what weapon do I take
#h1-discussion
static wadi
When i won my 1st run with this build
i had no time to use weapon
i just spammed cast
and took stones back
and launched them again
frigid radish
even on bosses?
static wadi
esp on bosses
but also Poseidon aspect can be GREAT help with this build
mb Achilles aspect too
frigid radish
I thought
achilles was the NPC @ start of game
that rtained you
trained**
he has a boom?
frigid radish
ya
static wadi
rail too?
frigid radish
ya
static wadi
and u still dont know what is aspects of weapon?
regal schooner
Hmm, cant post on feedback channel, any chance I could drop few things in there?
static wadi
@regal schooner read pinned msg
frigid radish
yay got my first shield clear!
static wadi
shield is op
frigid radish
ya
static wadi
it's true
opaque nexus
Elysium has really been killing my enjoyment of runs in this game
nearly every enemy is annoying and rooms last for so long
it's challenging but not in a fun way
also the explodey guys are nearly impossible to deal with using some weapons
and I absolutely can not stand the shield enemies
static wadi
catwheels?
paper ermine
The wheel guys are easy for me, the shield suck I agree.
edgy tendon
The shield boyos are annoying but not in the case of they're difficult or hit you too much, but in the case of they KILL run times
static wadi
u let them finish their combo and kill them while they are stunned
also it's hard with 3-4 of them
rly
edgy tendon
Yeah a group of elite shields is what I'm primarily pointing at
opaque nexus
I don't think I'm taking my time enough, which is probably why I'm doing so terribly with the spear
opaque nexus
I like the appearance
trail stag
I like all the enemies too
frigid radish
tbh
trail stag
I don't mind the shield guys
frigid radish
murder worse than the shields
trail stag
There are effects that go through the shields
frigid radish
i can deal with the shields now but murder is just -.-
cunning hemlock
Same problem with the shield goes to Theseus.
Hard to deal with him using chaos shield
trail stag
Thesius turns around after he throws so you can backstab him tho
Really?
Thesius is by far easiest with the shield
static wadi
soulmates
opaque nexus
everything is easy with shield
opaque nexus
I prefer zagreus for spear
trail stag
Yee shiels is so much stronger than everything else
static wadi
Zag... Maybe
trail stag
Chaos aspect shield jesus christ
sinful falcon
What happens if you use spear vs ||hades||
static wadi
u kill him
paper ermine
^
static wadi
or he kill you
brisk trail
||There's a few lines of dialogue if you go into the last fight with Hades Aspect.||
sinful falcon
||I was just wondering if hed have to get a different weapon guess he just has 2 spears||
thorny quiver
Good evening!
Is it my understanding that Hartemis dash-boon doesn't actually do anything? It says that it doubles the damage, but there's no way to get it past 0...
static wadi
@thorny quiver artemis dash attack?
thorny quiver
Yes @static wadi , that one.
brisk trail
It boosts the power of your dash attack.
brisk trail
Press the attack button in the middle of a dash. The animation will be slightly different and deal more damage/have bigger range/etc.
thorny quiver
Oh! Got it now. It feels kinda useless compared to other dashes, tho
static wadi
@thorny quiver nah it's ok
brisk trail
It's very good on specific builds.
static wadi
there are some good builds with it
thorny quiver
Athena dash still puts any other to shame
brisk trail
Nah, will reroll to another yellow laurel. Could be another god, could be HP.
static wadi
oh
thorny quiver
@static wadi yeah, they oughta nerf that
static wadi
read it wrong
brisk trail
Divine Dash is fine, the other need to be reworked to be more effective.
static wadi
@thorny quiver didnt they already?
thorny quiver
@static wadi it will still be too powerful as long as it gives deflect
static wadi
athena all about it
hexed smelt
deflect is kinda the entire point of athena's toolkit, though
thorny quiver
They should make the deflect front-only
For the dash, I mean
Just like attacks
But I guess it's there as a failscape if you really can't progress.
static wadi
duo?
frigid radish
yeah
trail stag
What's the duo for Artemis and ares?
trail stag
Oh jesus
thorny quiver
Artemis+Ares is actually how I won my first run
midnight salmon
its really frustrating when im playing a melee weapon and the hydra heads just decide to float over lava
i know its the general consensus that the hydra fight is kinda garbo but i hope the next content update fixes it desperately
static wadi
@thorny quiver same to me
thorny quiver
They should probably fix the camera for that fight @atomic heath
All the ranged weapons are really frustrating to play
The fight itelf isn't THAT bad
midnight salmon
frustrating in general or frustrating for the hydra
thorny quiver
For the hydra
midnight salmon
no i mean melee weapons are frustrating for the hydra
sometimes
the hydra heads float over lava sometimes
what am i supposed to do. sometimes its the last head and i just stand around and wait for it to come back above solid ground
thorny quiver
I usually spam dash attacks at that point
midnight salmon
you dash in and out of the lava yeah
thorny quiver
This might be an unpopular opinion but I actually like Hydra much much more than Theseus
midnight salmon
it is unpopular
thorny quiver
that permablock feels so unfair
brisk trail
Hydra ain't bad.
midnight salmon
its not bad but its the worst of the 4 by a significant margin
midnight salmon
no banter dialogue, long, drawn out, boring, stupid heads floating above lava
thats the worst part for me. zagreus has banter dialogue for everyone
but the hydra is just a monster so he doesnt say anything but "ill have your head(s)!!!111" at the beginning
he even has responses for tisiphone and all she says is "murder"
if i were to change one thing it would be that
thorny quiver
I think that each fight should "test" different builds, and I suppose Hydra should be about Crowd Control
Maybe making the arena smaller or putting the heads closer together would help
static wadi
@midnight salmon did u read pinned message about Tis in #h1-story-discussion ?
@thorny quiver did u try ex hydra?
thorny quiver
@static wadi not sure what you mean, only started playing one week ago
static wadi
@thorny quiver did u opened Pact?
haughty umbra
hell yeah I just beat Hades with the spear, making my fifth win, one with each weapon
haughty umbra
😊
static wadi
good one?)
static wadi
looks like not
but it's a good joke
@thorny quiver Pact have Extreme measures
so it change boss fights
thorny quiver
I'll try that on my next run maybe
fringe pulsar
I like hydra more than theseus, bro its so annoying having to get on his back to hit him
proud seal
Without spoilers, can someone tell me if there's a gameplay reward to gifting a character ambrosia multiple times?
fringe pulsar
at least in hydra you have calls, or especial attacks sometimes
thorny quiver
@fringe pulsar yeah, they probably should limit his block somehow
Like making it so hitting his shield a lot stuns him for a couple seconds
static wadi
@proud seal looks like only lore
fringe pulsar
@thorny quiver at least making that area atacck hit him, if he is in the whole area
attack*
attacks*
thorny quiver
@fringe pulsar not a bad idea
proud seal
@static wadi Thanks!
static wadi
@fringe pulsar solo theseus is easy
static wadi
@proud seal do u already used Ambrosia for anyone?
thorny quiver
it just takes a lot to kill him
frigid radish
now I just need bow + spear! 😮
static wadi
@thorny quiver 1st phase atleast
proud seal
No, I've only gifted it to 3-4 people and didn't know if I should try to give it to everyone or focus on one person
proven cape
question about Lore, according to mythology, Zagreus was the reincarnation of Dionysus, how does this game deal with zagreus his origins?
static wadi
Nectar is lil yellow bottle
proven cape
He could also be the son of zeus and persephone
static wadi
u gift it for keepsake
thorny quiver
@frigid radish there's actually a stupid build with bow, you just take any damage amplifier + the trinket that gives you bonus damage at a distance. Add the explosive shot and you easily deall 500+ on a single power attack
proven cape
who is not ingame
fringe pulsar
I have just fight 1 time minotaurus, and 2 times both of them, and I won just ignoring theseus as fck, when I got 1 vs 1, he lowed my health more than he + minotaurus, I was with spear, and goddamit he just didnt care my attacks at all, had to dodge like crazy
static wadi
@proven cape it's not clear ingame
proven cape
cool
proud seal
@static wadi I think I was confused, it was probably Nectar I was gifting
static wadi
@proud seal so if u say about nectar
frigid radish
@fringe pulsar if ur lucky and he gets athena you can just spam Q with spear when he throws his spear atyou
artemis***
frigid radish
theseus's AI is not good :#
cunning hemlock
Nectar - small bottle, ambrosia big
frigid radish
I abuse it all the time lol
thorny quiver
Do you guys think the new god is gonna be Hera, or Apollo?
static wadi
1st for trinket
fringe pulsar
wait, he gets different god's help?
frigid radish
I'm guessing on Apollo
static wadi
2nd and 3rd for prophecy
fringe pulsar
probably Apollo
static wadi
@thorny quiver 99% demeter
brisk trail
Probably Demeter.
fringe pulsar
Demeter could also be
static wadi
@fringe pulsar he usually call for god u has boon on you
proud seal
What if it's Hecate
brisk trail
That's Greek mythology.
static wadi
in this channel
static wadi
also about new olympian
buoyant rivet
@fringe pulsar I find the fight easiest with spear honestly, using special allows you to throw the spear even when blocking and having it come back and do backstab damage
Idk what builds you were running but I almost always use special focused runs on the weapon
static wadi
her siluet looks like ahe has a
cornucopia
static wadi
it's demeter attribute
wraith cipher
gimmme a sec
static wadi
wraith cipher
fringe pulsar
I used a calls one, just got close to the enemy, and spam aphrodite's call with the trinket that lets you do calls manteining
wraith cipher
its near the end of that video
static wadi
2:45
frigid radish
she thicc
thorny quiver
Saw that... it does look like a cornucopia
static wadi
imagine it's a man lol
thorny quiver
But I still find it weird with her connections to you-know-who
thorny quiver
Maybe they'll make it so you can only access her after beating the game, or something like that
static wadi
only Lord
fringe pulsar
I tried using speacial but ares boon made me keep moving, so I just tried to get on his back
thorny quiver
Oh, gotcha
fringe pulsar
definitively Demeter
fringe pulsar
dependin on how you look it, it could be Hera, but its more probable its just Demeter
static wadi
i cant see Hera has any clue doing here
but
i can same about most olympians here
😄
thorny quiver
Yeah, the cornucopia makes it hard for it to be anyone but Demeter
fringe pulsar
having plant around his neck, doesnt mean it has to be Demeter, even when its hard to do not so
static wadi
@fringe pulsar Zag has too on his head
fringe pulsar
The question is, all olympians are goin to be in the game??
brisk trail
No, just 8.
fringe pulsar
whos Zag?
brisk trail
Zagreus?
static wadi
Zag... Is Zag
fringe pulsar
oh, right
edgy tendon
Demeter kinda seems really off to be honest.
static wadi
Demeter looks better for main quest
edgy tendon
Not in the design wise by the sil, but in terms of here we have all of these big boy well known gods
and then demeter
fringe pulsar
Yeah, @static wadi , thats what I was goin to say
static wadi
there are 12-13 main olympians
we have 8 now as i remeber
missing Apollon Hestia Demeter Gefest
and Hera
fringe pulsar
Im still in chamber 40+`, so I dont know much about history, but Demeter is Persephone's mother, so it could be interesting
candid pine
What's higher, legendary or heroic rarity?
fringe pulsar
suppose legendary
static wadi
@candid pine legendary is only one boon
fringe pulsar
aspects?
static wadi
and Herois is
candid pine
I've got unhealthy fixation for Aphro, sadly I only have the dash
static wadi
usual boon can be 4 types of rarity
candid pine
I need more ways to apply weak
static wadi
common rare apic and heroic
and Legendary is special boon
only 1 boon for every good
fringe pulsar
pls dont say more, i am already being spoiled XD
edgy tendon
surprised they have hestia added since most cases it's either you use dion or hestia
static wadi
so
i think
New sword aspect would be Gefest
New Spear would be Athena
New bow Apollon
no idea about shield
edgy tendon
Doesn't have to be about the Olympian gods mind you
There is an achilles spear after all and nemesis sword
er,
The olympians I should clarify
static wadi
mb shield can be Perseus aspect
mirror shield can deflect or blind enemies
also there 6th weapon...
edgy tendon
I hope they're gauntlets I think that would be a cool play style
But when you think of greek mythology you don't think "hm yes the ol' fistacuffs"
buoyant rivet
Oh @fringe pulsar it’s really nice to have a call by that fight
buoyant rivet
Since the killing off the bull will more then likely give you full cull
When he summons the gods us one cast and then call
Usually wipes him
edgy tendon
Only gauntlets I can think of are thor's which are never broughtup and I refuse to spell. They're also norse.
buoyant rivet
Most calls are good
I don’t like Zeus or Dionysus call though
Having to be close up is not fun on most of he weapons I like
static wadi
Athena and ares my fav
buoyant rivet
Artemis is my fav
edgy tendon
Poseidon's looks cool
static wadi
what?
buoyant rivet
You know the skulls he launches
static wadi
never happen to me
buoyant rivet
What is?
edgy tendon
Then again, I don't know what weapon the ||adamant|| is supposed to refer to because last I recall there weren't ||machine guns|| in greek mytho
static wadi
static wadi
yes it is(
buoyant rivet
That’s like saying mom is a spoiler in Isaac
buoyant rivet
I’d be shocked if anyone didn’t catch on to that
But I’ll get rid of the comment anyway
static wadi
@edgy tendon http://prntscr.com/qj2er6
edgy tendon
i take it back
static wadi
or just double |
past tusk
static wadi
good
edgy tendon
I guess gauntlets aren't too far off from being implemented. Then again an axe would be a better / easier choice
static wadi
Sword ingame very close to axe imo
edgy tendon
It is.
edgy tendon
You even cleave with it lol.
static wadi
also i cant remeber any famous axes in greek myths
calm cove
hey guys, i just had a blue screen and my savefile is gone. tried the fix from the readme but it didnt work
edgy tendon
_ but you remember famous machine guns in greek myths?_
buoyant rivet
Yes
edgy tendon
I know twas a jest.
static wadi
if they have some common weapon
static wadi
wait who is heph
edgy tendon
he did primarily use hammers but at one point he wielded axe
static wadi
smith god?
edgy tendon
ye
His "labryrs" which is just greek double sided axe.
But a hammer could work too.
Then again hephaestus would be the person again....
static wadi
when i 1st saw hammer
i was pretty sure it was him
kinda dissapointing
he clould be good olympian i might say
he also good of fire
edgy tendon
it would kinda be weird tho
_ "oh hey a very powerful and well known hammer of an olympian god keeps finding itself in my path to escape"_
static wadi
so his boon could low enemies armor and they could get more dmg
edgy tendon
I'd like a fire boon tbh
static wadi
or may be some aoe dmg
edgy tendon
I feel like zeus has that covered tbh
cursive idol
Ello. My favorite goddess in Greek mythology is Demeter hope she will also get a role eventually :3 . As in this canon Persephone is Zagreus mom, Demeter would be his grandma :p .
haughty umbra
if there was a fire god, I would love to see burning areas of continuous damage
edgy tendon
Heph cast maybe
static wadi
yay
edgy tendon
Another non stick cast
cursive idol
Sowwy
wraith cipher
scorched earth would be a cool boon name
cursive idol
I mostly just wanted to state that I am hoping that Demeter will get a role in this story.
edgy tendon
Although if they add apollo idk wtf they intend to focus with that guy since he pretty much is _ the god of misc_
cursive idol
And Apollo, Demeter and Apollo I like most from the 4 remaining Olympians :3 . Well and Hestia but she gave her seat to Dyonius :p .
static wadi
@cursive idol 99% new olympian is Demeter
fringe pulsar
About calls, the worst for me is dionysious, too especÃfico to be used, then it would be ares, or poseÃdo for difficulty
cursive idol
Would be cool if the upcoming added olympian will be Demeter :3
fringe pulsar
Bro, don't know what aspects are
fringe pulsar
Ye
fringe pulsar
Let me discover it by myself
static wadi
@fringe pulsar no spoilers
haughty umbra
there's no official announcement for new olympian yet right ?
aside from the fact that there will be one
edgy tendon
if i get demeter boons im throwing hands
haughty umbra
hmm
cursive idol
Wait was a cornucopia teased? Where?
haughty umbra
well it's still quite a long wait 😦
edgy tendon
hey, i wait on risk of rain 2 updates @haughty umbra. It's not that long of a wait
haughty umbra
well, the one thing that makes me wonder if I should continue playing is that it's recommended to start a new save once 1.0 rolls out
edgy tendon
wot really?
haughty umbra
I'm pretty sure it was written somewhere on in-game announcements
like, you can continue your old save, but it might be wonky
wraith cipher
havent seen that myself
edgy tendon
^
haughty umbra
hmmmmm I'm sure of myself though
I hadn't even checked internet discussion about this either
gleaming crane
Never heard anything about that, and given the various things they've added, removed, and modified during early access, I don't see how it could be wonky.
cursive idol
Just watched the vid, awesome one at that and yes that can totally be a hint to Demeter :3
haughty umbra
I am absolutely confused about my earlier statement, I was certain I read this somewhere and not trying to make stuff up... weird
bleak eagle
Anyone know what the map after beating an area means? Like the one the shows u climbing up; I'm confused about the symbols that pop up
wraith cipher
your weapoon and the reward
bleak eagle
Is that the first time you beat them only? Because I've been getting the uh
The purple thing to level up
Instead of what the map says
Like titan blood or diamond
static wadi
@bleak eagle u get blood for 1st and last boss
Dia for 2nd
and ambro for 3rd
for every weapon
wraith cipher
yeah it shows what you earned from it
bleak eagle
Aaah, so it's the first time u beat them with said weapon u get those rewards then
Thank u thank u
static wadi
@bleak eagle also when u finish the game 1st time
u will find way to get more of this
bleak eagle
Im stuck personally at the third boss
bleak eagle
Yea 
static wadi
M first
try to be always close to him
but behind
when he charges
dash through column
and let him hit in it
also u need dodgr spear
while that fight
bleak eagle
Oooh I'll try utilizing the columns more
static wadi
try to use cloumns too
haughty umbra
the columns also help you block the spear
bleak eagle
Also last question: does anyone know how to expand the symbols on the left aka the boons u are given? I find myself forgetting what I have and dunno how to double check
static wadi
tab
bleak eagle
Omg .....
static wadi
also it's good to have good call for this fight
bleak eagle
Im a fool i never tried tab
static wadi
it will help u vs 2nd T phase
bleak eagle
bleak eagle
Thank u ill try one more time; i feel like im closer 
static wadi
2nd phase u use call and burst him hard
paper ermine
Does anything special happen if you beat ||The Minotaur|| in the ||solo fight|| enough times?
untold beacon
man, I just had a great-ass run
hestia rail with crit stacking
regularly and easily hitting 2k per shot
I know that's probably not actually impressive, but it felt good
paper ermine
Loss or win?
brisk trail
Regular 2k crits is actually pretty fantastic.
There's not a lot of enemies with two thousand HP.
paper ermine
^
untold beacon
yeah, final boss was a chump
I also got the piercing shot so the shield bearers in the third area were no problem at all
Aphrodite cast, Expose, Athena dash
made privileged status real easy, too
and some nice chaos boosts
Artemis/Athena duo, too, of course
static wadi
i will play tomorrow i guess
proud orbit
I don't like them because I find them boring, but Chaos Aspect is possibly the best weapon in the game
static wadi
or athena for defence
lilac sun
I still haven't beaten _____ after playing a while and facing him twice. I'm just trying to beat him.
Got to him with the shield last run now thinking it's my best shot.
proud orbit
Noh spoil in this channel
proud orbit
And yes shield is a nice safe weapon
Good for first clear and to help you learn attack patterns
thick remnant
Someone made a script to automatically reload for you when using the rail 
lilac sun
yeah that's what I'm finding too. I like the spear a lot, but I'm reckless with it.
the shield slows me down and allows me to see what attacks people are doing, especially in the third area.
proud orbit
@thick remnant why lol just click reload it ain't hard 
thick remnant
Chaos is the best weapon in the game
lilac sun
Alright! I'll take your word for it. Thanks! I appreciate the advice. Time to give this a shot.
thick remnant
It sucks until level 4 or 5 tho
lilac sun
ohhh haha
thick remnant
so if you use it before then, don't expect too much
lilac sun
I spread all my blood around different weapons
should have saved up
but oh well
gotta just keep playing
thick remnant
its ok at least you didn't trade your blood like an idiot ;-;
viscid flicker
chaos shield, i'm really happy for y'all and imma let you finish, but chiron bow is the best aspect of all time
thick remnant
that's cute
thick remnant
was boutta fight u
I love chiron bow tbh
like for me, the top 3 aspects are Chaos, Chiron and Achilles
viscid flicker
i always feel like an idiot when i throw the shield in a way where i don't catch it immediately though
and accidentally try to charge bull rush and stand there doing nothing
viscid flicker
well, catching those doesn't help you at all 😦
thick remnant
Shields do damage leaving and coming back tho
so having that many shields going back and forth is pretty big damage
fringe plover
i feel like people sleep on Eris aspect, 60% extra damage for 8 seconds is huge
thick remnant
meh
fringe plover
like I know Achilles is 150% but thats only for the next 2 attacks/casts so it only pairs well with certain builds
thick remnant
60% for 8 secs feels underwhelming without the infinity chamber upgrade
cause you'll be reloading like twice in those 8 secs
achilles yes only works with cast builds but that's more variety than the Eris aspect imo
wraith cipher
reload while dashing
thick remnant
Still... you're losing on dash DPS xD
fringe plover
but Eris cast builds are nuts
thick remnant
out of those 8 secs, you're losing like 3-4 secs reloading
and dashing, so in reality, its only active for like half of the time
UNLESS you have infinity chamber, its not that good compared to Achilles
fringe plover
y'all are focusing on the primary attack which is not where the damage bosst is best applied in most cases. Try an eris cast build
thick remnant
Eris cast build doesnt make sense
tiny dust
random question - anybody know if it's possible to get a duo boon from one of the rewards in a trial of the gods encounter?
thick remnant
60% on 3 casts
to 150% on 2
@tiny dust if you have the prerequisites, you'll find them
fringe plover
Thats only assuming you only have 3 casts. I just had a run with 12 Tipsy Shots and it worked wonders
you couldn't do that with Achilles
thick remnant
YOu can really
special is very fast
plus it acts as a 2nd dash
Rail's special is way slower
than the spear's
Also you have to be IN the special's aoe to get the effect
proud orbit
Great eris builds usually come from stuff like poison or doom
thick remnant
with achille's you just special and run
fringe plover
shoulda mentioned i got Rocket Bomb - makes getting the boost much easier, just use it point blank or at a wall next to you Also 8 seconds is an eternity in this game
thick remnant
But that's very specific
you NEED the upgrade then?
Achille's is good right away
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proud orbit
For casts just why not achilles spear, poseiden sword or Hera Bow
fringe plover
8 seconds is ages though, just start a room with it and literally every move and effect has 60% extra damage
proud orbit
Yeah exactly
thick remnant
8 seconds that have a lot of requirements
proud orbit
But there's better for casts
static wadi
this game hates me
fringe plover
The Achilles spear one is great but it means you have no flexibility in the build, you know its going to be cast - special - cast - special every time
thick remnant
Eris won't make it flexible either xD
fringe plover
I think Eris openes up more options for different builds and outdoes Achilles once you have lots of casts
thick remnant
thats what cast builds are lol
just cast and special 90% of the time
Eris can't beat Achilles without upgrades
which is why Achilles is better. You don't need upgrades or requirements to get the bonus
plus there's a 90% difference
static wadi
does anyone has max Zag spear?
thick remnant
why xD
fringe plover
my point is that Eris builds allow you to make a cast centred build but also gives massive buffs to your attacks, effects, call, etc. Rocket bomb helps massively but isn't required
So its more flexible in terms of what your build could be
thick remnant
Well in that terms, sure but you were talking casts earlier
shadow rain
Hello! Is there a full list of faction changes available somewhere? I see the change logs but I'm looking for a complete list
fringe plover
Yeah cos I still think it's better once you have all the best cast-buffing boons
thick remnant
nah
shadow rain
Oop. Wrong discord
thick remnant
not true xD
shadow rain
Anyone know what the new weapon will be?
hardy drum
can you reroll into the rooms with bolder guy, Eurydice and death defiance refiller guy
thick remnant
nope
hardy drum
alright thanks
thick remnant
You can't reroll these rooms, the shop or boss fights
static wadi
@hardy drum for rerols see pinned messages in #h1-builds-and-combat
brisk trail
Wait, I am confused/can't remember, isn't the one with cast and special Poseidon's Aspect from the Sword branch?
I don't remember the Spear having that, but maybe haven't noticed.
static wadi
@brisk trail what
brisk trail
Good night.
thick remnant
Poseidon dislodges the stones
Achilles spear makes casts deal more damage after using ur special
proud orbit
Achilles is the spear one which gives 150% after special dash
static wadi
@thick remnant poseidon also gives 50% damage to cast
thick remnant
yeah
wraith cipher
aphro cast is fun
thick remnant
There's so many good casts out there
wraith cipher
especially with hermes' flurry cast
candid pine
Never used them, god I almost never run into athena for some reason
void nova
aphro and zeus are prob my fav casts
poseidon and zeus are good too
ares is also good but v different
thick remnant
Ares with hunting blades is literally a free win too
candid pine
Ares is the blade one right
void nova
i mean they're all good. dio is prob my least fav but that's just because i haven't made great use of it yet
candid pine
Dio is good for early damage
thick remnant
nah dio can pull massive damage late game too
candid pine
Oops
thick remnant
just with the right boons
candid pine
More like dps
thick remnant
His call is crazy
candid pine
But the thirst shot ( I guess that's it ) is nuts early - mid
More so if you get the zeus duo
thick remnant
Dio's attack is meh unless you have some fast weapon
thick remnant
or adamant rail
thick remnant
oof
static wadi
with full dd
thick remnant
OOF
brisk trail
I never really use cast, which is why I stick exclusively to Chaos Shield, Chiron Bow, and Achilles Spear, and maybe the second blade in the sword branch, the one with special - attack crit for 3 seconds.
thick remnant
prolly lava dealt like 75% of the damage there
static wadi
ok this game definitely hates me
candid pine
When does hydra's arena change?
thick remnant
2nd extreme measures
brisk trail
@static wadi Ex Hydra can be quite challenging, even though it's not that hard, but under a heat run it can be a nightmare.
static wadi
@brisk trail well
i'm kinda rly upset today
i was back after work
and find out game cancelled my succesfull run
thick remnant
What really sucks about the ex hydra is the fact that there's lava every god damn place and the hydra can cover like 90% of the ground that exists plus there's no pillars that can potentially block its arrows
brisk trail
@static wadi Don't push yourself, if you were already upset or something's on your mind, it makes sense for things to happen, even the most perfect player can stumble upon some crap/bs and make a mistake. Trust me on this saying here, you're fine, just need to take your mind off a bit, my advice? Take a break and relax.
You'll make your perfect run, again. When you're ready.
static wadi
it was not just good run
it was usual run
mb first succesfull on 4 heat
but it low anyway
but
i finally got my last duo boon for prophecy
and got some new prophecy
and
brisk trail
Gznm, I believe you. I have no reason or right to doubt you, and I know how you feel.
rancid compass
i just want achilles and patroclus to be able to get back together in this game
ivory remnant
if not back together, at least Underworld Couple's Therapy
is there a greek god of therapy
if not there should be
static wadi
and now i see this http://prntscr.com/qj3x94
static wadi
oh kill me
brisk trail
@static wadi Ex-Hydra on heat was the reason
rancid compass
but achilles and patroclus best couple
brisk trail
She can be a pain.
brisk trail
Didn't you died by her?
brisk trail
Gznm, I am not against you, in fact, I told you above that you just need to take a small break and do something else you like to calm your mind and refresh.
Don't force yourself, you're doing great.
buoyant mist
anyone brought up the idea to test daedalus hammer effects and combos in the skelly area? i feel like it would be a great addition
flat vapor
many, many times
buoyant mist
okok thx
silver aurora
So i'm a couple of hours into the game i hades mentioned something about a bounty board, and on the wiki i saw i can get titan's blood in the bounty board, the thing is i cant fint it, where is it?
hexed smelt
that's the pact of punishment, which is only unlocked after clearing the game for the first time!
silver aurora
thanks
potent egret
dammed hermes! give me your legendary boon!
frigid radish
ngl I don't think hermes legendary booms are worth it :#
his cast rapid fire thing tho 😮
potent egret
i dont need it for worth, need it for collective
potent egret
i get that boon and im done with hermes and i can focus on higher heat
mortal palm
frigid radish
artemis cast
artemis double cast
cast drops off faster
+3 to cast
all poms go towards cast / double cast
edgy tendon
ya'll ever just go quadra barrel aphro secondary cast build and just shotgun hades to heck?
feels nice.
With exit wound poseidon styg blade? vegy noice
torpid vessel
Best feeling build for me I've ever played was a poseidon spear build with both spin attack upgrades on achilles aspect
I'd spin once, had double knockback and watery wave on knockback. Rooms would turn into pinball machines
frigid radish
^i started doing pure cast build yesterday and I was blown away
by how strong they are
especially if you do artemis / ares hybrid
idle lily
I've been loving support fire with faster special
frigid radish
the first time I beat the final boss
I had support fire on sword + flurry
- the ranged projectile daedalus hammer upgrade
it was funny lol
brisk trail
I just got back into Hades after almost a year of not playing and it looks so weird
lyric spoke
I random question here, So there's this boon called relative speed. And it happens to be legendary. Is there any reason for it to be this? I've had it two times and it's never been that game changing even during a dash focused run. Am I missing something or is this a common sentiment?
rancid compass
are pure cast builds viable for any god build or specifically for artemis
frigid radish
not too sure haven't really experimented with the other gods but I do know for sure that artemis / ares hybrid cast is actually the strongest build in the game right now
rancid compass
what ares boons did you get for it?
brisk trail
So, Poseidon's blade aspect and any boon you get focusing on cast*?
lyric spoke
I think cast runs can be pretty good with any god as its focus if you have Poseidon's sword
brisk trail
That's what I thought, you need to retrieve them faster and easier if you want to make the cast viable, otherwise not worth it.
brisk trail
Because you get the casts back from enemy.
frigid radish
Hunting Blades, slice shot,fully loaded, burst shot + others
lyric spoke
You also get increased cast damage from it
To get that higher percent is really expensive in the blood department tho
brisk trail
Was never a fan of cast builds tbh. But I liked the smoke form from Dionysus.
Will grab the Poseidon's Aspect and go focus on cast and see how viable it can be.,
Or fun.,
edgy tendon
Noel I was once in your shoes
And then my lovely pink lady gave me a shotgun cast build.
Now i've been converted
brisk trail
lmao
brisk trail
Hmm
lyric spoke
Ohhh yea I had a really great shotgun build with the sword
brisk trail
Shotgun as in the gun aspects? Or you mean the cast turns to shotgun?
lyric spoke
Aphrodite cast is a sort of shotgun thingy
edgy tendon
mama always said
_ fastest way to a man's heart is through a shotgun_
Her cast turns your cast into a shotty
brisk trail
Will take your words for granted here and go now and try the cast with Aphrodite or any other God.
edgy tendon
With secondary shot boon from artemis brings a tear to my eye
brisk trail
Maybe this will help me on my 32 heat run.
lyric spoke
Oh yea one important thing with the cast build, Don't go for casts that don't stick to the enemy.
brisk trail
Okay, sounds insane.
brisk trail
Yeah, I got the first you know what unlocked, but now I am having a rough time with chaos shield build runs on 32 heat.
Trying to unlock the other two things at the same time.
rancid compass
what do you mean by stick to the enemy
brisk trail
Like, the 8 was basically very good experience for me, but the 32 is just now fun.
not* fun
lyric spoke
Certain casts don't get stuck to the enemy
And those casts you cant dislodge with the Poseidon sword
brisk trail
@edgy tendon What do you recommend then, for 32 heat run and with cast build?
Unless cast build is not viable option for 32 heat run and I am about to shoot myself in the leg. lol
edgy tendon
Heras aspect for bow I believe
brisk trail
Now that is interesting, yeah.
I am a huge fan of Chiron.
But will give Hera a fair chance.
edgy tendon
I can't use bow for the life of me
brisk trail
I think it;'s the bow that puts cast as arrows?
brisk trail
Okay, yeah, was thinking to use that but wasn't sure if it's worth it.
Hmmm
And focus my damage on casts, right?
brisk trail
Guess I'll have to sacrifice my health regen items to 100% then, in order to save time to 9 mins and maybe to give myself 2 choices of boons instead of 1
rancid compass
clearing elysium in 9 minutes sounds like hell
edgy tendon
^^^^^^
rancid compass
what happens on a timed run if you don't clear a floor within 9 minutes
does the run just fail
flat vapor
you start taking damage
lyric spoke
You start taking damage constantly until you're out of health and die
rancid compass
crazy
flat vapor
you don't die immediately, but it's lethal
lyric spoke
I asked this question earlier but it was skipped, The Hermes boon relative speed is legendary but I don't really understand why. It's not really been all that great when I've picked it up and I'm just really confused by it. Am I missing something?
frigid radish
not too sure tbh
probly because it'd be OP if you were starting out
and just got it
lyric spoke
I don't know it just seems so weak compared to the epic boons
There are even times I'd consider his rare boons more useful
true fern
Quick question: The keepsake that gives you 1% damage per cleared room without taking damage - Does the effect stay there after I switch keepsake to something else?
frigid radish
eh to be fair its still in beta
they have a lot of time before they need to have all the kinks out
lyric spoke
Nope the effect is gone if you switch
sick tree
@true fern - No, it goes away if you select another Keepsake
sick tree
Use it early on when it's easier to avoid damage, then switch to something more useful later
true fern
But the damage bonus isn't helping much against the easiest part of the game anyway : /
sick tree
I'll be honest: it isn't very useful
torpid vessel
Its bad
its additive too
so if you have 200% damage from aphrodite and you clear it to like 30% you're barely getting a 10% boost
mint scaffold
Than's butterfly makes an awesome keepsake if you're slick at not getting hit. It's better when upgraded
Although each keepsake seems to apply more to playstyle
torpid vessel
The plume is almost better in every way if you're going one of the 'can't switch off' ones
mint scaffold
Plume is also good. Speed an help to not get hit.
Although if one has a dash upgrade, the situation should encourage dashing,
torpid vessel
I mean, % dodge is the part you want
Ig you get a dodge boon + plume you have absurd durability even if you are hit since you'll dodge tons of damage
mint scaffold
Ah yes that's true.
mint scaffold
it might be worthwhile to have a mechanic that allows more than one keepsake
torpid vessel
Afaik they're most likely multiplicative or seperately calculated
so if you have 50% and 25% it'll check the 50, then the 25. Buuut I have no idea
true fern
Huh
flat vapor
you probably can't get up to 100% regardless
true fern
Makes the math a lot messier lol
torpid vessel
But really plume/butterfly/shackle are all really really... bad
flat vapor
for the keepsake, many of the rooms are non-encounters, and epic hermes dodge is like... 25%?
mint scaffold
When it comes to content the game has a weird...fence kind of thing. People that have played for so long get through easy in a few tries without heat. Newbies are slower but the same thing applies.
flat vapor
i find plume and butterfly enjoyable
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i believe much of the fun of using them is for the sake of the challenge
mint scaffold
Gungeon has a thing where if you don't get hit in a boss battle you get more prizes. I wonder if adding that could give boss battles more to them for Hades?
Also not getting hit is a fun challenge worth bragging rights
true fern
I feel like the effects should stay around after you switch keep sake. I really like that you can strategically switch your keepsakes around during the run, but those effects sort of negates that
What does the heart with dots in them mean in Achille's book (can't remember its name)?
I don't understand how to read all the heart stuff in there
flat vapor
look in the pins in #h1-story-discussion !
true fern
Oh thanks @flat vapor
rough torrent
Nothing like the death barge to escort you home from a 32 heat run.
jolly coyote
Nothing in the game makes me sweat quite as much as the death barge
true tinsel
Hi guys, quick question: am I the only one who doesn't have the special weapon skins ? My friend has them and he's at the same "level" as me, so i don't understand.
oak knot
weapon skins? you mean aspect right
true tinsel
Ow yes
flat vapor
you need to unlock all of the weapons, then do a run i believe
then when you choose a weapon you should see something special (and skelly will mention something to you as well)
true tinsel
I already unlocked all of them, that's the problem :/ But do I have to do a run with all of them also ?
oak knot
only 1 run i think, or just do a couple more and reset the game
vivid raven
awesome cool
true tinsel
I'll do that, thx guys
rich marsh
i never grab zeus boons
frigid radish
every time I see zeus im like uhhh.. ares / artemis / athena etc. are better
oak knot
Zeus works great with some aspects like Chiron and very meh with the rest
oak knot
yup so max level Chiron gives you 7 arrows and each arrow activates a lightning strike
frigid radish
Ah
oak knot
and with the hammer upgrade that gives you more arrows on special you can melt everything
ayy congrats Napaler
frigid radish
Every time I've done poison builds I do bad z.z
rich marsh
thanks
rough torrent
Zeus attack boons work with a few weapon aspects.
They're good for the rail's primary fire, for one thing.
oak knot
poison is really good, you just need a weapon with high attack speed, Rail, Chiron bow or Spear with flurry jab hammer upgrade
rough torrent
Zeus also has some very potent duos. Turning festive fog into a wine storm is very, very strong.
rough torrent
I mean, Zeus's attack boons are also very, very bad with certain attacks.
frigid radish
I tried zeus on rail but it seemed like it just took too long to kill stuff still
rough torrent
Flat damage scales best with fast, weak attacks.
oak knot
Try rail with zeus and artemis support fire too, very satisfying
proud orbit
Plus eris rail damage bonus
One of the only ways to keep your flat bonuses scaling well
Otherwise they can just sort of peak
oak knot
ooh also flurry fire + infinity chamber thanks to a perfect rng and you nothing can stand in your way anymore
sudden pike
anyone know the song that plays whenever you finish a room and are just standing around? the bass one
been looking but cant find it
safe crow
It should be essentially juat the bass portionnof the main theme
That you've just heard
There isn't a specific "song" afaik
sudden pike
rip, sounds good
safe crow
Just quickly check thru the playlist and see if you can find the melody of the bass
sudden pike
oh i want the bass alone
thats what ive been looking around for
but it looks like it isnt anywhere
safe crow
On the topic of songs
Man King and the Bull, and the God of Dead's drops just hit differently
When styxbot doesn't give me thumbs up
hexed smelt
it just did?
tender cipher
Multiple gods in a row just offered to feed me, must be something about Zag that makes them look at him and say "Does his ma not feed him?"
brisk trail
||No. No she does not.||
wide stream
is it me or is poseidon boons the worst?
weak stag
poseidon boons are the worst
void nova
Is Athena dash ever not best dash?
brisk trail
If you are using Hestia or Zagreus (Bow) and you have Hunter Dash.
dusky meteor
when you're done with the mirror, like unlocked everything, what do you do with your keys?
trade for nectar?
brisk trail
Keep some around for troves (do we still need keys for troves?), or trade them in, yeah.
I wish we could trade Darkness for Gemstones.
I maxed my mirror almost 30k Darkness ago and I just wish I could deck out the House.
dusky meteor
same, everytime I run into a darkness room, I almost always change hoping for gems
weak stag
athena dash is always the best dash
weak stag
if it didn't do any damage on both the dash and deflect it wouldn't be the best choice always
ember mountain
I personally prefer Artemis's Dash. Done some really nasty stuff with that.
arctic frigate
I agree. Execpt when athena dash triggers trap and make me run a lot
weak stag
basically it turns out being able to deflect any attack in the game is pretty op
ember mountain
1400 Dmg Bow shots with the explosive thingy 
brisk trail
Ooh, yeah, that's good.
ember mountain
First time going against Hades though, so I didn't.. get so far, but I almost had him!.
torpid vessel
gun does
brisk trail
They both do.
torpid vessel
bow does if you have the rapid fire hammer thing
brisk trail
Bow charges more quickly but has lower damage.