h1-discussion

[white shoal]

no wonder it's so hard to scale damage late game

[rotund tangle]

Damage boosts would stack too much if it were multiplicative

[white shoal]

gimme poe dmg scaling in hades T_T

[mint coral]

Embrace crits

[white shoal]

huh
neat

apparently, if you attack then dash, if you time it just right, you can transform your regular attack into a dash attack

like pre dash

not post dash

[cinder raft]

Athena is objectively the better dash right? I know artemis is good, but having the immune as extra frames is amazing

[white shoal]

I prefer athena's dash, personally

[mint coral]

Athena's is best defensive, poseidon is best for dmg

[cinder raft]

Athenas and hermes +3 dash is heavenly

Also, when you get deflect does more damage, does it mean the small bit of damage on the deflect, or the thing you deflected back?

[mint coral]

The latter

[cinder raft]

Oooo nice thankyou

[mint coral]

Poseidon's also allows you to make a complete joke of styx

Thanks to breaking wave

[cinder raft]

Yeah poseidon for styx is my fave ever

Still good on elysium too

[mint coral]

Turns out that having the highest dmg per dash is good

[cinder raft]

Oh, nah

I just use it on special

If spear

Poseidon is my fave across both games

[mint coral]

Oh
Special is surprisingly 2nd highest lol

Meanwhile the attack

But yeah often when thinking about dashes is just divine vs tidal

[cinder raft]

Wait hes seen as good damage boost? I thought it was always aphro/artemis sometimes athena

I thought his % was much lower

[mint coral]

He's 2nd lowest yeah

Lowest is arty but she has crits

His attack is awful

[white shoal]

poseidon special + nuke exyagryph is how I almost got my first win

casual 700 dmg nukes ftw

[mint coral]

Wait till you get hazard bomb + arty special

[white shoal]

kek

crits are only 3x dmg

[mint coral]

Yeah but that's multiplicative

Arty scales really well with other sources of additive

[white shoal]

it's less consistent, tho

[mint coral]

Oh for sure

But you have hazard bonb

You are still nuking

[white shoal]

kek

[mint coral]

Or once you max eris aspect and you get a free +75%

Cluster rockets is also very dumb

[white shoal]

man I wish I could find more hammers
they never show up when I want 'em

[mint coral]

Because rocket removes the -30% dmg from cluster

So you get 5 80 dmg rockets

[white shoal]

had an arti + triple bomb run yesterday
that was fun

do you have to take rocket after cluster?

or does order not matter?

[mint coral]

Doesn't matter

[white shoal]

that's so dumb XD

[mint coral]

Is a bug lol

[rotund tangle]

Yeah but I think taking Cluster technically raises the odds of getting Rocket on the second one?

[white shoal]

surprised they're not still providing at least some bugfix patches 🙁

[rotund tangle]

I mean most bugs benefit the player like Cluster Rockets or Beowulf Mirage Shot/Trippy Poms

[white shoal]

so
how does death defiance mix with the other defy death ability?

(just found a legendary boon from chaos)

[rotund tangle]

It just adds a fourth one

[white shoal]

but I don't have death defiance

[rotund tangle]

Can't remember if you can refill it though

[old bluff]

beo is also known for having some pretty disastrous bugs lmao

[white shoal]

imo
even beneficial bugs should be patched

[old bluff]

like all the cshot rarity bs

[rotund tangle]

Oh yeah the tiny flare bug too

I never experienced it thankfully

[old bluff]

its not even just that

[white shoal]

wait... I thought beowolf was a norse myth, not greek

[old bluff]

there is the 50% chance that cshots base damage goes down to 50 from 80

[drowsy kettle]

all the hidden aspects are from different mythologies

[white shoal]

oic

[old bluff]

and then there is the whole dumb random damage bug

[white shoal]

do I take halting defiance?
or be lame and take the +35 atk dmg instead?

(still don't know how halting defiance combos with the alternate defy death perk that's once per encounter)

[cinder raft]

How would i build arthur with artemis? Bored of doing it with aphro and demeter

[rotund tangle]

I believe it acts just like the Lucky Tooth

So you lose the SD first

[cinder raft]

Or is there any other build i could do?

[white shoal]

I forget what lucky tooth does

[rotund tangle]

Extra DD consumed after your DDs

[white shoal]

oic

ngl
I kinda wish we had a map
or at least a floor counter

to see how far into a floor you are

[rotund tangle]

Isn't there a chamber counter when you press B

[white shoal]

coooool
thx chaos
reduced dash length just in time for the boss 😢

[white shoal]

what's that on controller?

nvm

found it

[rotund tangle]

No idea, whatever button you use to check your boons

[white shoal]

and thx, I see it now

lul
hidden up in the top left corner, where no other relevant information is provided XD

hmmm
triple jab or extending jab?

or be lame and go with the charged special

hmm
think I might be leaning toward triple jab, just for the increased coverage...

well?
whaddaya'll think?

[mint coral]

Base spear I assume?

[white shoal]

ye

got demeter's core atk boon

[mint coral]

Hm, I'd prob take charged skewer and pray for exploding launcher 2nd halmer

[white shoal]

T_T

[mint coral]

Also for reference on top of the chamber list
Tartarus has 12 (12 being last combat)
Aspho has 6 (22 is last combat)
Elysium is 8 (34 is last combat)

Chaos skips a chamber unless taken at the last combat, in which case you add a chamber

[white shoal]

ic ic

wait
then how am I in chamber 24 in the chamber before the boss?

[mint coral]

Did you take chaos at ch12 or ch22

[white shoal]

oic
so chaos doesn't skip the chamber before the boss either?

[mint coral]

Yeah, that's what I mean with creates a chamber

[white shoal]

ic

[mint coral]

Thus everything else gets delayed a chamher

[white shoal]

ic ic

[mint coral]

Funny enough this also allows you to get both hermes in tartarus

[white shoal]

wat

[mint coral]

Normally you can't get the 2nd hermes boon in tartaru

[white shoal]

thought boons were randomized

[mint coral]

They are but hermes/hammers are built different

[white shoal]

wat

[mint coral]

You can't get your 2nd hammer until Elysium

[white shoal]

laaaaame

[mint coral]

2nd hermes normally shows up from aspho and onwards

But if you take chaos at chamber 12, the endshop of taratarus creates enough biome depth that 2nd hermes can show up as a free reward

Niche funny scenario more than anything

[wise token]

Sisyphus doesnt seem trustworthy

[frozen lion]

lul

[white shoal]

Oooo
that's a neat combo
stubborn roots

well
that's lame
apparently "death defiance" counts as "stubborn defiance" for the sake of "stubborn roots"

[rustic vale]

Yeah

You only get the stubborn roots regen after losing all your defiances

[white shoal]

lame
it only says stubborn, not the other one T_T

[rustic vale]

It says stubborn when you have stubborn turned on

[white shoal]

stupid chaos legendary boon T_T

[rustic vale]

It says death defiances when you have death defiances turned on

but it ultimately only cares when you have nothing left

[white shoal]

sadge

huh
lame
apparently it turns off after combat is over, too T_T

[rustic vale]

You have to put in the work if you want to leave combat with full hp with stubborn

[white shoal]

"work"
i.e. playing ring around the rosie with a single enemy remaining to top off

[white shoal]

LET'S GOOOOOOO

first win!!!

who knew, infinite regen is OP af

man
this is so sad XD
my first win is with arguably my worst build yet XD

[jovial flicker]

Trust me it's not as broken later

[white shoal]

friggin triple stab demeter base spear with quick spin
both hammer upgrades largely useless for me XD

really should've grabbed extending stab instead

[atomic creek]

so Zag is the prince

ok?

and Hades is the king

conclusion?

he's his dad

[rustic vale]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-mind-blown-mind-blowing-eyeglasses-gif-15569009

[atomic creek]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tkt-smart

[white shoal]

woo
just flawlessed the hydra for the first time

[cinder raft]

Any tips for theseus extreme measures?

I can find 0 helpful vids online

[white shoal]

maaaan
hammer, artimes, and chaos as options

got rocket exagryph atm

with no special boon 😢

what would ya'll take?

(is base exagryph

[mint coral]

Is this your 2nd hammer then?

[white shoal]

yes

[mint coral]

Pray for cluster bomb def

[cinder raft]

Nvm he was way more of a pushover than be looks

[white shoal]

XD

feels bad giving up a chaos gate

[mint coral]

The fun part about cluster rockets is that you can just add any % special and it will work

[white shoal]

kek

I'm hoping for an arti or poseidon

cluster bomb acquired

am sad it's a spread tho

instead of an actual cluster

was expecting the single rocket to explode into a cluster of rockets

bruuuuh
arti refuses to give me a special boon

[mint coral]

Now you have a shotgun :p

Just fire it point blank

[white shoal]

even pb seems to miss a few rockets 😢

[white shoal]

bruuuuuh
1165/1200 for my 'free' titan's blood T_T

[mint coral]

Should have sold more boons

[white shoal]

hype
2nd win
for 2 back to back wins

gawd exagryph is op op XD

didn't even pop my stubborn defiance in the hade's fight

[mint coral]

Gg

[white shoal]

how do I unlock the remaining rooms?
I feel like I'm missing something

[mint coral]

In the house you mean?

The one to the left/near Than's spawn point is from the house contractor after a flashback

The one to the right of achilles is just during the main story

[urban zenith]

en the Third one next to Salon = main story 😉

[mint coral]

Oh I forgot that one lol

[white shoal]

ic ic

[white shoal]

ngl
I kinda wish we got a hades x deadcells crossover when they were doin a bunch of deadcells crossovers

btw
anyone actually use the spin attack on the spear?

it feels like it just leaves you too vulnerable too long to be of any use

[white shoal]

hype!
just flawlessed meg! (didn't pop my no damage trinket)

[plush berry]

what do i do guys i just reached my room and idk what to do

[white shoal]

leave the room thru the back way

[mint coral]

Spin stinky unless quick spin hammer

Hidden spear has a much better spin too

[white shoal]

even quickspin hammer is unwieldy

how do you unlock the hidden options?

I've already beaten the game twice now

[mint coral]

#h1-story-discussion pinned messages

[white shoal]

tl;dr?

[plush berry]

oh where i entered?

[white shoal]

you just started, ye?

zag's room has an exit in the back to a training room

[plush berry]

yes i died

and i got sent to a hotel or something

i went and got a bow

and i dont know where to go after

[white shoal]

ah

if you got the bow, the exit is to the right of the training room

gratz on beating meg on yer first attempt, then XD

[mint coral]

Thank god I'm not the only one

[mint coral]

5 non zag aspects unlocked > talk to achilles > reveal hidden spear

[white shoal]

oic

[mint coral]

For the others
Put 5 blood on weapon > talk to X character

Spear needs to be revealed for the rest

[white shoal]

I've been hoarding blood
cuz it was so hard to come by up till just recently XD

hmm, lvl 3 -> lvl 5 drunken strike?
or
lvl 2 -> lvl 4 bad influence?

[mint coral]

is influence the global dmg one

yeah, uh prob pom drunken

is nice for rooms but won't get you much for bosses

[white shoal]

yeah, bad influence is big dmg boost for high stacks

drunken strike goes from 7 -> 9 dmg per tick

while bad influence goes from 119% -> 143% dmg boost

[tacit ember]

the issue with bad influence is consistently 3 enemies with hangover

• mostly usless for bosses

from 7 to 9 dmg is around a 28% increase which is pretty good

[mint coral]

I also assume you have other global dmg sources

[white shoal]

welp
time to hammer gamba

-1 for +2

[mint coral]

what wep is this

[white shoal]

base spear

I have charge special and anti-armor special

[mint coral]

inb4 you get serrated point

[white shoal]

kek

no clue what that is XD

woooooooooow

ya called it XD

lost charge special
got serrated

[mint coral]

Anvil moment

[white shoal]

and 125% larger sweep

[mint coral]

Have fun adjustng to the lesser dash distance

[white shoal]

kek

I've taken that chaos boon before XD

at least I got 3 dashes

[tacit ember]

Noway bro said kek bruh

[white shoal]

lul
kek
lol
lmao even 😛

[tacit ember]

Teehee perhaps

[white shoal]

kek

okay so

premium vintage
calculated risk
or
numbing sensation

for final fight

[wicked belfry]

How do I spoil the dog more

I gave them a Full ass bed

[white shoal]

give them more nectar

[wicked belfry]

Im saving nectar for olympus

Im post game

Need to feed nectar to gods

So they Can agree on sum

[white shoal]

how do you know when yer post game?
I've already beaten hades twice now

[wicked belfry]

There a large story cutscene

Youll know

[white shoal]

hnnnn

[mint coral]

there's a really big credits roll

[white shoal]

I kinda prefered deadcell's method more tbh
cuz getting a "boss cell" made it a lot more apparent you were making progress

[mint coral]

I mean, if you are going through the story you know one or two dad kills are advancing stuff

[urban zenith]

Give cerberus ball and bear!

[white shoal]

maaaan
pom'ing arti attack boon suuuucks

+8% dmg? really?

[vast raven]

ye artemis kinda just scales off of the crits themselves

not really the pomming

[urban zenith]

Im so happy to spoil my bby boi by buing chairs and table with flowers and candles... this game is so awesome 💎

[white shoal]

kinda wish it upgraded the crit chance by +1% or +2% per lvl instead

bruuuuh
this is the 3rd poseidon boon in a row that it's offered to replace my arti atk boon!!!

[lavish sorrel]

hope this helps

tldr you're either getting unlucky repeatedly hitting a 10% chance, or poseidon has run out of boons

[white shoal]

considering the first poseidon boon I picked up offered a swap
I don't think he's run out of options just yet XD

I still have a cast slot without a boon, btw

[rustic vale]

Which does mean it’s like a 1/1000 chance at minimum for 3 exchanged in a row

[white shoal]

bruuuh
why do I only get that stupidly "lucky" on stupid bullcrap like that? XD

(the 3rd replacement offer was also purple rarity, too)

[vast raven]

replacements will always be a rarity above what the boon currently is

meaning that heroic rarity boons cant be replaced :D

[white shoal]

huh, neat

welp
2nd hammer gamba I lost

lost my +50% crit on return throw
for exploding base 50 dmg special T_T

what's so special about the 450 boon at the final shop?

why's it so expensive? increased rarity?

[jovial flicker]

its like a miniboss boon instead of regular room i believe

[white shoal]

miniboss boons are different?

I've not noticed

[jovial flicker]

just higher rarity

[white shoal]

ic ic

[vast raven]

higher rarity but actually have lower duo odds (2% dif iirc)

[latent moon]

guaranteed rare and increased epic chance

yeah

[jovial flicker]

huh i didnt know the duo part

is it the same for h2?

[jovial sorrel]

is artemis build the best

for sword

[vast raven]

i believe so yes

[white shoal]

GOTCHA!!!
3rd win!
and with 11 hp to spare
(didn't pop my stubborn defiance)

[mint coral]

To be very specific isn't only tartarus miniboss guaranteed rare

[white shoal]

tempest flourish + exploding launcher ftw

[mint coral]

Pretty sure the others have very low chance of giving common

[latent moon]

oh really

that's cursed

[white shoal]

man
why does running in non-combat zones have this weird flickering effect?

bleck
addelled strike, roiling shot, and pauper's eclispe
all garbo boons for my exagryph build

[rustic vale]

Eclipse is the least bad here

I think

[white shoal]

kinda ye
but 4 encounters of no gold kinda sucks

[rustic vale]

Unless I’m misremembering my curses

[latent moon]

tbf rail really only benefits from special hammers unless you're on hestia lmao

so not really a wide net

[white shoal]

I got special arti

and cluster

as my first 2 picks

[reef zodiac]

Hi can anyone remind me how to do 45 heat with Chiron, it’s the last aspect I’m missing

haven’t played in months

[white shoal]

chiron bow?
that thing loves arti + aprhodite iirc

[rustic vale]

don’t

[reef zodiac]

I’ve been putting it off lol

I hate this weapon

[white shoal]

you might wanna drop the heat down for a bit first, then
to get the rust off

[reef zodiac]

It’s literally the worst one

[rustic vale]

You could just play it like bad zag bow

[latent moon]

i think bad zag bow is the play lmfao

[white shoal]

y tho?
is 2nd best weapon

[rustic vale]

if you don’t want to play around the gimmick

[latent moon]

are you doing modded

[reef zodiac]

It’s the worst weapon

[latent moon]

no it's unironically like the worst

[reef zodiac]

I did 45 heat with everything else

They’re all easier

[white shoal]

nah nah
worst weapon is fists

[rustic vale]

Chiron is unironically the 4th best bow aspect

[reef zodiac]

Nah

[latent moon]

oh welp

[rustic vale]

By a mile

[white shoal]

ya'll just haters

[latent moon]

prob just do bad zag bow

[white shoal]

chiron is great

[reef zodiac]

It’s the 24th best aspect in the game

[latent moon]

or dio special i guess

[white shoal]

haaattteeeeerrrr

[latent moon]

reset for twin shot start lmfao

[rustic vale]

Either dio or artemis special either way you want aphro strike

[white shoal]

dio doesn't scale well

[latent moon]

dio literally has a linear scaling

[rustic vale]

dio scales great wdym

[white shoal]

arti special ftw

[latent moon]

it's the only thing that scales well

[rotund tangle]

Dio is the embodiment of scales well

[white shoal]

get aphro attack

[reef zodiac]

Yeah definitely not speaking from personal experience, just an irrational hater, feel free to dismiss

[reef zodiac]

I think I will

[rustic vale]

pom scales like crazy and doesn’y literslly require you to hit all your 2/13 hammers

artemis needs concentrated and relentless way too much

dio gets by with just pom scaling

[latent moon]

thoughts on tdash start at 45 heat for bad zag bow

[white shoal]

I'm not talking about poms

[reef zodiac]

I wish I could use lvl1 Chiron but I already upgraded it

[latent moon]

that's literally like the only way to scale wdym lmfao

[jovial flicker]

scaling generally means poms

or just damage buffs

[latent moon]

hammers dont count as scaling

[jovial flicker]

such as secondary boons/chaos

[white shoal]

the primary way to scale damage is thru synergies and multipliers

[rustic vale]

Then what do you mean

[latent moon]

multipliers yes, synergies eh

[rustic vale]

scaling is literaly all the ways you can scale a boon

[latent moon]

but also if you get enough multipliers on anything then it'll be good lmfao

[rustic vale]

like tidal dash has crazy scaling and a large part of that is the poms

[latent moon]

synergies are only like duo boons and that's not considered scaling that's just like

a normal build

[rustic vale]

dio scales hard with poms

[rotund tangle]

And if you're talking duos Dio has like the best duos for Chiron

[rustic vale]

not including poms in scaling is just a weird way to see things

[rotund tangle]

With Low Tolerance, Splitting Headache, Curse of Nausea

[rustic vale]

low tolerance and curse of nausea sure

splitting headache

[rotund tangle]

Well Splitting Headache if you're pairing it with Low Tolerance and Heart Rend lol

[white shoal]

lvl 1 to lvl 2 = 50% dmg boost
lvl 2 to lvl 3 = 16.7% dmg boost
lvl 3 to lvl 4 = 14.3% dmg boost
lvl 4 to lvl 5 = 12.5% dmg boost

[latent moon]

that's more compared to other boons

[rotund tangle]

Which is way better than anything else

[latent moon]

the only like competitor would be aphrodite attack/special

but they're used for very different builds

you wouldn't use aphro atk where you'd use dio atk

and even then after a certain point you still get +1 on dio poms and other boons it's +3% or whatever

[rustic vale]

You can easily get up to like 14 damage a tick

which is far better scaling than any other boon would end up at after that many poms

[white shoal]

how the eff are you getting that many poms???
I'm lucky to grab 3-5 a run

[latent moon]

it's not impossible to get like 10 poms or something

[rustic vale]

Keep unnecessary boons out of your build to keep your pom odds high

and run dark foresight

for hangover builds specifically I tend to go out of my way for more poms than other builds because it’s just significantly more valuable

[white shoal]

I already have dark foresight maxed

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1382966451144753173/image.png?ex=698a2420&is=6988d2a0&hm=4a7ce8c153c7f9c7f0e5b663e9f7b0921eca4248c8f3c90681e844c1e64e2d47&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1522&height=856

like without dark foresight i still got a lvl 8 boon lmfao

[jovial flicker]

real time 💔

[reef zodiac]

And this is much better than scaling on % boons because it’s flat damage

[white shoal]

I thought aphro cast was a shotgun like wave in front of you
not an aoe

[latent moon]

beowulf

casts do an exposion/flare instead of their normal things

[white shoal]

ic

[reef zodiac]

Beowulf 50 is way easier than Chiron 45 btw

[latent moon]

Oh yeah fs

I just wanted to highlight that getting poms aren't too hard lmao

[reef zodiac]

My comment wasn’t related

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1409916817421504664/F74DBAE8-A386-4BCE-9947-7601852A0E4B.jpg?ex=6989f7dc&is=6988a65c&hm=38705869b7ef50299084a5fbfe793f27e501cc8dc7e3a2413e71cdc312d86099&

This would’ve been level 8 without sweet nectar

[latent moon]

Going through some recent screenshots of mine the lowest was like 5 and that was bc I focused more on boons/hearts instead

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

Anything is easier than Chiron 45

[reef zodiac]

So true

No other aspect gave me close to this much trouble

[rotund tangle]

Hell I had a harder time with Chiron 22 than Beowulf 40

[rustic vale]

Like this is somewhere like 12 poms before the sweet nectar

[reef zodiac]

What’s a fun aspect, I’ll do a 47 or something

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire zagrail

[reef zodiac]

No mods, also that sounds scary

[latent moon]

Rama or luci

[rustic vale]

It’s fun

[rotund tangle]

Curse of Drowning Beowulf

[reef zodiac]

I did a Rama 50 last year but I forgot the pre-run death, still gotta redo that

Luci sounds fun

[rustic vale]

seeded rama 50 someone check this mans hard drive

[white shoal]

hmmmm
pauper's eclipse + ocean's bounty
let's goooo

[reef zodiac]

I’m gonna try AP0 47

[latent moon]

Based

[white shoal]

bruuuuuuuuuuuh
2nd hammer T_T

explosive fire
delta chamber
spread fire

effing ruining my run, man

cluster bomb alone ain't gonna be enough to carry me T_T

[rustic vale]

what aspect is this

[white shoal]

base

went with delta chamber

[reef zodiac]

Ely death

[rustic vale]

if it has any levels I would’ve gone for spreadfire ngl

[reef zodiac]

The other two are basically useless

[white shoal]

I have absolutely no investment in my atk atm

[rustic vale]

You don’t need investment in strike for spreadfire to work ngl often times your global +% is enough

[white shoal]

also
spread attack sucks

[rustic vale]

maybe hit one strike boon from chaos

spread does not suck

[white shoal]

it very much does

[rustic vale]

I use it rather often it’s fun

[white shoal]

killed my run I grabbed it on

[reef zodiac]

Yeah spread fire sucks and Chiron is goated

[rustic vale]

Well yeah the first time you grab it you probably aren’t going to be able to handle it well

[jovial flicker]

it did the first time i got it as well but after getting used to it it was good

[rustic vale]

You don’t really need any +% attack investment for SF to pop off

[white shoal]

why would I ever want to play melee on a ranged weapon?

we've got like 4 melee weapons to play melee with

I'm picking a ranged weapon because I wanna play ranged

[rustic vale]

it’s more that they work better playing at that range already so there’s not a massive downside

[reef zodiac]

It could be because it does a lot of damage

[rustic vale]

like bow likes triple /twin / explosive / point blank because they just boost the bow is a position that works really well anyways

rail gets to abuse tidal dash or blade dash when played up close

[white shoal]

divine dash > tidal dash

[jovial flicker]

theyre equal ngl

[rustic vale]

they have 2 completely different goals

[jovial flicker]

used for different purposes

[rustic vale]

they aren’t really comparable when one is purely used for defense and the other is purely used for offence, you can’t compare dps

you can’t compare them on any real metrics

[white shoal]

my goal is to stay alive

[rustic vale]

Overwhelming damage helps with that

[reef zodiac]

Killing enemies quickly makes it easier to stay alive

[white shoal]

I have no other goal from my "stay the eff alive" skill

[rustic vale]

more damage output= less damage taken

[vast raven]

sighs Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[reef zodiac]

You’re holding yourself back by dismissing offense in this way

[rustic vale]

“Idk man as” revival in 2026

[vast raven]

the bestest of copy pastas

[rustic vale]

I think I sent it the other day

27 days ago yeah the other day

[mint coral]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[white shoal]

offence requires strong reflexes
that is something I've never had since childhood

[vast raven]

that is in fact the other day

[reef zodiac]

Don’t be ridiculous, these are all skills that can be improved with practice

If you mean your reaction speed, you don’t need an above average reaction speed, speaking from experience

[white shoal]

no like
seriously
my reaction times are lower than average due to a defect I have in one of my optical nerves
(that, and my hand-eye coordination sucks, along with my depth perception being 0)

[reef zodiac]

These may be hurdles that make it more difficult for you than for some people, but you don’t have to let them stop you

[white shoal]

I've been able to compensate for the most part
but it still makes reacting/responding quickly difficult

[rustic vale]

It’s a lot more of pre-emptive movement that last second reactions tbh

If you’re playing offense

[reef zodiac]

👆

Playing aggressively just takes more understanding of the enemies and your moveset and more practice with the mechanics

[terse charm]

yo guys

look what poseidon just gave me

[rustic vale]

You can only send images via embedded images link fyi

[terse charm]

yeah, i noticed

thanks

i sent it to victory boasting tho

it workes there for some reason

[jovial flicker]

So you can send photos of victory screen

[white shoal]

omfg
2nd run in a row
where I get cluster bomb on the first hammer
and all attack options on the 2nd hammer

gawd I effing hate cluster bomb!!!

it's only good with rockets

[rotund tangle]

No it's pretty good even without it's just that everything feels like it sucks without Clockets

[white shoal]

it's just such a pita trying to land cluster rockets

and the dmg malus on 'em also sucks

[rustic vale]

Clockets is like a super rare hammer combo tbf

[white shoal]

I'd rather just have rocket over cluster tho

[latent moon]

i mean rocket is like the best hammer lmao

ofc you'd rather have that

not much you can do about hammer rng

[rustic vale]

Seed it

[white shoal]

finally!
stubborn roots, lets gooooo

this run might go the distance after all

can you upgrade stubborn roots with poms?

[latent moon]

no

you can't upgrade any duo boon

duos and legendaries cannot be upgraded with poms

no hermes or chaos either

and a handful of other boons from the other gods

[white shoal]

sadge

woooooo
4th win
let's gooooo

crutchin hard on stubborn roots XD

interesting

I've noticed that every time you beat hades
his eyes turn from red to green

[white shoal]

okay lul

so I've got prob the silliest build I've made yet XD

first boon offered was poseidon dash
so I said "eff it" and decided to try it out cuz of ya'll pesterin me bout it

then I realised you can start with stygius's special then dash to make the sword aoe travel with you
so I immediately grabbed super nova, athena special, then later followed by double nova

so now I'm just spamming special -> dash dash dash all over the place

and it's hilarious XD

the entire screen is just constantly full of shockwaves XD

[little lark]

Add Rupture effect for maximum silly

[urban zenith]

Finaly! Achilles' quests is so close to finish #fearisfortheweak

[cinder raft]

Anyone got a zag spear build that isnt poseidon zeus?

[white shoal]

can always just crutch on special doom application

hmm
base stygius with demeter cast
do I take +35 atk or +1 cast from chaos?

[cinder raft]

Oit ill send it man ty

[cinder raft]

Do you guys think its harder to make builds in this one than in 2m

2?*

[mint coral]

yeah but not bc h1 is lacking per say

h2 just turned it up to eleven

[cinder raft]

Yeah i agree generally, it was too easy to make them in 2

But the runs where you select a god for first keepsake and you dont see it again until one boon in elysium suuuck

Is there something im doing thats causing this? Like not closing pool etc?

[rustic vale]

It’s pretty much only not closing pool

[mint coral]

Do you have dark foresight on?

[cinder raft]

Yep, and the epic chance one

Ah crap, but to close the pool i'd have to take non optimal things usually

I mean sometimes it works amazing, but others not so much

[mint coral]

I mean, just grab a non core

[rustic vale]

Just be less picky about your god pool

Most builds just rely on their main 2 gods and then the other 2 don’t need to be set in stone

[white shoal]

woot
5th win
crutching on stubbern roots again XD

man
crystal lasers are kinda meh, ngl

even at 17 dmg per tick
they just didn't feel like they did all that much dmg

[mint coral]

Did you have the artemis duo

[white shoal]

sadly, no

tried for it
just never got it

[silk sail]

i just absolutely threw what could have been my first fresh file clear

[white shoal]

rip

[silk sail]

i mean the rng was very weird

but i had a level 3 epic athena special, level 2 epic aeres attack, athena dash and was just missing merciful end

and i got athena like 6 times during the run and didnt get the duo

then just died to some shield guys in elysium

didnt even notice how low i was

[frozen lion]

shield guys can be really annoying sometimes

[silk sail]

just one second half hp one second 1 hp

[white shoal]

O.o

no stubborn defiance?

oh roit

"fresh"

[jovial flicker]

use dd

[white shoal]

I find stubborn is better while yer still learning
since it'll proc way more often

maaan
it sucks that rider damage doesn't get modified by atk/spec dmg bonuses

[jovial flicker]

rider?

[white shoal]

stuff like zeus attack, or doom, or arti arrows

they're "riders" cuz they ride on top of whatever applies them

[jovial flicker]

okay

ive nevre heard that term before

[white shoal]

think it's more commonly used in the ttrpg space

[jovial flicker]

idk what that is lol

[white shoal]

table top role playing game

regardless
I'm doing an ares special run on base ages
and chaos is offering me:
halting strike
flayed flourish
and
pauper's assault

🙁

[rustic vale]

Did you pick up blinding flash as early as possible to help maximise your duo odds

[rustic vale]

Would be too powerful if they did

[silk sail]

does it increase duo odds?

[rustic vale]

they scale well enough off of global additive sources anyways

[silk sail]

i did pick it up at some point but not immediately

[white shoal]

does chaos have global dmg bonuses?

[silk sail]

cause brilliant reposte does more for me when i have the dash and an epic special

[white shoal]

lame T_T

[rustic vale]

Status curse boons (specifically the ones that add a new status curse to gods that don’t already have them) have a 50% chance to take a priority slot away

so it does reduce your duo odds when you don’t have it

just like how keeping your cores open reduces your duo odds

[silk sail]

wait nvm i had it the other way around

i did get blinding flash early

brilliant reposte is the other one

i always confuse them

blinding flash was actually the better one for me

i got dash in chamber 1, then special, then blinding, then the 5% damage reduction, then reposte, then revenge i think

still no duo

or maybe not revenge i dont remember

[rustic vale]

💔

[shell wigeon]

Okay so I brought Persephone home and did the feast thing. I keep doing runs and basically nothing happens. Did I mess something up? I mean I did the thing with Achilles pact, rimanced than and Meg. Is that it?

[rustic vale]

you have finished the main story at this point

[shell wigeon]

Damnit

[rustic vale]

Zag’s official job atp is being like a security stress tester

[shell wigeon]

Yeah

Hm

[urban zenith]

It is not end of the game

[shell wigeon]

So is there nothing I can do except get hades 2

Oh

[rustic vale]

Wdym?

[shell wigeon]

Well there’s like no plot stuff happening

[rustic vale]

Main story over but you still have relationship stuff you can do with each character if you want to

[urban zenith]

There are stories of Orfeo Sysiphis and Achilles

[rustic vale]

or you can go hard into conpletionism

[shell wigeon]

I did the latter two

[urban zenith]

And also a lot of relationship with Hades

[shell wigeon]

Who is orfeo

[rustic vale]

Oprheus

[urban zenith]

Musicia

[shell wigeon]

Ohhhh

[urban zenith]

Musician

[shell wigeon]

Duh lol

My b

[urban zenith]

I really enjoy lore after credits

Relationship with thanos, romantic options

[shell wigeon]

I was hoping zag would at some point get to go to Olympus

[rustic vale]

I really enjoyed speedrunning and doing high heat afterwards

[urban zenith]

And you know, pomegranate thing

[urban zenith]

🤌

https://tenor.com/view/both-huh-what-confused-both-is-good-gif-8010677

[shell wigeon]

Does this happen ever?

[rustic vale]

Nope

The curse of the styx prevents him from making it that far

[urban zenith]

There are bunch of not nice gods

[rustic vale]

Not to mention he wouldn’t even know where to go

[shell wigeon]

Nooooo

Alright time to save up for hades 2 and do a bunch of romancing

[urban zenith]

And the arc of zag is to accept where he has home

[urban zenith]

😏

[shell wigeon]

Oh also

Why is there no Hera

[white shoal]

or hestia
only see her mentioned in one of the weapon alts

[shell wigeon]

Yea

[rustic vale]

The super giant games team figured they could make a better story by just focusing on the god’s they had decided on already and couldn’t really figure out a good way to bring them in

That’s the story regarding Apollo and other greek mythos figures not pictured iirc

[shell wigeon]

Ouuuu

So do they pop up in hades 2

[rustic vale]

I think Hera does idk bout Hestia

I kind of got back into speedrunning around when Hades 2 dropped and never ended up picking it up

[shell wigeon]

Ouuuuu

[white shoal]

oh that's so dumb!!!
I got cheated out of a win

popped my call, thinking it was maxed out, to give me 7ish secs of invulnerability, but only got 1.2 instead

had like a sliver of the gauge unfilled

[shell wigeon]

That’s so sad omg

[white shoal]

was gonna ride poseidon's wave to victory, right thru the death lazors

but noooooo

[frozen lion]

The god gauge starts burning when at max

[white shoal]

yeah but like
it looked like it was burning
and there was a lot of noisy vfx on the screen at the time, and I was in a bit of a panic situation

fresh run with base aegis
would you take maimed strike or abyssal soul?

[frozen lion]

Either one sounds good

I'd personally take strike, but it would be hard

[white shoal]

+33% atk or +40 hp, basically

[rustic vale]

personally I’d take the strike if I could remember which curse maimed is

[white shoal]

can't attack

[frozen lion]

If you're in tarty bois and not on tight deadline, it's doable

But a little difficult

[white shoal]

yeah
no flame

[rustic vale]

Very doable

[white shoal]

literally got a gate at the start of the run

[frozen lion]

If this was Elysium, yeah probably not
Tartarus, should be ok

[white shoal]

ew, gross
1 exit, pom, with only divine dash to pick from T_T

what a waste

[rustic vale]

This is what you get for starting with divine dash ngl

[white shoal]

le sigh
I don't want an epic lightning strike T_T

[old bluff]

Heyyyyyyyyy

wrong channel :)

pls delete

[frank wren]

channel desc says all spoilers welcome, i dont see whats wrong with this

[mint coral]

hades 1 channel

[frank wren]

im blind i see

[white shoal]

bruh
aspect of zeus has almost no hammer synergies
that's down right criminal

[jovial flicker]

explosive return is the best hammer on it by far

followed by charge shot

[white shoal]

I'm sad you can't charge the special T_T

should I pom support fire to go from 10 to 12 dmg?
or crits from 7% to 8%?

[rotund tangle]

Crits not close

[white shoal]

crits it is XD

[rustic vale]

This is zeus still? Presumably with zeus special? crits

[white shoal]

kinda wish zeus had a special hammer that made it chase enemies

[jovial sorrel]

aspect of lucifer is so fun ogn

[white shoal]

easiest win yet XD
#h1-victory-boasting message

doom go brrrrrrrrr

casual 1k crits XD

[feral belfry]

You ever actually forfeit a run instead of quitting to reload on accident during a fully put together build on accident? Yeah me either

[frozen lion]

Yeah it happened to me once on 65 heat while I was pause buffering for Cerberus during the Redacted fight

[lavish sorrel]

So true

[feral belfry]

lol

well

It wasn't that bad for me damn

wait I thought 64 was max heat?

[lavish sorrel]

Congrats you've figured out that the message is a joke

[feral belfry]

I did it

Now I'm back alone at quitting my run on accident

[rustic vale]

I have but not that often

I’m far more likely intentionally give-up to seed my runs than I am to accidentally hit give-up while rng manipping

[feral belfry]

Once is enough

[craggy remnant]

I dream … i dream … I DREAM of The art of Hades artbook!!!!!!

[craggy remnant]

Fascinating https://youtu.be/m5KJSAj4afg?si=XR7YloKLcBSi_JYI

[white shoal]

fresh base malphon run with a hammer at the start

do I take long knuckle or kinetic launcher?

[vast raven]

long knuckle everyday

the extra range feels really nice

[white shoal]

ic ic

tried googling
but can't find any hard values on the range extension

demeter special or attack?

thinkin it may be cool to lean into the frost stacking aspects of demeter
but flat dmg seems to be better on malphon

[rustic vale]

650 units of length after long knuckle is taken

snow burst has a radius of 600 for reference

[white shoal]

ic ic

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1404271453838376971/High_Voltage.mov?ex=698c8074&is=698b2ef4&hm=bd23297d113a5a776ea560f4f4ef8c838ef8bbd8f83c39cb3dca288cf365c451&

a bit farther than the radius here

[white shoal]

ic ic
neat

[rustic vale]

which is just hyper pommed out high voltage for a meme run

It’s +198% so the lightning bolt radius goes from 200 -> 596

[rustic vale]

This source

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

Gives a lot extra information on boons and hammers not contained in game

[white shoal]

ic

shame that's not all on the wiki

(also a shame the only wiki is the crappy fandom one)

[rustic vale]

Whoever made and maintains the wiki is like

wholly removed from the discord community afaik

[white shoal]

sadness

[cinder raft]

Does vengeful mood proc every effect or a random one every three seconds? Trying to work out if demeters is one to avoid

[rustic vale]

Every one of them

[cinder raft]

Ooooh love it, was bored of doing doom on gilga so tried a revenge run and it was pretty nice

[white shoal]

alright! let's gooo!
8th win
and now I've beaten hades with all weapons on 0 flame

didn't even pop my stubborn defiance nor need stubborn roots this run!

[jovial flicker]

time to turn up the heat

[white shoal]

okay so
fists + cold splosion is kinda fun, if a bit reckless XD

[white shoal]

bruuuuh
I just took the rarity gamba
and apparently basic strong drink and rare strong drink are identical T_T

[rustic vale]

It just boosts the amount you’ll get from future fountains by 1%

[white shoal]

you sure?
cuz it was 3% at base
and still 3% at rare

[rustic vale]

Future fountains should give 4%

that 3% is your current amount

[white shoal]

interesting

[rustic vale]

rarity gambling though

just take refreshing nectar

Rarity boost when you have very few boons that all benefit greatly from a rarity boost or if you want to rng manip it

[white shoal]

aspect of chiron
do I take +4 arrows
or
pierce and +400% armor damage?

I have arti special

[vast raven]

relentless volley

[white shoal]

k

[formal wyvern]

ok but when I go to Eury my dopamine levels get very high from seeing my purple Boon go to Red

same with that Demeter boon

[weak plank]

i cant wait for this game to go on sale im missing like 2 euros to buy it

[iron rune]

I think it would’ve been funny if post game at a certain heat, ||Demeter appears as the final boss instead of/alongside Hades.||

And maybe she could appear in the House of Hades on occasion

[craggy remnant]

Is it possible to see all the art from Jen Zee somewhere, specifically Hades 1 and 2, since there is no artbook ( it’s a crime …. )

Kinda want to collect everything i can for an art video

There are like 5 posts on her Instagram with awesome Bastion and Hades sketches, thats all, then just official art ofcourse

Since I can’t post images here, its hard to explain what i mean

[civic dove]

Hi I tried a nexus mod Hades coop but It didn't work, if anyone of you tried it please help @everyone

[lavish sorrel]

first of all, please move to modding server for that (in #self-promotion pins)
second of all, no point mass-pinging. you don't even have the server permissions for it.

[rugged granite]

I'm about to face extreme measures 4 hades for the fist time, anything to say before I'm dead?

[vast raven]

have fun!

[rugged granite]

oh I uh... beat him?

I expected much more hp

[white shoal]

ngl
I'm kinda sad the bow doesn't have a hammer effect that triples the distance it's special flies and allows it to ricochet of walls

wow, that's so sad
first boon is aprhodite
and my options are:
heart break strike
heart break flourish (epic)
and passion dash

weapon is chiron aspect bow

[lavish sorrel]

aspect of Rama

(half of it)

[white shoal]

wat dat

(also, what boon should I pick?)

[vast raven]

the hidden aspect, its really good

[rustic vale]

Aphro strike of those pairs really well with dionysus or artemis special

[vast raven]

aph flourish and simply get concentrated 🔥

[white shoal]

I suppose
just sucks it wasn't the epic option

kek
don't tempt me XD
+154% on 10 dmg is so sad XD

then again
it is 8 arrows...
so that's technically 154% on 80 dmg...

200 dmg from a special ain't terrible I spose...
only problem there is, it just... kinda caps out
and you can't scale it much further than that...

[vast raven]

ye your only scaling option is concentrated volley for more base power per consecutive arrow

that hits the same enemy

[white shoal]

can also get +4 arrows, too

[vast raven]

true

[white shoal]

maaaan, could you imagine getting both of those tho

dare I live the dream?

[vast raven]

not as substantial as conc but ye

[rustic vale]

Those two combined bring your base damage up to 394

Iirc

[white shoal]

10 + 3^12

no

that's wrong

10 + 3x12

for the final shot

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/989610739721441330/chiron_bow_spread_sheet.png?ex=698e27d2&is=698cd652&hm=2af3bfe0193f0b9ebb78acecd2da7db0375d0734c074272bf310dd8836812c38&

[white shoal]

er, arrow

[rustic vale]

318

[white shoal]

yeah, geez those pair so well together XD

then times 153%

er 253%

[rustic vale]

You just have to deal with super bad consistency and the super long chiron special animation

[white shoal]

that's +487 dmg

for a total of 805 iirc

[rustic vale]

Artemis tends to scale way higher

[white shoal]

yeah

ofc
crits are crazy XD

knowing my luck tho

[rustic vale]

the many hits means the crit chance is close to just a strict multiplier and then you scale way harder with extra additive

[white shoal]

regardless of which one I pick
I'm gonna get atk based hammers

so what shall it be?
gimp my atk based builds by picking heartbreak strike with it's pidly +50% bonuse?
or
'settle' on heartbreak flourish, for a mediocre special, hope for a stronger attack, and cri when hammers don't work out anyway

or
3rd option
take passion dash for the prophecy

[rustic vale]

I’d just go for heartbreak strike since you have decent odds of finding either dio or arte for a flourish in tartarus

and can force whichever later

[white shoal]

ic ic

[rustic vale]

I’m also just biased towards using bow strike where it’d probably be better off as well if you don’t find good hammers

[white shoal]

here I come, chaos

flayed shot
roiling fervor
and halting grasp

fervor, I guess

[vast raven]

taking roiling is considered bad btw, just bc it makes rooms longer and such

[white shoal]

it's the start of the run
on only 1 heat

nbd

how good is lightning flourish on chiron?

is it true there are issues with it not proc'ing properly if too many hits happen too quickly?

ah, yeah
wiki says internal cd of .2s T_T

[vast raven]

it only triggers like

2-3 times

[white shoal]

so very very bad for chiron T_T

[vast raven]

bc of zeus icd

kinda bad ya

[white shoal]

bruh, I hate icd's

like, was that even necessary for this game? like, chiron is prob the "worst offender" of hits per second, but even then, it's not terrible

[rustic vale]

Internal cooldown of 0.2s means you usually get like 1-2 lightning bolt hits

[vast raven]

iirc its the only aspect besides rama that is negatively affected by the zeus icd all others just barely pass it or its just not noticeable and at least with rama its more manageable

[rustic vale]

demeter

Those 3 and that’s about it

Chaos as well I guess

[white shoal]

which makes me ask again: why even have an icd then?

[rustic vale]

Mainly because it would remove literally any other build for chiron

[white shoal]

they could custom tune the flat damage values

to be less for those weapons

[rustic vale]

…

that goes against the whole design

[white shoal]

thought each weapon had custom values already tho?

[vast raven]

for chiron didnt it get nerfed post 1.0 launch bc it was considered too strong?

[rustic vale]

They have their own base damage values. The boons never change their effects

ever

across weapons

[white shoal]

huh

thought for certain they had different values for different weapons

[vast raven]

%’s are variable

they have a range they can be

[white shoal]

oic

[vast raven]

that just changes between pick ups

[rustic vale]

1.3-1.5x base for rare, 1.8-2.0 for epic, 2.3-2.5 for heroic for the basic strike and specials

chaos boons are also variable, even the common versions

[white shoal]

I hate this run already

[rustic vale]

and then some secondaries like jolted have variable rarity scaling

[white shoal]

multiple rooms in
only 2 multipath options
chose coin instead of ares, was forced into zeus
and now I'm forced into a pom with only 2 crappy boons that won't benefit much from it

[rustic vale]

You could give-up the run and take it for a spin with the epic aphro special if you want

since you’d be using the same seed

[white shoal]

ic ic

[rustic vale]

Then just break some extra pots early to throw it on a different trajectory

[white shoal]

wat
pots change rng???

[rustic vale]

yeah every time a pot is broken, a cast hits the ground, a summon is called or the rail is reloaded

[white shoal]

that's so weird

[rustic vale]

the seed shifts by 1 rng value

but giving up puts you back before you entered the run

[white shoal]

huh

thought giving up would generate a new seed

[rustic vale]

No

It puts you back before you entered the courtyard to be specific

[white shoal]

ic ic

[rustic vale]

so anything you did in the courtyard before you entered the run is reverted

[mint coral]

It had 1 less arrow but 15 base dmg before iirc?

(overall bow special change iirc)

[rustic vale]

I just decided to take a look at the math for this for funsies and

this is only a nerf if you don’t have concentrated volley

Otherwise it’s like maybe 2-3% difference in damage

[white shoal]

twin shot
perfect shot
triple shot

[rustic vale]

twin

[white shoal]

gotta love having called it XD

[rustic vale]

Tbf

Chiron can only roll 3 special hammers out of 11 hammers it can roll

[white shoal]

y tho?
perfect shot is better

[rustic vale]

Base damage doubling is more beneficial

Perfect shot is equal to twin shot here if you only have aphro strike and nothing else, and perfect shot every single shot

assuming you have aphro strike for +50% still

anyways

as soon as you cross having 50% strike additive twin shot outscales perfect shot

which you should from family favourites and fiery presence etc

[white shoal]

I hate the scaling modifier system in hades ngl
what with only some things being multiplicative and somethings aren't
and it does a terrible job telling which is which

[rustic vale]

easy

like

damage +%? Additive

[white shoal]

hazard bomb

[rustic vale]

crit +%? Additive with other crit +%

that’s a base damage increase

Not additive

[mint coral]

The description of hazard is different right

[rustic vale]

Iirc the hazard bomb description says base damage

I think there’s one hammer that does forget to say base damage but

[white shoal]

ew
thunder flourish
lightning dash
heaven's vengence

[rustic vale]

I don’t think it’s hazard bomb? I’m having a hard time remembering

[mint coral]

Yeah it does

[rustic vale]

out of all the hammers that boost base damage, I’m pretty sure 1 of them forgets to mention it and the rest are fine

but

I’m really blanking on which one forgets to mention it

Maybe I’m crazy and they all say base damage

[mint coral]

Charged skewer/volley/flighr
Hazard bomb

[rustic vale]

Multiplicative:
Trap damage boosts, damage reduction, movespeed

[mint coral]

That's all right

[rustic vale]

chain shot and chain skewer

[mint coral]

How the hell did you remember skewer

[rustic vale]

is there a fists upper hammer that makes it charge up but isn’t kinetic launcher?

[mint coral]

Flying cutter

[vast raven]

remembers skewer but not hazard

[rustic vale]

They call me John Hades

[rustic vale]

Ngl

Outside of actually talking to people about Hades

I probably think about chain skewer more than I do about hazard bomb

[vast raven]

“men think of only one thing and its chain skewer”

[lavish sorrel]

my question is "why?"

[white shoal]

explosive shot
piercing volley
point-blank shot

have not seen hide nor tail of arti or dio

[vast raven]

explosive

[white shoal]

that's what I went with

just for prophecy sake

finally
deadly flourish

[rustic vale]

Chain shot is more of a potential man kind of hammer

Hazard bombs value is understandable there isn’t much to think about

[lavish sorrel]

Chain shot? Yes, certainly. Chain Skewer though, definitely not. Even locks you out of elauncher+cskewer

Besides, ain't no way you're getting value out of chain skewer that just not using your spear-special at all wouldn't give you. The best case I can see for it is hitless (against crowds, with a doom or zeus special for instance) and even there it's arguably jank since you are still forced to recall the special, which locks you in place briefly

[rustic vale]

I’m thinking like you roll huge spin/ quick spin chain skewer on zag spear

so you take chain skewer

and you have flat damage on it so it’s actually usable

[rustic vale]

Chain shot isn’t even a potential man hammer because there are real cases where you would pick it up

[white shoal]

huh
weird

life affirmation doesn't affect the max hp rewards from thanatos

[echo chasm]

please we need hades 1 version for the switch 2

[craggy remnant]

How do I post a picture

[rotund tangle]

Can send one to yourself on discord and post it as a link

[craggy remnant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/s/PPxLTLcFWz perhaps like this

Walked for 10 min for this photo 🤣

[urban zenith]

Second end and yet four relationships to max im soo in love woth this chibi faces and description of bonds, but... its strange to play after grande finale

But... I got autograph for Hypnos, so proud for myself

[wanton zealot]

Yet another 2 games getting Nintendo Switch 2 patches before Hades 1.
Subnautica and Subnautica Below Zero.

The only ones I shame more than Supergiant for not getting a Switch 2 patch out for their ip’s on Switch are Blizzard and Activision.

[white shoal]

so
why aren't we allowed to reroll hammer options?

[vast raven]

bc it'd be way to op ngl

[white shoal]

could make it cost more tokens to reroll than usual, then 🙁

hmm
for aspect of nemesis with arti attack, would ya'll rather take thunder flourish, lightning shot, or zeus's aid?

[latent moon]

Aid

Zeus call very strong

[white shoal]

really?
it never hits anything when I try using it

[latent moon]

Get closer lmao

[white shoal]

T_T

too risky

[latent moon]

You're using sword it should get a lot of value easily

[white shoal]

kek

[latent moon]

Bestie you are melee how much less safe do you want it to be

It's safe if they're dead

Most aspects in this game are more or less melee/mid range

despite many things being a ranged weapon like bow and rail lmao

[lavish sorrel]

everything is melee is you squint (just slightly)

[white shoal]

I typically play more of a hit and run strat with sword

thinks with super armor are scary with melee

cuz you can't stun lock 'em

[latent moon]

Most things don't have armor tho so most of the time it shouldn't be too big of an issue

Special -> dash strikes -> repeat should help a lot with your damage rotation

[white shoal]

anything with yellow shields have super armor
and bosses innately have super armor

[latent moon]

Yeah and most things don't have that

Also dashes have iframes

So you can iframe their attack while you're in their face

Or empty dash out instead of dash striking

[white shoal]

yeah
that didn't stop me from eating like 100 dmg from tissiphone's bullets

[latent moon]

Happens lmao

[white shoal]

dio or demeter?

maybe go demeter and hope for athena to secure stubborn roots?

[latent moon]

Both are eh

Stubborn roots is kinda just mid

With Zeus call you don't really want anything from Dio other than unpommables basically

Demeter doesn't have much to offer either other than unpommables as well

[white shoal]

T_T

well
demeter special is nice for applying chill in a large area I spose

[latent moon]

Oh yeah her special is decent

Idk why I assumed you had full core boons already lmao

Dem would've been best choice for that yeah

[white shoal]

lul nop XD
just 2 core boons

[latent moon]

Artemis or Aphrodite would've been ideal but Dem is decent

[white shoal]

already have arti atk

[latent moon]

Aphrodite or Athena would've been ideal then

But doesn't matter too much ultimately

[white shoal]

yeah
aphrodite special would've been great

[magic iris]

Fastest run now a 23:10.09, a demeter twin fists run

[white shoal]

nice

hype!
another win 😄
Ooo, and a new record, too: 34:22.89 😄

[rustic vale]

I feel like I’d really lean towards dio here for his secondaries

[white shoal]

cursed blade + flurry slash goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[rustic vale]

flursed sword

[white shoal]

(also, zeus call spam also goes brrrr)

think I used a fully charged zeus call like 4-6 times this fight

[rustic vale]

oh man