I mean, who knows what the future holds for persephone. I too think it's a bit early for her
#h1-discussion
frosty mountain
distant umbra
I did say it was wild
frosty mountain
fair, fair
ancient elk
She could turn out dead and it turns into a revenge story
radiant tangle
What if you just see her as she's leaving a room and you were just a lil bit late a la Legend of Zelda
ancient elk
What if persephone takes off her wig and its actually hades playing you all along
iron pilot
If your "quest" is to escape to Olympus where Persephone is, then it would be a bit strange if she wasn't at where your end goal was
radiant tangle
What if Zag was Persephone the whole time
frosty mountain
radiant tangle
Do the Gods of Olympus ever say that Persephone is with them?
iron pilot
The gods of olympus don't know you're leaving to get to her
frosty mountain
I highly doubt they do, or that she is
hexed smelt
guys, this channel is supposed to be spoiler free
brisk trail
please use spoiler tags for ||persephone|| or.. #h1-story-discussion
brisk trail
two of them!
hexed smelt
that but two of them
ancient elk
Thanks!
hexed smelt
||like this||
iron pilot
||this|| is how you spoiler
ancient elk
||zag dies at the end||
frosty mountain
||test||
radiant tangle
||Zag/Dusa is endgame||
echo tundra
What if it is Hera?
iron pilot
Hera would be an interesting addition
rotund wolf
Oh I just saw
iron pilot
Personally, I was drawn to the base gameplay of the shield, but after discovering the Daedalus upgrades for the other weapons, I ended up using the other weapons far more
echo tundra
@iron pilot Draw between sword and bow.
radiant tangle
My favorite weapon is the Sword, although the fact that my favorite upgrades are the ones that completely change its attack pattern is telling
iron pilot
I like the base sword and love it after hammer upgrades.
radiant tangle
Flurry Blade and World Splitter are the coolest Daedalus upgrades in the game and you cannot change my mind
rotund wolf
But the liqiud like thing in the spoiler makes me think maybe Dionysus
stiff torrent
Are we talking favorite gameplay loop? Or favorite because it's most viable in 60+ heat runs?
radiant tangle
If you look closely, you can see grape leaves and vines coming off of the silhouette too
fiery pebble
Bow is the best weapon
iron pilot
I liked the base shield but don't like its hammer upgrades. They either feel useless, non-impactful, a hinderance, or powerful but passive
fiery pebble
But I also love spear especially with special
cyan plank
the 'staff' in the art sillouette also very much looks like a thyrsus
fiery pebble
And yeah, Shield has a big problem where only one of its upgrades is good and fun
radiant tangle
The spear is fun, but there are way too many bugs with it
fiery pebble
Granted ,that one upgrade is the best upgrade overall
rotund wolf
Haha my favorite is bow, but I need to give the shield more of a shake
radiant tangle
Its special doesn't get boiling blood bonuses and the far throw only works on the first cast
rotund wolf
The one serious run I did with it was wicked fun
fiery pebble
Biggest problem shield has is that it only has 2 upgrades to the charge
Only one of which is good
rotund wolf
Fast bull rush + Athena on main attack
radiant tangle
^^^^^^
fiery pebble
And like 6 upgrades to special all of which are useless because shield special is useless
radiant tangle
Yeah :/
rotund wolf
I do think they could stand to prune some of the hammer things
frosty mountain
I like vanilla sword the best
iron pilot
If I were to suggest shield upgrades, I'd probably say something like:
• Your special throws a shadow of your shield instead, allowing you to still use your primary attacks while it flies.
• You can attack twice in quick succession, but only the second deals knockback
fiery pebble
True, bows are fairly bland
But very good
And Id say Bow has the most solid base gameplay loop
So I dont mind it, really
iron pilot
I like the bow, but dislike the charging and the "perfect timing" shot
radiant tangle
Bow is really fun with Poseidon buffs
radiant tangle
I don't like that the there's no dash attack on the bow
That's my only criticism tbh
iron pilot
I like bow dashing but I feel like once I miss a perfect shot with bow dash I like mess up the rhythm
brisk trail
instead of just sitting there charging and loosing shots
burnt pond
Bow charges faster after a dash.
iron pilot
Norman, Bow's version of dash attacks is that it charges faster after a dash
frosty mountain
it's fine as long as they create interesting and varied gameplay. Example: point blank vs sniper shot. counter example: point blank vs triple shot (re:bow upgrades)
radiant tangle
Oh what
burnt pond
So you may indeed be losing some rhythm there.
radiant tangle
That's so cool
rotund wolf
It is the only thing that makes steady shot usable
fiery pebble
Even then Steady shot is bad
It and quick shot are the worst hammer upgrades for bow
rotund wolf
Quick shot is quite good
iron pilot
Dino, I knew about the dash making it charge faster, it's just that like, after I miss one perfect shot after dashing, I feel like I always miss the next few as well
radiant tangle
Speaking of dash attack, did anyone else notice that Artemis' dash attack buff resets to its base level after one room?
burnt pond
Quick shot has a chance to be decent with Ares, Zeus, or Athena, especially on 150 heat runs.
rotund wolf
You just are forced into using one of three attack boons
burnt pond
Yeah that is a known bug Norman, it should be addressed in the next patch.
radiant tangle
👍
brisk trail
Yeah if you get the timing right you can dash, fire a charged shot, dash, rinse repeat
its a nice loop
rotund wolf
And I find steady shot just fine
fiery pebble
Eh, Ares is always bad
rotund wolf
You just gotta be right their faces
frosty mountain
quick shot mostly makes sense with zeus
fiery pebble
Athena does make quick shot a deflect machine
And Zeus is good for roomclearing, I guess
burnt pond
And deflect is 6x as good in 150 heat.
iron pilot
Ares is my favorite to get with bow, because getting curse on primary fire is a massive dps increase
fiery pebble
But you always end up with lower damage with quick shot than regular bow
burnt pond
Ares is decent when you have no other upgrades, especially when you can only put 500 darkness in to upgrades.
fiery pebble
Its a much, much lower DPS increase than all others except Zeus
rotund wolf
I wish the curse damage had a lower cooldown
fiery pebble
Eh, even without upgrades
burnt pond
That is true, but the run and gun is what I think makes it somewhat decent in 150 heat runs. Then again you can't really be picky in those since you have only 1 upgrade option.
rotund wolf
Because as it is Zeus still does more single target damage
Because it procs on every hit
radiant tangle
The cooldown is there bc of lance + flurry blade
iron pilot
Lol one of my favorite runs was deflect flurry blade
fiery pebble
Ares curse should stack tbh
rotund wolf
Hahaha if it just stacked and you had to stop attacking for it to trigger
radiant tangle
I first took flurry blade after I got a 30% crit chance first room
fiery pebble
Or semi-stack at least
fiery pebble
Only problem is overlap with Zeus
burnt pond
Imagine having Ares curse stack and unloading 9 of them into an enemy with bow special.
Or 18, that'd be nutty :p
radiant tangle
18 with the upgrade
fiery pebble
Idk, I think Ares just needs kind of a major rework in general
rotund wolf
More blade rifts
frosty mountain
I don't think so
radiant tangle
I like the blade rifts
rotund wolf
All the blade rifts
iron pilot
Ares is weird in that he has two distinct mechanics, too
radiant tangle
The boon that makes the blade rifts home in is legit my favorite boon in the game
iron pilot
Blade rifts and curse
radiant tangle
Although I haven't seen ||his legendary boon|| so idk
burnt pond
Blade rifts were insane before the Boiling Blood upgrade was added, which now presents you with an opportunity cost.
iron pilot
Yeah I had blade rift size buff and homing and cast blade rift once
burnt pond
Do you go for the 50% extra damage, or blade rift and try to get all those cool synergies.
iron pilot
Did so much damage
rotund wolf
Maybe if like each attack added a stack and then once you have x on an enemy it spawns a rift on them?
radiant tangle
I'd love that dannesk :0
fiery pebble
Honestly I wish that enemeis would take boiling blood multiplier if they stand in the blade rift
radiant tangle
His curse stacks with boiling blood, which is really noce
burnt pond
I mean it still depends on the weapon. Like with spear and bow I would want boiling blood, but with sword I think it is ok to lose out on it.
Yeah it is counted as part of the attack, it used to synergize really well with lifedrinker too.
iron pilot
Ah, you know one thing I thought was a bummer now that I think about it
radiant tangle
But that 75 damage q tho
frosty mountain
lifedrinker F
radiant tangle
I started playing after lifedrinker
frosty mountain
I really feel lack of a vanilla sword daedalus
radiant tangle
What do you mean by that, Icathios
frosty mountain
I mean, unlike woldspliter and flurry blade
iron pilot
I know that +5 hp is a lot weaker than the talent it replaced, but it also feels super passive
frosty mountain
that change your combo
burnt pond
Ah, similar to the spear then eh?
frosty mountain
yeah kinda
rotund wolf
What would you give it?
iron pilot
I kinda wish it were like, +1 Max hp from hearts
rotund wolf
Longer range?
frosty mountain
I recognize lifedrinker was broken in many ways, but it was interesting
radiant tangle
That's really weak, Esja. If it can be upgraded to +10 you'd need 5 hearts for it to be the same level of strength
burnt pond
Maybe change the AoEs? Like first hit would be 270-360 degrees around you, second hit would be a cone in front, and then third hit would have extra reach?
frosty mountain
idk, hard to say dann. atm the vanilla combo is really awkward in ashphodel and high heat in general.
I'd like some insentive to complete the 3 hit combo
burnt pond
Yeah that's true. Not being able to stun enemies with armor means you just get punished for using it every time.
iron pilot
@radiant tangle oh yeah, I mean it might have to be +2 or +3 per rank, but the idea would be that instead of a static thing you'd be tuning yourself towards certain choices
frosty mountain
because it's really risky when there are loads of enemies/when hitting armored targets
rotund wolf
Knock back is stored from the first two hits and triggers on the third?
burnt pond
Even worldsplitter feels a little too slow to use in high heat runs, not even counting the Death Insurance which negates two of your incredibly high damage but slow attacks.
radiant tangle
That's fair, Esja
rotund wolf
Just send them all the way across the room
fiery pebble
Yeah, thats why I dont like Death Insurance
radiant tangle
Not to mention that the vanilla sword pattern is awful with poseidon bc you can't land your thrust
burnt pond
I think things like that Esja would be more likely to happen as the game goes further into development and gets more levels.
frosty mountain
the only think I dislike with worldsplitter is that you retain the sword dash attack
fiery pebble
Wish we had other heat options that increased dificulty in a natural, fun way
burnt pond
Value propositions like Ocean's Bounty become better the longer you have to play with it.
Well I don't think there is way to increase difficulty in a non-artificial way. More HP and damage, and putting limiters on you is kind of the only way. Which is basically how it was done in Bastion and Transistor as well.
frosty mountain
I also kinda agree. Since they aren't designing around the pact, it can't be helped that it feels a bit artificial
burnt pond
Unless they would perhaps make it so later enemies spawn earlier in the game, or traps become more abundant, or fewer drops.
frosty mountain
dead cells style
iron pilot
Yeah, just thought the current flat +5 hp just makes max hp a worse pickup but otherwise doesn't affect how you play
fiery pebble
I just wish we would get other mods that focus more around making the same amount of time be more challenging, rather than arbitrarily increasing the time needed
burnt pond
I understand your qualms though, in high heat runs it just becomes an exercise in tedium.
frosty mountain
that could be cool. would take away from the flavour of some enemies, but if you're doing high heat, you're not there for the flavour
radiant tangle
I see what you're saying, Esja. It helps on no healing runs, and with hydralite/fountains, but other than that has little impact on gameplay.
fiery pebble
Maybe give enemies baseline knockback immunity, or automatically give enemies the trial of the god effects
Except Athena
burnt pond
Yeah I am in the high heat runs for the skelly statues.
radiant tangle
I would love the trial of the gods buffs on enemies
rotund wolf
The Poseidon one D:
radiant tangle
I love the Ares one
frosty mountain
yall say that now, but when you get teleporting slamdancers with +500% dmg every second room
rotund wolf
Never picking him second again on Asphodel
frosty mountain
I'll see what you think then. :p
fiery pebble
That sounds fun
radiant tangle
Is it just me or do Artemis Zeus and Aphrodite have the same buffs to enemies
frosty mountain
sorta yeah
rotund wolf
I honestly have only noticed the Athena, Poseidon, and ares ones
radiant tangle
The others just get a dash (although the enemies are very good at timing those right before attacks)
iron pilot
You know what's a feelsbad
When you take shield and you get the deflect hammer upgrade
Then you get athena and forget you took that
and get the same upgrade from her
rotund wolf
Haha
iron pilot
radiant tangle
🇫
rotund wolf
They should add duration imo
frosty mountain
wait there's a deflect daedalus upgrade?
iron pilot
Yeah Icathios, one of the hammer upgrades for shield is deflect when damaged
radiant tangle
It's literally the Athena boon without the damage
rotund wolf
And then you just need a pet brimstone to make you invulnerable forever
frosty mountain
ah that
iron pilot
Yeah, I wish shield had good Daedalus upgrades like the others, because I like the base weapon better than the other base weapons
frosty mountain
that's worthy of #hades-feedback imo.
hades is a game with pretty curated synergies/interactions. so situations like these, where you're offered literally the same upgrade shouldn't happen
flint gust
Shield would benefit most from multiple daedalus upgrades
rotund wolf
Honestly it is a bit weird that the shield and spear are separate weapons
iron pilot
Shield has it twice Icathios
fiery pebble
I think I already made that feedback
iron pilot
They also have a stronger clone of the damage reduction perk from Aphrodite
fiery pebble
Early on in the new feedback system
rotund wolf
Who goes into battle with just a shield
frosty mountain
yeah but that one stacks
iron pilot
I nthat case I think the two stack though
flint gust
Zagreus, obviously
radiant tangle
^^
iron pilot
I think the shield upgrades in general need a overhaul
flint gust
In what direction?
fiery pebble
All of the hammers need some tuneup tbh
rotund wolf
I think sword is in a good place re: hammers
fiery pebble
Sword has a bunch that are too bad, shield only 2 good ones only one of which is interesting, spear has a few good ones but the special upgrades are buggy or were butchered by the crit chance
radiant tangle
Looking forward to the first big patch I'm here for! I joined just after the one in January
fiery pebble
Bow just needs to cut some of the overlap and give us some different stuff
iron pilot
The damage reduction one is the only one I find worth taking, even though it's boring
flint gust
I'd personally prefer Hades not become an exercise in min-max
rotund wolf
The close/distance damage ones are kinda boring re: bow
I'd like to see the prefect shot one have more damage and reduce non-perfect damage
flint gust
Most SGG games were about creative expression more than system mastery
frosty mountain
they're a bit bland but they make you play really differently
I agree burmaz, but roguelikes are games defined by system mastery
so there is a bit of conflict there. gotta somehow please both ends
iron pilot
• The shield throwing ones hurt as often as they help and don't make up for how vulnerable you are while using its very weak attack
• The passive ones are objectively strong but don't change how you play
• The bull rush ones seem interesting but Bull Rush is kinda slow
• The attack buff one doesn't really seem like a buff since it only gives you 50% more damage but takes away the wall slamming that a ton of your DPS comes from i nthe first place
flint gust
Im well aware, I beat darkest dungeon, but it'd feel bad for me if they decide to lean too heavily into the mechanical aspect
patent umbra
Bull rush speed is amazing
rotund wolf
Haha the fast bull rush one is the get best thing tho
patent umbra
the slow but strong one just exemplifies the issue
flint gust
Minotaur rush is amazing
flint gust
Perfect risk to reward ratio
iron pilot
Yeah
sacred ocean
i like the 4 targets special. you get that with arys's curse and you are goldennnnn
flint gust
However, ill admit it scales poorly into heat-game
radiant tangle
The blocking in general is kinda wack. The Lout's dash attack hitbox goes around it
fiery pebble
The problem with the shield upgrades, in order
rotund wolf
Yeah I did not like shield until I got Athena for it
frosty mountain
I don't think it's very helpful to consider high heat too heavily when discussing design/balance
rotund wolf
Because only then did it operate like how I expected
fiery pebble
The automatic deflect and damage reduction ones are passive and boring. Plus they overlap with boons. They dont change how you play like a good hammer upgrade does
iron pilot
The things that bugged me about Bull Rush were -- Getting hit while charging the attack, and getting hit mid charge
fiery pebble
The shield special ones are all bad, though thats mostly because the shield special itself is useless
patent umbra
Being boring is a crime
fiery pebble
The attack one is also boring in that it actually removes aspects of a shield
rotund wolf
I think one or two that don't change that are fine
fiery pebble
It makes it less interesting even if it is more effective
rotund wolf
Otherwise you are basically trashing the vanilla version
iron pilot
Uno I don't think it even makes it more effective
sacred ocean
its coz shield special damage is low. if you get it with arys boon and multiple targets it makes the game supereasy
iron pilot
Because you lose the wall slams
fiery pebble
The slow charge one is bad because its just unusable
Fast charge however is amazing
flint gust
Yeah, thats my point - id prefer weaker hammers that change up the gameplay to better mesh with my natural playstyle than really good passive buffs
sacred ocean
since arys curse has a different damage number unrelated to base damage
fiery pebble
Nah, Shield special with Ares boon is still terrible
flint gust
Dont diss my slow charge
sacred ocean
i dont know what you are talking about mate. i did a 120 heat run with shield special arys
fiery pebble
Youre still clearing superslow without even being safer than, say, Bow or spear
God that mustve been excruciatingly slow
flint gust
If I wanted to be safe
iron pilot
Yeah, I've played a lot of shield and the ares boon on shield special brings it from terrible to usable
sacred ocean
23 minute run
flint gust
Id stay in my room
patent umbra
Compared to spear charging bull rush is poop
fiery pebble
23 minutes? Mustve been rather lucky with the room layout
Usually shield special runs even without any heat last 20+ minutes
I would imagine 30+ to be the average
fiery pebble
Yeah thats exactly what I mean, thats really slow
My average run is 12-13 minutes and I dont minmax
Record is 9 I think?
sacred ocean
with spear?
radiant tangle
Oh jeez 18 is my record
sacred ocean
and you use heat?
radiant tangle
That was 19 heat with spear
sacred ocean
i play with 30 heat usually whern i just chill
fiery pebble
Never gone above 60 heat
patent umbra
12 minute was my fastest, using zeus shield attack
radiant tangle
Wait, the 18 minutes was ~30 heat with flurry blade
sacred ocean
when you go for 100+ heat you need ranged weapons
fiery pebble
I think my fastest was 10 minutes
Or 11
Yeah, but then youd go spear or bow
So you dont have to wait around for ages while your lack of damage makes the game slow down to a crawl in an already slow format
rotund wolf
I've not done heat cause most of the options would just make stuff less fun
fiery pebble
Agreed
rotund wolf
But I guess I should unlock damage and no heals
sacred ocean
well first thing i do is go for the achevements
fiery pebble
But it makes some rooms just messy
sacred ocean
well i used all heat on stuff that dont increase max hp of the mobs
coz it makes the game ultra slow
like you said
but as long as you give them increased damage and sac the darkness, its not too bad
sacred ocean
id never do a more health run with the shield, i agree with you about that
would probably go for spear since range is really usefull there
and if you use zeus buff on melee you kill the death insurance pretty easily
fiery pebble
Eh, it doesnt make a difference really
Either way youre just really slow with shield
And personally I hate slow and uninteractive gameplay
But I guess its up to personal preference
sacred ocean
thing is im not a huge fan of the bow
sacred ocean
and i usually pref melee builds, so i like the shield since what i do is get the posidon boon on melee and then its amazing
fiery pebble
Honestly I prefer Athena, especially on shield
Little point having Poseidon when you already have knockback
sacred ocean
athena on special is really good if you go melee buidl
since you can deflect easily
iron pilot
Poseidon on Shield is just for yeeting enemies into lava
rotund wolf
I will admit I have never tried that on the shield special but I
sacred ocean
plus it makes wall slamming very very easy
rotund wolf
Really have a hard time imagining that as working well
sacred ocean
and its great in panic mioments
sacred ocean
xD
rotund wolf
Haha well I mostly am just thinking like
iron pilot
I'd love a hammer perk that let you use special without disarming you
sacred ocean
@rotund wolf try shiled special + arys + x4 hammer. then tell me if im wrong
iron pilot
Since shield special is so weak anyway
rotund wolf
Just like chucking it in there to deflect stuff that isn't near you
sacred ocean
yeah i feed like shield special is more for killing projectiles and reflecting them imo
iron pilot
"This does 15 damage to two enemies, but the catch is that you're disarmed while you wait"
😐
rotund wolf
You can still dash and cast right?
burnt pond
Shield special plus Ares is how I beat 150 heat as well, but oh BOY as that slow.
The deflect seemed like it'd be better overall but I just had some trouble later on when I was dealing with Asphodel
sacred ocean
@burnt pond) Είμαι μεγάλος τύπος its slow but its safe and easy
burnt pond
Mostly the Skullcrushers
radiant tangle
Skullcrushers are just awful
rotund wolf
Are they the purple ones?
sacred ocean
i think its better in general to go for melee build with shield, like zeus rune or something, and then use special for deflect
radiant tangle
They're the rocks with one eye
iron pilot
I feel like half the damage of the shield is in slamming people into walls
sacred ocean
deflect is amazing against high heat runs. does like 300 damage lmao
radiant tangle
Deflect attacks can backstab too
And I'm p sure it stacks with boiling blood, though I've never tested that
rotund wolf
Those things make me always pick up ares dash unless I am doing bow
Because I just do not want to bother with them
sacred ocean
either way, shield and spear are by farrrr my fav weapons. the other two are abit meh imo, but each to thier own i guess :p
after you get used to spear charge up you juts fall in love with it
iron pilot
Shield was my favorite until I discovered the Daedalus upgrades for the other weapons
iron pilot
Thing I disliked most about sword was its combo taking so long, and it has two upgrades that address that
radiant tangle
The trick is that it fires AFTER you dash if you interrupt it
Unless you have Athena dash :/
sacred ocean
@rotund wolf charge it far away and dash when its completely charged up
iron pilot
Norman, exception to that rule is if you take athena dash
Athena dash screws up spear charge
sacred ocean
im not a big fan of athena dash
radiant tangle
It's the best base boon by far
sacred ocean
if you take x3 dash in the mirror, it makes athena dash feel like a downgrade
@radiant tangle ye but then why spend the 300 darknees on charges? you dont even need htem
radiant tangle
Huge amounts of I-frames and deflect is crazy strong
There's still ending lag on the dash, trust me the bonus dashes help
rotund wolf
Yeah I don't feel the athena dash really :/
iron pilot
I've maxed out all the darkness perks except Epic% and +HP
rotund wolf
Mostly because it messes up the dash flow I am used to
sacred ocean
ill tell you what, athena dash is powerfull i agree, BUT it hurts the fluency of my gameplay and i cant forgive that 😛
iron pilot
50%
patent umbra
titan toppler has always been a run killer for me
sacred ocean
rare goes to 50% epic 25%
patent umbra
I can't stand it
sacred ocean
@patent umbra its amazing for easy bomb deflections, and you can just dash into stuff to deflect them into the witches etc, so its super good. but i dont like how it makes the dashing feel slow and unresponsive
jaunty falcon
so guys
rotund wolf
Bomb deflections are weird with bow
rotund wolf
Dionysus is mine
rotund wolf
Which hopefully doesn't revolve around healing item drops
iron pilot
Can't wait for some of the things this patch will address
Hope one of the changes is labeling challenge rooms the same way they label the harder rooms with the skulls in the corner
rotund wolf
If it is Dionysus I hope the VA sounds plastered tho
iron pilot
I don't mind the survive for X second rooms but the no hit rooms giving you nothing when you fail is one of the worst things
iron pilot
It wouldn't make as much sense lore-wise but I think it'd feel a lot better if it was a reward system instead of a penalty
Like, instead of failure -> you get nothing, make it so success gets you greater rewards
Barring that, if it warned you it was coming
it'd be easier just to say "screw that" and not take the challenge
gray plank
DIONYSUS!!
iron pilot
Heh, you know what'd be interesting
If getting out of Hades was only the first half of the game.
If there were a twist and you had to return
Accepting boons from Chthonic entities
to make your way back into the depths
iron pilot
What if, Nestorn
You had to return with something of value
But you can't take it with you when you die, so you have to fight your way back alive
solemn crow
If that would be the case, I wonder how difficulity would scale then
iron pilot
I was thinking it would be like
solemn crow
Because going back you would face weaker and weaker enemies
solemn crow
Or boons could dissapear the further you go back
iron pilot
As for enemies, it's not like they're bound to using the same enemies in the same order
Eh, boons disappearing might be a bit harsh unless you get something in return
As a game progresses you should feel more powerful, not less
solemn crow
Makes sense
iron pilot
But really I just wanna see what kinda of boons Nyx would give us 
rotund wolf
Haha a descent would be good in that it would make sense to fight Hades at the end
iron pilot
Nyx's boons could be based on shadows, perhaps things like making you invisible until you strike the first enemy, or creating clouds of darkness you can hide in
iron pilot
Maybe you could have Achilles offer a martial upgrade similar to the Daedalus Hammer
Yeah this could be a neat last act
Like
Imagine a streamlined version of the climb
There'd be like, one room per Chthonic god/shade/fury
Lol, even better than Hades being final boss
rotund wolf
Dusa last boss?
solemn crow
Hypnos last boss
rotund wolf
Hahahaha
solemn crow
Just walk past him lol
rotund wolf
I wish
iron pilot
Imagine this:
You get to Olympus. ||Persephone|| is shocked to see you. She warns you that a dark force is plotting to take over the Underworld. You climb back into the abyss, gaining the boons of your Chthonic peers as you clear rooms. You reach the throne room, and in it... is Skelly.
brisk trail
skelly is too good to be evil :<
solemn crow
"Game was rigged from the start, boyo"
iron pilot
r o f l
vale kite
sgkjhjghgsjl
(zag arrives in the throne room)
skelly: blood and darkness what in the goddamn...?
iron pilot
Man and all this came into my head because someone made me think of what if the Chthonic entities got to give boons
now Skelly becomes the final boss
solemn crow
||bone hydra|| but with skelly's head
brisk trail
haakjhgjfdg
vale kite
bone hydra but skelly rides it
iron pilot
Six armed Skelly wielding the weapons and trinkets you didn't choose
vale kite
CHECK THIS OUT BOYO (hydra head stomps zag)
solemn crow
General grevious skelly yo
iron pilot
Imagine people metagaming being like "I gotta use the shield because if I don't stupid Skelly is gonna use the shield throw on me"
flint gust
Hestia comes to mind, hera
red coral
yoooooo let's take this to #h1-story-discussion, I know it's just speculation but others may prefer to fly completely blind for this update!
hazy onyx
sawwy
red coral
you're alright!
hazy onyx
i like your profile pic btw
red coral
thanks!
ancient elk
In feedback what does 📝 and 👁 mean?
tepid yacht
they explain all the icons in one of the pinned posts in that channel
tepid yacht
it's all good 💪
neat musk
The new character was leaked on Twitter. It's Sideshow Bob
tepid yacht
really? i thought it was a jigglypuff as seen from above
karmic basalt
i keep thinking the new char has a giant spoon....
tepid yacht
my spoon is too big
karmic basalt
aww you don't have to feel bad
it just means they can't look into it at the moment and might not necessarily ignore it forever
iron pilot
One reason they may have locked it is that this major patch changes a lot of things and they're seeing a lot of feedback that is either addressed or irrelevant after this update
Basically that they want us to save our feedback for the next patch
In case that feedback is affected by the changes
brisk trail
I have a question about the soundtrack of the game: will the ost be updated like the game?
I'd love to hear again Ashley Barrett voice in some new tracks
zealous timber
@fiery pebble we're open to feedback on the #hades-feedback process. If this ends up feeling too early after the patch comes out, please let us know in the channel when it opens up. We're trying to balance collecting with feedback with the time it takes to process, react and mark it all.
iron pilot
Ooh, neat.
fiery pebble
Oh no, Im more curious because I thought it was closer to release last time
unkempt radish
The silhouette is dionysus right?
It looks like he's holding a thyrssus
Like the pinecomb wand
unkempt radish
There's what looks like laurels of leaves, so my second guess would be Demeter
void vigil
is the meme TOO dead to say it looks like yannys of leaves to me 
alpine stratus
void vigil
I’m already ashamed of that. I’m so sorry
small lake
vale kite
At least you're self-aware 
small lake
your crimes will not be forgiven
fiery pebble
Wait
Huh, that could be the pinecone wand
That was the only reason I wasnt 100% on it being Dionysus
olive jungle
a whole god + new boons would be sweet
i guess we basically got that with chaos too huh
alpine stratus
i bet if its dionsius we get to go behind the lounge :00
tulip locust
I've been avoiding the game so I'm not burnt out when the next patch comes around and adds a little bit more content.
Oh wow I didn't mean to word that in such a disheartening way to any staff who might be stopping by.
olive jungle
nah it's totally understandable imo!
tulip locust
Revision: I'm pacing myself so that when stuff gets added I can really enjoy it.
olive jungle
i haven't touched the game in a week or two either
tulip locust
Depends on the game for me.
karmic basalt
im doing the same arkatox, the slow release of new content w patches has been great bc i can't play too much so it's nice that every time i boot up hades there's been smth new added
spring cipher
i feel like conversation about who the sillouete is should be saved for #h1-story-discussion
no?
frigid dragon
Is the epic artemis dash boon bug after changing rooms, fixed, or I have to wait for the next patch? I kinda wanted to do a run based on it, so I didn't play again when the bug happened
radiant tangle
I'm pretty sure they're addressing it this patch
brisk trail
Is there any way to see my playtime for Hades?
spring cipher
Umm yeah
In the menu
it gives you the playtime of the save file
no?
Nope i was wrong
olive jungle
Yeah, i don't think there is currently a way to view playtime
brisk trail
kk, thx for the answer. just setting up my launcher for all my other launchers and trying to line up my playtime properly lol
fair bone
@ supergiant my birthday is actually friday, can I get an early look at the art that day????
olive jungle
haha lol my birthday's on sunday. i'm just considering the patch to be a late birthday gift
radiant tangle
My birthday's in four months so let's hope for something big to happen in June
signal spoke
eternal vault
oh that's funny, my birthday is............... right before whenever the next weapon's being added
ancient elk
My birthday is in 11 months 8 days, can i get a quick peek at the full release?
hexed smelt
dang, why didn’t i think of that one
fair bronze
My bday is feb 30th can i get a quick peek?
brazen stone
My birthday is this year, can I see behind the scenes 
trail raven
My birthday is on 8th of maarchhh i wanna see the ending
brazen lake
who do you guys think has that outline in the announcement?
i think it might be dionysus (if i even spelled that correctly)
B E E R M A N
mechanic could maybe confuse enemies so they hit each other?
cus they get drunk
alpine stratus
oooooohhhhh confusion tactic would be amazing
watch out for those trial rooms tho 😱
brazen lake
you randomly move in a different direction when challenged by beerman
probably not a very fun mechanic against the player tbh
vale kite
we already have aphrodite and the power of love to enslave the dead into fighting each other
alpine stratus
when u have an aphrodite boon and a dionsius boon: (beyonce voice) drunk in loooove
gray plank
Oof
vale kite
oh they'd definitely get along for the worst dfhjdsghg
gray plank
Lol
brazen lake
what if the dionysus challenge gives you drunk vision
and enemies seem to move faster or slower randomly
alpine stratus
noooooo id die
radiant lantern
Hello, I'm new, I just played through like 10-ish hours of the game and 25 runs, I would like to say the 2nd boss is really messy
although I did beat it but it's more by brute force than by skill cause of the dodgy hitboxes and my strategy is basically burst one side of the heads really quick while just face tanking it
olive jungle
Folks have put out some strategy pointers on movement during that fight and on the best boon and weapon loadouts if you'd be interested! For sure it's a scary fight, but it's. so much better than it used to be, haha
Still waiting on the camera to get some kind of adjustment though ^^;
radiant lantern
well, the game is pretty polished enough that I think you can beat it with any boons as long as you get a decent cast boon imo
rotund wolf
I usually end up not picking a cast boon
radiant lantern
and for weapons I still feel while the spear is most effective and the bow in general is underwhelming
void vigil
hahah you’ll find a lot of people disagree
rotund wolf
Bow is definitely the most op at the moment
radiant lantern
spear just suffer from the dodgy hitbox
void vigil
bow is amazing, you just gotta get used to it
rotund wolf
And will be even more so if they fix Hunter's dash
brisk trail
i actually dislike the spear the most lol
void vigil
I like all weapons, but the bow rlly won me over when I learned how to play it
radiant lantern
yea, sometimes aim assist just doesn't help with spear basic attacks
olive jungle
i can't do the spear at all >~<
rotund wolf
Turn aim assist off imo
radiant lantern
and you can just miss 5 attacks in a row on a stationary enemy
the camera do need some work on it
rotund wolf
You have to aim for the shadows of enemies is what I've figured out
radiant lantern
or something akin to an indicator so I know like where they are
I have to aim for their feet most of the times
in map 2 at least
void vigil
yep, I think you’ve had to aim at shadows since bastion!
rotund wolf
Like re: maxing the mirror?
olive jungle
Well it is unfinished
there's likely going to be at least one more major zone
and who knows how pacing will change as areas are expanded and developed
radiant lantern
I for once, would appreciate something akin to Dead Cells that you either find secrets or beat bosses for more weapon choices/upgrades not just grind in map 1 for 12 hrs and max everything
rotund wolf
I don't feel like it would really fit this game
radiant lantern
yea, it wouldn't fit
rotund wolf
I get much more of an arcadey feel from this than dead cells
So like, the less stuff gated off the better
radiant lantern
but just a good way to diversify progression and that you can beat the game with just starter stuffs
this game I feel the 1st extra dash is kinda mandatory
in dead cells, you don't feel like you have to get that flask of health if at all
rotund wolf
Haha well they almost end up taking it away
radiant lantern
in boss fights, I can get away with just the base dash but in mob rounds, one dash is really hard to play with
2 dashes is mandatory in map 2 I feel
with how tanky mobs are and the little time between their start-ups and impact
the bloodless zombie is the one I can never react to
night turret
I'd say 2nd map need all 3. Crushers >_>
radiant lantern
yea, the map itself plays against the wall corner damage as well
rotund wolf
You can deflect them... Most of the time
zinc haven
I know there's zero chance they'll go through with such a radical change but I wish they completely reworked the dash
rotund wolf
Dunno if it's just my timing being wrong sometimes or
zinc haven
wish they went back with a more fluid bastion-style dodge
rotund wolf
If it is a weird hitbox thing
radiant lantern
the dash has a big backend delay
zinc haven
no i-frames, not instant, no recovery time after
radiant lantern
it's pretty instant I feel?
zinc haven
cause right now the game just revolves so much around dashing and hitting
on Bastion you had to think a lot more about positioning
radiant lantern
well it is a roguelite so that pretty much a given no?
zinc haven
but that also allowed enemies to be more deliberate and have diversified move patterns
radiant lantern
Rogue Legacy, Dead Cells, etc
zinc haven
Hades feels just like a swarm of bees due to how fast we can be
zinc haven
yeah, DC rolls are quite good
radiant lantern
dead cells roll feels OP at times
rotund wolf
In terms of iframes and action after
zinc haven
it's not an escape from prison card tho
radiant lantern
I mean surely, rolling -> death balls are simple kek
yea, the enemies to even the bosses just have 1-2 moves
1st boss have 3
unless you count the mob summons is one too
rotund wolf
Haha the way meg will just
Keep chasing you doing nothing
When she wants to to the melee ball
eternal vault
meg has 5 if you count the summons, right?
rotund wolf
Is pretty funny
zinc haven
I felt like the Transistor dash worked alright on that game where combat was supposed to be more tactical and turn-like even when playing in real time
eternal vault
but yeah I'm really excited for more complicated late game encounters!
like comparing the first dead cells boss to hotk
zinc haven
so it made sense to have an instant but with recovery time dash
eternal vault
I think the first boss has only 3 moves?
radiant lantern
Meg fight is just managing the mobs more than anything
rotund wolf
Four if you count damage barrier
zinc haven
This game is supposed to be all about combat yet I feel like Bastion had a deeper combat system
rotund wolf
I couldn't stand playing bastion for more than half an hour so idk
radiant lantern
the speed in which it attacks sub 25% is kinda insane
zinc haven
geez
radiant lantern
and truth be told, it almost always took me damage racing in 4 cells mode than being tactical about the last part of the fight
tbf, 4 cells mode is where you just insta gib mobs and they 2 shot you
rotund wolf
Rampart shield is the only thing that made it possible for me
zinc haven
how could you not stand bastion? what do you find that unsatisfying?
radiant lantern
why use shield when you can use cursed sword \o/
rotund wolf
I can't really remember because it was so long ago
zinc haven
Cause I love how you can have an AoE weapon, a single target DPS one, a shield with parry, rolling and an OP special you need to consume a charge to use
olive jungle
hey guys, if we're not talking about hades anymore, please take this to #off-topic-discussion or the general #supergiant-games channel!
zinc haven
most of my Hades playthroughs involve getting a boon that makes one of my moves higher in DPS than any other - no matter what enemy or if AoE or single target
and then dodge dodge attack attack
karmic trellis
I used to do that but playing 60 heat has made me appreciate successive hit boons, Ares and Zues
they make all the difference with shields
radiant lantern
I like Ares attack boon the most
I can fit in just one attacks in my rotation
to skip out a lot of backend animation to burst the hydra for example
casting, special with spear
just cycle really
karmic trellis
hmm I really like Zeus gets so powerful with synergies
also Ares rifts with extra time gets really fun
I've had 15+ rifts filling the screen X D
radiant lantern
Ares rift is really strong imo
the best thing about it is that it doesn't fly off the screen if you miss
zinc haven
I mean... what you guys described is sort of what I've mentioned
you get one good move and you play around it
radiant lantern
also how rare is Legendary boon?
karmic trellis
its not rare its unlocked
radiant lantern
I got Artemis legendary once
karmic trellis
see the wiki
zinc haven
it's not only about rarity, legendary boons can only appear if you have certain pre-requisite boons
radiant lantern
oh
digital lava
Yeah, sure, Raf, the game is built around synergy. So it's always going to be more powerful to put as much power as possible into one button.
karmic trellis
you need to get certain tier 1 boons to get a tier 2 and you need tier 2 for tier 3 (legnd)
zinc haven
That's the opposite of sinergy, Steven
rotund wolf
it is somewhat rare as well
digital lava
Until some boons appear that do stuff like "Your special attack makes you next three regular attacks do bonus damage." or something.
rotund wolf
I've had the prerequisites for a legendary boon before and only was offered two non-legendary boons
digital lava
I mean, synergy between boons. Not between abilities.
zinc haven
Sinergy is how now cast makes targets more vulnerable to damage and there's an actual point on combining it with moves
radiant lantern
that's the completely opposite of synergy is @digital lava
zinc haven
that was a nice change
radiant lantern
boons don't stack on one buttons
zinc haven
I really feel like a special should be... special
digital lava
Upgrades then, Jesus.
zinc haven
have it on a big cooldown and use for critical moments. Judge when they are needed the most
zinc haven
limited recoverable ammo is different to cooldown gating
rotund wolf
it's just not that type of game
digital lava
Anyway, if you want builds that aren't focused around like "Just attack" or "just cast" or "just special" then probably something like I mentioned is what's needed.
zinc haven
cause limmited recoverable ammo, if still the highest DPS, incentivizes you to spam it and recover the ammo non stop
digital lava
Boons / upgrades that work on multiple abilities and link them somehow.
zinc haven
a cooldown gate means after you've used it you gotta work with the rest of your kit while it recharges
digital lava
So like, yes "Your cast makes enemies vulnerable" or "your dodge makes your attacks crit" would count. or "Your specials make your attacks faster" or something
radiant lantern
cast is more punishing than just cd gate
rotund wolf
I know the blade rifts benefit for both dash and cast with the other boons
and the artemis crit helps across abilities
radiant lantern
if you didn't have the right aim, that's an ammo lost till the end of combat sometimes
rotund wolf
I think the zeus legendary works for both attack and cast?
zinc haven
but Moe, I'm not talking about punishment for use
What makes cast being necessarily not that strong is the fact that you can recover it by killing the enemy struck with it
that creates an incentive to use it all on one and get them back
Cooldown abilities wouldn't recharge faster by killing a single enemy so that makes no incentives for a thoughtless system
egg
on the patch before
most weapons were weaker in comparison to cast
So whenever zeus cast was my first boon
I'd literally clear every room until the first bomb/dive skellys
with the old 4 ammo system
by bouncing them around and recovering ammo
rotund wolf
that's still p much the case with an early zeus cast boon
zinc haven
If, for exemple cast was on a "rage metter" refillable with regular attacks
it'd have a nice incentive to use regular attacks in between so you refill it
But by having recoverable ammo an unsolvable conundrum arises:
make it too weak and there's no point in using it versus attacking
make it too strong and you can kill most mobs to recover ammo
so when you had 4 charges your DPS was higher if you'd spam cast non stop and attack on rare ocasions where casting wasn't enough till you get ammo back
or you focused on attack boons which work better against bosses
but then casting would literally lower your DPS
(thankfully that was solved with the new mirror ability making cast apply vulnerability)
radiant lantern
that's why I prefer Ares boon attack so I can just fit in one attack between my spamage of casts and specials
rotating attacks is much better dps wise
rotund wolf
haha meanwhile I mostly just forget to use casts and never use specials
rotund wolf
just dash, shoot, dash, shoot
zinc haven
yeah but you can't "address" and have a general design question by saying you'll exclusively go for a single strat specially playing an RNG game
radiant lantern
you can almost weave your attacks like a flow
zinc haven
Properly addressing it with a cooldown, non recoverable ammo or cooldown system would make every type of strat viable
radiant lantern
I also like shield very much, it works similar to spear just shorter range but technically more damage
radiant lantern
still rotate attacks, specials and casts for me
radiant tangle
I keep thinking of more people to add to my name. Why does this game have so many smoochable characters? Just make it a dating sim already
alpine stratus
in the last patch zag goes "(character), i have someone id like you to meet" and then they both turn to you, and its spooookyyy
(THIS IS A WILD GUESS JOKE)
radiant tangle
I do like that whenever you gift something to Artemis, Aphrodite, Dusa, AND Achilles they all take it as you trying to woo them
Artemis: You realize I'm not interested in you, right?
Aphrodite: I'm actually married.
Achilles: I'm flattered, but my heart belongs to another.
Dusa: Fangirlish squeal
hexed smelt
hey, hey, when i gave gifts to achilles i actually was trying to woo him 😭
radiant tangle
Now to get Charon to notice my advances 🤔
alpine stratus
charon: hhhhrrrrrrrghhghghhhhhhh
zag: thats 'i love you' in dinosaur, right?
void vigil
KAM
alpine stratus
:3
radiant tangle
Canon
night turret
...Sometimes people are just too gay for their own good.
Wait, that's not... brb gotta hit some dictionaries.
alpine stratus
you can never be too gay 
thin beacon
the song is too powerful it broke my yt https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/485456035859922974/542716695656136747/unknown.png
alpine stratus
its secret music
vale kite
undertale mix
rotund wolf
if only
alpine stratus
megalon't look back
eternal vault
I keep syncing up lament of orpheus with "in circles" in my head
alpine stratus
SAME
sick tree
Just had a thought, currently:
You can only give Hades himself one ambrosia bottle but he doesn't reprise the gift, like everyone else does.
However: the codex clearly shows he has the same number of hearts as everyone else, so we'll presumably be given the opportunity to unlock those in the same way, in some future update
So, what do you suppose will happen when we get it to max?, or reach any mile Stone really
radiant tangle
I think he'll have a keepsake eventually, same as other gods that have yet to be added
burnt pond
I would imagine just more dialogue and interactions.
And yes, possibly an eventual keepsake.
radiant tangle
I wanna see what happens when we get Cerberus to max friendship
burnt pond
Though I wonder what it would take to get to that point, to make Hades actually want to help his son from a lore standpoint.
He is an even GOODER BOYE
radiant tangle
Summom for the final boss fight, Dark Souls style
burnt pond
Like summoning Sif on Manus 
radiant tangle
Exactly
sick tree
I think he'll give us a keepsake at some point but not until we reach the end of the track, rather than right way, like everyone else
What about his helmet of invisibility?!
No idea how it would work mechanically but you guys can fugure that out
As for the dialogue and unique event it unlocks
|| like that cute little dinner date you have with Dusa or that conversation you have with Achilles about Patroclus #FindPatroclus ||
I would love it if Zag convinced him to tell us more about ||Persephone||
radiant tangle
||You mean dinner date with Achilles|| That's a great idea!
brisk trail
Maybe Hades' gift is the new game +
burnt pond
That is what I was thinking.
Or perhaps it would be something that grants you a benefit for a tradeoff.
radiant tangle
Like the pacts?
brisk trail
Like the myrmidon brace
burnt pond
Yeah similar to that.
radiant tangle
Ooooh, cool
candid veldt
Why isn't Charon giving us a lift when we die?
sick tree
Maybe he does, and that's why we lose all our money but not our items @candid veldt
night turret
Cuz we have "Face-plant-o-tron-warpomatic"
sick tree
Money gouging tosser 
candid veldt
That actually makes sense
night turret
We need no boats
And i'm betting that all the money are just lying in that bloody pool
sick tree
No one else in the underworld uses money, like at all
So what does Charon use it all for?!
My theory is that he uses half of it to take really expense holidays on the surface world and uses the other half to hire someone to cover for him while he's away
I mean, he's completely hidden under that cloak and he never speaks,
How do we even know the Charon we just saw is the same guy as the last one?
tulip lava
I think he eats the obols
brisk trail
...crunchy
tulip lava
cronch!
hexed smelt
scrooge mcduck
fiery pebble
Charon is just a hoarder
In fact
Headcanon: Charon is in truth a dragon
Which is also why he only grunts instead of talking
burnt pond
But dragons are wicked smart and can often speak. You ever hear of Smaug?
rigid grotto
wait who out here spreading lies that dragons can't talk
don't they speak draconic?
burnt pond
I mean it depends on who you ask. Maybe their backstory has them growing up in a human orphanage and they didn't learn it as a child.
sterile peak
yeah dragons speak draconic, sometimes more languages based on how high they rolled on their Intelligence score
sick tree
Woo!!~~ D&D references~
burnt pond
I mean probably Celestial and/or Undercommon in this game.
sick tree
(sigh) Why do I still not have permission to use the #hades-feedback thread?
I've read all the pinned comments, I've gone to #bot-commands and given myself both the Early Access rank and the Hades rank
radiant tangle
That thread is locked to everyone atm
sick tree
...Why?
radiant tangle
It's explained in the latest message in the channel
sick tree
Hmm, okay
Has anyone given feedback about lots of Skullomats spawning in one wave and swarming the player with dozens of Numbskulls so I can up-vote that then?
prisma wind
Not sure, but you can always search for that using Ctrl+F in the feedback channel
alpine stratus
i doubt theres use in upvoting anything now, it's locked because it's been like, observed and judged ykno?
the next patch is in like 6 days, if its still a problem in that one, a fresh feedback might work better
sick tree
It has been bugging me for ages and I haven't heard many other people complaining about it but something just struck me that might give a little more insight into why it's an issue
I just want to get it off my chest, to be honest
karmic basalt
i think i've seen ppl mention how unfun that is before, but idk where in the feedback channel it is by now
flint gust
It was mentioned and they said theyre addressing it in the next patch
sick tree
ctrl+F-ed the problem, thanks guys
No one covered my point exactly but I think SGG got the message
Back to the game now, bye
dark tusk
Been a while since i checked up on hades, what have i missed? I will probably pop in when i hear updates are coming, since i don't have the game
errant torrent
olive jungle
A silhouette was posted in #announcements . That's just the most popular current theory
I've seen a couple other names bandied around too but
brisk trail
guess we’ll just have to wait and see
dark tusk
I've seen them on twitter like it when people guessed dionysus so i'm guessing that too
question is what does he do in game
void vigil
I think they’re just liking a lot of tweets 😅
I mean, someone asked if it’s sans from undertale and they liked it lol
olive jungle
yeah, kam said it was amelie from that one my brother my brother and me bit and they liked it lmao
they're not gonna give away their own upcoming content, that would defeat the point of the hype!
void vigil
maybe it is going to be sans and we are all clowns
frosty mountain
thin beacon
feels like dionysus gonna throw u a party and serve u some wine
rotund wolf
I was thinking more about what he could possibly do and
more and more I am coming around to the idea of a slowing debuff
somber quiver
Some sort of enrage trait would fit thematically but seems too close to charm gameplay wise
Slow would make sense gameplay wise and seems more realistic than poison damage. as tier 3 maybe something that promotes fighting aggressively like staying close to enemies or killing enemies in quick succession?
'Dead enemies explode' already exists iirc so probably staying close, either as damage buff or damage aura?
small lake
maybe a temporary damage boost when you take a hit, to encourage a sort of berserker playstyle?
radiant tangle
That also kind of exists in the Vengeance boons
radiant tangle
Especially on Wicthes and Brimstones
rotund wolf
I was assuming like attack speed slow
mighty girder
So TIL you can hit negative darkness through the pawn vendor.
Not sure if intended or not. You go into - digits and keep all mirror investments.
Was gonna hit feedback but guess not lol.
fiery pebble
Does that mean that Zag at that point has a light amount of debt?
alpine stratus
vale kite
void vigil
@mighty girder that sounds like a bug, not feedback! You can submit a bug report by pressing F10 while in-game.
pliant hound
Hades has gained sentience! He's going after saves, forcing us into the perfect hell.
somber quiver
projectiles from slowed enemies could be slowed, that would make it reasonably relevant
any words on a daily mode? there seems to be a significant effort to keep determinism in the scripts
balmy valve
I'm placing my bet on the Silouhette being Demeter
flint gust
Does disc have a poll function?
eternal vault
I don't think so but would it be fun if someone made a google poll and linked it?
idk how much interest there'd be in seeing what the most popular silhouette guesses are in pure numbers but if more than like 3 people would vote I'd be happy to put one together
assuming no one else has done something like it already.......
eternal vault
I mean you could always just make a graph after!
what have the theories been besides dionysus and demeter?
🍇 and 🌱, I mean
amelie, sans undertale
someone else said persephone
🥚💀🌸
I'm also seeing hera and hestia
💍🔥
ok what do y'all think
sick tree
Hey internet humans,
Does anyone know of a general term for all the various dragons, monsters and other such beasties in Greek mythology?
I'm writing something about them and I'd really like a cool-sounding word for them, collectively
rotund wolf
cryptids?
sick tree
That isn't as generic as monsters, of course
burnt pond
I mean you could call them things like "lower beings"
Since in a lot of old mythologies, they considered anything that wasn't something like the humans, Gods, or spirits and the like to be of a different order.
Mostly based on if they possessed human level intelligence, as opposed to being driven by things like just instincts like most monsters and beasts.
Or you could use a different synonym for beings, like entity.
sick tree
Eeh... Doesn't quite fit
burnt pond
Are you trying to just get everything besides humans and gods?
I think you are best off splitting it into two categories, one for beasts/dragons/hydras and the like, and one for the more monstrous beings.
Like the Gorgons aren't exactly beasts.
That way you can have a couple terms and end up with something a bit less generic, but not as wordy as something longer.
could also do hoi polloi
Which in English has a bit of a different connotation, but in the Greek from which it came was supposed to mean "the masses" or "the people"
Well good luck!
sick tree
Eeeh, I need an umbrella term for all monstrous creatures
I have actually divided them up into two categories,
Fiends, which are the small monsters, of which their are many
And Demons: which are much bigger, more dangerous and are all unique
But I'd like a more distinctly Greek term for both
Collectively, I mean
brisk trail
i don't think i've ever heard of one term for all of them
sick tree
I could always use the Japanese term Yokai since that's used as a collective term for pretty much all their beasties and badies
But I was hoping for an alternative
sterile peak
don't think there is a collective term other than "monsters"
brisk trail
aren't yokai specifically japanese tho
lime hinge
Monsters and legendary monsters.
And yeah, yokai is specifically Japanese.
Another possibility stolen from Scion 2e is 'Monsters and Denizens.'
The terrible version is Pet Material vs. Spouse Material.
radiant tangle
Feels weird to call humanoids pet material tho :/
lime hinge
What? No. That's the Spouse Material.
radiant tangle
Implying the Hydra isn't spouse material
lime hinge
The hydra is a non-sapient entity, it can't give informed consent.
fiery pebble
Right, you need to apply the Harkness test
brisk trail
idk i kinda like it
lime hinge
and another server has gotten into "Assuming that it is sapient, what if only some of the heads consent?"
alpine stratus
ok just so you know were watching this convo like hawks so like. youre walking a tightrope here, keep it clean
fiery pebble
A fascinating question
lime hinge
I understand.
alpine stratus
thanks
fiery pebble
My guess would be thats a no-go
lime hinge
Yeah, that was the general agreement, since if they don't remember anything after a head is removed, that'd imply that the new heads are children and you can see why that's a bad one.
And if it's they remember, it'd be force.
brisk trail
i don't think this should be continued
lime hinge
Anyway hence me saying Monsters (for 'beasts') and Denizens for humanoid.
alpine stratus
this is a very interesting conversation that is probably best for your dms, yes.
lime hinge
nods.
fiery pebble
Instead lets talk about a much more interesting question
Do the Hydras heads infinitely regenerate, and if so
Are they an infinite supply or Cerberus treats?
olive jungle
oh my god.
alpine stratus
i assume its the same hydra each time
lime hinge
does the well actually voice
alpine stratus
like it goes thru its own corner of the styx pool
lime hinge
Yes.
olive jungle
honestly somebody said once that the hydra should come back through the blood pool when it dies
alpine stratus
IT SHOULD