Cause this update is pretty grape
#h1-discussion
tulip lava
sharp void
I see what you did there, laugh it up before you dionysus again on your next run.
tulip lava
Sgg really bottled up the good stuff for us
sharp void
don't drunk with the hilarity of your new puns
livid cargo
Dionysus would probably be really good at basketball because he can drunk the ball real nice
sharp void
great guy to get drinks with after the game too
tulip lava
Don't make him mad or he'll bring the cham-pain
sharp void
meh, I'll take my chances, it's worth a shot.
livid cargo
I wonder if when he streams to Twitch, he uploads his VODkas
errant garden
It always hurts to part-ays with him after receiving a boon.
fiery pebble
Grape puns everyone
alpine stratus
wine
frosty mountain
yall better stop or I'll start wineing
shy totem
is it just me or is the sword special not worth using 
fiery pebble
Couldve gone for Vineing
frosty mountain
blood and darkness
sick tree
Okay, I should probably know this by now but what EXACTLY do the little skulls on door reward bubble things mean?
I don't mean heat, I mean the little white skull that sometimes shows up below the reward on a door
I initially thought it meant: this is a boss room, since Megs room always has one, but that proved to be untrue almost immediately so I thought maybe it just means 'extra chellengimg room' but I've not been able to pin down whether they have more enemies, more armoured enemies, whether they tend to give better rewards or not etc.
It just isn't very clear
frosty mountain
it means the upcoming room is an elite room with harder enemies
livid cargo
Oh man, what will Dionysus use for social media now that Vine is dead?
frosty mountain
they also give extra darkness compared to usual rooms
sick tree
Hmm
livid cargo
it's also an indicator for minibosses
fiery pebble
There is 2 versions
The first is skull directly under a boon
Thats a miniboss-room
rancid crown
Are the massive framedrops on Medusa since the patch a known issue? I pretty much lose every run if it meets Medusa right now, dropping to like 3 fps
fiery pebble
Dancers/chuckers in Tartarus
Megagorgon and Murderboat in Asphodel
The other is a skull to the side
Which is just a harder room
sick tree
Worth it compared to a normal darkness room?
rancid crown
Megagorgon is what i mean with medusa
rancid crown
Yeah having lots of crashes too, but every run of mine loses at medusa due to framdrops, not a crash
livid cargo
huh
rancid crown
i just dash around randomly hoping to somehow kill her, but alas
friend of mine has the same issue
limpid goblet
No
red coral
That belongs in #off-topic-discussion !
karmic zephyr
WEll, after finally playing the update, oh man, if railgun isnt op
My easiest clear ever was with Zeus and the increased fire rate on the railgun
The Hades legendary wasnt even needed
deft ferry
11,42 min my best run 😃
livid cargo
Zag: "Blood and darkness, I left the oven on!"
tulip locust
How does Dusa do anything.
livid cargo
Mind powers
tulip locust
She makes other people do the work, with the threat of turning them to stone.
livid cargo
The thought of that is fairly petrifying
fiery pebble
Well, she has to pick the right people, some wouldnt mind getting stoned
livid cargo
It's a fairly rocky situation
red coral
Hey the new song is a spoiler! Please take this to #h1-story-discussion
sick laurel
my apologies
red flame
Is the game music available on iTunes or not yet :? I wanted to do some covers/remakes for my stream
alpine stratus
The music is available on youtube, bandcamp, and spotify i believe!
red flame
@alpine stratus I guess I have a second question for when someone from SGG is on 😛
alpine stratus
haha do u need itunes specificaly?
red flame
I need the best possible quality 😛 Spotify works but their new loudness reduction also kind of deteriorates some sounds. I find iTunes and Bandcamp WAV files the best
and this has nothing to do with being an audiophile but rather being a composer haha
hmm found it on bandcamp
alpine stratus
ohhh!! wow, interesting
red flame
no purchase links however :/
alpine stratus
awww
red flame
the other reason being
I love what Darren has done with the music
and when I like a song I buy it since I know what it feels like your music to be pirated and not to get what you deserve for creating it ^^
when you get on the other side of people ripping off your stuff you understand that spending 2-3 dollars for a song is worth it
cuz I would love to hear that one in a female vocal 😄 😄 😄
alpine stratus
ahhhhhhh totally! As soon as they alow purchases im 💰
red coral
Yes! Please put spoiler tags when talking about ||hymn to zagreus|| @red flame
livid cargo
I really like colors in the game
red flame
cheers underworld
slow mist
Hello guys, can someone upload somewhere your save file with progress? I reinstalled windows and unfortunely find that, Hades didn't save progress in cloud. Help me please.
sick tree
Just beat the game for...the third time apparently
red coral
Have you looked in Documents/Saved Games/ ? But if this is a computer issue your best bet for help will be in #hades-tech-fixes-old
sick tree
and tried out the new shield upgrade that lets you attack after using the special, which I like conceptually but the animation bugs me: we just pull a second giant shield out of literally nowhere?, what the hell?
slow mist
actually it's not big issue, i can rerun all game again, but it would be nicer to play from bigger progress spot, i don't have so much time for games. Save files gone after windows reinstallation)
crystal mural
Oh man, my game froze during a run right after entering a new chamber in Asphodel and it freezes every time I start the game up again. Savefile = pwned I think
fresh orchidBOT
Thanks for reporting a game freeze! The most common solution to this issue can be found in #hades-tech-fixes-old
red flame
Nooooo I want cerberus boons 😦
crystal mural
That would be sooo sad
fiery pebble
Would like a Dusa fight tho
crystal steeple
When you haven't played in a while and you submit a bug report thinking that two characters models were switched in a conversation 
limpid goblet
daring tartan
i just got this game like a couple of mins ago, was wondering if there was an ending yet?
hexed smelt
no, it's still in development
amber geyser
Maybe if you defeat cerberus he just tags along with you
Instead of going to the well
frozen snow
The Cerberus fight won't have any combat. He just looks mournfully at you and whines so that you feel guilty about leaving him. You can only win by getting a leash and taking him with you.
limpid goblet
limpid goblet
So
How many levels do you think its possible to have in Hades, for it to work lorewise and all that?
vale kite
roadmap says 4 areas
fiery pebble
4 is minimum
I doubt itll go beyond 4, however
Much like I doubt itll go beyond 6 weapons
Still, 5 would work
wanton hare
the rail gun with zeus legendary is broken
limpid goblet
Indeed
But what if Zagreus visits the human realm before Olympos?
It is a mountain after all
wanton hare
How did dionysus know Zag is a demi-god
limpid goblet
Is Nyx a god?
wanton hare
I thought it was said that she was Goddess of night
wanton hare
the game says she night incarnate so i guess thats different?
fiery pebble
She is sort of a goddess
Sort of not
A better way of putting it is that Nyx is a personified primal force
Beyond mere gods
Anyway, given Zags true heritage
He wouldnt be a demi-god
So their assumption that Nyx is his mother must be why they call him one
limpid goblet
Indeed
spark beacon
i didn't know darren korb was orpheus' voice and now i'm even more impressed
wanton hare
Understandable
spark beacon
it's falsetto right? that's crazy
like, every line, vocals for tracks, all of it? absolutely crazy
sick tree
Wow... that was a quick turn around, even if it's a small update, I wasn't expecting it this soon
echo wolf
it sucks a bit that you don't know how much and how many heat gates will appear in a run... what if they will allow you to manually raise heat level during a run, up to the level required, but it will be stay that way till the end of the run?
marsh field
I have started to consistently get to the last boss, but with no heat. I have only killed it like 3 times so far >_> with heat seems hopelessly difficult for me
winter river
Theres a hydra?
echo wolf
but since heat is currently set at the start of the run, it seems pointless to even spawn a gate with level higher than your heat, what if instead gates are always open, but are more likely to spawn the higher your heat is?
limpid goblet
Hmm
winter river
I can barely limp past Meg....
echo wolf
good thing the last boss's name isn't hydra
marsh field
I used like, 40-50 runs to get past Meg Fredgerd c_c this game makes me feel like a casual no-skill gamer :p
limpid goblet
Nuala
winter river
Same
fiery pebble
Its all a matter of pattern recognition
limpid goblet
Heehaa
winter river
Though I honestly am so there ya go
fiery pebble
Meg gets easy once you think about it the right way
limpid goblet
Well yea
fiery pebble
The other boss is uh, more troublesome
limpid goblet
She dash, you dash
winter river
For me the hardest part of meg is the exploding circles she summons
fiery pebble
Those get easier when you have 2 or 3 dashes
marsh field
I just get all the boons that give me splash damage and off I go on Meg. The last boss I struggle with a lot still
fiery pebble
But even with 1 dash, there is always one direction you can dodge in to not get hit
If you have to
echo wolf
new weapon is real good
esp that special
got to the last boss on my first run with t
marsh field
I can't really come to terms with the special honestly, it's so slow
frozen plume
guys if you use the new gun with a boon that lets your attacks deflect, you can spam louts with no damage from their dashes
echo wolf
or stun them with the new diyonisus grenade
wanton hare
just get zeus attack, make it legendary, and the no reload upgrade and youre good
makes trove trials a walk in the park
marsh field
deflect is super nice. I tend to beat the game when I have good deflect boons
frozen plume
yeah
limpid goblet
Artemis legendary with rapid fire gun is neato
marsh field
I have only seen 1 legendary boon so far 😮
winter river
Rapid fire gun?
winter river
For bow?
limpid goblet
New weapon
echo wolf
you can spam the crap out of the diyonisus cast and rail
the cast lands fater and stuns
winter river
signal talon
i've preferred the infinite ammo upgrade for the gun, even though it makes it slower firing
winter river
I need to get on the new patch
winter river
Btw, is sword useable? I get bodied every time I try it.
signal talon
oh cluster upgrade was fun, mix it with a high damage special boon and you just hug an enemy and unleash it
marsh field
sword is great, I get a radius upgrade on the special, and deflect boon, and nothing can touch me
echo wolf
but if you don't get them elite enemies are really hard
signal talon
learn the lesson of piccolo
winter river
Dodge?
signal talon
exactly
burnt pond
DODGE
frozen snow
The sword is quite hard to use. I find that certain hammer upgrades really help, though. The one that makes your attack become a single 80 damage chop is nice, since you don't have to hit enemies with a full combo to deal high damage, and can dodge much more.
fiery pebble
Also "Yknow, yelling dodge is more distracting than it is helpful"
winter river
I seem to only do well with shield
frozen plume
yeah shield is the best for me 2
cloud jewel
if you get the critical thrust hammer upgrade it actually is pretty nice
signal talon
so far the shield is the only thing i've completed a run with, though i'm consistently getting to the last boss at least with most of them.
cloud jewel
or the hammer where you just get rid of your thrust and your swings are faster
marsh field
My first two clears were with sword, relying mostly on the special
winter river
"Are you starting a subroutine 19? It's not that complicated!"
Wait is there a hammer weapon now too?
Or is this the deadelus hamner upgrade
signal talon
no they're referring the hammer of Daedalus upgrade item
winter river
Ok
cloud jewel
yeah mb
cloud jewel
my favs are spear and sword
limpid goblet
Shield probably the best to win runs with
winter river
I was like "how many weapons got added"
limpid goblet
It does everything
signal talon
so far i've beaten meg with everything except spear i think?
winter river
Ya, shield seems op
brisk trail
What's your general playstyle with sword? It's pretty much my worst weapon because of the range
limpid goblet
I swiss and flick
signal talon
smashing them against a wall till they die
echo wolf
my general playstyle with the sword is switching to the bow the moment I can
cloud jewel
mine's dash to strike and then special when you're surrounded
limpid goblet
Dash at them combo them and das away
cloud jewel
special gets rid of smaller enemies easily
signal talon
it helps that most of the weapons have a short stun with most enemies
winter river
I have a hard time dash attacking consistently
marsh field
@brisk trail I use special with range upgrade from hammer and deflect boon from athena
frozen plume
i find that its better to spam click w/ the gun. you can control it better
minor hornet
the arrow for the bow has no fletching and should be wildly inaccurate, is this a bug?
(that is a joke)
signal talon
so far i think my favorite boons are, zeus for cast, ares for special, athena for attack, dynious ambrosia boon, and depending on whether it's melee or ranged either posidon or artemis for dash
cloud jewel
the first time i took the dionysus ambrosia boon i didn't realize it meant your max health goes up and i just went
signal talon
i didn't actually notice it till the second or third time i took the boon xD
i was just like "oh hey free healing for getting ambrosia"
plain musk
Rapid fire+lvl 4 zeus attack boon sure does clear out a room real quick
For the rail gun
frozen plume
i really like the Poseidon knockback for attack and stun for wall slam
cloud jewel
i think sword is best used as a dash to backstab
signal talon
oh and for chaos the "boon" which increases cast or death defiance count, depending on how many i have left of the latter.
signal talon
if i recall right enemies occasionally have a "Pulse" that applies weakness
like posiedon and dineyous
wanton hare
aight thanks
plain musk
I'm pretty sure every god gives their signature thing to the enemies
plain musk
Oh, and athena is invulnerability instead of deflecting
frozen plume
i always am hesitant with the double rooms
ive read enough mythology to be scared of pissing a god off
signal talon
here's the ones i can remember(pardon the spelling)
Athena: makes enemies invulnerable
Ares: makes blade whirlwinds
Posiedon: lets enemies dash
Zeus: lightning strikes the area
Aphrodite: enemies pulse causing weakness
Dyneious: enemies pulse causing poison
can't remember what artemis does
cloud jewel
tbh i love the double rooms
blazing pewter
hahahaha XD if i see a double room i am happy and always go in\
cloud jewel
if i have more than 50% health i'm going in
fiery pebble
Also
frozen plume
i always go in, yeah
fiery pebble
Zeus, Aphrodite, Artemis, Poseidon and Dionysus cause enemies to Teleport
signal talon
eh, it's more a dash imo
signal oyster
just finished the 60 Heat run with double Charon Cost and 600% damage, it's imo the most doable 60 heat run
signal talon
can't recall artemis doing much other then that though
signal oyster
now…120 Heat…
frozen plume
maybe they should replace the skel bomb twins with Tisiphone and Alecto.
signal talon
from what i can tell all of them are applying their dash Boons to enemies instead of you, with exception of Ares and athena who do their cast, and technically damage(retribution?) boon respectively
karmic basalt
yeah that's what i thought was happening too @ night, but honestly i usually can't really tell much of what's going on bc there are so many things on the screen 😂
cloud jewel
nice!
void vigil
@wanton hare please dont mention the current last boss of the game by name in this channel 🙏 could you edit your message?
ty!
sullen nebula
Is it normal that I've seen Dio's boon twice in the first run after the update, and never since?
livid cargo
RNG happens
rotund wolf
that's the sort of rng I'd want tbh
sullen nebula
:c
livid cargo
It's certainly possible
sick tree
sigh
I just read the new 'coming soon'/'development roadmap' thingy SGG added to the main menu
And now I'm even more annoyed about Dionysus' blight wine effect...
Since it says that, at least at present, they only plan on adding one more of the Olympians,
granted: that is just their goal for the end of THIS YEAR, so it's possible they'll add the remaining four Olympians in 2020
But even if they do, I'm still really disappointed that three of the current seven God boon sets just do damage
Yeah, they have a few unique boons that show up once you already have one attached to your attack, special and cast
But, for all intents and purposes, picking between Zeus, Ares or Dionysus' special upgrade is a cosmetic decision, not a strategic one
They have subtly different delivery methods but they don't really promote a variety of distinct play-styles
humble pulsar
All this talk of Dio is making me think of Jojo
rotund wolf
I would say Zeus is a strategic choice
alpine stratus
hfhjfjf maybe after the first 3 letters i completely blank on how to spell it but oopsie, dio as a name is taken,
fiery pebble
I mean of course they do damage
The point of attack upgrades is that they do damage
The utility Zeus and Dionysus provide is interesting enough to be different
sick tree
But they JUST do damage, no creative status effects
fiery pebble
Zeus focuses more on room-clearing (or would if he wasnt busted)
And Dionysus delays your damage for higher damage potential (in theory), creating incentive for a hit and run playstyle
Ares does suck though
humble pulsar
I mean Aphrodite also has the weakness debuff.
Granted there's also a damage buff but each god has a substantial difference to the boons they give.
void vigil
athena has deflect
humble pulsar
Every god boon that affects weapons does increase damage but that's not all they do (and imo they wouldn't be very good choices if they didn't increase my damage, especially cause you need the damage ramp up to kill effectively)
ares aint great tho lol
sick tree
For contrast, I'm looking at the list of the functions() from Transistor, I know it's not a 1 to 1 comparison but it demonstrates the level of variety they are capable of
Of course the boons should add damage, it would kinda mess with the difficulty curve if they didn't
But you'll notice I didn't complain about Athena or Artemis' boons
They do damage too but they do more than that as well
And the things they do have a more profound impact on your tactics and play style then the others
limpid goblet
But arent they gonna keep the game in early access for little over a year
And call it finished
🤔
sick tree
I like Zeus' boons, and Ares' too but having a third God that is so similar to them, without bringing much else to the table, is irritating
limpid goblet
I don't think they're at all similar
But maybe that's just me
Everyone has their own thingie mc wingies
rotund wolf
I already only pick up athena or artemis so it's no biggie to me
foggy kiln
Woooooo! Just got my third victory IN A ROW! (5th all time)
foggy kiln
I even used some HEAT
foggy kiln
HAWT
limpid goblet
then 60 and then 120
limpid goblet
Missed one 😄
I only have 120 heat left
Done literally everything else ._.
26 days for next update
limpid goblet
ah 😄
foggy kiln
And I still need, like 40 keys...
limpid goblet
I don't need keys, but I'm stockpiling them
Must hoard more keys and ambrosia
Almost got 3k darkness for the third mirror upgrade on the new thingy
foggy kiln
So... does giving more Ambrosia out unlock more story/dialogue?
radiant tangle
Ye
radiant tangle
If you look in the codex, everyone has a heart bar with a certain amount of hearts unlocked, but not filled in. Some of those, usually the last one, unlock cutscenes
radiant tangle
You can only gift to each god once per run, and each lobby NPC once per Lobby visit
foggy kiln
... I need SO much more ambrosia...
rotund wolf
I just need to actually remember to give it to people during runs
radiant tangle
God, mood
rotund wolf
just keep accepting boons then going
radiant tangle
I keep forgetting to gift to Dionysus
rotund wolf
hahaha
brisk trail
i do the same thing which is why i just realized... i never gave artemis ANY gift
artemis i am so sorry
foggy kiln
The ambrosia... this is why Orpheus hasn't sung to me yet! Aha!
marsh field
yep, that would be it
frozen plume
when i started playing i forgot to gift to gods, and have charon so high for no reason
rancid crown
I have cerberus sitting at one below max for an eternity now, but the last one is locked and i just do not get any cerberus dialogues
so no progress there
feelsbadman
am i missing something to be able to gift the final ambrosia to cerberus?
(btw are bugfixes only patched on every major patch or are there fixes pushed regulary via the launcher?)
frozen snow
I'm pretty sure you can't max out anyone yet. I think they'll unlock the limits in later patches.
Also, bugs are fixed at other times than major patches. We just got a non-major patch today that fixed several bugs from the most recent monthly patch.
rancid crown
Awesome, thank you
frozen snow
yeah, the Zeus attack boon can be acquired with any weapon, and the rail tends to get extraordinary damage with it.
burnt pond
Nah, plenty of broken builds in the game. That's one of the things that makes it fun!
thin sandal
guys, is it just me or is the sword's thrust more of a demerit than a merit? I'm referring to the fact that it sticks you in the animation and prevents you from dodging or moving as you are stuck going forward, and since it's the strike that deals the most damage, i find myself doing less damage having to cancel the combo while i fight
minor hornet
believe it or not, it used to be worse
frozen snow
According to the patch notes, they reduced thrust recovery time, so they're aware it's an issue. Possibly they'll reduce it more if it's still too slow.
thin sandal
sry, kinda posted cuz i was a bit tilted that it screwed me up in hydra ;-;
frozen snow
No, I definitely agree that dealing damage with the sword feels way more troublesome, in large part because of that.
burnt pond
It's a bit more rough on Hydra since it isn't affected by knockback, but normally the knockback aspect of it should be good enough in other combat situations to make up for it.
frozen snow
I guess one nice thing is that there are a couple of hammer upgrades that guarantee critical hits with the sword, and a 90 base damage thrust feels a lot nicer, even if it's just as slow.
thin sandal
normally I just go with the attack speed one because it removes the thrust
minor hornet
I think it's part of the reason that flurry blade and worldsplitter are the most popular hammer choices
yeah, exactly
thin sandal
kinda wish I artemis's cast also threw faster, as it's only bonus is meh dmg and slightly better tracking. compare'd to AoE cast's, it's rely kinda meh
minor hornet
yeah, that one's kind of a bummer
but it's kind of okay since most of artemis' other boons are super good
thorny crescent
The sword's special is the bee's knees
Especially with Ares mod
Won a few times with that
hexed smelt
sword special with poseidon, more like "let's play 'stay as far away from me as possible please'"
thorny crescent
Anyone know if there is a wiki for all the explanations of the boons?
hexed smelt
thorny crescent
Thank you kind sir ❤
hexed smelt
not a sir but no problem
it is slightly out of date because nobody ever seems to edit it but i'm,, working on it,,
thorny crescent
I will use it and edit any changes 😄
Yeah some of these boons is like "why would I want that?"
Like the one where the shield only hits 1 dude and comes right back at you real fast?
Or the Sword special teleport a little bit one?
minor hornet
@safe totem If your light of ixion drained charges in ineligible rooms that's a bug, that was something that was supposed to be corrected in the major patch, you may want to report it using f10 the next time it happens
thorny crescent
Sword special should pull them in, and then stun them for .2 seconds
minor hornet
Balance - Keepsakes & Items
+ Overflowing Cup (Dionysus): added to the game
+ Chthonic Coin Purse (Hypnos): reworked; gives a fixed money amount
Light of Ixion (Well): no longer loses charges in ineligible chambers
Trove Tracker (Well): no longer loses charges in ineligible chambers
+ Olympian Keepsake effects won't expire before you take their boon
thorny crescent
Wait... I wasn't aware keepsake effects expired at all
hexed smelt
the god keepsakes only guarantee the first god you encounter is them, then it expires and you're just left with the rarity buff
brisk trail
@thorny crescent Good part about the Sudden Sunder one is that u can immediately dash after it, which isn't case for normal special
It's not amazing, but it feels much more safe than the normal blade special
safe totem
@minor hornet Technically I guess the second one didn't ever have the chance to see an eligible room, since it went Well, Pre-Hydra, Hydra, dead. But I definitely didn't get a Gate from the first Light. I'll report it if it happens again.
radiant tangle
StyxBot seems to be broken in the feedback channel again
iron pilot
The bot is offline entirely.
radiant tangle
Ah, I see
signal spoke
ruh roh
foggy kiln
Sword Special with Athena has worked well for me. Lots of projectiles coming toward NOPE.
Recovery time does kind of suck. Could be like half a second faster.
alpine sable
I'm not sure the bot is working
signal spoke
its currently down right now, yes
alpine sable
ok
signal spoke
styxbot has been a bit testy with us lately!
minor hornet
@hexed smelt it was my understanding that the "+Olympian Keepsake effects won't expire before you take their boon" change was such that it will keep rolling that boon until you pick it, as in a situation where one door is your equipped god's boon and you pick the other door
which originally would use up the guaranteed boon, but now no longer does
radiant tangle
That's my understanding as well
minor hornet
cool
I can't recall because 9 times out of 10 I would automatically be picking the boon door anyway so wouldn't know
thorny crescent
I've never tried, but I thought maybe someone here might already know the answer...
Is the amount of encounters up until hydra always the same?
Or can I gain extra rewards essentially by picking specific reward routes? IE: Of two options, one is a miniboss and another is a regular reward encounter, and by skipping the mini-boss I can essentially fit in another encounter before it shows up as a route option for the next time I clear a room?
radiant tangle
I don't think there's a set number of rooms in each zone. Also, if you skip the miniboss enough times you will just skip it completely, and go straight to the murderboat. I don't think you can skip both, but idk
thorny crescent
Anyone tried counting the number of encounters? Any empirical data yet?
It also seemed to me like some runs I have tons of boon rooms and "Can't hold all these boons XD" but othertimes I only get two or three.
I understand theres a degree of RNG but... I dunno. It feels like theres a way to min-max by purposely picking a less fruitful reward encounter and thereby changing the choices or even the number of encounters before meeting meg or hydra
radiant tangle
Oh, really?
spring cipher
Yup
radiant tangle
Sick
thorny crescent
Good to know ❤
red coral
Meg is 16!
spring cipher
ahh damn
radiant tangle
Thought she was a few hundred years old 🤔
steady plume
Minibosses are basically the only realible boon rooms
But boons are random rewards otherwise
thorny crescent
You guys know what happens exactly when you run into a double boon room?
I know picking one god's boon over the other changes the way the enemies in the room fight IE: Angering Ares makes it so that the enemies in the room create blade rifts
Things likes that... but does that change the boon % of being epic or rare
prisma wind
Might be better suited for #h1-builds-and-combat , but no, it doesn't affect the rarity
thorny crescent
Oh is this not the right room to be asking this? ^^; sorry
What do you guys usually discuss in here?
prisma wind
This is supposed to just be general discussion about the game, exclusive of spoilers. #h1-builds-and-combat is more about discussing game mechanics and strategy and can contain gameplay related spoilers. #h1-story-discussion is primarily used to discuss story and lore related topics and conjectures
It's not a big deal, lots of people post in here about gameplay anyway 🙃 As long as it's not spoilery gameplay and isn't taking over the channel, the mods aren't usually too picky
jagged bison
I just got the hardest room in the game. a choice between the hammer and sisyphus
prisma wind
Sorry Sisyphus, but Hammer would win out every time for me 😛
radiant tangle
Depends how low health I am
alpine sable
But Bouldy tho
prisma wind
Hammer beats Rock in this instance (for my preference) 
radiant tangle
Paper = Hammer
Rock = Bouldy
Scissors = ???
prisma wind
Nah, I'm going:
- Paper = Sisyphus
- Rock = Bouldy
- Scissors = The Hill
And then the Hammer just comes in from the sidelines and breaks everything
prisma wind
I would argue that a Hammer upgrade does more for your potential success rate than any of those
radiant tangle
Fair
The 50% heal can be very nice, but probably not better than a Hammer upgrade will be
knotty rose
Hey what do the new gates do that require skulls to open?
radiant tangle
They're the perfect clear rooms. The skulls are a resource that's unlocked once you clear zone 2, and you need to have that much of it equipped to open the gates
knotty rose
Oh right thanks, I do have a few skulls and it's asking to nearly all of them so I might pass that for now
candid veldt
I know that they only have 8 gods planned but here's hoping that the 4 other Olympian Gods are produced as a dlc or expansion pack at some point so we can get all the pantheon (13 if you count Hestia as an Olympian) and some king of mirror/pact thingy that let's you lock or unlock gods for your next run, using keys or darkness and whatnot....
olive jungle
Well...hephaestus is kinda covered by the daedalus hammer, and hestia is mentioned expicitly in the new weapon
maybe they know they can't get to all the gods and are compromising
candid veldt
Also, make boss fights for the other 2 furies and have tartarus end with a random fury fight, just to add to the variety. Maybe even an alternate fight for hyrda as well, a cyclops or centaur or something... I want this game as large as possible... it's been a long time since I got addicted to a game.
flint gust
They did say AT LEAST 8 gods. There IS a possibility of more.
vague oar
ah I wasn't the only one whose game petrified fighting the megagorgon it seems
thematic bug
potent siren
Guys which is your go to weapon? I still haven't been able to pick a favorite, but mostly Aegis shield and Stygian Blade
hexed smelt
spear or bow, but i’m trying to get used to how the gun plays now as well
i like the sword but it’s not my go-to pick
tardy patio
I think the pool in the bedroom should show the same stats as the screen when you defeat hydra 😃
sour dew
yo, i kinda expected to get better upgrades when i fed gods enough vials. i thought that was what the lock meant
but thats definitely not the case right?
olive jungle
Nope, locks are just hearts that are unavailable right now
night turret
I really dont know who manages the Wiki...
But some one made a deadly enemy in Artemis for sure
olive jungle
Various people manage it
Besides, they are siblings
Half-siblings
Zeus is their dad
night turret
I'm just gigling that some one made Artemis a man.
hexed smelt
i fixed it
fiery pebble
They are unlikely to make all gods
I dont even think the design space is there for it
Well, all gods as boons, at any rate
Wouldnt be surprised to see Hephaestus as a special room event like Sisyphus
tardy patio
He's a blacksmith
So it could be a boon replacing the hammer
There's plenty to play around with
fiery pebble
Since you can only get one hammer, that wouldnt work out great
sick tree
I entirely believe they could include all 12 Olympians, but I don't think they will, anymore
It depends how long Hades remains in development
They have stated their goal is to have 8 of the 12 fully implemented by the end of 2019,
they don't have a release date in mind, so development will probably continuee into 2020 for at least a little while
If they decide to aim for a full release in the first half of that year, I imagine the 8 are the only ones we'll get, if they decide to aim for the later half, there should be enough time into implement the remaining 4 gods
I suspect they'll go for the first, but I hope they go for the second
somber pawn
happy valentines day
sick tree
It would bug the hell out of me if they included Artemis but not Apollo, Aphrodite but not Hephaestus etc.
With the arguable exception of the super famous ones, ala Zeus, Poseidon, Athena, Aphrodite, and arguably Ares,
all the Olympians are of roughly equal importance, except for Hestia 😅 a God so unimportant she was literally replaced centuries ago~
so, I'd need a really good narrative justification for including X God, but not Y God, to overlook having 8, not 12
rotund wolf
but the more characters they add, the more voice lines they have to add to everyone to mention them
Is Apollo not like
one of the most important ones?
limpid goblet
They should add the god of sandals
limpid goblet
GUN
night turret
So no messing with her
sick tree
Hearth fire, reportedly
limpid goblet
Ah
rotund wolf
Fire boons would be neat but I'd expect that from apollo
Also he should be super tan wearing shutter shades
sick tree
Apollo is light and music, Hephaestus is fire
tardy patio
I'd like to see Demeter, goddess of harvest and grain
sick tree
Me too
tardy patio
She's also the mother of Persephone, Zag's grandmother
And it be fun to throw sacks of grain at wretches 😄
sick tree
Err...no?
tardy patio
She and her daughter Persephone were the central figures of the Eleusinian Mysteries, a religious tradition that predated the Olympian pantheon, and which may have its roots in the Mycenaean period c. 1400–1200 BC.
sick tree
ooh, I thought you were implying Persephone was Zags grandmother, which makes no sense
tardy patio
I see how you could read it that way, should've been clearer
limpid goblet
Skelly is actually Zags grandpa
brisk trail
Get me my walker, boyo!
hexed smelt
guys, again
discussion of ||persephone|| goes in #h1-story-discussion
if you'e just mentioning her ||and her being zagreus's mother|| in passing in here, then at least use spoiler tags by surrounding the relevant parts with ||
thin sandal
tru dat ^, wonder if ||demeter|| will appear and make that nagging ||grandma ||persona like in percy jackson
sick tree
|| I seriously hope they include Demeter, so that she can tell us more about Persephone and make us more personally invested in the endgame,
It would be kinda disappointing to work so hard to meet a character we know next to nothing about and then for the game to end ||
|| that's why most 'Child meets estranged parent' stories have the two meet really early on but not realise they're related until the end or spend most of the narrative telling us about the parent, only for them to completely defy expectations when we finally meet them (usually by being evil, but I hope they don't go that route) ||
thin sandal
XDDD, label it all as spoiler
might as well put that in feedback as an idea to supergiant, if they haven't thought of it yet @sick tree
sick tree
I think they probably have, I also just posted that message in the spoiler thread since it has occurred to me, it's kinda pointless here
😅
I just really, really want them to include || that character ||
brisk trail
thats a huge block of spoilers
cloud stirrup
Lol: man, who was writing about the community feedback "bubbled" in small community of active discord users voted down by that small comunity XD
iron pilot
Still hoping to see Hephaestus at some point
serene spoke
they should have chanded the daedalus hammer to hepahaestus hammer
iron pilot
I like the idea of the Daedalus Hammer because it opens the possibility of non-god assistance
Perhaps we'll see other artifacts of note later
ivory fractal
I've been thinking the same. The Daedalus Hammer is a great element gameplay-wise, but it's also the one thing in the game that you use without ever interacting with the character it's associated with. Also, while there's a logic to godly boons resetting after each run (the gods' favour being fickle and temporary at best), there is no such in-game explanation for why weapon upgrades aren't permanent. I would've much preferred if we had gotten Hephaestus and his boons had just happened to come in the form of temporary weapon buffs.
radiant tangle
You never meet a centaur, but you still use its heart. And having the Hammer Upgrades on a god would mean you could get them first every single game, even ignoring the fact that it functions differently than any other god
ivory fractal
Centaur hearts are a fixed reward, just as ambrosia bottles. I don't think that's a fair comparison.
radiant tangle
And what about the rest of my argument
ivory fractal
I have personally encountered the Daedalus Hammer as my first upgrade on several runs, so I don't think it would make a huge difference if the player were allowed to force that mechanic. As to the fact that it would be different, well, I'm all for variety.
radiant tangle
In turn, there is a very good reason weapon upgrades aren't permanent. They were never meant to stack with each other, and the permanent upgrades we have are located in the mirror, where they're equally applicable to all weapons. Having the Hammer upgrades be permanent also encourages using one weapon and sticking to it as opposed to broadening your weapon choices.
ivory fractal
You either didn't understand the point I was making or I didn't make it very well. I never said that weapon upgrades not being permanent is a bad idea; I merely said that it's the one aspect of the gameplay for which there isn't a plot-related explanation.
radiant tangle
A 1 in 8 chance to drop a Hammer first is far different than an 8 in 8 chance. It's also balanced around only being usable once per run, so it would need to be completely reworked if it were to be made into a good boon, not to mention there would need to be tier 1, 2, and 3 upgrades along with varying rarity of buffs. As it now stands, the Hammer is a unique item that doesn't need to be attached to a God, because making it a god boon would overly complicate its purpose to the point of removing its original functionality
There isn't a plot related explanation for the god boons being removed either, is there?
ivory fractal
As I said, gods are fickle in their favour, so it stands to reason that their gifts are quick to expire. I actually didn't know that you could only encounter the Hammer once per run, though; that does change things quite a bit. I thought I had simply been unlucky with my chances so far.
radiant tangle
While the gods being fickle may be true, this is not explained in game. To layer onto the God Hammer, it being a boon would require, additionally, cast and dash upgrades, and rarities and pom upgrades thereupon. To keep it unique for each weapon would be to have upwards of 40 distinct effects, all clustered in one item, but to have the casts not be distinct raises another issue: that of half of the God working uniqely and half not. For certain gods this does take place, though the uniqueness of the effects are in expression; the Athena Special is going to function differently depending on which weapon it's on, as is the Zeus special. The Hammer, on the other hand, would be different through the base level, the boon itself. It would also take away one of the most important aspects of the Hammer, that it can stack with other god boons.
And I do apologize for misrepresenting your argument through my misunderstanding of it
ivory fractal
All true. I'm still not too fond of the general randomness of Daedalus's insertion as an absent character, but I see why shfting the mechanic onto Hephaestus would entail too much of a strain on the game's existing structure.
radiant tangle
Thank you for expressing your thoughts, and I would love to meet Daedalus, or at least hear more about him in later expansions
sour dew
yo whats the point of the gun upgrade that gives u seeking bullets
the effect is zero basically
vale kite
rapid fire is more accurate
fair bone
hotfix idea: lover's quarrel
The only boons you get are from Aphrodite and Dusa, Dusa giving you Artemis boons instead of Artemis
just for a day
radiant tangle
Lover's Quarrel: Sisyphus and Bouldy get into an argument and you have to save their relationship
livid cargo
Lover's Quarrel: It gets shoot out of a bow
radiant tangle
That's a Quarry
fair bone
Lover's Quarrel: Dusa replaces the megagorgon and you go on a date with her
radiant tangle
Or a Quiver
radiant tangle
I'd play that in a heartbeat
livid cargo
a short, heavy, square-headed arrow or bolt used in a crossbow or arbalest.
fair bone
Better yet: You have to pick between Meg and Dusa
radiant tangle
So it is
Dusa, every time
Meg and I already had our amicable (or not so amicable) breakup and we've moved on to just friends. Not sure Nyx would be so happy though...
livid cargo
zag goes to college as dlc when
flint gust
Meg >> Dusa
Fight me at 60 heat
fair bone
slams hands on table
let us take Achilles on a date
rotund wolf
Plus Meg and ||Hypnos|| is way too cute
hexed smelt
achilles won't let me take him on a date
livid cargo
never give up hope
rotund wolf
Actually I wonder if there is something I haven't died to yet
fair bone
heartbreak from not being able to take Cerb on a walk, probably
rotund wolf
I should try dying to everything to make sure I've heard all those good Hypnos quips
ruby palm
died in lava yet?
radiant tangle
I got one from a Numbskull the other day bc apparently I'd only actually died to a numbskull once (he has two quotes for most enemies)
rotund wolf
Died in lava so many times
ruby palm
fair
rotund wolf
Maybe not spikes though
ruby palm
ohh yeah thats a good one
livid cargo
you cant
rotund wolf
Aw
ruby palm
is there any conceivable way to die via ||void stone||
hexed smelt
he has a different line than normal if you die in the lava puddle as opposed to the actual lava btw
ruby palm
oh huh
ruby palm
hmrm
ruby palm
i think they can? but idk
vale kite
do you ever just https://i.imgur.com/qQZdSMI.jpg
alpine stratus
mom said its my turn to play the x box
radiant tangle
ASaskjcshrpiu4dakljsasdfa
flint gust
Just meg on the haters
fair bone
i'll krump with ya zaggie
vale kite
meg but she has marge simpson's voice
radiant tangle
Cursed!
alpine stratus
ncjgj just heard ill krump with you, zagreus im megs voice so clearly
radiant tangle
Gimme a minute, I'll put it up in #fan-works
tall gull
What do the Hearts above the characters in the codex mean ?
livid cargo
Affection level
ruby palm
^
livid cargo
i.e. if u gift ambrosia you get a new heart
livid cargo
I believe so, you def get new conversations when you gift
you might also get codex entry
tall gull
thanks
got a new dialouge with orpheus at the lounge really cool I totaly missed that feature until now
ruby palm
it's so satisfying
tall gull
and what does the present icon mean ?
true
I like the story telling approach even tho i would like to get to know a lot more but I guess we will get more dialouge in the future and hopefully longer ones aswell
radiant tangle
The present icon is when you get their keepsake
For every character aside from Hades, I believe, that's the first one you give to them
tall gull
I wonder what you get to know when you get all the dialouge required for more information on lord hades
still 973 left lol
night turret
Well I pretty sure that 973 is not really a thing
livid cargo
It might be
night turret
Mostly because in this patch many codex entries magicaly became "1 more talk"
livid cargo
they said codex requirements were reduced, but yeah
night turret
There is really something big behind Hades character.
fair bone
I'm wondering if it's either meant to be revealed later in the story that hasn't been released yet, or maybe there is already a complete Hades codex entry and they just want to keep it under wraps
minor hornet
at 973 that's what, 40-something runs a day before the next major update?
minor hornet
so then the question becomes who's the first person who's going to be crazy enough to do it
livid cargo
I considered it just to get more dusa talks
limpid goblet
Considered wat
livid cargo
doing the fast death runs
livid cargo
👏
limpid goblet
Im waiting for more ambrosia slots to open up
I've given all the piss bottles to everyone
For now that is 🤔
peak geode
i read the future goals and if i am not mistaken there will be only 1 more Olympian added to the game?
livid cargo
That's what is on the roadmap as of now
brisk trail
at least
livid cargo
that's the "we are definitely going to do this"
peak geode
i guess it said that the plan is to add 1 more, not that there is no chance to add others
its a shame though if only 1 more is added
tall gull
I like Dusa especially the unique dialouges with her
peak geode
since Dionysus isn't even in the original 12 Gods of Olympus
limpid goblet
But if there are too many gods
Chances are you will see some of their boons like every 5 runs or something
tall gull
and I hope more chat sprites and ingame models get finished soon
limpid goblet
Ya know 🤔
livid cargo
They can always do a system where you select X amount of gods at a time
brisk trail
the roadmap mentions olympianS; it says at least 1 by the end of this year
livid cargo
where you'll have up to 8 gods in a pool
brisk trail
so i think more will be added
peak geode
i mean thats not exactly a problem since in every run you combine 2 gods and maybe another for a bonus
it can be implemented on their keepshake
vale kite
opinion: dionysus has strong casey frey energies
peak geode
or even after you encounter one there is more chance to encounter the same god again
higher*
yeah it also says that the year of release would be for developing the end of the story and polishing
not for adding more stuff
2020
whatever i just hope to see Apollo, Hermes and Hephaestus and of course Hera
fair bone
Oh shoot Ed stopped playing
Maybe he got the final Hades text and was like "welp, time for a nap"
tall gull
oh I accedentaly clicked the dialouge for the second gift to neptun away
can I read it somewhere else ^^ ?
fair bone
Neptun?
tall gull
Poseidon*
livid cargo
uh, some mods are
@hexed smelt if you are free, someone has a question about how to edit the hades wiki
fair bone
Nah like
when you go to a god tab, you can scroll down and see the chart of all related characters
well, just the table of characters
Dionysus isn't in there
hexed smelt
fair bone
fair enough
Hades: Aw man look at all these jerks who died, time to make em into fighters to murder my son
tall gull
when does he say that ?
and I see I also have a lot of characters with 1 more talk for more information maybe thats a bug
hexed smelt
it's not a bug
most of the characters had the unlock requirements for their codex segments lowered in the patch, so depending on how many talks you had left it'll have lowered it to 1 more
pale tartan
....when suddenly random 746MB patch starts downloading 
sick tree
Another patch already?
hexed smelt
there you are
vale kite
zeus attack nerf sdfhjsjhg
heavy scaffold
stop nerfing Zeus dash...
spring cipher
Imagine nerfing
hexed smelt
zeus attack and dio cast nerfs ;3;
livid cargo
zeus dash is fine this patch though?
hexed smelt
i'm glad i got my Absolutely Bananas run in first
spring cipher
You evil bean you
pale tartan
Zeus nerf, shotgun nerf, machine gun nerf 
livid cargo
zeus + rail is still gonna be great, though
limpid goblet
Shotgun nerf
night turret
Yeah
limpid goblet
FeelsBad
livid cargo
just less press fire to fin
livid cargo
hey look
night turret
Zeus had it coming to be honest
livid cargo
you can still yeet people with posideon + gun
brisk trail
Maybe this'll make spear better than rail
pale tartan
Zeus + fast rail was OP, but why did shotgun deserve that
livid cargo
no, lol
hexed smelt
i'm more annoyed that a patch dropped literally right as i opened the game, lmao
hexed smelt
:0
livid cargo
yeah some arty buffs would be nice
hexed smelt
actually now that we're out of chaos update and into good times update i need to think of a new pun
limpid goblet
Think of the good times
fiery pebble
Honestly
I dont think Zeus should be nerfed
As much as we need to figure out how to balance % vs flat damage boons
Because gun is only good with flat, while bow is only good with %
fiery pebble
Gunbow
spice thunder
I'm surprised there's still not a steam page set up for Hades so people can add it to their wishlist
vocal crescent
shotty was pretty nutty, with any attack buff
fiery pebble
Gun with crit is still worse than Zeus
hexed smelt
moth, spoiler
limpid goblet
I think I have figured out the easiest 120 heat
fiery pebble
And you only crit 1 in 5 shots
livid cargo
artemis legendary thou
limpid goblet
Ye but when you go full Artemis YOU HUNT
fiery pebble
But yeah
vocal crescent
is it a glitch that I used the arty item but got the hammer in the first room?
limpid goblet
No
fiery pebble
I think there needs to be a way to balance flat vs %
I just dont know what that way is
limpid goblet
You either get hammer or boon
vocal crescent
but the item is supposed to guarantee their boon? unless hammer procs?
livid cargo
i kinda wanna do an artemis sword build today
fiery pebble
It guarantees that the first boon you get is an Artemis boon
livid cargo
bc of the hammer buff that gives guaranteed crit
fiery pebble
It does not guarantee that you get a boon in the first room
vocal crescent
makes sense
limpid goblet
Artemis World Splitter
livid cargo
no, artemis thrust
fiery pebble
Artemis Worldsplitter is kind of ... eh?
hexed smelt
just got lightning strike at rare, it's 7 damage
fiery pebble
Yikes
vocal crescent
LOL
radiant tangle
Wow they really nerfed it into the ground huh
livid cargo
i mean like
limpid goblet
livid cargo
i'd probably still take that on gun
radiant tangle
Go Crit Spear for the spin
hexed smelt
i only took it because i'm trying 60 heat and zeus attack is the easiest way to clear death insures
livid cargo
also zeus still has a great legendary thou
limpid goblet
I did 60 heat with ares shield run
radiant tangle
Nerfed by how much? I assume 60 > 45
fiery pebble
Thats the one part Im not very happy about so far
hexed smelt
i'm a little preoccupied actually playing the game, max
fiery pebble
SGG tends to overnerf quite hard
sick tree
Okay, 7 damage is pitiful but how much was it before?
livid cargo
like, 15-20 as a common?
sick tree
yeash...
livid cargo
yeah
the rarity scaling on Vintage is nice, though
i think that's a good nerf to the boon that doesn't make it worthless
limpid goblet
I think a round 10
Would be perfect
But if rare is 7
Whats the normal one and epic 🤔
radiant tangle
Normal is (most likely) 5, epic is probably 10
limpid goblet
Hmm
radiant surge
The legendary of Zeus is still 40 making it like hela awesome with the railgun
barren galleon
Is there a chance of spawning double mega gorgon? XD
limpid goblet
nope
You mean heat
By skulls right ?
120 is not max heat
180 I think
Not sure
limpid goblet
ah
foggy kiln
So in the last patch notes it said there were now Rare and Epic Pom options (I assume like with Rare/Epic Boon options?)... I've done five or six runs now and haven't ever seen these. Do they exist? How do you get them?
hexed smelt
do the heat gates
foggy kiln
They only appear in Heat Gates?
hexed smelt
correct
foggy kiln
Both of the gates I've done have been Hearts.
hexed smelt
i did a gate earlier and it was a pom. they're random.
foggy kiln
Okay... do the gates give anything besides Hearts and Poms?
Those are the only ones I've seen.
karmic basalt
i think i saw one w money and one w heat...? i might be remembering wrong tho, i wasn't paying attention bc i couldn't open them anyways
foggy kiln
It would be kind of neat if you could get Boons in the Gates... maybe boosted so always epic or legendary or something.
frozen snow
I think you can.
hexed smelt
"always legendary" wouldn't work, they need prerequisites in order to appear and actually be useful
frozen snow
You can definitely get coins in the gates.
foggy kiln
Okay, okay... always epic OR Legendary if you fulfill requirements.
You get the idea.
radiant tangle
"Epic or higher" is a good way to phrase that
tepid orchid
I've seen boons in the challenge gates
limpid goblet
What
Oh sorry
Angery got me
So uh
The game went all black
and started flickering when I was in asphodel with 120 heat
Can't get it back to normal and lost...
This kinda uh. Makes me angry
I am now tilted
That was the run :/
limpid goblet
It has never happened before though.
First time in this patch 🤔
Maybe it was cause of too much of things going on, Hades seems to struggle when there are too many things going on at once.
limpid goblet
Rail
Zeus cast, and Dionysos on aa and special
And the homing upgrade on hammer
Oh yeah, also dionysos on dash
Oh well, Now that i've figured out what feels ok on 120 heat I shall attempt it later again
If it does the flickering of the blackness again I will smash my pc against the wall
fair bone
Could be the rail, it's been lagging runs for me
limpid goblet
Oh 🤔
I just think it's safe for heat runs though
The bow kinda sucks Imo
Time to shield or spear I guess
heavy zodiac
Are all infernal gates perfect clear?
vale kite
yes
foggy kiln
Wonder if future patches will add different types of Infernal Gates. 🤔
ruby palm
oooohh what about a timed clear thing
ruby palm
hey does anyone know where to get high-quality rips of the character art?
hexed smelt
that depends. if it's anyone prior to the good times update, it's on the wiki.
if it's dionysus you're looking for, you're out of luck.
hexed smelt
.....from the game?
the tool used to extract them doesn't work as of the good times update, hence why there's no rip of dionysus
noble kayak
@chilly stump Can we get an announcement like 15min before that QnA happens? thanks
chilly stump
We make a second announcement shortly before starting out Q&As. 👍
sick tree
@chilly stump - Will we be allowed to ask spoilery questions?, i.e. ones about the narrative rather than the mechanics
I missed the last Q&A thingy so I'm not 100% clear on how careful I'd need to be about mentioning || Persephone, for instance ||
chilly stump
We don't currently have a hard and fast rule on spoilers in the Q&As, but I think it'd be best to use spoiler tags if you're mentioning things a brand new player might not be familiar with.
Though I will say, if it's about spoilery things it may not be answered! Wouldn't want to spoil anything further potentially.
sick tree
Hmm, okay, thank ye @chilly stump
eager rover
You guys and gals are all wonderful people
sick tree
Err... thanks...? - oooh~ you mean the SGG crew! - yeah, they are~ 😄
fair bone
@chilly stump how long will the Q&A last? I'm in Mountain time, and while I can wake up at 8 for it I would be rather tired
chilly stump
We usually go about an hour. In the past we've taken questions for the first ~10 minutes and then spent the rest of the time answering as many of them as we can. We've been lucky enough to get pretty flooded with questions at our past ones!
fair bone
Sounds good. Thanks!!
minor hornet
I think 10 AM Pacific should be 11 AM Mountain time
fair bone
OH
I mixed up Pacific and EST lol
I'm so used to EST being used as the standard
radiant lantern
anyone finished a run with +100% enemy HP?
I just tried it for one run, almost finishing it but it took over an hour
for 10% darkness
maybe 50% more enemy contribute to the clear time
and only have 500 darkness really doesn't help me
burnt pond
People have at the very least finished the 150 Heat runs. Not sure if they have finished the run with the new Heat modifiers implemented, but yes it can be done. It is indeed basically figuring out a way to cheese the enemies, and becomes a bit of a tedious run. If you want the bonus darkness I would suggest just doing a bit in each category.
radiant lantern
yea, bonus health feels like the most unrewarding modifier
frozen snow
I tend to like putting heat into making the enemies deal more damage. You can stack up to 50 heat there for the bonus darkness, and runs tend to go faster one way or the other..
radiant lantern
tbh, dying early or rather after Meg is not much of a problem since you get most of your darkness from act 1 anyways
act 2 for me is killing Hydra for Heat
rather than anything
farming act 1 for darkness and then trading to keys/gifts/heat is more favorable like that
burnt pond
That may be the ideal Darkness farming strat. Pop in some Heat, snag the Poseidon keepsake (to try and get Ocean's Bounty) and then once you get to Hydra, you just die.
grand crystal
im big mad about yesterday
i was doing a 120 heat run with rail and i died at hydra 7 head
limpid goblet
I was also doing a 120 heat run with rail