Wow I would love to see skelly once somewhere on second level haha 😂
#h1-discussion
hollow hazel
What do you guys think the final weapon is? I hope its hand wraps to playing into Greek wrestling.
unkempt gust
does anyone know if Ares aid is supposed to not get damage bonus from cast?
radiant tangle
What do you mean?
brisk trail
The artwork for the new patch is amazing. Babies Zag, Than, and Meg, with Numbskull Skelly?
vale kite
oh my GOD BABY THANATOS
brisk trail
RIGHT?
vale kite
tulip lava
hhhh
wet basalt
Where is Baby Hypnos tho
vale kite
dont ive already been pinned once today dfjhjgs<g
tulip lava
pinne
vale kite
blease
void vigil
going mad with power in this chilis tonight
remote lily
https://imgur.com/BnT25Eo Should I take the Decor ? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
brisk trail
Yes.
void vigil
duh
tulip lava
take iiiit
brisk trail
I spent a good week playing runs until I had enough to get the wall scroll.
(it never occurred to me to take Chthonic Coin Purse)
merry trail
I think I just turned down the heat, hoarded obol, and waited till it appeared
I don't think I won that run lol 500 obol was a lot to give!
remote lily
haha took it cuz it was medium run and i think it could take another few days till i had opportunity to do it
merry trail
that makes sense to me 😄 good call!
last stone
Can I post a picture of a cursed run and commiserate over how wack it was?
alpine stratus
absolutely, in #h1-builds-and-combat ! use a link for the pic please!
last stone
Sure, cheers!
safe granite
why can't I give any feedback?
tulip lava
read the pins
worn gale
I just encountered the strangest bug
I was trying to see if I could complete the game from the first run
but when I got to Asterius' room, he didn't apper only some gorgons. After slaying them the skeleton twins spawn and after killing them then encouter was over
All the other bosses worked fine, it was just this one that seemed to be glitched
tulip lava
how far did you get?
worn gale
got killed in the colosseum, killed asterius and got Thesseus down to half health
last stone
You know, coming into Hades. I could swear Skelly's voice actor was the same as Ron's from Pyre. But apparently Zagreus voices Skelly? Is that true? 
worn gale
but boy it was hard
alpine stratus
yyup
last stone
That's amazing
tulip lava
if you know darren also voiced rukey in pyre it makes a little more sense
last stone
Do Supergiant bring back lots of voice actors over multiple games, or did they get mostly brand new cast for Hades?
timber quartz
Is Ashley Barrett voicing anyone in Hades? I have been sad she hasn’t been singing for us 😦
tulip lava
funny voices are one of his many talents
worn gale
"pretty scary serving platter you got there"
last stone
What a treasure 
void vigil
@timber quartz she doesnt usually voice the characters, just sing as them! her VA equivalent seems to always be kristin wilson though
worn gale
I'm still wondering who are his employes
tulip lava
megalovania underworld mix
last stone
God damnit I realised what I was saying a moment after I sent the message
void vigil
also, lots of returning VAs from previous games (sunkrish bala when) but a lot of new ones, too, due to the larger cast and fully voiced dialogue!
tulip lava
i miss sunkrish bala
void vigil
lol is everyone going to call me rats now, what have i brought on myself
tulip lava
cyrus nemati really stepping up to the plate for hades
timber quartz
But I miss her nice songs in any case. Who knows, maybe there’s something in the works
void vigil
theres been some speculation on characters she might play since her voice has become such a staple for sg games
timber quartz
Persephone?
worn gale
she could play eurydice
timber quartz
Hera?
last stone
The voice acting is always superb in Supergiant games, thanks for the info! 
tulip lava
persephone already has a VA
timber quartz
Eurydice would be a good one
worn gale
and sing with orpheus
timber quartz
Yeah exactly good point
void vigil
eurydice has been the most common guess yes, but mayb we should move to spoilers w that 🤔
not sure, since its just speculation, but yknow
timber quartz
Tru tru
tulip lava
ancient greek myth spoilers
void vigil
lol
last stone
Don't read the forbidden lore 
void vigil
jan i keep thinking about your (illiad spoilers) it floored me
tulip lava
lmao
worn gale
I kinda hoped Odysseus was in the game as a different version of the Thesseus boss
but I mean hey, I'm super staisfied as it is so no biggie
last stone
Have they said if they're gonna have alternate boss fights for each biome, not just Tartarus? It does seem like a lot of work with something like the Hydra
timber quartz
Idk but man some other monsters with the Supergiant twist would be cool
Or other heroes in Elysium, like the oft-mentioned Herakles
nocturne ginkgo
I saw a few other people post in the tech support about death defies being a little headache inducing as it is now I am unable to play cause that death defy screen gives me migraines
I do hope a setting gets added to turn that off
jagged badger
The super secret lore is that Skelly ||is actually Kratos||
last stone
To be fair... there isn't an axe weapon in the game yet 
tulip lava
cries in spear
little inlet
i feel like spear has the weakest hammer upgrades
humble pulsar
Agreed there
last stone
For sure, it's a bit of a shame
humble pulsar
Sword is definitely not the weakest, atm I think that goes to the spear and that's because of how immobile you are while using it
little inlet
but with sword you have get up close to do damage
last stone
I love the hammer upgrades that really change up how you play the weapon
little inlet
which increases your chance of getting hit
flat vapor
which is why dashing exists
last stone
Charging the spear giant spin is just asking to die later on 
humble pulsar
If you master how to avoid damage/attacks, the sword's damage output is almost unparalleled
flat vapor
also i'd say weapons discussion would go in #h1-builds-and-combat
void vigil
@last stone you could check the roadmap in-game (bottom right side of the main menu, click the countdown) for a more detailed breakdowns of the planned additions to the game!
last stone
I don't think I've checked it for this update, was waiting for after I beat the big bad boss. Thanks for reminding me
void vigil
its usually spoiler free, im pretty sure! this one certainly is, i just read it.
patch notes are also spoiler free, youll see that the final boss is listed as "final boss". im sure they dont want to spoil their own great surprise
last stone
That makes sense! I just wanted to go in as blind as possible y'know?
void vigil
yeah! ofc :}
junior crane
man gotta say, didn't think a 96% aphro buff to healing rewards would be good, but here I am entering styx with 431 max hp
remote ember
@remote lily whooooaaaa how the heck did you get that much money by that point?!!?!?!!?!?!
void vigil
janeen, i had a run earlier with 2 affluence boons from chaos and oceans bounty
i got to 1.5K obol in elysium still, im pretty sure
jagged badger
Every time I see those buffs, I say to myself "They're good but I should go for damage"
And I always regret it
junior crane
welp even with half of my 430+ hp I couldn't defeat REDACTED sad
first time getting to it though
really cool
last stone
I've died with over 1000 gold before, the price of greed and too many chaos boons
jagged badger
I keep having my Chaos portals disappear
last stone
Didn't even get to go shopping before I bit the dust
jagged badger
It's made me stop running the egg
olive jungle
like you get in the room and they blink out?
jagged badger
Yup
olive jungle
please F10 that, we're working on it lol
jagged badger
Oh sure
olive jungle
is it just ones spawned by light of ixion?
jagged badger
Nope
jagged badger
I went into a dual boon chamber and it disappeared right after the fight
olive jungle
oh i did hear one like that too actually
jagged badger
Only one that showed up in the entire run
olive jungle
but yeah whenever you see it please F10
jagged badger
Gotcha
olive jungle
at worst, if your bug isn't a bug, we just close it out, your reports let us know at the very least how frequent something is
jagged badger
I had completely forgotten about hitting 
to report bugs until I had a crash
I asked in tech-support and was reminded
Going forward I'll keep it in mind if anything comes up
trim ridge
First time reaching Theseus and my computer gives up on me feelsbadman
indigo lark
oh good to hear I'm not the only one seeing chaos gates disappear
I thought I was imagining things
vast shell
tempted to start over because i'm looking at the "attempts: 19" on my save and being a little embarrassed that out of those I've only reached Asphodel once
jagged badger
Hahahaha, I had that feeling recently
hollow merlin
Everyone plays at a different rate. No reason to be embarrassed or to start over 😛
vast shell
also in case they added earlier-game conversations and stuff since I started (right about at beefy update iirc) that I might have missed 🤔
tulip lava
you still saved some darkness and keys
don't throw those down the drain
i'm pretty sure all new conversations can be triggered
scenic mica
I don’t think they add new stuff you can’t see if you’ve passed it before
It should pop up as long as you’ve never personally seen it
vast shell
i'm pleasantly surprised by how the house of hades is a little different every time
sometimes certain NPCs are in different places or missing, etc.
(cerberus get back here so I can pet you 
)
scenic mica
^^^ Cerberus gives good luck if you pet before runs, can confirm from a stream. My best time was after many pets
hollow merlin
time to pet Cerb for the next 4 hours
tulip lava
only pet one head and make the other head stew in jealousy for 4 hours
granite pecan
lowkey i wish they had alternate animations for cerb petting because the other heads need love too
brisk trail
Someone figure out the rough amount of money it would take for two additional animations, start a GoFundMe.
alpine blaze
So are there many more updates planned before full release?
next shore
At least one coming in about 2 months time, and they said that release will probably be some time in 2020, so there might be another one between that patch and the full release.
remote lily
@remote ember I sold 1 upgrade for 155, had a few level with money reward and at the same room as charon shop i had 300 gold /3key trove
so even i bought something before i still had a lot of money hah
thorny crescent
It's nice we can get two daedelus upgrades now. I know that happened a few patches back but I like it when upgrades synergize
I haven't made it to the end yet. Just kinda get stuck in elysium lately. Havent gotten a good combo, or at least I've probably made the wrong choices when it comes to upgrading.
frigid canopy
thorny crescent
Never been that lucky lol
hidden summit
I had always usually gotten two per run
red flame
@red coral any chance we can get access to the new main screen wallpaper? 😄
asking for new video thumbnail 😛
red coral
That would be a question for the developers!
prisma kite
yo, up front, i really like the art style and the game in general...
BUT... (there's always a but)
I do feel like Asphodel is the least good-looking of the 4 zones, even if the justification is that it's been flooded by the river Phlegeton and is therefor a hellish lavascape, i feel like it just doesn't quite have the same pollish/crispness as the other zones, maybe it's just the fairly samey colour-scheme of the place because of all the lava, it just doesn't feel nearly as nice to the eyes as the other zones
red coral
I don’t have any control over the art pipeline haha
prisma kite
what do u guys think?
red flame
@prisma kite I actually like all of em I mean I have my complaints
red coral
Ask in #supergiant-games or #server-suggestions, probably the latter!
prisma kite
i think elysium is my favorite one in terms of pollish, in the sense that on the side of the screen you have spears and stuff just hanging on the hills and stuff
just in general seems a lot more art on the screen
red flame
I have not fully checked the new zone
just came bac kfrom vacation
working on an update video
dont spoil ^^
prisma kite
elysium isn't the newest tho
i like the latest zones as well but i'll not get too much into that then
also how does the feedback channel actually work?
just curious, i assume the artists at supergiant are probably perpetually doodling and making stuff better so my feedback right now migh be irrelevant by next patch already
red coral
They read it and keep an eye on feedback they deem relevant for the next patch
It’s worth putting there even if it gets passed over ultimately
prisma kite
yeah but how does stuff get put in there
it's always on slow mode and i can't seem to actually write stuff in there
red coral
Read the pins in the channel!
prisma kite
aah alright that makes sense
pretty neat and orderly
anyone know if Hades will include mod support when it releases fully? i'm assuming not and i can't seem to find it immediately
olive jungle
None of SGG's other games have included explicit mod support, no
I would assume this one won't either
That doesn't mean the games aren't moddable at all though - a few people have done things like text and event mods, there just aren't any guides or specifically sanctioned ways of going about it
fiery pebble
You can do your own minor balance changes right now, it's pretty simple
Bigger changes are tricky
Took me a good while to change an upgrade from % to flat
olive jungle
Text mods are mostly super easy if you know where to look
I've done it for Joaks™ before.
hexed smelt
i should revisit ye olde Bee Movie Modde
alpine stratus
bee memberance
sick tree
First time coming back to Hades in a while, prior to the Big Bad Update,
How are things?
vocal cypress
i know that this is a really weird comment to make but i wish the title of the game was different. because of the mythological nature of the story, its harder to find stuff that people make when you just type in Hades into like, tumblr or twitter, because its the name of something already existing. I mean, Hades the Game works i suppose but doesn't really roll off the tongue as much.
vale kite
Hell
sterile peak
Introducing HECK, our new game now in Early Access!
timber quartz
Question for the room - I'm a little perplexed about the feedback rules. I posted a couple days ago a usability thing (the reward for Thanatos was unclear, or at least the fact that you don't get the heart if you don't win) but lots of people said it was against the rules?
A common thing I got was people telling me in Discord how that worked (thanks!) but I still felt like it was valuable to mention since plenty of people will play it without being on Discord 😃
alpine stratus
sorry, what exactly was against the rules?
were you being redirected to report as a bug, or were you unclear on how to post?
timber quartz
I'm hesitant to repost a feedback I already posted - could I maybe DM you instead?
alpine stratus
ok!
hexed smelt
@timber quartz unfortunately, a lot of people seem to use the ❌ as a "super-disagree" even though it's not meant to be used like that
timber quartz
hm well I suppose there's not much I can do about that.
humble pulsar
X is supposed to mark feedback that isn't really "relevant" to what they're trying to get. Imo this is supposed to mean things like bugfixes or suggestions on specific content.
alpine stratus
yuppp
humble pulsar
Specifically like a "you should add x character from Greek myth in y biome that does z". That's the kind of stuff that should be X'd because they're looking for feedback, not suggestions :p
I would ignore X's on your post as unless it has lots and lots of X's, it's likely someone just having an off day who wants to super disagree with your feedback :p
hexed wyvern
yo can you play this game offline
humble pulsar
I believe so, just can't get updates if you're offline ofc
EGS does have an offline mode now right I'm super behind and don't pay attention to it's updates
hexed wyvern
is it good for like long periods of time cause i am going on a trip where i wont have internet and want a good game for it
humble pulsar
Oh yes definitely
hexed wyvern
i liked bastion a lot
humble pulsar
I've spent a good 30-40 hours on this game. Definitely a game that would work well for that.
hexed wyvern
alright i am gonna get it
humble pulsar
It's a Roguelite, so you'll be running it repeatedly to try and win.
humble pulsar
While the main story isn't fully in place yet, the game's mechanics allow you to develop a whole bunch of mini-stories between lots of characters.
So yes, I would say so
hexed wyvern
alright cause i am in between this game and sinking city
humble pulsar
The game has a mechanic where you gift NPCs to earn run benefitting bonuses and also learn more about them and have conversations with them.
hexed wyvern
sounds cool
humble pulsar
Hades is likely the most story focused Roguelite I've played. Puts a lot of emphasis on its characters and character development. So I'd argue if you liked previous Supergiant titles, you'll like this one.
humble pulsar
Don't actually remember tbh. Don't think it's that big?
hexed wyvern
makes sense
hexed wyvern
i kinda wish it was on nintendo switch but i guess it will look better on my laptop
humble pulsar
It is Early Access atm so I do recommend giving it a test run before you leave on vacation on the low off chance you need to troubleshoot
fiery pebble
It probably will be released on that once its finished
But its still a ways away until that
sick tree
Laaaag... why is there so much lag all of a sudden?
and no, it's not my machine,
This game just has some weirdly fluctuating frame-rate problems,
To do with optimisation, I assume?
Most of the time it's butter smooth, but has periods of a few hours to a few days where there's devastating slowdown
Usually in the aftermath of an update
halcyon heron
I noticed a lot that the game's memory consumption started skyrocketing to well over a gig+; this typically corresponded with slowdowns
vast shell
I wish I could pet Cerb when I have an ambrosia I'm saving for someone (meeeeeeg get out here)
uncut umbra
I have a name-request 😄 the
"Wave-Maker" enemy sounds pretty lame next to its peers like the "Slam-Dancer"
So my suggestion is "Grave-Waker." I mean, that's basically what his move can do, rustle the land a little roughly. It matches his lore too !
uncut umbra
lmao
He leaves Quakes in his Wake, but the fact that he's a skeleton led to my suggestion
stone kestrel
Is there any word what the tables with the laurels inscription do, if anything? As far as I can tell that is the only art asset that exists in every single Biome. Can't really be a coincidence, right?
alpine stratus
it is pinned in gameplay!!
fiery pebble
He meant the literal tables
stone kestrel
No not the laurels on the doors
fiery pebble
As in, the little objects you see while playing
stone kestrel
Exactly
fiery pebble
I did notice that they were in all biomes
I dont think they do anything
Theyre just filler objects if I had to guess
brisk trail
Does anyone actually use the spreading boons for the both?
like ever
And thought that they were actually useful
stone kestrel
Yeah. It appears to be the case for now atleast, you can't really do anything with them. Maybe there is some plans for them in the future though. They are even engrained in the walls in Styx, I think the only other things that are that is things you can interact with
humble pulsar
spreading boons?
humble pulsar
oh you mean like Triple Shot?
brisk trail
And the double shot
humble pulsar
Twin Shot makes them fire side by side so its more of a "double your dps"
brisk trail
But when you have your special
Wassss the point
They do the same thing
But one is less affective
humble pulsar
Special's damage is much much lower compared to Primary damage
brisk trail
If you are far away
humble pulsar
Primary damage is up to 60 with a properly timed shot, each special arrow is 10
brisk trail
Well that is if both of your shots hit
humble pulsar
If you run right up to someone and power shot them with triple shot, you're gonna do a lot of damage. (itll be more than your special because your special doesnt shoot 18 arrows at least by default)
brisk trail
And that also means these are almost useless against someone like Hades because of his speed and you have almost no time to stop to charge an arrow
humble pulsar
Twin Shot makes the arrows fire literally on top of each other, at least as far as I can tell from using it, which means they don't spread out at all, so its effectively just doing 2x damage.
brisk trail
Well unless that enemy attacks you before that
Okay but what about triple shot?
Unless you are hugging them
You ain't doing nothing
humble pulsar
can help with some wave clear, but yeah imo its a niche case useful upgrade
brisk trail
Unless you are fighting some slow boi
gilded rampart
Does anyone know how different damage buffs stack? Or where I can look to find details on it? I can't find anything on the wiki
humble pulsar
In general I don't like playing up close and personal with the bow, so its not one I'd take. I think there are people who use it.
brisk trail
Ye
humble pulsar
All damage buffs are additive, so they take the percentage of base damage on the weapon and add that to the damage.
brisk trail
I mean whenever i get that boon I just spam my head into the keyboard
Also
Can you get the bomb shot with no charge time
On bow
Cuz id doubt you do
humble pulsar
Example: You do 60 Damage with the rail special. If you get an addon that does 50% more damage with it, that special will deal 90 damage (60 + 50% of amount which is 30)
The exception is critical hits. Critical hits will take the total amount of damage you would have dealt, and then multiply it by 3. (And then take that additive formula, and add onto it with any "your crits deal more damage")
I should clarify that on the wiki when I get the chance to
Also no Rapid Shot cannot be combined with Explosive Shot, those 2 upgrades are mutually exclusive from each other.
brisk trail
Ye
So basically
I have a reason to slam my head
When I get a sniper shot, bomb shot and triple shot as my boons
Aight thanks for the clarifications
Also just another questiono
What's up with these fancy roles that you folks have
I am big confused pal
gilded rampart
Is there any way to increase the base damage of the bow? Other than power shotting and/or multiple projectiles?
brisk trail
With power increasing boons?
Ye know, from Gods
I mean besides that there are the two items you can equip
gilded rampart
base damage
brisk trail
The pierced butterfly
gilded rampart
not total damage
brisk trail
O
gilded rampart
I'm guessing not but if you could it'd be really powerful
humble pulsar
Pierced butterfly acts as a global additive percentage to all damage you do
So it will affect damage you do that normally isnt increasable from percentages, such as Poison stack damage.
The only things that can increase the base damage of weapons (at least to my knowledge) are Daedalus Hammers. Some upgrades offer increases in base damage.
alpine stratus
hi, please keep it clean!
brisk trail
Anything for best doggo Cerberus
halcyon heron
So google "Megaera". Top result alongside wikipedia is somehow the picture from hades.
It outranks the world of warcraft boss of the same name from 6 years ago!
fiery skiff
It would be good to have thanatos/hermes trinkets buff remain after switching to another trinket
Now you either do the whole run with 'em or don't pick 'em up at all 🤔
last stone
I feel like that'd just make the Lambent Plume the trinket you always start with to clear out Tartarus and get the free 10-12% dodge chance and then swap it out.
Dunno if that'd be better than being forced to stick with it, it's a hard keepsake to balance!
I guess it's kinda cool to have a keepsake or two that rewards you for sticking with it as opposed to swapping at every biome change
sterile peak
I like having to keep it equipped the whole run
otherwise people would just use Butterfly/Plume for Tartarus and then swap to Skull Earring
fiery skiff
Plume is kinda hard to stack after tartarus, especially when you do heat runs, so it's 10-12% anyway
butterfly works the whole game but after I get ~30% bonus damage I would love to use some safe trinkets
Doesn't seem op tho 🤔
acoustic wave
anyone have any tips on how to beat the final boss
i can brute force my way through phase 1 using my death defiances but i always die like 5 seconds into phase 2 lmao
humble pulsar
I mean right now you pick up the Coin Purse for the 200 immediate gold it offers.
in the first biome
and 10-12% chance really isnt worth the keepsake slot, in all honesty
sterile peak
if I'm not running butterfly/plume, I usually go God -> Coin Purse -> Skull Earring -> Skull Earring
mint rivet
granite geyser
tulip lava
nice
timber quartz
Nice
vapid drift
nice
humble pulsar
last boss is always chamber 69 :kappa:
vast shell
imagine: a montage of failed meg fights set to devo's "whip it"
I'm not actually going to make that, just imagine it
brisk trail
Of course.
I've wanted a BF1 bayonet charge montage set to Yakkety Sax for about two years now.
"Asterius chases Zag for 10 minutes set to Yakkety Sax."
remote ember
just the thought of that existing is HILARIOUS. 😂 His floating chase animation is so funny! It seems so out-of-place! 😂 He's still a super tough boss, though...
What?! Cerberus gives you good luck if you pet him before a run?!?!!? In what way??? 😮 😮 😮 : O 😮 : O: O:O 😮 😮
void vigil
i dont think they mean that petting cerberus actually gives you good rng, i think its just... ah, i dont actually have the right word for it
superstition?? like when you kiss or blow on your hand before throwing dice to get the number you want?
vast shell
i only have a cat in real life, does that count
brisk trail
Yes.
forest bridge
I'm abit of a starter to hades, How much weapons are there?
flint gust
At the moment, 5
3 mostly melee and 2 mostly ranged
forest bridge
Alright so I already unlocked all the weapons.
forest bridge
Nice, I hope it'll be similiar to shield, That's my fav weapon.
loud thunder
What's the difference between boon rarity and the levels upgraded by pom of powers?
winter python
I believe Poms increase the numbers/stats of the boon; Boon rarity sort of does the same thing - the higher the rarity, the higher the base stat of the boon.
wheat canopy
Does the game currently have an ending in place when you beat the final boss? No spoilers, just want to know if the ending is included yet.
dark tusk
There's a final boss but no ending as such
wheat canopy
Perfect, thanks.
olive jungle
The "ending" per se is probably being reserved for the full release of the game in 2020
wheat canopy
Definitely going to jump back in, but i'm looking to play from scratch and experience it all once the ending is in place. Nothing for it but to wait at this point.
void vigil
I definitely plan to do the same! I’m going to play on my save every update, but I’ll start a new one once the game is out of early access and has a proper ending
speaking of, I should probably back up my current save, huh
dark tusk
I wonder how endgame/postgame will look
keen shadow
As someone who just deleted their save by mistake this morning, let's just say it's not fun at all to redo everything from scratch >_>
void vigil
we’ll see! It’s probably better discussed in #h1-story-discussion though, just in case it delves into that category.
gilded hawk
Just to make sure, hearts with locks in the codex means those events aren't in the game yet right?
void vigil
Yep!
plucky parrot
The new enemy ... Snakestones or whatever they're called? keep floating off into space where I can't reach them
Especially with some poseidon boons etc. !
gilded hawk
Yeah, that happens to me as well
It's not great
winter python
That can probably go into feedback; pretty darn irritating
olive jungle
If they're blocked by like, stuff in the foreground and you can't see them, or if they go offscreen, please report with F10!
Some of those spots have already been caught but we appreciate the reports nevertheless
Otherwise if they're just over a pit, that's intended as long as you can see them
But feel free to leave feedback!
winter python
I think they're just floating over the black, inaccessible spaces in Styx's chambers due to knockback effects. so it shouldn't be a bug per se. But it does feel pretty irritating to try and reach them
loud thunder
Is there a way to find the POM upgrades for each boon, like how the values and stats improve? I can't find the details on the wiki.
flat vapor
get a pom reward and look at the boon info
foggy swan
OK, is 69 rooms to the final boss an intentional numer? I gotta know
winter python
I think for Pom upgrades, you can expect the numbers to be pretty minor. That's what I've seen thus far.
loud thunder
I guess i'm going on a wild ride to look at the game files for POM data
void nova
I keep forgetting to ask, what does it mean when the reward preview is sparkly?
winter python
I don't think I pay enough attention to the details (which I should), but if in not wrong if it's sparkly, it usually also has a skull on the preview which means the room will be more difficult but the reward is better
flat vapor
blue laurels with a skull is usually just harder enemies for a better reward
gold laurels with a skull is usually a boss/miniboss room
void nova
Laurels??
flat vapor
void nova
oh
i like how the ones called "Mystery" are the most predictable rooms in the game lol
coarse patrol
it's mathematically possible to clear at least
but this isn't a legit run, I just save-scummed every single room
I don't see anyone doing this legit any time soon lol
this was several hundred deaths over the course of it
hades on 120 was fun though
plucky parrot
Okay seriously, the "ambrosia gives you additional life" boon just straight up reduces the chances for ambrosia, right?
The RNG gods can't hate me THAT much
winter python
Tbf I dont usually get Ambrosia that much anyway
plucky parrot
Yeah I don't need it at this point, either. But if I have the Dionysus boon anyway and the alternative is heat or darkness (which I don't need either) then might as well right?
winter python
I usually pick up that boon just for the fact it gives me an ambrosia. Just started so I value it haha
plucky parrot
Oh yeah, I used to always go for ambrosia at first. Wanted to unlock all the dialouge! 😉
It's just- I've had runs where I got like 4 bottles. But whenever I get that boon you bet your butt that's the last bottle of ambrosia I'll be seeing for that run
simple parcel
timber quartz
In your defense, Styx has only been in the game for a few days 😛
plucky parrot
Oof, Hermes' move-faster-after-dodging boon make the game really hard to control :/ I'm actually getting hit MORE since I move in such an unfamiliar way
finite thistle
I am sure that they've been hearing a lot, but the second patch really was a step back. Lots of people on Reddit agreeing as well. I don't mind some additional difficulty, as Styx did seem a little too easy with a tough build, but they went too far in my opinion. For the first time ever, a lot of hours into the game, I feel like I'm not really enjoying the game at times. Certain rooms in Styx are just too hard and Hades is INSANE. I think they need to find a nice middle ground between the original patch and the newer one.
By the way, is there a forum for feedback still? It's says I can't post in the feedback forum.
flat vapor
read the pins
fiery skiff
I already described the problem - game should be challenging, not just hard
Artificial increasing hp/dmg + making stuff like 5 lasers-shooting dusa is not challenging
And honestly, yes, I'm kinda upset about that, because roguelikes are mostly about challenges
hearty dragon
The 5 laser brimstone enemies in styx are the absolute worst, I lost around 120 health in one room because of 3 of them shooting at me
their ability to deal that much damage in such a short amount of time is just infuriating
coarse patrol
it's more how difficult it is to dodge when there's multiples of them I think
same with the satyrs
hearty dragon
yeah, but i dont lose 50 hp in 3 seconds from a satyr
coarse patrol
I don't really like the new brimstones or satyrs, the rats and the bomb things are reasonable
hearty dragon
i agree, and the satyrs i think are more reasonable as long as you always keep in mind where the cures are
coarse patrol
yeah, they're a bit more problematic on higher heat because of the increased damage they deal
feels quite difficult to dodge their attacks
hearty dragon
the shield is super good against that lvl though, cause you can effectively cancel all of the problems of both the brimstones and satyrs
you just hold it down and it blocks it all
coarse patrol
not if there's satyrs at multiple different angles :p
hearty dragon
well yeah
coarse patrol
it's the multiple angles on brimstones/satyrs that make it a problem I think
hearty dragon
what do yall think is the most powerful weapon?
i believe it to be the sword due to its massive damage output and its insanely good hammer upgrades as well as its powerful comboability with the special
jagged badger
The bow as a pure power weapon has wild damage output with its power shot upgrades
The sword is much more well rounded and benefits from a wider range of its potential upgrades
hearty dragon
i have never done well with the bow, it seems too clunky and unable to do as much damage as everything else
jagged badger
It took me a while to get down where/how to position enemies
and using the dashing arrow, which I don't feel is smooth to use, is effective for getting of snap shots
hearty dragon
i also love the shield for its utility and damage output
bold dome
I wouldn't call Sword the most powerful. It doesn't really gel as well with the cast mechanic as the ranged weapons do, for example. And Shield's always been quite good.
jagged badger
Shield is very well rounded
hearty dragon
i have had my most broken runs on it so far, and it is the only weapon where ive never died to hades with it
the sword that is
jagged badger
It's got a great basic attack, great special, great power attack
and you can just block stuff
I got the quick attack upgrade and the Ares curse/stacking curse boon
Plus Athena/Ares duo boon
hearty dragon
the worldsplitter is godly
that with the artemis attack boon is unbelievably scary
jagged badger
And you can snag the hammer upgrade that increases the attack damage and crit chance of your regular attack after you use a special
solemn fable
hey everyone, is it just me or does the difficulty curve feels off since the last update ? I mean, I have absolutely no problem getting to the last boss but usually just get killed in a few hits. Before, the difficulty of theseus and the minotaur seemed more on-par with the difficulty of the previous chambers.
sterile peak
that seems to be the general concensus
flat vapor
timber topaz
For my part, when I'm doing a serious run, (like, higher heat), it's gotta be the shield.
I just get sudden rush, and either dashing wallop or armor shredder, and just go to town.
I'm invincible the majority of the time from dashing/charging, and the rest of the time, I'm moving so fast, I'm basically never where the enermies are aiming.
Stack on the fact that you block a significant range of attacks while charging a charge, and you've got survivability for days, and no lack of damage
arctic notch
rip save house fire had to make new comp but nothing saved over after reinstall is that normal
void vigil
yeah, there are no cloud saves right now. :(
arctic notch
rip
humble pulsar
I mean I have cloud saves on epic now...
vast shell
sorry to hear about your house fire
digital garnet
I still can't beat thesus and mino reliably )':
I've only gotten to see the last biome once ;n;
brisk trail
A big part of the fight is developing an intuition for the timing to dodge Theseus' spear, and remembering to count Asterius' chain attacks
brisk trail
^
Theseus' spear throw will stop bouncing around Zagreus' model and turn a bright red shortly before he throws it.
velvet lion
I just learned that you can also use old boi mino to block the spear
pulsar pumice
- Is there any plans to support 21:9 resolutions without borders?
- Is there any way we can turn off the 'big skull art work' at wide screen resolutions? I find these highly distracting and would rather have black bars than colourful artwork.
stray jay
i was wondering when the new weapon is coming 
crude yacht
Are the last two weapons in the game yet?
void vigil
two?
I’m pretty sure there’s one more weapon planned as of right now, but I could be wrong
blissful gorge
I love this game, and have two wins, but so far, the Hydra fight is just the worst slog. The extra heads are such a pain in the neck to burn down no matter what weapon/boons I'm using, so the fight always takes forever.
winter python
What boons do you usually do? It can be quite a test of endurance, but with some boons like Artemis and Ares, it can be pretty fast
hollow heron
I'm with them, hydra has always been a messy slog
You just take damage because there's 8 different things that all blend in to dodge at once
blissful gorge
Thing is, Hydra's never a threat to me. It's just a long freaking fight. I can dodge his hits, I can counter his shots, but I still have to chew through moutains of HP. He's the least fun boss
winter python
I certainly don't disagree that he's the least fun boss. Definitely still manageable though. Theseus is probably the most fun one to fight imo
humble pulsar
Theseus is by far my favorite boss. He's got super great character and really fun mechanics.
fiery skiff
@blissful gorge absolutely agree, especially boring phases when only one head is present
regal pagoda
I kinda wish they would pace the fight differently.
The downphases where you only fight the main head feel very dull and aren't needed.
Also feels fairly anticlimatic.
Mainhead fight should go to like 50%, then you fight the wave with two heads, immediatly afterwards the wave with 4, then the wave with 6 and after that, you finish off the main head
onyx sigil
I think they’re there to give you breathing room between the multiple head phases
regal pagoda
Really giving you that claustrophobic feeling of fighting a beast regrowing it's heads multiple times as you fight it
I can only speak from my own experience here. I hate breaks like that.
I can't allow myself to be put in and out of the zone repeadedly like that.
If I do that,getting back into the zone leads to me making mistakes.
That aside, I just think it would make for a more exciting battle that would just flow better.
Because that is another thing to note: The duration of a battle is just as relevant to the tax a fight puts on you as is the difficulty.
And I am more of an intense sprinter than an marathoner who allows himself to make picnic breaks.
brisk trail
Hydra frustrates me mostly because the heads that bite at you can't be dodged sideways, you have to just get out of their range entirely when they attack. :/
But that's just my bad
Kind of like the old bloodless
regal pagoda
"Hugskulls" as I like to call them
brisk trail
Hehe
vapid drift
maybe have it do the classic 'regrow with two heads instead of one' thing?
vale kite
Hardcore mode concept: fight starts with all heads out and the main head can use all of its moves
Hydra's health is divided between its 7 heads
The green head spawns wave-makers instead of regular bloodless
The pink head spits more fireballs
The yellow head is uhhhh more aggressive
And the purple head shoots more waves
fiery skiff
This is how boss should look (except "more fireballs" etc for heatless playthrough)
Main head is useless now
vapid drift
the hydra, except every time you kill a head two more spawn, until there are seven. then they die!
blissful gorge
I'd be totally happy if the hydra fight was all seven at once and they were one big shared lifebar. It'd be more fun than long Invul phases.
crude yacht
I don't know if I've ever had a build more OP than Bouncy Doom Spear. Maybe Poison or Lightning Special Bow
What have y'all found for OPness?
gilded hawk
Mark+general critical chance from Artemis, Ares cast and duo Ares/Artemis boon
Pretty much an afk win
tropic panther
Hunting blades surely is the most op thing in the game, also one of the hardest to build, I was able to get only 20% of my runs lately
now I run aphrodite cast with tons of artemis boons and centaur hearts
managed to pick aphrodite legendary last run and made him a puppet, charmed 30% of the fight
fervent flame
Had a really fun cast heavy run with Poseidon cast, 240 gem dislodge damage, 45% dmg second projectile on cast, faster dislodge, +2 gems, +60% cast speed and full auto. Applied weak with my dash and doom with my special for the curse damage buff and just blew everything up with splash damage.
flat vapor
remember that the final boss is considered a spoiler
tropic panther
everyone knows that theres a final boss
gilded hawk
Yeah, but not their name
flat vapor
if the patch notes deliberately go out of their way to not name the final boss, i think it's a spoiler 😛
tropic panther
nobody said the boss name
tropic panther
no
tropic panther
I didnt said that he is the final boss
gilded hawk
Bruh
tropic panther
the ones spoiling are u
red coral
People shouldn’t know a particular character is a boss regardless of if they are the final or not
tropic panther
the ones spoiling are you
tropic panther
you are lost
lack of text interpretation, you read what you want to read, not what was written
void vigil
please give the rules a once-over again, especially the first and third ones! Some things can only pretty much be interpreted as one thing, and that is spoilers, which belong in #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat and not here.
You can find them in the #readme-first channel.
tropic panther
Ive never said who is the final boss
void vigil
I’m very sorry to tell you that you have. :(
tropic panther
no
signal spoke
You did mention that you fought a character that people may not know is an enemy.
tropic panther
but never said who is the final boss as people are saying i did here
signal spoke
Regardless, that message needed to be deleted for spoiler reasons.
tropic panther
you're free to delete, but Ill not take something that I didnt
tepid yacht
please don’t fight with the other moderators. if they took action against something, it was for good reason.
tropic panther
im not fighting, im correcting from wrong acusations they are mading against me
flat vapor
i mean, the name of the final boss was literally in the post lmao, i wouldn't have made a comment otherwise
tropic panther
you guys are saying that im spoileing the name of the final boss, but i never said who is the final boss, never said "X" is the final boss
if u take a name here and say that this one is the final boss, the spoilers are you
void vigil
You stated the name of the final boss in the context of a fight, which made it obvious it is in the game even if you didn’t outright say it was. We’re not saying you intentionally spoiled it for everyone, these things happen.
tropic panther
lack text interpretation, read what you want to read, not was written
brisk trail
Dude.
void vigil
Guys, let’s drop it please
brisk trail
Got it.
void vigil
Anyway
tropic panther
thats the conclusion that people which lack interpretation does
red coral
Orpheus........
brisk trail
I want to see Charon if only because I'm hoping they're only barely going to change it.
alpine stratus
orpheus..................
tepid yacht
orpheus!!!
fervent flame
Sisyphus deserves a face for all that boulder pushing.
flat vapor
orpheus and sisysphus!!!
red coral
U know what ur valid
tepid yacht
i hope sisyphus is posed leaning on bouldy or something in his portrait
olive jungle
the Beef
show us the Beef
red coral
This implies the existence of a bouldy portrait 👀
olive jungle
we know sisyphus is hiding the beef
brisk trail
Asterius already has a model and portrait, though.
alpine stratus
ok but imagine a placehouldy........the cape with a :)) underneath
tepid yacht
well bouldy and sisyphus are a packaged deal and afaik bouldy doesn’t speak enough for his own portrait
olive jungle
sisyphus: i get to stay in shape!
sisyphus' model: be like that
flat vapor
beefy 2.0 update
hexed smelt
i mean, the fallen warrior ||(patroclus)|| has elements of the elysium environment in his portrait so Maybe.....
flat vapor
orpheus beef update
tepid yacht
never forget the beefy update
brisk trail
I want everyone to get in-game models, mostly.
hexed smelt
@fervent flame spoiler tags or write around the name
brisk trail
Is it weird that I also want Nyx to have a heavily-hooded portrait?
red coral
Sisyphus: gets a portrait
Us: beef, beef, we’re the beef
fervent flame
Gotcha
tepid yacht
now that the big content is in the game, i wouldn’t be surprised if more polished stuff like that is next!
hexed smelt
hey can i repost that comparison of achilles and sisyphus's models just to Emphasise how ripped sisy is
hexed smelt
if i can find it
olive jungle
sisyphus makes achilles look weak
flat vapor
april fools update where all portraits are replaced with beefier versions
cold flower
if i have a question about a game mechanic should i ask it here?
olive jungle
hexed smelt
left achilles right sisyphus
flat vapor
extra beefy
olive jungle
LOOK AT HIS ARMS
red coral
Nyx— still hooded but the color of Chaos
tepid yacht
the posture is different too
alpine stratus
i want nyx to have a baby baby coat
tepid yacht
he got them beefy shoulders back
hexed smelt
reminder that when i saved achilles' portrait i did so as arm,,,,,,.png and sisy's arms are BIGGER
alpine stratus
like chaos' but less babies
flat vapor
speaking of nyx and chaos i want more on that story line
olive jungle
SAME
alpine stratus
SAME
void vigil
SAME
hexed smelt
hat
olive jungle
we haven't had new nyx lines in So Long
olive jungle
dkfjghfdkjg bigger than before........
alpine stratus
dunks achilles in vinegar for a day
tepid yacht
FHDKFHSKFJSKFHD
red coral
Vinegar anti harm juice
olive jungle
have you seen the tumblr post that's like "thetis puts achilles in one of these (french fry basket) and just swirls him around"
hexed smelt
YES
flat vapor
achilles should've worn leg warmers to battle, would've protected him 😔
alpine stratus
achilles battle heels
olive jungle
apollo: man i hate this guy, i should kill him
apollo: aw man he's wearing leg warmers, guess that plan's out the window
alpine stratus
jhfhjfhjfhj
flat vapor
can't hit the heel when you're admiring the leg warmers
brisk trail
You should look at the video I posted in #h1-builds-and-combat . I got him back for all of us.
balmy aurora
Wanted a Poseidon run so I took his trinket (conch). Got Poseidon in the first room and then (almost) never again. Not in first room of Asphodel, not in first room of Elyseum, not in any random room, one sold by Charron in Cerberus room.
Gods trinkets are a bit weak compared to Pierced Butterfly, Hermes feather or even Medusa Duster that have a real impact all along the run. Or did a missed a subtility here ?
onyx sigil
As far as I know, the game kinda rolls what stuff you’ll get in advance, and only then replaces the boom you get first, if you start with a god trinket
But I’m not solid on this one
void vigil
This seems to just be bad RNG. Usually when I take a god keepsake, the run is full of their boons other than the initial one. But of course there’s going to be all sorts of runs.
ocean meteor
Relatable
broken pilot
what is the circular room bonus with a few colored dots?
alpine stratus
thats a "mystery room"- sisyphus, ||patroclus||, or a rest between biomes!
regal pagoda
I still think that the poor soul manifacturing all these cloaks is making a killing in the underworld.
radiant tangle
Used to be the symbol for Chaos's obscuring boon, many moons ago
regal pagoda
You know, I always felt kinda awkward about Aphrodites flirty attitude towards Zagreus, given how they are related
but then I remembered the story of how aphrodite came to exist and.......
....yeah, well, now I feel even more conflicted on the matter.
knotty talon
how can I send pictures in here?
but is Vengeful Mood: Your Revenge effects occur without taking damage sometimes
good?
Any boons you get have a minumum epic boon rarity : ZEUS + POSEIDON
thats insanneeeeeeee
regal pagoda
You need to upload it to Imgur for example and post the link.
Do gameplay discussion in #h1-builds-and-combat too, that's where most talk about that kind of topic is being dealt with.
knotty talon
thx love yo
wise dune
Is hades most likely gonna be on the switch?
raven nacelle
is there a roadmap somewhere?
radiant tangle
There should be a roadmap in the main menu of the game, but if you give me a minute I could post a screencap of it in here.
olive jungle
@wise dune during early access, hades is only available for windows computers via the epic store. any ports/alternative platforms will come after its actual release
wise dune
I already knew that answer, I was just asking for the likely hood of the other platforms for the switch
nocturne ginkgo
I really want to play hades but the death defiance screen gives me migraines I'm sad
jolly lodge
maybe supergiant can patch this up later?
nocturne ginkgo
I'm glad that its not just me at least but Its also rough that other people have the issue to lol
digital garnet
yeah its a bit rough on my eyes and I lose track of stuff super fast tbh
humble pulsar
Aphrodite is technically only distantly related to Zag. She's not a direct cousin or sister to any of the other Olympians, so they're only distantly related by grand-pappy Kronos.
So that would make her, what, an aunt?
Ok you're right that is a bit weird.
olive jungle
i mean
depends on if you consider "spawned from cut-off parts of another deity" to be a father-daughter relationship
humble pulsar
Ok not technically
There's not a real relationship there, but I mean I guess by lineage it's correct
olive jungle
it's less direct than most god relationships lol
same for meg and the other furies
humble pulsar
Olympians are weird anyways cause half of them are born fully aged anyways
olive jungle
artemis was born and then immediately midwifed for her own brother
humble pulsar
And the ones that aren't are like superhero babies
ok yeah case and point artemis
I was going to use Hermes but I suppose that example works too
olive jungle
dio and athena both grew their way out of various parts of zeus' body so that's always fun
i think ares was born normally gkdfjgfd
nobody talks about ares
if you're going by the theogony, pretty much all of nyx's kids are fatherless, and the fates are than's sisters
humble pulsar
Ares was the only child between Hera and Zeus and at most times he's depicted as a crazy warmonger barbarian. The interpretation of him as a professional and statesman-esque general is a much more Roman tradition (tbf I prefer it in Hades)
noble whale
Sorry if this is a noob question, but can anyone point me in the direction of the development roadmap? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
humble pulsar
Click on the "days until next update" button
olive jungle
there's a button in the bottom right on the main menu screen that has a date countdown on it
noble whale
Oh okay, was looking online. Thanks!
olive jungle
np!
humble pulsar
But yeah technically I'd say every child Zeus had with not his wife (and also technically his sister, yay Greek mythology) is psychologically more sound.
sour shuttle
Greek lore is truly an adventure with just how weird conception is
regal pagoda
Okay, so here is something weird to consider
If we look at Aphrodites......story of coming to existance (Google it for I am sure there is no good way to go into detail of explaining what happened in here)
Wouldn't she basically be Zeus' Grandparent?
regal pagoda
Aphrodite is basically a body part of Zeus' Grandfather
So, yeah.......
Hard to put a family label on that.
foggy flame
Since we consider Athena as a daughter of Zeus
I think it makes sense to consider Aphrodite an Aunt of Zeus
sharp maple
anyone knows how to reload the gun with controller? it says "R3", but no such button on my controller
or the only way to reload is to spending all bullets?
coarse patrol
isn't r3 clicking in the right analogue stick?
sullen holly
Is this server specially for Hades?
sharp maple
oh 😄 didn't know that, thank you @coarse patrol
sullen holly
In Hades is there any graphic options other than resolution?
sharp maple
there are also fullscreen and borderless options, though I guess you wanted some more detalied options
sullen holly
Yeah like anti analising and stuff
sharp maple
I doubt they'll include such stuff cause I don't remember them having such options in their other games
sullen holly
ok
sharp maple
but game is still in-dev, so we'll see
sullen holly
I havn't been able to play hades on a good setting because I have been using a GPU from like 2014 like a 710
nvidia
I just upgraded
so i can play the games on a distent graphic setting
I was just playing Hades and I got to my hird dungeon and my sword dissapeared
void vigil
Please report such bugs with F10 in-game when they happen, @sullen holly!
sullen nebula
I would rather be concerned with CPU not GPU
winged relic
GG to SuperGiant. It took me 4 tries to actually beat ||hades ||himself
Quite a difficult boss at first
brisk trail
I notice that there tends to be a quite vehement reaction to anything in #hades-feedback which suggests making the game harder hehe
lapis parrot
The final area is in the game now right?
brisk trail
Yes
Shield of Chaos: basic attack knocks foes away again (we and many of you liked it better this way)
Rejoice
halcyon heron
Still waiting for the patch: "Bug fixes. Removed all shield enemies from Elysium"
brisk trail
Shield of Chaos: basic attack knocks foes away again
And there was much rejoicing!
halcyon heron
So Theseus does say "Bull Horn" when he attacks. I always thought was "Blowhard!" (braggart/windbag)
brisk trail
+ Fixed an issue where menu highlights sometimes vanished when closing and opening a menu
This happened to me today and it frustrated me
+ Fixed an issue in 'Trial of the Gods' where foes blessed by Athena could damage you after being slain
This scared me from ever spurning Athena lol
tulip locust
Now that the final boss has been reduced in difficulty, I can feel proud that I killed it before the patch.
To be fair, I feel like the final boss should be a significant challenge.
But you can go too far with that.
The final boss of Dead Cells is a prime example of going way too far with that.
Way, way, way too far.
Although I heard that they nerfed it. Eventually.
stray jay
welp the last boss is funn
but i tried killing it whit sword
and saw him do 144 dmg xD
tulip locust
I think I've fought it four times.
Only beat it once.
That'll probably go up since the patch.
stray jay
and yeah i understand the dmg u die anyways no other area after that boss 😄
humble pulsar
Depends on which "final boss" of Dead Cells you mean
(cause there could technically be 3 interpretations of that)
gilded rampart
Has anyone else had this bug: The heart-seeking bow does 50 base damage (60 for powershot) normally but 30/40 on a dash attack (tested vs. skelly w various keepsakes and during runs). I reported it a few days ago so I was surprised it didn't get addressed in the patch, am I missing something? I wanna beat the game without the extra 20 base damage so I've been putting it off until this gets fixed
tulip locust
@humble pulsar That's a little off topic (I brought it up, but then went back to talking about Hades), but at least when I last played there was only the one final boss. I mean there were harder unlockable difficulties, but I don't see how that would count.
river hinge
Guys, a quick question, can you modify any graphic settings besides resolution ?
humble pulsar
Ah okay, you haven't played since after Rise of the Giant. You're right this is off topic tho
Atm no @river hinge but I'd assume this is simply due to early access
river hinge
Thought so, but figure might as well ask. Thanks !
amber garden
Oh thank God the shield does knockback again XD
magic comet
@gilded rampart They buffed the bow's attack dmg but not the dash attack dmg. It's intended that way.
brisk trail
As for the change to the final boss: "They had us in the first half, not gonna lie."
untold cave
🍔
sterile peak
my run got wiped after a crash
rip, I had two duos
red coral
That dang Hades 😔
lean cloud
The image of Cerberus and the toddlers in the patch notes is outrageously cute.
round merlin
just had a really fun bow run that got ended by a beefy boy; does any one know, however, how to trigger Artemis' dash boon with the bow? I could never actually get the dash attack bonus damage
sharp maple
any tips about how to survive styx?
red coral
So bow dash attack is a sped up powershot
To pair with Artemis, dash and load a power shot for max damage and buff
For Styx, a dio build or a strong cast build is good
Spear or shield special also super useful
sharp maple
I reached with railgun 😄
red coral
Good work! Regular or heavy slug or spread fire?
alpine stratus
i gotta say the athena boon that cuts trap damage really shows up useful in styx
red coral
VERY true
sharp maple
heavy slug I believe, one-shot powered by 2 different boons boosting my normal attack
sharp maple
I'm carrying a really cool sniper now 😄 but I don't think it'll be useful in small styx dungeons
oh we have gameplay as another channel? didn't see that
red coral
We do! This channel is mainly for speculation/spoiler free discussion
flat vapor
@round merlin dash attack is a faster charge (some people do attack -> dash, which is wrong lmao it's dash -> attack)
round merlin
ohhhh, thank you
bow is my least used weapon, and typically when I do run with it, I go for special builds or else take rapid shot
this was my first run choosing the "+100% damage on a charge shot" hammer upgrade; and Elysium even got me "+300% damage in an area, with a much slower charge" so I probably spent more time charging the bow in that run than every other bow run I'd done combined
paper walrus
So hows the speedruns looking for new hades
vast shell
first boon this run is blue divine strike, i got a good feeling
knocking enemies around with the patched shield feels great
ooh, and armor shredder just a couple rooms later... that 400%'ll help a lot with the hydra i bet
trail jasper
I'll be frank. I hate EGS with a passion. However, I'm fine with Supergiant Games putting Hades as early access exclusively there. Here's why:
- It's just early access, which means that it'll be available everywhere else in a completed state once it's complete. Considering that Supergiant goes so far as to support even itch.io, I have nothing to worry about as far as DRM-free distribution goes.
- The EGS exclusivity was announced as soon as the game was announced. It wasn't as if the game was promised and listed on other PC game stores and then opted for EGS exclusively, leaving the people who were expecting it on said stores out of luck. We knew the EGS exclusivity agreement as soon as we knew about the game, so the rug wasn't pulled out from us.
I would say Supergiant Games is a case study on how to do EGS Exclusivity right, whereas Metro Exodus and especially Shenmue III (and Outer Wilds) are how not to do it.
alpine stratus
sliding in before any discussion starts: this post is related to hades, but because egs is a hot topic, just a reminder that any discussion abt epic as a store should be in #off-topic-discussion !
trail jasper
Okay, I apologize!
alpine stratus
nah, youre good! was just a precaution in case things heated up
nocturne ginkgo
I read the latest patch notes, does this fix the death defiance being too flashy cause they said "other minor changes" and I'm just curious so I don't have to personally check
olive jungle
Not that I know of :/ Sorry.
nocturne ginkgo
No problem at all, I understand how hard it is to get things together while also trying to work on new content
I just figured I'd check
karmic goblet
Does anyone know when/if cloud saves will be included?
olive jungle
Epic is working on it; that's on their side
Some games have already implemented them I think
But I'm not too sure
fierce radish
How do I get permission to post in the feedback channel?
void vigil
please read the pinned messages in that channel!
fierce radish
thanks! (didn't even know pinned messages were a thing)
tight pawn
i had one of the most godly run
only for my game to crash during the hydra fight
even had thanatos trinket at 45 percent extra damage
tawny tundra
I wonder if Hades would be available in Steam ?
brisk trail
Possibly after release.
tawny tundra
if so then is it possible to transfer the game from Epic to Steam by then?
sullen nebula
they did confirm 'other platforms'
it's probably possible to transfer saves, since they are stored in an easily accessible folder
Also, my Pyre and Transistor saves from Steam are stored in the same folder as Hades. So possibly you won't even need to transfer saves
trail jasper
@tawny tundra If EGS works like GOG does, then your save files should be in the same directory and Steam would carry on where EGS left off.
The achievements, not so much
humble pulsar
They've confirmed "other platforms" but not which specific ones those will be
humble pulsar
Saves would likely be transferrable to a platform like steam because I would assume there wouldn't be any changes to how the game stores loads and reads its data
brisk trail
congrats
astral lagoon
am having display issues w hades T_T its probably my own problem but aaa
pine magnet
It could be a great thing to add some variations of the Boss Stages ; as the Furies Sisters for the first stage in tartarus ; there could be like Gegenees a six armed giant for keeping the idea of defeating a number of heads/arms within the Asphodel boss fight and the 3 judges in the Truth Fiels as a variation of the Heroes, keeping the idea of a figt versus 2, or 3 foes in one Boss fight ! Don't you think ?
zealous star
Has any one every relized how bad the spear is. i does 15 each strike but sword is i would say half the range but it hits mor of a aoe sweep instead of a streat line. also the sword does i would say 2 time more damage probably even more with the thrust of the sword never mind the fact that you ahve a dash attack that does 30. You could say that the daedalus hammer upgrades are are better than the spear upgrades. I just feel how it is very frusterating to see spear drop so far from what it use to be. with over 30 games compleat with spear and many other times with bow or sword, i just feel that spear is in a bad place right now.
bold dome
Hm, I think the spin has a higher range that Sword's special though.
brisk trail
It does.
bold dome
And that does some very nice damage.
brisk trail
Spin attack is the best way to go with the spear.
bold dome
Yeah, I though as much. XD Plus, you get to turn Zag into a Beyblade which has value of its own.
loud thunder
Very much agree with the spear being weak.
- Flurry attack and the long range upgrade are good, but require you to stand still to dish out damage.
- Spin attack build with both upgrades is decent
- the special upgrades don't synergize with each other at all
rigid grotto
Spin attack falls off hard with frenzy on
loud thunder
That too. For 2/3 builds you're expected to stand still to do damage
lusty wasp
the exploding spear is ok
rigid grotto
Vicious is good
remote lily
The special for spear should like > Spear Throw > Dash to Spear
lusty wasp
tho id still rather play that with the bow, slightly less mobile
rigid grotto
What do you mean ope?
remote lily
that the second part of special spear should not pull spear to us , but us to spear
loud thunder
That'll be cool
remote lily
that could increase a way we play , at least do a hammer for that
rigid grotto
If it’s over lava
remote lily
instead staying
rigid grotto
You just can’t get it back
loud thunder
like pressing attack after throwing spear can pull you to the spear, pressing special back can pull spear to you
rigid grotto
But then you can’t attack while it’s out
loud thunder
You already can't
remote lily
yeach XD\
loud thunder
That's why you can't do hybrid builds with spear.
lusty wasp
wanted to say the same but the other way around - special teleports, attack recalls
loud thunder
Either works, i guess
rigid grotto
Idk I just can’t really imagine a scenario where I would use that over just the normal dash
rigid grotto
What if it stunned them and pulled them to you
loud thunder
There'll be multiple units in the way though
remote lily
there is many posibilites with current game state
but i know one, the current special is weak
rigid grotto
It could pull all
loud thunder
Also, for the jumping to spear idea, You can throw spear, it lands behind enemy, jump to spear and attack with backstab
remote lily
only the 50% backstab make it somehow usable
rigid grotto
Or you could just pull it back for the backstab
loud thunder
but now you can attack from behind, with a lot more control over what you do
rigid grotto
I think spear needs a rework to its basic attacks first
loud thunder
I honestly wouldn't mind that. But spear is unique in that you try to line up enemies and try to hit multiple units
remote lily
for me if they would like to rework it , Click to attack , hold attack to throw/pull spear , special load to do what we do with loading attack atm
loud thunder
Multiple units in a line. everything else is spread
vicious skewer build with spear,
forces that playstyle
loud thunder
the damage is done in a single line
it isnt circular AOE like rail special or cone AOE like the sword or shield
rigid grotto
That’s why they have spin to win
loud thunder
but that's one skill though. There's basic attack builds and special builds
All i'm saying is, the spear has a unique playstyle
lusty wasp
yea to me thats using casts only ;D
i mean i just dont see the spear as the best at anything so id take another weapon to do whatever i wanted
loud thunder
I used to play battlerite with shifu as my main. Zag with spear reminds me of shifu. Now i'm a spear main
iron moat
broooo I swear they need to fix this
I cant choose anything
like it's stuck
all I can do is quit the run
rigid grotto
Ok then they will probably patch it soon
fallen venture
how you report bugs?
brisk trail
in-game.
fallen venture
ty
onyx sigil
Has anyone gotten a no-clip jade snake laser thing?
Like, it just flew straight out of level bounds into the background while still continuing to laser
brisk trail
Uh.
olive jungle
F10 in the room it happened pleeeaaase
if you can get it onscreen even better but at least knowing the room is a start
onyx sigil
Already did!
Was slightly obscured by the background textures but its healthbar was visible ahaha
median cedar
In my last playthrough (with Aegis) I took both Mirage Flight and Dread Flight as Daedalus hammer upgrades; having never taken either before said run (I rarely use Aegis) I wasn't sure how either worked but I'm fairly certain that combining the two is not meant to result in your shield ricocheting around the rooms at Mach 5, especially considering the slow-down from Mirage Flight
dry island
i just got this game today, been playing it for a few hours now and i like it a lot...one thing i always liked about Supergiant games was their great music instrument and VOCAL i go up to the singer Orpheus..he ask me which song he wants to sing...then say HE DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT O.O B*ch
[but mostly im kidding- but gawdam]
loud thunder
I think those are place holder dialogues till they record songs for Orpheus. All previous games has a song switching option. This game probably will too.
alpine stratus
Keep making friends with him, see what happens :>!
livid cargo
Q&A in a bit
uncut jacinth
Sorry if this question gets posted about 20x per day - have there been any announcements/hints as to release date for consoles? I assume not?
I need this game in my life y'all
vale drift
Hey @uncut jacinth all we've said is we expect Hades will come to other platforms once Early Access is complete sometime next year. We haven't decided on which ones just yet! Appreciate your interest.
uncut jacinth
Okay, appreciate the response.
I'll patiently wait in the dark, twiddling, until then.
stray jay
im waiting more updates happily
like i have played a lot of hades type games and this one caught my attention so hard
like dayn
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humble pulsar
I would echo what Kam said and continue buddying up to Orpheus and giving him gifts, you never know what might happen
tepid yacht
i will give him anything because i want to be his friend and i want him to be happy
humble pulsar
lol
me with everyone
maxed out literally every social link
when do i get my persona esque bonuses for becoming friends tho :kappa:
livid cargo
when the modding scene opens up eventually
humble pulsar
"welp we leveled up our friendship awesome, now I get double the xp"
dry island
I don't want any spoilers but How much story is in this game ?
I started today....and had like one story mode/type scene
olive jungle
Every character in the House has a good number of interactions with you, several have interactions with each other, and most have their own mini-plotlines
the actual end of the game isn't available right now, obviously, but you can go pretty much right up to the area before the ending
As for the cutscenes like I assume you're referring to though - flashback type things - there's only one of those currently
dry island
i mean the the scene after, you are final able to "rest" in your bed/i know thats vauge..but spoiler free\
olive jungle
yeah, only one of those
dry island
just one of those ?
olive jungle
yep
humble pulsar
most of the "core" story is going to be introduced in the game's release launch version (1.0)
for now, there's lots of independent character growth and "splash lore" which can definitely keep you entertained from a story perspective.
olive jungle
i don't know if "most" is necessarily the right word, but yeah they don't want to spoil the entire narrative for early access folks
dry island
its been out since Dec thought right ?
olive jungle
it has been, but they've been building a lot of things that aren't narrative
new gods, new boons, new art, new enemies, entire new biomes
they're focusing on the game's structure first
dry island
I guess everyone who is past middle school kida knows the lore of Greek mythology already, but i still like to see Supergiants vers.
humble pulsar
there are a lot of unique interactions that only trigger when you've given enough gifts to certain characters. For example, without being too spoilery, there is a back and forth between ||Achilles and Patroclus about their circumstance and current positions (and how they ended up where they are) which takes place as you encounter them over multiple runs||
dry island
did they give an approx date when they will release the story part ?
humble pulsar
they havent given an exact date for release, but it will be in 2020.
My guess would be quarter 1 or quarter 2 personally
(but that's a guess)
their goal is to have most of the game's permanent structure in by 2019, they'll develop the story throughout 2020 as well as giving out extra content (such as potentially additional Olympians)
dry island
they could do all the poor smuchs who were cursed by the gods lol
if they want to keep adding characters that is
olive jungle
they have a roadmap for how many characters they plan to add, unfortunately it's not possible to include literally every single tortured soul from greek myth
sisyphus is here!
dry island
I 😮 have no idea who that is