bow
#h1-discussion
fiery pebble
Shield, Bow and sometimes gun
Sword is alright but needs the right hammers to shine, and spear needs one specific hammer to be good tbh
waxen maple
can you reload the gun before it depletes the ammo ?
olive jungle
and is my preferred weapon if i wanna go fast
craggy quest
bow all day every day
fiery pebble
Its a special hotkey
craggy quest
otherwise gun
vapid drift
shield and bow are both really good
waxen maple
im playing with controller
vapid drift
shield because [BLOCKED] is a really satisfying thing to see
and bow because dashing is really good.
waxen maple
its just pressing in the right stick π
fiery pebble
On the DualShock 4 its the right thumbstick pressed down
waxen maple
yes
waxen maple
yeah its kinda weird
fiery pebble
It was swapped around when wraths were introduced
topaz lake
i prefer gun bow sword
in that order
also
how am i supposed to deal with the exalted shield guys with the gun
i actually couldn't hurt them
craggy quest
special behind em
topaz lake
ahhhhh
cloud jewel
you have to dash behind them or do aoe damage behind
olive jungle
the shield boys are the w o r s t
craggy quest
for real
cloud jewel
they areeeeee
craggy quest
i hate fighting them
cloud jewel
they have so many attacks
olive jungle
not only do they totally block from the front but they also have a massive aoe close range attack you can't block, plus a long-range wave attack
cloud jewel
and you can't Hit them half the time
fiery pebble
Special, dash through, wait for them to drop their blocking stance
topaz lake
i find it a bit difficult to dash into a group of 4 shield guys and 2 bowmen
fiery pebble
Multiple ways to deal with them
cloud jewel
i cannot see in all of the chaos to know when they drop shield
fiery pebble
Theyre probably the most challenging to figure out
topaz lake
i managed to kill them with special and ares
topaz lake
i had the best run then
i think i have a pic
of what i had
this isnt the complete thing
i had piercing shot and some other stuff
cloud jewel
nice
fiery pebble
Neat
waxen maple
so is there anything after asphodel?
craggy quest
yep
waxen maple
π thought so xD game seems huge! Its gonna be a blast when it reaches release date!
Every game ive played from this company was very good to be fair
fiery pebble
Yup, the most recent content update added a third biome
vapid drift
in trials of the gods, is either god 'more likely' to have rarer boons? ie, if you pick one will the other have more/less rare boons
(I assume not)
waxen maple
Next question π giving them nectar builds rep with them and sometimes they give you gifts if Im getting it right? π
olive jungle
Yes! First ambrosia gifted to characters gives you a keepsake; after that, additional gifts unlock story content and conversations
olive jungle
Yep
Some characters have fewer conversations written than others right now
Since it is early access
topaz lake
So thats why Achilles wasnt talking to me
vapid drift
if you can gift there's some form of reward.
olive jungle
But Achilles, Thanatos, Meg...
topaz lake
I thought he was mad at me
vapid drift
first time is usually a keepsake.
olive jungle
Sisyphus has some later ambrosia convos too, I believe
topaz lake
Oh ill do that then
olive jungle
and the fallen warrior definitely does
topaz lake
Whos that
olive jungle
he's in elysium
topaz lake
Oh its the dude that was sitting
olive jungle
yeah
topaz lake
That gave hydralite gold
olive jungle
mmhm
topaz lake
Oh alright
craggy quest
OOF, the chaos gate damage up is rough
olive jungle
it really is
tulip lava
how much up 
tulip lava
like.....in elysium?
tulip lava
or from the start
olive jungle
from the start
tulip lava
chaos please
olive jungle
chaos this is not going to encourage your innumerable progeny to want to visit more often
tulip lava
please help zag budget his health he is dying
tulip lava
imagine if you could equip another keepsake every time you enter a new zone
craggy quest
impossible
olive jungle
could be worth it in asphodel to buff a build
craggy quest
I grabbed shield since it was the thirst weapon this time
Not sure what I'll take going into Asphodel
topaz kayak
yeah, I almost always run the thirst weapon, even though I don't need more darkness
wide tartan
Hold on, I was looking in #hades-feedback and I saw something about indistinct muttering -- are you saying that muttering is actual dialogue and it was just subbed as indistinct muttering?
hexed smelt
yup!
olive jungle
Yes.
hexed smelt
it is. all heartbreaking
wide tartan
I'm deaf and I missed this completely
olive jungle
i transcribed all of it in #h1-story-discussion
hexed smelt
glares at ven
wide tartan
that is very aggravating
craggy quest
I could use the darkness, I uncapped mirror in the pact again so I'm gonna go for broke
wide tartan
thanks, I'll look for that muttering transcript
olive jungle
oh let me link you
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/521035166471159828/578211756799819777
spoilers spoilers spoilers
wide tartan
thank you!
olive jungle
np!
wide tartan
I was familiar with their myth and wanted more info so missing all this dialogue was like π± π± π± hopefully they look into that asap
craggy quest
I offer:
olive jungle
hold on
craggy quest
olive jungle
i know what i'm doing with the rest of my morning
limpid wasp
Hades is my first & favorite Early Access & my favorite roguelike so far, and I usually have issues progressing in roguelikes
||And I know it can be chalked up to "git gud" for me but I generally don't like the idea of having to start over from the beginning each time I die, ||
radiant tangle
That is, unfortunately, the nature of roguelikes
alpine stratus
yeah i hear you! hades is my first real rougelike as well but having so much story to do in the house cuts the frustation nicely imo
wide tartan
You eventually wade through levels like a hot knife through butter through upgrades.
and then you can make it harder again through the punishment pact.
So no big.
limpid wasp
Oh, cool! I just kinda wish there were checkpoints to each major area & I could pick back up from each one. But getting stronger to the point I breeze through is good enough!
vital belfry
The mirror is an awesome way to turn investment in the game into core progression. It balances out nicely with personal skill, where players pick up more game knowledge and mechanic skill as they progress.
craggy quest
lov losing like 100 health to a single shield exalted
oak pecan
Do the locked hearts on characters mean that I can't give them anymore gifts beyond that point?
flat vapor
yes, presumably theyβll get unlocked in future updates
oak pecan
Damn ok
I got that one dialogue pop up where Zag asks Hypnos to unlock the doors over by Achilles and he said no, so I thought if I kept dumping gifts on him he'd eventually do it.
flat vapor
maybe, when sgg gets there! im assuming theyβre still locked because sgg hasnβt actually done those story beats yet
flat vapor
just wanna date achilles cmon sgg
oak pecan
Almost beat Theseus and the Minotaur like 4 times
Finally figured I'd start focusing one at a time, brought the Mino down that way by just blocking and shield charging him to death.
Now it's gotten to the point where they're facing me individually... guess that's the game's way of telling me I suck lol.
craggy quest
Nah, it's a HARD FIGHT
olive jungle
it's super hard
craggy quest
I've beaten it maaaaybe 5 times in total
olive jungle
i kind of hate it gkjdfgfd
craggy quest
And those were with fantastic builds
olive jungle
i beat it once on each weapon and peaced out and stopped trying
now the only reason i go to elysium is for my Boy
and also asterius' solo fight
craggy quest
I really think the design is frustrating like
Hydra is hard and you might take some hits, but it's certainly doable every time if you're careful
But it's always a tossup for Theseus and asterius
And if you didn't end up with like
A cohesive solid build, you're going into it on skill alone, and it's the most technically difficult fight by far
Constantly juggling at least 2 enemies with radically different attack patterns and ranges
granite pecan
wait....is it possible for the final elysium fight to have just one boss? i thought they were always a package deal
prisma wind
It's not, as far as I know
olive jungle
you can whittle asterius down in the mid-boss fight, but not knock him out
granite pecan
wait arenβt their names technically spoilers
granite pecan
oh okay
olive jungle
i think we've been trying to keep deets about the fallen warrior to spoilers
and generally this isn't the channel to be having in-depth discussions about the final boss fight
but
kinda hard to say that something on the splash screen is a spoiler gkjfdg
granite pecan
lol fair
velvet ivy
hi guys
wanted to offer some feedback but the thread is blocked for me to write
i bought the game though, how can i get access??
olive jungle
Check the pinned post in #hades-feedback for instructions on how to get posting permission!
velvet ivy
thanks mate
guyw hat do you think about the bow
i tried to use it continuously but is seems to be
am i missing something??
*it seems to be really much worse then other weapons
wraith schooner
I think it's just harder, not really worse as you can't really spam sΓ³ much
velvet ivy
yeah but base dmg for power shot which you have to charge
flint gust
It deals insane damage if you daedalus it properly and go for a damage boosting rather than status inflicting attack boon
velvet ivy
is comperable to sword swing
which you don't have to charge
damage oif each special arrow cannot even kill a skull
with sword special you kill all skulls in 1 sec
flint gust
Yeah, and you dont have to sit in front of the skull to hit it
wraith schooner
Yeah I built Crit on X and it was one shorting most normals
flint gust
Or just get a good athena on special and consider the run won
Especially if you get hammers for special
flint gust
Try it
velvet ivy
yeah it sounds interesting actually
flint gust
Try it in asphodel bullet hell
Let me know if you can do that with spear or gun or even shield (sword special is strong too)
velvet ivy
gun special is great as well
shield/spear meh
but yeah ill try actually this makes sense
frigid lagoon
I find the gun boring, I hate the fact that it limits movement
gleaming grail
Today on "Things i didn't think through": Poseidon keep away build using the sword
Ya know, as if this game doesn't have ranged weapons or something
fiery pebble
Actually, bows powershot is 40 damage, and swords swings are 10-20-30
So youd need 3 swings of swords to outpace bow
And well, bow also synergizes great with artemis's dash
Its easily one of the more busted weapons
velvet ivy
Sword swings are 20-25-30, and they're much faster
So disagree on that
However I'll try more bow, for sure I just didnt put it to good use yuet
fiery pebble
Wait was sword buffed without me noticing?
hexed smelt
sword's been 20-25-30 for a WHILE, my guy
fiery pebble
For real?
I couldve sworn it was 10-20-30 when the beefy update came out
Still, Bows dash charge shots are really fast
And with the additional synergies it outclasses sword quite quickly
hexed smelt
first and second hits got buffed in MDK
strong granite
Have just made a whole run with the shield
44m
And I can say that the hydra is much more extreme than the rest of the bosses)
as well as third phase enemies are much more easier to deal with than the bombers and witches in the second phase.
patent umbra
Sword also dash attacks for 30
dusty mica
Did you ever notice how each God had a different way to call Zagreus that is each time perfectly logical? If I remember them correctly:
Zeus -> Little Hades (feels like Zeus is too much of a busy overpowered God to remember your name properly, you're just your mini-father)
Poseidon -> Nephew (because Poseidon can't miss an opportunity to remind you he's your COOLEST UNKLE)
Athena -> Cousin (the most formal, as Athena is)
Ares -> My kin (because, well, you're blood-related, seems totally in-character for Ares)
Artemis -> Zagreus (the most normal)
Aphrodite -> Little godling (the most condescending because haha such a cute little thing you are)
Chaos -> Son of Hades (you are defined by your bloodline, but it's as formal as Athena's greeting)
Dyonisus -> Zag (DIONYSUS IS SO CHILLED)
Who, and what denomination, do you think we could have as our next God? IMO I feel like Apollo or Hera are some of the safest bets (Hera maybe to have fifity-fifty on the ratio god/goddess of Olympus?), but how could they call you?
vale kite
"hey dummy, i got boons for ya"
olive jungle
Wasn't Poseidon "little hades" and "nephew"?
i dont actually remember what zeus calls zag
alpine stratus
yeah pos is for sure little hades, he says it so cutely
ares is my kin because of the volfred connection obviously hjfhjfhj (kidding)
vale kite
no.
alpine stratus
its all cyrus
vale kite
i want a god that talks like the tf2 scout
radiant tangle
Hermes
vale kite
skelly boons........
radiant tangle
Clearly this means Skelly is Hermes
fiery pebble
Honestly, I doubt we will get Hera
Most likely bet for the next god is probably Hermes
hexed smelt
my money's still on apollo
gleaming grail
Hermes would be dope
fiery pebble
Apollo is also reasonable
gleaming grail
apollo would be more fitting tho
fiery pebble
My main issue with Apollo is that I cant really think of any thematic thing he could do
covert glen
id love for hestia
hexed smelt
that's true
fiery pebble
Hes the god of many things, few of which translate well
Fire maybe? But thats just a DoT, and we already have one
covert glen
we have plenty
hexed smelt
apollo fits better in the sense that there'd be interesting interactions between him and artemis and also achilles; hermes would probably translate better mechanically-speaking
gleaming grail
I just want the wrath to be the sun chariot tbh
fiery pebble
Right
Though I do think Hermes has potential for interactions as well
With Charon for example
hexed smelt
oh, of course
hermes is the messenger of the gods, god of boundaries and travelers and whatnot - there's some interesting meat to dig into there
apollo and artemis bickering in duo boon dialogue, though,
gleaming grail
that would be lovely
hexed smelt
yeah
fiery pebble
He also was partially responsible for getting souls to the underworld
hexed smelt
there's a lot to support either one and i'll be excited whichever one gets in
gleaming grail
lol maybe hermes could give you an additional dash as a boon
covert glen
i'd love hestia to be a kill:heal boon
or hades to have a host of undead fighters with you
gleaming grail
lmao squad up and outta Hades
fiery pebble
Hell, Hermes could be the solution to the ||Achilles and Patroclus|| subplot
gleaming grail
HEART SQUEEZE
covert glen
we dont know
we can only speculate
i just hope we get the possibility to stack effects like in binding of isaac
covert glen
i dont think there's a roadmap
tardy flume
o
covert glen
what would be cool is that when you open up your boons menu
you have the different stats showing up
tardy flume
weapon?
covert glen
kratos' blades bro
covert glen
sacrifice boons for a massive boost in power, but gain the gods' hatred
gleaming grail
suddenly i never see Dionysus
covert glen
good he should get off his drunk ass and start taking responsabilities as heir to olympus
tardy flume
ass
gleaming grail
damn you right
covert glen
I HATE WAVEMAKERS SO MUCH
hexed smelt
there is a roadmap, actually, if you click on the "days to next major update"
tardy flume
o
hexed smelt
We're already planning the game's next biome, to be released sometime later this year. Coming sooner than that will be the next Olympian to join the fray.
lapis parrot
If I install the game on another computer the save doesn't come with it right?
wispy zealot
I would like a cool new biome.
lapis parrot
No cloud saves yet?
wispy zealot
uh don't think so, I believe there's a file you can copy tho
Like, the client isn't a hater abt that
hexed smelt
yeah, if you look in Documents/Saved Games/Hades you'll find your profiles in there and you can just copy the folder across
ornate spoke
Epic is planning to implement Cloud Saves. Their Trello still shows it as something they are targeting for this month, so even if it isn't this month it should hopefully be fairly soon.
kindred flare
give it a multiplayer?
vast junco
no
lapis parrot
Can u give ambrosia to Alecto-chan?
vast junco
nope, same goes for tisiphone
lapis parrot
Can u give ambrosia to Thanatos-chan?
craggy quest
ye
raw lynx
So I just crit hit by a blood gate, in the first room of starting a new run, has anyone tried that before?
astral lagoon
'thanatos-chan' i love that
lapis parrot
Ok I just met him for the first time and there is no prompt. I guess it will be possible the next time
craggy quest
yeah ive gotten blood gates room one
i really think the boon needs buffed tho because you take a HUGE hit to health now
raw lynx
If a blood gate crits you, it should be a 100% chance to have at least one legendary boom
craggy quest
also i didn't think the blood gate could like... crit... is that a thing??
raw lynx
I bug reported via the ingame thing, I havn't been able to find any information about it being able too
I didn't think anything could crit hit you, except for double boon with Artemis, and not choosing Artemis
Sorry I got it wrong, I mean chaos gates
alpine stratus
got killed in elysium without seeing ||pat|| π π π π π π π π
honestly if u dont see him whats the point....
craggy quest
tru
timber topaz
Hey, @raw lynx I think that might just be because Chaos gates deal like, way more damage since the last patch. Like, 20 is standard for the first room.
craggy quest
yeah
like its gotten to the point where i dont feel comfortable taking them most times
solid canopy
time for Egg
sterile peak
gates should be maybe 16 baseline
that way, if you max cthonic vitality, it's only a net 10 damage, which is about one hit from a witch
it doesn't cripple entire runs but it's still a price
alpine stratus
yeah...
brisk trail
is there an actual end?
hasty wraith
hi, jsut got the game an loving it. one issue though, when usin an xbox controller i get serious stuttering in game
its doing it with mouse and keyboard to
the cpu usage goes from 15 to 2% then back up
any ideas
vast shell
I wonder who the next (last?) Olympian will be
@brisk trail not yet, they're not adding that until the full release
lapis parrot
Did Epic stop giving the additional $10 off? Glad I grabbed the game before it ended
I'm browsing the store and it seems they don't do that anymore
vast shell
I got an email about a partial refund
Probably because I got it in the brief period where it was $14.99 lol
lapis parrot
Or maybe it's a bug, the page still says they should give $10 off but it's not reflected in the prices
Ok it's not shown in the list of games but appears when you click through. Strange.
Sorry this isn't really related to Hades, carry on everyone
I almost beat Minotaur and the other guy
brisk trail
@vast shell is it possible to atleast get out of hell?
granite pecan
nope
lapis parrot
Nope, they haven't added the ending yet
astral lagoon
#h1-story-discussion for final bosses 
signal spoke
Try not to dodge the profanity filter please 
heady lynx
sorry again
signal spoke
no problem!
lapis parrot
If there's a lock on the heart track for a character does that mean that level doesn't exist yet?
Or can I unlock it somehow at this point?
hexed smelt
first one
lapis parrot
I wonder what sort of rewards they will add
astral lagoon
[quiet chanting] romance romance romance
heady lynx
Meg + Zag ship
lapis parrot
Aren't Meg and Zag cousins or something
vast shell
oops sorry you can delete that
hexed smelt
No NSFW content on the server, please.
brisk trail
Lol
topaz lake
i beat tisiphone with 10 heat but the heat of asphodel was too much for me
heady lynx
@lapis parrot Megs Nyx's daughter I think but I cant remember if Nyx and hades were a thing? So half related possibly ;^)
heady lynx
@lapis parrot I was gonna say
tulip lava
oops
misty yacht
can i do spoilers here
hexed smelt
no
misty yacht
ok
hexed smelt
#h1-story-discussion is directly below this channel
misty yacht
almost spoiled something without thinking
lapis parrot
Man I'm not really having good results with any other weapon than the spear
hexed smelt
why would you forsake our lord and saviour, the bow,
misty yacht
@lapis parrot I dont like the bow and sometimes the gun . Everyone has That weapon that they dont like i think.
hexed smelt
for me it's shield - everyone else seems to swear by it but i just Do Not Understand how to use that thing right
livid cargo
You put on heavy metal music
craggy quest
bow life
livid cargo
And then headbang as you do attacks
misty yacht
I dont like the special of the shield but the protect of the bull rush is cool
craggy quest
and yeah im utterly incompetent with spear
livid cargo
I use shield bc dashing wallop is the best thing on the planet
solid canopy
syd im never sleepin on thanatos
solid canopy
UNLOCK HIS HEARTS YOU COWARDS!!!!!!!!!
misty yacht
I did a 3 cast multishot and dislodge dmg run and i won with 1hp thanks to the shield protection.
livid cargo
I hope casts end up getting more interesting eventually
craggy quest
than <3
hexed smelt
conveniently enough i would die for thanatos, which is probably exactly what he wants
misty yacht
just waiting 10 secs for 300 dmg to dislodge in a wallwhile invincible.
tulip lava
you're just creating more work for him! he doesn't want you to die
hexed smelt
truly inspirational
π€ i should make :shaderage: at some point
i already have 
which is just an eternal undying mood
tulip lava
shadepensive
solid canopy
please!!
hexed smelt
eh, i tried pensive once and it didn't really work at that scale
solid canopy
shadehearts is me every time i see than
hexed smelt
oh mood
astral lagoon
same
tulip lava
hexed smelt
here, lemme dump the full sizes of my custom shade emotes in fanworks
hexed smelt
solid canopy
same!!!!!
misty yacht
I just love Tisiphone
solid canopy
tisiphone is lovely
solid canopy
artemis is like, the only other emo cousin at the family reunion and you just hang out and throw shade at the rest of your family
misty yacht
ya
the cool kids
I feel like the unpopular ugly friend that gets to be with the cool girl friend.Like Max and Chloe from Life is Strange.
solid canopy
what do you mean?
misty yacht
I feel like Max and Artemis is Chloe.
solid canopy
max isn't ugly ): and neither is zag!!
misty yacht
Yeah i know.
craggy quest
artemis is such a friend
livid cargo
One of these days those will end up in the game
solid canopy
sgg, u know what to do
pastel fox
Hi guys, dont you think the third boss is excessively hard? I have tried it 3 or 4 times and i think im far from beating it
livid cargo
I'd say its much more of a gatekeeper than the other two bosses
I think you can get through both the furies and the hydra based off of knowing patterns alone even if your damage isn't great
topaz lake
try focusing the bull first
he's easier to kill and he doesn't hagve a stage 2 like the other dude
waxen maple
So I was wondering! Im so close on finishing asphodel, is there more at the moment after it?
topaz lake
yeah there's a third zone
waxen maple
aah nice π
I still havent managed to unlcok the last weapon
what is it? π
spoil me
hahaha
hexed smelt
π«
minor pecan
π«
olive jungle
π«
waxen maple
hmm theres a pistol already! IOr is that considered canon? π
olive jungle
oh, if you mean the 6th weapon, it hasn't actually been developed yet
prisma wind
I appreciate your pun Honorfist
waxen maple
Hahaha why? xD
tulip lava
cannon
waxen maple
yeaps it looks like it! Or maybe a mortar cause of that nice lob shot
π
grenade gun maybe xD
so after elysium game ends or still developing more? I guess that wont be answered. Excuse my excitement xD
olive jungle
There is one more biome roadmapped for after Elysium
waxen maple
Nice!
topaz lake
Oh so then do we finally get to Persephone
iron solstice
hello all i have a question
how does one clearly tell when theseus is not blocking?
olive jungle
Whenever he doesn't have his shield in front of him, I believe
You can always hit him from the back
iron solstice
okay thx still having trouble with act 3 dynamic duo thus far
oak pecan
The moment he throws his spear he's vulnerable for a short moment
olive jungle
this is more of a discussion for #h1-builds-and-combat though probably
iron solstice
understood
olive jungle
π you can get plenty of tips there!
oak pecan
I'm always able to take out Asterius and get Theseus to half health but I haven't been able to get much further than that
I went into that fight with four revives. Four.
And almost full health lol
oak pecan
Theseus took all my revives lol
pastel fox
same on me
iron solstice
i am least familiar with fight mechanics/move rotations
im also using bow no idea if that matters much
oak pecan
What I do is I just bull rush Asterius to death
Keeps my health mostly intact until I need to start focusing Theseus after the bull is dead
buoyant frigate
someone know how i can get last trinket ?
olive jungle
Depends which one it is...do you have the pinned butterfly?
oh i see you do
i assume the one you're looking for is from an npc in elysium
buoyant frigate
the third boss yes
hexed smelt
not in this channel you're not ;P
olive jungle
yeah haha #h1-story-discussion
buoyant frigate
well
i dont know who is him xD
but sry ^^
what's the point to take pierced butterfly if u loose advantage when u changes ?
olive jungle
The idea presumably is that you just hold onto it to keep the benefit
you don't get to keep any other keepsake benefits after you take them off
flat vapor
it's a slow burn kinda thing
olive jungle
if you're good at avoiding getting hit, you can buff 50%+ damage
buoyant frigate
most of it, yes
olive jungle
as an all-around benefit that's really good
buoyant frigate
like if u wanna get god buff
after one world is good
and take one trinket for a run is ....
frustrating ?
olive jungle
if it's not your thing you don't have to use it
there are tons of trinkets i never run
buoyant frigate
yes i understand
i mean a lot of my run begin with zeus trinket xD
but trinket like butterfly is pretty useless in 3rd world
u know if a hard mode is incoming ?
prisma wind
Hard mode already exists with the Pact of Punishment
buoyant frigate
it could be great to unlock "exclusive" things in hard mode
brisk trail
You get the Skelly statues
prisma wind
And you get the Erebus challenge rooms
brisk trail
Bought the game today, took about 3 hours to beat the first boss
My brother tried it out and said he got to the second biome boss in 3 runs??? that's definitely not normal right?
prisma wind
I would say that's not the norm, yes
brisk trail
what a madlad
vapid drift
maybe 10 runs - I think that's about how many it took for me?
but I'm not sure if I'm avg or not without stats.
grave tapir
I remember getting wrecked pretty badly my first dozen or so runs lol, especially in the second one
olive jungle
it really depends on how much experience you have with similar games i feel
livid cargo
It's theoretically possible to get to the end of the current amount of content on your first run
brisk trail
I was only able to make it to the first chamber of Elysium on a new game run so far, but I made a lot mistakes.
Without the hammers, keepsakes, and extra dash .. Idk if I'd ever get good enough to beat Theseus
olive jungle
it would be so sloooow
brisk trail
I did manage to acquire a Premium Vintage on that run, which gave me an Ambrosia bottle before I think we're supposed to have any, so I got one god keepsake by the time I got into Elysium
livid cargo
I dunno, ven, bc low darkness runs are basically that already
olive jungle
that's fair π€ but on low darkness runs you have access to all keepsakes which lets you tweak rng
livid cargo
Actually id say you could definitely pull it off now with the new dash
granite pecan
yeah. the original dash was very hindering with just one of them
steep anvil
Does anyone else think the enemies in Elysium are poorly designed?
olive jungle
I think the shield boys are definitely unfair
the others are pretty manageable though
craggy quest
i dont mind like, any one exalted
but as soon as you get a group of multiple types its just miserable
can't slow down for half a second to see where youre being attacked from because an archer will get you
can't rush the archer because the sword/spear will get you\
vapid drift
who needs to see when you're throwing hunting blades at things?
steep anvil
nah, the art is superb as always, just talking gameplay design
olive jungle
spear boys are my second least favorite
craggy quest
same
vapid drift
tbh I don't think the elysium enemies are bad besides chariots
craggy quest
i really REALLY dislike enemies with leaping attacks, and 90% of the time im hit by them leaping from off screen
dry rover
yo hades bros
vapid drift
archers are barely even a concern since they have an indicator for when you should dodge
olive jungle
π
dry rover
mind telling me if i use pierced butterfly item in first tartaros game chamber then switch it to something else is my bonus dmg comes with me?
livid cargo
I never have issues with chariots
dry rover
so if go carry on with it it will still go up?
olive jungle
yep
dry rover
woop thanx bud
olive jungle
np np
dry rover
give u like
ah yeah 1 more question
there is spear upgrade which let u atach further for 33 or 30 % im not sure
if i use distand memory item will it effect at this bonus range?
olive jungle
I...don't know actually
livid cargo
I think it should
olive jungle
Worth a shot
dry rover
ah yeah also http://puu.sh/DuFtl/bec7eff615.jpg
there is one item i still not unlock
what it is
prisma wind
As far as I know enemy range is calculated from Zagreus' position and not the range of the weapon that he's using
livid cargo
Its dio keepsake
dry rover
ah nevermind his baboons sux
livid cargo
Also ven your nickname is really firing on all cylinders, well done
dry rover
ty btw
tulip lava
dio boonies are gud
dry rover
what is the cap of this last one upgrade at the mirror?
dry rover
my gosh
tulip lava
eh it's just a darkness sink
prisma wind
It's meant to be a Darkness sink
tulip lava
it's not necessary for a good time
prisma wind
It's quite easy to get up to 6 or 7, but starts to really drag after that
tulip lava
it's useful if you like to target specific boon builds i guess
or you could just roll with what luck gives ya
prisma wind
Speedrunners like it, too
livid cargo
Speedrunners HATE This One Simple Trick
dry rover
what time is it right now? in speed running this game i mean
prisma wind
dry rover
n is it from the beginning or just best possible time?
prisma wind
It's measured in both real time and in-game time
tulip lava
You won't BELIEVE what was in this mirror
dry rover
ah i see its just best possible time, i through its gonna be from the new save
tulip lava
instant nova your way out of hell with this one weird upgrade
wide tartan
Athena.
dry rover
gotcha
livid cargo
Yes hello
tulip lava
oh i see he picks chaos gates to skip a room
wide tartan
that'll teach you to not trust me
radiant tangle
Yes
iron solstice
do you think our unlock/progress will wipe for final build release?
dry rover
btw what is this skull chambers for which cost you like 10+ skulls who in their mind will spend skulls this way
livid cargo
They will let us know if it will, anon
vapid drift
unlikely imo
livid cargo
@dry rover you dont spend skulls you just need to have them on
dry rover
what?
iron solstice
i wonder if they will try to have every god pairing have a duo at some point...
dry rover
u mean if i have needed amount of skulls i can enter the chamber for free?
livid cargo
Yes
livid cargo
That is to say you need to be using that amount of skulls in the Pact of Punishment
marsh jackal
what's the max upgrade for fated authority? like how many rerolls?
iron solstice
also last question: how to those fire-pits (erebus gates?) work?
is it a specific challenge encounter for a run-only boon?
radiant tangle
1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 10000, 20000, 30000, 40000, 50000. Total 165000
livid cargo
Do you have the Pact of Punishment unlocked yet, anon?
iron solstice
kinda like chaos, but battle-based and requiring heat/'skulls' to enter
radiant tangle
Total of 10 rerolls
iron solstice
yes i do but waiting to unlock everything else key-wise before i start tinkering with hard-er mode.
livid cargo
I think its just another option for a reward
dry rover
also is there somekind hidden speech chamber once i clear this 1 thousand talks to him?
tulip lava
hades is just mocking you with the 1000 talks
dry rover
what will happen then?
tulip lava
pact of punishment: talk to your dad
nothing, if you want to see the full codex entry it's on the wiki
dry rover
tnx
it sux btw
also
if there is this skull thing which idicates that next chamber with the shield enemies
do it also affect boon rareness?
prisma wind
It does give a better chance or higher rarity boons, yes
dry rover
ty buds you gotcha alot of knoledge to this game
prisma wind
We've played many runs
olive jungle
triple shot
void vigil
Triple shot for sure
dry rover
can it be stacked with no charge upgrade later in the game?
the one which simply let u spam atack
olive jungle
it takes some time to get used to the rhythm for sure; if it's not the weapon for you, all the others are viable too
dry rover
nah im farming darkness so i regularly pick it once there is 10%
also i realise that poseidon never ever give you this boon which let you have more darkness in the tartaros chamber
is it coded this way?
prisma wind
That's just RNG, you can get Ocean's Bounty in Tartarus
dry rover
i get it b4 last update but not even once after in tartarus
tulip lava
this is the anti power shot gang
prisma wind
You're less likely to get Ocean's Bounty if you haven't filled out your primary boon slots, though
prisma wind
Autoaim works much better on controller than mouse
dry rover
im not sure if that allowed here so stop me if its not
but can u guys give advice me in other rogue like games like this one?
prisma wind
As far as roguelikes go, I think Hades is a bit unique when taken as a whole. However, I've heard a number of people compare the way the runs play out to Dead Cells
tulip lava
probably in #off-topic-discussion
humble pulsar
im intrigued to hear it compared to Dead Cells
maybe due to the sheer weapon variety
but imo Hades plays nothing like Dead Cells
even though both are fantastic games
chilly flare
Is there any way to change menu keybindings? Having "select" and "cancel" swapped on my Switch Pro Controller (typically A and B respectively on Switch games but flipped here) is throwing me off a bit, though I understand if it's not in the cards right now
prisma wind
You should be able to change it in the Controls menu
Though I've never tested with a Switch controller, so Β―_(γ)_/Β―
chilly flare
Looked to me like it's all in-game stuff; I don't see options for menu inputs. I was just curious if there was an .ini I could edit or whatever, but I'll poke around a bit more later
coarse dawn
Hi everyone. Does Hades have a Mac version or developers have plan to make one? π
prisma wind
During Early Access it's only on Windows
But it should come to other platforms after full release. I don't know if there are plans for Mac or not
coarse dawn
Thanks! Really hope they can bring it on more platforms
wind ledge
placid basalt
what is your guys highest winstreak ... and i mean a winstreak with stage 3?
long saffron
1
prisma wind
3 maybe? I haven't played much past the first few days after the update
olive jungle
i think i got up to 2 or 3 but usually i abandon runs before i finish them bc i don't want to go through that fight for no reason gfkjgfd
prisma wind
After getting used to the fights, I've been spending more time trying to do heat runs, so that doesn't help the win streak either π
long saffron
Yeah
After I win one statue I go to the next
Currently can't even get out of Tartarus with 120 heat
thin ibex
How can i submit feedback about the game because it will not let as it says you are not allowed to submit any messages
olive jungle
Check the pinned post in #hades-feedback
dim basin
did yall just get refunded for hades?
grave crypt
Not me
hexed smelt
if you bought it just before the big sale, epic gives a refund on the difference
What if I bought a game just before the Epic Mega Sale? For all game purchases between May 2nd, 2019 and May 15th, 2019 we will refund you the difference in price between what you paid and what you would have paid during the Epic Mega Sale (inclusive of the $10 off from Epic). You will receive your refund automatically to the payment method you used in the next 7-12 days.
dim basin
Ah thanks @hexed smelt its just usually you dont see this happen to often sorry *
hexed smelt
someone is about to be very confused as to why they got pinged ;P
grave crypt
π
willow swallow
ivory fractal
Has anyone seen a Trial of the Gods in Elysium so far?
cloud jewel
i think once? but even then iβm not sure
nimble glacier
I was thinking about that the other day, never seen trial in Elysium iirc and I've done a lot of Elysium lol.
wide tartan
maybe the trial of the gods become more rare the more boons you have?
and so you don't see them too often in elysium as a result
rustic canopy
hey guys, after the last big update, is there any new info about an updated roadmap?
covert glen
@ancient frost π« You stole my name!
hexed smelt
@rustic canopy just click the "days to next major update" box on the main menu!
hexed smelt
yeah, it tells you on that box that pops up that everyone spam-clicks away to get into the game faster ;p
ancient frost
@covert glen not at all :)
covert glen
, , ,
glossy geyser
haha I angered Poseidon in a trial of the gods and used sea gods rage during it and he got salty
livid cargo
thats neat
atomic quail
Anyone know a good build to beat the miniature and Spartin guy boss fight?
onyx sigil
Yo guys sorry stupid question but whatβs the wiki people are talking about with all the prerequisites and stuff, the one Iβm finding in google is like ages outdated
hexed smelt
onyx sigil
<3
atomic quail
I keep getting to the last boss with like 5 lifes but they are just so beefy it is hard to kill one.
olive jungle
#h1-builds-and-combat would be a better place to discuss that!
atomic quail
@olive jungle thanks.
lapis parrot
I have a buff for the spear now it seems (+10% darkness). Does every weapon have one?
Do I get buffs by grinding each weapon?
atomic quail
It is random from what i know.
hexed smelt
it switches onto a random weapon that you aren't currently using and then stays on that one til you use it
lapis parrot
Ok thanks
What's the deal with Thanatos? Do u get a reward for killing more than him?
hexed smelt
||yes, you get a centaur heart on top of whatever the room reward was||
astral lagoon
the deal with thanatos... heβs cute
topaz lake
^
devout latch
Just got the game and tried it out this afternoon
On my third run got some crazy Aegis throw + Zeus thunderbolt combo and blasted all the way through to Elysium
Fun times
hexed smelt
nice!
it's weird, but i kinda miss the days when i was bad enough at the game that i wouldn't make it out of the first area
devout latch
I feel ya, when the early enemies still feel like an obstacle
I'm sure it won't be so easy for me next time
lethal garnet
So I bought the game with the epic sale discount and it's wonderful, the art, the music and the gameplay, love the game
hearty lark
is epic store the only way to get the game? could not find elsewhere
alpine stratus
yeah
lethal garnet
Yep
tepid yacht
Just while itβs in Early Access, but the full release probably wonβt be for another year-ish
hearty lark
I can wait π
scenic notch
Can you quit in the middle of a game and have your progress saved?
vapid drift
yes. if you took(or dealt? not sure) damage, you can't quit until you finish the room
scenic notch
ty
trim otter
pastel timber
feral moat
The Artemis "damage on cast drop" is really good against enemies that block - the cast enters even when they block
brisk trail
Yeah I always try to grab it when she shows up in my attempts
Theseus is waaaay easier with it
safe lodge
I was attempting a heat 31 run and got it.... And then I got Dionysus Tipsy Shot... Perfectly good waste of the drop damage boon π
simple parcel
Hi
Just want to Devs to know i pirated this game, however i did purchase it today because of how amazing it is. go team go
keep up the good work guys!
tulip lava
....well this is just awkward
chilly flare
yeah I honestly don't get the point in that. like it's supposed to be worth a pat on the back to support the people who make the games we play, I guess
summer acorn
I don't think piracy is the worst, like everything in life is not just black or white. I also pirated the game (and many more) as a try to test them before jumping and buy it, nowdays there are more stores that give you the warranty of 2 hours and 14 days to refund but it is more hassle and it doesn't happen when you buy a key.
tulip lava
okay but there's literally no point telling devs to their face that you pirated
summer acorn
I'm currently not playing any game I haven't bought, and in the case of Hades I downloaded a torrent because I wasn't sure if I ws going to like the same concept as Dead Cells. I took it to the office, I show to people, and we all bought Hades in the latest sale of the Epic Store
So we basically bought 6 copies with our own money after trying the pirated game
summer acorn
@tulip lava I honestly don't see the problem if you buy the game, is not like hey guys I stole from you, like I said we ended up buying the game legally.
tulip lava
i don't care about debating this
half surge
The main point is they enjoyed the game, not that they pirated it
summer acorn
Btw I love the voice acting, it is
Exquisite
Well like almost everything on the game, it is crazy how they can make this kind of game in just 2 years
summer acorn
I was so proud ;_; when I tried the game for the first time. We are making a 2D platform shooter, and one of the key mechanics of the combat was that you could "interrupt" enemies attacks with your basic attacks, but after advancing to new levels these enemies could enter in some kind of "rage" mode where you couldn't interrupt their attacks anymore and you had to damage them so their hp was 0 and then they would go back to normal state. I'm stoked to see how good it works in Hades.
pure cedar
Hey picked up this game on sale for 7 bucks about a week ago for the sale
I love roguelikes and man this one is great
The immersion is wonderful and the dialogue between the characters is great
Loving the dash mechanics, big fan of games that rewars tech skill
hexed smelt
glad you're enjoying it! ^^
pure cedar
Getting two hits with the stygian blade then dash cancelling and repeating it is great
I was originally gonna just hold off until it came out on steam but the sale made it super worth it
So far I've just gotten to Elysium
fervent rock
Hello, after a few hours on Hades I was wondering, what is the benefit to give ambrosia to gods after receiving there items, I can seem a lot of the people have number of hearts but I dont understand?
patent umbra
you get extra dialogue
flat vapor
there's no mechanical benefit, only story
fervent rock
ok
fervent rock
what do I need to do to post in feedback?
astral lagoon
check pinned
astral lagoon
if you click on the countdown until the next update in the game
there should be a roadmap
pliant hound
The Ares-Artemis combo- Hunting Blades is so powerful.
fervent rock
I wish this game was easier to use 3rd party program to "cheat" like trainers and cheat engines. π
radiant tangle
It's a consolation for the fact that they removed his only other duo boon (because it was completely broken)
flint gust
What was it
radiant tangle
Curse of Longing (curse effects refresh if they damage a weak enemy)
flint gust
Ooooh, yeah, that was a brutal one
fervent rock
not sure if this a bug but I am near a boons that say "require 25 skulls" I currently have 26 on me and doesnt allow me to take it
radiant tangle
Are they equipped via the pact of punishment?
fervent rock
huh?
radiant tangle
In Zag's room, there is a desk that you spend the skulls in to increase the difficulty of the game. The infernal gates unlock based on how much you've put into that
hexed smelt
infernal gates need you to have that much heat active, not just stockpiled
fickle vortex
Alot of people including myself are getting horrible horrible framedrops since last patch, while it used to run like a breeze. People think it's a memory leak. Have the devs adressed this?
half surge
There's a new hidden heat option which adds a memory leak to the game
in seriousness I've been having FPS drops in elysium too
hexed smelt
for me it mostly seems to be when entering rooms, and occasionally when picking up the first boon of the run
the boon one is weird though because if i wait for the tartarus title text to appear, then it doesn't seem to happen
it mostly happens if i dash forward and pick up the boon/hammer asap
summer acorn
Same,
vapid drift
I don't think it's a memory leak - if it was, closing the game and reopening it would improve your framerate, and waiting around would cause significant framerate drops - neither of which happen, as far as I've seen
hexed smelt
Please don't try and dodge Proxy's filters, @summer acorn .
summer acorn
It was more like a reflex, but ok ...
waxen maple
why cant I gift Hades more than only once? All the hears are locked
frigid lagoon
Game is a work in progress, I would guess thats why
waxen maple
yeah I know that but I thought that we had to come into a certain point and then we might be able to gift him more ambrosia π
but seems its probably locked behind development
frigid lagoon
Untill you said it I also thought it was story locked :S
astral lagoon
because hes an awful father 
waxen maple
hahahaha yeah could be that too xD. @frigid lagoon yeah Im so excited about it that I want to do everything in this game then I forget its on early access
frigid lagoon
It feels so complete and very well polished
void vigil
it could very well be story locked, but the story is development locked :P
rustic pecan
Yeah, when I completed Elysium the first time and got the Victory screen, I went, "Oh, right." I'd completely forgotten. This game rules.
sullen nebula
tfw send a bug report but then realize that it's not a bug and you missed something pepehands
prisma wind
We've all been there 
olive jungle
i have absolutely done that
waxen maple
Ive just finished the game! π
prisma wind
Congrats!
olive jungle
use an imgur link
prisma wind
You have to upload it somewhere and then post a link. Probably want to do that in #h1-builds-and-combat though
olive jungle
also please use #h1-story-discussion or-- yeah
waxen maple
Hmmm which of the two though?
prisma wind
Either works
hexed smelt
hades-spoilers is more for story discussion/speculation, gameplay's where you'd wanna go for builds and whatnot
waxen maple
alrighty done π
tepid yacht
livid cargo
Question: if sisyphus is bdg, does that mean bouldy is pat?
livid cargo
Hades but every voiceline from sisy is replaced with a bdg quote
timber topaz
'And could we really call this a punishment worthy of Tartarus if I didn't have to spend my whole existence trying to do something impossible?
Of course we couldn't...
Of course we couldn't......'
In this channel, you'll probably want to call him the 'fallen warrior'
tulip lava
"you gotta work through that labyrinth, but once you get in there and find the real minotaur, he might kill you BUT he might also open up and be really lovely"
prophetic
timber topaz
Sisyphus over in the corner counting up OSHA violations in Tartarus...
olive jungle
he doesn't have anything better to do with his time
alpine stratus
the only OSHA in tartarus is Oh Shoot, Hades Arrived
timber topaz
Oof
timber topaz
'And if, in fact, these pots are private property, and Zagreus is willfully destroying them...
Zagreus is a war criminal.'
timber topaz
Unfortunately for this gag, Zag doesn't actually attack anyone who won't fight back...
olive jungle
murnder
alpine stratus
muuuurdururn!!
olive jungle
there is more than one valid way to pun urn murder gfkdhgdf
timber topaz
No doubt, no doubt.
prisma wind
Zag us charged with Assault & Pottery
olive jungle
Zag charged with Results & Flattery
tulip lava
urn criminal
jolly lodge
what of the part where he hands moonshine ambrosia to people
isn't that kind of crime too
urn murder, ambrosia gifting, walking in lava (tresspassing?)
prisma wind
It's supposed to be contraband, I guess, but Zag gives it to everybody with no consequence, so...
jolly lodge
so just urn murder and walking in lava
tulip lava
it's not moonshine
he didn't make the ambrosia under his bed
he just kinda found it
lying around
alpine stratus
who DOES make the ambrosia
who puts it in the cutesy bottles
and WHO, may i ask..........lights the way for theeeeee aiiiiimlesss
jolly lodge
I always thought the ghosts were making moonshine ambrosia under their... tomb? dust? ghost space? and then zag finds them
alpine stratus
hjvhjfhjfhjfjfj
jolly lodge
hm now that you mention it, the bottles are kind of cutesy
tulip lava
they have a ribbon
chilly stump
I got Pyre-rolled by my own mod. 
alpine stratus
thats my secret cait......im always thinking about pyre
olive jungle
so clearly...somebody in elysium is winning a bunch of back alley fights and sending ambrosia down the river
chilly stump
That's Not A Secret
tulip lava
charon is an ambrosia dealer
alpine stratus
oh my god imagine.......for a moment..................youre a shade in elysium and you win these fights cause u love the punching and they keep giving you ambrosia bottles and youre like. i hate this stuff actually so you toss it out
prisma wind
You... can't buy Ambrosia from Charon? That's not a thing, is it?
Wretched Broker, yes
alpine stratus
yeah its the best food in the world but im a picky eater
prisma wind
I don't remember that at all
alpine stratus
hey what if its contraband cause ur not suposed 2 drink it w/o winning it
prisma wind
Not saying it couldn't be true, just that it's not in my memory
tulip lava
what have you done to deserve this ambrosia
vital belfry
You could buy ambrosia from him in an earlier version of the game, before the broker was introduced. People considered it a waste of a shopkeep slot at the time.
prisma wind
Ok, yes, you're 100% right - I looked back through old versions of Charon's shop and 
was once available for 300 
Probably why I don't remember it 'cause who would pay that extortionate price
alpine stratus
excuse you. charon had to fight everyone in elysium for that
flat vapor
who would pay 300 for a bottle of gold orange juice when you could just fight some dead people for it
alpine stratus
charon fought fair and square
tulip lava
charon is the swolest character
prisma wind
I think he actually just sells you things he finds floating in the river
flat vapor
mmm, wet gyro
prisma wind
Or that shades leave behind in his boat
vital belfry
One day Charon pulls down his hood and it's just Skelly beneath