I wish they didnt kill the broken spear
#h1-discussion
red glade
it's not even worth the trinket slot anymore
10 secs is too long
makes it underpowered vs other trinkets
trim surge
probably a problem with permanent trinkets vs single use
desert otter
oof, these 1.6Gb bug fixes are killing me
kind wasp
Hello, how beat skeleton's head?
static wadi
@kind wasp who fall from the sky?
lime needle
man i just wanna gush about this game for a second
trim surge
the world will never know
lime needle
like the music is fantastic, the art is so stylish and nice to look at, the voice acting adds so much more personality to the characters, the gameplay is so fast and snappy
I JUST REALLY LIKE THIS GAME,,
grand crystal
same
zealous timber
@tardy flume regarding your recent #hades-feedback -- this is how it works. If you hold down the button on gamepad or mouse, it will fill up faster without needing to click.
zealous timber
Are you using a gamepad?
tardy flume
mouse
zealous timber
So holding left-click on the (+) sign just causes it to increment by 1?
tardy flume
ye
zealous timber
OK, got it. There may be some issue then.
tardy flume
same with (-)
ok
wait wait
I think it works now
I just verified game files
@zealous timber it works
zealous timber
Nice 🙂
zealous timber
Yeah, there's a short delay before it spins up. No problem!
tender hull
Noooooo how am I gonna keep entering chambers and farming scuffers
last stone
@celest zephyr Did you get anywhere with fixing your framerate issues? I think I'm experiencing similar problems
west fern
Hey is it just me or is the spawn rate of the hammers for the rewards of a chamber extremely low? I had two runs in a row where i only got one of them
Kinda throw off my build that I was going for in those runs
trail raven
Ice Wine After a brief delay, your Cast bursts and damages nearby foes.
Burst Damage: +50%
Demeter / Dionysus
I need to get Demeter Cast first then get Dionysus right ?
trail raven
??????????? I literally had that the previous run and didnt get any Duo Boon -_-
I mean i know i am unlucky but damn...
deft vector
It happens
trail raven
I love it when my lucky friend gets 3 duo boons in the same run
meanwhile i cant even get one duo boon with correct boons 🙂
sharp parcel
RNGesus giveth, and RNGesus taketh away
plush pike
You gotta perform the ritual to rngesus, friend. Pet cerberus three times, spin anti-clockwise in your chair twice....that sort of thing
tardy apex
holy hell what's with all the updates/patches lol
chilly stump
Hey @tardy apex ! It's part of our usual update schedule/habits. We release the update, then usually spend 4-7 days after fixing bugs or balancing things. 👍
It's the ciiiiiircle of paaaaatch~
keen eagle
Better way to approach it than leaving bugs or balance issues fester until the next update cycle, tbh. I like it 
lime needle
I have a little idea but i dont thing its that big of a thing to ask to put in suggestions
flint fossil
This is actually nothing compared to a ton of other games
Warframe hotfixes 
Those can drop like 5 times in an hour sometimes
Then again they break their game far more often so 
Also I would really love to know SG's opinion on their Early Access experience so far, though I imagine that'll come with the next/last Noclip documentary on Developing Hell (at least I hope so).
Seems like hell (hehe get it) sifting through so much information from players that, while I think most people here truly love what SG has done, is sometimes quite harsh.
keen eagle
Love what they've done with the personality in the game, getting a bit frustrated with being unable to progress before the first full run, as it were :P
keen eagle
Yeah, I'm at the stage where I can't progress past those two to the other stages like aspects
flint fossil
Its mostly because the resource for getting and upgrading those is completing runs
flint fossil
Do you need help with your first run? I helped someone last night and they were able to do it in 2 tries
I think its mostly identifying strong god combos
plush pike
I'm always up for listening to strategies, sure
keen eagle
I've got a good sense of the combos, I just struggle with the control scheme still, there's so much visual information to parse in combat
flint fossil
I think you should practice with the shield then, its very forgiving, has a block, a movement ability, and a ranged attack when needed
And prioritize Athena's dash if possible
It gives your dashes some more i-frames
keen eagle
My instincts put W at 45 degrees to where it as, as in straight forwards towards the top left wall, instead of literally towards the top of the screen
flint fossil
I don't really need them to not get hit nowadays, but when I first started they were super important for me to not get hurt
That's an odd way of viewing isometric huh
keen eagle
Never played isometric WASD before, only iso click to move
flint fossil
I sort of keep my eyes on Zag and the enemies more than the level itself
keen eagle
But my mind naturally tries to square off the room from the character's perspective instead of the player's
keen eagle
Would be nice to have had an option to shift controls an eighth-turn to line it up with the iso grid
But at this point that'd throw me more :P
trail raven
I currently have ;
Demeter Attack and Special and Dionysus Cast.
Still waiting for duo : (
torn tartan
The most powerful deity in Hades: RNGesus
trail raven
I love that i have the Demeter keepsake , it would be great that I ran into her boon , but i ran into Artemis twice , Athena and Ares once. (and im almost done with the third biome)
winter widget
Fates authority rerolls from one of 2 pools
The first is the pool of run-effecting stuff
Gods, gold, poms, etc
The second is permanent progression stuff
Keys, darkness, etc
It will roll in the same pool the door is already in
So if you are looking for keys or gems or darkness in particular, reroll others of that category
If you're looking for a particular god or run reward, reroll that category
I usually only reroll gold or pom rooms, everything else I tend to keep unless I'm in styx and need something in particular
No problem!
FAs took me a while to figure out
trail raven
I had the Demeter Keepsake FOR THE ENTIRETY of Elysium but didnt get a single Demeter Boon -____________-
trim surge
it only works once in a run iirc
trim surge
if the game doesn't want you to have demeter it be like that
winter widget
It only guarantees one boon
Also worth noting @mephisto is that nectar is in the pool with keys and darkness, and that god trials, despite seemingly being in the same pool as boons, do not show up from FAs as far as I am aware
patent umbra
Advice on fated rerolls, the same reward cannot be in two exits, so if you have three of darkness/gems/key you can guarantee an nectar for +1 boon level
trail raven
I gave up 🙂
my friend got Scintillating Feast and Ice Wine at the same run , meanwhile i cant even get Ice Wine with the correct boons -_______-
worn glade
anyone else 43 runs in and still haven't finished? no? just me? ah 
mental sleet
I have
let me check
only 27?
I thought that should have been higher
though I have only reached Elysium 3 times
steel mortar
duo boons are much stronger than I initially thought
take basically all of them you see
celest zephyr
I just lost, 2 attemp agaisnt Hades
steel mortar
and don't worry about beating it too much, just get to know enemy patterns and what boons are good/when to take certain options (health, chaos, hermes, pom, etc) and you'll get there eventually
celest zephyr
(When his 2nd health bar pop up)
steel mortar
Hades is hard
I remember when I first beat Hades and was ecstatic, did it with my last Death Defiance life still up with ~150 hp left
then his second phase started and I died in less than 5 seconds
caught me so off guard haha
celest zephyr
I think almost all player here have the same reaction
proper zodiac
I still have no idea what i want for a final weapon
I bet its gonna be something ranged
3 melee 3 ranged
steel mortar
Yeah, the way the courtyard is setup makes me feel the same
three melee on one side, 2 ranged on the other rn
flint fossil
When you get used to it, his 2nd phase is easier
steel mortar
eh
it depends on the build for me tbh
he's more predictable with his physical attacks but I'm bad at destroying his casts and getting to cover during some of the beam/vase patterns
if I can rush him down fast then 2nd is easier but if I'm playing a campier build I think the first is easier
flint fossil
His beam does no damage if you stand right on top of him btw
rare minnow
Hello guys!
Does anyone seem to have any issues with the game crashing after todays update?
flint fossil
No, have you reported the bug via 
?
celest zephyr
This game is all about the combination :P
flint fossil
Or are you saying on startup
steel mortar
Wait wait hold the phone, you can just stand on him during the beams? and attack him the whole time, getting free damage while being safe?
and I've been scrambling to get behind one of the 2 places of cover like a chump?
rare minnow
The game crashed when I entered Asphodel, and then every time I tried to continue my save
Aaaand its fixed! Verified game cache, all is good! 😄
finite lichen
So when exactly do I start using Ambrosia? I have several NPCs at the point where I can't gift them any more Nectar and it's just story interaction with "deepen your relationship first"
steel mortar
just keep talking to them, they'll give you a quest eventually
then the ambrosia begins
trim surge
how much gold does bouldy give per use?
steel mortar
dang
shrewd veldt
Damn
worn glade
jesus 0-0
stiff summit
What is the wave pounding boon of poseidon? Is this new?
tender tulip
Yep
stiff summit
What does it do?
tender tulip
it deals additional damage to bosses with anything that has a knockback effect
stiff summit
Does it give good enough dps comparable to others?
tender tulip
I can't say from experience, I haven't gotten it yet 😄
stiff summit
Alright, guess I'll try it myself. Thanks dude! I'm so stoked about this
tender tulip
Np, hopefully it's strong enough to close the gap Poseidon boons had issues with before
I know I've lost a run due to low damage on a boss with Poseidon
finite lichen
Oof is it just me or is the wonky line of sight for Hades part 2 back in this recent hotfix
sterile light
I am back
you know what time it is
oh.
I just realised this server doesn't have voice channels
it'd be nice to stream on chat
🤔
opens up hades
1.1GB update
unique river
had pretty much the same happen to me lol
just scroll up
I think yours might be crazier tho
sterile light
aaa
teal patrol
Hoping for Arty legendary but it never came
sterile light
exagryph tips?
signal spoke
Please keep any final boss spoilers out of this channel!
vocal thorn
reload while dashing?
be aware of the clicking noise that means you ran out of bullets. You don't automatically reload if you're trying to attack when empty
calm laurel
hello you great people!
ocean kayak
anyone else think it'd be the funniest thing to be able to fish in chaos' realm
sterile light
quit out
carmine pecan
hm?
sterile light
quit out and you should be able to undo it? I think?
sterile light
as long as you haven't left the room
carmine pecan
idk what rod of fishing does
sterile light
lets you fish in certain rooms
carmine pecan
fish is useful?
carmine pecan
gems?
sterile light
gems
carmine pecan
those green red color thingies?
sterile light
yes
carmine pecan
ew
sterile light
worth the two diamonds imo
carmine pecan
its one diamond
carmine pecan
is it better than freeing orpheus
i defeated 3rd boss and died during one of the chambers
that was place where cerberus was guarding something
sterile light
styx
Yes I woukd take the fishing rod over orpheus
Orpheus can give you a keepsake I guess?
carmine pecan
what keepsake
sterile light
distant memory, gives you +10% damage to distant foes
sterile light
Yeah the rod gives you gems easily that you can use to buy a bunch more stuff from the contractor
there's a guaranteed fishing spot at the start of every run
carmine pecan
what does ambrosia do
tiny dust
guaranteed? that something in the hotfix today? i had plenty of runs without a spot at start earlier
tiny dust
@carmine pecan Ambrosia is a giftable item for certain NPCs
tiny dust
yeah, either need to keep talking to them, or waiting for future content
kind shard
if it's the clock, it's future content
if they have something else to say that you just have to unlock, it'll have a keyhole
opaque nexus
how much blood for max guan yu?
tiny dust
i honestly don't remember, but wiki says 15
i think that might be right, bc i think i was expecting 16 and ended up with 1 extra now that i think about it
radiant dune
ggggg
why deos the renovation guy keep having a eclamation mark above his head
pff
carmine pecan
is it good?
trim surge
it's still complete ass isn't it
carmine pecan
10 seconds is only 5 sec less than 15
trim surge
when you use your casts on an enemy typically it's supposed to die and drop the cast as a result
opaque nexus
is it more effective to go deep into the ||pact|| with your good weapons or try to spread it out
opaque nexus
it's also useless with hunting blades
trim surge
this boon only works on bosses basically
brisk trail
wasn't the best boon at common, sure as hell isn't now
Because yeah it's only good for bosses, unless your build deals like no damage lmao
opaque nexus
hermes has 5 boons that aren't garbage
trim surge
should've merged this boon with Artemis' exit wounds, and even then it still wouldnt be enough
opaque nexus
oh it's also useless with poseidon sword
brisk trail
And doesn't do anything with the casts that don't stick to ennemies, so Dio/Demeter/Ares
Do Aphro and Poseidon cast get stuck on ennemies ?
vocal thorn
I thought people wanted the arrow, to show where the cast crystal will go?
carmine pecan
huh who can i gift ambrosia to
carmine pecan
ok
livid cargo
opaque nexus
I have 5 ||
|| with spear and rail and 6 with sword. Do I spend it on bow and shield or get guan yu for fun
my idea is that I get far with those 3 and then I'll have enough to do EZ grinding with the other 2
plucky notch
oh, i thought the default drop time was already 10 seconds
oak knot
these updates are intense, first a 2GB update then 1GB patch and now another 1GB patch
brisk trail
Guan aspect is super harsh until you get to like level 3
even after nerfs
And that'll take 9 titan blood lol
3 for unlock and 3 for each upgrade
opaque nexus
I don't have anything else I want to spend it on
brisk trail
It's a fun spear tho
opaque nexus
is dusa ||Companion|| worth
brisk trail
No worries
opaque nexus
I thought you said "you do at this point"
brisk trail
Nearly missed that for a second too LOL
agile saddle
Anyone think they should change the Ares Boon icon? It's too close to poseidon's
Why is Ares not a sword? In his art when he talks to you he is holding a sword
edgy pecan
it does somewhat resemble more of a sword than a trident when comparing both side by side
agile saddle
It has 3 prongs
edgy pecan
could be a spearhead
stiff summit
How do i utilize chaos shield best
agile saddle
I understand it's maybe a spear but still just make a sword icon
stiff summit
same^ @agile saddle
agile saddle
Also there is a Patrocoles buff bug
stiff summit
Or just dont make the icon symmetrical
Like the sword hes holding seems to be single edged
agile saddle
If u choose cyclops jerky from Patrocoles in his menu it says +40% attack but in Zag menu it says +60% attack
kind shard
use f10 in game to report bugs @faint python
burnt breach
@oak knot yeah, looking at the patch notes its hard to understand
oak knot
i didn't even know about the fishing stuff from styx till i read the patch note
burnt breach
yeah but like today's patch, its just "minor" visual art and bug fixes but it ends up being 1 Gb
oak knot
yeah i wonder what's so heavy about this
shell ice
flint fossil
In-house, so maybe some long distance relative engine that absorbed parts from the old bastion engine
brisk trail
dangit, they fixed the bug that let you keep fishing at the styx temple
i was racking up so much gems there
now i gotta grind for them again
half marsh
should Demeter already be unlocked and open because i still haven't seen her
calm laurel
Just try a few more runs she'll be there
half marsh
ok
plucky sparrow
guys i have hades on epic launcher, if i buy another on steam can i port my save file into steam library
remote lily
@burnt breach as the game uses steam/epic store to patch it can not just download an file and pack it into existing package. So if they update an single chamber they need to make a patch which will include whole chamber package. For example voices files are around 300mb per each. Updating single files in the package make the updste weight 300mb then
solar scarab
Hello, where do I report game crashes in this discord? Or do I do it exclusively through the f10 bug reporter?
remote lily
Best is F10
Cuz it's sends your save, few system informations and you can still write there what happen.
solar scarab
Right
I guess the Issue i'm having is I can't screenshot the game mid-crash.. because it crashes
remote lily
@plucky sparrow you completely don't need to do anything
solar scarab
Otherwise i'll give feedback as you say
remote lily
The game uses the same folder for saves for both epic and steam, so launching steam version will load your saves
plucky sparrow
@remote lily apparently steam isn't detecting my epic files. should i install 'again' on steam?
remote lily
If it crash without the bug report then you can send it to info@supergiantgames.com i believe . Make sure to include debug files from save folder, your save will be welcome too, also send them dxdiag file. Do you know how to create one?
plucky sparrow
or should i just find my local file and move them to steam library directory?
remote lily
Should work too than
plucky sparrow
aight let me try
remote lily
Try this one
coral yoke
Oh lord the final boss is hard with guan yus spear
plucky sparrow
guan yu penalty is quite devastating
burnt breach
@remote lily yeah thats what I thought
brisk trail
Zag after picking up zeus boon: Thunder and Lightning
Me: VERY VERY FRIGHTENING!
sterile light
thunderbolt
plucky sparrow
@oplit nice i moved file into steam directory and clicked install. the file was discovered and all progress is there 🙂
midnight canopy
burnt breach
@tiny dust just looked and replace chance is still 17.5%.
just unlucky rng
@trim surge Hey, your idea is interesting, care to discuss it?
sly minnow
How can I uproad a video in here?
burnt breach
post the link
calm laurel
so when you talk to "x" to gain lore, does it have to be actual duel-sided interactions or can you cheese it by just poking them?
coral yoke
does extreme measures affect the final boss?
burnt breach
no
calm laurel
to which one?
halcyon cypress
Is anyone game crashing everytime entering erberus?
It wasnt happening before update
now I cant even do it
I load it backup and it just deletes the run im back at house of hades
tawny pike
seems like with the new aspect of the eternal spear that super giant wants to work on an eastern game
cedar loom
sharp parcel
too much cheeky breaky and B rushing
sharp parcel
haven't heard nothing on that front
brisk trail
sometimes you get that one build that you wish to go on forever ya know
sharp parcel
though, someone here was working on an infinite mod
PonyWarrior, I think
check his stuff in #self-promotion
paper stirrup
does anyone feel that the boons offered in the final satyr level have become super random?
with no synergy with the existing boons
sharp parcel
no?
I think it's usually a selection of boons from the gods you picked up along the way
paper stirrup
i had poseidon, dionysus, and aphrodite boons
then when i entered final level, the boons offered were demeter, ares, artemis
i wanted to give up then and there
paper stirrup
door boons and charon boons together
sharp parcel
strange, don't recall such a disparity even happening to me
I did occasionally get a door/shop boon from a god that I had no boons from, but never so many
paper stirrup
yea...i know...this is like the 2nd time its happened to me since the patch
sharp parcel
perhaps it also considers the duos that are possible with your existing boons?
paper stirrup
can i upload screenshots onto this chat?
edgy pecan
you can send image links but you can't send the images themselves
paper stirrup
ok thanks......thing is even though there are possible duos, but 1 random boon from the other gods are not gonna work
sharp parcel
oh yeah, hm
I dunno then, strange
lots of strange things seem to happen after the patch
tiny dust
@burnt breach i really find it hard to believe that it's just bad luck, it's been very consistent after the update. Just jumped on for another run. Didn't happen to be 2nd boon having replacement, but 3rd and 4th had replacements - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612382629505007618/670557641592012810/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612382629505007618/670558057893199872/unknown.png
and then get to Styx, currently holding boons from Athena, Aphro, Ares, Artemis, Demeter - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612382629505007618/670564704552222720/unknown.png Not one single boon from a god I already have, and there's a single Zeus in the shop. Doesn't really flow for a well rounded build.
This is what I've been repeatedly finding run after run. The rng just absolutely feels worse after the update. About 170 hours before the update, over 30 hours after the update, it's noticeable and consistent.
torn sonnet
What does ambrosia do? I have 13 but i dont know how to use it
torn sonnet
interesting, will have to experiment then, thanks!
flint gust
People complaining how Nyx is a charon recolor
So were artemis and sisyphus
brisk trail
yeah
flint gust
That is how early access works, yes, the developers push out incremental updates 😅
brisk trail
things take time to be made
sharp parcel
I'm pointing out why people are concerned and you're calling me impatient?
hexed smelt
hey whomst else remembers the, like, day and a half or so where patroclus was a placeholder boy
it sounded like you were the one complaining, my bad
tiny dust
is Patroclus not still a pessimistic boy?
sharp parcel
he still is
hexed smelt
placeholder boy, i said.
as in, this is how he looked when the beefy update came out
brisk trail
OHH that
flint gust
The implication of my original comment was that it's not a cause for concern because it's extremely likely they don't plan to keep her under that blanket forever.
modern garnet
Is this placeholder boy sprite still used for any character?
brisk trail
yea i got to see him like once before they changed him
modern garnet
I'm curious
hexed smelt
not this one specifically but nyx and charon are still the hooded placeholders
sharp parcel
damn, dude
modern garnet
Yeah I've seen those
hexed smelt
shoutout to when artemis still had a hood
sharp parcel
Nyx looks great with a beard!
hexed smelt
throwback thaturday
modern garnet
Now I'm imagining dusa with a little hood on
hexed smelt
🤔 do the snakes have their own, smaller hoods, or are they all stuffed under the main hood
If A Dusa Wore A Hood, Would She Wear It Like This Or Like This
brisk trail
tiny hoods!! tiny hoods!!
modern garnet
Aaaa
gleaming crane
If people just read #hades-faq they'd get their answer on that particular matter.
sly minnow
azure crown
I read some stuff about the game being to repetitive/short and not enough randomness
what do you think?
gleaming crane
A full run is between half an hour and an hour depending on how good you are. The replayability has been enough for me to sink 150 hours in it.
azure crown
what aspects of replayability does the game have?
cursive steppe
Hmm it's crashing @sly minnow , send the video to #h1-tech-support
sly minnow
Im sorry I didnt know
gleaming crane
A dozen different gods with different bonuses to them, 3 different bosses in the first area, randomness to the second boss's patterns, 5 different weapons, soon to be 6, with 3 variations each, soon to be 4 (one of them already had 4), most of them really changing the way you play them, and a bunch of in run weapon upgrades, some of which really changing your playstyle as well.
odd birch
the way you say it you make it sound impressive
gleaming crane
There is also a way to make the game more difficult, including stat increased for the enemies, but also boss variations, mini boss variations, time limits, or even a lack of choice in what you get.
odd birch
when it really isn't all that
it's promising but it's nothing compared to already fleshed out titles of the genre
brisk trail
That's a little unfair of a comparison. That's like saying a trailer looks promising, but it's not a patch on the full hour long movies we have out at the moment.
odd birch
it's perfectly fair
brisk trail
Like. Of course it's not. We haven't seen the whole thing yet.
already fleshed out titles
hades, early access
odd birch
when you buy a ticket to a movie, you're not buying a ticket to a trailer
hades atm is a trailer
gleaming crane
Most rogue likes just have a billion of things, most of them being either completely useless or completely overpowered. Hades tries to have everything being balanced. They're not there yet, is all.
odd birch
i'm willing to support the devs because i like their older games enough
i'm not willing to lie for them
it's not a finished game, it's EA
brisk trail
good, becuase lying would be counterproductive in EA
odd birch
exactly
if you want to play it right now, there's much better titles
if you're hooked on the promise, go for it
brisk trail
which is why the thing with EA games is, unless you trust the company, bookmark it and leave it for a year
if you do trust the company, put some money in, put some time in, and maybe the product comes out good or not.
its a good system when not abused
i like it
odd birch
if i hadn't played other rogue lites or other SG games i'd be pretty disappointed if Hades was my entry to their portfolio or the genre
to put it this way
but it does look really promising with the hindsight being available
brisk trail
fair, youd be choosing a half game as an into
itslike choosing to live in a half built appartment for your first flatting expeirence
delicate arrow
I honestly find Hades to be quite a replay able game compared to others
Like binding of Isaac, overture, dungeon souls, legend of bum Bo all have less replayability
And it's more complex to slay the spire
odd birch
i like gungeon a lot more
delicate arrow
Than*
odd birch
but it's been out for quite some time
gleaming crane
Only rogue lites I feel can rival with Hades would be Slay the Spire and Enter the Gungeon, really.
delicate arrow
But I honestly dont like it's combat system
brisk trail
I'm quite the oppsite, honestly. I think the only games like this I've played in even a vague sense are The Binding of Isaac and Nuclear Throne. And I enjoy this a lot more than the others because of its replayability, especially when taking into consideration that it's still in progress. It's not a genre I'm massively into, but this game has gotten me into it.
gleaming crane
And by that, I mean current Hades.
brisk trail
God that took a while to type.
delicate arrow
Prefer hades' and furis much more
odd birch
idk gungeon is just a pure fun being injected directly in my vains
brisk trail
Man it really is
some people find this fun, some people find that fun
its not a problem if people like thigns you dont, for reasons you dont agree with
odd birch
objectively hades has nowhere near the enemy, build or boss variety
delicate arrow
I think Hades should be rivalled with dead cells
brisk trail
some people dont like large expansive games, they feel safer with a smaller pool of content
odd birch
but eventually the content runs dry
brisk trail
i mean, not me, i like expansive 100000+ codex's and the like, but i know a few people who're like that
gleaming crane
Gungeon has it more easy though. When you make it a bullet hell, finding different patterns is not a problem. Same for weapons, a lot of them are similar, just with different sprites.
odd birch
in hades only the ranged weapons function well
gleaming crane
That's because you're a scrub :P
odd birch
there's only one melee weapon, it's the blade
uncut thorn
Shield bro
brisk trail
goddamit chouette
odd birch
c'mon now
brisk trail
as soon as you insulted them, you lost the debate
azure crown
to buy now?
brisk trail
thats the one (1) rule of debating
odd birch
a game that is similar to hades or a game in the same genre?
delicate arrow
Lemme piece in my 2c here
odd birch
i really recommend Transistor by SG if you haven't played it, but it's not rogue lite
uncut thorn
Nah, his accent is just super slippy
uncut thorn
That’s English as well
brisk trail
oh do they say it too?
uncut thorn
And Australian for that matter
brisk trail
hes all like "thanks mate"
odd birch
i don't know lass
delicate arrow
I think Hades is short in terms of bosses and dungeon content, making the game short. However, I can't agree with the game being repetitive. Every boss feels different, and every round you have to shift playstyles according to boons you find , which are vast. There are over a 100 boons you can go if my math is right , and it's your job to find the synergies with the boons you do get
harsh epoch
british zagreus is perfect
delicate arrow
@odd birch
brisk trail
ehh hwe dont talk about those aussies over there
delicate arrow
And well @gleaming crane
brisk trail
except in hushed circles on a triple forked crossroads at midnight
delicate arrow
I'm one that likes large games with lots of content to digest with a fluid combat system, and Hades satisfies those needs, by far
uncut thorn
Pact of punishment adds a lot too
uncut thorn
She is not
delicate arrow
Wish she was
brisk trail
they made Dionysus a snack so i wanna see how well they make Hekate
brisk trail
he should really speak greek and have all the communiction be subtitled
uncut thorn
He’s got a non-rhotic accent
uncut thorn
He says aah and not are
vernal basalt
he sounds like a yank writing a brit
odd birch
would be funny if when zag gets out he gets out in Crimea modern day
uncut thorn
If you’re kiwi your accent is non-rhotic
vernal basalt
saying mate with his soft formal tone is just odd
brisk trail
niiiice
delicate arrow
I'm fully rhotic
brisk trail
but my accent isnt that strong compared to others
delicate arrow
But then I'm Maltese so
delicate arrow
Imagine an Arab speaking english
brisk trail
for a non offensive route
odd birch
what kind of arab
delicate arrow
@odd birch Maltese comes off Arabic. Not sure which kind , but jist general Arab ; most Arabic immigrants can understand Maltese lerfectly
Perfectly*
odd birch
i've worked with some egyptians, but their pronunciation varied greatly from person to person xd
delicate arrow
If I had to speak to you in Maltese, you'd think I'd be cussing you off
For context, 'female private part' in English is 'oxx' in Maltese
So it would be 'osh' with a emphasized sh
uncut thorn
I’ve noticed the accents in this game are kinda weird. Zag’s slips into American a lot, especially on ‘a’ vowels
delicate arrow
Imma just leave this here
tiny dust
@burnt breach i'm just saying, i don't know why it's happening, but it's been very consistent that it very often offers replacement of the first boon you take and you're left with gaps on other abilities for longer
maybe it's the odds of support boons that changed? bc in almost every instance, it's a replacement and two support boons
so maybe that's why it's more noticeable now
halcyon cypress
anyone getting frozen screen everytime they enter erberus?
trim surge
@burnt breach well hello
delicate arrow
Are there any Hades mods yet?
gritty pelican
@burnt breach has made atleast one to my knowledge he posted it in #self-promotion
burnt breach
@delicate arrow hey horse person, you can find mods on nexusmods. I posted a link to our discord in #self-promotion too
burnt breach
@trim surge Hey, yeah I thought your idea so interesting
delicate arrow
Are*
burnt breach
theres no steam workshop integration for Hades
trim surge
I didn't even know modding was a thing, can't wait for all the anime reskins
burnt breach
so basically you wanted to have the permanent upgrades be something you unlock and increase during the run?
very easy
trim surge
what I like in isaac is that you have several currencies in the run, bombs and keys are currency
in a way
burnt breach
@delicate arrow if you're interested in modding you can ask in our discord, Supergiant don't have a modding channel
delicate arrow
Unfortunately I don't know how to mod
But Im interested in using mods, especially mods that add new gods
trim surge
if Darkness/Keys/Gems or even health could become currency it'd be good, at least better than having "bad" rooms (DKG) and "good rooms" (Boons/Hearts)
burnt breach
ah yeah I wanted to ask you what is DKG
trim surge
Darkness/Keys/Gems
burnt breach
oh
yeah about those and why they don't reroll into better stuff, I have a new understanding of it now
basically there are two types of room rewards : loot and consumables
for players they're the same but they're different in the code
gritty pelican
burnt breach
so when you reroll a coin it will only reroll into another consumable, not a loot
gritty pelican
this is posted in the #h1-builds-and-combat channel
burnt breach
yeah exactly
trim surge
aye, blue is inferior to gold, and some gold is even inferior to other gold
sharp parcel
gold is golden, but not all gold shines true
delicate arrow
@burnt breach how many people are interested in mods introducing new gods?
burnt breach
how would I know ?
trim surge
but in the end I feel that coins/hearts/poms are in the same category as blue just better, while boons/hammer are a category above
delicate arrow
Because I definitely think it would be dope to have hapheastus in the game
burnt breach
hephaestus, god of blacksmith guy?
delicate arrow
Working as an in-between of daedulus and dionysus
Yeah
Well, god of blacksmith and fire
trim surge
so yeah for progression purposes DKG having their own use and pooling them with coins/hearts in tiers of risk/reward would probably be more interesting that what we have now
burnt breach
@trim surge I was just explaining my theory, since I haven't actually looked at how reroll is handled
trim surge
well you can only reroll in the same pool, and reroll into something already not proposed
tiny dust
not usually into mods, but a full makeover Norse mythology mod would be fun
burnt breach
yeah, when you reroll a door it only rerolls the rewards, not the actual room
@tiny dust If you have a lot of time, have some artistic skill and a tool to repack voice files then yeah you can
burnt breach
well I lack two of the requirements
red glade
If SG add steam workshop support, I can see this game lasting a long long time, I mean look at any roguelite with workshop
burnt breach
yeah but I don't think they can do that since its not official mod support, without a launcher type of program that can merge mods that modify the same file there is gonna be a lot of compatibility issues too
let me fetch the message Caitlin sent me about it
uncut thorn
Hot take: Daedalus Hammers shoulda just been Hephaestus Boons
delicate arrow
True
Except
There would be 5 boons like that
And then another 6 for fire and brittle
worthy lotus
maybe hesphaetus would give a keepsake that forces hammer drop or something
delicate arrow
I seriously want a hapheastus boon that would increase duration of status effects
uncut thorn
I mean literally, exact same item, just reskin it as a boon and give it dialogue
burnt breach
@red glade https://imgur.com/nSAxlqy
uncut thorn
Longer status effects would be a good duo
delicate arrow
Just call it brittle
And then hapheastus effects deal fire damage and brittle
Give hapheastus rare crop
And give Demeter a boon that switches seasons
Winter chills , spring heals, automn deals dot
And sun adds a cast per 5 hits
mild sleet
Hello, I wanted to leave a suggestion regarding the Boons menu, but I cannot seem to be able to leave messages on that channel, also I didn't see anything in the #readme-first channel.. a bit unsure where to drop my idea
burnt breach
hexed smelt
read the pins in that channel!
mild sleet
ah, ok thanks, will check the bot channel
hexed smelt
i meant in the feedback channel...
the pins in that channel. those pins. which tell you the rules.
mild sleet
:) got it, thank you
sharp parcel
@mild sleet I don't know the gamepad button but on keyboard you can press B to open your boons menu
mild sleet
while the menu to select a new boon is active?
mild sleet
oh! I will try it out, thanks... I will delete my suggestion then
sharp parcel
check controls to see the gamepad button for it
mild sleet
:) I use mouse and keyboard too, but thanks
agile saddle
I just found my first ever legendary chaos boon
sharp parcel
congrats, you found em all then
agile saddle
Do attack boons from chaos stack? Like if I get one that gives +40% attack and one that gives +70%? Or does it just take the higher one?
tiny dust
they stack additively, so that would be +110%
agile saddle
Nice
tiny dust
it also stacks additively with your god boon on attack
so it's not like that's doubling your overall damage
sharp parcel
I'll give you an easy example
agile saddle
I try to pick attack chaos boons if I see them unless I am playing Hera bow and I see a cast damage one
sharp parcel
if your attack does 100 damage and you have +50% damage and +75% damage from Chaos, you'd be dealing 100 + 50 + 75 = 225
those % only affect your base damage value
when calculating critical damage, it uses your total attack damage value as the base, so in the case above you'd be dealing 225 * 3 = 675
agile saddle
Crit makes the game easy mode XD
burnt breach
@trim surge Coming back to the previous discussion
I was interested in your idea because it could be a cool mod, but I need more details to understand what exactly would the changes be
trim surge
find a use for DKG during runs
bring Darkness/Keys/Gems/Coins/Heart to the same pool
adjust rewards based on room difficulty 
burnt breach
aren't rewards increased by room difficulty?
trim surge
they are but not for DKG, you do get 2x rewards but on something useless for the run
10 gems vs 5 gems does nothing
burnt breach
Gonna try to think something up
btw the image you made looks really good, nice editing
trim surge
well you should get at least 2x the contractor rewards it'd make sense, hoping they'll fix this
burnt breach
like drop coins with gems thing?
trim surge
yes
high cargo
hey guys, anyone running into a drifting issue? i'm not pressing anything but zagreus is, moving
gritty pelican
You using controller or keyboard
hexed smelt
are you using a controller?
high cargo
controller, but i'm testing with other games rn
hexed smelt
your thumbsticks might have a wonky deadzone setting on them
high cargo
it was fine like yesterday so i'm a little???
gritty pelican
Thumbstick drift is very annoying in some other games but hades has dead zone settings so you should be able to fix it
high cargo
i did try that it didn't seem to help, so i'm testing other games rn to see if its the controller or hades
gritty pelican
I was using controller earlier today and it worked for me
high cargo
i unplugged and replugged the controller it's fine now
gritty pelican
Intresting
dapper flume
So..for the evolutions are you limited?
harsh epoch
of course, 46 more days
dapper flume
As in you can't get more blood than the first kill with each weapon?
Also the difficulty jump on the last stage was nuts. Poison OP
harsh epoch
i think you need to beat the game to get more blood
dapper flume
Ah damnit. I failed the run from the stupid poison 😦
Is the railgun good sometime? Or just poop? I found the triple fire special and right click shotgun from aphrodite was a ton more damage than the regular weapon.
harsh epoch
i find it decent
gritty pelican
I find the guns attack to be useful for applying effects like hangover and can be good with Zeus attack
harsh epoch
i like the special of it
dapper flume
My best run was with bow so far. But thats because I think doom is stupid strong.
candid pine
Does Hestia rail need to be maxed to be effective? I can just throw 5 ambro into blood to max it if so, it's at rank 4
lapis nova
@dapper flume Progression explained: ||You get two blood got finishing a run with a weapon. After that, you need to increase your heat by one each time to get more blood. If you've succeeded with Bow, you'll get two more blood by succeeding again on one heat. You can only get each reward with each weapon once, so if you finish the first boss on two heat, you can't get a blood reward for the first boss again until you successfully finish a run on one heat and crank up to at least two heat.||
dapper flume
Thanks @lapis nova
Also has the bug been reported about the movement between floors? It jumps up diagonally then goes back to the path.
mental sleet
How do you use the rail other than "you don't"
it seems to me it is just a worse bow
mental sleet
what are support arrows?
mental sleet
ah
warm yarrow
hello
edgy pecan
an artemis boon
candid pine
Every time you cast or use attack or special, you fire a seeking arrow
warm yarrow
is there a place i can find builds
candid pine
Game is too RNG for builds to be consistent
mental sleet
Hades is not really for "builds"
warm yarrow
not really
candid pine
You need to make-do with what you're given
edgy pecan
game too rng dependent for builds
mental sleet
lmao
edgy pecan
keepsakes are still too rng
real rampart
keepsakes?
mental sleet
still too random
turbid echo
excuse me, is anyone having fps drop when pressing moon cutter to max when using guan yu glaive or is it just me?
warm yarrow
yes
candid pine
That only gets you a boon from that god, it doesn't guarantee a speciffic b oon.
warm yarrow
not even, whatever ability i want i can get easily
candid pine
Oh boy
mental sleet
well then
edgy pecan
oh boy
candid pine
You got a lot to learn xd
warm yarrow
? lol
real rampart
little sprout
mental sleet
all you are saying is "I have not seen enough to make a sound judgement"
warm yarrow
i have seen enough to know u can control ur build to an extent
mental sleet
and that is me having only 12 hours into the game speaking
candid pine
There are lists of boons on the wiki, bot nothing more
edgy pecan
the gods are never in your favor
candid pine
As I said, you can't force a build
Only try to get the prerequisites for a boon and pray.
mental sleet
The only thing that gets better in this game save for your luck is yourself
there are no builds
edgy pecan
unless you unlock fated authority early, which is highly unlikely
warm yarrow
do the poseidon boons give boss damage
edgy pecan
boss damage?
mental sleet
the game is designed to prevent player to optimise the fun out of the game, so to speak
edgy pecan
wdym
warm yarrow
bonus boss damage
candid pine
I think he's talking about the new boon
warm yarrow
i saw it somewhere on reddit
warm yarrow
thats why im asking
candid pine
Poseidon is bad for bosses. They added that boon just so it won't succ that hard
It's god tier for room clearing imo
candid pine
Pattern learning.
mental sleet
different bosses have diffirent behavior
mental sleet
and tbh nothing cant be countered with good old dash and attack
boons will make your experience helluva more enjoyable, but it is not a replacement for your own skill
deft gull
Has anybody ever beaten the final boss on the first run of a new save?
mental sleet
keen grove
any recommendations of taking ambrosia delight (2 quality+) vs the porridge (4 lvl+)
candid pine
Depends on your boons, really.
keen grove
does it boost to heroic?
delicate arrow
Oh boy that conversation
deft gull
I love watching speedruns, so yeah 
candid pine
@keen grove It does, but if you have too many boons it might not boost the boon you're aiming for.
deft gull
I do wonder if it wouldn't be faster to take intentional deaths so more gods unlock. iirc not all of them can show up on that first run? But I'd love to see somebody do it anyway
lapis nova
Correct
mental sleet
damb
keen grove
@candid pine thank you, it worked 😛
lapis nova
You'll eventually be forced to take one.
@warm yarrow I don't know why they're going on like that. Builds are relatively easy to force, in my experience, at least at lower heat.
I'm honestly not sure if they're trolling you.
mental sleet
drat, foiled again
warm yarrow
idk tbh
mental sleet
well I only have 12 hrs in so I am not the most experienced in these matters
lapis nova
I don't know where you can find a master list or anything. Maybe we should make one?
deft gull
I think you could do no boons if you always skip over them and then purge any you were forced to take?
warm yarrow
ok what boons are good with the sword
woven path
depends which sword
mental sleet
you get "collect reward before leaving room" if you try to do that
warm yarrow
starter sword
lapis nova
Sword + Zeus Attack + Fast Swing Hammer Upgrade is pretty good.
lapis nova
Flurry Slash, I think?
warm yarrow
not that onew
edgy pecan
or that one hammer upgrade where you hit once but deal massive damage + aphrodite attack + weak buff
void vigil
this discussion might be better suited for #h1-builds-and-combat!
warm yarrow
the zeus attack with the projectile upgrade is cool
lapis nova
The new Cursed Slash can carry a run. Just get lots of defensive stuff.
lapis nova
Oh no! Forget what I said.
warm yarrow
cursed slash looks spooky to use
delicate arrow
You can't really force, from my 24 hr experience
lapis nova
In general with the Sword, I like to grab Athena's dash, upgrade my attack and special (Aphrodite helps a lot), and go nuts.
delicate arrow
Sure , you can go for certain boons when you see them
But it's a 1/3.5 chance you get the boon you want
And a 1/15 chance for it to be rare or more
lapis nova
I'm not sure why you're saying that. Have you used the Keepsakes? I've generally had no issue at all forcing something close to a certain build.
We're not talking about the first time you play the game
delicate arrow
Yes, I'm including keepsake usage @lapis nova
warm yarrow
i like athenas dash tho, its pretty good
poseidons dash is amazing for clearing encounters as well
lapis nova
Eventually you get upgraded keepsakes and you get upgraded chance at higher rarity boons. Some weapons you start with one God and build around that. Others I'll start with a specific God and I've never had trouble completing at least the basics of any build I want.
You may not always get the Legendary or even the Duo, though even Duo boons aren't terribly hard to force by the end of a run.
lapis nova
Perhaps what you mean is, "It's hard to get the exact boon I want out of the gates"?
candid pine
@lapis nova Aight then, have fun when you're playing with, let's say Poseidon Sword or Hera Bow and not getting any cast at all until late Elysium
See how you can force that
lapis nova
Because that's true. But when you pick up a god once, you have a better chance to see them moving forward. You get the boon you want in Tartarus, then you switch to your second God.
timid ferry
whats the last undiscovered artifact?
delicate arrow
@lapis nova lets say i want to go artemis / demeter / ares or artemis / zeus/ poseidon right
timid ferry
is that going to release or already has but ive not come across it...
delicate arrow
i start with artemis keepsake
lapis nova
@candid pine While that's theoretically possible, it's extremely unlikely. I'm not going to pretend that happens all the time. It's rare.
delicate arrow
right off the bat , i only have a 1/4 chance to get my dash attack boon, support fire or attack crit
lapis nova
Don't force 3 God builds. That's silly.
warm yarrow
i want that spicy crit
timid ferry
ye forcing 3 is very silly
lapis nova
And you're wrong about the 1/4 chance. Where are you getting that math?
candid pine
Oh believe me, that's really possible
timid ferry
u may get it if u play 100 runs
delicate arrow
@lapis nova then how many would you force? 1/2 ?
candid pine
Or try to force Ares cast build
lapis nova
You force the two important gods, and you hope for the third.
quick inlet
i really like how hermes has dialogue for when you activate the timed runs option
candid pine
Where if you don't get artemis duo with ares legendary you're screwed
And have fun not getting the boons you need 😄
delicate arrow
@lapis nova 11 boons, 3 options. 3/11 = 1/3.666
timid ferry
realistically i dont see a need to force gods atm. but then again i only play on 5 hell
lapis nova
@candid pine I've never had that happen to me. I'm not seeing it's not possible, just that it's never happened to me.
delicate arrow
@candid pine thats exactly what im talking about
lapis nova
@candid pine builds that rely on a legendary and a duo or obviously going to be a whole lot harder to force. This is a stupid argument.
delicate arrow
except for me it happens that i need to go zeus poseidon right
and say i need special and jolted for zeus, and main attack for poseidon
lapis nova
Poseidon / Zeus is pretty easy to force, sure.
candid pine
You never "need" to do something, you build around what you're getting
timid ferry
@candid pine ye its harsh honestly. just did like 6 athena prophecy farms to get the legendary boon ...
delicate arrow
i end up getting literally anything else
and thats one of the easiest boons to force as you only need 3 boons out of 6-9 options
itm look at artemis/demeter
candid pine
Tbh in my first run after the update I somehow managed to get Dem's legendary
delicate arrow
youre hoping for dash attack, support fire, demeter cast, demeter god gauge, demeter attack, arctic blast
and if you dont get everything, good luck
lapis nova
That seems like a bad build.
candid pine
Depends on your crit sources.
warm yarrow
i have crit
candid pine
Clean kill iirc raises your crit damage
delicate arrow
@lapis nova its based around using crystal beam and every 0.2 secs you proc your support fire
warm yarrow
yes
lapis nova
The argument "I can't force this build that requires incredibly specific boons or completely fails" is not the same as "All builds are impossible to force"
I'm making the argument that there are quite a few builds that are relatively easy to force.
delicate arrow
thats true
lapis nova
You're using straw man arguments to refute that.
delicate arrow
but at the same time, you cant force the PERFECT run
lapis nova
And I can't understand why.
Who said you could?
That's a silly thing to argue. No one is trying to argue that except you.
delicate arrow
you can just force an idea sometimes
brisk trail
is there a best weapon in hades
delicate arrow
shield , right now
shy relic
does Doom on attack stack?
shy relic
hmm I see
lapis nova
I haven't found the stacking boon to be very good. Has anyone else?
delicate arrow
its broken with demeter
tiny dust
it's good with chiron bow, can get really big dooms
delicate arrow
@brisk trail bow
shy relic
I deal most damage with special anyways, so maybe I go for the attack doom one (it is heroic)
because I quickly attack and then do special again for big damage
warm yarrow
whats good to pair with artemis
warm yarrow
i dont have demeter
brisk trail
do i need to look for guides or something like that for builds
warm yarrow
when do u find him
delicate arrow
zeus can be good if you get his cast , pressure points and mark
shy relic
is there a good place to find builds?
delicate arrow
@warm yarrow get to surface level , and then you can start getting HER boons
brisk trail
what boons should i avoid getting
visual tiger
oh is that spoilers
warm yarrow
nah all good
delicate arrow
@shy relic in hades, you cant really force builds . some are easier to force, but rng is a huge factor
@brisk trail opinions
lapis nova
I recommend Spear for newer players, and focus on the Special.
delicate arrow
i personally think athena is horrible
brisk trail
@lapis nova i dont really like its special ability, maybe cuz im just a new player
delicate arrow
i run bow
warm yarrow
her dash is good
delicate arrow
i find her dash to be really pointless
visual tiger
athena is horrible for bow yea
but for most weapons its usefull to have that deflect
delicate arrow
you have invulnerability frames anyways, so whats the point of her dash???
warm yarrow
more dps
delicate arrow
@visual tiger i can only find it to be an option with bow special
visual tiger
it removes the chance of hitting a projectile after the dash
lapis nova
I've had a lot of success with Athena. I think her Dash is busted.
warm yarrow
bc when ur dodging ur prolly gonna be near a projectile
delicate arrow
@warm yarrow artemis dash doubles your dash attack.
warm yarrow
true i guess
lapis nova
I don't like her call. I've also done okay with her attack or special at times. And her Cast is also an interesting build.
warm yarrow
but u need to dash through them
visual tiger
and her god gauge can be really good depending on your weapon dps
delicate arrow
@warm yarrow or just dash normally. you have invulernability frames
visual tiger
heroic is either swap boons or boon modifier from frost lady i think
lapis nova
@brisk trail The spear's special? If you don't use it, you haven't seen the true power of the Spear ;) It was so good they had to nerf it.