That's cool Patrick, Shield is surprisingly effective with the right boons
#h1-discussion
ivory fractal
I promise I'm not trying to be condescending, but how long have you been playing? You shouldn't have any trouble winning with any weapon provided that your Mirror of Night is sufficiently stacked.
potent siren
Mirror helps but being effective with one particular weapon works for you, i can't imagine winning the game with the bow.
stone sparrow
Spear + Ares DMG upgrade + Attack= Overpowererd
ivory fractal
The bow is my least favourite weapon, but it's absurdly effective if you pump its special with the right boons. Poseidon, Dionysus and Zeus are all great with it.
hexed smelt
meanwhile about 60% of my clears come from bow
potent siren
Jackets, i agree the Spear is great.
hexed smelt
my favourite build right now with the bow is either athena attack + twin shot, or artemis attack + rapid shot
potent siren
True Kenji, the crit damage with the bow is devastating, i just can't seem to get better with the bow though
olive jungle
my friend just got to the final boss on her, like, 15th run ever of the game and first run through asphodel using spear, vicious skewer, pressure points, and clean kill
broken
hexed smelt
i'm not a huge fan of the bow's special but if you pick up athena special with bow it can be a nice tool for dealing with asphodel witches
vale kite
that sounds absolutely overkill
hexed smelt
ven did you see my speedrun yesterday
olive jungle
i saw the screencap from the end yes
hexed smelt
i cleared the game in about 8:40
vale kite
holy
olive jungle
yeah the spear needs a nerf badly gkjfg
vale kite
my best is 10 minutes kdsfjkg
hexed smelt
vicious skewer + athena special = 500-damage crits
potent siren
Do you guys think that the Rail's special should be improved? Like the bomb's drop should be faster?
olive jungle
there's some feedback to that effect
olive jungle
sick tree
It occurred to me recently why a lot of the weapons in Hades rub me the wrong way,
they're too specialised: they're great in certain situations but kinda awful in others
Bastion's weapons were similarly specialised but it was level based and often let you switch weapons in the middle of a level,
So, even if only 2 or 3 really, really clicked for you, if you were fighting a bunch of tiny flying enemies, you could equip one of the guns that are effective against them, etc. etc.
but in Hades, one has to get you through several, wildly different challenges
hexed smelt
i'm basically never getting a time this good again lmao
potent siren
I agree Patrick, in some situations the same weapon and its special isn't helpful, like if you're surrounded by a lot of enemies, Stygian blade's special can knock them ALL away, but can't do that with the shield or the Spear
@hexed smelt - Good stuff, congrats!
stone sparrow
I feel like as they make the game longer, one of the 'level joining rooms' will have the option to swap weapons
it's just not necessary atm because there is only 2 'levelsl
sick tree
It's not necessarily a bad thing but it means picking a weapon that's particularly effective in Tartarus usually means being disadvantaged in Asphodel or vise versa
hexed smelt
the issue i can see with changing weapons mid-run: what about hammers?
potent siren
Agreed
vale kite
the spear is effective literally everywhere imo
hexed smelt
if i've picked up a hammer, then i change my weapon, would the game randomly pick a new effect for me? give me a new set of three to pick from? what if i don't like any of my options, and end up wishing i'd stuck with the original?
sick tree
Loosing your hammer upgrade could be an effective penalty for needing to switch weapons? (shrug)
potent siren
Cool, but honestly i haven't switched to any other weapon after the Rail.
Also guys, what was the name of the Rail?. I remember Hades says it when you pick it up for the first time, Exo or Exa something.
Zagreus says it*
sick tree
but anyway, yeah: that's why I like the shield, it's not the best at melee, mid range or long range but it can do all three decently
stone sparrow
'Le Anicent Machine Gun'
hexed smelt
Exagryph, the Adamant Rail
potent siren
Thanks sparronysus
hexed smelt
sparrow
potent siren
Ok sparrow, sorry for calling you by your actual username 😛
hexed smelt
my actual username is still sparrow.
sick tree
Am I the only one who finds the weirdly modern weapon sound effects to be a little distracting?
I feel like it should sound a little clunkier and...err mechanical?
potent siren
@hexed smelt - Cool, good to know who i'm avoiding from now on.
hexed smelt
nah, if it was clunkier it wouldn't be as intimidating
sick tree
less like a modern rifle and more like a cannon?
potent siren
Patrick, you mean for the Rail?
sick tree
Ja
potent siren
It should be i guess, but i think since it shoots so fast they had to make it something easy on the ears.
vale kite
exagryph the adamant nerf gun
hexed smelt
i mean all i did was correct you on what to call me, do you also have this response if you get someone's name wrong in real life?
anyway
i think my favourite detail about exagryph's sound effects is the little eagle screech you can hear when you reload
potent siren
Dio, Adamant Nerf Gun from Toys R Us
vale kite
that or the literal tf2 demoman in hades with the special
potent siren
LOL good one.
limpid goblet
I shall now be known as the Ancient Turtlean of the Divine Crab Isles
ivory fractal
I bet one of them is supposed to be a challenge room like the beach backdoors in Transistor.
stone sparrow
probably yeah
or a music room
I loved just chillin' and hitting the beach ball around
cold bramble
I am interested in knowing if Hades would come up for Mac? Fingers crossed
prisma wind
Any other platforms won't happen until after the game is out of Early Access
We expect to bring Hades to a variety of other platforms once Early Access is complete, including Steam. That’s not for a while so we can't make any promises here yet.```
fair bone
I'm not surprised
Glad they're focusing on putting out a good, finished product before worrying about transferring it to anything
vale kite
16 days until next major update
lapis cedar
anybody know how i can sleep for 16 days?
limpid goblet
Coma
alpine stratus
what already its so little....what
prisma wind
Time is the enemy
alpine stratus
what
hexed smelt
the next update's going to drop while i'm on holiday ;A;
alpine stratus
;A; noooooooo
prisma wind
sparrow
lapis cedar
that's one of the better reasons to miss an update 🤷
finite zodiac
what does a lock on a heart in the top right of a codex entry mean lads?
alpine stratus
means theres more ambrosia events that havent been put into the game yet!
alpine stratus
theyre....not in the game yet, there is no way to know, but i would guess not?
finite zodiac
i just got gam
played other supergiant stuff tho
what weapons r ur ladses favourites
prisma wind
Bow and spear are my favourites, but a lot of it will depend on your own playstyle
vale kite
no one:
ares boon pickup sfx: https://i.imgur.com/9HRmbt7.jpg
alpine stratus
GHFCHJGFCHJFCHJF
vale kite
direct embeds are disabled
limpid goblet
Ooh
Then I have no idea how to share, Ares got me thinking about just having an Ares cast only run
prisma wind
Just post a link to the image
limpid goblet
oh
uhh
I still think Ares Cast does way too much damaggios
If you get a good run 🤔
ivory fractal
No Black Metal? For shame!
wet reef
I finally finished my first run! Dionysus really helped me out
sick tree
How many tries?
wet reef
35
prisma wind
Congrats!
wet reef
mind you I've been playing this since the 'release', I guess I found a very good friend in Dionysus because I love his poison effects
espescially in combination with the gun's piercing shot
Alright then, onto the sword
any recommendations what gods or upgrades to focus on?
limpid goblet
Artemis and Ares
finite zodiac
ne1 kno if charon, nyx, orpheus, and sisyphus are placeholders?
hexed smelt
the hooded portraits are all placeholder artwork, yes
#hades-faq would have told you that ;P
vale kite
individually modeling every single shade in the game
limpid goblet
Oh no
wheat bolt
just bought the game after watching the No Clip documentary. gotta support people passionate about making games . 
tulip lava
Alright this shade is a...-rolls dice- thracian -throws dart at wall- baker who died of -spins wheel- allergy to bee stings
unkempt sleet
https://imgur.com/a/aNaSBaf
I amanged to get all the way to the first boss without getting damaged. Asphodel, not so much.
But yeah I feel like rapid fire shield + zeus special is pretty good.
burnt grove
favourite weapon huh?
I'd love to use spear, but it's meh in this game.
Shield is easiest to survive with, but well.... not my personal weapon of choice
ancient elk
Feedback seems to be becoming a bit congested with suggestions :/
sour dagger
hexed smelt
guys, could we keep the victory screenshots to #h1-builds-and-combat please
south galleon
Does Armor Slayer (sword upgrade that deals 300% to armor) effect attack boon effects? Like will it make Curse, Chain Lightning, etc deal more to armor as well?
velvet lion
iirc it only affects the direct damage on the attack, not additional damage effects as a result of doing the attack
It is not coded as the attack
south galleon
Ah, that's a shame.
I'm assuming that true for all upgrades that do extra damage against armor.
heady fog
What does the ❌ reaction mean ?
signal spoke
that it isn't relevant or doesn't comply with the rules
heady fog
Thanks !
signal spoke
sure thing
limpid goblet
Only 15 days remain
rich glacier
I just had an off thought while I was reading some of the recent opinions on chaos in the feedback area. What if instead of giving you a slight punishment for a few encounters for one of those various buffs to gold/darkness/ boons/ etc abilities after it was done, it could something permanent for the entire run with more potent tweaks to boons in place or even a Daedalus level augment?
For example. Instead of having you lose health on dash/attack/etc. Enemies have more projectiles and more ebemies. and your bow attack will split two arrows out on impact with an enemy that ricochet toward other targets
I've been without power for about 9 hours now so my gears are spinning. But if I recall chaos wants to make things more... Interesting correct?
Maybe let it be a modifier based on one of your Daedalus boons even.. I just thought up a really chaotic one for the adament rail. Your clusterbombs home in on targets for the positive effect. The negative is enemies killed throw bombs at you. And have it last the ENTIRE RUN
So suddenly you're this madly dashing person causing enough explosions to make Michael Bay blush while frantically dodging the retaliatory grenades being lobbed back after you burn your enemies to a crisp
void vigil
i haven't listened to those yet, but i think these might be better suited to #music, since they're not directly linked to hades, and also are music
sick tree
Well, maybe, but this is the thread where the people who are most likely to enjoy them tend to hang out
They're not directly about the game 'Hades' but they are about Hades 😅
void vigil
the music channel is pretty active though! we would like to keep stuff on topic as well, and this channel is for the game hades
alpine stratus
i mean, this is the server where ppl who like hades hang out! youll still find em
sick tree
(shrug) - I've never really touched the secondary threads, but I'll take a look
Hmm... meh
(scratches head)
void vigil
well, im sorry you dont like them but this server has rules i'm supposed to enforce, as a mod 😅 could you just repost those in #music?
sick tree
I suppose so, but I have to go for a sec, will do it when I get back
alpine stratus
sure, would you like me to repost w your comments for you while youre out?
olive jungle
@radiant halo That's more a bug than feedback - if you were able to report the crash, that's sufficient, no need to post in the channel. If there wasn't a bug/crash reporter that popped up, you can probably report the details directly once SGG is online.
radiant halo
Ah my bad, sorry about that. There's been no crash report. Just consistent freeze and have to kill the game if I launch, forgetting to plug in first
Is there a more appropriate place to post it?
olive jungle
Yeah, #h1-tech-support
radiant halo
ok, will do then.
olive jungle
👍
agile agate
How do we get the permission to give feedback ?
olive jungle
check the pinned post in #hades-feedback
radiant tangle
You know, given that Dionysus once cursed a bunch of sailors and turned them into dolphins, a tiny singing dolphin isn't outside the realm of possibility
alpine stratus
"heeeey, zag, im getting orpheus a little buddy"
radiant tangle
YES YES YES
primal arch
whens next update?
radiant tangle
Two weeks
sick tree
Why is so much of the recent feedback concerned with Chaos?, not Dionysus or any of the stuff added in the latest update?
smoky arrow
I like Dionysus
I don't have many issues with Chaos either though
Keeps me playing in different ways
hexed smelt
i assume because there's been a little discussion about them and people might feel more strongly about chaos than they do about dionysus
smoky arrow
But Dionysus is DionNICE...us
hexed smelt
feedback on one topic tends to inspire people to give their own views on it
sick tree
I'm not oblivious to that Sparrow, my point is about the timing.
Did the latest update bring in a torrent of new players or has it just taken an oddly long time for people to articulate their issues with Chaos?
If were as simple as: people feel strongly about Chaos, you'd expect to see the feedback about it be most pronounced around their update, not the next one
alpine stratus
sometimes things just happen
sick tree
and sometimes people are just curious.
velvet lion
For Dionysus, I like the blight wine but I don’t like the fog from the cast
Maybe have the cast instead apply multiple stacks of blight wine
Also how does the game track if an enemy has blight wine from different sources that is supposed to do different amounts of damage?
Or another change for the cast could be keep the aoe and lingering, but instead of the slow fog enemies gain stacks of blight wine for standing in it
south galleon
I feel like Dionysus is pretty weak at the moment. There's a lot of of interesting ideas that don't quite work well unless you go all in with him.
The way Blight Wine stacks it's not great on slower single hit weapons loke the Bow attack or the gun's special without also having another way to add stacks.
Festive Fog is rad and could syngerize well with Ares' dash and cast, but only Dio's cast can create it. I'm surprised there's not "when you take damage create a cloud of Festive Fog" or "on death enemies creat Festive Fog." The upgrades around it aren't very useful.
limpid goblet
^ yes on the later stuff
vital belfry
I'd say it takes people a while to come to conclusions about the game's updates and the impact they have on the game as a whole. The chaos update was great! So was dio's release.
Only thing I'm confused about is the lack of retaliation boon on dio. Is there not one?
alpine stratus
omg thatd b so much fun....hangover's vengence
flint gust
It'd have nothing to do with his mechanics either
Just a brutal % up on the damage of the next attack after a hit as Zag blindly swats at whatever harshed his mellow of dash-zipping though a web of lava puddles, nubmskulls and witch bullets
spring cipher
I think its because people are content with the state dionysus is in
And arent content with chaos
velvet lion
dionysus does need some tuning, but Chaos needs more
flint gust
Dio will get fixed if the highest tick of blight wine applies if the enemy is hit at least once with that particular tick's source
Chaos... i dont mind personally but there are definitely scenarios where its suicidal or pointless to choose them
ionic hornet
Anyone know what's up with the brief intros with Hades talking ominously before a run starts? I've seen a couple, "Place" and "Fear" to name a few, not sure whether they have a gameplay impact or just there for flavor.
velvet lion
they are just flavor and lore
ionic hornet
Neat.
hexed smelt
they're memories zag is recalling of things hades has said before
lapis cedar
They are neat, you also get to look at Hades flashy eyes
smoky arrow
Has anyone noticed the health item is a gyro and fries?
I always jokingly called it McDonald's but now that I think about it looks like a gyro.
limpid goblet
YUM
south galleon
Yeah, I kinda love that it looks like a food truck gyro. It makes me joking wonder if the game is actually set in modern times. I doubt it, but that would be a funny hint.
stone sparrow
Anyone feel like SG tried to do an English accent for Zagreus? There is a history of the devil in fiction being portrayed as English or English Accented. Idk, it just feels, to me, like that's what they were going for.
hexed smelt
there's a Greg Quote on that actually! and a Darren Quote!
the tl;dr is that the underworld natives are intended to have an american-style accent, while characters like achilles and orpheus are closer to the LoTR-esque "fantasy british" sort of accent
ivory fractal
That doesn't really explain Skelly, though. He most definitely isn't an Underworld native; just a resident.
fiery pebble
Do we know that?
Shades dont tend to look like skeletons
He might well be an underworld native
hexed smelt
he's a bloodless
achilles also notes in the codex that he's "uncertain of who [Skelly] was in life"
fiery pebble
I mean, is he?
He doesnt fit the description in the codex
But the other one is a good point
Then again, Zag is an underworld native and he sure aint american
raw leaf
I discover your studio and your games via Hades. You are nailing it on the gameplay and your games are so full of characters. Thanks a lot !
stone sparrow
I do often wonder what time period Hades is set in
if the Gods live forever it could be any time
allowing a New Yorker Style accent to slip into the game
wet reef
With the fries and burgers and sandwhiches around I still think it plays present day-ish
But Hades, Hypnos and Tartaros really don't want to redecorate
alpine stratus
"Slip" makes it sound like skelly snuck into the booth while everyone at sgg was asleep 😂
wet reef
we'll see
because so far all the SGG titles had some interesting twist to the setting that was revealed in the middle-ish
wonder whats it gonna be for this one
stone sparrow
It was a dream all along
flint gust
I have a feeling that at the end of the story
Zagreus will willingly go home
To the house of Hades
Considering it becomes a warmer and happier place the further you get and the more you share your experiences and ambrosia
Meg warms up to you again and almost enjoys the duty of keeping you stuck in tartarus
Orpheus sings again
The Dusa ship gets real
Maybe Zag's continued struggle is inspiring all of them
Slowly
One death at a time
velvet lion
A big thing to note is that time in Hades is probably much slower than time on Earth
tulip lava
aw i missed the accent conversation
americans putting on a british affect in the twentieth century to sound posh and upper class was A Thing
that poshy half american half british accent (called midatlantic accent) still remaining in media and entertainment and being used for vaguely fantasy characters ranging from disney villains to princess leia is also A Thing
i guess my point is that they're not trying to do actual authentic british accents
sick tree
Speaking of accents,
As a British person, I can't decide whether to be offended by Dionysus' voice or delighted
😂
tulip lava
what even do you call that, half british half californian surfer dude?
sterile peak
british frat bro
hexed smelt
you'll be carrying it for a while then
sick tree
I've been comparing his first couple of voice clips to various regional British ones for about 20 minutes
It's mostly RP but not quite
tulip lava
i'd happy to just lump it under mid-atlantic
(bc it's halfway between america and britain which is in the middle of the atlantic ocean, ba dum tsh)
vital belfry
I'd give Dio a high five and listen to him talk about his last rager, he's hecka cool.
tulip lava
name also nicely highlights the fact that it's a made up accent and not naturally developed
when do we get a god with a canadian accent
sick tree
I feel like the director asked him to do a British accent, he asked which kind but ended up getting confused so, instead of just doing a basic RP British accent, he tried to do all of them at once~
...still, I'm, like, 90% sure the actor isn't British though
😅
tulip lava
can thanatos say 'sore-rry about that eh' while he takes my soul to tartarus
so when you tell a british person 'do an american accent' what kind of accent do they do
vital belfry
"Hay thare guise."
sick tree
Hell if I know
tulip lava
well what would you do?
sick tree
That said: I really wanna see a God with a Welsh or Irish accent now~
that would be adorable~
gaunt bane
cyrus nemati is in germany, isn't he?
gaunt bane
i feel like i read that somewhere--i mean like... located there
idk about from there tho
but perhaps that helps peel back some of the layers of this onion
tulip lava
or does it just add more layers
gaunt bane
a snowball but it's an onion
tulip lava
i found a tweet that says "I’ve been in Germany for three and a half months, and I have been pretty proud of how quickly my language skills are developing."
gaunt bane
this sleuthing
tulip lava
pink panther theme
sick tree
(Goes off to watch old episodes of 'The Pink Panther')
tulip lava
xel that is a top tier pun nickname
red coral
Oooo this is lovely! Be sure to share it in the #fan-works channel to give it the attention it deserves
silk nebula
oh neat thanks!
lime hinge
@silk nebula Is it okay if I show that art on another server?
silk nebula
sure!
lime hinge
And link lobbed at the Scion discord.
Why does your style look so familiar though?
I could have shown I've seen your stuff before, but I don't know where, especially since I don't play mobas.
vale kite
THIS IS SO GOOD
void vigil
I recognize it from olympus overdrive but it sure has been a while since that
candid veldt
I don't get the heat resource lorewise... Why heat. Why not blood, everybody keeps saying blood and darkness anyways. And wouldn't singing a pact of punishment with more and more blood make more sense.... I don't know...
void vigil
zagreus calls the heat the "blood of the underworld", so
it is blood. just not zag's blood
sick tree
Can someone give a broad explanation as to why Zeus has been nerfed so heavily?
and to what extent, since launch to now?
I think I understand it but I don't really pay attention to damage numbers, so I don't want to misattribute the problem to a certain aspect of their design, before I propose a solution
limpid goblet
Cause he was megagiga op I guess, and Zeus is just supposed to be crowd control and clearing
Melting every stage in 2 seconds was kinda OOf I guess
sick tree
As I understand it: The issue is that, initially, they balanced his boons under the assumption you'd primarily be using his abilities with single-target attacks, like the sword and bow's normal strikes (yeah, you can hit more than one enemy if they're close together but generally, you'll be handling one at a time) or the dash, with his boon
The issue being that when players leaned how to chain those attacks together really effectively or they added more AOE attacks, it became OP,
so they just kept bringing the base damage down until his boons were still pretty powerful for AOE attacks, but kinda feeble for single-target ones
olive jungle
Technically the "nerf" is about where zeus' boons were to begin with
so it's more like they've been brought back down to where they were before
sick tree
Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?
olive jungle
As in, earlier in development Zeus boons were weaker, then they got buffed
Now they're weaker again
sick tree
Hmm
olive jungle
Patch notes from 1/15/19: "Lightning Strike (Zeus): increased damage"
then patch notes from 2/14/19, "Lightning Strike (Zeus): reduced damage"
sick tree
Well, I don't know about that, as I said: I don't pay attention to damage numbers so I don't know how now compares to then,
but either way, it seems to me that, since they don't know what weapon you'll be using when you acquire a boon, they have to balance the base-damage under the assumption you have an AOE attack, like the rail's special,
which tends to make the damage quite weak if you're using a single-target attack, like the spear's special
clever linden
Zeus is nerfed because the boon gave way too much damage per second with the exagryph
sick tree
If that's the case, they can't really keep the game perfectly balanced, right now, because calculating the right amount of damage for the spear would make the rail over powered and giving the right amount of damage for the rail would make the spear underpowered
clever linden
I guess the devs search a better solution
sick tree
But... what I just said makes sense right?
😅
Wanna make sure I've got the problem straight before I try to figure out a solution
clever linden
Well, that was exactly the cause of the nerf
An epic zeus boon was for the gun a +250% damage... in AoE
sick tree
I usually try to give feedback that I think could be easily implemented and fits within the framework of their design already
but I think they need to go down to the metal a bit and rework how damage is calculated, so attacks that will only hit one target do a different amount of damage to those that could hit twelve
hexed smelt
if you’re going to leave feedback you don’t need to have a solution
sick tree
Regardless of whether it's a normal attack, a special or a cast
I know, but I like to have these things clear in my own head so I know where I actually want to point them
clever linden
Well, the issue here is the rapidity of the weapon and raw number, not the fact it can damage more than one ennemy at once
hexed smelt
also unpopular opinion but i don’t think zeus attack is underpowered now
hexed smelt
it could maybe be tweaked a little higher but it was frankly ridiculous before
sick tree
Well, Zeus is the example I'm using because he's been so heavily nerfed, either way, there's still a disparity between AOE attacks and single-target ones
clever linden
But Zeus and his Aoe was ok before the gun.
hexed smelt
it really wasn’t. i had zeus attack boons that did 60 damage
sick tree
Which attack exactly?
hexed smelt
that’s too much, considering the damage per hit of spear and sword without upgrades
.....zeus. zeus attack. i said.
clever linden
60 damage per bolt? with how many poms then?
sick tree
Ah, okay, I wasn't really thinking of Zeus' normal attack as AOE but I see what you mean now I think about it
hexed smelt
i’m trying to look at old screenshots to work it out but i don’t think it needed many
daring stag
Hi everyone! :)
alpine stratus
in my experience no
torn pond
When hades price changed of $20 to $10?
prisma wind
Regional pricing was introduced a while back, as I recall
winter river
I feel like it'd be cool if we could assign boons and daedelus upgrades in the practice room. Beating on skelly seems pointless if you can't practice an actual set as it works in the game.
dawn bramble
It'd take away from the in the moment experimentation though
I think some people were talking about this before?
prisma wind
It's come up at several different times, yeah
winter river
I mean, its not like people who didn't want to use it would be required too
plus you could maintain novelty by only including standard boons, no rare/epic/legendary
dawn bramble
I think that, or adding it into the codex would prolly be the best route(s)?
winter river
right now it just seems like the practice room serves no purpose
prisma wind
I'd be happy to see boons that you discover in the Codex
dawn bramble
Same
winter river
ya, that'd be cool
dawn bramble
I always forget the different boons
prisma wind
That being said, the wiki is a great resource for info on the boons
winter river
maybe you can only use boons in practice you've encountered once in game?
dawn bramble
Maybe all common boons are listed as soon as the god is completed/added to the codex? and then the higher ranked boons appear as you get em
dusty elm
@sterile peak its working fine for me tho. I accessed offline through Hades.exe yesterday and played it online just now.
Maybe u can test it first with a new save
cloud jewel
me, looking at a treasure trove: eh, might as well
zagreus, immediately after opening it: eh, might as well
10/10 character
weak anchor
^Happened to me with "let's try it." The writing in this game is top notch 👌
dense field
Hey, I have a question about game mechanics (damage interaction from different boons) - do I post it here or in #h1-builds-and-combat ?
olive jungle
Gameplay is probably better!
harsh pike
I can’t wait for Thanatos to be an exact replica of his kid Icarus appearance
hexed smelt
hm! after a quick google search i can safely say: no thanks!
harsh pike
He become a big foot
vale kite
you can be goth and cool looking!!!
hexed smelt
[slams fists on table] curly white undercut
covert glen
not saying you can't
harsh pike
Charon but fat
covert glen
but i'd be more interested in another interpretation
than goth -- look at hellblazer
covert glen
death is a goth woman
vale kite
oh like 8 ft tall
covert glen
yeah
vale kite
yeah that could be a good running gag
harsh pike
Always ~an inch larger than your computer screen
vale kite
*all the underworld bosses are consistently taller than the protag
all of them make at least one short zag joke
covert glen
i don't want to deal w/ 9 sassy hydra heads
seeing as hades is wealth
black, gray and gold
harsh pike
Apparently Thanatos is hypnos’s twin brother, so he’ll probably look like Hypnos 2
hexed smelt
deimos is the son of ares and aphrodite, so i don't think so
vale kite
just came up with a good thanatos interaction idea w/ hypnos
when you come back to the house you find them together and thanatos is reading hypnos' list of your deaths
and he goes "oh my god he really did that"
smoky arrow
Thanatos will just look like inverted Hypnos
hexed smelt
"hey. hey zag. tell me this list is wrong, please, i can't bear thinking you actually died these ways."
covert glen
or
hexed smelt
hypnos, in the background: "it's not wrong!! i make sure it isn't!!"
covert glen
you never see thanatos, because death is everywhere
and he's been around since the beginning
vale kite
nah hypnos would be like
hexed smelt
ok but thanatos definitely is a character
vale kite
"oh this is just the beginning alright"
covert glen
(narrator)
hexed smelt
like, he has to be,
hypnos and zag talk about him like "oh he should be back by now"
radiant tangle
Except he's usually asleep when you respawn
vale kite
thats bc he's in thanatos' body
radiant tangle
Ooooh I see
brisk trail
No wonder Thanatos is so late; you won't let Hypnos catch some Zzzs
vale kite
what if
we're introduced to thanatos in the house first and hades orders him to go to elysium or something to stop zag if he gets there
cuz thanatos probably doesnt know zag wants to escape so he'll probably just head to the house first
hexed smelt
"hey dad what's u-- what"
vale kite
"oh ok mr.hades im boutta head out"
smoky arrow
I'd like to see him as a boss and if you die to him Hypnos tells you to please kick Thanatos butt so he can see his brother
covert glen
thanatos as a boss most definitely
but i have a feeling as if the greeks are dealing with the uh
war against persia
covert glen
wait this is spoilers territory
in either case
thanabro is busy
and we won't be seeing him for a while
smoky arrow
Hyped either way.
harsh pike
Charon is a funny skeleton
foggy nexus
I just wanted to say I really like this game. I think the current content is very well polished and very well executed. I really like how the music and story ties the gameplay and art together. Very well done Supergiant! ❤
knotty depot
Kinda hate that Hades have only 1 heart count, hope there will be more and he will tell a story about his wife and how those guys in the mountain so bad and hell is a great place. Well, it would be great to see situation from his perspective (not necessarily truthful) so we can relate to him a bit.
alpine stratus
He has lots of hearts, theyre just locked- he'll get more events in the future, most likely!
torn pond
Guys, I 'm a HUGE lover of roguelike games, compared to dead cells, which I believe to be one of the best, you guys think that Hades is: Better, worse or "equal"?
hexed smelt
that's an unfair comparison to make at this point in time
dead cells already had its early access development time and has been out for a year; hades is just shy of three months into early access
gaunt bane
yeah, i was gonna say, i haven't played dead cells myself but they're in very different spots in terms of lifecycle aren't they?
torn pond
@hexed smelt @gaunt bane I dont think it's an unfair comparison. I apologize if it seemed that I compared it looking like "badness" or "malice". I compared dead cells just because I think Hades has a lot of potential. Even in EA I think it already surpasses many other roguelikes already released of several types, like dungreed, rogue legacy, etc.
gaunt bane
oh no, i don't think you meant it that way! i just think it's very hard to make a comparison that is, idk, robust
it's like onions and pomegranates
torn pond
Hahahah seriously? Why do you think so different?
I mean. I really would like to understand your point of view.
olive jungle
Well, we don't know where the game is going
Balance and mechanics are changing constantly
With every update the feel of the game changes a lot
Where it is now and where it is in three months are gonna be totally different comparisons
so like we can say "oh this is how it stacks up now but it has these problems" and in a few months those problems may still be there or they may not, and there may be new strengths and weaknesses too
tepid orchid
Also, Hades is much more narratively based than Dead Cells is, which is just a totally different axis to look at
olive jungle
right! hades has a ton of meta-progression
storywise
it uses the constant dying as a narrative device
obsidian maple
hey guys someone knows if i can buy hades for a friend or the epics games store does not allow it
torn pond
I understand. But even if without completion nothing prevents us from enjoying the game, evolution. The changes and new things. Not?
I believe that the game has a strong "base idea", which will not be changed, which is understandable even at this point in the game, so I asked my question.
olive jungle
Epic Store doesn't currently allow gifting games
obsidian maple
oof thats kinda sad,thanks anyways dude!
olive jungle
np!
torn pond
Although without completion each should have already formulated a "general note" for the game, was basically what I wanted to know.
I'm sorry if I mispronounced.
slim cargo
@torn pond
Hey, if you asked for another meaning, so here. About rogue-games- i played only isaac and gungeon, and i like the way they are made. I played isaac more than 200 hours, beat everything in hard mode, and game still give me joy and pleasure during the process. Hades not like that. I played only 15 hours and i feel boring, like game doesn't offer me something new in each run, which is rather strange for rouge-like game. Yeah, i think that's the problem. The things you found during the run, usually can't change your playstyle. And what about you?
limpid goblet
Wha
unkempt sleet
Do people not know about the roadmap or something? When I see them say the game doesn't have enough content I would like to remind them that it's not even halfway done.
prisma wind
I know it's frustrating, but there's no need to mock people about it
plush dagger
I wanted to add a Ron face and I accidentaly deleted it gg
wasnt trying to be rude sorry
unkempt sleet
I don't mean to mock them, actually the roadmap isn't that visible, I stumbled upon it on accident. Maybe they should make it more apparent?
prisma wind
That wasn't directed at you Thunder, sorry for the confusion. The post was deleted right around when I posted
unkempt sleet
Ah. The wonders of editing.
dawn bramble
I mean... Hades is in early access
It's plastered everywhere
Even if you haven't seen the roadmap,,
plush dagger
I was making a joke about people posting "When will Hades ne available on Steam" everywhere even though the answe is posted on every possible social media
prisma wind
I'd like to see the Roadmap be a regular menu option, personally, and not combined with the "Next update in..." button
dawn bramble
^ Yeah
hexed smelt
it tells you where the roadmap is in the pop up box that appears when you launch the game
the one everyone spam-clicks to get past without reading
torn pond
Hey @slim cargo thanks for the reply. I honestly watch the game more than I play. I watch during my lunch schedule because it is the moment that I want to give a rest instead of being working or studying. From the little that I could perceive the game does not seem as tiring and nauseous as you said, I respect your opinion very much and I can see a good line of reasoning in it, but by not yet having played much of the game I have not yet reached that point. I currently have 120+ hours of dead cells and I feel like you in relation to isaac, the game still challenges me and amuses me. I can not say but I believe that hades follow this line also because it seems very good, at least when watching seems to have a good variety of encounters and weapons. it seems amazing, what you think about that variety?
I continue to accept all opinions, guys, the game looks promising and the debate about it is interesting. I hope I'm not looking rude or mocking.
olive jungle
Nah, you're good!
plush dagger
I do believe Hades fails on entertaining the "every run is different" fantasy because it ironically gives you too many choices
So in the end it will always boil down to whats more effective with our playstyle and ignore everything else/get bummed when we dont get the exact thing we needed
I know I said "we" but I dont have these issues really, sry english is hard
torn pond
Is a really good point @plush dagger
dawn bramble
For me the weapons plays a giant role in how I play, and with the amount of weapons, everythings pretty new to me every run
plush dagger
same, the first time I played with the Rail I felt clunky af
now its my favourite weapon
dawn bramble
Samee
olive jungle
I'm so bad at everything but bow, and that's nobody's fault but my own lol
I need to practice with other stuff
i'm pretty good with the sword too
olive jungle
i see people doing these absurd spear runs and i'm like why can't i do that lol
dawn bramble
god same I want those skills
plush dagger
bow is the most universal imo
most useful in most situations
dawn bramble
I've only beat meg with a weapon other than the shield once
plush dagger
At least its the one I use for heat runs
unkempt sleet
I cannot wrap my head around bow
olive jungle
i've always been a ranged weapon person
unkempt sleet
The charge thing isn't my cup of tea
dawn bramble
I'm used to the bows flashing mechanic because of pyre
prisma wind
I love bow so much
dawn bramble
shield,.,,,,
unkempt sleet
I'm a spear guy
dawn bramble
I love completely avoiding damage because I can't do it otherwise
prisma wind
The dash-power shot rhythm feels real good when you get it down
plush dagger
shield is p good but something inside me breaks whenever I feel like I shouldve blocked something but it didnt
dawn bramble
I should experiment more
me with brimstone
god I hate brimstones I just cry when they spawn
prisma wind
Spend some time just running only Dark Thirst weapons
plush dagger
"This feels like the right angle."
"It hit me anyways. What."
prisma wind
It'll force you to mix things up
unkempt sleet
Quick question though, does anyone just forget cast is a thing until you get a useful powerup for it?
dawn bramble
yes
plush dagger
I avoid it
prisma wind
And don't take god trinkets for the Dark Thirst runs either, so you're not forcing yourself into a single build path
plush dagger
Currently playing 120 heat
torn pond
@plush dagger I remember that in EA of the dead cells I also thought something by this line of thought, of always ending up falling in X point for being more comfortable for me or stronger (miss old ice bow), but I must admit that the balancing of that game was something indescribably perfect. I've never really seen such balanced balance in a game. I hope Hades goes the same way.
plush dagger
I literally die mid cast animation
dawn bramble
Well then --
unkempt sleet
Same
dawn bramble
mom... bosses.....
plush dagger
@torn pond feels pretty balanced indeed! I think my issue is that, even if everything serves a purpose, you'll always go for the one that helps you best, so its not your fault if it gets repetitive
unkempt sleet
Listen I don't care how hot meg looks she can't be your mom
plush dagger
does that make sense?
dawn bramble
b-but I love meg
unkempt sleet
Give her ambrosia or somethinf
unkempt sleet
No Meg is in the bar
dawn bramble
No she is the bar
plush dagger
For some reason I instantly thought of wretched broker(forgot the actual name)
But meg is the table.
dawn bramble
You're so wise
plush dagger
i know it isnt a bar but still
plush dagger
lmao
torn pond
Can I ask you guys to give a note then to the current variety of weapons and encounters/events in the game? from 0 to 5, where 0 is very few and 5 is pleasantly enough, after all roguelike is that, more thigs, better. hahah
velvet lion
why are you asking this?
torn pond
I'm no dev in disguise. haha I like to talk about my opinion and try to understand and see the opinion of others, whether it is similar and goes the same way as mine or not.
olive jungle
You could watch a few let's plays and see what they think too
Or streamers; there are several linked in #self-promotion
velvet lion
it is a bit weird for you to just come in and be like "ok guys give me numerical opinions on everything in the game"
plush dagger
tbf theyve been talking in this channel for a few days
velvet lion
i haven't noticed them
I just see someone with no roles asking out of the blue questions
flint gust
I mean, its quite unlike SGG to be so sly about it - figure theyd just ask directly
prisma wind
It's not really fair to judge a game or rate it on a scale based on current content when the game is clearly far from finished. Do I think the amount of content is satisfying to play with? Yes, but I also realize that more will come and will expand on that content. There's really no use in making these kinds of assessments right now, in my opinion
torn pond
@olive jungle I watched a few weeks ago, it seemed easier even than I play haha myself but I ended up running out of time due to the return to lessons.
plush dagger
I'd say 3.5/5?
Not a 5 because its not completed of course
Theres so much in development that the game will inevitably feel repetitive. But this DOES take a while with current content. So if you dont mind glitches and a few changes here and there, I dont see why you wouldnt like it rn
Of course you can always wait til its finished if you feel like itll get old too soon
tepid orchid
enemy variety quite nice, albiet there are currently only two biomes (3? 4?)
weapon variety is pretty good with the caveat that unlike other roguelites, you only get one weapon per run. they definitely play more differently than, say, dead cells weapons though (again, 3-4?)
boons provide fairly minor gameplay changes mostly - maybe 2-3 on that front, with hammers being more significant
overall, run variety isn't super high but it's quite enjoyable, similar to dead cells in a lot of ways
in my opinion, at least!
plush dagger
In my personal opinion the Early Access is SO refreshing in a sense that the game will always have something new for us in the future, that its worth waiting when it gets a little repetitive
torn pond
I agree with you both!
I found it interesting to remind you that we only have one weapon per run on Hades, do you think that this could be a reason to end up making the game seem a little more "repetitive" since you end up not switching much weapons like in other rogue-likes?
I hope my exaggerated sincerity is not making you uncomfortable. Hahahah
plush dagger
The game will inevitably feel repetitive because of its incomplete state. You get better at the game? Itll feel slower because youre faster now. What was at first a challenge now feels like a chore. But I believe its because of the game's nature since you need to play it again and again and again to beat it, and since they still need to add more stuff, well, the "repetitive" part is closer than it should be
But I'm making it sound like its a 2 hours game lmao
I've been playing for... 2 months or so and I still dont get bored
gameplay-wise theres a lot of variety (abilities, story, rooms, etc).
You'll have to grind for a while (for stats) but its probably on purpose to keep us busy while they work in the next update
dusty elm
The repetitive might be from the long stages
Theres quite a number of chambers to pass through for Meg and hydra
In between theres survive challenges that kinda dragged the time
Inevitably the mini boss fights feels like normal stage as u get better
(but Meg is good fight tho) somehow armored foes are also adding repetitive (u have to do it twice). But because of Boon mechanic there have to be multiple stages between big bosses
Erebus is fun tho (edited, sorry for not noticing spoilers 
)
vale kite
meg with whipped frenzy feels like a whole different fight
despite her just being faster
brazen stone
I definitely hit a wall not long after the first major update where I felt like I'd "been there, done that" - as cool as some of the new content has been
But that's mainly my own doing playing dozens of hours of the first build 
I'm currently waiting on a new floor / major boss to jump back in
But I'd say enemy variety is solid enough so far and the weapons are great
finite zodiac
are ambrosia rewards (save conversations + the trinket from the 1st gift) planned?
velvet lion
The trinket might be the only gameplay affecting reward but we have no idea
gaunt shoal
I think roguelikes are almost the only kind of games that works really well with early access
Because they're made even more replayable from the constant updates
torn pond
Totally agreed.
The roguelike genre is not something that necessarily needs a story or something linear. It's just fun to be there and play.
ofc that a good story make the game better
gaunt shoal
And coincidentally Hades is like the roguelike that goes heaviest on story out of all the ones I played
amber garden
Had two successful runs with the spear today.
Pretty happy with both of them, but man is bouncy spear powerful.
red coral
That’s great! Bouncy spear is a fave
amber garden
it may be "too good" but I havent tried shield this patch so maybe the shield bounces better now too.
Anyway Hades is great. Love it. The "just one more run" loop in Hades is so, so easy to fall into.
finite zodiac
what upgrade is bouncy spear?
cloud jewel
is that the one where your spear hits multiple targets when thrown
amber garden
"Multi Skewer"
pastel timber
that ones alright
smoky arrow
Dangit Bobby
prisma wind
Should probably talk about that in #h1-builds-and-combat or #h1-story-discussion , 'cause it involves story progression
wispy oyster
im sick of skull crushers
played on 500%dmg they stacked together and almost killed me
😡
prisma wind
Sorry to hear about the crushing blows you've been dealt, friend
I don't think it's terribly fair to be angry at them when you're actively punishing yourself with 500% damage, though 
smoky arrow
wispy oyster
calm hinge
is there a place to check when is the major update without launching the game 
prisma wind
March 12th
radiant tangle
@dusty elm report that :.|:; with the in-game bug reporter (f10). Also thank you so much for sharing it with us
dusty elm
@radiant tanglemay I know which matter that is? I didn't shared any bug or glitch here
Or is it the dash trail I posted in #hades-feedback ? I thought it's a feature lol
radiant tangle
I thought you had found a bug and made art, I see now you were just using the dash scars. Nevermind then, but do keep that out of the feedback channel. ||My little dots make loss too||
dusty elm
Thanks a lot for the reminder, I'll be more sensible when giving feedback next time!
ashen sphinx
https://imgur.com/a/QTc1HFj RNG is funny sometimes...
spring cipher
Yep
You have 400 gold so that's decent for you too
Lucky, my double charon was when k had like 75
south galleon
I wonder if there is any biasing in the RNG. It would be pretty cool if it was more likely to have Charon show up when you have more gold.
quaint bluff
am i the only one who feels like the eternal spear is too powerful?
it has range, it hit's multiple targets it has more range it has aoe. it's fast and works extremely well with any god except maybe aphrodites on hit's main attack. the throw and pull back works well with shadow power. it's basically the perfect weapon.
i'm on a 10 or 11 win streak with it and i'm choosing weird god combo's to try to make it fail
marsh jackal
I feel it’s well in line with the rest of the weapons
vital belfry
Try out other weapons, and see if you feel the same way about them. Maybe you're good with spear, but could improve at other weapons.
quaint bluff
I've used the others alot before losing my old save file. it just seems like the spear has them all beat in terms of power and al around usefulness
winter river
Are any of Aphrodite's buffs ever good enough to be worth using her trinket? I've found them to be just ok on every weapon so far, but I wonder if I'm missing something?
dusty elm
If u can get her legendary boon (that turn foes into allies) early on then it might be worth enough compare to other god
Does the charm work on small Hydra heads tho?
digital garnet
I just beat the 2nd/final boss for the first time ;3;
frank veldt
Nice job!
quaint bluff
So i started a new game recently due to getting a new computer and not realizing epic doesn't have cloud saves so i didnt back up my game. are legendary boons locked behind something now or just super rare? i've gotten zeus and artemis to the point where they have nothing to give me but gold but still not been offered a legendary boon.
prisma wind
Legendary boons have always had prerequisites in the form of other boons from that god
But there's still a percent chance for it to show up
I don't think the chance of them appearing has changed at all, though
quaint bluff
I was pretty heavily invest in Zeus using his boon for main attack, cast and dodge. also had the extra bounces i know his boon was causes an additional bolt to spawn if im correct so i should of had pre reqs, wasn't sure if it had to do with me only giving him 1 bottle of wine only.
is there any benefit to giving additional gifts to anyone? like higher chance of better quality boons?
radiant tangle
There is no mechanical benefit past the keepsake, but there are new cutscenes and lore
quaint bluff
Well going to try to get off using the spear only makes game too easy. wasn't crazy about the rail so i guess it's sword time.
acoustic wave
do we know the release date of the next patch?
eternal plinth
it says in game right? its around 2 weeks?
prisma wind
March 12
olive jungle
Welcome!
onyx lintel
so I had a thought, watching the second noclip devlog thingy, about the adamant rail
and stop me if someone's suggested this before
but wouldn't it make sense for zagreus to maybe slide around like a gundam instead of fly, with the big autocannon
he's already got, like... fire feet
I know it's already, like, in there and feature complete but
just a thought
it's probably already balanced around being stick n' move
eternal plinth
The idea was to create the least amount of new animations possible. Sliding around would probably jsut look liek the walk animation bugged right? I dont really know the gundam reference though.
onyx lintel
trying to think of a good touchstone I can find on youtube... maybe like scopedog? with big spark trails
oh, I remember, like when Jehuty slides along the ground in zone of the enders
dawn bramble
That's actually a really cool idea??
onyx lintel
I thought so too, aheh
sour pebble
how many keys are required for the eagle gun
onyx lintel
yeah, it's 8
sour pebble
okay thanks
prisma wind
There seems to be a known bug where it won't display the keys required, I'm guessing that's why you're asking?
smoky arrow
It happened to me as well.
charred yoke
Why do some people have yellow and green colored names?
prisma wind
Go to #bot-commands and type ?ranks
To assign yourself a role, type ?rank <rank name>
charred yoke
Interesting
prisma wind
You should really do it in #bot-commands though :P
brisk trail
please don’t use bot commands outside of the bot commands channel
prisma wind
Not even ?dadjoke 
?
brisk trail
nuh uh!
prisma wind
Tough but fair
charred yoke
What is a bird lawyer?
prisma wind
A solicibirb?
foggy kiln
So, I've been keeping track of some statistics. I only have 13 wins so far, but I'm recording all the boons I used for each of those wins. Some interesting bits:
Every win has had a Daedalus Upgrade
I have used 18 boons from Athena to get 13 wins. Next highest is Dionysus with 14.
I have only used 5 boons from Zeus in winning runs, next lowest is Chaos, and then Ares.
My top 2 weapons are Shield and Spear (4 each)
My lowest weapon is Bow (only 1).
My highest Heat is 40.
What do y'all think? I'm going to keep collecting stats, but how does my experience line up with everyone else's?
fiery pebble
Well you are more or less guaranteed a Daedalus upgrade
foggy kiln
Oh?
fiery pebble
Well, you always will get a room that has one as an option
You can choose to avoid it
But outside of that, youll always get a hammer
hexed smelt
@foggy kiln i find your lack of faith in the bow disturbing ;P
opal pewter
Bow is realy good once you get to "high" heat
spear is amazing too
But railgun / sword feel week
foggy kiln
Maybe I'm just not using it well? I seem to be always-kiting with it. Not being able to fire on the move also seems to make me take a ton of damage vs the bomb guys.
hexed smelt
i mean, it's a ranged weapon
the whole point is to stand back and take aim
vs. inferno-bombers and slam-dancers, you just have to get a feel for their attacks and when to dash away
it also helps to get familiar with the bow's timing, especially considering that the bow's dash attack charges faster than normal
foggy kiln
Wait... the bow HAS a dash attack? I never got that to work!
hexed smelt
it's not really that visible
like i said - the bow dash attack charges faster than the regular one, but it otherwise doesn't look different
fiery pebble
Yup
The only weapon that has a different animation for its dash attack is the sword
hexed smelt
the whole idea of "to attack as quickly as possible, you dash before every bow shot" is also probably why artemis's dash boon got reworked, because it was so broken
hexed smelt
it was originally "when you dash, your next attack within a few seconds is a crit"
opal pewter
So i had a question for ppl who playing with the pact of punishement, with frenzy (when you max it out) is that me or enemy's are doing their animation during the spawn time then instantly attack you?
i love the frenzy mod (even if the name should be more explicit cause it says your foes have xx% more move speed, it does not speak about attack speed
fiery pebble
Well, they dont start their animation before they spawn
But their animation is so fast it seems that way
opal pewter
They start it when they are still white-ish and not targetable
but my eyes are pretty bad :p
fiery pebble
Looks like Styxbot is dead again
dusty elm
@opal pewterI feel you. Not a good idea to camp beside spawn circle when there'll be wretched lout. They just belly slam you without any hint
sullen dagger
Personally I've found the bow to be the best, but I definitely Do Not do the whole careful aiming and precision thing
I've found the best tactic is to use the special at point-blank and then run away very quickly
hexed smelt
twin shot spam 4 lyfe
sullen dagger
Admittedly in one of those runs I got Aphro's cast boon, and +3 casts from Artemis
So I was like a super shotgun warrior that just dumped everything on the biggest target to try and burn it down ASAP
radiant tangle
+100% shots per special, aphrodite cast, artemis special, super shotgun mode
hexed smelt
yeah, when the bot is offline the mods have to step in and do the 👍 👎 ❌ :V
sullen dagger
Does anyone know if Dionysus and Ares cast work with Boiling Blood?
Because obviously the cast doesn't get stuck in the enemy, but does being inside it cause them to take bonus damage?
hexed smelt
so far as i can tell, they don't work with it
tepid orchid
Artemis's dash boon is the strongest it's ever been, I think
Critting was like a 100% damage bonus, and that's the minimum damage of the new Artemis boon (unless it was nerfed at some point and I didn't notice, which is likely)
hexed smelt
critical hits do 300% damage
opal pewter
Yep, so old artemis dash was better 100% crit chance of your next attack
hexed smelt
i mean, it was better, sure, but it was way overpowered
worn gale
but I still think anything besides the bow with the Artemis dash is trash
patent umbra
shield's dash attacking isn't bad
sullen dagger
What does a dash attack even look like with the rail?
velvet lion
You dash and do two rapid fire shots
marsh jackal
I don’t think artemis dash is bad on everything but bow
Spear & shield you can full charge, dash and the damage bonus would apply to the charge (last time I checked)
fiery pebble
Im pretty sure it doesnt
It only enhances dash attacks
That trick is not a dash attack, its an attack that releases when you dash
The old version worked that way, but still only on spear
opal pewter
@velvet lion When i dash i empty my magazine, quicker :p
velvet lion
lol
brisk trail
Is there any way to play sword at all? I find it being the worst weapon as it is really hard in crowds or to fully get a combo.
Also it's special is kinda meh, all other weapon specials are better
The only time I enjoyed it was when I god Daedalus for it being a single hit weapon.
velvet lion
sword is my favorite weapon, not sure why everyone seems to not like it
prisma wind
There's nothing wrong with the sword mechanically, but it doesn't suit a lot of people's play styles from what I've seen. It's not my favourite weapon, I prefer having ranged options. Since you say it is your favourite, Hopop, perhaps you can offer some advice to Wicket?
velvet lion
well a big thing of the sword is timing the swings
do you want the thrust. or do you want only slashes
the sword special is good if you get surronded by enemies
red coral
Sword special is great for numbskull clearouts!
sterile peak
and then a numbskull that you didn't hit damages you
cinder portal
Does anyone know why the Aphrodite Wall Scroll would cost 864? I don't have convenience fee active, so I'm not sure what boosted the price so much.
prisma wind
Sounds like a bug, I would report it in-game with F10
cinder portal
Haha, I figured it out. Convenience Fee seems to be applying cumulatively. I did a 100% Fee run and the price doubled to 1728 and stayed there when I removed the Fee. I put in a bug report, so hopefully it will be fixed soon.
sullen dagger
Is there anywhere we can see some hints as to what the plan is for the game in the future?
Like possible gods/boons, bosses etc.
alpine stratus
Theres a roadmap if u click the "days left" bit on the main menu!
olive jungle
Obviously no details, but broad strokes of what they want to do and when
jagged bough
Are they going to add more dialogue to Dusa? and can i marry her?
alpine stratus
-probably
-ask her nicely and see what she says?
jagged bough
😦
plain mango
Hi, does anyone know if I can play this offline? Going on a flight tmr would love to kill time with this
hexed smelt
i'm pretty sure you can if you launch it directly from hades.exe but i'm not sure as i've never tried it
plain mango
ohh thanks. Guess i'll give it a try now
alpine stratus
i guess if need be you could open it before ur connection goes!
vale kite
yes you can play offline
a week ago i didnt have internet for a day and i still managed to launch the game
limpid goblet
Who took your internet
vale kite
mr internet
limpid goblet
How dare he
limpid goblet
Make it 5g for that it has never been
radiant tangle
Mr E Mail
E me a Mail
limpid goblet
sullen dagger
Show me what secrets
alpine stratus
make the attatchment....a pic of a snail...
sullen dagger
Lie behind the veil
alpine stratus
HDNFJF
limpid goblet
tulip lava
mr hades
send me the boy
radiant tangle
🐌 💌
sullen dagger
brb looking up gods of snails
alpine stratus
oh snod???
limpid goblet
God of snails with the power to go SLOW
sullen dagger
oh my god go and look up snail god on google images these are actually brilliant
limpid goblet
Amazing
tulip lava
take me to snurch
sullen dagger
one of the pictures is just
a bunch of snails
with laptops
having a business meeting
there's even tiny graphs
Am I high? Or dead?
Is this Sneaven?
radiant tangle
Sneaven (snail heaven)
signal spoke
sneven (the seventh number for snails)
tulip lava
bad snails are punished in snell (snail hell)
alpine stratus
snartarus
sullen dagger
The sneven Sneavens up in the sny, the sneven sneas that encircle the snands, and the sneven snircles of snell, deep below in the bowels of snexistence
alpine stratus
SNERBERUS......
sullen dagger
Sneus
alpine stratus
snaos
signal spoke
snaos is when chaos gives you the boon that makes you really slow for a few rooms
alpine stratus
i hate the enemies....snouts.....snitches......and snests...............
limpid goblet
Snydra
alpine stratus
HDJCJCNCNCNVMV SNOTHFUL STRIKE
sullen dagger
Coronacht - the Sneart Sneeker
signal spoke
the adamant snail
radiant tangle
Snaegis
sullen dagger
If there isn't a snail sneaster snegg already in development right now I am going to be very snisappointed
alpine stratus
snegg....
limpid goblet
Your mother was a snail all along
radiant tangle
||Snersephone||
limpid goblet
Lmao
sullen dagger
Why is that hidden
limpid goblet
It is spoiler territory
sullen dagger
Is it forbidden knowledge
alpine stratus
snegg snasavin, lead sniter for snupersniant snames,
limpid goblet
😄
alpine stratus
snaron is just falcon ron
signal spoke
vale kite
sisyphus is a snail but bouldy is the shell
radiant tangle
Slug
sullen dagger
Leave
tulip lava
snelysium
sullen dagger
Get out of here with your disgusting shell-less evils
This is a house of the Snord
tulip lava
snisyphus was punished by the snods (snail gods) for cheating death
radiant tangle
What it was always meant to be
sullen dagger
I don't know but know all I can think of is
tulip lava
he is forced to roll a boulder made of road salt up a hill forever in snartarus
hexed smelt
i'm watching this chat the same way one might watch a car crash, or a train derail
radiant tangle
I'm making some popcorn for this
alpine stratus
snopcorn
vale kite
snell (snail hell)
signal spoke
snellphone
sullen dagger
Tonight we delve deep into the depths of Snarsnarus
tulip lava
snrometheus was punished by the snods for giving the gift of knowledge to snailkind
sullen dagger
Just gimme one snail in the game
Ideally as a supportive friend/pet I can take on my escapes who also instakills any enemy he touches
radiant tangle
I heard my name
limpid goblet
You shall get into the game
radiant tangle
Heck yeah, digitize me
sullen dagger
Be born anew into the matrix
tulip lava
snatrix
limpid goblet
Snailatrix
sullen dagger
You know we're gonna have to do a lot of explaining to the next new person to read through this channel
sullen dagger
'Oh hi! Welcome! Oh you thought this was about Hades? Nooo. No this is snails now.'
sullen dagger
Why would someone just
Throw a snail at me
He doesn't deserve that
I definitely do but don't bring him into this
limpid goblet
Poor snail
lime hinge
bleep snails /Pundora has issues
In different boring foodie news: Astra Lunch for tomorrow: brownies, leftover yakiniku with rice and cabbage, oranges, s'mores poptarts, applesauce, and italian seasoned almonds.
limpid goblet
No kimchi 😦
lime hinge
I'm a pansy and not the biggest fan of pepper.
prisma wind
Petition for Pundora to amend their nickname to Pundora's Lunchbox 🤤
lime hinge
Oh fine. 😛
limpid goblet
😄
lime hinge
I am a grown adult who uses a kid's lunchbox.
prisma wind
You're the best 
limpid goblet
I use a lunchbox that can fit a portion of soup and 2 subs
lime hinge
Dang.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61CnZQvaEWL._SX425_.jpg Yeah, this is what I have.
prisma wind
To bring it sort of back on topic, what would Zagreus pack in his lunchbox?
prisma wind
Or does he just hope to run into Sisyphus each time for that free gyro and fries?
alpine stratus
zag with a skull shaped tin lunchbox awwww
limpid goblet
Is Gyro just like Kebab?
lime hinge
Yeah, use google.
lime hinge
Either way, he might also go for roasted asphodel? 😛
limpid goblet
🤔
prisma wind
Probably a bottle of 
juice, too
limpid goblet
Ooh
limpid goblet
Honey Mead actually
sullen dagger
If he takes Dio's boons he gets the good stuff
prisma wind
Oh dang, that reminds me of a thing that existed... (re: watered wine)
lime hinge
https://www.thespruceeats.com/eating-like-an-ancient-greek-1705715 Hm, interesting.
prisma wind
Excerpt from http://www.drinkingwinewithfriends.com/?p=569
Seawater
The recipe: 1 part wine to 3 parts saltwater
A particular specialty of Greek coastal areas. This recipe reminds me of the day I invented the Paint Drink, a mixture of orange juice, water, and a dollop of salt, which tastes exactly like paint. Don’t try it. It’s disgusting. I’m going to try it again, changing out the OJ with a nice little late harvest Bordeaux white from the Loupiac AOC, since the sweet floral bloom, ripe mango, and over-ripe orange notes are close to what ancient winemakers considered ideal. This would have been a wine for wealthy citizens at a symposium.
Tasting:
This wine has a pretty interesting aroma, actually. The floral and honey notes are nicely balanced by the salty tone, not entirely unlike a Muscadet or a Picpoul de Pinet. Alas, it’s almost undrinkable. The flavor was not entirely unlike falling off a sailboat. I nearly gagged. It did not taste like paint. It tasted like salt. When I tried only putting in a little saltwater and using plain water for the rest, I managed to make something less horrible, but it still speaks ill of the Greeks that people thought of this as a specialty.```https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_cuisine Might be more trustworthy though.
hexed smelt
guys. guys how is this hades related.
prisma wind
We're postulating what Zagreus brings in his lunchbox
lime hinge
Figuring out what Zag-
But in full honesty, I messed up posting.
And posted my usual food thing in the wrong place.
sullen dagger
This discussion is entirely un-snail-related. Not relevant at all
limpid goblet
Even the denizens of the underworld have to eat
Zagreus is now French
He EATS snails
sullen dagger
wow thanks now i hate him
lime hinge
Romans ate them too.