h1-discussion

[mighty mural]

Oh

So not the summon

[viscid marsh]

I've gotten the "what are we" diolouge so i think im close to getting the companiom just no idea how to unlock the heart

[mighty mural]

Oh

[mighty mural]

That's the one where he shows up in his bed room right

[viscid marsh]

No idea i romanced megara first but its the one right before he speaks to hades

[mighty mural]

I romanced Thanatos first and I completely forgot about Megara

[native nacelle]

How many fishing spots can there be in the Area that you Re-visit multiple times in a run ? ||Cerebus Room||

Is it always just 1 ?
I just know that when i entered it First
There were 0 , But when i re-entered, There was 1

Like, Is there a chance to fish Twice (or more) in that room after clearing one of the Adjacent areas?

[blissful vector]

so excited to play h1

[native nacelle]

1st time ? You're in for a treat

[blissful vector]

Love to hear it

This will be my 2nd roguelike

Dead Cells wasn't it for me

[native nacelle]

"Hades Enjoyer" is your name

[blissful vector]

Yes

[native nacelle]

How is Hades 1 your 1st?

[blissful vector]

I watched someone play this YouTube

I was hooked

[native nacelle]

lol fair enough

Have you been spoiled ?

[blissful vector]

[native nacelle]

in terms of story

[blissful vector]

No

[native nacelle]

I'm relatively new to this server, but people here seem pretty good about keeping Spoily-things secret

[blissful vector]

That's good

[rustic vale]

Yes

Pretty sure I have

[small kettle]

Fists with Zeus is free clears

Doesn't even matter what Zeus boons unless it's the special or cast

[agile tundra]

Finally got || Nyx to meet with Chaos now I can max out their relationship! ||

[zenith pumice]

wat are the easiest heat thingys to do

[tepid plover]

People say timer is free

[gaunt lark]

didn't know you could fish twice

[zenith pumice]

u can???

[gaunt lark]

it's mentioned 6 messages ago

js taking his word for it lol

[rustic vale]

Specifically talking about the styx shop btw

where you can return multiple times and thus have multiple chances to roll a fishing spot in the same run

[gritty topaz]

Timer , the +40% shop and the first extreme measures imo

[native nacelle]

When entering a room with 2 Gods , Is the Rarity affected by which God you pick 2nd or 1st ?

[rustic vale]

Nope

[native nacelle]

Thanks again bro

[mighty mural]

How do you do that

[agile tundra]

You need to || Have Nyx say a dialogue about reuniting with Chaos. Once she has said it, you will get a new thing from the house contractor to collect 3142 darkness. Once you have that amount you can get this done and you will see Nyx with Chaos the next run you do. ||

It does take a bit of RNG for it to happen

[mighty mural]

Oh

[mighty mural]

||(I just brought Persephone back to the house of Hades and nyx has a locked heart)||

[woven turtle]

https://x.com/smtorama/status/2052437325532082611?s=20

s.m. (@smtorama)

Did you see Zagreus was name dropped on Jeopardy, we made it y'all

X · May 7, 2026, 5:16 PM

[thorn quail]

waiting for the day i get my first thanatos encounter. god damn rng bro

[thorn quail]

2 hours later i finally got ihm

[rustic vale]

The first one can only happen a few rooms in elysium

so you can’t ever see him before you get at least that far in game and then you still need to rng into that first encounter

after that the gates are open for him to pop up in any biome (still locked out of the first few chambers of a biome thou)

[thorn quail]

yeah i just got him lol

im in styx rn

i was just waiting for the rng to finally give me him 😭

and while im at it im just doing full runs with each weapon

[sleek bison]

Okay hades went from my favorite game to the bottom

The hell you mean after a week of trying when i finally beat hades he get ALL HIS DAMN HP BACK

[latent moon]

Second phase moment

[sleek bison]

I lost it i was happy attempt before it i was close second time when i thought I've done it he got all his hp

I signed for rougelite not soulslike type of moves

[rotund hazel]

How do i complete a place of revelery

[gritty topaz]

Hades lowk ez if u dont greed

Idk about the extreme measures hades tho thats probably hard asf

[south jacinth]

hi I am kinda confused, I cant send screenshots but how do I unlock the alternate mirror options? I started a new save file and already finished like 4 runs and unlocked all mirror options but I cant access the alternate

[tepid plover]

are second phases not allowed in roguelites?

[south jacinth]

I thought it was unlocked from the beginning

[tepid plover]

send me a pic, are you sure you cant click the arrows?

[south jacinth]

dm?

[tepid plover]

sure

i see

i guess it needs unlocking

nyx wont say anything about it?

[south jacinth]

I spoke with every npc but still no

I only have 9 total runs tho

[tepid plover]

maybe you need more runs, yeah talk to everyone with an exclamation mark, especially nyx

[south jacinth]

I did all achievements 2 years ago and I forgot what unlocked the full mirror

I guess I just need more talking

[tepid plover]

pretty sure is just part of the nyx dialogue roulette

shes part of like 80% of quests

and you can only talk to her once per run, sometimes not even

[south jacinth]

got it

[tepid plover]

was it nyx?

[south jacinth]

I did like 6 quick runs and finally got it from her

yeah

ty

[zenith pumice]

do you guys like sigill of the dead?

[vast raven]

ye, very good for speedruns as styx keepsake choice

[rancid linden]

I just stole from Charon.

[glossy prawn]

So guys

I don't understand

How do you gift ambrosia

Yo characters

I have maxed it the hearts with skelly but still can't gift him

[gritty topaz]

Have u done his favour

[glossy prawn]

What's that ??

[gritty topaz]

Its in the prophecy thing if u have it available

Go check

[glossy prawn]

In a bow attempt rn . Will check it after I die

God I hate the green sister that screams murder

[gritty topaz]

Imo shes easier than alecta

[glossy prawn]

I find alecta easier NGL

[gritty topaz]

Annoying blades

Meg easiest tho

[glossy prawn]

Every other run zag says

"please be meg"

And that's exactly what I also say lol

[gritty topaz]

I just use extreme measures 1 so i always see them

[glossy prawn]

Ohh

[gritty topaz]

Its free heat pact

Dont know abt the other bosses tho probl hard asf

[glossy prawn]

For me the free one is probably the one with extra enemies

You get more money to spend on shop

[gritty topaz]

I use 7min time, 40% more cost trap damage 400% and desperate measures

Doesnt rly affect gameplay

[glossy prawn]

I have only got to 4 heat so far

So gotta decide easier ones for future lol

[gritty topaz]

Thats like 5 heat total

[glossy prawn]

Wait wth

1st time hearing the court musician sing

God it's beautiful

(for some reason the song is about me dying tho .......)

[rustic vale]

It’s like maybe 20 obols over a run and one of the ones that combos the worst with other pacts (should be fine now, will get worse way faster once you get to 20 heat and beyond, if you’re going to go that high)

[rustic vale]

400% trap damage will bring the pots Hades summons from 30 damage to 150

which is pretty huge

[gritty topaz]

im in low heat its chill i obliterate them befo they even blowup

and ez to dodge

[rustic vale]

I’m just saying everyone considers it free heat until it ends their run

[glossy prawn]

Ohh ...

[glossy prawn]

Anyways, that is considered a trap ??

[rustic vale]

Yes

[rustic vale]

I think it’s overkill until you get to around 40 heat tbh (but it should be fine on any pact prior to ~32)

[kind cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-there-is-no-escape-no-escape-hades-game-zagreus-gif-25284490

[rotund hazel]

How do i get aspect of rama? Ive done everything required to get it still artemis wont talk about the bow and give me the phrase

[rustic vale]

If you’ve done everything as described here and already recieved the phrase where Artemis acknowledges your use of the bow while using the bow

#h1-story-discussion message

You’re just being held back by the rng dialogue system of Hades atp

[rotund hazel]

Ye she said sum about using the bow when i reach olympus

[rotund hazel]

I got the phrase a while back like 20 runs ago but i gave up on that run and havent yet recieved the phrase again

[rustic vale]

oh

[rotund hazel]

Only thing stopping me from 100 percent steam completion

[rustic vale]

giving-up puts you back before you started the run

[rotund hazel]

Wdym

[rustic vale]

when you “give up” a run, it just reloads the last time you walked into the courtyard in the house of Hades

so everything that happened in the courtyard and the subsequent run essentially didn’t happen

So you need to get the phrase again

[rotund hazel]

Yeah i kinda figured that out when i asked what i wrote above.

[native nacelle]

Is there an official measurement as to what counts as " Nearby Enemies" ?
Like the Daedelus Hammer that increases damage to nearby foes

Not necessarily "official" , but y'know

[rustic vale]

Point-Blank shot has a visual indicator, and it 330 units from zagreus (for reference tidal dash has a radius of 300 units)

different league is 400 unit radius around zagreus which is the same radius as Trippy Shot

You can basically write off Sniper Shot and Distant Memory (the far away enemies on both have a minimum distance of 675 units which is super impractical for any usecase

but the close range ones are good

[native nacelle]

That'svery helpful, thank you yet again 😎
Tidal dash for reference is excellent

[rustic vale]

Just realised I had a typo in my message, Tidal dash is 300 units, not 330

So point blank covers a little further than tidal dash

[rancid linden]

I'm locking in with Hades, trying to get the hidden aspects unlocked

[rustic vale]

Have you seen this message?

#h1-story-discussion message

just asking because a lot of the info online is at least slightly incorrect

[rancid linden]

Yeah, I know how to gain them. Just waiting for Achilles to mention it lol

[pine falcon]

Hades and it's sequel might genuinely be my favourite video games of all time.

[edgy pilot]

do the spikes normally pop up after u kil the boss in tartarus?

maybe im just tired, but I killed alecto and then i looked around for the thing to claim, couldn't find it

then walked over some spikes and died

like i am wondering if this was some glitch

[rustic vale]

No

[edgy pilot]

wow weird, yeah. I thought it didn't. Very strange

[twilit lodge]

Are you sure she died 😭

[north panther]

had an insane Hera run with Greater Recall, Quick Recall and Aphrodite cast with the Aphrodite legendary boon where weak effects have a chance to charm

Hera my top 1 aspect

[glossy prawn]

Guys I need small help

How long do I need to play the instrument for

I have been trying to play it and complete the prophesy for the last half an hour

[vague nebula]

I don't know the exact count but I played it at least a few times each time I was in the room and it took probably 50 times at least

[glossy prawn]

Damm

[vague nebula]

[rustic vale]

210 times

[glossy prawn]

I have done it more than 210 times

[rustic vale]

Have you talked to Orpheus?

Every ~70 ish plays the instruments get better

[glossy prawn]

Ohh....

That guy wasn't at home.....

[small kettle]

I just got merciful end in the SEVENTH CHAMBER OF TARTATUS

[rose pewter]

Hey everyone! I’m back playing Hades 1 and trying to wrap up the Divided by Death achievement. I feel like I've maxed their hearts, but the dialogue to reunite them just won't pop. Is the trigger purely RNG, or am I missing a specific step?

[rose pewter]

Bruh, just got it

[rustic vale]

Hades dialogue is just random

There are a handful of dialogue lines that ever get priority but the remaining 98% of dialogue likes are pure rng

[rose pewter]

okay ty man

[small kettle]

Should I take 70% dash strike over splitting headache I'm using aspect of rama

theseus and asterius died in actually 2 seconds without I frames😭😭😭😭

I'm so glad I took the dash

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[native nacelle]

Does Thanatos ever just Dip if you take too long to talk to him?
| i think i remember that happening, but i mighta dreamed it lol ( after clearing the room)

[bright folio]

Idk but i find it annoying how you can’t gift him if you accidentally take your powerup first

I know he’s short on time but cmon man stay a little longer

[native nacelle]

Shooooot, that's crazy .
Hermes wannabe , i reckon lol

[rustic vale]

He’s essentially taking unapproved breaks from his job to help out Zag for a bit tbf

he’s gotta be fast about it

[bright folio]

I will say im new to hades, im probably about 10 hours in, the characters man

Incredible

Thanatos is probably my #1

[native nacelle]

@bright folio You're in for a treat . It's an excellent game all the way

[native nacelle]

Do you have to have the appropriate weapon equipped when trying to get the appropriate dialogue from the Gods/Goddess' when trying to unlock the ||Hidden Aspect|| ?
Like, For the Bow's , Do i need to have it on me when i speak to Artemis ?

I know you gotta unlock the Spear's 1st, Invest the 5 blood ,
yada yada

[latent moon]

yeah among other reqs

pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[true vigil]

Am I missing something about the Darkness farm for titles? I have completed literally every other thing in the game but it wants me to farm 0 heat for ~90 hours to get all the titles?

[tepid plover]

Well you don't have to do 0 heat. But yeah the titles are just a resource dump. It takes a long to time to get, not required by any means, isnt an achievement or a prophecy, just there for those who want to keep playing the game so they can dump their extra stuff

[true vigil]

Ugh. That's the worst. Higher heats need to give better darkness and other mats need to be able to be turned into darkness more often. Cause I don't have anything to spend but darkness and playing higher heats gives less darkness.

Playing the game with no challenge actually gives more progress

I like to 100% games.... and this is just a giant middle finger to that.

[true vigil]

Thank you for the info though. Sorry to have such a negative response.

[tepid plover]

This was added for people who want to go above beyond the 100%, normally thats just achievements and prophecies

Or at least thats what most people normally do when they say they completed it

[true vigil]

Normally "above and beyond the 100%," in my mind at least, is more challenging. The way that the final achievement is 16 heat but there's another statue for 32 heat.

This is just, "grind at the lowest difficulty possible."

It makes me go, "Time to open up a game you used to love and be bored for hours," instead of continuing, or even ending, on a high note

[native nacelle]

When meeting the God/Goddess while trying to trigger the Hidden Aspect Dialogue ...
Could this EVER trigger when entering a room with 2 Gods in it?

[tepid plover]

Don't think so, since that room has specific dialogue related to the trial

[rustic vale]

If you want to be efficient about it it’s more like playing at 10 heat

[odd maple]

hey, i got a basic question idk if this is the correct channel

where can i see what bosses i have slained with wich weapon? i can not find it

[lavish sorrel]

"There's always the invention of writing stuff down...? You'll figure something out." - Skelly
(later in the game, after your first win, you get a more convenient way of tracking it.)

[true vigil]

Which ones make it faster other than forced overtime?

[rustic vale]

Extreme Measures 2 because the Hydra fight is way faster

and any amount of tight deadline levels remove the survival rooms in Tartarus that make you survive for 40s

Real-time speedrun strats right there (regular categories just run EM2 and FO2, tight deadline is bad for them)

[true vigil]

ohh, i didn't know tight deadline removes the survival rooms. why is it bad for speedruns then?

[vast raven]

survival rooms bad for rta, good for igt

[true vigil]

igt = in game time?, rta = ?

[vast raven]

real time attack, used for hades multirun categories or fresh file

[true vigil]

what makes the hydra fight faster for EM2?

[rustic vale]

smaller arena means the hydra heads are all way closer together

It needs way less travel time and makes it way easier to damage multiple heads at once

[true vigil]

ah, makes sense

so fastest real time runs are EM2, FO2, and TD1

is there a weapon/aspect that is so much faster it beats the bonus weapon in darkness/hr?

[rustic vale]

Fastest aspect on your best weapon

unless they’re all pretty similiar

is usually what I tell people

So like nemesis / achilles / beowulf / hera / demeter / eris

[true vigil]

most of my times are pretty similar but i've been doing
arthur / achilles / zeus / hera / demeter / hestia

so i can try the other three

[rustic vale]

Zag sword does have better times than nem atp but I think the nem is going to be more consistent especially as a casual player but the rest I mentioned are their top speed aspects

Nem / achilles start with tidal dash and Eris and Hera will want to hopefully grab them later, while beowulf wants flood flare so you can pretty much always include Poseidon for his darkness boosting

I kind of brought my darkness grinding for Unseen One down to a science when I was doing it

[true vigil]

i always start with poseidon then take chaos for the next two biomes then whatever i feel like for the last

[rustic vale]

for Eris and Hera it does make more sense for your time to start with their conventional starts (lightning strike/ crush shot respectively) but every other weapon should be fine

it'd be like Zap or hangover demeter instead of Merciful End

also if you hit Rush Delivery you can just take bone hourglass from there tbh

getting a bunch of ichors from wells makes your damage get really out of hand since all movespeed sources are multiplicative

[true vigil]

i guess i'd been doing more "get as much darkness as possible per run" instead of "get as much darkness as possible while going fast"

cause i'd been going down the line where i usually have huge catch by asphodel to get more fish in the chaos realm

instead of powering up

[rustic vale]

see I was thinking it really isn't worth your time to have a slow start to get a measily +50% darkness from pos on your furies fight but

I think the huge catch play can definitely be a good arguement

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1401000909512769626/65E3390D-C8EF-434D-8898-6CF8E979C823.jpg?ex=6a031f06&is=6a01cd86&hm=088961314f2193d16a910a69e403b138882a378895f02524b3d6331b9f392803&=&format=webp&width=1932&height=1130

Bone hourglass my beloved

[rustic vale]

if you want to Pos start everything then it makes the most sense for Nem/Achilles/Eris/Demeter to start with Tidal Dash, Beowulf with Flood Flare, and Hera might go either way tbh

Nemesis and achilles usually start with tidal dash before going into whoever they find of (artemis/aphrodite/athena for crits) or (artemis strike+ares cast, or lightning strike+ athena cast) respectively anyways

eris is a bit more annoying because of how strong zeus is you're absolutely going to want to force him if you don't find him in tart like you could use dionysus or ares but they're just not the same really

[rustic vale]

are you running Gods legacy to hit Huge Catch or God's pride to get higher value chaos boons

[true vigil]

legacy

even with always doing pos and using legacy, the fish still aren't that common.
i'm thinking your way of just consistently fast is the way to go

cause even when it feels cool to just be like, "whoop. extra 500 darkness out of nowhere," ... that's probably missing out on 1k darkness of speed, heh

and i wasn't even thinking about how running for legendary loses chaos boon darkness

[true vigil]

so for the ones you don't start Pos, is it 1. starter boon - 2. Pos (to make sure he's in your pool if you didn't get him anywhere else, otherwise chaos) - 3. chaos - 4. acorn? [Unless something special comes up like the hourglass for hermes]

Oh, for companion i've also been using Shady instead of Battie just cause it drops some extra darkness. But is there something in Battie that really speeds up any specific fight?

[rustic vale]

Battie has set-ups to pretty much deal with every single miniboss encounter and then boss damage (perfect amount of damage, aoe and speed compared to every other companion tbh)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766792963751936/781098230372106260/Screenshot_199.png?ex=6a03a42a&is=6a0252aa&hm=e0c7ee37c64d0edb1331e2a19d4543276892d589e19beaee2ee360c720474ca4&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2376&height=1146&

Witches is the most complicated one I think

but

It’s really not even that complicated

You just dash up, aim in the right direction and wait a second

[rustic vale]

Pretty much

you might as well keep hourglass or take sigil of the dead if you’re already fine for the Hades fight

[lavish sorrel]

Idk I never managed to get bombers meg right reliably, meanwhile witches meg is easy to do if you look at the screenshot for more than 5 seconds

[bright folio]

So i just unlocked my first hidden aspect, guan yu

Seems absolutely terrible but i dont know how much damage it does

[gritty topaz]

I just did extreme measures elysium for the first time what the actual was that

Thank god im running some op rama build

Rama with aphrodite artemis and twin shot is so busted

[cinder tartan]

how many times can you get sunken treasure from poseidon in one run?

[tepid plover]

Dont think theres a cap

[tacit ember]

i wasnt paying attention but i could have sworn alecto just called zag daddy

[gritty topaz]

she says something like "send you back to daddy

Meaning hades

[tacit ember]

oh prolly that then

[gritty topaz]

I thought that too when i got that

[tacit ember]

lol

[tacit ember]

wow i had a moment where i feel like i totally should have gotten hit by the hydra wave but didnt

pretty good going into ely

bruh threw to bull

im actuallynot having fun on 51 rama anymore

[tepid plover]

i dont enjoy high heat

35-40 is my sweet spot

[tacit ember]

i feel like playing a difficulty i know that i can forsure beat isnt the most fun

leaning toward type 2 fun ig

[gritty topaz]

I'm going to play this lure until i learn it

I don't care how long it takes

Im prepared

Cant wait to play hades 2 i think ive almost unlocked the epilogue and missing just 14 trophies

All prophecies basicly

[wind galleon]

Hades feels much harder after having played Hades 2

Is it just me?

[tepid plover]

Cant say I agree. Since the combat in h2 is generally harder than h1, coming back feels like a breeze

[rustic vale]

I feel like I’ve seen this sentiment a fair amount

[tepid plover]

For me it was th other way around

Zags journey mod however, now that one is beating me for some reason

[lavish sorrel]

since the combat in h2 is generally harder than h1
Define "harder" in this instance

[vast raven]

paragraph incoming 🔥

[lavish sorrel]

A given difficulty-level will always be easier to do in h2, but has a higher humanly achievable skill ceiling due to being better rng-balanced (many builds are less rng-needy). H2 also doesn't allow you to mash the dash button as hard when you panic, forcing you to manage when to use the dash, but that's something a h1 fresh file player would already know how to do.

[tepid plover]

A player who has never played either game, imo, will struggle more with h2, assuming they played both games with no prior knowledge of the other

Obviously a made up scenario that will never happen, but I hope you understand what I mean

The solo dash being a big point alone

[lavish sorrel]

Also need to note that on average it's easier to get a build going in hades 2. Though that does require game knowledge.

[tepid plover]

Correct

[tepid plover]

I am still weirded out by this

Maybe i just find melinoe moveset harder

Or maybe the mod just is just omega scaled up

[lavish sorrel]

Enemies in that mod have slightly more hp and come in greater numbers than in h1

[tepid plover]

Thats probably it then

[lavish sorrel]

(Also h1 enemies / bosses are not designed around 1 dash. Dad / heroes especially)

[tepid plover]

That said I never played with double dash myself. So that shouldnt affect me

[lavish sorrel]

If you played with ruthless reflex it still meant you had somewhere between 30% to 50% more leniency (depending on rr uptime) on your combat in h1

And if you were playing with ri3 and not rr, then my question is "why"

[vast raven]

there may have also been some slight speed adjustments, things like sneak felt much faster than their h1 version although im unsure

[lavish sorrel]

That's a bug then. The enemies are supposed to be the same speed

Lernie also has some animation jank

[vast raven]

lernie 🔥

[tepid plover]

I dont like double dash

Boring

Too many iframss

[lavish sorrel]

Hey frei if you have clips comparing zag's journey sneak and h1 sneak on the same level of FO, send it over to the dev so he can take a look :]

[vast raven]

i currently don't have access to any of my vods due to being away from my primary setup so it'd be a bit 💀

[lavish sorrel]

rr is ruthless reflex

The extra damage and dodge chance dash

Not greater reflex, the double dash

[tepid plover]

Whats ri3?

I was using ruthless reflex

[vast raven]

routine inspection at level 3

[tepid plover]

Oh nah I dont use that

I liked ruthless reflex or rather had no other option

[wind galleon]

I definitely think it's cuz of builds being less RNG dependent is why H2 feels easier

[fossil sage]

I'm trying to get dusas bond, I've maxed out the relationship hearts thing, gotten her fired and then re hired, got the dialogue with meg what else do I possibly need? I've died like 40 times to try refresh the encounters with her

[rustic vale]

Iirc her favour has to do with how much lounge furniture you have

“Zagreus must help her bring the lounge up to Nyx's standards by using the House Contractor to complete a minimum of 12 Lounge-focused renovations, which must include at least one rug for the area as well as cleaning up Cerberus's fur and the scratches he left in the floor. After doing this, talking to Dusa will complete the A Place of Revelry prophecy and unlock the ability to give Ambrosia to her.”

[vivid fulcrum]

I only have 31 escape attempts does he appear at a certain number

[tepid plover]

Who

[autumn jewel]

me obviously

[gritty topaz]

Is there a mod where you can't encounter the tiny vermin dude pisses me off everytimr

[rustic vale]

Actually

Yes

It’s included in the speedrun modpack iirc

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources

modpacks are at the very bottom

[elfin pelican]

yo i finally beat surface

[tepid plover]

congratz

[elfin pelican]

yay

with frenzy fear anyways

oops not the right chat lol

[native nacelle]

how many floors does it take to truly reset a run (Seed?) ?
I know you can't just Begin / Give Up

[lavish sorrel]

must die or win a run

current seed is stored in the save file; whenever you "give up" a run (regardless of the amount of chambers you've played), the game just loads a previous backup of the savefile instead of your current temporary save progress.

[native nacelle]

Thanks bro!

[fossil sage]

I forgot abt this message but I did that long ago, I've given all the ambrosia, I just need to forge the bond

[pine pond]

who is like the first person i should give that necter stuff to?

i recently got hades on my pc and i have to play it all over again

and its been like atleast a year since i last played

maybe 2 years tbh

[rustic vale]

You pretty much want to grab the olympians minus hermes (since he works differently his keepsake doesn’t have the same effect as the rest)

[pine pond]

oh really? i dont tend to use the olympian ones since they like only maake the first one guaranteed to be them

[rustic vale]

If the only lasting effects of forcing them 1st chamber was 1 boon then they’d still be really solid

but forcing the gods you want into your god pool is really strong

Since after you grab boons from 4 regular olympians (not hermes, not chaos), the game only shows you regular boons from them (again, you will still be able to grab your 2 hermes boons and any chaos gates you find)

So you start with a very crucial boon for your build and you make sure the most important god for your build is in it from chamber 1, and you can force the second most important one in in asphodel if you haven’t found them yet

It makes builds actually possible

[pine pond]

i didnt know that actually

im not a person who usually do builds but i like the spiked collar no downsides to it and well who can say no to extra max hp

[latent moon]

the downside is not getting a coherent build together first

[native nacelle]

So, the Fishing apots that used to be on the Surface.... =\

You can Fish in the Final Boss arena, but , The Surface had 2(?) potential spots for fishing.. 🙁

Is the % Chance to enounter a Fishing spot increased to make up for it....?

[rustic vale]

Those spots got moved to the arena

iirc

[rustic vale]

You can always throw the spiked collar on after you used the god keepsakes to get your build together

[pine pond]

true

[tacit ember]

huh i got the same ammount of kills as than and i got a heart

i thought you needed more

[agile forge]

when is wretched broker romance DLC coming out

[native nacelle]

for the Shield , Chaos Aspect , " After you "Bull Rush" , your next Special throws Multiple Shields ...

Is tyhere like, a Cool-down for this ?
I swear, i do the Bull Rush, then just throw 1 shield half the time

[native nacelle]

But i'm right about the amount of potential fish caught to be perhaps reduced ?

[latent moon]

shouldn't be a cool down afaik, maybe you're just not seeing the others

[agile tundra]

is || Sigma Warden the last rank I need to get? ||

[rustic vale]

You don’t NEED to get any of them

but it’s far from the last iirc

[agile tundra]

yea ik

but Im tryna max out my relationship with Hermes

[rustic vale]

It’s the 4th out of 50

You don’t need any of them for anything.

They are purely cosmetic

[agile tundra]

then how the heck am I suppose to max out my relationship with Hermes

[rustic vale]

each npc has a specific trigger aka their “favour”, I don’t remember Hermes off the top of my head, I think it’s talking to him with his 3* keepsake? but lemme double check

each fandom wiki page for an npc has it if you scroll down to the affinity section

[rustic vale]

Yeah it’s this

[agile tundra]

oh wait I need to use his keepsake

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[rustic vale]

The game often doesn’t communicate anything about how to do them I just remember a handful of the commonly asked ones

It might take a few times talking to him since Hades does use an rng dialogue system

[agile tundra]

I basically wasted 20+ hours trying to get Hermes to unlock

[rustic vale]

and hardly ever gives priority to dialogue lines

[mint coral]

Hermes is always a dumb one

[rustic vale]

Never thought to google your problem?

[agile tundra]

ehh it doesnt matter much tbh

cuz I already beat the game and got the post endgame cutscene

[rustic vale]

Don’t think so

Only with huge catch (since it’d remove the room cooldown)

[agile tundra]

OH THERE YOU GO DONE

now I can gift Hermes 2 Ambrosia

[tacit ember]

lol got too careless and threw a 45heat nem run at the very end of 2.2

[stone imp]

Hey guys question here: I fought charon for the first time today and how do you dodge his purple ball things that do a cross cause that's really messing me up

[rustic vale]

just dashing out of the way or use your dash iframes to dash through them

[cursive drift]

I think he’s probably harder than theseus and asterius and hades 1st phase

I faced him for the first time yesterday

[rustic vale]

Lowkey like half the problem is how inconsistently you fight him compared to every other enemy in game, and the other is his stats don’t change between every biome

so taking him in tartarus is like infinitely harder than elysium

[cursive drift]

Yeah

I rarely am short of money by the time a shop comes by

The 20% is useful for the styx

So taking it in tartarus is unnecessary

Unless my build is insane off the bat

[rustic vale]

I feel like it really sets you up to take way less obols over your run and take other things while still maximising your shop usage

[sweet yew]

can divine dash reflect it?

[rustic vale]

Any deflection works

[sweet yew]

oh alr

i havent played charon yet

[rustic vale]

I don’t think I’ve fought him in like 3-4 years

[cursive drift]

I haven’t fought him in 6-7 years

[jagged hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQJZnxQdl0M

[gritty topaz]

Did megaera just crack zagreus

And i mean MEGAERA crack

All i heard was spanking and megaera laughing bruh

[tacit ember]

True

[dusky oasis]

The monsters in Asphodel are pretty cool but they annoy me so much sometimes lol especially the gorgon/megagorgons

[old bluff]

Armored wave makers are genuinely the most annoying enemy in the game

[dusky oasis]

Agreed, they annoy me a lot

[tepid plover]

: I'll have to go with the painful way.

[eternal trellis]

I hate the Elysium shield enemies

The gorgon's are so annoying because their AI is smart and knows it's effective to just camp in the lava

Also the chariot enemies in elysium suck (both big and small)

[latent moon]

I don't think that's the AI making it camp in magma that's just the enemy moving to maintain a min distance from zag and it happens to be magma bc much of the stage is magma lmao

[latent moon]

The small ones explode whenever you dash through a gap/obstacle so you can use that

[eternal trellis]

Yeah I just spam dash against them

[latent moon]

The big ones you can use gaps to make them stop charging

Otherwise either kill them faster or outrun them lmao

The shield enemies you do unfortunately have to learn their attack pattern lmao

They also always spawn facing I think right?? It's been a while but you can get a good hit when they spawn in

[cursive drift]

Just got the end credits, first playthrough

Didn’t even realize I beat it 10 times

I kept whooping hades’ ass with aspect of Demeter sea storm

I was mad af when he ||let me go|| when I had my best rng yet, that was some bs

[north panther]

is there any way to boost fps without reducing resolution?? 1280x960 looks so bad in fullscreen

[native nacelle]

Dude, same thing happened to me lol .
I was kicking butt and was gleefully about to Own him, but alas... earwax

Oh yeah, that was when i discovered the joys ove the Ares+Aphrodite Duo Boon, too.
Continuous Doom damage was awesome

[barren hill]

I’m about 20 runs in and I keep getting caught up on the hydra…any suggestions?

[cursive drift]

Dont attack the main hydra until u see him use his slam attack

It’s unreactable if its in ur face so just play it safe

Once he uses it just slam him he isn’t scary outside of that

When he brings out the mini ones start either on the far right or far left, not the middle because you’re gonna be attacked from all sides

And if u have the mirror upgrade that gives u bonus damage when an enemy has a cast gem in them, for bosses always have that in them at all times its just free damage

[barren hill]

Good stuff good stuff. I finally got over the hump of the first boss. She’s easy to beat but I always get cooked by the hydra. Dumb question- should I get discouraged that I’m not more advanced after 20 runs? I’m new to the rogue like but I love this game.

[rustic vale]

Not at all

First escapes commonly take 20-80 attempts (depending on prior experience w/ genre among other things) and I have seen a good handful significantly higher than 80

I don’t think you should get discouraged at all

[eternal trellis]

I think if you're having fun then there's no reason to be discouraged but if you're not enjoying playing it then that probably won't change.

[barren hill]

Okay cool lolol. And I’m having an actual blast with the game! It’s beautiful, well written and the gameplay is insane.

[ashen halo]

Hello

I have a surprise for you guys

Add me

[crystal latch]

Anyone know how much nectar/ambrosia is takes to unlock a keepsake?

*companions

[rustic vale]

Iirc it’s just the first ambrosia to the 6 respective npcs

[cursive drift]

I’ve got like 40 hours on this game, already got the end credits, and i haven’t used the ambrosia yet

I assume you use it to unlock someone’s heart?

But i unlocked it for thanatos but i dont even think it was used

I have the locked heart for nyx, achilles, and meg too

Do i need to talk to them more?

[gritty topaz]

Yep

[native nacelle]

I wish Zagreus nicknamed the Hydra "DRUH" .... instead .
Then Zagreus shows up and says " Hi , Druh! " ....lololol

[tepid plover]

But then we wouldn't have lernie

[native nacelle]

I'm a sucker for puns

[rustic vale]

Lernean Hydra -> Lernie is pretty decent

[trim pebble]

Seeing if this is a scam bot or a bible bot

Aww they wont respond to me

[raw plover]

gng my friend told me the stray gods characters are hotter than the ones in hades, what do we say to this chat?

[cursive drift]

Just googled them, hard disagree

As far as a reimagining of Greek gods goes, hades did it basically perfect

The designs match their personalities and none of them break your suspension of disbelief that these are ancient people

[rustic vale]

2 minutes on google images says definitely not

[royal bobcat]

I saw a friend of a friend is playing Hades 1. people still play Hades? even with 2 out? after all these years?
I wonder how many new people we get these days

[latent moon]

i mean tbf hades 1 and 2 are lowkey functionally very different games despite being the same series

sameish concepts, but gameplay is so incredibly different

and also ofc there's people who want to play 1 before 2

[cursive drift]

I started hades 1 this month without playing hades 2

[rustic vale]

A good handful or two a month I’d say? and that’s only showing the very tiny minority of players who join the discord

[royal bobcat]

really? have you discovered the power of hunting blades? how they don't need any weapon to be good?
also, who are the Patriots? 😉

@cursive drift lemme show you somethin, mad crazy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1436013405705076807/1507692389681336461/image.png?ex=6a12d375&is=6a1181f5&hm=8dde483d0b8e9a5270390b7600a6689761d593619c63b0b50e3c83e353a86e34&

thats set up for spear/sword/fists/gun,
but you'd swap the zeus and artemis attacks, depending on the weapon, like bow/shield

[rustic vale]

This is like genuinely impressive at being like so close and so far on the secondary boons at the same time

Oh I see it now

You’re trying to hit every applicable legendary which is throwing off your secondary picks

missing Static Discharge / hunters mark / breaking wave razor shoals respectively is pretty massive

the flurry cast is an understandable recommendation because it’s a cast build but it’s really not crazy impactful compared to other Hermes options (cough cough Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery for huge damage)

and then Urge to Kill and Storm Lightning and that looks like Typhoons Fury and Hide Breaker to me

Which are all pretty mid boons you wouldn’t really go out of your way to pick up

[barren hill]

Got to the third boss last night…feeling pretty powerful lol

[royal bobcat]

these are all the things you want, and you'd go for whatever you can get. the main build is Hunting Blades, Black Metal, Engulfing Vortex, and Vicious Cycle. the Urge to Kill buffs the cast and is a bonus.
Pressure Points and Support Fire are there to get Fully Loaded for the extra cast and Hide Breaker is also a bonus.
Mirage Shot adds another projectile, Tidal Dash is there for contact damage and Typhoon's Fury plus Second Wave are added damage to that contact.
Lightning Rod is there for when the blades expire, dealing damage in the down time, with Storm Lightning and Splitting Bolt helping with that and your attack and call
Flurry Cast is also needed in there cause with 3 casts, fully loaded, and a chaos boon, you're gonna have 5 casts and you wanna get em on the field ASAP.

your cast only needs to be lvl 6

and you can use it with any weapon (except beowulf but thats a shield subclass)

[rustic vale]

The broad strokes of this build make sense. It’s just the internal specifics that could use some work. Breaking Wave is pretty much always more effective than Typhoons Fury at doing the same job (boosting backslam damage) and both open second wave, so Typhoons Fury shouldn’t really be up there. Similiar idea but not exactly a replacement, it’s crazy that hidebreaker made it on here above Hunter’s Mark. Hunter’s Mark is really nice because it can really apply to everything and let you start chaining crits around as soon as you crit once, and works absurdly well with pressure points, where the hidebreaker armour shred is already applying on attacks that you crit on, which pretty much only matters for miniboss fights due to their armour hp being so high, which is a pretty niche application comparatively for very little value gained. Urge to Kill is just not something to even include in the boon list because it’s so negligible you don’t want to go out of your way for it, you just take it if your other 2 options happen to be cores you don’t want. On the other hand, you’d absolutely want to recommend static discharge for zeus because it’s honestly a massive boost to your lightning damage output which you’ll be doing intermittenly in between your casting and picking up your casts.

Again, this build does make sense, I think I have nearly this verbatim on a run recently just with a better focus for secondary boons

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1450002548198080636/IMG_3101.jpg?ex=6a12921b&is=6a11409b&hm=70869b075ce1c862cc0a61647f164761e28e95e3128fc4ba306d5aacecbc8c86&

and it didn’t even hit hunting blades and sometimes you just have to take a given option for a set of mid-ones so it isn’t perfect

You started with a good idea, there’s just a few steps left to really elevate it tbh.
Replacing Typhoons Fury with Breaking Wave (and honestly razor shoals is a really decent pos secondary), urge to kill from Ares with Static Discharge off Zeus, hide breaker with hunter’s mark, and you have a pretty solid recommendation.

[lavish sorrel]

You have anti-synergy between rod and hblades

ZAP leads naturally into rod and there's no point in nerfing rod to get hblades, rod's already good (and arguably better than hblades unless you're playing an aspect that buffs casts without providing global damage; i.e. achilles or poseidon)

[sand mulch]

revisitng Hades 1 after Hades 2 and I...

I cant seem to get the hitboxes of some of these weapons

[drifting hatch]

Any good ways to guarantee getting a Duo boon? I got to the final boss in one of my runs but lost in part because I never got the boon that would make my build come online.

[rustic vale]

Not guarantee, but there are a lot of ways to really improve your odds

[drifting hatch]

Like what? Just the thing that gives you +1% per level?

[rustic vale]

nah that’s kind of a waste to use

Every regular olympian god keepsake, chaos favour boons, yarn of ariadne and the refreshing nectar from Eurydice give a +10% to duo/legendary chance for boons affected by them

which is per option rolled on a boon btw

not per boon reward you pick-up

The base odds are 12% per option / 10% for miniboss tier rewards

[rustic vale]

God’s Legacy is kind of just a waste since under normal circumstances duos are gonna be like 80-90% consistent and having the improved epic odds is just gonna launch your builds further

[rustic vale]

Now, not every boon option is rolled all the time, sometimes some get hi-jacked by priority boon taking a slot

essentially if any of your cores are open, the first booned is guaranteed to be either one of your open cores, or 10% of the time an exchange for one you already have. so that brings down the options that can roll into a duo/legendary by 1

hunter’s mark/ blinding flash / static discharge / razor shoals also have a 50% chance to take a priority slot i you don’t have them yet

so just grab those secondary boons if they pop up, grab all those sources of duo/legendary chance and you should have a highly likely chance of hitting your duo

[drifting hatch]

Thanks!

[royal bobcat]

right, this is a no mods server

well, I can only express myself with swearing, I guess I can do stars?

oh right, and they delete my message so I gotta type the whole thing again

then I guess I won't. great chat bot

idiots

anyway, the game does whatever it wants, so you cant always get what you want, unless you use a mod

so hide breaker and urge to kill are there as a bonus, not needed for the build, and there's a lot of armored enemies starting in biome 3, and urge simply buffs your cast

if the game gives me storm lightning or hunters mark instead of the others, I'll take them because I have to

[rustic vale]

But that’s the thing, is they shouldn’t really even be mentioned. If you hit them you hit them, but it’s weird to put them on the same image with equal levels of priority to the rest when they’re significantly less impactful boons. That’s why I recommended replacing them with ones you’d actually very much want to take that weren’t mentioned.

You can’t always get what you want, but you get to choose what you tell somebody else to pick. And I was recommending, coming from a speedrunning background, that some of the recommendations can be replaced with ones that will help the receiver of the recommendation make better decisions on the like 3 boons out of 18 in the build

[latent moon]

i mean generally speaking, your build should be fully functioning with like 3-4 boons not including hermes/chaos

2/3 core boons, the duo, and 1/2 supporting boons

some builds dont even need a duo either

like eris wants the most with lightning strike, artemis special, tidal dash, and static discharge and that's more or less the whole build

you don't really want to go for other boons bc you end up clogging your pom pool that you want to put on tidal dash and static discharge

so like any "bonus" boons for potential damage ends up hurting you long run

[latent moon]

like taking this for example assuming achilles aspect
there's like 10ish boons that you don't want to put poms on bc you'd rather put them on ares cast, tidal dash, and zeus call
you'll be able to get early poms, but you won't be able to scale in elysium where you'd have a lot more boons most likely

[drifting hatch]

What are the best aspects to get if I want to get the Aspect of Guan Yu (and subsequently all other hidden aspects)? I already have Eris.

[latent moon]

not to mention that you're also clogging your duo chances by opening like 3 at the same time

[latent moon]

do you have a hidden aspect you want to get afterwards?

[drifting hatch]

Lucifer looks really cool

[latent moon]

you can do hestia, that's a good aspect but it really wants levels like 3+ to be decent
same with lucifer, it's lowkey kinda just bad until also around 3+

what 3 other aspects/weapons do you like

[drifting hatch]

I’m not sure — I’ve heard good things about Demeter, but Talos looks more fun ngl

[latent moon]

demeter is a lot better than talos but you could have fun with talos lmao

nemesis for sword
hera for bow
achilles for spear
zeus for shield
dem/talos for fists, whatever you like

i realized i could've just done this lmao

hera loads a cast into the shot for the bow, depends on how much you want to play with a loading mechanic

achilles depends on if you want to build around the cast

the rest you can kinda just figure out on your own how to play lmao

[drifting hatch]

Thank you!

[cursive drift]

That is mad crazy

[fathom glen]

I can’t tell if this is serious lol. Hades is a masterpiece. 🙂

[royal bobcat]

I never said it was bad, I was asking if it was forgotten and moved on from

[eternal trellis]

i never played the first so i figured it makes more sense to play it before the second

[fathom glen]

I think the Hades subreddit can give that impression because the subreddit for the first game combines both games, so Hades II discussions eclipse the first on there. Plus the second one just came out.

[gritty topaz]

No

[royal bobcat]

Are you saying I should log on to Hades, Right now?
that's not what you're saying
But should I?

[drifting hatch]

I just started a few weeks ago!

[rustic vale]

Yes

[long needle]

yes

[arctic kelp]

Are Zeus boons good

[lavish sorrel]

depends on the weapon/aspect and the rest of the build, but generally, yeah

[arctic kelp]

The damage seems pretty low compared to ares boons

[lavish sorrel]

game knowledge issue; that'll come with time

[arctic kelp]

How do I make it work?

[lavish sorrel]

there are multiple ways to answer your question. given the simplicity of the question I'll assume you've not played the game much and direct you towards #h1-for-new-players instead. you'd encounter spoilers outside of that channel.

[arctic kelp]

I’ve gotten out twice with the spear and reunited Orpheus and Eurydice

Both times were with doom builds

[long needle]

5 heat with only shield of aegis 😭

[lavish sorrel]

Anyway, as stated, there are multiple ways of answering your question.

The first is using zeus attack on a weapon / aspect with high attack-speed; usually a fist or a rail. Also get various zeus tier 2 boons, like jolted and splitting bolt.

The second is zeus shield, and using zeus special; a strategy referred to as "zeus²". Get zeus special, jolted again, double strike, and maybe the legendary too (use at your own peril in this instance, because of a bug).

The third involves zeus' call. Zeus has the call bar none considered to have the most reliable damage-output. Getting smoldering air with aphrodite and zeus' double strike can by itself be considered a build.

[long needle]

does this count as a spoiler

cause if it did oh boy

[arctic kelp]

Huh?

[long needle]

my farthest heat is 6

[arctic kelp]

Oh, my bad

Forgot about that bit in the rules

[long needle]

🥲

ur good tho

[raw herald]

If it was a hades 1 spoiler then it’s allowed

[rustic vale]

you’re at 6 heat what left is there to really be spoiled aside from individual npc stories

maybe the epilogue? even then that’s fine for this channel tbh

[long needle]

charon

[long needle]

how come

[raw herald]

the games been out for 6 years

also check the channel description

[long needle]

oh lmao

welp time to remove this channel

[rustic vale]

You should have seen the bag by now you probably just haven’t taken it

[rustic vale]

It’s not a spoiler for this channel

[arctic kelp]

Oh ok

[rustic vale]

Only channel you need to mind spoilers for is #h1-for-new-players

[arctic kelp]

👍

[long needle]

what bag?

[rustic vale]

Charon’s bag

Is shows up 22% of the time in any biomes midshop

mid-biome shop as opposed to the endshop (which is guaranteed to be at least an option immediately before the boss of a stage)

[long needle]

what does it look like and where is it usually located?

[rustic vale]

Just on a pedestal next to Charon usually

It is quite literally the same bag as the one that marks Charons Shop at a door

[long needle]

is it able to appear before fighting hades?

[rustic vale]

No

Tartarus/asphodel/elysium

[long needle]

ah i see

alr ty\

[rustic vale]

You should probably start taking your midshops they’re really valuable from a technical perspective

[long needle]

i should\

[rustic vale]

the tartarus one especially tbh

[rustic vale]

getting the choice to instantly add a god to your god pool for like 150 obols or just pass it up, no commitment, is really solid

[eternal trellis]

Is it not better to just clear the easy floors and save your coins for higher up?

[long needle]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Nope

[rustic vale]

Not really

getting the choice to use your obols sooner means you can make decisions that will help you snowball harder (getting your godpool set up with who you want), while also just making you stronger to ensure the rest of your run either makes it out at all (heat focus) or make it out faster (speed focus)

[latent moon]

the only reason to save your money is to get the titan blood or diamon in styx, but that isn't helping you win the run

spending your money earlier lets you get a better build earlier, arguably the most important in tartarus and asphodel

[neat granite]

is styx the respawn place?

(im new)

[sweet yew]

styx is the 4th area, but its also the river that leads to the first room so you're basically right

[neat granite]

oh ok

thx

[tacit ember]

does procking an sd give a bunch of call juice

i randomly had a maxed arti call, i think that might be why

[rustic vale]

taking damage converts like 60% of the percentage of max hp you lost to call gauge

If you lose 100% of your max hp you gain 60% call gauge

[lavish sorrel]

taking damage https://www.twitch.tv/astaos/clip/YawningEndearingMonkeyArsonNoSexy-hSyLFHeXzLewM00X

[rustic vale]

This is gy they probably took 50 damage with a max hp of 27 and gained like 120% call gauge lmao

[jagged hamlet]

Los Angeles county vs Los Angeles the city, basically. Or the equivalent with New York!

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1508543875491303506/d1phtp0.png?ex=6a15ec77&is=6a149af7&hm=8928a7e61dc9410d26dbb3cc75996838cd7ae073c898688850ca84935035f3e7&

😿

game crashed no hammer for me

[drifting hatch]

Does anyone have a suggestion for a build to try during my next run? I only have a few aspects unlocked (Eris and Zeus, though I have enough Titan Blood to get several more), but I’ve finally started being able to beat the final boss somewhat consistently and would love a suggestion for a fun build to try next.

[tulip geyser]

u could get chiron with a dio special for a hangover run

thats always fun

[drifting hatch]

I’ve heard good things about this, but I’ve also heard that Chiron is a piece of hot garbage

I don’t think I have enough Titan Blood yet to use on super niche aspects (unless you disagree with my initial assessment)

[tulip geyser]

I mean the main reason the hangover build works is because of the many duo boons u can get

so by the time u get to hades u can just sit back and spam the special

but if u want a more general aspect that would work for most gods get Achilles or nemesis

[latent moon]

I mean every aspect in the game still works fine up until like 40 heat before a few start falling off

But like any aspect works if you build and play it right

[drifting hatch]

Thanks!

[tacit ember]

It's "good" because it's straight forward to build, prolly the first build with any synergy new players try, it feels strong for that reason and not necessarily that Chiron is a good aspect

Chiron is bad because the builds it has are kinda mid

Also Chiron needs alot of blood invested to be usable

If you have low blood you can try Hera or smth

[crystal latch]

Does triple-shot ruin the hera bow?

[old bluff]

no

it is arguably the best hammer for newer players

[rustic vale]

pure upgrade, it just gives you more arrows

[crystal latch]

Just wondering if it messed with the cast loading or whatever

[rustic vale]

no extra casts, the casts still fire out of the central arrow

nothing can break Hera’s functionality

[crystal latch]

Mmmmhhhhmmmmm

🤔

Thanks

[latent moon]

all the hammers on hera work normally as they should and don't interact with the loading mechanic

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/informationsandtruths-gif-2819124120119420190

[latent moon]

i'm personally a big fan of misinformation and lies

[crystal latch]

😭

[jagged hamlet]

That's bananas!

[rustic vale]

misinformation spreading: Support Fire DOESN’T backstab

[stiff obsidian]

em4 sneak is genuinely evil

is it even possible to not get hit by it

oh so thats why i uninstalled

[short goblet]

Guys hades has a 75percent discount!!!

Its just 5.62 dollars

[short goblet]

First impression

Is great

[drifting hatch]

Yeah I got it on one of those lol

[short goblet]

The ps Plus?

[drifting hatch]

No on Steam, but it was a similar discount

[short goblet]

Cool

I f ing love the spear

The range is INSANE

Best choice I bought this game today

[gritty topaz]

Ah lucky

Ps games rarely go on sale💔

[short goblet]

Yk the ps Plus discount. It is THE best discount

And im also getting terraria with

Nucler throne

[tacit ember]

The latest terraria update was so bad

[edgy pilot]

i was looking at previous speedrun records for hades, why were some of the old pre 1.37 runs so fast?

was the game a lot easier then?

[rustic vale]

I mean if you look at the years of some of the records

The fastest time for pre1.37 was 5 years ago at 5:56 and we had a 5:56 for for 1.37+ 5 years ago as well

[edgy pilot]

oops lol, i thought i was looking at 50 heat, pre 1.37 but it was any

[rustic vale]

So I don’t know if they were really “so fast” compared to the updated version in the same year

[edgy pilot]

so yeah ig they weren't that much faster

if at all

[old bluff]

By the way, if you are looking for runs that are a little faster, i highly recommend the modded section on src, as modded any heat is the far more popular category among top players

[edgy pilot]

what should one do after he has completed 50 heat? what is the next challenge? Should i just try to speedrun at all the heats or maybe do fresh file?

not sure what to do. When I beat the game for the first time 2 months ago i didn't think i'd even be able to do 32 heat ever

Hades has been an amazing game tho

i guess i could try fresh file

or continue to push my max heat. But it feels like going for 60 heat would be insane, i don't know if i could ever do it

[rustic vale]

anyheat speedrunning

[lavish sorrel]

whatever you want! There are multiple ways of playing the game after all

I will defend noresets-freshfile and variety-highheat to death, but if this is not your jam that's fine

[edgy pilot]

what are those? are these mods?

[edgy pilot]

it seems like this could be a lot of fun. probably wouldn't be too frustrating

[lavish sorrel]

noresets freshfile means playing out every run1 and clearing as many times as one can

variety highheat means playing a bit of every aspect at high heat

[edgy pilot]

where does high heat start?

[lavish sorrel]

32+

If you want a significant challenge then getting every aspect to 50 provides that fivefold

[edgy pilot]

yeah maybe that should be my next

i have done fist/bow/sword at 40, rail at 50, so maybe i try getting some others to 50

what do u think is hardest to hit 50 with?

[lavish sorrel]

bar none gilgamesh

Screw that aspect

[edgy pilot]

haha

what about by weapon tho?

[lavish sorrel]

Probably sword?

I mean there's arthur which is facetanky most of the way, and then you hit 45 heat and cry, and then hit 50 heat and cry again, because the damage is bad and dad is hard (but at least the build is consistent)
And there's nemesis, where you hit 45 heat and cry, and hit 50 heat and cry again, because EM4 is hard / AP2 is bad (but at least the damage is generally good)

[edgy pilot]

yeah i used nemesis on sword mostly

i ran arthur once just to try it

but it was at very low heat i think

[peak parrot]

I like big bonk

[edgy pilot]

felt strange to me

i was already used to nemesis and was trying to hit 32 heat so i think i just stuck w/ that

[lavish sorrel]

Plays very different from the 3 others

[edgy pilot]

maybe i try to do rama 50 next

[rustic vale]

True it’s just dstrike -> dstrike repeat instead of dstrike x2 -> special -> repeat

[lavish sorrel]

Inaccurate

[peak parrot]

Nah nah nah full committing the normal swings is where its at. I really don't like dstriking with arthur at all

[lavish sorrel]

Also inaccurate

[peak parrot]

Normal swings with dashes in between for placement*

[lavish sorrel]

Still inaccurate

[peak parrot]

(I'm still working towards 10 heat I don't have much to say on it I'm a baby)

[rustic vale]

Dash-striking with arthur is pretty nice like you hit double edge and you have 100 base damage dstrikes 😁

[lavish sorrel]

If there is no deployed special-AoE, special.
If an enemy is currently spawning in and you're not in immediate danger, pre-emptively attack twice to hit the currently spawning enemy with the third hit.
If you are being swarmed by savior-enemies, dash-special with the goal of having wallslams and bodyslams deal with these extra blue hearts. If you have Double Edge you may also consider dashstrike spam.
If you are in immediate danger (or are playing a bossfight and aren't sure that you're safe), dashstrike. Especially if you have Double Edge.
Else, standing strike spam. Especially if you have Shadow Slash.

[lavish sorrel]

(Still inaccurate but that's about as much as I remember from doing arthur 50)

[rustic vale]

sounds pretty solid

I was thinking for speed tbh

[lavish sorrel]

Ah

[rustic vale]

Btw

just double checked the Jazz damage rotations video

arthur is just dstrike (for speed)

[lavish sorrel]

For anyheat sure

[rustic vale]

yeah I was about to clairify

Obviously you have more to actually care about when the game is way more dangerous

[lavish sorrel]

(Ngl you can still do 45 or 50 with ds spam it's just not always best and can result in more frequent timeouts)

[rustic vale]

oh while you’re here

what’s the Chopp rotation

[lavish sorrel]

Ds -> attack

Sometimes attack spam or ds spam but in general ds->atk. Very rarely, if you need to clear out a group of enemies (or need extra distance from a dash nova hammer you got forced into), you can consider a special or dash-special. Note that dash nova is actually not too bad on chopp, you're usually not using the special anyway. You also cannot get flurry slash or cruel thrust on chopp which is a net positive for 2nd hammer consistency.

If you want there's probably a low% vod of mine somewhere where I do it on a run or two, and high heat runs by scratch and myself with chopp too

[short goblet]

Big shot

I love the spear

[rustic vale]

I like spear but it doesn’t like me back tbh

easily my worst weapon

[lavish sorrel]

nodding, handshake

even though I'm pretty sure the common consensus is spears >>> swords (exceptions apply), the four spears took me a while, while the swords (if you ignore the 100 previous hours of sword high heat I tried beforehand and failed repeatedly) all kinda went by fast once scratch told me about chopp

[old bluff]

Spears clear swords

[peak parrot]

What do you mean by chopp? I mightve missed that and I need ways to improve my game

[lavish sorrel]

Chopp is a community-nickname given to the sword's World Splitter hammer

[peak parrot]

Ahhhh thank you

[lavish sorrel]

Specifically, it refers to one build-path involving that hammer, that sees some occasional use in high heat, as well as Fresh File to Credits No Unlocks

[rustic vale]

The spears highkey were the worst for both heat and speed for me even achilles like

conceptually it shouldn’t be that different from sword

They both have narrow dash strikes

[lavish sorrel]

(Spear range is like 3 times longer which helps its cause. Also it gets flurry jab lmfao)

[rustic vale]

That’s what I’m thinking like

It should be easier due to range

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah ikr

As I said, the theory says spears >>>

The practice in my (and apparently your) case says swords >>>

[rustic vale]

Yeah I’m not sure what quite makes them operate that differently

I doubt it’s a width difference

does spear maybe have a deadzone on the dstrikes?

[peak parrot]

I'm curious and sorry if you answered this already but just saw your link in victoryposting, why do you prefer Fiery over Shadow Presence? Most of what I've read prefer the constant backstab boost

[rustic vale]

for speedrunning most weapons prefer fiery to hit break-points where they can one-two shot enemies from any direction

Your biggest problem for speed is often individual enemies

same idea for high heat until you have to add in damage-control

[latent moon]

Fiery does a lot for Tartarus and asphodel, doesn't do too much in Ely except for flamewheels, eyeballs, and witches but that's still a good chunk of the run
Backstabs are mainly useful against very tanky enemies in Ely, minibosses, and bosses but the realistic value an average player is gonna get out of it is very low lmao

The average player isn't keeping in mind positioning for backstabs if they're struggling against hades, they're thinking about positioning to not get smacked lol

[rustic vale]

use shadow presence for bonus support fire damage

[raw plover]

I FINALLY UNDERSTOOD SPEEDBOAT

Not as a ship but

[peak parrot]

I suppose I've been slowly realizing how important it is to get rid of the mobs ASAP as I've been increasing heat. That makes a lot of sense actually

[rustic vale]

???

[raw plover]

Like Charon and hermes as a duo (I hope)

[peak parrot]

Absolutely right I still focus on dodging, not chasing for the backstabs so its a passive boost occassionally 😅 idk why I thought constant passive was better i guess

Appreciate the input

[rustic vale]

Oh some crack-ship thing

[raw plover]

I went to my dad, DAD I BEAT HADES FOR THE FIRST TIME, he said that’s nice (he’s killed hades 15 times on only one of his accounts)

[peak parrot]

Dad sounds like a Certified Gamer

[raw plover]

He is

He kills hades every other run

Once 8 times in a row

[rustic vale]

I’m actually way too used to Dad refering to Hades

[raw plover]

Or more can’t remember

I tell him appa, this game teaches me if you beat your dad up enough he becomes nice to you

[peak parrot]

I'm gonna use that

[raw plover]

The name is so creative though

[tough ocean]

Show him up by beating 32 heat, thus mirroring the story of zagreus proving himself

[ripe stirrup]

Sub chat

Just wanted to say

I'M LOVING THIS GAME

So strict

[slow nebula]

And ask your relatives for help!

[autumn yew]

man this game is awesome

Made it to the bone serpent that's the farthest I've gotten

[cerulean otter]

That's a hilarious ship name oh my god

Also Hermes/charon isnt really a crack ship lol

Anyways am I the only one that finds Theseus funny

Like if I personally had to deal with him I would HATE him sooo much but as an outsider I like him

[gritty topaz]

Bull of minos is better

He acknowledged my strength

Theseus just calls me borderline slurs

[frozen lion]

Theseus would be the kind of person to call Zagreus the f slur ngl

He gives off disgusting vibes

Asterius is the goat though

[jagged hamlet]

No, he's the bull

[quick creek]

Zagreus: escapes hades, kills the god of the dead
Also him: gets mauled by a bear

[tacit ember]

ok but have you seen bears

[quick creek]

Yes mate i have seen bears

[twilit lodge]

It was the other kind of bear

[tacit ember]

lol ap2 third boon calculated risk

no yarn or anything

[tacit ember]

bruh died 2.1 nem 51

honestly not as painful as rama

could have beaten if i wasnt skillissued

didnt have great damage, mostly just a lv 2 common aphro attack and zeus call

support fire ig

[peak parrot]

Riiiip

How did you guys build up to 50+heat? I'm curious how you approached the grind, even getting to 8 drastically lowers my winrate

[latent moon]

learning how to build an aspect properly, use a good mirror and pact, and practice

you generally want to get like consistent-ish with 32/40 before you think about doing 50

or like 32 -> 40 -> 45/50 heat basically

proper build/mirror/pact are fairly easy at 32/40 heat, you gotta figure out on your own how to play well lmao

[peak parrot]

real

[latent moon]

but given like a standard build, mirror, and pact, the average player would be able to clear 40 imo

a lot of people go into 32 using a horrid pact and build making it incredibly hard for themselves

and use like an effective 37-40 heat pact lmfao

[peak parrot]

I use leereamsnyder for my builds most of the time if you're familiar with that site

[latent moon]

yeah

it's pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[peak parrot]

Oh hell yeah

[latent moon]

that's prob the easiest and best resource for good builds

[peak parrot]

That was a godsend when I was 100% Hades 2

[latent moon]

the worst by a mile is reddit lmfao don't get builds from that

[peak parrot]

Really made a lot of boons click

[peak parrot]

Theres a reason I'm chatting here not there lmao

[latent moon]

real

there's also a heat progression guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies which would help prepare you for 32 heat

[peak parrot]

I've been slowly increasing the heat by 1 with each weapon

[latent moon]

it does take em3 super early but you can mess around with the pact still as long as it's the same core

[peak parrot]

I should really look at the pinned stuff

I'm not super discord proficient

[latent moon]

there aren't too many relevant pins tbf

[peak parrot]

That author seems familiar

[latent moon]

other than the 2 i mentioned, the only other important pin is in #h1-story-discussion for how to get the hidden aspects

[latent moon]

lmao if you go down more in the pins for high heat, you'll find a spreadsheet with heat progression 1-32

[peak parrot]

Oh I had that no problem

I appreciate the rundown btw

[latent moon]

that's the one i was referencing mainly, the 32 heat guide isn't too useful until you want to actually do 32 heat unless you want to look at the builds, which is more or less the same as the leereamsnyder one with like a handful extra

[peak parrot]

Even if I dont commit to it yet its not a bad idea to get familiar with seeking and using those builds for sure

[latent moon]

i mean any coherent build can clear 32 heat tbf

i only wrote a few for each bc those are just better than others

actually now that i think about it i prob wrote way too many for it to be "a handful" lmao

[peak parrot]

I'm excited to dig in

I will say I did have the foresight to turn on Forced Overtime early

Man does that really change things

[latent moon]

going faster does wonders to the game

[peak parrot]

Oooh that spreadsheet is nice

I guess I wasn't too far off thinking to practice with FO but I didn't realize how important EM was for higher heat

I def need to practice those

Alright I guess I'll do a run tonight, you convinved me 😮‍💨

[latent moon]

yeah em is pretty important bc those fights you can actually practice for since they're more or less consistent

just don't do em4 lmao

[peak parrot]

I did it once for the achievement and just like Hades 2, I shall never again 😂

[iron bramble]

Em4 is for the hype moments and aura.

[autumn yew]

How the hell do I deal with this stupid ass bull

minos made a mistake bro

quit charging at me

[rustic vale]

Bait him into hitting a pillar

[autumn yew]

ah

the cliche

right

that makes a lot of sense actually

[rustic vale]

You also have invincibility frames when dash

so you can jusr dash through him

then he has to turn all the way around

gives you a bit of time

[autumn yew]

yeah maybe attempting to dash attack away from him constantly while panicking probably isn't the way to do it

[rustic vale]

Dash-striking is your best damage option like 95% of the time but you don’t want to do it defensively

dash-strikes cause you to lose the iframes

[autumn yew]

fair enough

[autumn yew]

ah

Oh well

I did beat the serpent so

mission accomplished in a way

spear is goated

[rustic vale]

nice

[autumn yew]

why does everybody keep asking if the horse was okay
Cause of death: stampeding

[rustic vale]

[lavish sorrel]

<@&456908176877551658>

😌

[peak parrot]

Took me WAYYY too long to realize that

[flat bane]

Hey, how do I unlock the ability to forge bonds with Hermes and Hypnos. I got everybody else, I'm just missing those two. Their last few hearts are locked for me.

[rustic vale]

Hermes has to do with talking to him while using his 3 star keepsake (this is an rng dialogue line btw), and Hypnos has an arc with Thanatos

about becoming a better employee

I think Hypnos you just need to talk to Hypnos and Than but you might want to double check the wiki

[flat bane]

Oh yeah, we have a wiki page. I forgor lmao

Thanks, mate

[drifting hatch]

Any tips for how to beat Theseus with a bow? I keep getting blocked by his shield.

I'm playing an Aspect of Hera build with Aphrodite cast and Artemis attack.

[autumn yew]

ugh

god damn it

i hate theseus!!
i hate the bull!!

i hate them!!!! RAAAAAA

[peak parrot]

honestly what worked best for me was to treat the bow like a melee weapon

quick dash through him and quick shot in the back

I don't know much about Hera though

[rustic vale]

Dash-strike more

Bow is really just a melee weapon tbh

[jagged hamlet]

Triple Shot bow more of a melee weapon than the actual melee weapons

[rustic vale]

Do you have access to demeter’s keepsake? Crush Burst (crush shot + snow burst from demeter) works a load more efficiently and then you can still take artemis if you find her

[drifting hatch]

Thank you!

[drifting hatch]

Are there any casts that can go through a shield though?

[rustic vale]

Artemis cast is the only one that directly pierces shields, slicing shot just doesn’t care

I think Trippy Flare doesn’t care

[drifting hatch]

Is Artemis Cast decent with Hera?

Or Slicing Shot, for that matter?

[rustic vale]

Not really

You trade off all your base damage and the aoe of aphro cast for the crit chance and shield piercing it’s just not worth it

and slicing shot like the other lasting casts kinda misses the hera’s ability to just spam out a ton of casts to kill an enemy and then immediately pick them back up and redo the whole thing

[drifting hatch]

I have the one that regenerates casts though

[peak parrot]

I'm not an expert so take this with a grain of salt, but don't you want Infernal for insane burst over Stygian?

[drifting hatch]

That’s probably better, but I prefer the consistency of being able to use my cast at regular intervals rather than having to go pick them up

[peak parrot]

Fair that's what I usually do, I'm terrible with casting builds in general

Those aspects were the last I unlocked, I've really only done like 2 full cast runs with the hidden shield

There was an insane difference in dps when I switched over between those two runs

Maybe give Infernal another chance?

[vast raven]

infernal >>>> stygian for cast builds in almost every scenario, the main ones i can think of being hera and beowulf both really like infernal

[silent raft]

ayy

[alpine stratus]

hADES!!!!!!!!!1

DAMN

[hollow heron]

third

[silent raft]

new emoji when

[hollow heron]

this is so hype

[lusty cosmos]

Here we go

[visual agate]

hello hello

[rustic vector]

[alpine stratus]

oh i love it has its own channel

hades (hades) like vriska (vriska)

[visual agate]

im not getting the game yet tho

[covert glen]

The hype exists

[barren sonnet]

My body is ready

[covert glen]

The hype can't be stopped

[lucid plover]

hi i'm already in love

[lusty cosmos]

When I saw Early Access I got scared, but it checks out

[regal valley]

I just got it holy moly waiting on dl

[covert glen]

The hype is all powerful

[pastel coral]

Well, it looks interesting, and I will definitely buy it

[void tangle]

Have they said if early access is coming to switch or not?

[daring rune]

I don't like early access on principle, but its supergiant, aaah so conflicting

[lucid plover]

im going to wait out on buying until i see more people testing it out

[hollow heron]

roguelikes/lites function super well with early access

[lucid plover]

same connor

[hollow heron]

because balance is super important

[vivid spoke]

Seriously tempted already, I don’t play pc games, PS4 guy, but the thought is there

[lusty cosmos]

I'll wait until it fully comes to buy it m,yself.

[lucid plover]

i want to wait but also HYPE

[noble ingot]

i love when roguelikes have early access, it was like that with nuclear throne too and it was so fun to see it evolve

[flat shell]

So the FAQ says other platforms than epic games are possible after early access, if I understand it right

[barren sonnet]

This seems amazing but does this mean supergiant is going to release games exclusively on epic games launcher?

[daring rune]

good, id much rather steam

[gaunt bane]

WELP

[stray island]

I just want the whole SGG team to know how much I love your vision, you’ve absolutely won me over with the Greek myth stuff

[gaunt bane]

walks in unfolds chair sits down