digital lava
The new Artemis art is great.
#h1-discussion
bleak sandal
solar coral
I still haven’t seen it in game
bleak sandal
Still best
solar coral
Rng just hates me
alpine stratus
@devout plinth meg and ares talkin about the thrill of killing and zag is like yeah i sliced up a lout real good and meg is like..........thats a ghost zag
devout plinth
“Did you bathe in its blood? Didn’t think so, poser”
ORPHEUS JAMMIN OUT TO POSTPUNK ON HIS LYRE
alpine stratus
YEEEEEAHHHHH
devout plinth
fhhffy orpheus gets up on stage and strums his electric lyre once “I hear the voice of a preacher from the back room”
the crowd goes bonkers
(the bleachers are an orpheus rock au band and you can’t convince me otherwise)
livid cargo
hades cast sings a song when
devout plinth
Hades! On Broadway
livid cargo
Zagilton, now on Broadway
devout plinth
OH YOU FOUND IT... THE ONE
livid cargo
what is this hadestown
hidden blade
Hello, after I use the skulls in Pact of Punishment, can I reset them or should I start a new game? sorry for google translate
devout plinth
My Shot is a zag mood already
livid cargo
you can reset them, Tachankin
you aren't locked into making the run harder, no
or at leas tthe rest of the game harder
hidden blade
I could not find where I could reset it
could you help me?
livid cargo
did you use the Pact to increase the difficulty and want to know how to reverse that?
hidden blade
Yes, I would like to cancel
livid cargo
you can't cancel it in the middle of a run, you'd have to do a new run
hidden blade
oh, I was afraid of that, did not want to start a new race, I just started to swing the mirror
thanks for the answer
pseudo chasm
welp poseidon runs are dead to me now. Got Tempest Strike, fed Poms to it to throw wreches around with the Aegis. Got Second Wave. Started having fun. right up until flying enemies in asphodel. Threw a gorgon head right out of the arena, and now she's nowhere to be seen. So now im stuck with no way to continue the run. #FeelsZagMan
livid cargo
They'll probably fix that soonish
frigid jackal
is it normal that since the last update all my progress is gone?
olive jungle
That shouldn't be the case, no...did your computer crash at any point during a game?
frigid jackal
nope
frosty mountain
hello, can someone tell me in how many hours the ama is?
timezones are confusing ok
brisk trail
👀
fiery pebble
3 hours and 5 minutes I believe
frosty mountain
thanks my man
olive jungle
@frigid jackal I'd suggest posting in #h1-tech-support with as many details as possible; hopefully an engineer will be able to help you out once SGG is up
woops ^^;
brisk trail
sure i will dm you it :3
frosty mountain
please do 😃
brisk trail
just @ me when you ask it so its easy for me to find it back
frosty mountain
alright
scarlet cedar
@analog mantle i think bow special is good but specials as whole need rework. Now you either go special or attack and I think they should be situational. Fe. you should use bow special when there are many enemies and you know you won't be able to clear them with you attack
frosty mountain
this is probably a discussion for #h1-builds-and-combat
I'd love to contribute as well
peak creek
Q&A in half an hour
humble pollen
Hype!
merry jacinth
Nice video essay from GMTK's Mark Brown featuring Hades 😃
It includes criticism about the persistent upgrades in it, but also tells that it's ultimately a lore-focused game so it's not too bad
merry jacinth
I mean from a pure gameplay's perspective, his argument is solid ; but of course everyone is entitled to their personal liking
amber geyser
Not having any tipe of progress will make most of people stop playing
merry jacinth
I kind of agree with him but still find Hades enjoyable
You should watch the vid, he actually provides insights about how game developers can (and do) come up with ways to implement some kind of "progress" in roguelites to make them more enjoyable and avoid the flaws that it might imply 😃
Mentioning Isaac and Gungeon for instance
brisk trail
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fiery pebble
14 minutes
brisk trail
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frosty mountain
what we asking the supergiant boys, fellas
brisk trail
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frosty mountain
any good questions on your minds?
fiery pebble
A number of them, yes
brisk trail
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fiery pebble
If there are plans to make pacts give some additional stuff, what their plans are with the major content updates (And if this one is indicative of what we should expect), if there are plans to rework boons to increase variety per run
If we can get new pacts that add challenge without being tedious
frosty mountain
hmm
I thought I'd ask amir about meta progression systems
and if we can expect any that increase variety in runs
arctic cave
Eh, I'm not sure I agree with the video. It makes it sound like all there is is the lore to look forward to.
frosty mountain
but I don't wanna mix feedback with the question, might end up a bit obnoxious
I mean, at the end, the mirror is showcased as an example of a meta-progression that adds power to the player
merry jacinth
@arctic cave I think the point is that lore being an important part of the game, it makes it not too bad that there's a bit of grinding given that you're also motivated by the lore progression and not just winning the game
That'd mean that "overly perfect" gameplay can be detrimental to the lore, which is an interesting perspective
frosty mountain
what do you mean by that?
frosty mountain
same, I think
arctic cave
Traditional Underworlds have quite a few more
amber geyser
With maybe some secret ending
vale kite
scrambling to come up with a pertinent question in 6 minutes
arctic cave
But we'll see
frosty mountain
3 would feel a bit too short imo
arctic cave
Maybe 3 with a chosen ending world?
amber geyser
I kinda expect some special ending depending of the boons you get
merry jacinth
I'm not sure, just came up with that, but if your game is only thought through a gameplay perspective, it might make it difficult to "tell a story" -- but ludologues would say that you should tell a story through gameplay and not through text like Supergiant does
arctic cave
That would mean your ending is determined a lot by RNG, not your choice
amber geyser
Or at least something special if you pick to much chaos boons
You have the keepsakes
eager rover
SGG be like 
waxen kayak
Wow, that Q&A channel is on fire
They have their work cut out for them
"Hades has been delayed due to the SG team still, after many weeks, answering questions in their scheduled Q&A"
vale kite
actually came up with a genuinely pertinent question and i hope they answer it for the greater good
waxen kayak
I just asked about endgame and merch. Nothing that can't be looked over
velvet lion
why would there be a ng+ for a roguelike?
eager rover
@velvet lion you could add a darkness multiplier
eager rover
On a new game plus, earn 20% more darkness
velvet lion
also the game already has a system for finishing multiple runs, don't really need a ng+
safe lodge
I missed my chance to ask. I was almost done typing. 
worn gale
let's all apreciate Morgan for playing Hades right now :)))
ancient elk
Commitment lmaoo
fiery pebble
Alright, so theyre planning to get all the systems for full runs in place first, then iterate more on the boons
Sounds good
sick tree
Soooo... they are adding all 12 Olympians right...? Right?!
pliant tulip
What constitutes a full run though?
fiery pebble
All of the biomes, rooms, bosses and base mechanics
So gods and weapons too I imagine
slow ravine
That GMT video pretty well matches my own view on permanent upgrades in roguelikes. Not really a fan of the mirror.
sick tree
Then don't use it.
pliant tulip
So when they mention on waiting to expand on boons until the complete run is done, does that mean that they won't add any more Gods and their respective boons until the core story is wrapped up or that they won't go more in-depth with the boon system until after all the Gods and the main story is added in.
Mirror is optional
fiery pebble
No I imagine they will add the gods
The focus is implementing everything, before doing big changes to it, if I get it right
slow ravine
@sick tree That's one hell of a non sequitur
The issue involves both having much stronger abilities after grinding, and weaker abilities from not doing so.
ancient elk
Damn they really do plan ahead, chaos was meant to be in the 4th update
pliant tulip
Well, I mean even before early access, they were unsatisfied with the blood gates
wet flume
what if Ashley was the voice of the court bard that I cant remember the name of because I am too excited by the idea
like you finally get her to sing and its Ashley
wet flume
Orpheus is quite androgenous
sick tree
Seriously though, If you wanna throw yourself endlessly at a proverbial wall until you finally have the raw skill (and a lot of luck) for that one perfect run, with no mechanical progression between your first and last try's, go ahead
There's nothing stopping you
slow ravine
Right, but I'm making a statement about the progression, not that I believe the un-upgraded state of play is 'best'.
pliant tulip
Debatable, but he's a male in-game, in-myth, and his voice actor is male.
Just wait for Eurydice, Orpheus' wife and muse
They would make a fantastic duet
Cloudbank?
wet flume
vale kite
ITS ALL CONNECTED
wet flume
its the Transistor city
pliant tulip
Ahh
devout plinth
If you put your ear real close to the egg you can hear tiny Ashley Barret up pitched singing “IIIII WOOOOOONT SAAAVE YOOOOOUUUU”
fiery pebble
Oh I remember a question I forgot to ask
About how they came to the decision to go for a rather different Ares from the one most are familiar with
The angry and brash Ares
sick tree
@slow ravine - It's a matter of accessibility, there's nothing stopping you from playing how you like
I can respect your fondness for a more traditional form of perma-death but far fewer people would be playing Hades if the mirror wasn't included,
Some people, myself included, simply prefer the rogue-lite approach
You don't have to use or even like a certain mechanic to benefit from its inclusion, simply because it makes it more approachable for less hard-core players,
Extra Credits did two episodes on the Blue Shell from Mario Cart and the noob-tube in CoD arguing that exact point
vale kite
transistor takes place inside the cosmic egg: the beyonder crystal can be found in zag's room, which implies hades is part of the pyre universe or that pyre is part of the hades universe: from there, we can assume that the "war on the surface" mentioned by a few characters is the "bad ending" version of the rebellion against the commonwealth
THEREFORE,
wet flume
transistor and bastion are alternate realities of the same time period :o
they diverge at the war on the surface
velvet lion
or they just like to do references to their previous games?
wet flume
shhhhh, stop being realistic
wooden quartz
pyre being same universe as bastion WOULD be interesting, ngl
i could see it working
vale kite
my galaxy brain theories reign supreme
wooden quartz
styles are similar enough
vale kite
/s
slow ravine
I disagree that it helps accessibility. The state of the player's abilities at the start of the game can be frustrating to new players, at least in a few cases that I've seen. When meta-progression is introduced, you can expect the difficulty to be tuned such that an average player will gain enough meta-upgrades to reasonably beat the game after the intended number of runs. This would be fine, except that the experience can be seen as frustrating to a player who knows this, and is grinding rooms for darkness, instead of grinding runs to learn.
wet flume
unless the game is designed to be able to be beaten with no upgrades and upgrades makes it easier
slow ravine
Which is basically the same view espoused by GMT.
@wet flume That will never be the case, especially in a game that has a good reason to ensure the player completes X number of runs like Hades.
wanton hare
wet flume
other people did, Sora, dont worry
slow ravine
I still think that a target number of runs to win can be attained without meta-upgrades, though the spread would probably be much higher.
sick tree
SGG want this game to be enjoyed by as many people as possible, not just those with the patience for traditional Rogue-likes
not to say one is "better" than the other, but one is quantifiably easier to complete for players with lower skill, time or even some form of disability,
Yeah, it can make it feel kinda grind-y but I think that's preferable to just reaching a point where you physically can't progress any further because you lack the skill or dexterity to overcome a challenge and don't have a progression system to help
You don't have to use it, but it's there
slow ravine
There are other ways to accomplish that; difficulty modes, whether available from the start, or unlockable, for example.
For accessibility, forcing a grind isn't a particularly good solution, really.
pliant tulip
The game itself naturally creates a grind
karmic basalt
they might add and adjust stuff more in the future it's a bit early to tell rn
pliant tulip
You're constantly trying to get out and accumulate Darkness as such
slow ravine
I should also mention that I'm not saying they absolutely totally need to remove darkness, etc etc, just that I don't think it's a particularly good mechanic.
half surge
Seeing the amount of vertical progression upgrades can put off players
sick tree
Well, I'd argue that's what the mirror and pact of punishment are for:
You want it to be easier: use the mirror
You want it harder: use the pact
half surge
It happened to a streamer I watched who loves roguelikes and plays a lot of them
slow ravine
Oh, I like the extra difficulty mechanics SGG uses in their games. I think they're some of the best.
half surge
He was getting frustrated because in his own words it felt like "I may as well die right now just so I can get upgrades and have a chance at progressing"
pliant tulip
Mmm, they mentioned that they wanted specifically to draw more attention to the chthonic gods which is sweet.
slow ravine
I think the mirror being the opposite of that, in a way, is a bad thing.
pliant tulip
What isn't is the possibility of more status ailments
half surge
And also with the amount of roguelikes he played it was tiring to grind to progress
Obviously you can clear the game with no upgrades. But this is from a new player's perspective
karmic basalt
i enjoy it but itd be nice to have additional stuff with it bc some of my friends do have trouble w the game sometimes
I'm also not particularly good at the game tho I'm new to the genre 😂 darkness helped a lot tho
I didnt mind the darkness upgrade tho bc I still had fun testing stuff out and trying to lose less hp from room to room, but dying wouldn't be a waste either bc I could upgrade or talk to NPCs, so I felt less bad about sucking haha
pliant tulip
You have to remember that Hades is a narrative based game
It's not meant to be completed in one run
Several story events are locked behind number of runs
And you can only give one ambrosia to a person per run as well
There's a natural progression there
sick tree
Picking Easy, Medium or Hard at the beginning would be much less compelling because picking easy makes you feel as though you're doing something wrong, you're not having the intended experience
Plus, most games don't explain the difference between Easy, medium and hard
slow ravine
I mentioned that previously; I still don't think that's a good reason to add darkness. Because by that logic, you're purposefully making the game easier once you feel they've progressed the story enough.
half surge
I don't get why that's relevant arcadian
I'm not talking about beating the game in one run
slow ravine
(that's @pliant tulip )
pliant tulip
It's not just story progression but game progression as well
half surge
Also narrative shouldn't detract from a player's experience of actually playing the game. Artificial restrictions on gameplay because of the story are a terrible idea
And they're mostly not there.
pliant tulip
By the time they get those unlocks, they will have learned more to progress farther
sick tree
But it's a players decision, they control to difficulty curve rather than having one assigned to them
karmic basalt
having an easy mode is just like. nice for ppl who want it. I'm glad it was there in bastion bc my friend is really bad at games but wanted to try and beat it for the story.
pliant tulip
They player can proceed farther than by virtue of both knowing more about the enemies and being more powerful
pliant tulip
Death is part of the narrative
slow ravine
@sick tree If a player started the game with that choice, I wouldn't have an issue with it, really. It would turn the mirror into a difficulty modifier tool, in effect.
slow ravine
But if that were done, I think we all know the values would be tuned completely differently.
pliant tulip
The whole story is about escaping from the Underworld, dying, and starting over
wooden quartz
i want a fully fleshed out celeste-like assist mode, honestly. i have some big coordination and anxiety issues and although i can often get to a certain point in a game, it takes me about 5 times longer than a normal player to finish something considerably difficult.
sometimes, i can't even finish something.
like the secret boss in splatoon 2 octo expansion.
sick tree
But if they pick the difficulty before they've even played it, like in most games,
They won't know what changes and to what extent,
They don't have anything to base their decission on yet
karmic basalt
is that bad tho? I dont understand sry
slow ravine
Yeah, I'm not seeing it either
pliant tulip
Well, they just addressed the difficulty and easy mode question
karmic basalt
like why does it matter how other ppl prefer to play the game? I'm genuinely confused
slender linden
let 👏🏻 people 👏🏻 play 👏🏻 games 👏🏻 how 👏🏻 they 👏🏻 want
slow ravine
Oh snap, gotta catch up on the ask thread
pliant tulip
Yeah, what that guy said!
wooden quartz
see the gmtk vid on difficulty to see why difficulty screens are problematic design
pliant tulip
Let they play with a scythe!
slender linden
pronoun roles are a thing for a reason xD
pliant tulip
But GMTK is the reason why we're arguing to begin with. pedantic
slender linden
but yeah, so what if some people default to easy mode without trying the normal difficulty first?
sick tree
Someone might enjoy the game more at normal but choose easy because they're not confident in their skill
or pick normal (because that's how the game is "meant" to be played, easy is just for babies) even though they'd actually enjoy easy more
slender linden
it's not like it's gonna affect you in any way
slender linden
accessibility is a nice thing
wooden quartz
to a new player
slender linden
clarity for what
wooden quartz
as to what the difficulty means
pliant tulip
Difficulty selection locks you into a select difficulty before you even experience how the game is
slender linden
well if they feel the game is too easy, they can crank it up
pliant tulip
That's if the game allows it
slow ravine
@pliant tulip Plenty of games let you change difficulty on the fly.
slender linden
like in supergiant games im pretty sure you could just switch between them whenever you wanted?
pliant tulip
Some yes
sick tree
Yeah, but accessibility should be malleable and controlled by the player through the game, not just one decision before you even start
slow ravine
This one does, too. But only after you've played it enough to unlock non-hardmode.
Because, really, that's what the mirror does.
slender linden
some people don't care about the 'experience how the game is' and they just want to play it on easy to destress
pliant tulip
Mirror isn't just ok, game is hard, let me switch to easy mode though
plain plinth
^
wooden quartz
say somebody likes an element of a game, but a difficulty strips that away
pliant tulip
Getting upgrades is fun
slender linden
yep
pliant tulip
Getting stronger is fun
wooden quartz
look at the project diva games - a lot of the fun is the multiple button presses
but normal and up can be very difficult
pliant tulip
Skill isn't a constant though
wooden quartz
at least for new palyers
unfortunately, easy mode locks you to only one button prompt
slender linden
not all gamers are like, game gods with impossible apm and coordination
wooden quartz
this is the issue with difficulty levels
pliant tulip
Sometimes you're playing perfectly. Other times you have two left hands
wooden quartz
and why granular difficulty settings, and especially optional assist features, are important
and why difficult levels as a concept should be dropped
spice stag
just be patient and practice thats how improvment works anywherer
plain plinth
Unfortunately, you playing perfectly isn’t the same as someone’s “perfect play”
Someone can try their best and still not be able to complete the game
Which can feel really sucky
slender linden
some people have wrist/grip issues and cant be 'good' at video games even if they really try and want to
it's really sad when single player games, when balance and difficulty isnt dictated by other players, are impossibly hard for no reason
pliant tulip
That's what adaptive settings are for.
slender linden
without means to make it easier
spice stag
like my friend beat the hydra after 3 hours, while ive only beat meg once, but instead of focusing on how much you suck, lok at it as a chalenge and how u can improve. watching others play helps alot
pliant tulip
This isn't like a quick time event where the game forces you to push A too fast
When the person physically can't push the button fast enough
slender linden
ive gotten to hydra like once, first time after the new patch cuz it apparently made some things somehow easier to me
im at uhhh 65 attempts?
pliant tulip
The hydra boss was made easier by its projectiles being destroyable
obsidian hill
Followup from my question in the Q&A that just got answered about additional safe zones. I forgot to add that i meant additoinal "Hub" areas rather than 1 off encounters (Which i still really like). By hub i mean a place where there are multiple NPCs and that can act as a secondary "home base" type thing
pliant tulip
And I didn't get to him once until try 50ish
slender linden
see thats the thing. i actually didnt know you could destroy them :D
sick tree
It annoys me that people assume a player who's "bad" can or should just "Git Gud"
Some people don't have the time because they only play occasionally, to unwind
and some people have disabilities that make getting better at a certain thing impossible
arctic cave
Aren't all projectiles destroyable?
pliant tulip
Not lazers
wooden quartz
i feel like this conversation is coming from the same exact place looking over it
arctic cave
Well, yes
slender linden
and welp if i beat hydra its gonna be the cast build. i dont think i have any way of getting past it otherwise
pliant tulip
And Hydra wasn't pre-patch
arctic cave
Ah
slow ravine
Not the hydra ones, I don't think?
spice stag
im not saying get good, im at almost 150 trys and have only beat meg once
arctic cave
I almost beat the hydra with shield special ares level 2
slender linden
i tried xD
arctic cave
And a boatload of health
spice stag
i beat beg with tghe insta charge bow XD
pliant tulip
Oh yeah, I'm not a fan of her
arctic cave
But the shield special is very useful with curse
spice stag
and the dash crits
arctic cave
Since it applies it to multiple targets
wooden quartz
it seems like some people think its no difficulty or accessibilty vs vice versa
while some people are thinking its granular/modular/additonal accessibility and difficulty vs/ set difficulty levels
slender linden
@sick tree yes this exactly
wooden quartz
granular options are better than set levels for accessibility.
point blank.
this has been proven.
slender linden
the what options
arctic cave
By granular, you mean having different levels for damage, number of foes, etc
plain plinth
I.... dont know what that means
pliant tulip
But you don't have to get all the way to the Hydra and win to get satisfaction from Hades and unwind
spice stag
EXACTLY!
slender linden
yeah but it'd be nice to get past hydra at least once
pliant tulip
Even if you make a little progress, it can still be fun
slender linden
if you dont beat Meg, you don't get to hear more of Meg's dialogue
which for players who like lore is a loss
arctic cave
Which is a shame
pliant tulip
But players need to beat her first to even know that that's an option
spice stag
true, but at t5hat point thats whining about rougelikes in general. they are made for a duficulty curve
pliant tulip
And if they've done it before, they can do it again
arctic cave
Maybe once she's defeated once, she'll SOMETIMES appear in the lounge but if you defeat her on the run, she'll appear THAT TIME
slender linden
...
wooden quartz
spice stag
i cant wait to see who else they iontroduce tho Xd
slender linden
thats not the point
wooden quartz
@slender linden watch that video
arctic cave
Maybe once she's defeated once, she'll SOMETIMES appear in the lounge but if you defeat her on the run, she'll appear THAT TIME
pliant tulip
What's the point then?
arctic cave
100% chance of seeing her
slender linden
eh
spice stag
but WHy would she aPEAR
slender linden
just gimme easy mode
arctic cave
I'm a moderate: I make compromises that please no one
arctic cave
😃
spice stag
The only reasone she is there is because she died and had to respawn
arctic cave
That is true.
plain plinth
I think risu’s just saying that if it’s difficult to beat certain bosses or progress thru the game, it takes away the fun for certain people who play it for story, so tldr easy mode is nice for people who just kinda want to... enjoy... the story?
arctic cave
Is that true?
spice stag
i mean...fair
slender linden
yup
arctic cave
Maybe she doesn't feel like waiting on Zag's punk butt
slender linden
i think Zag has two different voice lines for when she's not there
spice stag
im a huge fan of roughlikes
spice stag
and they are very unforgiving and lack dificulty settings
plain plinth
Like i enjoy the game’s difficulty and also the lore stuff, but i can see where people who want easy mode r coming from as well
And the value of getting easy mode without having to make a million adjustments
slender linden
if you like roguelikes as they are, you just play on normal. or hard mode. no problem
wooden quartz
@slender linden the video goes over why giving players more specific difficulty options so they can set up and fine tune their own specific play is a better idea than forcing them into only 3 or 4 different set values for the entire experience
slender linden
you dont have to touch the easy mode
wooden quartz
assist modes are better than easy modes
slender linden
it's literally not doing anything to you
wooden quartz
again this isn't he conversation
slender linden
if you dont use the option
arctic cave
I don't find easy modes to hurt anything
spice stag
im just rambling honestly
slender linden
thats also a valid option @wooden quartz
pliant tulip
I'd say that it can hurt the experience
arctic cave
Why?
pliant tulip
Take Fire Emblem and Casual Mode
slender linden
who's experience
arctic cave
Be happy with what you did.
slender linden
is it hurting your experience when other people enjoy the games that are easier?
spice stag
but im just saying from a crators perspective i feellike easy mode would be kinda hard to implement, but its also in alfa, so thats expected?
slender linden
all their previous games have easy mode
fiery pebble
It can
arctic cave
Well, they can already change the values for # of foes and such
slender linden
i'm sure they'd manage
slender linden
i'm not expecting it in like, the next patch
just in finished version, it would be nice
sick tree
@slender linden - The mirror is your easy mode, granted, you do have to grind to get it to a level you like, which can be annoying but I still think it's preferable to Easy, normal, hard
because you have a chance to lean when you're grinding and may eventually discover you don't even need the "easy mode" anymore
arctic cave
The mirror is NOT easy mode
slender linden
the mirror doesn't help me as much as you'd expect
plain plinth
Sometimes people dont wanna finetune everything tho... and plus the mirror is only useable after 748375 runs if ur bad
slender linden
...wow
plain plinth
Im exaggerating it lmao
arctic cave
Well, what's "usable"?
slender linden
you cant exactly go to a doctor and say 'yo i cant play video games, fix me'
plain plinth
Sigh
The mirror becomes your “easy mode” after u collect around 2k darkness rite
sick tree
True, even with Mirror maxed out, it's still hard as hell (appropriately) but it's kinda meant to be
accessibility can only go so far before it undermines the game
I'd still like more mirror upgrades though
arctic cave
Which they said they will add
pliant tulip
sour tide
I'd like some weapon specific mirror upgrades
slender linden
it's not like the mirror will suddenly make me play better
plain plinth
Oooo i wanna make my spear overpowered
slender linden
it just, well, makes the game a bit easier
spice stag
like, maybe with easy mode have more health drops or lower damage numbers?
arctic cave
Is there a specific problem you are facing?
slender linden
i want the game experience to be more forgiving
arctic cave
Ah
pliant tulip
Grab the bow and play cautiously
slender linden
i hate the bow
spice stag
Wait, THEY DO?
arctic cave
Yeah
sour tide
Bow without rapid shot is some trash
pliant tulip
Use spear then
fiery pebble
Bow with rapid shot is some trash
arctic cave
Spear has a lot of range and decent damage
fiery pebble
Bow without rapid shot is the best weapon in the game
slender linden
i use spear
static escarp
Bows fine as long as you stack distance
arctic cave
Okay
pliant tulip
It stunlocks anything without armor
arctic cave
Let's see
slender linden
which feels cheap
pliant tulip
...cheap
arctic cave
You're not helping!
sour tide
Cast is great as long as it isn't Ares
slender linden
it's like easy mode but unfun xD
pliant tulip
And you've been complaining about how the game is hard, and it needs an easy mode
slender linden
i honestly dont think you can help me, i just suck
sick tree
@slender linden - An easy mode wouldn't either, you'd just know less about the difference between easy and normal
arctic cave
No, I get it
pliant tulip
But then you go and say you don't like the easy mode because it's unfun
slender linden
she*
arctic cave
She
plain plinth
Omg isnt risu just saying that refers to the spear cast combo
Not that shes negating their previous points about easy mode
slender linden
cast build isn't "easy mode"
arctic cave
So, for Risu's sake, yeah, I hope they add an easy mode. I don't see a good solution otherwise.
sour tide
If you just play the same weapon over and over and try things you should, eventually, figure things out since there isn't a mod to make things easier at the moment and there isn't an easy mode
pliant tulip
the lovelorn singer also does our taxes.
hahahaah!
sour tide
The only thing you can do is learn how to do a thing well
slender linden
yeah for now i'll just suffer
arctic cave
pats Risu on the back
pliant tulip
sigh
slender linden
thanks
listen im not the only one who wants easy mode
i hate when people gatekeep things
pliant tulip
You're saying "I suck, I can't get better" which is just defeatist
slender linden
i get it, dont play roguelikes when you suck at video games
spice stag
its not gatekeeping
slender linden
but if you like supergiant's other works
pliant tulip
I suck at games
slender linden
you might get lured anyway
spice stag
i saw hades add on youtube after i just beat trransistor for the 2nd tiome, and bought it right away XD
pliant tulip
Everyone starts off sucking, but they get better with experience and practice
slender linden
some people dont have time/attention span for practice
pliant tulip
It's not practice
slender linden
but k
sour tide
I don't think explaining methods to solve your problem without alterations to the game that has more pressing priorities is gate keeping, more of a sensible suggestion
pliant tulip
It's called playing a game because you like playing it
spice stag
then how do games get beat in the first place?
pliant tulip
And dying because you're bad and going back into it because it's fun
sour tide
The gate doesn't need to be kept if you already can't get through it
slender linden
where's the fun if you can't progress even if you try?
pliant tulip
And getting better because you keep on playing
spice stag
if your not improving even slightly, tyhe way your looking at the game is wrong
whenm you love what do u think
lose*
sour tide
Prioritize darkness pickups and keys on runs you know are doomed and buy upgrades in the mirror until things get smoother, not much else you can do about it
pliant tulip
'The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.'-
~The Myth of Sisyphus (A. Camus)
spice stag
^
@slender linden Look at the video. maybe that will help your experience
Also, zag should have a sythe XD
sick tree
@slender linden - I know how frustrating it can be when you can't get through a game you love or would love
I do hope they make the game easier to play so you and others can enjoy it fully
But I think it's better when that "easy mode" comes in the form of granular mechanics, like the mirror, rather than just a Easy, normal, hard choice
since it gives more control to the player and doesn't make them feel so bad about having to pick easy, instead of normal
wooden quartz
id like an additional assist mode, too, and not work off of gamified "balanced" stuff
see how celeste does it
slender linden
i've never felt bad about playing on easy instead of normal but ok xD
plain plinth
What if we had both easy mode and the mirror 👀!!!!!
slender linden
i guess you're right
plain plinth
Im joking i see your point
wooden quartz
easy mode should be in the form of assist mode, imo
spice stag
what does assist mode do?
slender linden
also yeah easy mode and the mirror
and later the pact
would be probably the best solution xD
sick tree
You might feel fine about picking easy but a lot of people pick normal then give up out of frustration rather than just lower the difficulty
spice stag
^
raw moth
yay I was the last question answered
raw moth
They definitely skipped a bit
slender linden
welp they didnt ping me
pliant tulip
Yeah, I noticed they were skipping around.
plain plinth
They answered mine and I’m glad to be giving olympians tentacle feet from now on. Amen
sick tree
People are just kinda stupid sometimes, you can't help it so you have to design around it
or just ignore them but that's kinda mean and usually results in less skilled players giving up on the game, which I'm sure you wouldn't want
The developers certainly don't, idiots have money too
XD
slender linden
welp i dropped hollow knight after several ragequits
Hades at least lets me check up on my girl Dusa and three best boys in da House
sick tree
Yeah, that game messes with my head too
slender linden
i dont think its even possible on m+kb xD
wooden quartz
@spice stag sorry for being a little late, but celeste includes an optional assist mode it lets you know of when you start the game, that makes sure you are aware before you enable it as it disables certain achievements
it's enabled per level, and it includes features ranging from simple difficulty parameters like most games tie to a difficulty level, but goes even further by offering options like completely changing the speed of the game, invincibility, amount of air dashes you can do, stamina amount, etc.
in hades there are a lot more parameters so it would be much more detailed
wooden quartz
but i imagine it'd involve things like the ability to control base damage multipliers, speed of game, amount of health, amount of death defiances, etc
while also involving more conventional things like enemy health, amount of enemies, damage done by enemies, etc.
slender linden
honestly hades itself isnt even that hard its just the swarms of enemies that are more annoyance than challenge, especially in Asphodel where everything has armor
spice stag
so...sandbox mode?
wooden quartz
it's a way to keep the experience intact by default while giving players the ability to give themselves a boost on things that just aren't working for you
slender linden
like i know the patterns. the problem starts when you cant see whats on the screen to even apply/recognize the patterns
wooden quartz
sandbox mode implies no goal and/or no way to progress to see the full experience
spice stag
i jmean, it implies whatever u want it to
if your messing with all the levels and numbers of everything, sandbox mode
wooden quartz
assist mode lets people who aren't able to experience the full game to experience the core of what the game is without beign turned away
plain plinth
Actually I did want to ask, did anybody experience a drop in performance after the major update? Or where’s the appropriate channel for this discussion
slender linden
sandbox story mode @_@
sick tree
Oh yeah!!, I think they should limit the number of skull-pile thingies that can spawn in each room so you don't get those insane swarms of the bastards
plain plinth
Sandbox story mode would be me keeping ares in the house of hades to annoy everytime i die
spice stag
hahahahaha XD thats rng
slender linden
i did but it might just be my laptop
spice stag
but the spear helps witht tHAT A LOT
slender linden
some things even spear cant deal with xD
plain plinth
Also re: performance, i guess its different for everyone
Im playing on a laptop as well
slender linden
the armor breaker is a must have for me
spice stag
NO.....NO.....no....it not true!
slender linden
and then i forget i have it
spice stag
spear fixes EVERYTHING!
swarms of enemies
sincgle target cc
single target damage
marage
school
it fixes everything
raw moth
I'm playing on a laptop as well but I guess it's an unfair battle since this laptop has a desktop GTX 1050 in it
sick tree
I had 5 armoured piles spawn, basically right next to each other, at once and within a few seconds I was dealing with roughly 20 skulls in a 1 by 1 square foot
spice stag
SPEAR!
sick tree
It haunts me when I close my eyes
slender linden
oof
inland gust
I’m still wanting to know if titans are going to be added to the game
sick tree
I went from 135 health to 20...
ancient elk
That 5 pile spawn in aspho is game ending
ancient elk
You can't just not use any other weapon in the game to take out one set of enemies 😂
sick tree
I hate the spear though...
sick tree
well, not hate but it's not my style so it messes with my head
spice stag
i mean......you can.......
spice stag
how so?
balmy sigil
I found a bug, took a screenshot of it, and didn't know that you have to press F10 to report the bug, is there any way I can still report the bug?
spice stag
what is your style then
plain plinth
Omg i love the spear (´ᗜ`) its my fave
Probably coz im too trigger happy so i just spam attacks
spice stag
um.........go to feedback and send it?
slender linden
xDD
spice stag
pear with long range spin and crit dashes
balmy sigil
thought we weren't supposed to send bug reports into feedback
slender linden
you could probably link this screenshot somewhere and then paste the link with the screenshot into the bug report box
and explain it there
ancient elk
I don't think so, especially as that would make the hammer to make the spin size bigger a bit useless
spice stag
there is one to increace spn range
and the artemis one that gives you crits after dashes
ancient elk
Not guaranteed anymore tho rip
spice stag
true
i want to take a lifedrinker + ares sword build
its kinda dumb
but is lifedrinker even a thing anymore?
sick tree
@spice stag - I use the shield mostly because it has a decent melee, the special hits several targets and can hit enemies around corners which is super handy when fighting those armoured fat guys,
granted, you can't attack until it comes back but that's why I get Zeus' dash boon
When I use the spear, I try to do the same kinda thing but constantly forget to account for the fact it stops you from running when you throw it and doesn't come back automatically
Plus, it doesn't lock onto enemies as well
spice stag
NOOOOOOOOOO!
sick tree
It just messes with my head
spice stag
i mean, its bacik range is fairly far away And the spin knocks back enemies even if armored
at least i think so
sick tree
I hate charge attacks
spice stag
its been like that for me at the very least XD
why ? cause u stand still
u know what i hate, the sword special
slender linden
but tactical t-pose
wooden quartz
okay i posted assist mode in #hades-feedback
ancient elk
I love the sword special lmoa
spice stag
you stun lock youself doe a full second to do medeocre damage
karmic basalt
me too xD but I can see why other ppl shouldn't like it
sick tree
Yeah, basically, I'm not good at timing, I just wanna move and hit as fast as possible
spice stag
SPEAR!
ancient elk
It depends how you use it
spice stag
fair
ancient elk
I use it to finish weak enemies
karmic basalt
I usually use it to wall slam or whenever it seems like I can get away w it
livid cargo
also, new patch when
ancient elk
And for the knock back sometimes
slender linden
SPEAR!
spice stag
i use it on skils and to hit enemies into walls
slender linden
i love how you made this a thing xD
karmic basalt
its funny when the athena reflect is on it
karmic basalt
whirly deflect circle is so fun 😂
ancient elk
@livid cargo there's one coming today, unless you were asking when today then idk sorry
livid cargo
im just excited
karmic basalt
y e e t s projectiles back to meg
ancient elk
"We have a patch coming today that will contain an iteration to the pact system to grant additional rewards and goals around using the Pact System." This looks like it's going to be a lot of fun
spice stag
oer u mean next huge update, cause thats next month
i dont have acces to the pact system, yet
rip
ancient elk
It's 10 keys if you've beaten the hydra
spice stag
i wanna know whats behind the doors in the hallway
plain plinth
It doesnt do anythinf now so all my heat is just... sitting there... unused. Forever
ME TOO
Father what are you hiding from us
spice stag
also totaly ship- achilies and artemis
slender linden
naaah
ancient elk
He's heart broken
spice stag
i know
plain plinth
Im rly hoping we get patroclus later
sick tree
@plain plinth - use the Broker to exchange it for something else?
ancient elk
@sick tree but what if you have enough heat for everything so all the resources are useless
Feelsbadman
plain plinth
@sick tree haha yeah, tho everytime i hit up the broker he just wants to give me even more Heat and im like... bro... dont do this
spice stag
i hope we get to run into heroes and titans of legend throughout the run
like maybe run into hurc
or percius
sick tree
I made that point about darkness before the broker showed up,
Money is the only thing that retains its value throughout
Kinda annoying#
ancient elk
It;d be cool if the broker could offer money for the next run
spice stag
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
plain plinth
He gives u... one coin for 15 ambrosias
ancient elk
Only 15 throws more ambrosia
ancient elk
Yup
plain plinth
Hahaha i havent yet, not with the new update
Since i avoid some gods like the plague
I havent met athena in forever
spice stag
but now i relised permanant curancy would be better XD
plain plinth
I........ dont like her boons coz i probably use her wrong
sick tree
ATHENA IS GREAT THOUGH!!!
spice stag
and atemis
ancient elk
She has the highest attack boost and deflect is OPOP
ancient elk
Fyi, if you use the pact to make enemies do 6x damage, deflect does 6x damage and often ohkos every single room enemy
spice stag
but i am bad
plain plinth
HFKSH i’ll try her again since i maxed out aphro’s keepsake
spice stag
and cant make good use of it
plain plinth
What weapon do u usually use?
spice stag
i like when u get enough of aphros boons that there is a chance you can make friends Xd
plain plinth
With athena
ancient elk
For deflect I'd reccomend sword special but I'm quite bias
Spear attack is also good
plain plinth
That... explains it coz i abandoned the sword after the SPEAR
pliant tulip
Pity they nerfed sword special though
spice stag
SPEAR! spin
ancient elk
with sword special, as it's an area effect and your animation is so long the deflect time is a while and in an area
It's pretty fun
And it does hecka damage
spice stag
wait....big spear spin range with deflect....hm......
plain plinth
Im takin notes!!!
sick tree
Don't rely too hard on the reflect ability, just think of it as a damage boost that's really good at dealing with the witches
then keep looking for her until she gives you the take less damage from trabs/enemies boons
karmic basalt
sword special deflect is so funny
ancient elk
Shame they nerfed supernova
spice stag
in diva voice NERF THIS!
karmic basalt
before they nerfed supernova size it was Hilarious
ancient elk
Supernova was one of my fave hammer boons
sick tree
Her legendary is awesome
spice stag
what is it?
karmic basalt
I was really lucky one run and got athena and ares legendaries
ancient elk
I think legendaries are kinda spoiler territory
karmic basalt
oof ye sry
plain plinth
oop
ancient elk
Npnp, just some people would rather not see it
There's a spoilers section for a reason tho 😉
spice stag
-__ - okay
karmic basalt
ye thats fair
sick tree
Look it up on the wiki
slender linden
theres also gameplay
plain plinth
Hollers in spoilers channel
karmic basalt
I forgot about the gameplay channel tbh since I muted it ages ago 😅 mb
slender linden
thats fair xD
spice stag
Lol
humble pollen
Ah yes, his one true love, Skelly
livid cargo
vale kite
brisk trail
really wanna make a Boyo emote on my twitch channel now XD
brisk trail
texting my artist GF now for it XD
also gonna give the file to SGG if they wanna add it to the discord server emote if they are up for it D: idk who to contact tho
alpine stratus
put it in fanworks and we can stick it in the modchannel for consideration!
sgg's consideration lol idk about their inner emojichoosing workings....we just suggest things and pray
livid cargo
who isn't
brisk trail
side note, am i the only one that cant wait to buy the LP of Hades when its finished?
like i am getting all the other LP at the end of the month :3
ivory stump
normally I stay away from early access games (I've been stung before) But this...Hades is such a fun game, the artstyle is lovely, the music is brilliant and the characters are likeable. I'll pray to whatever gods of gaming there are to have this on the switch when it is released out of early access 😄
sterile peak
I hope they release the alternate versions of the songs after you clear a room like they did with Pyre once the game finishes
cedar hollow
Do you mean like the acoustic versions that Tariq would play in the caravan?
empty copper
well this was a unexpected patch
desert viper
rip avenging gain you will be missed 😦
empty copper
very happy to see the darkness increase for pacts!
cedar hollow
They did mention it during the ask supergiant q and a
half surge
Straight health upgrade now? :/
sterile peak
that actually makes a bit more sense
rather than having an iffy dark soulsian health regen
half surge
I prefered avenging gain since it
Wasn't a straight stat increase
Like most of the mirror upgrades are situational which is nice
Wow, +50 base hp
:/
desert remnant
I mean, you already get a straight heal 3 hp while entering each chamber, straight hp is not that different
humble pollen
I think it’s a bit more intuitive
primal bluff
Any flat increases get boring real quick.
desert remnant
However I would not mind some more advanced upgrades
primal bluff
doesn't add flavor to your run
desert remnant
The boons themselves already have so much wild interactions it's a bit forgiveable to me for the permanent upgrades being made for the purpose of going farther in runs
Some past upgrades were situational and felt pointless in certain runs
plucky nexus
Hi ! A friend of mine was hoping for Hades to be released on Switch ! Any infos about that ? I know some of Supergiant's games are available on Switch that's why :D
half surge
Generally speaking, that's pretty bad design for a roguelike, To have to have permanent upgrades to progress consistenly
tepid orchid
Avenging Gain was super super strong before, so I'm somewhat glad it's gone
desert remnant
True, but with the system in place, having anything needlessly complicated to upgrade is a bit dependant on actually using those techniques in every run
humble pollen
Switch not for at least a year
plucky nexus
Probably not until the full release i guess
desert remnant
I don't want to put points into dash attack bonuses if I like playing with bow
signal spoke
@plucky nexus someone asked a similar question in today's Ask Supergiant, here was the reply
Early Access should last more than a year. We expect the game will come to other platforms once Early Access is complete, though it's too early to say which ones as yet (who even knows which consoles will be available then?). We appreciate the interest!```Ok ok thx !
jaunty falcon
are we getting more gods of olympus ?
i want apollo
THE POWER OF THE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
signal spoke
there was an answer to that in the Ask Supergiant today as well!
We expect to add more content to the game across the board. We think there will be more Olympians in the mix...! They do like to get involved in one another's affairs...```Of course they won't be specifying who exactly 
desert remnant
Where are these Q&A messages?
signal spoke
desert remnant
Oh yeah
signal spoke
there is a fresh batch of them from this morning
frosty mountain
wow, the hotfix is big
abstract mountain
Hello, how can I ask a question to the devs ?
desert viper
the Q&A is over but im sure you can send them a feedback report
abstract mountain
Ok, thanks for the info. How do I do that ?
desert viper
should be a feedback button on the main menu
there's also the feedback channel here
vale geode
Hey, the version number in the patch notes in discord right at the bottom on the message is incorrect. It is V0.13010 and the actual number is V0.13009. This lead to some confusion
vestal lodge
Oops thanks!
proven ibex
@abstract mountain what do y ou want to know?
wild ingot
so this is probably a dumb question but are we gonna lose our progress every update?
grand veldt
didnt lose it in most recent patch
wild ingot
Really? I lost all my progress
proven ibex
@wild ingot Devs try to make that we won't loose any progress
wild ingot
so i should probably report that then
where should I report it? Just the in-game bug report or somewhere on here?
signal spoke
in-game bug report would work! also check the #hades-tech-fixes-old cause theres something in there about recovering saves
abstract mountain
I need to know if they have an idea of when the final product will be released. I want to play through a whole experience like transistor and Pyre, but if the game is releasing in a long time, i'll consider buying it soon
grand veldt
they said more than a year
abstract mountain
surely it is worth the price ! It's just that I solely prefer playing through a game I can play in "one shot" (sorry for poor english)
abstract mountain
okay ! I really don't want to spoil myself anything about the game, just saw the trailer at the Game Awards. Is it worth buying it rn ? How much hours can I play to finish what has been released yet ?
proven ibex
hmm
it's short to get to the last boss atm but only if you're good
it can take a while and also there's whole 2 systems to complete, one that makes your life easietr and the second that makes your life harder
abstract mountain
okay i see
proven ibex
if i think about it theres 3 systems that makes your life easier
abstract mountain
okay one final question, is it a short experience like transistor or a longer like pyre ?
grand veldt
I guess it's technically shorter than those but is more replayable
abstract mountain
ok !
well thanks for the help, i guess i'll wait a little longer for more content then
proven ibex
Check if any of your friends have bought it and test it
slender linden
or: what did you like from previous supergiant games?
hushed fiber
Does the infernal contract have any benefit or does it solely make things harder. I ask because all the other supergiant games have the same mechanic but I'm pretty sure they gave some sort of rare benefit as well.
copper echo
@hushed fiber
Using the Pact of Punishment now multiplies Darkness earned
New unlockables for completing runs at certain Pact thresholds
hushed fiber
@copper echo Cool thanks!
median shore
Tfw Geg didn't answer is Hades supergiant gay
But also valid, bc I was delirious when I posted it, bc it was 4am
median shore
Big yikes
cedar valley
anyone else massively dissapointed in the pathc notes
hushed fiber
the most recent or the chaos update?
daring sphinx
It isn't fun to fight a room of Skull-Crushers. Without anyway to kill them while they're up above, it just feels like an unsatisfying fight especially with armor
junior crane
agreed
cedar valley
the one today
the gates never spawn anymore
the witches spam the screen with balls
im getting full armored enemies round 3 and a no hit from hades
"spawns far less before the hydra" so basically they removed chaos
eager rover
@cedar valley no i think they mean it wont spawn if you havent run into the hydra yet
cedar valley
i ran a few and didnt get 1 gate or it sold ever
fiery pebble
Way I understand it
It just means it wont spawn in the rooms right before hydra
Ive still had one or more bloodgates each run, so theyre not gone by any means
cedar valley
"significantly less likely to spawn before the hydra encounter"
thats basically the whole game right now
solar coral
The patch notes meant that you won’t enter a gate, leave, and be brought to the hydra right out of the gate
At least, I’m pretty sure that’s what they meant by that
sinful ivy
I am really liking the game so far but I wish that the boons did something more significant. Right now I feel like they are simply stat increases with some tacked on effects mostly. I wish they changed the way things played out more significantly, I think Aphrodite's cast upgrade is a good example of this, forcing the move into something different and making you change how you interact with the enemies a bit more. I also wish that the gods had a little more synergy with each other, perhaps something like choosing the curse effect from hades on attacks and the bolt attack from zeus would make the bolts change into curse blades and have those bounce around instead.
signal spoke
i saw that earlier today
doesnt it make you so giddy when youtubers that you love mention supergiant titles :D
zealous timber
@cedar valley To clarify that change: we made it so Chaos won't spawn a few rooms before the Hydra. There was no other change to the frequency. It just means that you won't get a curse with no possibility of it turning into a blessing.
wooden quartz
oh, gmtk ADORES supergiant
it was one of the things that allured me to the channel
cedar valley
well in 10 runs @zealous timber i had 0 gates, and 0 gates sold in the wells
wooden quartz
oh no
the last thing the hydra needed was a buff
also which mirror thing was avenging gain?
prisma wind
Recover a % of HP lost from an attack by counter attacking right away
wooden quartz
ahh
harsh linden
Hey guy I'm new to this discord and noticed a strange interaction/bug and not sure it's intentional, what's the best section to post in to find out?
signal spoke
if you think its a bug press f10 while in game to open the bug report prompt
if you have general feedback to give about the game check out the pins in #hades-feedback for more info
harsh linden
Thanks so much, not sure how I missed that function
signal spoke
no problem!
wooden quartz
https://gender.needs-to-s.top/ab7663.jpg
fascinating, this is the first time i've ever seen this happen
fiery pebble
Its only possible since the Chaos update
fathom hound
God 60 heat is a pain!
cedar hollow
Im struggling with trying for 16 heat. I dont even want to know the pain of 60
prisma wind
It's been a long while now since I first started playing Hades at launch, but I just remembered a thought that I had from that time. Did anyone else feel let down that there was no interaction available at the scribe shade beside 
throne/desk? The placement and detail just make it feel like it should be something you can interact with to me
cedar hollow
Yeah. It is odd that you cant interact with them. Hopefully they'll add it in the future
remote saffron
D# C# D# C
there is no escape
prisma wind
Maybe I'll add that to #hades-feedback ... it is feedback, afterall
remote saffron
Wait there were blood gates before the Chaos update? What did they do?
@prisma wind Yeah
I definitely felt let down there
prisma wind
Well, it's in feedback now
remote saffron
Meg is hard
prisma wind
You'll get there eventually 
remote saffron
I've only beaten her twice
prisma wind
Just takes time and practice
remote saffron
and the bow
prisma wind
If you need tips, the fine folks over in #h1-builds-and-combat are always happy to help
reef oracle
Got the game before it updated and thought oh they nerfed meg a bit I have a chance now
no
No i dont....
Not yet atleast
humble pollen
It’s okay friend, took me ages to beat her the first time
reef oracle
One day it will be done
humble pollen
It will! Mirror helps a lot
stable plinth
3 dashes is usually a must for Meg until you know her fight really well
reef oracle
keep getting hit by her dashes...
stable plinth
Aphrodite also makes the fight much easier with Weak condition. Athena can be useful too to reflect her bullet hell phase
The trick to her dashes is to wait for her to drop into the crouch animation, then dash sideways. Once you're comfortable with range, this is also where most of your damage will come, by catching her at the end of it.
Alternatively you just have some bonkers build and blow her up regardless :D
humble pollen
Spear is good for sidestepping her dashes and then getting a few hits in
humble pollen
Bow special encourages you to get a bit closer that you probably want right now
stable plinth
Its safer, but what I found in majority of games with limited health, unless you're really comfortable with the fight
You'll end up dying in safer approach
Because you'll eventually make enough mistakes in the prolonged fight
If you just want to beat Meg, as opposed to style through her with 0 health lost, you're probably better off racing her damage wise
reef oracle
ah ok
stable plinth
And bow is pretty low damage unless you get pretty lucky with boons
reef oracle
Well right now the closest ive gotten to killing her is with bow
idk why just did probably boons
stable plinth
Oh, you can definitely kill her with the bow. Its simultaneously low and high damage wise, depending on what you find)
Occasionally you can Cast cheese her as well with few Artemis boons
humble pollen
Sword is life
reef oracle
I feel the least confident when coming to fight meg eith it
but that is probably more me than the shield with me having problems with megs mechanics
stable plinth
Right now, sword is probably the most well rounded, since there are plenty of builds it synergises with.
Maybe, but shield can be pretty weak
stable plinth
Good luck! Once you beat her once, you start rolling through her on most consequent runs :>
humble pollen
Can confirm, beating her once is a massive hurdle, after that she becomes a lot more manageable
olive jungle
seconded! i've only lost to meg 4 or 5 times since i first got past her
grand crystal
in the patch notes it says heat can unlock things, what are those exactly besides more darkness
prisma wind
Look in the weapon room, bottom corner
grand crystal
ok
humble pollen
It’s pretty fun
sterile latch
aaaaaaa I love the new artemis profile
vague geyser
OW... is all i gota say for the removal of avenging gains, i mean more hp is good, but i liked having the urgency to land an attack fast to recover some hp back, but, thats just me
sterile latch
there are similar things in the boons
vague geyser
which boons?
cause the one that has something like that is out of the game still to be worked on for the sword
sterile latch
I can't really remember the exact, but I saw something similar in the spear?
vague geyser
no, spear has no regen of hp in the dadelus buffs
the sword only did
and thats being worked on
sterile latch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vague geyser
im just wondering what they ment by wasnt influencing the gameplay as they ecpected, it kinda lived up to it's name, avenging the one that hit you lets you gain some of the hp they took away
near saddle
i Just saw Hades on Epic Store, It reminds me of bastion a game I finished 6 times I just loved that game
anyone playing hades?
vague geyser
i was
near saddle
How is it?
near saddle
I am not a fan or early access actually.
Is it buggy?
I am at the payment page rt now but not able to decide . he he he. so thought I'll ask you guys who have played it
prisma wind
Lots of people are playing!
It's really good, and not very buggy at all
The devs are very good about putting out patches and new content comes every month in major updates
If you want a finished story, though, best to wait for the full release. But if you want to have fun and help with the development process by providing feedback, then pick it up now
vague geyser
plus you can see how everyone loves a certan adorable character in which i wont say lol
slate thicket
mfw im not allowed to infinitely gift dusa ambrosia
near saddle
@prisma wind Thanks buddy for that. I am going for it. Lets Hades!!!
sterile latch
👍
near saddle
@sterile latch 👍
How long as this server been active? I just came across this on epic store while looking into Hades
sterile latch
06/20/2018
near saddle
ha ha ha, so u guys have been on this server since then, great guys. I am glad I joined. You guys are great. My installation is done. I getting into the game guys. catch u later guys. Thanks again
prisma wind
Have fun!
cyan zephyr
@everyone so what happens when you max outt a heartt gauge with someone, I am tryying tot romance Dusa she soo cute plus I am just curious what the mechanic is for like is it simmpl lore and story or am I able to achive lady friend status... or bro status?
olive jungle
Currently you're not able to romance anybody, no
prisma wind
Not a conversation for this channel, try #h1-story-discussion