once per attack/ability
snow grotto
will it only ever proc once per button press or once per enemy struck
mmm
Okay
I guess the description could use some updating then
I'm sure it's a common piece of feedback
solar scarab
lol yeah
jolly lodge
drama you mean style
jolly lodge
"here, have a reminder of who my mother was, and who your wife was"
"you know, the things that were falling all around her when you kidnapped her"
(no idea if the kidnapping is in the game canon though)
ok I see why +150% drama now
tacit tiger
So I think I've visited the fountain chamber in asphodel twice, yet I don't seem to know how to replenish my health there.
Also, what do the little skulls with wreaths mean next to the rewards when you're looking at what door to choose?
wary citrus
Means that room is an elite
tacit tiger
Ah, thanks
lost sluice
The skull actualy means it's a mini-boss encounter
⬇️ That
hexed smelt
specifically, 
is an "elite" encounter (normal enemies, just harder), and one arrow is a miniboss, two arrows is an infernal gate no-hit challenge, and a gold icon with three arrows and a star is an Actual Bosss
like so
vocal thorn
rare crop is amazing, because most the boons I'm offered are common
deep pivot
That picture should be pinned
mint anchor
I never noticed the arrows lol
minor hornet
it's pinned in gameplay, or is that the joke?
carmine pecan
to do too much
proper zodiac
I just had a brain blast moment
Kratos and hades are both big buff men with beards from greek mythology inspired games and both say "boy" alot
deep pivot
I didn’t know. Thanks for the heads up @minor hornet
bitter jewel
I do wonder if there will be an indicator for if a chamber will have a fountain in it
Cause that would be nice
minor hornet
it definitely threw me off when I went into a room with a "difficult" indicator and it was a fountain room
bitter jewel
I like knowing if you'll get a free heal from walking in a room you expect to be a fight
minor hornet
I suppose it must have been a very difficult fountain to subdue
bitter jewel
Huh, didn't even know 'difficult' rooms could be fountain rooms
minor hornet
I know, right?
near canopy
Is boldy the name of the rock with a face ?
bitter jewel
Not gonna lie, still a little salty that you don't get to know which Styx room has the fountain of end of run healing in it 
minor hornet
yes bouldy is
keen eagle
Isn't that the point of the 5 passageways though, that you don't know which one has the sack and fountain?
bitter jewel
Still rude game design, I want to know when I'm getting that free heal
near canopy
I demand a boldy plush be made
bitter jewel
Sure, knowing where it is lets you have the option to skip room clears, but I don't think that's a bad thing tbh
keen eagle
If Hades had a merch store
near canopy
I would buy one in a heart beat
keen eagle
Dusa plushy is something I would 100% buy. #suggestionyo
bitter jewel
Pet rock plushies
tacit tiger
How do you heal in the Asphodel fountain room?
I can't find a fountain
keen eagle
You sure it's a fountain room, not the pre-boss room?
near canopy
And pet rock pin
tacit tiger
Is the pre-boss room always the same?
near canopy
And pet rock paper weight
keen eagle
Yup
tacit tiger
Ok. that makes sense. Thanks
keen eagle
It's always either a free room or a shop
carmine pecan
wait
im pretty sure i gave 6 necter to syphalis the boulder guy
why it doesnt say
that i have to do a quest and then give ambrosia
keen eagle
Give to who? 
lost sluice
I think you may have to talk to Bouldy a few times too to unlock more dialog first.
normal ember
I just realized we don't have a Fire god yet 😳
lapis flame
never even heard of a legendary keepsake
lost sluice
Reference: https://i.imgur.com/qlCPzbH.jpg
lapis flame
do i have to give it to someone who i already have a keepsake for?
keen eagle
They take time to unlock
You have to progress certain relationships with nectar until a quest is offered
Do the quest and get the keepsake, then ambrosia can upgrade them too
minor hornet
you need to max their normal oj levels first, and then some will have a secondary task for you to complete at that point
their entry in the codex will expand to show they will accept big oj at that point
keen eagle
Then they say they're full of OJ, gotta give them spicy OJ instead
minor hornet
yes, I think that's exactly how Homer phrased it
calm laurel
closest to fire god is Ares
minor hornet
"give them the spicy oj"
hestia is an aspect of the rail, I think that's the closest we're going to get
plush pike
spicy OJ is a fantastic term
keen eagle
It is indeed
normal ember
Ares' motifs are more metal, blood and violence
keen eagle
Henceforth Ambrosia should be called Spicy OJ
normal ember
Hephaestus seems in order, given that Aphrodite and Ares are both in
minor hornet
this is currently the full complement of olympians they intend to add before release
keen eagle
Too many gods spoil the demigod, or something like that?
carmine pecan
so i have to talk to the builder
keen eagle
There are so many boons on offer already, adding even more gods would likely just muddy the water and make things like duo or T2+ boons harder to get
keen eagle
Seems too meta and not really rogue like
normal ember
Either that or in the future, they let every escape attempt only have a certain pool of gods
keen eagle
The keepsake system seems a good "optional"/selective god tool
fringe pond
You think someone already have written fanfic Zagreus x Thanatos?
carmine pecan
minor hornet
... you don't?
fringe pond
humble pulsar
dude this sounds crappy
I guess if you only have common and rares its ok```
Rare Crop is best as early as you can get it, so you can better prioritize which boons it upgradesThat said, it goes all the way up to Heroic if you find it fast enough. (Basically not your last boon)
Its another way to get Heroic boons on boons that can't normally receive the Heroic tier
or just to make your attack much stronger
ocean kayak
not quite
obtuse wadi
Hey just wondering if swapping between 1 time boons is intended?
like starting with the ocinpurse, then switching to lucky tooth in between the run
minor hornet
yes highwind, absolutely
carmine pecan
do i actually have to give bouldy necter to get the quest for syphalis keepsake
ocean kayak
rare crop's usefulness depends on when you find it. it only affects the boons you have when you get it, not others. so if you get it too early, all it'll improve are the boons you started with, which may vary in usefulness.
obtuse wadi
@minor hornet thank you
minor hornet
keep in mind you can't switch back to keepsakes you've already used in the run
obtuse wadi
hmm good to know
trim surge
not just rare crop
Poseidon boon for extra gold, Aphrodite boon for extra HP
at least Dio's nectar and Demeter extra heal have instant effects
carmine pecan
oh
hexed smelt
@carmine pecan please, he's called "sisyphus", that word is something else
humble pulsar
Yeah its intended that you lose a "temporary" bonus if you swap off the keepsake
iron solstice
does anyone feel demeter might be overtuned in some respects?
coarse junco
It's easier for them to make her weak and THEN buff her rather than the other way around
iron solstice
in many respects frost seems almost as good as weak yet has excellent bonus modifiers
trim surge
demeter cast is dreadfully weak, but frost double dips with weak quite significantly
minor hornet
I'm definitely no game dev but I think the accepted rule is to err on the side of too strong, first, because the other way around no one will be playing with it to notice the adjustments you make
iron solstice
yeah i did the cast and its duo for prophecies and haven't touched it since.
really cool mechanic but i hate its output rn
weary geyser
A lot of spanish translations are really bad nor incomplete 
trim surge
demeter + aphrodite = excellent defensive combo and almost permanent +50% damage with PS
aphro lost 20% damage reduction on charm but gained +40% slow with demeter basically
normal ember
Demeter's on-cast chill burst + Aphrodite's cast is actually pretty strong
iron solstice
i had a mechanic question.
there are quite a few slow effects in game
dionysus, frost, hermes
do they all work the same
slow = slower move AND attack animations?
trim surge
it's a mystery whether they stack additively, multiplicatively, or if they stack at all
iron solstice
not the stacking, my question is whether they all affect attack rotations as well as movement speed...
minor hornet
I'm almost certain hermes had his slow enemies abilities removed with the introduction of demeter
yes, they all do
brisk trail
if I wanted to talk about characters would that go here or the spoilers channel?
hexed smelt
depends which characters
flat vapor
hermes's slow effect boons were removed from the game, yes
brisk trail
since dusa got a bunch of stuff this update then probably the spoiler channel, yeah?
brisk trail
sounds good 
rugged frost
Heh, sharpie ad, good one.
peak raven
yo just bought this game
unborn owl
congrats
minor hornet
if you're using mouse and keyboard, you can turn off "attack at cursor" in the options
peak raven
i use xbox controller
rigid light
2nd attack form such as Bull Rush for shield of chaos is considered an attack as well right ?
Not sure if it get bonuses from Attack based boons
brisk trail
Yes.
slow elk
Hey guys, how do I unlock aspect of guan yu?
rigid light
This could be a spoiler, talk to a person that starts with A 🙂
slow elk
I kinda guessed that but do I have defeat hades first?
I've been spamming the A person with nectars XD
humble pulsar
its a randomly occurring interaction that ||only happens once you've unlocked several aspects. Unfortunately I don't know how many.|| Don't think it actually requires reaching the final boss, ||but its decently hard to acquire lots of aspects without the ability to get more titan blood via the Pact.||
slow elk
I see
rigid light
Reaching the final boss is only to required to complete the Prophecy iirc. Unlocking Guan Yu does not require it
I talked to A while carrying the spear, not sure if it matters
slow elk
Ahhh, I see. I don't think that matters because I tried that
humble pulsar
Random interactions can kind of be the bane of testers' ability to find out exact requirements. Took me like 20 runs for a couple things others got in 2 or 3.
whole ridge
Does anyone know what to do when the relationship with someone reaches a heart with a lock? or a heart with a clock on it?
vast junco
lock generally means you need to reach a certain dialogue event with the character to progress, the clock means you can't progress for now (in development)
whole ridge
so i just kill myself over and over and talk to them, got it! tnx
brisk trail
Yung Venuz!
knotty epoch
you actually need to fight some things or talk to people during runs to progress some things
whole ridge
oh boy
knotty epoch
so just ending your run asap won't actually help very much
whole ridge
well its dusa and i've beat the man outside many times
im gonna end it quickly untill she has no more new thing to sai i guess
knotty epoch
oh dusa's requirements are all in the house iirc, but you need (progression spoilers) ||quite a few gemstones|| to progress
whole ridge
||do i need to just repair the lounge or something else?||
knotty epoch
||just that iirc; every unique lounge item and then some cerberus stuff. then you just need to talk to her a bunch i think||
whole ridge
oof i need more shiny stones then
knotty epoch
||oh except the 1500 one||
winter river
So what do you all think the final weapon is gonna be?
apparently its coming in the next update
tiny plover
Probably some type of ranged weapon
There's row with all melee together (shield, sword, spear) so I'm guessing the missing spot will follow the pattern along with the bow and rail
minor hornet
I want to go on record saying it's a short range continuous damage weapon
not sure what it will entail exactly, but that's what I expect mechanically
tiny plover
Kinda like a flamethrower? That'd be neat
minor hornet
yup
calm laurel
flamethrower with apollo and helios aspect
minor hornet
I'm thinking a whip, personally
calm laurel
also possible
minor hornet
but I do want to state this is a prediction based on literally nothing but my gut feeling
well and some circumstancial evidence
wraith cipher
whip could lead to fun fury interactions
slim flume
I want an orbital laser
wraith cipher
it'd probably have a bit of an issue hitting things so far beneath the surface 😆
slim flume
It will just go through ALL the layers!