#h1-discussion
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i guess it has like a hydra enterence
but what if the hydra's not actually dying when you kill it
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you just kinda like
it just retreats...
If you do canon, no, because it's immortal and ended up with its one immortal head under a rock.
beat it up enough that it has to hide until it grows its heads back
oh i was thinking it faints like a pokemon or smth
zag: (unleashes raw power at the hydra)
hydra: ow!! im going home
zag: i killed it
In which case the Hydra should wave us goodbye when retreating
Just imagine the head going back and forth, then slithering away
5 MORE DAYS!
@olive jungle - that makes a fair amount of sense
I mean, we know you can't kill the hydra by chopping off its heads (I always wondered why no one ever just stabbed it instead of chopping the heads off and letting it grow more)
But it probably still hurts like hell when some uppety glorified ape comes charging into your lair and starts lopping bits of you off like an over zealous gardener
So you'd probably just say "stuff it, I'm outta here" sooner or later
But anyway, I was wondering what you lots favourite character is so far~
You lots-es?
I refuse to use "you guys's", that is a linguistic abomination!!
If you wanted it to be the plural possessive then it would be written as guys'
you guystve
y'all's
y'g's
ygs
YUGGS
YUGGS

I honestly missed the question at the end ๐
dorks'
AND SAME LEME SCROLL
What's your favourite character in the game so far?
I have a hard time picking favourites in anything, to be honest
But Artemis and Meg are up there for me
oh faves!!! zag chaos sisy ares meg top five
Oh yes, and Chaos
Favourite pair then?
sisyzag ๐ and patrochilles!!!
achilles + skelly 
I suppose as a ghost, though, I'm obliged to say that the shades are my favourite 
wait are you a ghost nowadays?
I've always been a ghost
Duly noted
Unfortunately SG did not include a Ghost rank for me to enroll in
could always put a ๐ป in your name!
I could do that, you are correct. I've never been one to manipulate my handle across platforms though... Twitter is the only place where my display name differs, and there it is "A Ghost!"
you dont have to change youre main name! Nickname changes per server are a thing
I know, that's what I meant ๐
@alpine stratus - #FindPatroclus man... #FindPatroclus
(gazes meaningfully into the middle distance)
reach in to your local future and you may find a sprite of patroclus
this hasn't changed my answer of Bouldy + Sisyphus
Wait, aren't we meant to avoid talking about stuff in the game files?
Damn it Cham Chaos!!, you're literally one of the moderators!
Quick!, someone get @olive jungle to set the rules straight!
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Explain yourself @alpine stratus


they have hidden
Huh?
Kam is offline at the moment
I'm sure they had other business to attend to ๐
We can't all be ghosts who haunt Discord, after all 
Joking aside, I should probably shut up and shove off now before I legitimately annoy everyone to death with my sleep deprived ramblings
Sleep is important
Enjoy yours!
Yay, I get to spend over a third of my time on earth doing almost literally nothing...
I bloody hate sleep...
my internet went out also i dont use he/him
yes pleas!
oh ok scrolling up....... i was joking abt reaching into future
I figured
ok good ! youd asked to explain myself so
But it kinda looked like you just misspelled "local files"
no no, i meant time travel
So I joked about it
But... If I could time travel, why would I only look for one sprite instead of just looking at the full game?
๐๐
Need ZZZs now... Bye
๐ด ๐ค
We still talking about faves?
No reason to stop on anyone else's account 
Mine's Sisyphus (duh)
Of the gods I like Artemis the most bc her design is absolutely amazing
i love sisyphus because he's just so unrelentingly positive, it brightens my day when i'm having a difficult run
i also have a lot of love in my heart for achilles and meg
god-wise i'm gonna have to agree, i really like artemis, and also chaos
Y'all tends to be useful for a group as well. That or Distinguished Guests if you gotta be fancy.
yeah exactly, y'all is very multipurpose and reasonable
gamers,
friends, gamers, countrymen
jkgjkgvjkgvkjgjk
Yo, knuckleheads.
I like to use friends precious channel and fronds
Hey you nerds
"gathered friends"
RRREADERS,
oh thats a good one
"friends, enemies, and others"
Meme-loving [censored]
meme-loving friends,
meme loving proxybot
One from a musical was "Ladies, gentlemen, and those who have yet to make up their minds"
humans and gamers of the jury,
this is off topic now i think ๐
wait this is a hades channel .
wretches of the underworld,
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE
wretches!
I HOPE THAT WHEN U GET KILLED IN A TIMED ROOM THE WRETCH THAT DOES IT GETS SOMETHIN NICE HJFJFJFHJ
reprieve from eternal torment for like two hours
zag, going back immediately: w....whered you get ice cream in here
wretch: your dad
zag: WHAT
Do you think every time
comes back he feels the urge to retch?
no
kjgjgjkgjk
ok like are the wretches even being actively tormented at this point cause i feel like theyre just chillin
they're just wanderin'
hades was like "torture is canceled just hang around and murder my son"
||Secret of the Underworld: All the Ambrosia you find is just dropped and/or discarded bottles leftover from the Wretched Parties that they hold when Zag isn't around||
That's why they're so angry at Zag when he enters the rooms
They're just trying to chill but Zag comes bustin' in with his undeath and destruction, smashing pots and breaking pillars
"go away dude were trying to party"
"so how's your shade grandk--"
"BLOOD AND DARKNESS"
" oh, you know... "
"NUMBSKULLS!"
"a few days away from--"
"STAND ASIDE OR SUFFER"
"thats it, get him outta here"
Suggestion: If you earn boons from Broseidon (Water), Ares (Fire-ish), Zeus (Wind-ish), Athena (let's just pretend it's somewhat earth related), and Aphrodite (Love), Zag transforms into Captain Planet
yes please
What a perfect Easter egg idea @brisk trail
anyway no sisyphus definitely destroys the laptop entirely
bouldy rolls over it
^
what's that one twitch emote people always spam whenever something surprising happens
"sorry evryone had a small malfunction with my machinery! it was smashed into a thousand tiny pieces."
that dude's face
that dude's face that's like ๐ฎ
this guy?
no
i dont know why i have these emojis what server is this even from
hold on i got it
ive seen this one around?

YEAH
THIS ONE
THAT GUY
zag: hi sisyphus! what you got there mate?
chat:

sisyphus: oh it's nothing it's- oh no bouldy got free somehow !
bouldy: (rolls rapidly towards the laptop)
chat:



ideal sisyphus route scenario
romance thru discovering your crush streams his eternal suffering
HFJDJFJFJF
the wifi in tartarus is awful though, that's the real problem
charon owns the local isp company
oh, woof, you know he gouges those prices
charon....is the comcast of the underworld.
Sisyphus: Pushing this Boulder gets very tiring. You know what isn't tiring? Blue Apron. Blue Apron is-
yeah but it's not everyday you get a glimpse of what happens in hell so people pay big to watch sisyphus' content
oh very true, very true.
gkjgdf sisyphus rolling in conflicted advertiser money
on the one hand he gets so many views
on the other, hell is kinda a bad look for business
Where do you think he gets all that pocket cash he gives to Zag
twitch ppl be like (do a lot of sins so i can get into hell and meet my fave streamer)
AAAAAAAAAAAAA "HI MOM"
OMG Sisyphus is a sugar daddy

SQJDHJF sisyphus hosts a show where you can talk to your dead relatives
nooooo hfhfhfhhes just generous
JUMBOTRONS
YES
he can only host it in the intervals when zag's beaten meg and sent her back to the house though
I GOT A MESSAGE FOR THIS SHADES BROTHER ITS "HAHA KNEW YOUD BE IN HELL"
otherwise it would get her attention
Meg sends a Jumbotron and it's just "I know what you're doing I found your stream but also I'm really bored so keep doing it"
Having lost my save, I managed to beat meg on the second run, and hydra on the sixth
For anyone wondering, Meg stands at the end of the corridor next to your room if the cantina isnt built yet
I ship her and Zag too much
Rt
The ship has to sail
But at the same time it feels like im betraying dusa
All the characters are too lovable

^^
The second episode of our series on the development of @SupergiantGames's Hades will be live later this month. Though you won't be able to tell from our interview with @amirsrao... https://t.co/P3jiuflkvg
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ive been rewatching this like 10 times jfkgmvnb
according to discord amir has been playing hades since 4 am i think the same sweater is down on his priority list rn
oof
amir has become trapped in the game
it's like tron but instead of light cycles you fall into a pool of blood
we have to go in spy kids 3 style amd pull him out
oh new episode?
no just preview
o
PLEASE watch it
yes
I'm starting to seriously resent the fact your weapon becomes invisible if you spend a certain amount of time just running or dash,
I can't think much reason for it since there is a running animation with the weapon as well, except maybe to make the dash animation a little easier to read but I don't think that should be a priority
All it does is mess with my head when I'm using the shield or spear special and dashing around, waiting for it to come back, only to realise it already had, I just couldn't see it
I also wish the game was a little clearer about how far away an enemy has to be to count as a "distant foe" when using the Distant Memory, Disyphus' keepsake
disyphus is sisyphus's cousin
Oops, Sisyphus', sorry
Anyway, and me thinks the designer behind the || Hydra || boss fight has finished playing Okami recently~ 
Y'all hear about the new God they're adding, Sionysus?
distant memory is orpheus's keepsake right
Yeah
yup
Sisyphus gives the Broken Shackle
Opps, my mistake, the point still stands though
Shattered Shackle
Oh, definitely. The Spear and Bow also get Daedalus upgrades that depend on Far Away enemies, which would be helpful to see exactly
Javelin Throw and Sniper Shot respectively
It's not impossible to figure it out by just lobbing things at Skelly in the courtyard,
I just wish it was a little more clearly defined
The spear and bow ones, by nature of being upgrades, must be tested in run, so having a clear indicator of 'Far' would be extremely helpful
with the spear "far" is like the very tip of the regular attack
like two zags long
yes. we are now using zag as a unit of measurement
And btw, why the hell does Achiles' keepsake (Myrmison Bracer) increase the amount of damage you take from the back?!
I mean, I assume it's a reference to his legendary weakness (or optionally: the Sontarans from Dr Who ๐ )
But not even Chaos' keepsake has a downside and that's kinda his whole deal!
it's a reference
tho i think it's fair
a pure resistance buff would be a tad overpowered i guess?
I would object to calling Chaos's whole deal being "downsides". They simply like to offer you fun choices.
What exactly is Achiles trying to tell us by giving us a gift that makes us more vulnerable to getting stabbed in the back?

watch your back
The spear thing isn't just the extra length attack (though that also counts) it's the Javel Throw upgrade which makes your special deal more damage the farther it goes. Side note, this only works when thrown: on return enemies far from you (and close to where it landed) don't take bonus damage and neither do enemies close to you (far from where it landed)
*Javelin
Does the vulnerability to backstab at least go down if you rank up the keepsake or does the ratio remain the same?
I mean, "watch your back" is informed advice, coming from Achilles. There's a reason he tends to stay with his against a wall.
The vulnerability remains the same as the resistance goes up
Also yeah it's 100% an Achilles' heel joke
A good one, at that
I am typically always in favour of a sweet literary reference
But I'm still not using the Myrmidon Bracer

Fair
(narrows eyes at Achiles)
i use it because i don't get hit in the back
i mean i wouldn't purposely take it over, say, god keepsake or skull earring
I've come to the conclusion that Bouldy is the real protagonist
zags constant failure is actually a metaphpr for bouldy's despair over never being able to leave
Soooo Hades is so depressing even a rock was made aware of concept of torture? Wow...
Bouldy is definitely the true protagonist
All of us thinking it's been Zag have only been playing ourselves
Bouldy is the hero we need, crave, deserve.
The rest of the story is just a metaphor for Bouldyโs journey. Like you keep returning to hell, Bouldy just keeps rolling down that hill.....
Sisyphus, for his hubris, was tasked with rescuing a single soul from hell. Try as he might, however, the soul would get harder and harder to save. Over time as Sisyphus fell deeper into madness, he stopped viewing it as a person; he couldn't bear to think of himself as having failed one man so many times. Nevertheless, he keeps pushing Bouldy up the hill, only hoping that one day he might finally reach the top, freeing the both of them.
Sisyphus does call the boulder Bouldy in game
Going straight from 35 heat to 0 makes the game feel incredibly easy ^^'
nvm it's on imdb, found it
I'm still stuck on beating 60 heat and I have 54 extra that I'm just holding on to
What's the collective noun for hunters?
Are they a troop?, a hunting troop?
party
That's the word!
just boulders?
congregation of boulders
this is getting out of hand
Just like Bouldy gets out of Sisyphus' hands at the top of hill, am I right?
Oof.
wanted to make a joke like that
but I said I wouldn't since it's too cringy
I guess I've been crused
does talking about mythology count as spoilers for hades?
technically yes
that depends on which part of mythology you're talking about.
like why sisyphus was punished for example
Hot take: Sisyphus stands on top of Bouldy and runs his legs like a log racer riding him down
Concept: bouldy on wheels
For what purpose
Mythology is public knowledge and so can't really count as spoilers
If the mythology in question has been shown as a major plot point or spoiler, like (actual spoiler here) ||Persephone being Zag's mom instead of Nyx||, it's probably better to keep that discussion in spoilers
Other than that though, go nuts
I vote that we set the collective noun for boulders as Bouldies
Spoiler tags in Discord are done using double pipe on both ends of the comment you want ||spoilered||
Written as ||spoilered||
I want to be able to give bouldy ambrosia and get a keepsake
donโt know if this qualifies as a spoiler (i donโt think so) but my pipe dream for hades is they bring back sunkrish bala to voice someone
i would give supergiant my beating heart for this to happen
Who else can't wait for the next update?? ๐
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I find my self grinding all sorts of the "currency" in the game just in case I need it for the next release haha...
I started doing that but then I traded it all for Darkness cause I found a bug (Heat multipliers and Dark Thirst apply to the Wretched Broker)
It's how you get to negative Darkness (the multipliers stack when selling Darkness too)
Hmmm, interesting
Did you report that bug?
Twice (once for each direction)
that's hilarious
the broker gives you such a bad deal he literally starts robbing you
Aajskdfovohltks yeah
A Dash Attack is an attack performed directly after a dash
Each weapon has a modification to their normal attack that happens directly after dashing
oh so kinda crummy with the bow?
For example, bow charges faster after dashing
No, Hunter Dash is exceptional with the bow
oh neat
Easily the best choice for weapon to use with Hunter Dash
Because you should always be dash-attacking with the bow anyway for the faster charge time
Im honestly kinda baffled that SG didnt hotfix the hunters dash glitch
It's soo debilitating
Every time I get an epic hunters dash with that bow, I just get pissed off
whats the spear dash attack
I've never been entirely sure, to be honest. I think it's just slightly faster than the regular thrust?
In my opinion, Bow and Shield are the only two where Hunter Dash is really worthwhile, barring some very niche builds with sword
and whats the shield do>?
It does a much quicker attack, which you can easily (and should!) turn into a double attack by hitting attack twice. Works out to 2 attacks in about the same time that 1 attack would normally take
Has anyone ever had this error: LS-0014 ?
@dusky belfry - I've not heard anyone mention it but you can use Ctrl+f to see if it apears in this thread
Check the #hades-feedback thread as well, although it has been closed to new comments for the time being, since the next major update is only in a few days
12th, specifically, although it didn't actually drop until late in the evening last time (in GMT time anyway)
meg blart hell cop
Canon
... You do realise that you now REALLY DONT WANT to end up in Hades after that?
zagreus finally escapes hades but trips on a stick and dies
i wonder, once he reaches olympus does he have to worry about going back to hades?
I'm trying to change MusicVolume but cannot stop to listen acoustic version of "Lament of Orpheus"
It is wonderful
Don't look back, friend
Are there any plans for a Linux release? I played Transistor on Linux and it is now one of my favorite games.
#hades-faq
Will Hades ever come to Steam or other platforms? We expect to bring Hades to a variety of other platforms once Early Access is complete, including Steam. Thatโs not for a while so we can't make any promises here yet.
Megaera, First of the T-Poses https://i.imgur.com/hBwL9uT.jpg
I didn't realise the update was in 3 days wth thats hype
Wait thats the same day Im getting kh3, thats gonna heck up my spare time
Hades > KH3
I've been waiting 13 years for kh3 so I gotta give it a chance ๐
and there you go telling people you aren't me
no I've been waiting 13 years
(i'm not playing on the 12th tho
)
You can spend the time playing the new hades update instead ๐ dw got u fam
It'd be nice if they did a pc port
Kh3 for ps4 is 1p more than xbox1 on amazon
But also think that your lucky cus hades only came out on pc haha
Not everyone has a PC that can run games as well as a PS4, however
Anyway Ive heard KH3 is so-so, something about the story being convoluted and impenetrable even by KH standards
Gonna be honest, having played all the games Im prepared for the story to be trash
I enjoy the gameplay and the music
same. haven't played all the games even but you can't expect the story to be very good
but there's just too many memories and too much nostalgia to let a mediocre story prevent me from playing
I never played any, so I dont have that nostalgia
also this is extremely hades unrelated so we'd better pack up
that's only fair uno. I wouldn't give a dime if I hadn't played anything in the series yet
Technically Dionysus was supposed to be fairly thin
idk tbh, I just don't think they'll add dionysus at all due to the whole zagreus=dionysus according to orpheus connundrum
otherwise I'd place my bets on dionysus as well I think
Eh, thats a minor aspect of the Myth, and theyre not following myths that closely
I doubt theyll let the fact that there is a version where they are the same get in the way of their own ideas
that's true but idk. anything can happen. I'm sure if it's good gameplay some minor details won't stop them, as you said
Greek mythology being kinda vague works in their favour when adding characters or plot
Yup
I still want it to be hestia tho. I'm curious how they'd design her boons
I mean Chaos wasnt really person in the myths
They were just an entity, a primal aspect of nature
Id imagine Damage over Time
I think they'll add dionysus or hestia and not both
How come?
It depends on whether or not we will see Hera
Well, out of the 6 elder gods whose weapons were using, 3 are currently boons
If Hera gets added, that would indicate a strong possibility that all 6 would grant you boons
I do wonder if they'll add all the gods as boons or even all the gods
Unlikely because Im not sure there is enough design space for it
True, especially with how hard it'd be to fit some god themes to combat
if it's dionysus that's up next what boons do you think he'd have? same for hestia
Dionysus is probably making enemies drunk/confused or something I reckon
oh thatd be super fun
wouldn't cc of any sort be op tho? artemis legendary has cc but it's, you know, legendary
Not side turning
More like making them walk in circles not attacking or something
Effectively a stun
idk
imagine using bow and having enemies walk in circles
like shooting fish in a barrel
playing with auto aim
(it's probably a good idea, I'm sort of regretting turning it off)
I find it much more enjoyable with it off
When you hit some nutty shots and you feel good
But when you miss you feel dumb hahaha
Honestly Im not sure what Dionysus could bring to the table
A glass of wine
|| wine ||
badumtsch
|| jinx ||
Heck you icathios
no u
i dunno what he'd bring but i would love to see what supergiant would come up with
fsjkh icathios i just noticed the icon change
nice!!
3rd one will be uuuuuuh a pickle
I'm struggling so much with 120
also, i think i might not even have enough for it anyway rn lol
ive been playing a bit less in favor of other games... but i kinda wanna put everything else i started aside and just play more hades
what are you running for 120? what pacts?
I've been playing less recently too because of school, but I reckon I'll binge once the update drops
but i know myself, ill just never finish them ever again if i do that hahaha
also please move to #h1-builds-and-combat to discuss strats and all !
i wanna do that as well this weekend but theres a splatfest going on that i cant well miss
what have you been playing alma?
@ruby palm what exactly is a splatfest haha
i'm waiting for the patch to get my playdes hades on
this weekend it's waffles vs pancakes
I never got into splatoon but it looks fun
hadesn't
Playdes lul
ill also continue the misc gaming in off topic
roger
Was going to wait for hades until it came out on Switch....glad it didn't...OMG!
ITs amazing
probably going to double dip when it comes to switch anyway
Heck, I'm probably going to double-dip on PC when it comes to Steam ๐
I would
that's a whole new level of double dipping
zagreus, being totally swarmed with only three health left having just killed a single numbskull: shouldnt've crossed me
is it just me or does ranking up the feather duster barely do anything
It would be overpowered if the percentage got too high, I think it's in a good place
but as it is, it barely makes any difference what rank it's at
aaaaaaaaaa
i killed meg and died at the same time
like,, the "THERE IS NO ESCAPE" and "FURY VANQUISHED" messages were literally overlapping on top of each other
i finally did it
NICE
I assume that "it" is ||killed the Hydra
||?
pfff not even close
Oh wait
finally killed meg for once
I'm doing 60 heat runs and Meg is a challenge again all of a sudden because if she gets one hit on me i just. lose. immediately.
I am pleased that you have #GivenMegABreak
ahahaha
let ๐ her ๐ relax!!! ๐
I tried 60 Heat once... I don't think I even made it to Meg
would it be a good idea to switch to the spiked collar for my first time through asphodel or is there a smarter choice
Depends on your preference, honestly
I don't think the extra HP will save you too much in the end, though
Spiked collar can be a good crutch while you're getting used to the difficulty
^swhat i was thinking
If the difference between success and failure is 25 HP or whatever it is, then... ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
at max rank it's 60
might let you get a stage or two further than you otherwise would
more practice! 
yeah that was my thought process, just making sure it actually checks out
I'd rather personally take a god-keepsake if you're not full up on the one you want, or the keepsake that you don't have yet I'msosorry
oh, what's the one i dont have yet?
im not too worried about mechanical spoilers, just plot ones
||Megaera's keepsake||
but i already know the hydra is a thing so
ohhhh is that who the last cthonic god in the codex is?
I would imagine so, if you have the rest filled out
You won't get the keepsake the first time you get to talk, though, because I think the plot conversation blocks gifting, so you'll have to do it again before you get it (if memory serves)
yeah, i almost always switch to that one for asphodel
i used to use god keepsakes but haven't in a while
Ok, I'm gonna excuse myself back to playing Hades, congrats again on the milestone, qaz!
||The big red skull is just a Heat reward||
||You'll know you're at the Hydra because there will be Hydra statues to either side of the room exit, and it's always a free room beforehand||
Good luck!
meg is 10x harder for me than any previous fight - any tips?
If you want tips, I'd recommend heading over to #h1-builds-and-combat ๐
Hey Everyone!!
It's Ven's birthday today, so why don't we all wish her well, for being a cool moderator and all that?~
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thanks!!
Hippy Barfday ven! You're an amazing member of the community and a delightful moderator
Ditto!
@olive jungle PogChamp

happy birthday! ๐
Thanks!!
I really appreciate the birthday wishes, but also this is the hades discussion channel, so let's try to keep it on topic ^^;
Hey guys, does anyone know if there is a way to gift hades to a friend on the epic games launcher? His birthday is tomorrow and he's a huge roguelike fan
and happy birthday ven :)
Thanks! I'm about to rain on your parade though so don't get too happy haha. The Epic launcher doesn't currently have a method for gifting games. I think people have generally been gifting money to be put towards the game
no problem!
I did not realize that treasure troves that restore health did not show you how much health you'd actually get if you have reduced health gains due to heat
since the trove really tore me up but I still would have profited, this has turned into a reverse "all that for a drop of blood" situation
I also experienced this earlier. felt pretty bad
two days until the Day
New god, maybe a new weapon, hopefully more progress available in NPC storylines via gifting
<@&456908176877551658> sorry to ask this, Im not really sure if its the right ping, but given the spoiler option now integrated into discord, spoilers for the game are still going to be regulated to the #h1-story-discussion channel right? I was just wondering is all, and sorry for the bother!
yep!
oh shoot i forgot there was a spoilers channel whoops
Is everyone gonna undo all their heat for the major update to try stuff out or play through with heat anyways?
Mood
I prefer playing without most heat mods. I will take things like extra damage but Tenebrous Veil is kind of unfun in my opinion when I am just trying to clown around with different builds. So I will definitely be disabling at least that for the update, for the new God.
I basically only leave on reduced healing and extra enemy damage, to avoid being an exercise in tedium.
Once I got to 35 heat, the game just stopped being fun for me. A run took like 30 minutes to complete, because every chamber was a slog with tons of super bulky enemies and usually I had relatively little damage output.
If I didn't start off with an Epic attack boon, I was basically guaranteed a bad time
I mean it depends how you allocate the heat
35 heat all in enemy damage is very fun
Hmm I'll try that. I was distributing it more or less evenly throughout everything except the Darkness cap, which I was too scared to enable.
darkness I think is deceptively ok
Just beware that 35 heat means most things oneshot you
I think you'll be fine if you lower your darkness
Its fun because it doesnt slow the game down while forcing you to play better
But it might be a brick wall to start with
Fantastic Parents: Hestia, Artemis (I acknowledge that she never would have children but she would make a great parent)
Good Parents: Apollo, Persephone, Athena, surpisingly Poseidon
Eh Parents (heart's in the right place but they're just not cut out for it): Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Demeter
Bad Parents: Hera, Hades, Ares
Somehow literally a worse father than Hades: Zeus
i disagree on apollo and poseidon
actually same, I'd knock apollo a notch
apollo will avenge you if you die, but while you're alive he doesn't care so much
Poseidon doesn't have many children but is very loyal to the ones he has (Polyphemus comes to mind)
I will knock Apollo down tho
ares has adorable murder minion sons who follow him around in war
That doesn't mean he treats them well
Apollo seems to be more eh, yeah
And Ares is a horrible influence
He is definitely a bad parent
He's knife dad
somebody has to be the god of misery and suffering
Dionysus is probably eh too
yeah he's too busy partying
Thats less it
dionysus would be very irresponsible, but he'd be a bro
I think he just wouldnt really interfere much
Yeah, that basically
He would be the kind of parent you want to have as a child
But also the kind youre glad you didnt when youre older
Now the interesting part
How does the list change if we rank them as uncles
And aunts
It changes like so: someone else do that
no need: best uncle: poseidon
and then the bad ones
aphrodite goes down bc she's too interested in meddling with your private romantic life
zeus goes up because he'll give you random powers
He also goes down because youre fair game if youre not his kid
Dionysus would not be a good parent. My reasoning: I do not want to make the God of Alcohol a good parent
zeus is also the god of hospitality
Because he is that cool uncle who can show you cool tech
he'd buy you an xbox or whatever if you ask nicely
Hephaestus: I made you a toaster that can run Doom
hera: depends on if she's your aunt by way of zeus being your father
Oh yeah
if so she's at the bottom
hera'd be terrible either way I feel
Nah, Hephaestus makes you a toaster that runs Skyrim
Oh my gosh
And then Skyrim can run doom inside of itself
I just completed 35 heat all in enemy damage, and my heart is trying to pulse itself out of my chest rn hehe
Nice!
That was the most fun I had in Hades in a long time
It's especially fun bc it works as well as you'd hope with reflect
I got an early Epic Athena attack boon, so I got to benefit from reflect almost all throughout
what weapon?
That's fantastic!
Bow
gz btw!
Another convert to the "whoops all oneshots" heat build
well you're in luck! the day after tomorrow we're expecting another update
hype!
nice
is anyone else thinking the next god might be gaia?
They probably wouldn't introduce two promordial forces in a row
having just added chaos I feel like it would make sense and it kinda fits the silhouette IMO
ah I guess, I was of the mind that having added one they might be adding another while they were thinking along those lines
Eventually, probably (hopefully) but not so recently after Chaos
fair
give new stage
Yeah, I was ready for a new stage last major update, super hoping for one this time
Hydra getting boring as a final boss
I feel like it's probably still gonna be a bit...new areas take a long time to build
Maybe they'll expand the hub? That's the absolute most I think could be expected rn
I'm just hoping for a new weapon or something
Well if nothing else we're clearly getting whoever that silhouette is
I wouldn't be surprised if someone's hooded art was replaced too
Eh, it's been months since launch. They could have been working on designing it on the side
Bc even tho last update was the Chaos update, we also got Artemis' art
I'm like 100% sure they have been working on it on the side but a new area is a huge thing
Well we know that they were designing it on the side, or at least claim to (and I have no reason to doubt that)
Two months really isn't very long in dev terms
They're still adding polish to Asphodel and Tartarus and they had a year to get the groundwork laid on those before launch
Which to me reads as, we probably can't expect a new area till five or six months post-launch
I think they said in the last Q&A that they wanted to refine the current scale of the experience before expanding it at all. Idk if that means that we'll have all of the keepsakes and weapons before we can progress beyond the Hydra, but I reckon at least a lot of that will be done first.
It's a pretty decent chunk of time dev-wise. It isn't enough for an entire game, but I've seen pretty good content come out of 2 months of dev work. And that doesn't mean they only started it at launch either, iot could have been cut since it wasn't ready. I haven't been super active around here lately, but not really heard much about timeline
Last update they said that it would be a while before another area was added
So I'm mostly just going off what they told me
update hype 
ye boi
Amir and Greg shared some stuff with regards to new biomes in the #ask-supergiant ama.
Mostly that they want to release them asap, but also that they are multi-month endeavors
hey y'all when's the next big patch coming out?
tomorrow
TOMORROW
OH HELL YEAH
gonna be out for most of the day tomorrow it seems but once I'm home it'll be Hades time
oh mood i work tomorrow and i bet the patch is gonna drop when im at work again
it's gonna drop while i'm asleep, and then i have work immediately after ๐
12-15 hour delay for me no matter when the patches drop lol
that east asian lyfe

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At least you wont be doing end of semester exams when the update drops
oh,woof
oh noooo
i'm not at work tomorrow but depending on when it drops i might not get much time to play
Is there any specified frame for the actual drop? ๐
Thank you, so helpful! ๐
I deserved that one, I guess, should've checked the info or website or whatever ๐
Supposedly (I wasn't here for it) the last major patch dropped in the afternoon, so that's what we're looking towards
Afternoon in which part of the world?
North America
I just hope tomorrow we will get the Scythe already
scythes are a villain's weapon
Scythes are for cowards
Not really
Scythes are cool
Scythes are unusual for a villain to be using
Scythes are for looking good
Hell, the best discworld character uses one
I'd like to see a short double axe
Weapons I'd like to see: scythe, axe, and a mace/maul (any sort of bludgeoning weapon really. We already have the shield but I want a Bigโข one)
Anyway Scythe has the benefit of fitting the current pattern perfectly
The cael hammer
I need it
Also scythes have a x4 mod and deal 2d4 damage so like... not very frightening
Cael hammer would be real cool
Who said anything about frightening? They look so cool!
the sharpest bean scythe in the world
ohhh sorry i was just referencing the sharpest knife videos ๐
Any leaks or hints on what the update is like?
Because the January update was somewhat dissapointing
hello does anyone know what time zone Supergiant follows? just wanna know because i have all of Feb12 free and I wanna play with the upcoming patch installed as soon as i can
Pst!
why are we whispering
bfhcncbfjfbv
(yelling) PACIFIC STANDARD TIME
no one in the hades universe knows what time it is
night or day or whenever
when hades gets the sundial installed maybe well have a time
When is the next big patch? Where is the teaser? Not even a littler hype machine this time? Supergiants is sure the weirdest developer!
It's in #announcements
(pokemon voice) who is that god??!!??!
(silhouette reveal) it is... aphrodite cooking an egg viewed from above!!!!
chaos: has anyone seen my egg it was about to hatch
cosmic egg for breakfast
...or whatever meal
since. no one knows what. time it is.
you know i refrained from saying this but hypnos' voice is one or two funny words away from sounding like mickey's
(mickey mouse voice) welcome to the house of hades, where death is your life!!!
you could attribute any sentence to mickey mouse and i'd believe you as long as you say "yeah he says it in kingdom hearts"
yeah he says it in kingdom hearts
Say you don't change your keepsake in the secret corridor
Does the effect reset?
Will the next boon you find match the keepsake?
Also, if you have bought the thread from the well, and you get a trial of gods room, does it only apply to the first boon you chose?
Because you do find them both at the same time...
i think by finding they mean using
the keepsake doesn't reset, no
if you pick a different god keepsake, it'll have the usual guarantee effect, but if you just keep the same one, it's still used up
got it, thanks
Wouldn't the sundial be a little off
Since there's no sun down there
and a lot of fire
hades just gets some tortured soul to hold a flashlight above on the sundial and move it around slowly
He dug a small hole straight to the surface
He doesnโt really know the time but he knows when itโs noon at least
Well, he knows when it's noon directly above him, anyway. If Hades is below ground, do time zones extend below the Earth's crust, or do they operate completely differently?
Its always High Noon
he literally digs a hole from the house directly to the surface and he installs a bunch of mirrors to reflect the light
this is called the hall of mirrors and is a secret endgame ultrahard area zagreus can find
it mixes dash parkour and combat
he navigates his way out while trying to not burn to a crisp from the beams of light everywhere
hey dude! spoilers
upon completing the area the narrator just says he died an atrocious death just because
And the mirrors also distort Zag
So in one he looks tall and lanky
In another he looks like Dionysus
oh oh oh im gonna be insufferable for a moment
you see the final boss of this area is zagreus himself bc it's a metaphor for coming to terms with one's identity and beliefs,
hence the mirrors
it's dark zagreus
Its Metal Zagreus
goth zagreus vs prep zagreus
poor shade sentenced to counting the hours and minutes and seconds of the day in their head and flashing a light on a sundial at the same time so that all of the underworld can know what time it is
What if instead
The time is measured by what meal is currently served
So for example it could be half past dinner
nice
Is the update on already?
it's tomorrow
Tasty
@vale kite They mock him calling him Helios
Because that's what Helios actually does
in the real sky
You know who my favorite greek god always was
Hephaestus
It'd be neat if he was like, a third-act god that did something related to the Daedalus upgrades
Since you know, he's the god of the forge and artisanship and all that
Any ideas for the patch time? I got a busy schedule tomorrow so I'd like to know if it possible for me to even play.
last update it was like .... 2pm EST
Will be streaming this tomorrow come patch time
anyone think we could get the ability to give ambrosia to bouldy
beg for mods (or more Sisyphus dialog)
Give it to Sisyphus and he says "No thanks I'm full" and passes it to Bouldy who gives you a keepsake which is literally just a rock. It does nothing it's just a rock
for those real high difficulty runs, no keepsake bonus
Bonus: Every room is Sisyphus
Even bosses?
But not as in it's a Sisyphus room, he's just there
just sisyphus
The Monika of Hades. XD
rip infinite sandwich
i got so spoiled now im like ....aw ok cant fill up health here fully
Now it just says SOON ๐ฆ
soon.
thas marvelously ominous thank you
youre welcome : )
Bouldy is Monika. Proof: I love them both so much and they deserve the world
oh boy most of the devs playing hades. I'm ready to hit that update button so fasts
Well, you still have another day to wait for that, but it's very exciting!
The anticipation ๐คค
Yeah, the release date is for PST
Last time it came out at around noon PST on the scheduled date
No guarantees that it will be the same time of day this time
Tomorrow evening for you, most likely
well I'm gonna be out for a long while in 3 hours. hopefully the update will role out once I'm back
Sisyphus is Bouldy confirmed
free him from his placeholder hood
Why do so many people honestly think the next God is gonna be another of the primordial Gods, like Gaia, or one of the titans, e.g. Helios?
Guys, don't you think the 12 Olympians are enough?
Don't get me wrong, it would be awesome to see SGG's interpretation of Gaia, Atlas, Prometheus or whatever
But it was hard enough for me to come up with an IDEA for the remaining Olympians' boons, let alone ensure they're all mechanically balanced, integrated and fleshed out as characters
Adding another 12 would just be mental!
And replacing one of the remaining Gods with their Titan equivalent would just be faintly weird and kinda sad for people who was looking forward to seeing the one who was replaced
I also can't help but scoff at the idea of Hephaestus' boons acting like the Daedalus hammer
Reason 1: the Daedalus hammer already exists!, there's no point in replacing it mid way through development when there's nothing wrong with it and having two things that do functionally the exact same thing is just redundant
Reason 2: It would just be really weird to have one of the Gods follow a completely different set of rules from the others, for not really any reason,
You could even argue it's bad design: teaching your players to expect a certain thing to act in a certain way then suddenly change it around for no outwardly obvious reason,
I mean, I still hope they give him something more interesting than a basic 'burn' effect, since we already have 2 God's that just do damage, but that doesn't mean it has to bend the rules
were people saying it would be a primordial god?? tbh i thought most people were saying it'd be ||dionysus or hestia||
also technically we have chaos
which most of us never expected
Fitting for Chaos, I suppose
A few people were hoping it was Gaia, and while I agree with the sentiment I do think that eventually we'll have all 12 (13?) Olympians and at least one other Primordial
~ surprise, o gods, i bet you thought you'd seen the last of me ; ) ~
Sisyphus throws off his cloak and it was Dwayn Johnson the whole time
oh my god
bouldy breaks open and dwayne the rock johnson was inside the whole time
like some kind of one man trojan boulder
From what I've seen, half the people think it's || Dionysus, Hestia or even Demeter ||
But at the other half seem really confident it's Gaia or or one of the Titans
Bouldy (voiced by Mick Foley)
aaaaaa
Bouldy voice credits: a rockslide
I am very, very confident it's || Dionysus ||
But I'd love to see || Demeter || sooner or later
Sisyphus keeps his voice actor but Bouldy has been a pro wrestler this entire time
can't imagine she wants anything to do with the underworld
important question
is bouldy a face or a heel
hm
I have an idea or two, I don't think it would be too hard
Face, I'd say
yeah
in fact bouldy is all face
Bouldy has a face on him, but have you seen ATLA? He's a heel
sisyphus is a heel for sure
that's his secret, even though bouldy's nothing but a face, he's actually a heel
No Sisyphus is too sweet to be a heel
Plus, || she is an Olympians, even if she doesn't live on Olympus that much anymore ||
He got sent to Tartarus for being a heel so now he's a face
that was his pro wrestling arc gjkgdf
It would go like thus:
used to be a heel but after an eternity of punishment he did a face turn
Exactly
something something achilles
something something heel
i can't string it together into a coherent pun
hits bouldy
achilles feels it
skelly is bouldy theory
love it
Y'all saying Bouldy is secretly Dwayne Johnson, but really it's been Stone Cold Steve Austin all this time 

No he's literally actually The Boulder from ATLA
i mean have you ever seen bouldy's skeleton? no
he filled a river with trojans
|| Demeter would call up Zag and be like: I heard Hades doesn't have my daughter with him anymore but she hasn't come back to me, and I know you're looking for her so get to the surface and help me find her, so I can keep her safe (secretly, she's also doing it to get revenge on Hades for kidnapping Persephone by taking his son away too, not because she likes Zag all that much ||
achilles the heel....
he's infuriating because he's dancing around so fast
opponent can't touch him and everyone boos him
we came here to see wrestling boo
is tartarus like a new wrestling league
do we have like, a bunch of different leagues on the surface, and then tartarus
tartarus has a reputation for taking in disgraced heels and they either do a face turn or they get so much worse
And then one guy shot him in the foot and he's like "Welp guess I can't be a wrestler anymore" also he literally died
paris threw a chair onto his foot
the tartarus home for heels who lost their popularity gdjhgdfkjg
YES
i don't know anything about wrestling
bouldy is a bug the
is an exoskeleton
all i know about pro wrestling is it's got convoluted plotlines
You know that guy who got immortality but kept shrinking as he got older and turned into a cricket?
That's Bouldy
HDKBMV WHAT
@alpine stratus A Hercules beetle?
every wrestler i know:
-john cena
-hulk hogan
-incineroar
-???
what myth......
Dwayne Johnson and Scott Steiner deserve recognition too (though if we're talking about Scott Steiner we should move to off-topic bc I've got a lot to talk about with him)
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Ok so he didn't turn into a cricket I must have read a different version of the story. He just shrank and became a weird wrinkled old man
whomst....
Tithonus
How exactly did you lot transition from crazy, collaborative wrestler themed Hades fanfic writing
To talking about an obscure myth in which a guy gets so old that he turns into a cricket?
well someone said something about bouldy being an exoskeleton...
He didn't turn into a cricket I misremembered
That's natural conversation for you, Patrick ๐
the convo is right there lol just scroll up a bit
No, I've heard the story that way too
Oh cool it's not just me
Cricket or censoredroach
Right. The Sc*nthorpe problem
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That joke would have worked a lot better if I had spelled censored properly
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@olive jungle - I did scroll up to try and figure out what was going on in the conversation
But seeing it only makes it harder to understand... Like gazing into the eyes of an eldritch God... 
I mean, H.P Lovecraft talked a lot about many tenticled, many mouthed screaming piles of pure incomprehensible madness
And if that's not a description for the Internet then I donno what is
Does gazing upon the internet fill you with existential dread?
Frequently
lol
I mean, more than I'd like...
I curate my internet to bring joy and delight when I gaze upon it
Hence why I'm here 
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That's just evidence you've already fallen prey to its reality warping effects...
Have you noticed any pentigrams around your house you don't remember putting there?
Any blood-soaked unspeakable horrors in your yard?
this is getting a little off-topic y'all, lol
and before you ask: yes the pro-wrestling au is very much on topic ๐
Anyone know if the patch drops at midnight?
In one timezone probably
Hey Alviss! Our patch is launched by us from our office, so it won't be available until tomorrow PST. For reference our last one launched in early afternoon, but we don't have a set time currently.
@chilly stump thank you! Iโm very excited for it.
update HYPE๐ฅณ
SAME I CAME HERE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TIME
Poor SGG, one game release is bad enough, but they gotta do it monthly
Their labours please us, we are joy
I wonder, how much efforts are wasted due to polishing it for every release instead of working at their normal pace.
Very little, I think
Most of the "polish" is just fixing bugs that they'd have to fix anyway
I can't agree unless you elaborate, to release game in early access means to get all mechanics working good enough, instead of letting every team member with at their maximum speed. It sounds like plenty of small bottlenecks in production
if something isn't ready for us to see, they just don't show it to us; i don't think they're killing themselves trying to get things that are too rough for the upcoming major update ready
Besides, I'm sure they've thought the process through and have timelines and such
Well, with early access and additional money flow, they can develop for longer



