h1-discussion

[tacit ember]

made it to 1.3 helmode ff

had 2 athena boons in styx with chance to get legnedary but didnt

would have prolly won if gotten lol

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[elfin jewel]

i finally got my sub 10

i feel like my hades was fast as hell but my pace was good from the start

[bleak crest]

Helo everyone Im new

[lavish sorrel]

hello new I'm alexca

[bleak crest]

You guys do speedrunning n stuff

[frozen lion]

Some of em

[tacit ember]

I run from the bus stop to my destination cuz I refuse to get up and catch an earlier one

[bleak crest]

Fair Fair

[tacit ember]

Unfathomably based I know

[bleak crest]

Love your pfp btw

[tacit ember]

It's great right

[bleak crest]

Yh its similar to mine on Xbox

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lock-in-gif-12021618010981182913

[bleak crest]

ts is me rn first day back at school and they gave me 3 tests to study for this week :/

3! On the first day back

[tacit ember]

I couldn't take my last exam because I apparently forgot to sign up bruh

I could have sworn I double checked and did sign up but ig i didn't

• you start school in April?

[bleak crest]

Nah I mean first day after a 2 week holiday we get

[bleak crest]

Dam

[lavish sorrel]

@tacit ember #h1-victory-boasting message
gilgamesh dashstrikes deal basically 0 base damage but can be chained together pretty fast (the more times per second you can activate doom, the better), doom and by extension ME doesn't care how much base damage a move has

[tacit ember]

at that point do you even use the gilga gimick anymore

[lavish sorrel]

define "the gilga gimmick"

[tacit ember]

special claw doom thingy

[rustic vale]

Virtually neverp

[lavish sorrel]

wdym
maim's still ok to use on ME, it's a universal damage buff

has a use on bosses and minibosses. there are unique meg setups for gilgamesh only to account for maim

[tacit ember]

i thought all main did was do damage after a couple of seconds

[lavish sorrel]

well, now you know, it also buffs all incoming damage

[lavish sorrel]

(for that enemy and you (from said enemy) because they just had to make the already worst aspect in the game worse)

[tardy plume]

shrug main point is that gilgamesh is a forgiving weapon on smth like 32 heat

So i just went for an oonga boonga pact

[tacit ember]

wdym forgiving

[tardy plume]

Idk i dun have to think much and i don't die

On any run i did with it

[tacit ember]

ok

[tardy plume]

Just to last boss bc i hold the dash strike

More ads and more health meant i just needed to hold it down more

LC4 and HL would make it less oonga boonga so i didn't take them

[stiff obsidian]

gilgamesh is the least forgivingaspect

[tacit ember]

gilgamesh when i hold shield block

[stiff obsidian]

gilgamesh when gilgachad walks in

[tacit ember]

🧐

gilgamesh when gilgascreen walks in

[rustic vale]

This is like actively untrue

[vast raven]

32 is free tho it is the "spicy anyheat"

h2 rot 😭

[stiff obsidian]

h2 spoilers, you implied it exists

[tacit ember]

i dont get it

que h2 rot

[stiff obsidian]

same

[tacit ember]

oh i get it

cuz they said anyfear

and h2 rot liek brainrot

[tardy plume]

🫡 okay my bad maybe it's just my experience, ive not really had a hard time with it

sorry if i generalized that

[rustic vale]

It’s more like everything the aspect does actively makes it more dangerous and easier to take damage than other aspects tbh

Shorter dashes, longer dash-strikes, and a longer cooldown between dashes means it’s way easier to get hit

[stiff obsidian]

i dont remember my zagrail pb

dam

[rustic vale]

Yours is 3:46

You’re welcome

[stiff obsidian]

thats a time

[tardy plume]

Ohhh gotcha that's a really good point, learned something new i guess

[vivid elbow]

hey could someone help me out i just reached this new area it took me around 180 hours

its like this cool fire place with boats

[tacit ember]

make a nether portal to get back home

[frozen lion]

Hold on, it took you 180 hours to reach Asphodel?

[vagrant light]

i figured it out. i sucked so bad at meg's fight because i was distracted by her theme its too good to ignore

[tulip nova]

strange question, what subgenre of metal does Unseen Ones fall into?

[shut tulip]

😭😭😭😭

[tacit ember]

got to 1.3 again hellmode ff

[earnest turtle]

[high hamlet]

Do you HAVE to do the fated rivals thing for achievements? I wanna 100% the game but honestly the rivals thing is just the most horrid part of the game

like I've pretty much upgraded everything I can and it's still extremely difficult to just get past Hecate

[muted glen]

Wrong channel, but yes

[high hamlet]

what channel is the right one...?

OOOHHH

[muted glen]

Yeah lmfao

[high hamlet]

yeah I didn't notice

[winter scarab]

[magic iris]

Is there a way I can transfer my Xbox save data to my ps5 for H1 or nah? /gq

[pure crystal]

Guys hades 1 is on discount can someone gift me please I can't buy right now

[drowsy kettle]

ask your parents

[pure crystal]

They don't give any video games

They think all games are bad

I played hades 1 way before in free xbox game pass I reached hades but couldn't beat him

Really wanna play the game now and complete

[jagged hamlet]

Video games will rot your teeth out!

[fringe dust]

A lot of people have a hard time with it, but I'm in the same camp as you where i had an easier time with it than most weapons tbh

Paws up gamer

[jade urchin]

Hello

[midnight thicket]

I just got Hades I off of steam today, im so happy

[pure crystal]

I want hades too😿

[tepid plover]

Just get it bro

Its the simple

[pure crystal]

I can't😿

[tepid plover]

Unfortunate

Youre missing out on peak bro

[pure crystal]

I know😿

[tacit ember]

i would also like a copy of hades thanks

[lavish sorrel]

i would also like a copy of hades thanks

[tepid plover]

i would also thanks a hades of a copy like

[stiff obsidian]

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Here you go

[solid ledge]

Supergiant cooked so hard I can't even find myself to like other isometric games now

[bleak crest]

Fellas which is better Stubborn defiance or Death defiance

[lavish sorrel]

depends what for

speedrunning and anything else at relatively low heat (< 32), regular

anything at or above 32, stubborn

[bleak crest]

Ah ok thanks

Na cuz it seems like stubborn is beter cuz you get a life each chamber but only 30% back

[lavish sorrel]

stubborn defiance lets you bypass Lasting Consequences for free by dying

part of why it's so useful in high heat

[bleak crest]

I mean it’s usually bosses that end up killing me I don’t have that much trouble with normal chambers unless it js spams witches

[frozen lion]

Witches are fine for me
You can volley em off the field really fast due to the low health

even with CP2

[bleak crest]

I’ll have to try that cuz the split ones always get me

So annoying

[frozen lion]

<@&456908176877551658> you should check it out too

[void vigil]

😳

[frozen lion]

Thanks Lev
You da goat

[stiff sonnet]

people have been filling out these grids with all their favourite games, thought you guys might appreciate my one lol
https://bsky.app/profile/sophies.games/post/3mjctnkplc22u

Sophie ➡️ LGF (New Game Plus, 16th) (@sophies.games)

I'll do a serious one next, but

Bluesky · Apr 12, 2026, 5:07 PM

[bold basin]

How to get bloodlust prophey?

[lavish sorrel]

in hades, if you have a problem, 95% of the time the solution is "keep playing the game and it'll happen on its own"

[bold basin]

Make sense thanks

[tacit ember]

hader

[wary sun]

Is Hades the final boss? Got to him today for first time and got him to like 30-40%

[rare jasper]

Yep, but that doesn't mean that the game doesn't get any harder than that

[wary sun]

Although i’ve had fun in the short time i’ve played i’ll probably bounce off to something different after beating him. To many other games I want to play. I’ll be checking out Hades 2 eventually though

[rare jasper]

Fair enough, I guess

As a roguelike I will say that Hades is at it's best when you're pouring a good amount of playtime into it

Replay value and all

[wary sun]

I see the appeal but just have other games I want to play. This was just filler game after finishing Black myth wukong because it was only $6 but its certainly fun. I wish the meta progression had more to it feels like I already maxed the mirror minus boon bonuses

[rare jasper]

a lot of it is in the skill you build up between runs and the aspects of the infernal arms

you do have to wanna play for the storylines with the characters, admittedly

hades 2 has a much more robust central story and a little less monotony thanks to the two paths you're allowed to play through on any given night, so that might be more your speed

[agile panther]

Are you forced to do the epilogue once you hand out all invites? Or do you have a chance to delay it for a bit? I want to finish raising some other affinities first. Once I do the epilogue mission, I'm going to take a break for a while and come back for the achievements. I want the epilogue to be my ending for this current playthrough iteration. And then I'll just keep playing as normal, maybe a few months from now, once I take a little break from the game. I hope the game gives me an "are you ready" prompt with a Yes, no.

[rustic vale]

There isn’t a “yes no” option iirc

It’s been a hot 400 hours so I might be misremembering

[latent moon]

i think the last step is to talk to persephone when you send all the invites

so as long as you dont talk to her you should be fine?

[agile panther]

Im a hundred hours in myself, it's been a great ride but I'm ready to get off. I guess Ill avoid talking to my mom until im ready.

thats what i guessed. But she has other lines and random stuff I dont want to lock off because she waiting for me to report back in.

Artemis's affinity is taking forever to finally unlock. I swear to all that is holy. She talked about Calliope several times. I'm not sure what the problem is

[latent moon]

considering the priority dialogue system, i think you're probably locked out of any dialogue with her before you can do anything else

[rustic vale]

I can’t think of any relationships bottlenecked by persephone

[latent moon]

but yeah

i was gonna say the same thing, you should be fine

[agile panther]

its good then, i still have Poseidon and Demeter. I know Demeter is locked off post-epilogue, so I can avoid talking to her until I'm finally done with Tan and Achilles' affinities. That's going to end a lot of runs in the early stage before I have my god pool established, but I don't really mind. I've come too far to not stick the landing. Is Than more likely to appear if I go through a health door, or does RNG just randomly take over a room and make it into a Than room?

[latent moon]

rng

the only restriction is that like he can't show up in the first few chambers of each biome

but otherwise you just have to hope you see him in run or in house

[agile panther]

I thought he always appeared in-house after you saw him in a run. Can he appear in the house randomly without you seeing him in the previous run? Once I finish with him, Aphrodite will give me her affinity, and then it'll just be Artemis. Homegirl refuses to give me the last heart. I don't know what her problem is.

Well, there it goes. It finally unlocked. The game heard me complaining.

[rustic vale]

Pretty sure it’s only after encountering him in a run

[latent moon]

didn't know that's how that worked lmao

[tepid plover]

I can't believe the health thing is still going around lmao

[wary sun]

I’ll definitely check it out thanks

[brisk trail]

she has 6 dialogs about Callisto and it's random, I checked my save with an editor and I only have 2 out of 6 and I'm past the epilogue lmao, just don't bother, there is no cheevo for maxing all gods

[fickle aspen]

not sure where to put this

when do i unlock the ability to give hades nectar/get his keepsake? and does persephone have a keepsake as well or is her keepsake only in h2?

[tepid plover]

Post credits

Persephone has her own keepsake. You can get it from when she comes back to the house

[brisk trail]

both keepsakes are available only after the ending i.e. 10 clears

[pure crystal]

Can someone gift me hades 1 it's on sale too please

[brisk trail]

bro, it's $6

[tepid plover]

its on sale, get it

[pure crystal]

I cant

😿

[tepid plover]

unfortunate

[pure crystal]

Will you help please

[midnight thicket]

Its 75% off right now on steam

[pure crystal]

I.cant get it right now

Can u help please

[midnight thicket]

Nah i can’t Im broke now, i just got another game today

Sorry

[pure crystal]

Nice nice

[midnight thicket]

😞

[pure crystal]

It's okay

[fickle aspen]

about this, does it have to be 10 different clears (e.g. different heats/weapons) or can it be 10 of the same type of clear

[brisk trail]

any clears, just beat the final boss, and he even ||refuses to fight|| on the 10th run, so that's a free win

[fickle aspen]

ok that makes it a lot easier thanks

[shadow marlin]

we need a switch 2 patch for hades 1 😭

[tacit ember]

We need an h1 update with hammer reworks lol

[tepid plover]

Coming next week

[brisk trail]

if there's an update they should make it so that Divine Dash qualifies for Merciful End

taking Athena flourish and never using it is such a waste

[fickle aspen]

5/10

[lavish sorrel]

it used to be a requirement at some point in EA

then that was changed, because duh, obviously having one of the two best dashes open one of the most generally strong duoboons in the game is NOT balanced 😭

[brisk trail]

it's just lame, Sea Storm works with any core boons from Zeus/Poseidon, but Merciful End specifically needs strike+flourish

and Sea Storm is also one of the best duos

[lavish sorrel]

this is not true

pos dash doesn't open sea storm

for much the same reason

[brisk trail]

just the dash? what about the cast?

[lavish sorrel]

anything but the dash

even the two calls work, which is not a coreboon

[brisk trail]

huh, sneaky bastards, they know we want to pick the dash

[lavish sorrel]

the game doesn't lie to you this time (it sometimes does)! the codex lists the coreboons that open it as it should :)

[brisk trail]

well, apart from this, there's also that mirage shot beowulf bug

with beowulf the followup cast hits for 100% rather than 30% which is broken

[lavish sorrel]

beo mirage bug is the tip of the iceberg

[lavish sorrel]

(as my status suggests, there is a bunch of stuff the game doesn't tell the player or flatout gets wrong)

[brisk trail]

I'd rather they fixed that and removed the +10% damage taken debuff from beowulf, because it doesn't do anything anyway, why have it

[lavish sorrel]

if it doubled damage taken then we'd be talking 👍

[brisk trail]

well there's guanyu which is kinda double damage due to half health

probably overkill tbh

[lavish sorrel]

gy is a strong heat aspect and makes up for this lower health by having decent damage-output in the span of 1 hammer and boon and good safety overall

it has beaten 64 modded, and mirrorless AP1 61 unmodded (shoutouts to playad)

[brisk trail]

so it needs 1 specific hammer while you're at half health, sounds pretty rough for casual play

[tacit ember]

Hades players when aspect is high skill floor

[frozen lion]

Guan Yu is the only spear aspect that exists as far as I'm concerned

[latent moon]

ngl a majority of aspects in this game needs a hammer to be good lmao

some don't need it to be usable/fine for casual play tbf

but for like higher level play, you kinda do need that hammer

[tacit ember]

Bestia rail

[latent moon]

but like it is higher level play where you do need things to go right to win or get a low time so it's kinda expected

[latent moon]

in beo's defense, beo has more harmful bugs than helpful bugs, it's just that 1 helpful bug kinda just turns it into a nuke lmfao

and also yeah ME and sea storm not having dash as a prereq was a way to balance those duos bc otherwise they'd be too easy to get

[brisk trail]

what harmful bugs?

[latent moon]

when the casts are popping, you don't have iframes

if you take uh the dem upgrade boon i forgot the name for it atm

your charged shot damage goes from 80 to 50 (or whatever the base damage is for normal rush)

selling your attack (or anything maybe?? i forgot the specific) when you have passion or icy flare changes the blast radius of those casts to base cast

[latent moon]

i think this also applies to eurydice but not sure, maybe if it upgrades your cast or attack it bricks the damage

there's prob some mroe im missing

it's been a while

[brisk trail]

man that's a lot, I think I'll just play Achilles for my casting needs, beo seemed kinda clunky anyways

[lavish sorrel]

you are confusing 2 bugs methinks
cast sell / replacements cause small flare
attack sell / replacement can (but not always) cause beo cshot to break

[latent moon]

oh i remember there being a bug doc it saying specifically passion and icy

[brisk trail]

I've tried ice wine + feast on both achilles and beowulf and achilles was way stronger, so it seems like beowulf is mostly for exploiting mirage shot

[latent moon]

although tbf it might be really outdated bc more bugs have been discovered since then and i dont think it got updated

[tacit ember]

I will use a shovel because the steam roller has a broken door handle

[latent moon]

ice wine on beo is pretty bad, there's a delay before it explodes which is super annoying
and you have to run trippy flare, which needs to run stygian soul in the mirror so you're gambling for more casts anyways

it's great on achilles tho

but also beo doesn't have to always use mirage shot'

for high heat (that doesn't have ri2) you can do passion flare + snow burst/frost strike/mistral dash with priv status

the damage is pretty comparable to mirage shot ngl

[brisk trail]

I mean beowulf just seems like a beta version of Medea, they ironed out all these quirks in 2

[latent moon]

it's not better bc less aoe but it's pretty good

[latent moon]

it's a sequel for a reason lmao

also iirc beo got like very little testing in the EA of this game bc it was one of the last released aspects

so like oopsies lmao

also i haven't kept up with the h2 scene but afaik there aren't like any game breaking bugs in h2, it's a lot more polished game than h1 for obv reasons

[brisk trail]

hope they make another Hades 1 patch some day, like Team Cherry went back to patching Hollow Knight after releasing Silksong

[latent moon]

it's been like 6 years or something since h1 got fully released, i doubt it lmfao

maybe someone in the modding community can fix all the bugs if they really felt like it lmfao

[lavish sorrel]

there was some communication about this when the last update released saying the hades is done and there'd be nothing more done on its development

[brisk trail]

Hollow Knight is older, it's a 2017 game

[latent moon]

fair i suppose

diff dev team tho and diff goals/standards

but also like

the average player isn't gonna notice these bugs lmao

[brisk trail]

if there's a new console release of Hades 1 they could as well patch some bugs I guess

[latent moon]

or like game balance, they just play what they like

[lavish sorrel]

tbhimo styx is one giant bug and needs to be removed 🔥

[latent moon]

real

[lavish sorrel]

ely too while you're at it

[latent moon]

true!!

do you know if h2 has something equivalent to blue man group like in h1

just curious, dont have to be specific yes/no would be fine

[brisk trail]

what's that

[lavish sorrel]

less extreme, enemy weights are more balanced. still in some cases can lose 30 secs compared to the best room though

[latent moon]

that's good to hear, it felt like that

[vast raven]

the real bug is the game known as hades

[latent moon]

in ely, unarmored swordsmen and archers can have a 3 wave spawn and take forever, dubbed blue man group bc they are blue

huge detriment to high heat and speedrunning

[brisk trail]

oh I see, I only hate the shield guys, if there's nothing but them it can take a while

[vast raven]

||tart rooms in h2 can be stupid long if you just get gold bagged, i dont think it’s necessarily lower extremes, just fewer instances where it can occur||

[tacit ember]

The real bugs were the friends we made along the way

[latent moon]

mmm yeah that makes sense i've experienced that

[fickle aspen]

finally got my 6th clear 4 more until i get the juicy stuff

[tacit ember]

Start pushing heat

[fickle aspen]

i would but idk which ones to pick

[jagged hamlet]

Might as well get used to quicker enemies early

[tacit ember]

Read the descriptions perhaps

[vast raven]

click them all if you're indecisive 🔥

[fickle aspen]

i did that already

and i still don’t know which ones to pick

[jagged hamlet]

Might as well get used to quicker enemies early

[fickle aspen]

ok so that’s one

[tacit ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1394734947180482570/1494443236222042283/markup_11166.png?ex=69e2a038&is=69e14eb8&hm=e433f0f8c3f730535a6c0556f60d36d8476968c76edebb485a578149e921436b&

All of these are pretty easy to take early

The only real difficulty would be from FO2 and em3

[fickle aspen]

instructions unclear i did max and died in the very first chamber

[tacit ember]

Bro couldnt take out 3 numskulls

[rustic vale]

Some of these issues are genuinely like absurd ngl

like the double strike glitch

genuinely no clue why it happens and I’ve looked at the relevant code for a solid half hour

[rustic vale]

I don’t think the game really needs a patch that will nuke every current speed and high heat run out of relevancy 6 years later. The only thing that could use some work is the Switch 2 version getting modified to actually fit the graphics specs of the Switch 2 instead of the Switch 1 atp since I’ve seen a fair few people complain about that

[brisk trail]

is the Switch 1 version 720p only or something?

[rustic vale]

I don’t know of the top of my head I know they just have different aspects

[rustic vale]

quick google says this is likely it

[brisk trail]

the console/PC versions go up to 1080p, so yeah the Switch version is a bit behind

[grizzled field]

how much gods can i have on a run?

[unkempt spear]

hiii just started playing today and joined here! Just saying hello

[coral hull]

Hi

[twilit lodge]

Without external manipulation the game stops giving you new gods once you have 4

[vast raven]

in most cases, there are some edge cases where a boon bag + boon reward in next room can give you a naturally occurring five god pool

[frozen lion]

#h2-discussion would have your back on that one :)

[tepid plover]

My bad gang

[frozen lion]

happens lol

[brisk trail]

My 1st rogue-like game .
This game is so addictive omg.

[tepid plover]

The bad thing about starting with hades as a roguelike is the bar is set high now

[stiff obsidian]

Relatable, I'm still looking for something as good as hades and deadcells

[tepid plover]

I recommend blazblue entropy effect, and astral ascent

They might fit the dead cells itch

As for hades, im afraid that one is on a league of its own

[stiff obsidian]

Ive moved on from roguelikes anyway

Keep coming back to hades tho

Have to do zagrail 55 this weekend

[brisk trail]

if you reach Styx with 3 gods, you can sometimes get 6 + Hermes, which gives +35% damage with family favorite

[latent moon]

you can get all 8

3 going into tartarus midshop, buying a god there, and having a 5th different one at the door

and forcing the remaining 3 in the next regions

[brisk trail]

but then your build will be ass

[tacit ember]

Bazinga

[latent moon]

it's not great but it is possible

[kindred hare]

For the Chaos defiance boon, I'm reading it's considered a legendary boon, and all I should need is at least one other Chaos boon. Do things that boost legendary boons help for this one, or is it all up to luck?

[lavish sorrel]

(almost) all rarity boosts help duo / legendary odds too!

so this includes yarns of ariadne, eurydice's nectar, chaos "favor" boons, etc.

[brisk trail]

gods' legacy in the mirror should help
though I wouldn't fish for the Chaos legendary, too much setup just for a bit of extra HP, you're better off just stacking hearts

[kindred hare]

yeh, just wanted to check since I hadn't seen it to know if it was an actual legendary or if Chaos boons were just pure random chaos

[latent moon]

You need it to complete a prophecy

So unfortunately you do kinda need to fish for it if you want to complete all of them

[rustic vale]

4 regular + hermes + chaos

I know somebody already said 4 but people often confuse hermes in with the 4 so I figured I’d clairify

[rustic vale]

The chaos legendary is unaffected by rarity boosts

it’s got a base like 1-2% chance? Per option rolled, and that isn’t changed by your extra duo/legendary chance

[kindred hare]

that's what I kinda suspected. for all the others I've already chased down, felt like I shoulda seen it by now if it worked like the rest. especially since the pre-req was just "one other Chaos boon," seemed like it'd be too easy to get if you could boost the odds

[fickle aspen]

does the river denizens achievement have to be done in one run?

[frozen lion]

No

[fickle aspen]

also another question

if i go from 2 heat to 6 heat, do i get the bounty rewards for 3-5 heat on top of 6 heat or just the bounty for 6 heat only

if that makes sense

[frozen lion]

You get the bounty for 3 heat

[lavish sorrel]

^
the game awards the bounty-levels one at a time no matter how much higher you go. if the game wants to give you bounties for 3 heat for the given weapon, even if you use more than 3 heat, you will still only get the 3-heat bounties.

exception for 0 heat specifically, which for whatever reason is tracked separately from the 20 other heat-levels that give bounties

[fickle aspen]

dawggg am i about to get cooked showed up to the boss arena for tartarus and ||all 3 sisters are there||

[brisk trail]

the other two are more like cheerleaders, it's not a big deal tbh

[fickle aspen]

ok nvm i made it without using any of my death defiances

yippee

[brisk trail]

gg

[valid osprey]

you are NOT ready for extreme measures elysium bro

[pure crystal]

I wish I could play hades 1

[clear forum]

may i ask why youre not able to?

[fickle aspen]

made it to the end

[pure crystal]

I don't have digital access to bank or card and parents don't give video games

[stiff obsidian]

Learn how to pirate stuff

[latent moon]

lmfao idk if that's something you should advocate for in a public game server

but also i feel like every time someone does it, it's of an older version and never current

[stiff obsidian]

i checked the rules

[latent moon]

i mean sure but it's still not a good idea

[stiff obsidian]

i think devs would agree with me

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/hearties-henery-wcth-when-calls-the-heart-some-how-free-always-tastes-better-lol-gif-16484809

[fickle aspen]

is heroic or legendary higher rarity

[brisk trail]

heroic is the max rarity, legendary is a different type of boon

[tacit ember]

The higher level companion is orange like legendary boons

[tepid plover]

Like wild bunny said, normal boons cna go up to heroic, legendary boons are a specific boon that can only come in legendary

[brisk trail]

oh yeah, the same goes for aspects, max is legendary, but those are really levels, not rarities

[inland fiber]

is 17 minutes considered a good clear time ?

[frozen lion]

Considering that some people take upwards of an hour, yea I guess so
But it's a singleplayer game, the important thing is to enjoy the experience as opposed to something like Valorant where you have other players you need to beat

[stiff obsidian]

its a bit above average i think

[lavish sorrel]

"Comparison is the thief of joy" and all that. Said already but Hades is a singleplayer game, how your performance compares to that of others doesn't matter.

[tacit ember]

Comparison is fun though

You get go hehehe I got higher

[lavish sorrel]

That being said, for a first clear? 17 minutes is incredible, far better than average. As a best time? Still fine, from casual clears posted here 17 minutes is about average. As a speedrun-time? Hot garbage.

[tacit ember]

17 min ff clear

😳

[lavish sorrel]

We quite clearly are talking about igt here

17 minute igt ff clear is fast (≈ 24 minutes rta) but nowhere near impossible

[stiff obsidian]

yea

[warm wren]

I just did something funny and I'm kinda surprised there wasn't special dialogue for it (went into a chaos gate with an active trove trial running)

[rustic vale]

Finally some common sense from you

[lavish sorrel]

I mean, I can guarantee there was dialogue for leaving the room during a trove. But not for entering a chaos gate specifically.

[warm wren]

Zag said "beg your pardon" or something along those lines but I'm pretty sure that's just generic Chaos Gate dialogue since it sounded pained

[tacit ember]

im always based

[fickle aspen]

how do you get charon’s loyalty card thingy

[abstract bloom]

i have a probleme in hades , when i launch the game he pop up a black screen

[tacit ember]

silk issue

[tacit ember]

if in a mid shop you find a bag of money grab that

it would be in the cage next to charon

[lavish sorrel]

"I beg your pardon" or "begging your pardon" is leaving the room during trove dialogue

[warm wren]

I see

well then

ignore me

that sounded sarcastic

I am not being sarcastic I genuinely mean to disregard my earlier remark

[lavish sorrel]

yeah nw

[tacit ember]

time to play hader

maybe i will beat rama 51 first try after not having played it in a while

[stiff obsidian]

wow i have to do rama 51 before you do

[tacit ember]

comparison is the thief of joy actually

[stiff obsidian]

no but when i do it i can go hehehe i got higher

[tacit ember]

true

[stiff obsidian]

but to be honest i think ill try achilles 55 first

[tacit ember]

bruh i keep throwing good starts on furies

bruh threw an epic aphro attakc first boon lol

50 hp start kinda hard

[stiff obsidian]

whats ur pact

[tacit ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329437187091075162/1495197758083301556/Hades_56.png?ex=69e55eec&is=69e40d6c&hm=51fc3036a4e78ff4bb5fe1fdf1b705517dfb744c0206096fd5f5d9179197335f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1104&height=621

prolly take off a cp for a level of cf

[stiff obsidian]

Yo what the actual hell

😭😭

Cf2 js3

Remove one ap and one cp

Actually js0 ap2 coooould be valid

I think I did that for rama aswell

No wait ur playing unmodded

[tacit ember]

js3 is so much bruh

[stiff obsidian]

Why the heck would u play ap2 50 unmodded

[tacit ember]

for fun

[stiff obsidian]

Hm

Js3 is skillgap

And ur swapping it out with the rng one hoping to highrol

I do this

[tacit ember]

maybe i will try it

[stiff obsidian]

I mean it if it works ig

But yea remove cp for cf

[tacit ember]

wow that aphro on death boon actually being helpful

got a room with a bunch of skulls with that clone power

[tacit ember]

im actually so cheeks bruh

silk issued

[latent moon]

i feel like the only reason why you see people take ap2 on 50 heat is bc they're playing modded

and can actually get a starting boon and hammer they want lmao

like technically you still can but the amount of good runs kinda just drops a lot

[tacit ember]

i did that for hestia and beo lol

i did get rly lucky with that beo run

[latent moon]

cf2, cp1, js3, and ap1 would prob be better, rama can delete rooms pretty well compared to hestia

[latent moon]

hestia famously doesn't need that many boons, and beo kinda same thing

beo with ri2 you literally just want/need passion flare

cshot isn't as good in heat bc you want safety

esp if you're doing em4

em3 cshot is still fine but you trade safety for damage

rama kinda wants very specific things compared to hestia and beo

[tacit ember]

i can barily make it to furies

i have like 1 min left or less

and i keep throwing to it lol

[vast raven]

idk i did for my first 50 iirc and i think a few past that

[latent moon]

unmodded ap2 sounds like hell but you do you lmfao

[latent moon]

i think i also had that issue with rama at high heat

[stiff obsidian]

its actually goated

[stiff obsidian]

yea i had this same problem with rama, my rotation was just not good enough

just a matter of getting that muscle memory in then even js3 should be fine

time to try achilles 55

🙏

is it better on kbm or controller

[tacit ember]

bruh furies are the hardest boss in the game

[latent moon]

lowkey need good rng in tart for rama to get good time

like either good hammer or good special that clears spam fast

mainly dio or zeus, lowkey prefer dio more at high heats than zeus on rama

or get lucky with a free room

i was looking at my rama 50 to maybe help for reference but it's ap2 ri0 lmfao my privileged ass cannot help you with pact

but like unironically, if you get twin or triple shot in tart i reckon you'd do a whole lot better, so good luck with rng lmao

[stiff obsidian]

on ap2 yeah not happening

[vast raven]

nothing ever happens

[stiff obsidian]

i need to figure out how to record stuff, i hate mac so much for this

[warm wren]

probably a stupid question: but how do some people have absurdly low clear counts for how high their heat counts are in #h1-victory-boasting

is that like a second file made exclusively for high heat runs?

[vast raven]

due to how hades tracks amount of runs done, at higher numbers usually at 1000+ the game starts to behave worse in terms of loads until it just isnt able to save for that reason, the mod pack includes the ability to delete old run data until there are fifty runs and part of that is also setting the wins to 50

[warm wren]

oh damn

Sidenote: I accidentally started a run with the wrong mirror of night talent equipped. Having only one dash sucks.

not to mention that tight deadline doesn't like it very much when I can't properly chase after Theseus

[latent moon]

the mod pack also keeps pbs of every aspect for heat and speed, so you don't lose that data either

so clearing your save file doesn't really harm anything important really

[vast raven]

^^^

[warm wren]

Also is the split timer present in a lot of screenshots down there part of the vanilla game or is that modded as well?

[vast raven]

thats modded

[lavish sorrel]

When in doubt, the ol' "point a phone at the screen" trick usually works :]

[stiff obsidian]

no it does not

thats just worse than obs

what

[little lark]

WAIT

RAMA GETS EXTRA ARROWS ON ITS SPECIAL WITH THE RELENTLESS VOLLEY BUFF?

THAT'S SO FUNNY

[trim bramble]

Yo

Does anyone know if it takes a while for Chaos to mention the shield

[little lark]

Wdym?

[trim bramble]

To unlock aspect of beowulf you need to reveal the aspect of guan yu then invest 5 titan blood into any shield aspects

Then go to Chaos with a shield equipped and he's supposed to have a dialogue about it

[lavish sorrel]

It's not a voiceline with super high priority so it might take a while before the game has exhausted all more important dialogue; just keep playing and you'll get it eventually if you have the requirements.

[lavish sorrel]

Chaos uses they/them

[trim bramble]

I revealed guan yu then got the aspect of chaos to lvl 1 and aspect of zeus to lvl 2

That should be enough right

[lavish sorrel]

Is that 5 blood total? I forget the costs

if it is 5 blood or more worth, yeah you have the requirements. Just gotta play and wait now

[trim bramble]

Yeah

1 for chaos and 2x2 for Zeus

[little lark]

The Virgin Zeus Aspect Abuser vs the Chad Chaos Aspect Enjoyer

[brisk trail]

just max out Zeus first, it's the most OP aspect in the game
beowulf is fun, but nowhere as safe, it can't block frontal attacks unless rushing

[raw herald]

It can

And from the side

[rustic vale]

What was the alternative application of relentless volley

You pick up the hammer that says +4 arrows on special and it gives you +4 arrows on special

[little lark]

Thought it'd like

Shoot 3 arrows more

I didn't expect it to turn the Special into a shotgun

[true dune]

Türk yok mu

[stiff obsidian]

can you not dashstrike while moving backwards on controller

[bold basin]

Aspect of hera > aspect of zeus

[tacit ember]

both zeus and beo need very little investment

very usable at lv 1

same goes for hera to some extent

[latent moon]

i feel like low level hera only works if you know what you're doing lmao

[bold basin]

i just go for any cast and it works

maybe its just the bow being broken

[latent moon]

should just use aphrodite cast and blow things up lmao

[bold basin]

My go to is dionaise

(The wine god)

[dense pelican]

I love that condiment

[polar echo]

what if you get one boon from every god before theseus
and when he goes to phase two, nothing happened, and the fight went on as normal

he tries to call out to a god, but nothing happens

achievement unlocked: Favored Champion

[rustic vale]

so like

there actually is a default case whenever this happens

If you ever have every god currently findable in pool, he defaults to Artemis

It’s pretty much guaranteed to see this interaction if you run fresh file since you can only find ares/artemis/athena/dionysus

and technically achievable before you reach the surface on subsequent runs (with Demeter out of pool you can actually achieve 7/7 to force this to happen)

[tacit ember]

default should have been athena for lore

[brisk trail]

isn't he Poseidon's son

[tacit ember]

i dont thin poseidon does much in the myth

[brisk trail]

but anyway, just nuke him with Thanatos/Megaera when he starts calling to gods, skips all of this nonsense and kills him

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

meg at the start to damage both guys

[brisk trail]

if you're on a strong build, sure, otherwise save it for Theseus

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/greg-gif-10432996508082524342

[rustic vale]

Default should’ve by Dio because Theseus hung Ariadne out to dry tbh

[tacit ember]

idk what that is referencing

[rustic vale]

Theseus highkey ditched a princess he was courting on an island on his way home from Minos so he could get with her sister

and Dio found her and they got together

at least iirc

[tacit ember]

oh dio marries her?

i didnt know that part just that theseus abandons her

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

if you walk into the arena with a yarn of Ariadne, there's some curious dialog
I believe this is what he used in the legend to navigate the labyrinth

[tacit ember]

like in h2?

[rustic vale]

No if you have the Yarn of Ariadne item from wells at Heroes Fight

Theseus comments on it

[tacit ember]

oh that

i never use yarn, havent had that encounter

[brisk trail]

yarn is actually great, +1 rarity on all boons (so everything is blue at the minimum), don't sleep on it

[tacit ember]

feel like i cant afford it with that one pact

but tbf its pretty much a 50% boost to the next boon

[rustic vale]

+10% epic and duo/legend chance are pretty nice as wellp

[tacit ember]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

i didnt know that

that is huge what

[lavish sorrel]

bro didn't know the main reason to take yarn it's so over

[tacit ember]

The next Boon you find has upgraded Rarity (in reality, only guarantees Rare while increasing chances of Epic by +25% and duo/legendary by +10%)

[tacit ember]

the ingame discription is so bad bruh

how was i supposed to know

doubled legendary and duo chance basically

[lavish sorrel]

legacy is a scam 😌

[rustic vale]

Refreshing Nectar has this same effect btw

from Eury

[lavish sorrel]

and chaos favor boons, except indefinitely

[tacit ember]

first i didnt know that the touch of styx isnt effected by hour glass and now this

[tacit ember]

does gods legacy not stack with yarn

[rustic vale]

chaos is +10% epic, I don’t know where to actually check for yarn

[rustic vale]

it does but like you’re only aiming for 1 duo maybe 2 max ever

you just need to hit your duo the legacy is useless

[tacit ember]

duo maxxing

[rustic vale]

would get way more value from pride then just hit your boons

[tacit ember]

if you get all duos possible out of a pool of 4 you can get 6

10 if you have 5

[rustic vale]

I mean

[tacit ember]

imagine how strong i would be with 10 duos

[rustic vale]

Sure but how many combinations of 4 gods exist with 0 mutual exclusion

pos is a pretty big limiter

dem has some stinkers with her cast duos locking out others as well

just don’t include pos and dem and you should be fine

[tacit ember]

this just makes ff not having wells even worse

[pure crystal]

I wish I could play hades 1

😿

[stiff obsidian]

Can you stop

[sleek imp]

had it before when i was grinding out the duo proph for the ambrosia

[tacit ember]

I wish i could play Hades aswell

[stiff obsidian]

Same 😢

Too much work

[tepid plover]

Begging like that is bannable in most servers, that not a thing here?

[fickle aspen]

how to fix my skill issue

[tepid plover]

Keep playing, record your gameplay and maybe analyze your runs? See where its going wrong

[little lark]

Yooo

The Nemesis Aspect kinda goated

[fickle aspen]

are there items in the well of charon that can only show up at certain regions

[brisk trail]

there's at least one, the one that removes chariot spawns in Elysium

[lavish sorrel]

light of ixion, the trove item (forget its name) and possibly the fishing spot item (forget its name too) cannot appear in styx I'm pretty sure

so by inversion you can say they can only appear in tartarus, asphodel and elysium

[fossil adder]

how many times i need to ||defeat hades to get the true ending||

[drowsy kettle]

10

[toxic trellis]

||Well, you need to beat him 9 times, and at least reach him a 10th time||

[fossil adder]

||i have 4 of 10 wins ||

[fickle aspen]

do the cthonic companion thingies unlock after u finished the main storyline

[brisk trail]

they're not tied to the main story, just keep progressing relationships with everyone at the house

[fickle aspen]

finally got my 8th clear

2 more to go

[fickle aspen]

btw for the prophecy that wants u to use each char’s keepsake, does it only count if u make it all the way to the surface

or can u like clear one region with it then swap out

[jagged hamlet]

Sounds like the begging is coming from a literal child, so maybe we're being lenient

[tacit ember]

I also want Hades

Mc Donalds gift card while you're at it

[fickle aspen]

do you want a lamborghini to go with that

[jagged hamlet]

I want mine hand-delivered by Tai Lopez

[timid raptor]

10

Oh somebody said it

[true vigil]

I'm at one fishing pool in 15 runs to Hades. Is there anything I can do to improve odds other than having the Huge Catch boon?

[jagged hamlet]

Sky Treletal Lure from Well of Charon

[true vigil]

ah, yeah. I buy those every chance I get but have never been offered one in Styx

[brisk trail]

you mean a fishing pool in his arena? those are rare, yes
other fishing pools are pretty common, I average about 4 fish per run

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lock-in-gif-12021618010981182913

but im chosing to dilly dally rn

who is gonna stop me

[true vigil]

With the Huge Catch boon it should be 40% in his arena and I'm at 7%, heh. That's why I wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong.

[fickle aspen]

damn i made it to my 10th clear

you people weren’t lying he really does just ||give up||

😭

holy peak the song playing while the credits roll

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/true-nodding-morgan-freeman-so-true-gif-8688209387768645465

[fickle aspen]

can we get it as a song in the house of hades

[iron bramble]

You can, but no lyrics there sadly.

[heavy heart]

On my tenth time there I barely had any health left made it all the better, I thought I'd lose for sure

[tacit ember]

this does mean you can get some free heat form em4 on the 10th run

[lavish sorrel]

you need to have done credits to unlock EM4

[tacit ember]

ididntrealisethat

[stiff obsidian]

but yea u can use 10th clear for an easier high heat run

thats how i got my friend to do 40 heat for 10th clear

[fickle aspen]

why didn’t i think of that earlier

[stiff obsidian]

cuz its still pretty insane for a 10th clear lol

[tacit ember]

zeus shield gamming

[stiff obsidian]

nah i made him play eris

[tacit ember]

you also get alot of the anti mirror ones for free

you can allocate your resources for the earlier mirrors

[stiff obsidian]

eris is the best easy aspect in the game

[tacit ember]

999358269422321774

[stiff obsidian]

just have build knowledge and u win

[kind roost]

💀

[tacit ember]

wow check bio fr

[stiff obsidian]

fr

[shadow marlin]

just fought charon for the first time. i was so excited about it LOL since i played hades 2 first ive always wondered it would be like AND I CAN DO IT

[low nebula]

Ok how does the "your next boon is from X" keepsake work because I swear to GOD it just does not do what it says

I get that it doesn't work for shop boons and Hermes overwrites it, but I've had a boss chamber just straight give me an entirely different gods boon for it's reward while the keepsake still needed to go

And then didn't see ares for the entire rest of asphodel when that happened at the start

[bold basin]

So how does dodge chance work exactly

If you had 15% from the keepsake and 15 from a boon

Do you just not take damage 30%, of the time

[brisk trail]

dodge chance is additive, so yes 30%

[bold basin]

Seems kinda broken if every attack is like 45% chance not hit

[rustic vale]

You can’t really get to a crazy high dodge chance outside of temporary means

[rustic vale]

You can very easily hit ~50% damage reduction easy well like

Weak debuff x hyper sprint for sturdy is 51%

[bold basin]

Thats fair enough

[rustic vale]

sure not taking half the damage is pretty strong but you can also very easily hit crazy damage numbers so it’s not like it’s game breaking compared to your other options and it’s not exactly viable for high heat since you need damage to get you through the timer and just to kill enemies anyhow

damage is a pretty solid form of damage resistance

[rustic vale]

dodge in particular requires you to invest your 2 hermes boons in it instead of damage so it’s a trade off

When hyper sprint -> rush delivery is on the table

[bold basin]

Well the issue is skill issue

I still have no idea how the boon system works even though im almost done with all the achivment so not taking damage 50% of the time seem pretty op

[shadow marlin]

ngl this is exactly how i feel. i thought it increased spawn chance for that olympian but at one point was using posideons keepsake and didn’t get a single spawn expect for one of the double boon rooms

[rustic vale]

They will keep forcing the first regular boon option at a given set of doors to be that god until you take a boon from them

[low nebula]

Ok so it has to be a standard chamber, not a boss chamber (or I assume a duo chamber)

[rustic vale]

Hermes boons generate completely seperate from regular boons where the game grabs out of a hat either “hammer/ hermes boon/ regular boon” and then decides the god of s regular boon

[rustic vale]

It could also have mapped to a erebus gate if that was in the room (I think?)

[low nebula]

I see, that's basically what I figured for Hermes

[low nebula]

I didn't have Erebus gate unlocked when this run happened fwiw

[rustic vale]

I’ve been running Hades for well over 800 escape attempts and never heard of a god keepsake just like

not doing what it was supposed to aside from something being overlooked

I speedrun and have been here for a while

[low nebula]

I have a screenshot, I can dm it if you're curious

[rustic vale]

I am

[bold basin]

Uh what do the new option do after a get a quest to || invite all the gods||

They cost alot

[rustic vale]

The resource director?

Pretty sure you get that before the epilogue is finished (could be wrong)

And themes are also really expensive but they’re tied to getting all the work orders

Not finishing the epilogue e it her

[bold basin]

I didnt finish the epligue but got the quest to invite everyone

And the house contractor got new item

[rustic vale]

Oh that is the epilogue

[bold basin]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

what is the item? I don’t think it’s actually tied to the quest in any way shape or form

[bold basin]

Its not

[rustic vale]

You probably just met the requirements at the same time

[bold basin]

Ig so

Im just curious on what they do

[rustic vale]

which ones are they then

You’ve given me like nothing to go off of to even tell you what they do

[bold basin]

Well ok one minute I gotta die really quick

[bold basin]

Ok there called theme, infernal,

Theme sonorus

[rustic vale]

If you got a bunch of new ones all at once the main reason I can think is that you bought the deluxe table for the contractor

oh the themes

[rustic vale]

.

themes are different victory screens

[bold basin]

Oh ok

Thanks

The description had to many big words

So I just gave up reading them

[placid python]

Just lost a run to dashing out of the circle after the flash just for it to kill me in a second flash.

Do those both deal damage or just the second one?

[rustic vale]

#h2-discussion that’s a spoiler for this entire channel series

[placid python]

this channel's description says "All spoilers welcome!"...

oh

[rustic vale]

it’s about H1 and you’re asking about H2

You’re going to get better answers in the channel I linked

[warm wren]

There's a very crucial reason I can't do EM4 Hades

and that's because my strategy boils down to "kill him before he can kill me"

and I can't realistically do that on EM4 Hades because I actually have to
y'know

dodge

[latent moon]

with a good enough build you dont have to dodge and can just blow him up lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUX6iQMSwKo

[warm wren]

I didn't even know doing that much damage was possible

how does that even work?

[latent moon]

mirage shot go brrr

[rustic vale]

Looks like beowulf from the thumbnail with a mirage shot (bugged on most flares for 100% base damage instead of 30%) and then a ton of additive from chaos, wells and rush delivery

[latent moon]

oh purple rd with 2 ichors

[warm wren]

I see

that makes more sense

[latent moon]

2 ichors and braid from chaos kinda good

love being able to buy my build

[rustic vale]

I love +188% damage from rush delivery

[vast raven]

+50% from braid 3x from hunters mark crits

[warm wren]

I didn't even say the f word what

LMAO

[vast raven]

additive nonsense is funny

[rustic vale]

Like realistically EM4 Hades has 51k hp right

compared to default 34k

[warm wren]

I'm not re-typing that message the long and short of it is I was grinding Pierced Butterfly and actively narrating my run, thought I needed one more hitless room in Tartarus for a good shot at it, next room was Fury room, said I needed either Meg or Tisiphone to have a chance, got Alecto, thought I was screwed, locked in, hitlessed Alecto, was happy

I'm very okay at this video game

[latent moon]

did i get crits lmao

i wasn't paying attention to the crits

im sure they did happen tho i guess but i dont think they mattered that much realistically

[warm wren]

Any clue why I'm not getting the Nyx's Mirror achievement on steam? I have at least one of each talent.

okay it worked once I left the room nvm

[vast raven]

i saw a few 1k crits

[pure crystal]

I wish I could play hades 1 😿

[latent moon]

my brother in christ you've been asking for days now

i dont think it's happening

[regal flax]

anyone ever notice that all the spear aspects arent even spears? zag and achilles are bidents, hades is a trident, and guan yu is more of a halberd than a spear

[warm wren]

eh it's fine Zag uses them as spears

they work

I guess

[bold basin]

Any tip on heat 32, I have 3 on the where it makes bosses harder and 1 everthing else

Using hera bow

[latent moon]

"1 everything else" seems to imply routine inspection 1, approval process 1, and calisthenics program 1 so might wanna fix that pact up first

there's a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies that you should look through

[bold basin]

its due to the minor list of fate where i need to beat certain pact of punishment

i decided to do all of them at onces instead of one by one

which funny enough get me to heat 32

[rustic vale]

Your build is going to be very rough compared to usual with cf1 for less items from shops, ri1 taking away all the build consistency mirror options and ap1 removing 1 of your options on every boon/pom/hammer

So you’re probably going to want something on the more consistent side

The usual hera build is aphro cast + snow burst from demeter and whatever cast damage and bloodstone sources you can nab

like chaos

[low nebula]

Personally I find the shield pact (the one that requires a few hits before you can damage the enemy) to be very easy for it's heat value. The second rank of the armor perks one is also pretty free in my experience

[bold basin]

uh srry but im not familar with words like cf1

and is it really that limiting since im going 1 level

[rustic vale]

They kind of just all come together to nerf your build a fair amount

[rustic vale]

See normally no but heat tends to snowball in difficulty with levels in more different pacts tbh

You should be fine you’re just going to want to play with less demanding builds

And the regular hera build isn’t that demanding

The only annoying thing here would be dc1 (damage control 1) adding a 1hp shield to every enemy

[bold basin]

yeah i been liking the hera bow the most right now, just does insane damage

with any cast

[bold basin]

ah ok thanks

[bold basin]

alr thanks

[rustic vale]

All the abbreivations are just the two words first letters thrown together and most people who play with heat often enough just shorten itp

Like I could write out Convience Fee and Routine Inspection and Approval Process look how much longer describing a heat pact takes

when you’re breaking it up over an entire pact

[bold basin]

nah i get it, i play pokemon and we shorten earthqauke to eq

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1414386069264138322/D9E44FCC-A0B7-4D87-94A3-EE4682E7D22F.jpg?ex=69e802ac&is=69e6b12c&hm=f157197499d2adc8a061b8dbdc9befc95dac510fc97279a8cd7be5d7339ec150&

This is a pretty realistic pact for 32 heat for reference

[tacit ember]

Me when PowerPoints are pp

[bold basin]

thanks

[rustic vale]

Back in my day(2 years ago) I’d have just suggested hard labour 5 lasting consequences 4 and stubborn defiance but

[bold basin]

not the worst one funny enough

[tacit ember]

Arthritis grasp

[rustic vale]

I imagine pokemon probably managed to hit it’s own Calesthenics Program

Can’t think of any worse abreviations

[tacit ember]

SS for sword and shield

Maybe

[latent moon]

just do them separately it's gonna save you a lot of pain

and frankly would be less runs probably

approval process and routine inspection shaft your build making potential, both of which are not needed at all for 32 heat

[tacit ember]

High roll or no roll

[stiff obsidian]

Need to get this tattooed to my forehead

[pure crystal]

I wish I had hades 1

[tacit ember]

Me when I'm in a crying competition and my opponent is this guy

[fickle aspen]

i wish i had a million dollar

and some mollytea

btw what’s considered high heat

?

like 18+

[tacit ember]

i wish i was a little bit taller

i wish i was a baller

[tacit ember]

32 because its the final statue is concidered the floor

but difficulty wise i think 40

[fickle aspen]

so everything else below is just casual

[tacit ember]

999358269422321774

40 is pretty casual

but casualness isnt difficulty depentent

i play high heat casually

[rustic vale]

Yeah

The highest the average gamer ever hits is 32 for the skelly statue

And even then that is 32 out of a potential 64 like

[stiff obsidian]

💀

[fickle aspen]

how much dmg% is it when u do no dmg with than’s butterfly

2?

[wraith spire]

Hi all, I've been replaying the first game to finish up all the achievements, but The Queens Plan can't seem to trigger, I've defeated Hades probably around 20 times after the Ending, all gods relations are either full or just before the final pip, any advice would be welcome

[fickle aspen]

someone on reddit suggested talking to zeus

[vast raven]

whats 0 + x% of 0?

[fickle aspen]

i phrased it badly my fault

[brisk trail]

you need Demeter at locked heart + any 5 gods maxed, then you need to hear Zeus talk about Demeter, and Demeter talk about Persephone, about 3x each

[rustic vale]

Genuinely no clue because it’s such a bad keepsake I have no reason to know it off the dome

[wraith spire]

God dammit it's the Echo questline all over again xD

[rustic vale]

I think 27-ish sounds correct given the amount of combat rooms you can get if you max out on purely combat rooms

[brisk trail]

tbh, the epilogue ending is just a single slide of Zeus and Hades shaking hands + some narration, it's super not worth it, only go for it if you enjoy playing more runs

[wraith spire]

It's the last steam achievement I need so it needs to get done

[fickle aspen]

is it that bad compared to the keepsakes from gods

[brisk trail]

okay, I looked it up, it's Zeus talking about Persephone 2x, then Demeter talking about Persephone 4x, get these + 5 gods maxed, and it should unlock
just keep taking Zeus and Demeter each run

and then once you do these, you can't just watch the ending immediately, you need to ||give everyone invitations|| first lmao

which is like 3 more runs

[wraith spire]

Well there goes my afternoon I guess lol, thanks for the help!

[brisk trail]

Artemis' reaction is priceless, "what, is that for me? ... bleh, you're giving these to everyone"

[wraith spire]

she's such a tsundere, I love her :3

[rustic vale]

Yeah

You absolutely kneecap your ability to make a build happen to speculatively have ~+27% global additive by the end of a run

Your build (the thing that supplies 95% of your damage)

[tepid plover]

whats that mean

[tacit ember]

male fantacy trope

[tepid plover]

uh?

[tacit ember]

"uh?"

[brisk trail]

this is an anime trope where a girl acts cold despite obviously being into you

[tepid plover]

oh, thanks for the answer

[jagged hamlet]

I gotta hit ya with the ol' "???" one of these days 🤪

[opaque vine]

Just did my first clear. 26 minutes with the fists. Last boss was crazy

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1496215533249364239/image.png?ex=69e912cd&is=69e7c14d&hm=21d99f0dffae47a7210e8cdd178712138d5d5627de092471a7daf4c444eaba97& bruh

[brisk trail]

that's a lot of enemies

[stiff obsidian]

ive been trying serrated achilles after talking about it the other day and man i cant even leave tart

the damage right out the gate is crazy though

[brisk trail]

shortened dash distance is a huge debuff

[stiff obsidian]

yea especially considering im not good at dashing to avoid damage

delta chamber brainrot

[brisk trail]

and that newbie was adamant on playing with this hammer
really surprised me

I only took it once on a whim and it felt so ass, once you get to Asphodel and you start getting bombed from all directions, it's like you're a sitting duck

[stiff obsidian]

its not ass

jsut very unsafe

but the damage is great

[brisk trail]

flurry jab is good damage with 0 downsides though

[stiff obsidian]

its also unsafe

but not as much as serrated

serrated feels so good to use

the sound effect and the crackcrackcrack

[brisk trail]

well tell us if you beat the game with it

which aspect though

achilles?

[stiff obsidian]

yea

i think i did my hades spear clear with serrated

[brisk trail]

I guess it's like Nemesis with double edge, you get the buff then spam dash strikes, then refresh the buff

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1496219057295462540/image.png?ex=69e91615&is=69e7c495&hm=a77166212ffbe9c61950c5348ac7cd211c886450432a558bf80c3d6773ee3c1a&

oops all arty

hopefullly this chamber gives me huntersmark

lhuge dpsboost

[brisk trail]

oh already in Elysium, nice

50 heat + serrated is very spicy!

[stiff obsidian]

yes rare huntersmark

good

[stiff obsidian]

yea challenging myselfalot

[brisk trail]

what duo are you aiming for, or just stacking arty?

[stiff obsidian]

im not good with anything besides rail

no duos

duos in this game are very niche

[brisk trail]

I wouldn't say that but then again I don't have to sell my boons after every boss

[rustic vale]

Eh

[stiff obsidian]

i said niche not rare

[rustic vale]

It’s not 0 downsides

[stiff obsidian]

does triple jab work with serrated?

[rustic vale]

Nope

[stiff obsidian]

is there any good 2nd hammer i could go for

[brisk trail]

no charge attack I know

[stiff obsidian]

idr spear hammers

[tacit ember]

hi kids

[rustic vale]

Flurry jab has the same problem as flurry strike where it immediately takes away your iframes

[stiff obsidian]

no ur dashatk loses iframes iirc

dash*

[brisk trail]

are you sure

[rustic vale]

No

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[rustic vale]

just grab the jab related ones in case you ever standing strike

[rustic vale]

Yes

[brisk trail]

dash attacks basically have no i-frames anyway, does it matter

[tacit ember]

he means empty dashes

[stiff obsidian]

bruh sniped by archers and literally cant even dodge them

straight up cant

[tacit ember]

silk issue

[stiff obsidian]

slugger archers

ok do serrated 50 then

[tacit ember]

no

[stiff obsidian]

silk issue

[tacit ember]

nuhuh

[rustic vale]

The ones that are even applicable to this build are

like

in concept there are maybe 2 or 3 you would even care to grab

[brisk trail]

you can get crystal clarity

it's perfect for achilles

[rustic vale]

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-be-clear-obama-president-gif-1165201565236836607

[stiff obsidian]

yea im done

this is so ass

[rustic vale]

Unironically why I didn’t have a 32 heat victory with spear until 2025

[stiff obsidian]

i was in the backend of elysium with nothing but arty atk and serrated

nothing was dying

[bold basin]

Whats arty

[rustic vale]

Artemis

[bold basin]

Oh ok

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-artemis-hades-gif-25404696

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/artemis-hades-hades-2-artemis-hades-hades-artemis-gif-2078810904157742557

[brisk trail]

well gg anyway

[stiff obsidian]

i would do it but i dont have time these days

[brisk trail]

try arthur next if you want a challenging moveset on a high fear run

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lock-in-gif-12021618010981182913

[stiff obsidian]

this is so real

i try to play everyday but by the time i come home from work and eat dinner its 11pm

[tacit ember]

999358269422321774

[stiff obsidian]

that one gif

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-watermelon-watermelon-cat-cat-crush-crush-gif-10209359194184036203

idk what gif you are refering to

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-breathing-fire-meme-dog-pitbull-ai-gif-2888421613419277742

not this

[tacit ember]

me after eating a breath mint

[stiff obsidian]

ive already done every aspect, this was just to showcase serrated

i will do it this weekend on god

https://tenor.com/view/no-cap-frfr-on-odin-gif-15962492229130097527

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/the-battle-cats-cat-god-pachinko-gif-4730185768452174650

[fickle aspen]

how many runs does it take for hades to accept nectar

[brisk trail]

only after the ending, so 10+ clears

[fickle aspen]

i got the ending but is there like

an exact number of clears i have to do after that

5? 10?

[brisk trail]

impossible to say, he may be in a conversation with someone and you won't be able to gift him

[fickle aspen]

oh it’s rng dependent

fun

btw for the tight deadline condition what happens if u take longer than 9 mins to clear each region

does ur run just

end

[latent moon]

you lose 5 hp per sec

the time also carries on per region, so if you clear tart in 5 mins you'll have 13 mins for aspho and so on

[fickle aspen]

can you catch fish in erebus

[brisk trail]

only in Hades 2 lol

the fish regions in 1 are: abyss (Chaos gates), tartarus, asphodel, elysium, styx and ||Greece||

[fickle aspen]

just need to get lucky with greece then

i had a fishing point spawn there one time but i walked past it

[brisk trail]

those are extremely valuable, they give diamond/ambrosia/titan blood

[little lark]

Ig Bass just happens to have Titan Blood in their bloodstreams

[rustic vale]

nah it’s just so rare to get an actual overworld fish

[little lark]

I wish I could've gotten the fish that was making fun of Hades

I died in that fight

Wait

In lore, do the Shades use gems as currency?

Or do they use Obols?

[tacit ember]

why would shades need money

i think they just hang out

ig there is the contractor and trader

[rustic vale]

we only ever see the working shades in the House of Hades care about the metacurrencies tbh

[little lark]

Which makes me wonder why they're even paid if there isn't an economy

Hopefully this is explained in Hades 3: Underworld Building Sinulator

[tacit ember]

I think for the contractor you would justify it by saying that maybe the materials are needed for the construction itself

But for the trader there isn't such an explination

Its porlly capital fetishism as described my marx

Where capital itself becomes intrinsically desirable and not as a medium of exchange

[brisk trail]

what about the office workers in the administrative chamber?

what do they get?

[tepid plover]

Punched

[tacit ember]

to work

you know what they say

idle hands are devils workshop or whatever

better donate your labor for free

[opaque vine]

Urge to kill ( 16% bonus damage or battle rage ( 150% damage bonus after slaying a foe)

Which one is better ?

[tacit ember]

Both are pretty buns

Depending on the build battle rage can be decent

Urge to kill is pretty much already negligible

[opaque vine]

Thanks for the reply. Bummer

[opaque vine]

I got hypnos to a lock on next heart. Its been like that a very long time. Am I supposed to do something specific to progress ?

[tepid plover]

yes, pretty much every character has a "favor" you can check every single one in the wiki

[brisk trail]

I believe Hypnos' heart unlocks after repeated conversations between him and Thanatos and Dusa

basically he's slacking off too much and they set him straight

[tacit ember]

It's slow cuz he sleeps all the time duh

[brisk trail]

it takes a long while though