h1-discussion

[latent moon]

Or you can just keep playing and figure it out as you go through random dialogue lmao

[plain star]

There's a method?

[latent moon]

Well

Process I guess

Not a method

[plain star]

Okay thanks

[latent moon]

But you have to do things that trigger certain events/dialogues that'll help you get it

[jade urchin]

Thank you for this info . I didnt knew athena was strong aswell

I wonder which weapons an be good for 32 heat

I just got 16 heat

And which things are better to pick for 32 heat

[latent moon]

they all work for 32 heat depending on your pact basically

The biggest thing about 32 heat is having a good pact/mirror more so the weapon

[plain star]

Where is Skelly? He's not in the court with the weapons

And he's not spawning in either

He's back now

[jade urchin]

I tried 32 heat like 5 times I failed. Cloosest I get was hades second phase than died. How do you even restore healthbin high assent . I got lucky in aspodel getting my 3 death chances back

I was using rama

[frozen lion]

I used a pact that didn't nerf health regen

[rustic vale]

Stubborn defiance

If you’re running LC4 you should switch to Stubborn Defiance

[latent moon]

There's a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies that should help

Also realistically speaking, 5 isn't a lot of tries for 32 heat for the first time

So like dw about not getting it yet lmao

[autumn jewel]

I'm 32 heat with dd + lc4 gang

[spring zinc]

Am I blind or are the fountain chambers really rare?

I’ve been up into Elysium a few times and have yet to find one

[latent moon]

they're pretty rare yeah

you also have to buy them from the house contractor

for each region

iirc

[spring zinc]

I did already ye got em for each

[latent moon]

idk what the rates are for them but def not very common

like lowkey i feel like fountains come up less often than story rooms or than but i have no proof of that

[gaunt crater]

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[gaunt crater]

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I beat the world record

[rotund tangle]

I know Haelian has a video where he gets to like 6k so Mister AI Overview is slacking

[gaunt crater]

Silly clanker

[rustic vale]

This is blatantly untrue

I have 2 runs with obol counts higher than 5000 and I know there’s an 8000+

But they’re all stored a bit abstractly in a google sheet for the google ai to have to find and piece together the meaning

[rustic vale]

https://imgur.com/a/5VZYrqQ

Found it

courtesy of Radish

[rustic vale]

Btw

[gaunt crater]

Hi hi

[rustic vale]

You can send victory screenshots to #h1-victory-boasting without needing to do anything fancy you will have image perms there

[gaunt crater]

Oh ok

I thought it had to be a stat screen

[rustic vale]

usually yeah

I figure if you had the ss before the fight you probably had it after

[gaunt crater]

I don't remember whether I won lol

[rustic vale]

Also you’re a little past halfway for the current wr you haven’t beaten it

At least that I have records for (not my records to be clear)

[jade urchin]

Bruh hades level 3 has 3 phases

How do you beat this guy lol

[urban zenith]

Whaaaaat

[gaunt crater]

Which character is that emoji?

[gaunt crater]

Hades 3

[rustic vale]

It’s a different sgg game afaik

[gaunt crater]

Ohhh

@rustic vale I'm just asking outta curiosity. Are you like not interested in Hades 2? If I got a sequel to my favourite game (Celeste), I would be so hyped and dying to play it

[rustic vale]

It’s a combination of disinterest and being busy with university tbh

Electrical engineering > Hades 2

[gaunt crater]

That makes sense ig

[rustic vale]

If I had more time I’d be able to get around to it

[gaunt crater]

Uhhhhh

What is that bouldy bonus lol

[rustic vale]

You get it from gifting bouldy

It has random stats

1-10% for one of a variety of stats

with a small chance to just be useless (2% ambiguity bonus)

[gaunt crater]

I didn't know you could gift bouldy

[rustic vale]

You might not have gotten there yet

with sisyphus

[jade urchin]

Is charging bows fully makes them more dmg or does It worth It?

Im trying rama 32 heat any tips? Lol

[rustic vale]

Yes and yes

[jade urchin]

I got hades 3th phase 3 times but still couldn't beat that

[rustic vale]

You’re trying 32 heat with em4?

[rotund tangle]

Based

[jade urchin]

Yes

I get him less than half using 4 death chances

[jade urchin]

#h1-victory-boasting message

This

But started to think It is imposible to beat lol

[rustic vale]

It’s not impossible given Rama has cleared 64 heat

aka

them all on

[jade urchin]

I send my both builds

Is anything can be improven here?

[rustic vale]

Swapping golden touch

[jade urchin]

I had 2 arrow thing but charges very slowly and has small range

It does good dmg but not sure if worth taking

[vast raven]

outside of builds, its just how you play the fight, itd also help to know keepsake/boon choice

[jade urchin]

I just cant hit xd

[vast raven]

twin is best in slot

[jade urchin]

It is good but soo damn slow

Enemy hits me 20 times lol

[vast raven]

are you doing dash strikes?

[jade urchin]

I think I could have beaten hades but he spawns multiple enemies

[vast raven]

em4 difficult 👍

[jade urchin]

I dont know the terms too muchwhat is that

[vast raven]

extreme measures 4

[jade urchin]

Why isnt that give passive gold every chamber?

[jade urchin]

Yes Im trying to beat furst time

Em4 is kinda hard on 5 min

I mean I did alright untill hades

[vast raven]

getting a midshop boon is much much better than touch

[jade urchin]

But isnt that 1 time 100 gold start ?

[vast raven]

yes

but thats still going to be more impactful over the course of your run over touch

[lavish sorrel]

EM4 is hard full-stop. it's definitely not the timer causing problems.

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t give obols every chamber

It gives them every floor

which is significantly less often

You only change floors 3 times in a run

[vast raven]

thats every region ye?

[jade urchin]

Ohhh

[rustic vale]

same thing yeah

[jade urchin]

Damn I toght I was getting every room lol

I changed

I got deep pockets

[vast raven]

another thing to add is that its based on current, after you probably already spent a bunch of money at the endshop

[jade urchin]

Usually yes

100 gold isnt much I only get healing stuff

Or dead chances

But yes

Anything I can change?

I changed gold lol

My keepsake I start with artemis

Changing to one that gives 50 health to survive

Than at the end changing to lucky tooth

Any else combination would help?

[vast raven]

acorn over tooth if you have it maxed

[rustic vale]

100 obols at the start means you’re way more likely to be able to able to afford a boon at the midshop

Which goes miles for build consistenty purposes

[jade urchin]

I finally did It lol

[jade urchin]

#h1-victory-boasting message

Probably never gonna fo 32 again lol

[jade urchin]

Isnt toth better than accorn tho? Because you tank 100 dmg and return back no matter how strong the hit.

Also minions sometimes does cheap dmg

[vast raven]

or you can tank 5 hits no matter how strong they are

[rustic vale]

Dads minimum damage is 20 with no damage boosts

iirc

[jade urchin]

Is minion hits counted?

[vast raven]

yes

its any hit but it is extremely good

[rustic vale]

with damage multipliers from heat, that can get up to 40 so stopped 5 of dad’s hits = 200 damave saved

[lavish sorrel]

*(almost always, there is 1 exception that barely ever becomes relevant)

[jade urchin]

I can try. I finished 32 so I can try lower heats and chill lol. Im at 80 attemp is story still continues?

[rustic vale]

Have you done the epilogue yet?

[lavish sorrel]

I am at over 3000 hours of playtime and I got a unique line of dialogue 100 hours ago, there's a lot of it to be found

(jokes aside, yeah it's very possible to go for like 200 to 300 hours of playtime without any dialogue repeats)

[indigo badge]

wait what was the line

meg's 1500 kill line?

[lavish sorrel]

idr but it was from eurydice

[jade urchin]

Is epilogue you mean ||bringing persephone?|| or something else?

[jade urchin]

Damn thats quite somectime the lines and everything feels like story is going forever. I didnt give nectar to all olympian gods yet. I will try to go for them next probably

Thank you for the help earlier guys

It took me maybe 15 attempts to beat 32 lol

[rustic vale]

No it’s bringing the family all back together

[jade urchin]

#h1-victory-boasting message

I wanted to ask something of this photo. Is there limited boons you can get from 1 god or you can get as much as you can? In photo there are 4 to right side so I tought 4 is limit. Not sure how boon spawning works lol

[rustic vale]

The game does not limit how many you can get from regular gods nor chaos

only Hermes

[jade urchin]

I mean mother has returned I played 30 more atempts afterwards . If bringing family together is something else probably no

[jade urchin]

How many you can get from hermes?

Is 3?

I didnt see more than 3 lol

[rustic vale]

It is something else

2 + you can get a third in styx shop

[jade urchin]

Oh I see

[rustic vale]

It has a 50:50 between the third hermes and the anvil

[jade urchin]

I usually get extra dash to escape hades spin attack

[jade urchin]

Oh you mean before fighting hades

[rustic vale]

yes

[rustic vale]

This is something else

If you haven’t been gifting the olympians

then you won’t have it for sure

[jade urchin]

No I was trying to use nectars in house first now I have time so I'll work on olympians lo

[rustic vale]

There are 21020 dialogue lines tbf

[jade urchin]

What abaut selling hermes bons if you sell do you still have 2 chances or just 1 ?

[jade urchin]

Some characters like nyx just repeating Itself at the moment. Just saying queen has returned and stuff probably I need to continue story with others first for her to speak

[rustic vale]

Selling doesn’t matter

[jade urchin]

I sometimes see same things in boons just after I sell them lol

So you get 1 chance if youvsell

What abaut hammers?

Are they also 2 per game

[rustic vale]

2 per game yeah

[jade urchin]

If chaos and hammer in samevtime

What is wise to choice?

I usually go for chaos

[rustic vale]

Usually chaos

You can see the hammer later

Unless your weapon is super hammer dependent and you want to know if you have the right hammer really early cuz otherwise you’d reset your run

[jade urchin]

Is seeing 2 hammers at least per game %100?

Or just chance ?

[old bluff]

You will almost always see two hammers, but sometimes the game is mean and won’t show the second one

[jade urchin]

Oh I see ty guys

[agile spade]

Beat hades 1 three times now! I believe im on run 18 or 20 or so. My clear times are 45 min, 45 min, 1 hr, but that seems awfully slow based on what im reading online. Should I be focused on playing more aggressively? any tips?

[grim arrow]

Are attempts where I give up recorded anywhere or does it just reset the save

[vast raven]

it resets the save

[grim arrow]

Don't worry about your pace, I imagine it will increase as you practice. It's probably a sign you're taking time to learn enemy patterns and jumping in when there's an opening, which is good!!
There's certain boons like athena's attack and her dash especially which lend themselves to a riskier playstyle as you can kind of just ruthlessly attack enemies and worry less about damage

As you unlock and upgrade weapon aspects and unlock mirror perks you'll find you're having a much easier time too

[grim arrow]

okay thank you

[frozen lion]

You can go faster if you feel like it. Remember that your dashes have iframes and try to time them during enemy attacks; that alone will allow you way more uptime.
What weapon(s) are you using?

[agile spade]

Okay, thanks. for now I'm still just using whichever weapon has the bonus to purple and base building currencies for that round. Getting a first aspect if i have a titan blood available

[agile spade]

I did just try athena's dash last game, its pretty good! Although I might still prefer poseidon, but it did seem to make me avoid some damage

[rustic vale]

If you want to go faster you should probably be dash-striking way more often

at this point it’s less about builds and more about how cautious you’re playing for sure

[agile spade]

Is dash strike just better than normal strikes?

[rustic vale]

pretty much

[agile spade]

Ah okay, that's good to know

[rustic vale]

They come out way faster so you can spam them and abuse dash boons and dash-strike bonuses thenp

[agile spade]

I'm also trying to avoid chip damage, i tend to take a good bit of it and have to buy healing items in area 3 and 4

Okay, and I've seen some boons for dash strike but haven't prioritized them, ill try that out

I'm picking up the bow this round, is the dash strike better for that weapon as well?

[rustic vale]

incredibly

dash-strike boons only really matter for sword/bow and maybe spear, and then hestia

The rest of them have such low base damage it doesn’t entirely matter

[grim arrow]

Which keepsakes have you been using?

[rustic vale]

Bow might be one of the weapons the benefits the most from dash-strikes since it keeps you mobile and lets you fire off shots quicker

[grim arrow]

There isn't really a weapon where dash-strikes aren't better that I can think of

unless you have hammers which benefit your regular attack and not your dash strike

[agile spade]

Well i had started with the tooth keepsake and then switched to the chaos egg to avoid taking damage. Now i just learned from a guide that picking god boons at the start can help you to start a build, thats less random. So trying zeus and poseidon and stuff

[grim arrow]

Yeah you're doing fine then

[vast raven]

gilga technically standing strike gilga damage is very high

[grim arrow]

Tooth is usually best reserved for near the end of a run I think, gives you more time to use the others to set yourself up

[agile spade]

Yeah i had a sword run where i got hammer 1 (half HP but heal on normal strikes) hammer 2 (hold x to strike constantly) so I wasn't really dash striking on that one

I also just unlocked the acorn, do you think tooth or acorn is better for the final boss?

It's usually a pretty close fight 😅

[rustic vale]

60 base damage strikes

[grim arrow]

It's really up to personal preference there - I generally went for tooth when I was starting out but acorn is probably equally good

[rustic vale]

Acorn at higher heats for sure

[grim arrow]

The hold x to strike constantly one is kind of amazing for dash strikes

if you hold AND dash strike it means you're getting a normal stike in between basically every dash strike

very very good

[rustic vale]

The flurry hammers are a real toss up

really good on bow and speae

pretty bad on sword and not exactly amazing on rail

It makes the rail strike faster than the chain-lightning cooldown iirc

So every other shot starts not having lightning

would need to double check this

[agile spade]

I had no idea hold x to strike worked with dash strikes, i thought i had to sit there and swing away 😄 Okay I'll try this next time I get it

[grim arrow]

I'm having a really really hard time with aspect of nemesis and i do not know why

REALLY do not love any of the sword aspects

[agile spade]

I would offer help but I just completed it on heat 0 with nemesis, so probably a lot lower than you are at

[rustic vale]

I find sword to be pretty annoying since it’s overly directional while not having that much range like spear tbh

as someone who’s played with every weapon quite a lot

[grim arrow]

I just take so much damage in standard encounters when I'm using it

I can't handle groups of enemies

Not sure what I'm doing wrong though, tried LOTS of different builds and similar outcome with each

[indigo badge]

unfortunately removes your dash iframes so don't go too crazy with it

[rustic vale]

Flurry slash has this nasty habit of making your next dash be a dash-strike even if you don’t mean for it to be

So you have like 0 iframes

[agile spade]

I really liked ares on sword's special personally, great for clearing trash

[vast raven]

(unless delta chamber rail)

[agile spade]

Woah so dash strikes dont have i frames but normal dodge does?

[vast raven]

shoutouts delta chamber rail dash strikes keeping iframes

[mint coral]

Any move during a dash will cancel iframes

Special/cast too

Call would but those grant iframes on activation

And yeah delta chamber hammer for rail grants iframes to dash strikes

[rustic vale]

Are you specialing pretty often?

[grim arrow]

When it's safe yeah

I tend to special more at the start of encounters or while enemies are spawning actually, but I do a fair bit during fights as well

[rustic vale]

You can typically end off your 2 dash-strikes with a special for some immediate damage and crowd control during the dash-cooldown

that’s what’s normally done for dps rotations

[dusk pebble]

man i have been loving this game, started a couple days ago and alr cleared 3 times now, haven't dipped my toes into the heat stuff, am first trying to get comp on all diffe weapons

[latent moon]

to add on top of what everyone else already said regarding clear time, i wouldn't worry about the time until you can clear consistent enough that you dont get that often during runs (other than bosses tbh)

a lot of what makes clear times low is just knowing enemy patterns faster and taking those opportunities fast

on top of having a good build tbh but you lowkey can have a mediocre build and still get a decent time even without grinding specifically for faster clears

it's not really a competition with anyone other than yourself so dont compare with the times you see online lmao

bc there's some insane times that are nearly impossible to beat unless you grind for hundreds of hours lmfao

[agile spade]

same here dude! 18 hrs in, 3 wins so far!

[latent moon]

okay yeah you're 3 wins in, dw about time at all lmfao

[agile spade]

Haha okay, yeah I think I need to remind myself that comparison is the thief of joy haha

[latent moon]

just learn the game and then consider lowering the time lol

there is a pact that restricts time per region (that carries over) which is generally considered easy but like just dont take it atm lmao

there's plenty of pacts for 1-6 heat that you can take that dont change the run too much and let you take your time

[dusk pebble]

looked at it ye, not planning to take that one for now, been taking ~40-50 min per run and love to take my time

[dusk pebble]

noice, the spear has been my worst weapon for now by far, but am cooking in a run rn

[agile spade]

Yeah I didn't like spear at first, but i unlocked the first level of the aspect of achilles for it (After your Special, you can retrieve your Spear with Raging Rush) and i really enjoyed the run! I struggled before by trying to hold x and getting stunned, but the raging rush special makes you zoom around a bunch and seems to have i frames

[dusk pebble]

intresting will def consider that aspect for a future run

[latent moon]

i can't remember if the rush has iframes or not but i dont think i ever had a clue lmao

but hey free damage boost

[grim arrow]

OKAY thank you so much I'll give it a practice

The main recommended build on the site I'm on is this:
Start with any of Artemis, Aphrodite, or Athena on attack. Artemis is more crits; Aphrodite is big damage; Athena is big safety and you can dash-strike into baddies with more reckless abandon. Slot the other “A” goddesses where you can to unlock duos; Heart Rend and Deadly Reversal are very strong on a crit-happy aspect. Artemis or Poseidon on dash are ideal for damage but Aphrodite is also good. Look for more Artemis crit-enhancing boons and Chaos or jerkies for attack or dash-strike boosts. See the Aspect of Nemesis blade with Deadly Strike in action.

Obviously I trust the guy who made this a lot more than I trust myself but I REALLY don't see where the synergy lies between Artemis, Aphrodite and Athena?? I've tried so many different boon combinations with this build and not a single one has worked out

I've started going for Dionysus on attack instead which has been working better but

am i missing something

[mint coral]

Aphro and athena just have good duos with arty

+150% crit dmg or +20% crit chance when you deflect

They also have good safety nets through deflect/weak

You can do aphro attack + arty special instead too for more raw %

Or zeus call for aphro - zeus duo

[grim arrow]

Ooooo so I should probably use gods' legacy?

[mint coral]

Not fully needed

[grim arrow]

I do not have it maxed yet but

okay okay cool

well thats very good to know

[mint coral]

If you use your resources well duos aren't hard to get

And pride gets you better hermes

[grim arrow]

maybe ill struggle through the first part of the run and by the end I'll be fine

[grim arrow]

YES veru true

[mint coral]

(stuff like yarn of ariadne and refreshing nectar give +10% to duos)

And each god's keepsake boost their rarity by that ame amount

Chaos's favor boon is also +10%

[mint coral]

Get used to the sword combo of special > dash strike x2 > repeat

Or cast into dash strike

Double edge makes a big power spike

[grim arrow]

Trying this out right now and already it's made a huge difference

thank you for your help!!

[mint coral]

Have fun

[jade urchin]

Is normal atacks with zeus boon also makes enemies jolted if have the perk?

Or to jolte someone zeus call neded?

[rustic vale]

Any lightning effect from zeus works

so like

all of his boons

including his secondary boons

[spring zinc]

How many runs did ya'll take to clear the game the first time?

[vast raven]

28 iirc

[old bluff]

22 for me

20-80 is pretty standard for most people

[mint coral]

45

[spring zinc]

20-80 is an insane spread lol

I'm still failing on the boss of elysium but I'm only in like 10 runs, no idea if I'm close xD

[high onyx]

i took 25

[frozen lion]

I think 40 for me? But I've never had a clear over 30 minutes

[fast wave]

Same

I think im like 15 or 18 i gotta check

[spring zinc]

I finally got em just now with the bow!

[fast wave]

Ive been using the shield

Also nice pfp

[spring zinc]

Thanks choom

[spring zinc]

Shield has been my least favorite so far personally

I'm still amazed how much the hammer upgrades completely change gameplay tho

[fast wave]

I like blocking

I could try another weapon soon

[spring zinc]

I've been rotating through the weapons for the darkness boost

Great incentive for my loot goblin brain lol

[unkempt moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665929087671599109/1476103855459799071/image.png?ex=699fe857&is=699e96d7&hm=aeb720ed14f11696f7e673d0be68df9afb12b7d831d699d277888992cff39e44& I feel like my clear times are justified with these luck (don't have enough darkness for the locked mirror upgrades yet)
does it ping when I edit my messages?
and now the image is gone..

[unkempt moat]

22 first hades fight, 39 first clear (hell mode)

I have a lot of perished in x, what does that mean? did I deliberately die to traps?

[brisk trail]

reinstalled the first game for funsies and started a new file

and what am I doing wrong because my attacks deal no damage

Meg takes a while to beat but by the time I get to Hydra I only deal ridiculously tiny damage and it takes forever and I eventually die

2 was nowhere near this bad on a fresh file

used spear with triple stab + athena's divine strike lvl 3, Hydra felt insanely tanky

maybe even lv 4, common rarity though

is the game bugged or am I just meant to keep farming because unupgraded Zag sucks so hard

[indigo badge]

keep upgrading zag but there's no need to farm

[brisk trail]

I've played the game before, figured I'd quickly get to the heroes at least, it's not even a hard game, but you deal no damage at all

it's ridiculous to be honest

[indigo badge]

are you spamming dash attack hard enough

also boons and builds are quite different between both games

[latent moon]

i mean tbf that build doesn't have a lot of dps lmao

although hades 1 damage numbers are lower than in h2

h2 enemies do have more hp but the damage output is a lot higher i think

[brisk trail]

yeah, 1 just kinda feels bad to play due to the low damage

[latent moon]

like you can make a lot of stuff have passable dps in h2 but if you compare that to h1, you lowkey need to run meta builds to match damage

there's less variety in h1 for cobbling together a build with decent damage

the builds that are good in the game tho do match h2 damage tho

idk about meta h2 builds tho other than like 2

but you can get fat damage in h1 fs

but also like you are on a new file

until you get aspects, your builds are gonna be pretty limited

[brisk trail]

honestly, I'm probably gonna give up, I don't feel like doing a bunch of pointless runs to farm the mirror keys

but yeah, this was a curious trip down memory lane, didn't realize how much they improved on in 2

[brisk trail]

gave it another go, got to the heroes on run 3, hard carried by shield w/ thunder flourish

but it was a very long fight and even with a DD I eventually still choked

[brisk trail]

how do you fight the heroes anyway? I don't remember anymore, the guy throws spears from off screen and blocks everything, the bull just walks around menacingly

and his spear hitboxes are super jank, hit me through pillars a bunch of times

[rotund tangle]

Spear throw is telegraphed by a pink target on you

[jovial flicker]

Im pretty sure that's intended but idrk

If you see a pink target then just keep dashing

And you wanna focus the bull first

[brisk trail]

IIRC the bull eventually starts charging around the arena?

[hollow blaze]

Asterius charges around a lot

just focus on the bull first and then deal with the guy

[brisk trail]

ok, what are the best shield boons?

[mint coral]

#h1-for-new-players message - heroes tips

[mint coral]

Is a thing of perspective basically

[brisk trail]

did another run, with the spear, Artemis strike level 3 or 4, forget, absolutely horrible damage

am I missing something?

you need to hit elysium enemies 10+ times, this is just dumb

[mint coral]

Don't bother pomming her attack

You need other sources of %

Like chaos

Was this with base spear or aspects

[brisk trail]

I'm 4 runs in, no chaos, 350 ish darkness

[mint coral]

Ah

[mint coral]

Charged shot hammer, any good % attaci

[brisk trail]

do I need to grind more darkness, this is not fun

[mint coral]

You are, very early basically

Missing keepsakes, mirror will hurt a lot

[brisk trail]

very low damage on all weapons, only the thunder flourish shield felt ok, plus the dionysus cast but that can't be your main attack

2 wasn't anywhere as bad damage wise, it just feels like the game is bugged

in 2 you pick whatever weapon, whatever boon, just keep pomming that boon and you're good

[unkempt moat]

imo, it takes a very long time to get to the point you want to be in

[brisk trail]

it takes a lot of mirror upgrades to stand your ground in Elysium?

is that what you're saying?

[unkempt moat]

1 sec

[mint coral]

If you know your builds you def can stand your ground

I've done run 3 escape/first win

[brisk trail]

the builds are all luck, I had some synergy on Aphrodite's weak curse, plus Zeus lightning stuff, but it's all pretty marginal

[unkempt moat]

#h1-victory-boasting message
16 clears and I still can't force 1 single special from a god I want
I don't have enough darknes for the last 6 mirrors

[mint coral]

If you have bow and like, aphro/arty keepsakes that's already a good start

Just slap the attack on and go for the good hammers (which you have like 5/6 to choose from)

[brisk trail]

my old save file from 6 years ago was 9 runs/1100 darkness, I got to Hades phase 2 then dropped game, I deleted that file today lol, figured I'd start fresh

did they rebalance the game or something

because the damage output is so horrible

[mint coral]

Nah

Or I mean there's been some changes but nothing drastic

[brisk trail]

it just feels so unfun after 2

it's like playing Dark Souls with unupgraded weapons, just smacking the same enemy 10+ times, while dodging 20 times

[rotund tangle]

Obviously it's gonna be harder compared to a progressed H2 save file lol

[brisk trail]

like I said, 2 wasn't this bad early on, I would die due to not knowing patterns, not because my damage is crap and I get ovewhelmed

[mint coral]

honestly I remember hitting more like a wet stick a lot more in h2 at the start lol

but also that might be early access memories

[brisk trail]

the Hydra fight is a great example, if you don't burst at least one of the heads, there's almost no space to dodge, so I end up losing a fair chunk of hp there

[mint coral]

I don't remember struggling that much with dmg on h1 early on tho

[rotund tangle]

I agree Melinoe is stronger than Zagreus overall because she has a lot more tools but that also means it's kinda simpler to make a damaging build in H1

And Zagreus has the shield so...

[brisk trail]

the shield is eh, you can't block without bull rushing, which might be risky in Asphodel with all the lava

[mint coral]

? bullrush is op too cuz is basically another dash

and there's a window where you can dash to land without getting hit by the lava

[brisk trail]

you can bull rush into lava then dash back to safety without getting hit?

[mint coral]

yeah

[brisk trail]

thought you always took at least 1 hp damage

[mint coral]

hell you can even walk into lava a bit and dash back without dmg

if you have athena's sure footing the window is a bit bigger

[latent moon]

Ngl you're expecting a lot from the game while not having reached double digits in runs lmao

[junior elk]

You just need to know where you're going before you get any consequences from it, I've felt it many times in my skin

Pull is a dangerous thing

[brisk trail]

the progression being so grindy is definitely not a positive, Hades 1 has very little variety, it's a pretty poor roguelite, you just play the same 4 stages in the same order over and over, so expecting me to do dozens of runs just to level up is a big ask

it's certainly not Dead Cells or The Binding of Isaac, every run in Hades is basically the same

[frozen lion]

There's like 10 billion different ways to build your boons, what are you on about

[brisk trail]

yeah and your weapon moveset will still be the same

[frozen lion]

There's 6 weapons, each with multiple aspects.

From there, each of them has certain hammers that will drastically change the play style

You cannot tell me that bow plays the same as sword

[brisk trail]

even so, you're still going through the same 4 stages over and over, the room pool is so small you'll see them all in just a few runs

[frozen lion]

By "stages," are you referring to singular rooms, or levels of the Underworld? Because within each level, there's significant variance in enemy/room layout

[latent moon]

Ngl h2 is more grindy than h1 imo having played both lmao

[brisk trail]

dude, no offense, but please please play other roguelikes like Dead Cells especiallly, it has tons of biomes and you can take a different route each time

[latent moon]

I have

Technically speaking h2 only has 2 different routes so it's not like that much of a difference either bc they're set routes and not branching

The variety in h1 comes from builds and boons, which like you barely experienced having less than 10 runs played

[brisk trail]

yeah H2 has the same issues, but the game is just much more fleshed out, so it's not as annoying, whereas H1 is incredibly barebones outside of the story/dialog, the gameplay is just the same handful of rooms over and over

[latent moon]

H2 is more fleshed out bc it had h1 as a reference point lmfao

Like idk what you expected

[frozen lion]

If you deliberately choose to ignore the amazing selection of boons, synergies, mirror options, and ||pact conditions||, then yeah, Hades sucks

[latent moon]

Also.like

Is your issue just with rooms

[brisk trail]

my issue is the game doesn't have enough content to justify the grindy metaprogression

[frozen lion]

Because you're ignoring the primary source of content

[latent moon]

The content comes from the story, which requires multiple runs

In which losing a run still progresses it

[brisk trail]

like someone above said "oh you're still below double digit runs", like am I expected to play the same 4 areas dozens of times just to level up properly?

[latent moon]

I mean

Yes?

Bc that's part of the game?

You're being extremely critical of the game for not having enough content when you haven't experienced a lot of it

[brisk trail]

when I load Dead Cells I just play the game, every run is viable, I don't need to grind stats, and every run I can take a different route and see different biomes with their own unique enemies and bosses

[latent moon]

Yeah and dead cells has its merits

[brisk trail]

whatever, no point in arguing with die-hards

[latent moon]

Hades is more built for meta game progression because of the story

[frozen lion]

Every Hades run is viable too

[latent moon]

It encourages doing multiple runs to experience said content

Like functionally at a base point h2 and h1 are very similar gameplay wise idk why you have such a large issue with h1 lmfao

Iirc you said you liked h2

H1 has 4 different areas, h2 has 2 separate routes with 4 areas each it's not that different?

In which case h2 has a lot of grinding as well so like

I'm just confused lmfao

[vast raven]

From a very brief scan of reading this convo, hades probably just won’t be your cup of tea if you’re wanting variety by having multitudes of enemies and so many route descriptions then hades is simplistic in that fact. Having played both hades and dead cells too for both reasonable amounts of time I can see where you can come from disliking how much your “route” differs from run to run that isn’t the goal of hades to have so many routes to reach the surface as there is still only one goal or endpoint and if zag already has a planned route for how he’s going to reach the surface why change it

[rotund tangle]

That guy was in h2 discussion complaining about how tedious it was to 100% the game too lol like if you don't love it don't grind out the achievements and go do something else

[brisk trail]

that's not me, I'm happy with rolling the credits, and I will likely never bother with 100% due to the nectar stuff

but anyway yeah I overall enjoyed 2, thought I could give 1 another shot, but I still just don't like it

[plain star]

Do you guys think I could go to Hades 2 now? I beat the main story for the first one but I still have 20 other little achievements first so should i 100% the first one or just go to the second one?

[lavish sorrel]

1: define "main story". Hades the videogame has a LOT of dialogue, how much you want to experience is up to you. do whatever you'd like.
2: there is, from a plot-view, little to no hard-requirement to play the first one before the second, aside from a few jokes and references the 2nd game makes

(for more detailed questions about the 2nd game, please move to a hades 2 channel of course, for example #h2-for-new-players since the others will contain significant spoilers)

[plain star]

I looked at the little preview or trailer and the protagonist is the princess of the underworld so i think Hades has another child with Persephone but I could be wrong.

Spoiler I got Persephone back to the underworld, and I got the achievement for completing the main quest line.

[lavish sorrel]

👍 you're probably mostly good to go into the 2nd game then

[plain star]

It's going to be a little bit before I have enough money to get the second one so Imma focus, on the first one for now.

[plain star]

This game is like Stardew Valley, more violent and grindy. Please tell me Hades 2 isn't as bad

[plain star]

How it feels getting a bond with every character

https://klipy.com/gifs/mining-minecraft-said65446666-3

[vast raven]

||hades 2 is more grindy given how much more general content there is, unfortunately||

[plain star]

Well darn

How am I supposed to get a bond on every charcter it's gonna take so long and Nyx is locked. I can't progress until I "deepen my relationship with Nyx "What do I have to do for it and it's,the same for Cerberus

[jovial flicker]

i think for nyx you have to talk to chaos until you get to his locked heart as well

[tiny ether]

Imo the grindy parts are kinda fun

[jovial flicker]

if you enjoy doing runs then yeah it should be

[plain star]

Friggin Skelly is such a rage baiter

I don't know what to belive

[tiny ether]

Don’t think about getting bonds as a grind and think of it as exploring the lore

[jovial flicker]

and for cerberus i think you have to pat him more? im not sure tho

[vast raven]

never really cared for that part, i just got maxed saves so i could do speedruns and such

[tiny ether]

You didn’t beat the actual game?

[jovial flicker]

wdym the 'actual game' lol

[tiny ether]

Uhhh I’m bad at explaining

Nvm lol

[vast raven]

||casually during like patch 1 and 2 i think, but no ive never done the story if thats what you mean||

[plain star]

How is maxing every keepsake apart of the story?

[jovial flicker]

its not necessarily the act of maxing the keepsake itself, but forging the bond for the stickers (if u consider that maxing) gives u lore

[rustic vale]

I hear 2 is better for resource gain

Cannot verify ts myself

[jovial flicker]

'ts' 💔

oops

[wary sphinx]

how do I get each of the secret stashes?
i cant find a straight/good answer online

[jovial flicker]

secret stashes?

[rustic vale]

What do you mean by this

[wary sphinx]

the chthonic companions

[rustic vale]

Oh

You need to get the max relationship and forge bonds with their respective npc

like freeing sisyphus of his punishment

[wary sphinx]

I know that
what im looking is rather what task needs to be done in order to max the bond, and how

[rustic vale]

look at each of their wiki pages and scroll down to the “affinity” section

It’ll have that npcs favour

which is what you need to complete

it’s usually a lot of dialogue that you’ll just need to chance into encountering

the 6 npcs are sisyphus, skelly, meg, dusa, than and achilles

so those guys are the ones you should check for cthnonic companions

but if you’re stuck on any npc, that’s the method

[mint coral]

Lots of them the short version is just keep talking sadly

[winter scarab]

It’s easier to get resources overall theres just a boatload more types of resources

[magic iris]

How do yall give stuff to sisyphus' Boulder, saw it once on a video and can't do replicate it myself currently, is it a relationship meter thing? (Does sisyphus need more hearts?)

[mint coral]

Iirc is that + a certain dialogue

Where he tells you to try talking to him

[shell swan]

With how unlucky I've been, I'm starting to think the last aspect for the shield is just a myth, Chaos is talking about ANYTHING else lmao

[rustic vale]

Can’t be a myth if it has all the speed records can it

[shell swan]

Faked videos /j

[rustic vale]

Has he at least acknowledged you using the shield yet?

Have they*

[shell swan]

Probably? I haven't played in a while and am just getting back into after watching a friend, but the shield has my most escapes by a longshot (ironically with aspect of Chaos lmao)

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

rng dialogue is pretty agregious sometimes

I’m glad I got everything before I got back into the game and started playing a ton

[shell swan]

Yeah my luck in general is pretty bad, done like 10 runs in the last two days and Thanatos has only shown up once, then he had a conversation with Hypnos instead of letting me give him an Ambrosia

[rustic vale]

I say that like the “got back into playing” part didn’t happen in 2022

The thing about luck is it all evens out over enough time played tbh

You spin the lever enough and you typically end up hitting the expected amount over that stretch even if you had some low points

I suppose

since it is Chaos

[shell swan]

I mean I got lucky enough to get the Assault boon from Chaos and finally finish that prophecy after enough runs to max the egg, so I'll take the little victories

[rustic vale]

There might be a way to repeatedly use the same early chaos to try to get the dialogue

Using the same ideas as bruteforcing a seed after a decent start

you could feasibly keep changing the seed value during the run on a chamber 2 chaos to get different dialogue

[shell swan]

I mean I've just been using the egg, and swapping to the collar once I beat the Furies, the only two keepsakes I have higher than first rank

[rustic vale]

Since “giving up” a run keeps the same seed, you could re-enter the same chamber 1 with a chaos gate and them change the seed value a different amount by casting/breaking one more pot/ summoning one more time than the last and now have a different seed value for when you grab the chaos boon for dialogue

just a thought

[rustic vale]

The egg doesn’t really help in any way aside from removing that hp penalty from chaos gates

I’d start experimenting with build-making by using the regular god keepsakes to force together gods for a build in tartarus and asphodel

[shell swan]

Probably not a bad idea, guaranteed Ares build is probably good

Plus I still need a lot of duo boons

[spring zinc]

Man Theseus and the Minotaur feel like such an insane difficulty jump

[shell swan]

Any first game boss would after the Bone Hydra

My strategy is hard target Asterius since he'll be in your face, and Theseus is just a pain once you get his second phase, and if I have an Aid in my kit (ideally Artemis but any will do really) I just demolish Theseus with it once he's half health

[spring zinc]

Yea I’ve been doing the same focusing down Asterius first, I’ve cleared them once but I still struggle to get past it with each weapon, build has to be really good to succeed

[torn wharf]

The first few times you beat them requires patience. You'll want to kite Asterius while standing behind pillars to avoid the spear. In later runs you'll probably dance around both of them and kill them at about the same time with some absurd build.

[spring zinc]

Just unlocked the railgun lol was not expecting this

[rustic vale]

7 second Heroes fight moment

[shell swan]

Yeah the adamant rail takes a while to get used to, but it's fun (not as fun as the other weapons, but fun)

[rustic vale]

“Not as fun as other weapons” surely

[shell swan]

I just call it how I see it

[rustic vale]

Very subjective thing tbh

It’s moved up to my favourite

fights with bow for my favourite melee weapon

[shell swan]

The bow is fun, I have been running the last aspect for the gauntlets and that's been pretty amazing

[rustic vale]

I’ve spent my fair share with all the aspects trying to sub10 and 32 heat clear with all of them and bow was my favourite beforehand and rail has really grown on me since

[rustic vale]

Gilgamesh tends to be a pretty divisive aspect ngl

people either love it or hate it

I was a big fan when I started

Being able to hold down the dash button is a hell of a drug

Especially with a solid damaging dash like tidal dash

[shell swan]

I've been using Dionysus dash and it has been fun to spam yeah

Ares/Dionysus is really fun when you can just run around like a complete lunatic and evaporate waves of enemies

It probably helps I use god mode lmao

[rustic vale]

That would reduce the downsides of gilgamesh by a ton

makes it easier to enjoy

[spring zinc]

I’m disliking it… but its my farthest run yet lmao

Got the giga bomb hammer upgrade which is pretty dam good

[spring zinc]

I can’t wait to unlock aspects

[shell swan]

Roguelikes are more of a knowledge check (at least to me) than a specific weapon, if you're making it far with the adamant rail, you can almost definitely make it as far with a weapon you like and want to put time into learning

[covert crest]

I have In the blood stuck in my head, but I'm at work and am required to wear CSA rated hearing protection. Good thing bone conducts sound so well!

[spring zinc]

Hm just got aspects these are big investments

Any upgrades that are better than they seem? The bow and fists aspect that change special don’t sound particularly good… but looks can be deceiving

My gut response is shield and sword are both pretty good

[latent moon]

you are correct with the bow and fist aspects that change the special being bad lmao

which is honestly a first i've seen from a newer player

what weapon do you typically like to play bc i'd recommend an aspect from that initially

bc all weapons have at least 1 good aspect so it'd be a good base point

[spring zinc]

Ah made my first mistake getting two aspects for the shield… didn’t realize only one could be active lmao

Bow/shield/fists have been my three favs

Not a fan of the spear or railgun and the sword is aight

[latent moon]

hera for bow is pretty good, the levels don't matter too much as long as you use aphrodite cast on it and use infernal soul in the mirror

it'll suck be painful against bosses tho but you can kinda just play normal bow while waiting for your casts

shield's best aspect is gonna be zeus shield, take zeus special and find static discharge and basically juggle the special with dash strikes/bull rushes
it's a bit complicated but you can lowkey just make up some combo and it'll prob be fine

fists best aspect is demeter and you don't really have to do anything different with how you normally play fists, just use the charged upper whenever it's ready

[rustic vale]

What about it do you dislike?

[rustic vale]

All the rail special hammers are pretty major damage boosts

[rustic vale]

Eris for rail doesn’t always instantly click for people in their heads on what it does but that +15% damage per level is global

and so it affects pretty much everything aside from like 3 damage sources that aren’t even really from zagreus

Like traps

[modest island]

how many hrs to 100%

[lavish sorrel]

define 100%

if you mean all achievements, it's a few hundred

if you mean all cosmetics too, more like 750 to like 1000

[rustic vale]

I think I had like 550 for unseen one idk about that

Unseen One does add like at least 400 hours to the rest of your 100% though I think

[lavish sorrel]

probably ff player bias on my part, my b gang

[wanton zealot]

Nintendo Switch 2 patch please

[wind birch]

jesus christ unseen one is gonna take forever

[rustic vale]

It does

do something elee while you’re doing it

literally every other thing towards the 100%

[wind birch]

plan is to get good with uhhh

beowulf

sub 10 run hopefully

.-.

[rustic vale]

pick up a little speedrunning at the leaat

You can definitely sub10 far before you 100%

[wind birch]

i also really wanna go rama runs

i also have this goal of doing 16 heat with every aspect .-.

[rustic vale]

i think I sub10’ed with my first aspect at least a hundred hours before I hit unseen one and it took so long since I was being really stupid with how I wanted to go about my 40 heat

[rustic vale]

You will also get this done prior to unseen one

[wind birch]

i needa learn rail for that, i suck on an unfathomable level with rail .-.

[rustic vale]

I mean it’s mainly just throw zeus on strike find jolted and actually dash around to avoid attacks

[wind birch]

should i just be going for uhh chaos eclipses and dark thirst?

if im grinding for unseen one

or go for a more like, do whatever im doing and just get darkness thing

[rustic vale]

Go for eclipses

Dark thirst I don’t really think so as much? Just go with what you want to work on

I made a checklist for sub10’ing and hitting 32 heat with all my aspects and crossed them off as I hit them to give me an idea of which weapons I still had to use

[wind birch]

32 with anything except shield sounds like hell im not gonna lie

i barely pulled it off even with beowulf and im like 150 200 hours in 😭

[rustic vale]

I mean

My first 32 and 40 were with zag bow

also my only 40

Also

Going to 32 heat from speedrunning all aspects felt like so much lighter work

I think I started my missoon with like 6 aspects having 32 heat completions and knocked out like 9 within 3 or 4 days

[wind birch]

CMON

[wind birch]

thats actually insane

[rustic vale]

Doing either (speed or heat) makes you better for the other to some extent

heat -> speed makes you feel like an absolute unit and tank

[wind birch]

zag bow seems really nice with artemis/aphro on attack

[rustic vale]

speed -> heat I don’t really know how to explain it

[rustic vale]

Yep

[wind birch]

i mean i think its just being used to going quicker makes the harder enemies seem easier to deal with(?)

[rustic vale]

I’m pretty biased towards aphro strike since it means your average shot is going to 1-2 shot more enemies

especially since ideally your first hammer is going to twin or triple compared to perfect or point-blank which provide a ton of additive for artemis to make use of

[wind birch]

aphro+rama+twin shot seems like the easiest way to do literally anything

[rustic vale]

ok so while true

funnily enough I think rama usually starts with zeus flourish for heat

[wind birch]

oh that actually makes sense

yeah gets more damage out quicker, plus sets you up for smoldering air

im hoping thats the point

[rustic vale]

It helps deal with everything small and fast

while you make use of fiery presence to have massive damage on your first hit anyways

[wind birch]

lmao i had one run, got hit with uhhh 4 numbskulls that kept giving each other the damage control hearts, i was using arthur and i died room 3 because they were invincible

still laugh about that

[rustic vale]

This is what damaging dashes are for

Tidal dash my beloved

[wind birch]

my first 16 heat was tidal dash +gilgamesh

i swear that is such a fun build

then i unlocked beowulf and got 32 heat before 16 heat :D

charged shot is so much fun once you get to learn it

[rustic vale]

So

I haven’t learned cshot

I have my beo 32 and my beo sub9

Without having really learned cshot

[wind birch]

.-. i dont think i have completely
its just so nice to play with

by fast runs dont use cshot because i end up getting in my own head

i had a uhhh

12 minute

hades entry

[rustic vale]

Cshot is like objectively the fastest beo hammer

[wind birch]

but i had em4 on and because i wanted to go quick i died with 4 defiances

[gaunt crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463112574915706910/1476567312671969311/image.png?ex=69a197f8&is=69a04678&hm=751931c2d2753a2589ad4444f770cf3eb82c4322f0e8a080a4de3b3993af03d1&
Ummm, which keepsakes am I missing? I know I'm missing Charon, Athea and Patroclus, but I KNOW I gave them nectar

[wind birch]

oh yeah for sure

[rustic vale]

BONE HOURGLASS

from charon

🥀

[wind birch]

mom and dad

[gaunt crater]

But I gave him nectar 😭

[wind birch]

did you give up later in the run?

[rustic vale]

They give it to you at the same time everybody but Hades does

first gift

[rustic vale]

Pull up your codex rn you will see 0 hearts for those npcs

[gaunt crater]

I don't know...

[wind birch]

try again! or check codex

ye

[rustic vale]

giving-up puts you back before you started the run

[gaunt crater]

It appears I havn't gotten a Charon heart

[wind birch]

you lose blood/darkness/literally everything

[gaunt crater]

I see...

[rustic vale]

But I used charged flight (the special hammer) for my sub9 instead

[wind birch]

i dont think youd quit out after pat though pat is kinda the run saver

[gaunt crater]

Ok, so Charon, Patroclus, Athena, and Hades and Persephone

[wind birch]

percentage god+special and just clearing every room in seconds?

[gaunt crater]

Yeah, I'm not sure why I'd do that

[wind birch]

check next time i guess

[gaunt crater]

Also... is the spear spin attack good at all? I feel like it's such a slow and pointless move

[rustic vale]

Not really

Not when flurry jab or explosive launcher -> charged skewer is right there

[vast raven]

spear spin only really good on gyan yu given the gimmick

[zealous vessel]

Thoughts on aspect of Poseidon?

Also are any of the like “currently beyond your reckoning” aspects any good?

[vast raven]

ye

poseidon is kinda middle of the road but has some cool combos

[indigo badge]

exit wounds merchant

otherwise kinda meh

[zealous vessel]

Btw aspect tier list?

[indigo badge]

uhhh there's this i guess #h1-for-new-players message

[zealous vessel]

Nice one

[spring zinc]

So just standing in your special explosion boosts all damage by 75% for 4 seconds at max level?

Does sound pretty cracked

[indigo badge]

because it is

[spring zinc]

Are the 4th aspects categorically better than the rest once you unlock them?

Or on some weapons does one of the first three outclass the fourth

[zealous vessel]

What boons do I go for on aspect of Poseidon?

[zealous vessel]

This

[wind birch]

exit wounds, the hermes one that makes them drop faster(im blanking), and fully loaded

also a high damage cast, dont go for demeter/ares or something

sticking casts

[rotund tangle]

I would say the hidden aspect is the best on shield (until like 60+ heat probably) and maybe bow (especially on 60+ heat probably)

But I have personal bias towards hidden shield lol

[spring zinc]

Yea idk even know what heat means yet just heard it thrown around lol

But wanting to invest in the good aspects early and not waste too much blood

[rotund tangle]

Hidden bow is pretty hard to use imo, hidden shield people say is hard to use but I don't think so

At least on keyboard and mouse

[zealous vessel]

Is aspect of Arthur any good

[frozen lion]

Yeah
The triple attack combo does stupid damage on the third or even second hits, and you can dash after starting the animations to reposition while Zag is winding up for the swing
And it can facetank

[zealous vessel]

What sort of builds can I go for on it?

[frozen lion]

% damage increase on attack would be good. So Artemis, Aphrodite, Athena
Special could go well with doom
Dash boons are always nice. If you're playing with DC on the pact of punishment, Ares dash could help remove the blue hearts
Since Arthur gives you faculties to facetank/mitigate incoming damage, revenge boons would be more effective than usual

[zealous vessel]

What sort of duo boons do you think I should aim for? Especially since they tend to sort of make builds as good as they are

[rotund tangle]

Never used Arthur before but Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark -> Heart Rend is always nice (with Aphrodite Attack)

[zealous vessel]

Thank you! Legend

[grim arrow]

If I equip a god keepsake and then ignore their offering for another option, is the next god offering I get still guaranteed to be from that god?

[mint coral]

yeah

you'll see a 1 under the keepsake if the "force next offering" is still in effect

[grim arrow]

OH YEAH of course

thank you very much

[frozen lion]

It's more consistent to not rely on duo boons, but rather simply take them if they happen to come up.

[zealous vessel]

Honestly I’ve been struggling a bit lately, no matter what builds I do I usually die just as I am close to beating hades phase 2

[frozen lion]

The easiest way to dodge a lot of his attacks are by picking up extra dashes, either from the mirror or Hermes boons, and just outranging everything. It's possible to have only 1 dash and iframe everything, but that's significantly harder and really only matters if you're trying to recklessly DPS firehose him instead of playing with any semblance of safety.

[zealous vessel]

My main issue is when I’m trying to kill the little minion things he spawns he just batters me, I tried to dps rush him and ignore them but then they just beat me up anyway

[frozen lion]

DPS rushing Hades is the way to go. When he teleports, that's a good time to do some damage to the adds

Or, if the opportunity presents itself, catch both the adds and dad in the same swing

[zealous vessel]

I’ll try

Thank you

[frozen lion]

Don't forget to use hallowed ground to reduce incoming damage

[zealous vessel]

What’s hallowed ground?

[frozen lion]

Aspect of Arthur special

You have normal attack, special attack, and cast
The special plants a damage reduction aura around the point of floorsmash

[zealous vessel]

Oh makes sense

[shell swan]

Time to start the grind for my remaining duo boons, and thank god for the fandom wiki to tell me what specific boons I need, and Gods Legacy because knowing my luck this is gonna be a while for even one of them

Plus all the keepsakes I'll be using has the added bonus of letting me finish up maxing relationships

[latent moon]

The codex in game tells you what boons you need as well lmao

[spark swallow]

hello, does anyone know why first 2 rewards appear as claimed even after i turn on heat for the clear?

[shell swan]

Well saves me the time from going to the wiki I guess, I was never getting some of these duo boons without checking somewhere (I do not run cast builds lmao)

[spark swallow]

even tho i havent done it with that amount of heat before

[mint coral]

What heat is this

You prob haven't cleared the previous heat level

You can't skip heat levels so going higher will just keep giving the lowest available

[spark swallow]

oh, i understand now, thanks

i havent fully cleared it on that heat lvl and tried turning it up more

[shell swan]

Hunting Blades at the literal last possible chance, I used my last fate swap to get an Artemis boon and it finally showed up in the gauntlet, just like 6 more to go

[shell swan]

Anyone know how the duo boon prophecy specifically works? Do I have to beat Hades with it, or can I replace it with something else, because I just got Curse of Drowning before the furies, and I also need Curse of Longing, so I was gonna see if I can grab that in the same run

[mint coral]

No need to kill dad but also longing and drowning can be obtained at the same time

[shell swan]

Oh nice I thought I could only get one duo boon at a time, that simplifies things greatly, I'm at 6 duos left and 3 of them involve Ares lmao, so more I can get in one run the better

[rustic vale]

You can get as many duo boons as pheasibly possible

there’s no cap

[mint coral]

Only some duos block others from showing up

Mainly cast duos

[shell swan]

In theory if I get really lucky I could get all 3 other duo boons then lmao

[shell swan]

Between Curse of Drowning and Heart Rend, this game really likes giving me a heart attack by not giving me the duo boon until the last possible boon

[wind birch]

@rustic vale tried speedrunning today, got a 12:07 and a 13:00 run b2b

beowulf go nyoom

the 13:00 run didnt get mirage shot but i got fully loaded, worked well enough with rush delivery and hyper sprint

[rustic vale]

Nice

[wind birch]

its fun going fast

im mad about the 13:00 run though, i missed my meg summon on lernie, got literally 0 chaos gates, and there was an extra fight chamber in elysium .-.

did see pat though so it was worth

[spring zinc]

Any reason to spend more nectar on gods or other npcs one you got the keepsake?

Or keep nectar for trades now

[rustic vale]

Story and 6 npcs give you a little companion

[latent moon]

you typically don't use meg on lernie btw

you use her on tartarus, aspho, and ely minibosses
and then heroes and hades

if you get an extra you use it for styx miniboss

or i guess if you get barge in asphodel then you can use that one for styx miniboss

but typically never lernie, the time loss doesn't come from the big head it comes from the smaller heads

and using meg on those is just a waste of damage nad no way you're actually getting like 4+ heads with the summon

[rustic vale]

I don’t know if I’ve ever used her for a tart boss

[spring zinc]

Who gives the companions?

[rustic vale]

Meg/than/dusa/achilles/skelly/sistphus

[spring zinc]

Just got my first clear!

Got twin shot and point blank in the same run super lucky

[rustic vale]

Nice!

Tbh your odds of getting a good hammer combo on bow are far higher than any other weapon

Half the hammers are good options

[valid widget]

Hello

[little lark]

Yeah taking a break for too long really suckssss

[unkempt moat]

first rd after 17 clears (carrying keepsake)
I quit the game after a room to look at the wiki and when I continued zag took a bunch of damage from lava

is there a tas fresh file?
searched for it on yt but couldn't find any

[indigo badge]

that would be very hard to make

because of how seeding works in hades

[radiant ingot]

Is hades 1 any good? I loved the 2nd game and see 1 on sale for 8$

[indigo badge]

yep it's great

[radiant ingot]

How does the difficulty compare if you don’t mind

[indigo badge]

depends on yourself

some say it's easier some say it's harder

[rustic vale]

As far as I’m aware fear from H2 is far easier than Heat from H1 if you ended up going into high fear

[radiant ingot]

I still haven’t played high fear in hades 2 lol. The most i did was like 10 and it stressed me out

[rotund tangle]

I can attest to this lol my highest in H1 is 40, and only once, I have 6 50s in H2

Feels like Mel can just get so much stronger than Zag

Also once you get to 40+ heat you might need Routine Inspection and Approval Process already

The H2 equivalent of RI is not touched until 62+ and the H2 equivalent of AP isn't even a detriment half the time, there's also other near-free fear that isn't in H1

And there's a lot more ways to preserve/replenish DDs as well as a lot more defensive boons

[jagged garnet]

Anyone know how many gods we can take in jpom run?

[mint coral]

4 gods + hermes and chaos if you mean in a normal run

Dunno what jpom means

[jagged garnet]

I mean dont use or swith Olympian's keepsake. So if I switch keepsake and get 5 gods, what will happen?

[muted anvil]

#h2-discussion, but jpom just doesn't activate anymore (boons previously equipped keep their +Lv.)

[muted anvil]

||jpom|| is a postgame H2 keepsake

[muted anvil]

spoiler this

[mint coral]

Ohhhh now I recognize lmfao

[jagged garnet]

Oh sr my bad

[feral patio]

POV: you’re having the worst run of your life and you get hit with a 5 sack

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-kinkytwt-stan-twitter-stan-twitter-memes-monkey-angry-gif-25266657

[manic finch]

wtf is a 5-sack

[mint coral]

how many tunnels you need to go through in styx to get the food for cerberus

[manic finch]

I guess I still have to finish Elysium for that

[midnight bobcat]

Question how do i unlock dionysus locked heart

[manic finch]

you have to buy a poster of dionysus from the contractor

[midnight bobcat]

I did that

[manic finch]

is his prophecy fulfilled?

[midnight bobcat]

God of wine yes

[manic finch]

then I don't know

[midnight bobcat]

Ahh man

Well thanks anyway

[manic finch]

sorry

the link didn't work

[manic finch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2238809372

now it works

here's a great guide

[rustic vale]

Each npcs has their respective “favour” listed in the “affinity” section for their character on the fandom wiki

[junior spire]

No matter what I do, I can't get the quest to reunite Nyx and Chaos to start. I've done everything else in the game. There are no more entries to get in the journal. no more upgrades to get, and everything has been bought.

There's no more dialogue with Nyx or chaos when I interact with them

[frozen lion]

Did you ever get the ||contract thingy for the Eldest Sigil and then go into the administrative chambers and interact with the yellow dot?||

[radiant ingot]

Would you guys say that beating Elysium is 6 runs is good progress? (I got destroyed immediately after)

[lavish sorrel]

1: yes
2: would recommend moving to #h1-for-new-players for the time being; outside of that channel you're likely to encounter gameplay- and story-spoilers.

[manic finch]

do you have any strategies on how to use the bow?

It feels damn clunky

[rustic vale]

Dash-strike

[frozen lion]

Dash strike. Start holding shoot while dashing

SHACKLE, CUE THE COPYPASTA

[rustic vale]

It’ll keep you far more mobile and let you take shots more often

The video or the text one

[frozen lion]

Text

[rustic vale]

The leading cause of dissatisfaction with bow is standing-striking-itus. It's the bane of new players picking up bow for the first time.

Symptoms of standing-striking-itus may include:

• Feelings that bow isn't a fast enough weapon
• Emotional (and physical damage) due to your attacks getting interrupted by enemies
• Feelings that bow has "low damage output"

Is what's happening to me normal?

It's very common for first time bow users and even long term Hades fans to experience standing-striking-itus. Roughly 1 in 3 Hades players will experience it within their lifetimes. It can be a long-running, persistent illness if left untreated.

How do I treat standing-striking-itus?

Start dash-striking when you use bow. Dash striking on bow acts just like a regular strike, but it charges 50% faster, and deals 66% of the base damage.
This allows bow to play far more aggressively, thanks to increased mobility and decreased gaps in damage. Dash strikes also benefit from dash-strike damage boosts, sourced from Artemis's Hunter Dash, and Chaos's Lunge boons, allowing for even higher damage scaling. When you wrap everything up, you end up with a safer, faster, and higher damaging package than what you had before, and this is usually sufficient treatment for 95% of standing-striking-itus sufferers.

-Dr Shackle

[manic finch]

lmao

[rustic vale]

Also for visual learners

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=69a435e2&is=69a2e462&hm=72b39745c61667a0fac4d8df4745192617ec7273043011cb07ab9deaea0e77f7&

[manic finch]

I tried the dash strike before, but I can't get no

satisfaction

[manic finch]

are we even playing the same game

😭

[frozen lion]

Yep, Hades 1

[manic finch]

so flashy

[rustic vale]

I mean Meg is 44% faster than normal here

But yeah

[manic finch]

that's nutmeg

[radiant ingot]

What are good gods for the bow and spear? Personally I just use Aphrodite for everything since that’s how i played hades 2

[rustic vale]

Alecto

Same furies

[manic finch]

I love Dionysus for spear

[rustic vale]

Aphro is really solid for bow since it has high base damage but spear is a faster attacking weapon so usually zeus strike or ares for merciful end makes more sense

[latent moon]

Did you have a hammer here lmao

[rustic vale]

dio can as well

[manic finch]

feels great

[rustic vale]

Perfect shot I think?

[latent moon]

Ah that'll do it then

[rustic vale]

It wasn’t twin and it wasn’t point-blank

I also had hydraulic might for the first phase or 2

[latent moon]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[rustic vale]

The furies all blend together tbf

tisiphone is the real different one

[manic finch]

the murder fury lowkey annoys me

[spring zinc]

Man is the loyalty card only active for a certain number of runs

Thought I was gonna get a permanent discount 🙁

[rustic vale]

Only for the run you’re in

It’d be crazy if it persisted

[spring zinc]

Maaaaan I was so stoked

[latent moon]

It's a bit broken for it to be permanent lmao

[spring zinc]

Yea fair but feeling more broken as you go is part of the fun lol

So any time the bag pops up you can fight him get the 300 and the loyalty card

[latent moon]

Yeah pretty much

Higher risk higher reward the earlier you fight him in the run

[rustic vale]

You can already get plenty of that tbf

[manic finch]

is it possible to rizz up skelly?

[rustic vale]

no

[manic finch]

damn

then I won't give him ambrosia

[spring zinc]

Dear god aspect of eris

This is so busted

[latent moon]

Eris moment

[spring zinc]

First clear without a single death defiance pop

[mint coral]

Eris gaming

[manic finch]

Does Devo fit the vibe of Hades?

hades for android would be lowkey tuff

[spring zinc]

24 Escape attempts with 4 clears already I'm cookin

[pastel igloo]

I just realised there's a "god model" today after a year of Hades 1, what does it do?

makes the game easier?

[rustic vale]

God mode gives 20% damage reduction and stacks an extra 2% per death up to 80%

so

It ends up being 5x as much effective hp

[spring zinc]

Man I really thought poseiden was one of the worst gods

Until I got his cast and breaking wave...

Is poseiden the best cast in the game? Felt like it tbh, I think zeus' and dionysus are up there too

[pastel igloo]

Thanks~

[rustic vale]

Ngl

The casts are aspect dependent

he’s best for hidden shield otherwise pretty okay

[rustic vale]

Tidal dash alone makes this so so wrong

Does he suck for strike and special on every aspect? Yes
Does he absolutely kill on every aspect (other than the shields) on dash? absolutely yes

[spring zinc]

Yea I guess his damage percentages are just really good?

I always saw pushback and just assumed it was bad lol, why pushback if I can reflect or leave damaging zones on the ground

[latent moon]

no his damage %s are really bad lmao

esp for attack

the special is actually pretty high but not much of a reason to use him over aphrodite or artemis most of the time

[rustic vale]

His damage percentages don’t make up for the knockback just being bad on strike/special

his dash is really strong

that’s what matters

[rustic vale]

Leaving damaging zones on the ground?

nothing really does that

[spring zinc]

Just base damage wise you mean?

[rustic vale]

yep

35+7 per rarity and first pom is +21 it’s a little crazy

[spring zinc]

Ares/dio/aphro/demeter lol

I guess they don't stay long but thats what I meant

[rustic vale]

I guess? Pos has that too though then

Between tidal dash and breaking wave

[spring zinc]

Yea I can imagine that's a busted combo, makes sense now ig in my head I didn't look at the dmg numbers of his dash and just saw pushback lol

[rustic vale]

His numbers are high and his pom scaling is really god it’s the best damage dash

[spring zinc]

Whereas others had some kinda damage "effect" so my brain liked lol

[spring zinc]

Good to know 👍

[rustic vale]

the knockback is pretty bad for strike and special but when you’re dash-strike already you hit your dash-strike then apply the knockback/damage

[rustic vale]

You can pretty easily hit 70 damage tidal dash with either 1 pom on epic or 2 poms on common

Highest base damage per dash by a long shot if you don’t count multiple hits from blade dash

vut tdash is instant and has higher aoe

[spring zinc]

And is actual impact damage where you're going as well not leaving damage behind

[rustic vale]

It also scales super well from global additive like hyper sprint -> rush delivery because of this

[rustic vale]

Yep it’s aoe works so much better

Styx destroyer and great boss dps

Lemme see

I have one really absurdly high pommed one somewhere

[spring zinc]

Just the fact breaking wave works with it alone is enough to make it the best probably

[rustic vale]

Eh it’d be best without breaking wave

[spring zinc]

The first time I used his cast along with breaking wave in styx and one shot a room... nuutttyy xD

[rustic vale]

breaking wave makes it strong but it’s so strong by itself

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1409916817421504664/F74DBAE8-A386-4BCE-9947-7601852A0E4B.jpg?ex=69a4fe9c&is=69a3ad1c&hm=66e7de707882217ee81eb68270e8229b3d359e4c16ca8fa3dfdb83a415d6374c&

[spring zinc]

Ye that's wild more dmg than most base attacks

[rustic vale]

poms essentially 0.7x in value per level up up til level 7 at the latest if not far earlier

then hit linear scaling

[rustic vale]

Even like 2 poms on an epic is 84

mix it in with a little global additive like rush delivery or eris or family favourites

you get some crazy bossing numbers per dash / helps slower weapons really deal with smaller enemies

[rustic vale]

The only one that really competes is blade dash but blade dash is like single target damage and more finnicky

[spring zinc]

Yea I've tried to use it a few times it's just awkward

I had generally been going for zeus or athena at the beggining

[rustic vale]

Most weapons don’t start tdash tbf

They get their builds then look for pos in the meantime

[valid widget]

My luck is awful

[rustic vale]

What makes you say thatv

[valid widget]

When I go for a darkness I hard ever get any dark chambers

Like 3 max for each location

And it gives me things like power poms when I don't have any good boons

[rustic vale]

See

You only get a very tiny amount of blue laurel rewards per biome

it’s not that crazy

[valid widget]

No no no

Its not a once every 1 or 2 escape attemps its constant

[rustic vale]

What I’m saying is that getting 3 darkness rewards per biome is like

the max blue laurel rewards you could feasibly get

that makes sense to me

[brisk trail]

Just started playing with Hell Mode on.
Idk how many runs does it take for me to beat it.

Read some guides so not the blind playthrough

[jade urchin]

Is attack increase charge attack of shields? How do youbincrease that

[rustic vale]

Yes

Same for spear spin

[bright oxide]

how do you guys feel about god mode? is it like cheating? im playing for my first time and idk if i should use it

[rustic vale]

If you feel like you want/need to use it, use it

Whether you want a more relaxing experience or just want to complete more game content and feel like the game is far too difficult for you

It’s not really cheating unless you’re intending to claim those runs for speedrunning or high heat accomplishments

[valid widget]

Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will take any advice from you guys

[jade urchin]

For some reason doesnt feel like shields are strong compared to other things or I didnt figure out how to use them. Charged dash seems weak

Probably aphrodite is best right? Because she has best multiplayer. Not sure if dash can crit on artemise

What happens if I get a cast upgrade on beofwulf shield