h1-discussion

[torn basalt]

you play as hades

[rustic vale]

and do what as Hades?

[torn basalt]

kill people I guess

[round mural]

A father shouldnt beat his son

[rustic vale]

So you bought game with no clue what genre it even was or anything about it

[torn basalt]

no

[round mural]

Hades is much shorter and to the point than having zagreus as the name

[amber crest]

Plus, more people know the name “Hades” than “Zagreus”

[rustic vale]

Hades lets you know it’s about tbe greek mythos and underworld nobody knows Zagreus

He’s obscure as hell that’s why he was taken to be the main character, thus his personality and story details could really be molded into whatever without anyone going “but but Zagreus is supposed to be hot headed as balls” or something

[rancid ember]

I mean I could give another answer for why it's just as fitting but it would be spoilers (though if you don't want spoilers you should probably be in #h1-for-new-players and keep this channel muted)

(spoilers) ||It's because instead of being named after the protagonist, it's named after the "villain"/final boss||

[amber crest]

It’s also named after the name of the place

But yes let’s be spoiler free about this, go to #h1-for-new-players

[cedar nymph]

Hopefully we can get a prequel where we do play as him

[round mural]

Killed final boss for the 6th time

[placid haven]

Hello

[round mural]

Hi

Honestly i think the 2 good builds with the bow is either attack but it's the rapid one or special

[pulsar laurel]

Rapid one is actually bad on its own

Its carried hard by aspects or boons, rly good utility tho

[rustic vale]

wdym

flurry shot is still a hammer that pops off

As a first hammer

[rustic vale]

This is a little crazy to say since like

Non-flurry dashstriking is going to output so much more damage than the special

[pulsar laurel]

Flurry shot is the extra hits no

[rustic vale]

flurry shot makes your bow strike full auto instead of charge up

[round mural]

Idk i did a run with it made the final boss much easier

[rustic vale]

Flurry shot is a good hammer but bow dash-strikes are really good even without

it just takes more practice to use

[pulsar laurel]

Dash strikes are also fun

That 10 damage reduction isnt much when you can land 3 hits to the usual 2

[rustic vale]

that math isn’t mathing btw

Regular bow strikes charge from 20-> 60
Dash strikes go 20-> 40

It’s a 2/3’s base damage reduction for a 3/2’s faster charge so your base damage output is the same but you’re safer, more mobile, and you can benefit from dashstrike buffs

[round mural]

I agree that bow dash strikes are good most people use that when doing a bow build i doubt someone would do a bow run without dashing then attacking

I also like applying athena's special deals more damage and can reflect on the bow. I experimented it on the furies

[rustic vale]

as a bow main I can probably count the amount of times I’ve hit the special button in the last 400 hours of gameplay on one hand

on non-rama bows

[round mural]

Im a bow main too i used to mainly use the shield but i found it boring and doesnt deal that much damage

[rustic vale]

Shield does a good amount of damage

if built properly I mean charged shot is right there

[round mural]

Is that the one that replaces bull rush?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

It does 80 base damage regardless of how charged it is, charges faster and it pierces shields

[rustic vale]

I mean you can do pure standing strikes it’s just

a good margin harder

[round mural]

More damage but no blocking

[rustic vale]

This just ain’t true

Charged shot does not remove the block function of the shield

it is completely and 100% still intact

[amber crest]

Charged shot is great.
But I like pulverising blow +zagreus shield

Legitimately the only shield build I don’t hate, apart from charged shot zag shield with Athena actually (safest effing build I’ve ever ran)

[lunar plume]

So the special really is as bad as it always looked for me ^^ "bullet hell" (like with the 4 witches) is probably the only time I sometimes use it

[round mural]

For real?

Nice i think i didnt realize

[tough bramble]

Are there any benefits to opening the portal for nyx before having all mirror talents fully upgraded?

[mighty terrace]

Wait u have to open it after maxing out?

[tough bramble]

I have to pay a few k darkness

[mint coral]

Gameplay wise nah

It just finishes her story plot

[tough bramble]

I have the darkness but if it doesnt add anything storywise im investing in the mirror first

[tough bramble]

Would you agree?

[mint coral]

It'd allow you to start giving ambrosia to both her and chaos to finish up their relationships

If you still have some of the expensive stuff in the mirror left I'd do that first

Mostly fated persuasion

Cuz I don't remember how much it costs for the nyx thing

[tough bramble]

3k

Have fated maxed tho

[mint coral]

What else do you have on the mirror left

[tough bramble]

But no points in death defiance rn, and a bunch of other skills

[mint coral]

Ah

[tough bramble]

Basically i have one set fully maxed and the others nothing

[mint coral]

Wait are you running stubborn defiance instead or just yolo'ing it with no revives

[tough bramble]

Stubborn yes

Was doing 32 heat earlier

[mint coral]

Aight, I mean if you don't mind keeping stubborn some more till you get the darkness for defiances you can finish up nyx rn

Or reset your mirror afterwards and get 2 death defiances instead

[tough bramble]

Yeah can always spend a key

Although just having everything max is a nice thing to have in the long run

[mint coral]

Eh, there's a lot of skills you don't really need

[tough bramble]

I tend to swap between shadow and fiery

And death defiance and stubborn

[mint coral]

You can always cross refer to the text guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players to see "optimal" mirror

[tough bramble]

Priviledged and family

[mint coral]

Can always use keys too so.

[round mural]

In the name of hades

[glacial owl]

Hi guys im trying to max out the game on steam. Do you know what to do to make a bond with aphrodite? Do i need to romance all 3 characters for that?

I mean dusa, tan and meg

[mint coral]

Correct

To be specific you need their bonds iirc? Aka gift them every nectar/ambrosia possible

And dusa herself needs an extra conversation after max ambrosia for her bond

[glacial owl]

Oh alr thanks!

But now i am at the moment when she kinda lost her job? I suppose it's not permanent right?

[mint coral]

Oh yeah that's an unrelated event

Just give it a few runs

[glacial owl]

Alright thanks for help

[lunar plume]

I think I just found the shotgun in the game ^^ Unfortunately it give me bad luck I guess. First time since long that I didn't made it to Hades

[mint coral]

Spread fire gaming?

[lunar plume]

If thats the short range and less ammu thing, yes

[round mural]

Keep gifting her everytime

Im tryna max out bond with meg

[wispy falcon]

man the bow just feels so awkward

sword, spear, shield and fists i'm perfectly fine and comfortable with but the bow just feels terrible in comparison 😭

[rustic vale]

Standing striking really kills bow

Dash striking makes it sooo much better

[wispy falcon]

I’ve grown a little more accustomed to it and yeah, dash striking is basically the only way to go

Managed to kind of just throw together a special attack focus build so far in Elysium, but I have a lecture so had to pause it

[rustic vale]

Lowkey like as a bow main I can count the # of times I’ve used the base bow special in my last 300 hours of gameplay on one hand

[wispy falcon]

I think I picked up the hammer that gave it to +4 in the volley and then the +400% damage to armour

[rustic vale]

Relentless and then piercing yeah

[wispy falcon]

tbh if i were to main anything it’d be sword or the fists for me

Nemesis Aspect feels amazing with Aphrodite + Artemis boons

[rustic vale]

I “main” bow as in it’s the weapon I use more often than the rest

but like

I play them all pretty equally

[wispy falcon]

I try to play them equally, to at least get relatively familiar

[rustic vale]

I try to keep like a solid baseline of skill on every aspect

[wispy falcon]

The only aspect I’ve unlocked so far is nemesis, haven’t really tried any aspects on other weapons

[rustic vale]

My goal over the summer was to bring my time with every aspect down to sub10 and uhhh

I got 23/24 and I kind of just moved on after throwing myself at the hidden spear for a while

[wispy falcon]

I haven’t even unlocked any of the hidden ones yet :/

I got my first clear with fists yesterday, then also managed to get a Heat 1 Sword clear later and that’s about it

[rustic vale]

You need to get the hidden spear first before you can unlock the rest and you’ll need to have 5 aspects before you can get that

[rustic vale]

sweeettt

[rustic vale]

This is pretty much the meta strike/special cores for nem

[wispy falcon]

I thought so, cause it was shredding everything

[rustic vale]

Funny enough though you don’t start with either goddess for the speedrun build

You take pos for tidal dash

[wispy falcon]

I kinda don’t like taking Poseidon in my normal runs cause the knock back annoys me 😭

[rustic vale]

pos strike and pos special are abysmal

no weapon uses them except the rails for a meme build called super soaker

[wispy falcon]

Lmao

I actually haven’t even touched the rail yet

[rustic vale]

it’s really fun

[wispy falcon]

my right stick is kinda busted and the manual reload just threw me off too hard in the moment

haven’t touched it since unlocking it

[rustic vale]

Most people remap the reload

I don’t know what to because I’ve been content with it on stick but I wanna say 60% of controller players remap?

[wispy falcon]

I’d need to give it a go first, I bet RS is perfectly fine just takes getting used to

Unless I forget I’ll give rail a go after this bow run

[rustic vale]

a nice flat damage soup build on the rails is just so satisfying

Actually I recently beat my speed pb (zag bow) by 3 seconds with zag rail of all aspects

spreadfire zag rail my beloved

[mint coral]

Most people swap codex (L1) and reload in my experience

[rustic vale]

but that makes codex tech so much more awkward

[mint coral]

I'm gonna send you to tartarus irl if you codex tech

[rustic vale]

I figured out codex tech for thanatos before I learned what coded tech was

[mint coral]

Thanos

[rustic vale]

and as a biproduct of that from my high heat days its second nature

whenever than pops up

😔

[mint coral]

No excuses, off to tartarus with you

May you roll bouldy up forever

[wispy falcon]

What’s codex tech?

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/9dRXyeNKOgE don't

Basically you spam codex to move through a room while barely running in game timer

To a less aggressive level you can wait out for Than to drop his stupid hp if you don't have a menu to do it

Or wait out his stupid pathfinding

[lunar plume]

That looks really hellish, so Tartaros seems right for that

[rustic vale]

Honestly the more applicable part of codex tech is sparing you that 0.5s between the chamber ending and the chambers telling you what options they have

also lets you read the codex entry for antos

[rustic vale]

Using the codex is banned whatsoever for speedrunning because nobody wants to do allat

[wispy falcon]

Right, so kinda useless for most people

[rustic vale]

yeahhhh

[rustic vale]

At best it’ll save you seconds for tight deadline for regular people

I mean

Unless you’re using it aggressively

then it might save you a full minute

If you were using it casually it’d just be saving yourself like 5-15 seconds when than is being an idiot

[wispy falcon]

Fair enough

[wispy falcon]

made it to hades with the bow run

i just dont know the fight well enough, ffs

[rustic vale]

Niceee

[lunar plume]

woohoo, I catched my first legendary fish :D Knowing that he do not bop more than 3 times (which he did) probably helped a bit

[tough bramble]

I feel a bit overwhelmed by all the options on what to do next

[rustic vale]

where are you?

[polar aspen]

I'm sorry time moves in tartarus??

[rustic vale]

/ what’s doing the overwhelming

[rustic vale]

wdym by this

[polar aspen]

It was 7:38 and now it's 7:50

Sundial

[tough bramble]

Beating 32 heat with chiron was my main goal

But now i did achieve that

[polar aspen]

I'm almost finished keepsake grinding, and also filling out the mirror

[rustic vale]

It’s time to

speedrunn

or do higher heat

or just get your other aspects to that level

[rustic vale]

The sundial is always 7:48 no?

Maybe it was 7:38 and I’m misremembering

[polar aspen]

The first one I meant 7:48

But I just checked before this run and it was 7:50

[rustic vale]

but it’s never something that doesn’t end with 8

K

[tough bramble]

But the thing is, the completionist in me wants to finish story lines and for that i need diamonds etc

[rustic vale]

Then do that

[tough bramble]

And playing with bow (which i would want) doesnt award them 🙁

[rustic vale]

Like the game literally told you it was 7:50?

[tough bramble]

You get me?

[rustic vale]

The thing is, the lighting is always the same in the house of Hades and thus it is eternally 7:48 I’ve never seen a message indicating it’s 7:50 or heard anyone mentioning it in like

4 years

[rustic vale]

then go play the other weapons

they have their good points

[polar aspen]

The game is going to God damn gaslight me

[tough bramble]

Hits differently lol. I think you get my struggle?

Like i understand that is the logical thing

[rustic vale]

Like

You don’t like any other weapon

whatsoever

[polar aspen]

yeah like i said the game is going to gaslight me, but i clearly read the subtitle
"it appears to be 7:50."

[rustic vale]

oh lmao

yeah that’s the thing

“It appears” is roughly close to 7:48

That’s the idea

[polar aspen]

I mean sure but he's also said in the past "it appears to be 7:48"

[rustic vale]

It only confirm it to be 7:48 with one line Zag can say

the rest are the vaguer “it’s roughly a quarter to eight” or something

I haven’t actually interacted with it in ages but that’s how I remember the dialogue lines being comprised of

And while it’s totally possible that time never changes in the underworld, the other thing is the lighting in the house of Hades never changes

[polar aspen]

Mind you the lighting in the whole of the underworld never changes LOL

I kind of wish elysium at least had some different hues

Since it's supposed to be the most reflective of the surface that The mortals ones came from

Also is there ever going to be an explanation for what happened to the Asphodel Meadows

[vast raven]

theres a sundial? TIL

[polar aspen]

"How could you, boy? That Hydra had a family!"
....LERNIE HAS A FAMILY!?!?

Or is it just his other heads

[rustic vale]

Immediately prior to the events of the game, the river pthylegelon (iirc) overflowed into the asphodel fields

[polar aspen]

Ahh okay

[amber crest]

Correct river, wrong spelling
It’s Phlegethon

[polar aspen]

The only mention from what I know was Persephone talking about it to hades

[amber crest]

Zag mentions it early into the game too

But it’s a passing comment

So I’m not surprised you missed it

[polar aspen]

I mean yeah I meant about the flooding itself

"Wasn't this place once lush and green?"

[tough bramble]

Not yet!

Havent done a run with fists or shield

[round mural]

I killed hades 6 times

[amber crest]

4 more to go!

[round mural]

Hell yeah

[amber crest]

Then you pass the tutorial!

[round mural]

Lmao

Some people are sleeping on the story it's really cool

[amber crest]

Are they? I see a lot of people enjoying the story. (Oh wait you said some)

[round mural]

I told my bro hades has a very good story then he was like no way

I think the story might be even better than most modern AAA titles

Except clair obscur

[vast raven]

not might, it just is (truth nuke)

[amber crest]

Boom

[vast raven]

also isnt clair obscure indie, so like doesnt count

[round mural]

Wait it is

Also if anyone here finished hades 2 can you share your opinion which hades has a better story without spoiling

[lavish sorrel]

The two resonate better than the other with different people. Hades 2 takes itself more seriously than first game, and this is also strongly noticeable in its story. I personally (subjective question, as stated previously) prefer the first game's omnipresent sarcastic dialogue-style more as a whole, though I have barely touched game2's 1.0 update.

Does that answer it?

[round mural]

I think what made hades 1's dialogue sarcastic is zagreus

[lavish sorrel]

You're definitely right, a story's tone usually mirrors that of the respective main characters, regardless of medium of expression.

[round mural]

Hades is a masterpiece of a game the fact that i realized i have to beat the hades guy 10 times to finish it proves it

I wanna try maxing out my bond with thanatos hes probably strong

[polar aspen]

Say when you complete a run it says victory! disciple of X god" does that mean I have most boons of that god

[lavish sorrel]

most boons + a legendary of a given god

[polar aspen]

Ah okay

Thanatos : "They see it as their one and only chance. Imagine if, after you perished, that was it. Back to the infinite Chaos. Everything about you. Returned to how it was before you were even there."

Zagreus: "But that's absurd. One life? Though ... eugh. That's horrible, even to think about."

Thanatos : "I know, right? Some of them know that isn't how it is, and try to tell their kind about what it is we do here, but ... it's slow going, getting the information out. Either way! I get to be the bearer of good news."

Zagreus: "Didn't know you saw it that way."```
I love Thanatos a lot

[round mural]

I like patroculus too even if hes some homeless dude

I gifted him once

[polar aspen]

Dude Patroclus is such a sweet man

[round mural]

Fr

[polar aspen]

And it makes me so happy to help him with with plight

[rustic vale]

“To finish it”

[amber crest]

To finish the tutorial, more like (At least imo)

[rustic vale]

Yeahhh

credits is like finishing the tutorial

[amber crest]

Do you not know who Patroclus is in greek myth?

[round mural]

i meant the story

there is probably post game and side content to do after that

[amber crest]

And more story, just not the main plot

[round mural]

oh so it's based on that

[amber crest]

(Well theres the epilogue too, so definitely more story)

[round mural]

how do i get the epilogue too

[amber crest]

Every major character in Hades is from greek myth

[amber crest]

Max relations with a bunch of olympians

[round mural]

oh

[round mural]

so it's like god of war

[amber crest]

In that sense, maybe. Haven't played the game.

[round mural]

every game is 1 mythology

[amber crest]

Well, Hades is just greek myth, but yes sure

Like, Dusa, Than, The furies, all the olympians, lernie, charon, nyx, sysiphus, pattie, all of them are greek myth characters

[round mural]

So last thing hades' mother said is that she doesnt want him to come visit anymore

But he insists

[round mural]

Lernie is a cool name for the hydra

[amber crest]

Tis a wholesome nickname

One cannot say Lernaean Hydra every time, its too wordy!

[polar aspen]

"You don't mind if I call you Lernie from now on, right?"
"I'll take that as a 'No, not at all, thank you for asking, friend'."```

[agile tundra]

Lernie is a great friend to have

[polar aspen]

Just like bouldy

[agile tundra]

indeed

even tho lernie is a more violent friend to have, Bouldy is the kind of guy to just chill

[hearty dirge]

Question on forging a bond with Hypnos:
Is there any easy way to do it? Cuz.. this is taking a long while-

I keep resetting every chance I get, and idk if that is doing anything

[amber crest]

His favour is notoriously difficult, so good luck

Search up his favour, I don’t remember

[mint coral]

Bunch of dialogue between him and Than

[polar aspen]

"Asterius. Other guy."

[agile tundra]

im still tryna forge Chaos and Nyx's relationship its so difficult 💀

[hearty dirge]

wait.. i don't have to get a bond with every character to 100% the game, right?

just so i know, cuz i only have the last 'friends forever' achievement left

bonding with the characters isn't part of the achievement, correct?

[polar aspen]

Oh my goddssss

AGAIN

I GOT RAKED AGAIN

[rugged yacht]

thank god, finally beat minotaur and the other guy

[polar aspen]

Nice job

[rugged yacht]

just died mid way phase 2 of hades

tragic

[polar aspen]

Ah well played

What weapon were you using

[rugged yacht]

fists with talos aspect

[oblique ember]

managed to jump straight from 2 to 6 heat with fists and somehow did it way faster than any of my previous runs, at 31 minutes compared to a 42 minute average

think I might try 8 heat tomorrow since it's dark thirst again and see if I can do tight deadline with them

[oblique ember]

I'm nowhere near there, but no you just need to max out each keepsake (i.e. use them for 75 rooms)

[rugged yacht]

dude the interactions between zag and thesseus are real asf

[rancid ember]

There's also the side stories for different characters :D

Most of them are done as soon as you've gotten max hearts, requiring basically finishing their plotline to gain the option to max them out, but for the love interests there's a bit of extra stuff that goes beyond the max hearts mark (there's three love interests! And polyamory is allowed! Though one of them ||ends up being platonic, despite being very much coded as still meaningfully a love interest, which is actually sort of cool.|| Dating isn't technically required to finish their plots, though there are some events that only happen if you do.)

Otherwise that's basically it for the actual story unless you count the general notion of exhausting all dialogue options which might be tough even with a guide and take a very long time.

[hardy parcel]

wait was meg and zagreus a thing? Is that why meg retrieves her "last item" from his bedchambers

[worn ravine]

Yep. They talk about it more as you advance their relationship.

[hardy parcel]

bro needs to rizz

[burnt iron]

Please let Supergiant make a Hades-like game but with Egyptian Mythology instead

Mostly because I like it when the gods aren't the pettiest things to ever live? But I love playing Hades, it's just Greek Mythology I don't really enjoy all that much because everyone is so damn petty and murder children and have sex with anything with a pulse

[round mural]

I just realized hades 2 costs much cheaper here than in the US

It's $15

[round mural]

Massive game

[round mural]

What are you talking about

Hades doesnt involve anything about child abuse or sex

If u mean hades fighting zag

Zag is 22 so

[burnt iron]

Zeus

That's my argument

Zeus is a sex pest and I hate his guts

...mostly because I'm ace

[round mural]

What do you mean dude 😭

I havent seen him say anything that makes him a sex pest

[burnt iron]

Most stories in Greek Mythology are about how Zeus couldn't keep it in his pants.

I just am not the biggest fan of Greek Mythology.

But I love Egyptian Mythology.

[vast raven]

there are a lot of greek mythology related to zeus being abhorrent to his children and to others, but most of that isnt done in the hades games

[round mural]

Oh wait zeus fought kratos in gow 3

His son

[burnt iron]

I know, I know.

Just...

I want more representation of Egyptian Mythology, because I think Greek and Norse are used in EVERYTHING.

[round mural]

True ig

[burnt iron]

Give us Mesopotamian, give us Egyptian, give us a game based on terrifying German Folklore instead of Greek Mythology or Norse Mythology for the umptienth time.

[round mural]

Except for wukong

[burnt iron]

Japanese mythology I give the pass, Japanese mythology is cool.

[round mural]

Never seen japanese mythology b4

[polar citrus]

Tbf Egyptian mythology is too cool to put into games
They’d never live up to it 😆

[hardy parcel]

basically all the norse games involving aesir and such is just based off a fan-fiction by a christian dude who lived hundreds of years after the vikings

[lunar plume]

Finally have the option to give Dusa some ambrosia.. next time I see her. Dont know how they did it, but I really like that little gorgonhead

And I waited really long for that. She was actually the first with maximum nectar for me.

[noble shoal]

The first time I heard Orpheus sing I went to the music selection and accidentally overrode his song. Then when i turned it off there was no music at all :(

[round mural]

Killed hades for the 9th time

So excited to see what will happen on the 10th one

[noble shoal]

good luck!

[sharp badge]

Age of mythology is ok, you get to have a hero horus that slams people with the staff of anubis.

[vast raven]

this is for h1 stuff not h2 related things, best of luck to you nonetheless

[torpid sand]

oh

mb didnt saw it was h1 channel

[tepid plover]

stickybot my beloved, how i miss you

[rustic vale]

[void vigil]

I deleted the spoilers for now

[void vigil]

When the people needed it most, it disappeared…

To be fair people only listened to it like 30% of the time

[vast raven]

what was the exact reasoning for getting rid of stickybot?

[void vigil]

(Or took it personally…. I promise stickybot does not discriminate nor does it relent )

I do not know it probably stopped working

I can bring it up but now that the feedback channel is not on is it SUPER necessary?

(Probably yes)

[placid coral]

remind me, if i get an attack boosting chaos boon, and i already have a normal attack boon

are those bonuses additive or multiplicitive

or however you spell that

[gray apex]

Additive

[placid coral]

just exchanged shadow slash for the money attack and the uhhh

projectile thing

feeling just wonderful after that calculated decision

[rustic vale]

P much all damage in Hades is additive

and the damage calculation is like

(base damage * any base damage multipliers) * (100% + the sum of all relevant +% bonuses) * (300% + the sum of all relevant crit +% bonuses) + extra damage

Where extra damage is exclusively damage added from the Hoarding Slash sword hammer and Merciful End duo

[vast raven]

the world if hoarding slash added base damage at the start of the calculation (its still not worth)

[polar aspen]

Admittedly a little upset that dusa doesn't want to be in a relationship with zagreus..

[amber crest]

It’s her wish, and she still wants to be friends. I support her decision.

[polar aspen]

Oh I definitely support her decision, I just think that her and zagrus would have been an adorable couple

[amber crest]

Oh absolutely

That would be cute as f#%#

[polar aspen]

It doesn't help that I kind of wish you got the choice to bond with who you with because I would absolutely have chosen dusa

I appreciate that you don't have to do it with the other two though

I did rekindle a fire with our former flame, magaera

And I denying romantic relationship with Thanatos as I can't see him and zag as anything more than Brothers

[polar aspen]

Duly noted... Giving cerberus the bag closes the other passageways

By the Gods.. I wasn't expecting magaera to just drag me away like that~ lol

I just need four more bonds and two more keepsakes leveled

I hate the way it zagreus says scylla

[rustic vale]

when the hell does he say scylla

is this a one-off dialogue line

[polar aspen]

Scyllascion

Named after Scylla

[polar aspen]

'...There is a monstrous sea-creature that thrashes somewhere in Poseidon's waters far above; we were very careful to avoid sailing across her trenches even in my sailing days. This rare breed is reminiscent of her dozen heads. Whether or not these creatures are related to Scylla, or merely appear to be, is a matter that is still contested, as no one has yet bothered asking Scylla herself.'

• codex of the underworld

He pronounces it with a k

Skyllascion

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Makes sense

[polar aspen]

Unless it's actually pronounced with the equivalent of a hard c in ancient Greek, I'm pretty sure SC is supposed to just carry the soft S sound

[round mural]

I wish i can get something that refreshes my choices when i pick up something

That would be cool

Like i hate when im doing a special build then i get something that increases attack power

[polar aspen]

How much of the mirror do you have filled

[round mural]

all

[polar aspen]

So then what specifically do you mean by picking something up because you can use dice to reroll boons and you can use dice reroll the chamber rewards

[amber crest]

Then you should have access to one

Fated persuasion

[polar aspen]

Unless he means rerolling the item after the chamber is finished instead of before you enter the chamber

[round mural]

there is one i didnt max out

yes that one

[polar aspen]

Lol

There you go

[opaque marlin]

been trying to get the dusa bond for a while now and still havent gotten the interaction in the room

[polar aspen]

Trust me my guy I only just got it myself like about an hour ago

[opaque marlin]

gave her all the ambrosia, got fired and came back and been suicide running for a while now but still nothing

[opaque marlin]

how so

[amber crest]

A whole lotta luck

[opaque marlin]

😔

[polar aspen]

Yyyep

[crisp ingot]

Hello, i have a question, what are chance fo Hades1 to be playable on Nvidia GeForce Now, i will love to play it again but right now i cand play it just on this service. Thank you.

[vast raven]

it does appear to be on their supported games list

[round mural]

So i beat the 10th run and hades let me go and that run i had a terrible build

[nova pawn]

For some reason despite running into Thanatos once I don't think I've seen him again whatsoever in the last 10 runs I've done. He has not been in the house or in a run.

Also, yeh. That's what happens the 10th run.

[round mural]

Yeah i wasnt gonna do that much damage

[hearty dirge]

Just to be sure (I've seen conflicting answers).. Thanatos is entirely random, correct?

Like you can't really do anything to boost his spawn rate?

[rustic vale]

👍

[hearty dirge]

Alright, saves me time taking unnessesary damage lol

I heard that you can take damage room after room and that makes him spawn more, but.. it makes no sense to me

Thanks for confirming :3

[rustic vale]

Never heard this from any source, much less a reputable source, in 4 years

[polar aspen]

Zagreus death defying
Chaos death defying
Charon death defying
Athena death defying

I don't think they want me to die lol

[opaque marlin]

did this while doing the 16 skulls, genuine best feeling ive had

[round mural]

I liked the song in the credits

[opaque marlin]

the song was amazing

[burnt iron]

Am I a wuss for doing God Mode?

I just feel like kind of a wuss for doing God Mode

[vast raven]

its in the game to help players, dont feel like a wuss for using it

[burnt iron]

:>

[round mural]

Ur not really a wuss it's not the easy mode you think it is the game just gets easier the more you die

[rustic vale]

I mean you end up taking 1/5th the damage by the end of it

[round mural]

Yeah it's not the easy mode where the game gets easier immediately once u enable it

[past spruce]

So I never quite gravitated towards the Sword... until I got Aspect of Arthur just now

Big numbers make my brain happy

[amber crest]

Dopamineeee

[past spruce]

And I kinda love the Hallowed Ground too

[past spruce]

The last hit in the attack combo does 200 base damage...

Pair that with any decent damage boosts and we're laughing

[rustic vale]

If only you didn’t have to do the full standing strike combo to get the hit

[past spruce]

Tbh between Hallowed Ground and the extra health you get for free it kinda evens out

Just something to play around imo

I consider it worth it to get big number

[sly star]

You guys know the whole "what your main says about you" videos on youtube?

I wonder if someone did that what they'd come up with for the weapons in h1

[round mural]

Havent seen anyone do that

[autumn jewel]

what does hera main say about me

[rustic vale]

Speebrunner

[sly star]

You have unresolved issues with your mother

[rustic vale]

Your husband is unfaithful

[rose lodge]

just installed the game for the first time 10 mins ago

what am i in for

[rugged yacht]

lots of fun and also its pretty damn hard

[vast raven]

it spoils you

[sly star]

The gayest designs you've ever seen

And maybe so frustrating runs

[rugged yacht]

just got a heroic on like 6th encounter lets goo

[round mural]

What does bow main says about you

[rugged yacht]

probably can use it better than i can

[round mural]

Bro this whole time i thought the big boulder fella with green shirt wears glasses

[rugged yacht]

Sisyphus does kinda seem like he would

[round mural]

Yeah sisyphus

From far away it seems like hes wearing glasses but his eyes are just big

[rugged yacht]

run didnt go well other than that, got 2 mid duo boons and then died to minotaur and thesseus

[sly star]

Can't bring yourself to find courage to melee, or engage with the projectile mechanics of the game. So either cowardice or laziness

/j

[rustic vale]

This is just untrue

every good bow player knows bow is a melee weapon

[vast raven]

as a good bow player i agree

[lavish sorrel]

as a bad bow player I agree

[vast raven]

ur like, an intermediate

[autumn jewel]

as a hot garbage bow player I agree

[latent moon]

As a mediocre bow player I agree

[wispy falcon]

how does one go about unlocking the fourth aspect for each weapon?

is it story/questline based or more so unlocking everything else for the weapon?

[rustic vale]

Hidden spear first, then the other 5 are fair game

[wispy falcon]

oh right, i dont have that either

[rustic vale]

Exact method for each is pinned in #h1-story-discussion

3rd message pinned iirc

[hardy parcel]

only way to use it tbh

[harsh scroll]

Back to the game and retrying Achilles. Hope I'm still worthy

[nova pawn]

How do I force Thanatos to spawn? I have not seen him whatsoever in more than 10 runs and I am starting to wonder if I somehow glitched my game somehow since I have ONLY ever seen him that first time.

[rustic vale]

You can’t force him into a run

is this the same save file as the last time you saw him?

[nova pawn]

Yes

I've technically seen him on all 3 of my save files (this is just my latest one), but unlike the other two I have only ever encountered him once and have not had any opportunities to give him a nectar for his keepsake.

[round mural]

Honestly idk how hades didnt win goty in 2020

[vast raven]

it got a hugo so arguably more impressive

[round mural]

The only other game in 2020 was tlou2

And it's mid

[round mural]

Im almost max bond with meg

[nova pawn]

I've done a few more runs and I have still been completely unable to run into Thanatos. Is there some kind of criteria blocking him from showing up?

[rustic vale]

The only thing that prevents you from seeing than in a run is that you initially need to find him in elysium before he can appear anywhere else on a save file

that’s it.

[nova pawn]

I've done that, but I legit wonder if I somehow messed up a game flag or something because he has not shown up once since that first encounter in Elysium. I have cleared more than 15 runs and have done more than 30 runs total

[rustic vale]

It’s also entirely possible you’re on a gigabad luck streak

[nova pawn]

Please accept my nector, oh brooding one. Aside from McSpoiler Thanatos is the only keepsake I still need

Is it true you can make Thanatos more likely to spawn if you take damage multiple rooms in a row?

[rustic vale]

No

[rustic vale]

If it’s your third playthrough why do you even need than keepsake

wouldn’t you already have the achievement

I get completionism / OCD thou

[nova pawn]

I want it to complete the fated list. I also don't have the achievement yet for maxing all of the keepsakes.

Actually, I don't have the one for getting a certain stack on it either.

[nova pawn]

Oh dang, JUST got him again... and it took a good 15-16 runs at LEAST

[azure summit]

can theseus like, not exist please

every run I die to him and istg the 4th world boss is easier to fight.

istg this boss hits further than the range he's meant to have

[tepid plover]

Turn on extreme measures, makes the fight easier

[azure summit]

mmm flurry shot, sure, prevent me from my perfectly times dashes as you think holding the fire button for .1s more means I should take another shot and soak 70 damage or whatever those numbers were, 5 times in a row. Thanks.

[gray apex]

flurry gud

[amber crest]

Twin better

[vast raven]

triple gooder

[amber crest]

Twin easier

[azure summit]

yeah maybe if hermes actually cares about me

twin you just flat out double your damage.

flurry you gotta rely on hermes' attack speed and his gift isn't about hemes gifts

So why doesn't last stand add 1 to Stubborn Defiance when it mentions a "+1 replenish" and "Stubborn Defiance" when you have it on?

I legit I'd finally be able to do that hades fight but NOPE

no +1 to ym stubborn defiance

don't see why you can't have 2 respawns per room UNTIL that second respawn from this boon is used

like if the second half isn't meant to be for stubborn defiance then why doesn't it mention death defiance?

[hardy parcel]

debts?

[mint coral]

Cuz is a refill, not an extra defiance
If you took them with death defiances full you wouldn't get an extra one either

[vast raven]

you can, but you must have depleted stubborn defiance in that room

[mint coral]

And that yeah ^

[azure summit]

but.. what's the point if I just get that back the next chamber?

it's per chamber, right?

stubborn defiance.

[mint coral]

Those athena boons will give you a death defiance, then stubborn comes back next room

[mint coral]

If it makes more sense, doing this is like if you equipped skelly's tooth or took chaos's legendary

[pulsar rivet]

running arthur with double edge and poseidon dash (+razor shoals) should I exchange for heroic artemis dash? razor shoals would go to waste I guess. also, if it matters, I have athena attack with deadly reversal

[vast raven]

you have double edge, take that artemis dash dash strike damage through the roof

[pulsar rivet]

ok. I guess so. I was worried about losing poseidon dash for styx. plus, this is the third time I use arthur and haven't managed a clear on it yet, so still learning its moves

[fervent cobalt]

Hey all! Just started this game a few weeks ago, and it’s been a blast

[wispy falcon]

When can I start giving Ambrosia to NPCs? I've only been able to give out nectar so far, not sure what the condition for it is

[mighty hedge]

thankfully no, I just get a set amount of income per month

though it was last told to me that I'm running a deficit of 800 bucks

talked to those people again later, they now have no idea anymore

[hardy parcel]

social services?

[sharp badge]

It's for the latest gifts, you'll get there.

[wispy falcon]

alright thanks

I thoroughly dislike Temple of Styx

[fervent cobalt]

took a grand total of six damage on theseus this run, great job man

[fervent cobalt]

Yeah, very easy run, didn't even get close to dying at the end

[pulsar rivet]

does upgrading aspect of zagreus work for unlocking a weapon's hidden aspect? because I'm missing the one for fists, and I'm pretty sure I remember the minotaur making a comment about it

[mighty hedge]

more like my parents

talking to social services is like stepping on a minefield

one wrong word and you lose hundreds

and not even a word that'd be relevant to the conversation

it's the worst possible phone call a person on the spectrum can have

I hate what I was born with

[hardy parcel]

what country

[mighty hedge]

usa

[hardy parcel]

bron? Lebron James?

usa? 🇺🇸 tough luck tbh, if it was europe id have advice

sorry to hear that

[mighty hedge]

being born smart is a curse I wish I had never gotten

thats not even bragging, it's pain

[hardy parcel]

do you have any trustworthy friends whom you can place a secret stash ats?

to save money

[hardy parcel]

how is this relevant

[mighty hedge]

that'd be toeing a line I'd rather not cross

[hardy parcel]

go #off-topic-discussion tbh

[hardy parcel]

.

tip nr 1

[mighty hedge]

because my specific disability is enhanced early intelligence mixed with poor social skills

also yes, this is off topic

how about we move there

[hardy parcel]

social skills are just street smarts, even if you have a personality disorder or if you have a messed up childhood (me and me) you can learn how to fake it

yep

[brisk trail]

I'm currently trying to get defiance from chaos. Does the extra percentage from their keepsake expire after the first gate or does that remain as long as it's equipped?

[gray apex]

It remains. You can also pick up Yarns from wells if you find them or Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice, they all boost your odds. Alongside running Gods legacy if you are specifically hunting for that boon.

[brisk trail]

Thanks!

Without spoiling what it's from, what is an ambiguity bonus? I gave a gift to someone and don't understand what it is.

[gray apex]

It boosts something

[mint coral]

Why don't you ask bouldy again

(it does nothing)

[brisk trail]

Thought so but I wasn't sure

[rustic vale]

His keepsakes actually won’t buff your Chaos legendary odds

that’s locked at a 1% legendary chance no matter what duo/legendary bonus you have

He’s sort of annoying like that

[tepid plover]

yeah their keepsake, and all gods help up to epic

[orchid yew]

Should I play the first game before the second? Also is this a single player game?

[rustic vale]

Yes (for the gameplay, it’s not that necessary for the story to my understanding), and yes, it is single player

[pulsar rivet]

anyone?

[rustic vale]

no every other olympian besides hermes has a +10% epic and +10% duo/legendary attached but iirc the chaos keepsake is only +rare chance and the +10% epic since the legendary is a static 1% iirc

[rustic vale]

Yea

[pulsar rivet]

thanks, guess I'll just keep trying. maybe turning on EM3 delayed the dialogue or something

[tepid plover]

my bad, didnt know this

[lunar plume]

Ha, I feel like I kinda tricked the game :D Just got the achievement for using a call of the olymps against them. Since it ruined my run beyond repair I just gave up (in Tartaros). But I have that pesky achievement now ^^

[tepid plover]

tricked the game how

[autumn jewel]

doing something and quitting before it saves is a legit strategy for getting achievements, e.g. purge a lego boon

[lunar plume]

Its not that spectacular, but I felt proud when I came up with it just at that moment :D

[foggy shoal]

so after completing the main quest and getting the credit scene , what is there to do now? are there more quests?

[gray apex]

You can keep playing and uncover more dialogue, improve your relationship with gods/npcs. There is more to the story after the credits.

[foggy shoal]

thanks i hope a lot of new people know that and don't quit after lol. so improve relationships with nectar right?

[gray apex]

Yea improve with nectar until you cant anymore. Then you do each god/npc's favor and gift them Ambrosia instead. You will learn more about the continuation of the story through dialogue

[tepid plover]

You play the roguelike game

[hardy parcel]

wait you get no reward for 32 heat?

[amber crest]

Skelly statue

[hardy parcel]

i was hoping for some resources

[amber crest]

hah. Yeah no.

We wish

[hardy parcel]

it was my 9th clear

and i dont have all the upgrades

so was thinking easy money

[amber crest]

I’m sorry you beat hades 32 heat on clear NINE

[hardy parcel]

yeah

im doing blind hellmode

[amber crest]

That’s effing impressive

[hardy parcel]

but frei did give me advice to use zeus atk blessing for gauntlets

so that part was a lil cheaty

84attempts 😭

[hardy parcel]

thank you mate, hades plays similar to dead cells which im on 4bc in

[amber crest]

-# sweat. Definitely not jealous.

[hardy parcel]

xd

its not a 64heat run

that would be trully insane

[amber crest]

Ok well that’s not a fair comparison

That’s 64 heat

[hardy parcel]

yeahhh

64looks insane

[rustic vale]

It issss

[tepid plover]

it was considered mathematically impossible for the longest of time

[strong jewel]

How come when playing on ps5 pro that the game loading is slow and not fast?

[brisk trail]

I got defiance on run 50. Idk if me equipping the egg in zone 2 instead of one helped, but that was the only thing I did differently with it and got it first try immediately after the change up.

Hallelujah!

[tough bramble]

I read that for playstation they had to rewrite the game in c++ as opposed to c# it was originally in

[mint coral]

That was pure luck lol

Gg tho

(egg doesn't buff their legendary odds)

[brisk trail]

I collected six shuffles and didn't even need them for it. It probably was luck, but I think the egg just buffs the rarity of the first boon collected with it equipped.

[mint coral]

Egg does buff other chaos boons rarities

But their legendary is different in how it works so rarity buffs don't work for it

Meanwhile other gods who do get these buffed chances to their legendary boons

[brisk trail]

It was probably just luck... He started out giving me +52% attack damage on ||Excalibur|| but I honestly wasn't expecting defiance so soon. I'm so happy now. It's done.

[mint coral]

To be specific on this
All god keepsakes that grant rarity buffs on top of giving the +20% to rares you also have a not described +10% to epics/duos/legendaries

Same goes for yarn of ariadne/refreshing nectar/chaos's defiance

(although iirc nectar is a +25% to epics instead?)

Exclusive access doesn't do this, it just makes the epic roll succeed always

[brisk trail]

Am I good, bad, or average with 14000 darkness on 50 runs?

[mint coral]

First person I've seen use that metric

And tbh idk lol

Dw much about it overall, single player game and all that

[brisk trail]

I'm replaying before I restart 2. Did not expect to be this far already. I got to the creds at 17 so I'm just waiting for dialogue now :/

[gray apex]

Since you're waiting for dialogue, try to see how early you can get all skelly statues

[brisk trail]

I'm on the last one, now that I don't have to deal with chaos anymore. I know I still need him to talk, but I don't have to try to get that DD I don't need anymore so I can finally make the jump!

I was trying to get it on heat 18 and he kept wanting to give me gates right before boss rooms 😂

[foggy shoal]

For each area what keepsake you like using per area?

[amber crest]

Olympian keepsakes for the first two, then either Olympian keepsakes for Elysium or I take Hypnos purse/charon hourglass.
Then I take Eurydice’s acorn for Styx.

[agile tundra]

I like using the Thanatos keepsake

[brisk trail]

Shackle's underrated for the shield special imo

[agile tundra]

Shackles is good for Tartarus

but after that its kinda useless

[foggy shoal]

This game is amazing. So much things to do still after completing the main story quest

[brisk trail]

Is there a better call than Dionysis' or Poseidon's? Whenever I pick anything else it doesn't seem to mesh that well

[gray apex]

Zeus

[agile tundra]

I personally use Zeus, Artemis or Aphrodite's call

[foggy shoal]

Zeus call is amazing

[agile tundra]

Ares is not the best unless you get the blade rift boons for it

[brisk trail]

cue me with epic greater reflex (+3) and tidal dash up to 105 and razor shoals blasting with Dio's call for privileged status

[foggy shoal]

What the best way to get more nectar?

[brisk trail]

When you no longer have a use for keys, use them for that, and when you have no need for that, use 10 for diamonds.

[agile tundra]

chambers have nectar or if you do happen to meet Dionysus he has a boon where you get a free nectar for extra hp

[hardy parcel]

||why is persephone kinda bad in her queen outfit tho||

[tepid plover]

Cause she's the queen

[round mural]

It's funny how the only way zagreus can get inside hades house is by dying

He mentions this in the true ending

[rustic vale]

Cuz he lowkey doesn’t know how to open the door

[hardy parcel]

I beat 32 heat and now i have done my 10th run clear but i am yet to slay skelly 15 times

[hardy parcel]

is there a false ending??

[vast raven]

no

[hardy parcel]

tryna win with guanyu lvl 1 spear sure is hard

maybe ill upgrade it before i try again

[vast raven]

yeah lvl 1 GY kinda bad

[tepid plover]

Lvl 5 guan yu kinda bad jk I just dont like it

[hardy parcel]

struggling like crazy getting 2 shotted by hydra

[tepid plover]

Just stay back and spam special

[vast raven]

gy is also def one of the harder aspects to efficiently play with just in general imo

[tepid plover]

Special spam is hella safe

Safer than most weapons

[vast raven]

i only ever learned spin pseudotech

[hardy parcel]

not on extreme measures with heat 9 i think

[tepid plover]

Sure it is, special is hella safe

Heat 9 ridiculously low

[iron sinew]

any hopes for the hades administrative desk mat coming back in stock soon?

[fervent cobalt]

I’ve now seen the credits roll, so I’ll probably take a break from the game, with legends ZA releasing and absorbing my life

[rustic vale]

Cut off 1% of the way into the game

[foggy shoal]

There a lot more after main quests credits roll per people here,

[fervent cobalt]

I’m sure there’s still plenty for me to do, I kind of just have other games I want to play at the moment

[onyx glade]

When your addiction to hades is so bad you’re writing a college level essay about it…

[hazy path]

||aphrodite ambrosia dialogue is finally unlocked.||

figured out how to farm darkness so i’ll finish up with the contractors then hop on II. enjoyed this game from top to bottom.

[rustic vale]

The pos start -> as many chaos as possible strat remains unbeatable

[lunar plume]

so the strat is being lucky on the pos choice, then being lucky to have a lot of chaos portals and be even more lucky to have the right choices there. And to top it off you need to be lucky at the room choices for darkness (although you manipulate that a little bit with the mirror).
Btw I actually was lucky once and got two chaos upgrades in one run for that ^^

[rustic vale]

Real strats is starting with tidal dash -> getting oceans bounty pretty early -> ideally finding some cores that compliment your weapon for a bit more damage -> putting dionysus on somewhere that benefits your weapon (usually call) to opne exclusive access since guaranteed epic eclipses have double the value of common eclipses

[autumn jewel]

the real strat is modifying your save file directly

[wispy falcon]

Artemis' call might be my favourite

it just completely destroyed 50% of Hades' hp in 2nd phase

[tepid plover]

Her call either obliterates or it tickles

[wispy falcon]

I have noticed that too, but i must've gotten lucky in my run

obliterated theseus p2, and same with hades p2

and now I have Aspect of Arthur

wow, that's a much slower moveset.. gonna need to build differently

[past spruce]

Okay, so question

If I have some, but not all of the rewards for a certain heat level, and I play at a higher heat level, will I miss out on the rewards of that lower heat level and have to play at that level to get them?

Cause I was playing with the Spear at 10 Heat, and getting rewards for like, 4 or so Heat
But I died at Hades cause I plain ran out of time (Styx made me go through all 5 chambers and I am not that good with Achilles Aspect), so I don't have all the rewards for that heat

[tepid plover]

you will get the rewards for the lowest heat\

[past spruce]

Ahh

It's just with how the UI shows it, it looks like I'd get the rewards for the next heat instead

Like it'd show the available rewards for 5 heat instead of the one I have left for 4

[rustic vale]

That sounds incorrect

It should show the lowest tier availables remaining rewards

[past spruce]

....And now when I check again that's exactly what it is

Okay never mind I'm dumb and somehow misremembered

As you were

[rugged yacht]

love getting exclusive access at styx

and then like 80% of my greater zeus call is useless bc hades goes invis

[rustic vale]

This is why you don’t greater call in general but

[mint coral]

That's why we don't greater call

[rustic vale]

especially not with zeus call

[rugged yacht]

kinda too late by the time i realized it was close

[mint coral]

For most calls just throw them as you get the first hat

Bar

[astral yacht]

for the purpose of "encounter" counting (like chaos or patty buff) is each room of a tunnel 1 or is the whole tunnel 1?

[balmy pike]

https://youtu.be/DPCU_M3SFwQ

😭

[lavish sorrel]

The game is inconsistent with what it wants to count as encounters

For most purposes it's tracked correctly (the small rooms also count), but for hydraulic might, the plume and the butterfly the small rooms are not counted

[astral yacht]

what does hydraulic might have to do with counting rooms?

isn't that the 10 seconds +attack/special?

[vast raven]

yes, the buff timer doesnt occur/buff happening (idr if that last part is correct, pls correct me if im wrong alex)

[foggy shoal]

you guys like god' legacy or god's Pride better?

[winter talon]

I prefer Gods' Pride.
Getting better boons more consistently is always good.

[mint coral]

hydro might doesn't activate on small styx rooms basically

[agile tundra]

Isn't God's pride the one that gives you a better chance of an epic boon? I use Legacy because I like getting duos or possibly legendaries

[rustic vale]

Pride is usually better for most builds between the consistency of hitting duos (with base odds if you have good decision making) and the value of extra epic chance on chaos and hermes is (plus any added value from the core gods for your builds)

[astral yacht]

pride hits duos?

[lavish sorrel]

no, it's the epic boons one

legacy is the duo- / lego-buff

[opaque marlin]

[rustic vale]

No I’m talking about the base odds if you’re you’re making good build decisions

as long as you’re making good decisions it’s pretty consistent to hit duos without legacy

I editted to message to add that in now that you mention it

[opal epoch]

when is the next discount on steam

[lunar plume]

you can look here https://steamdb.info/app/1145360/ at the price history. Looks like winter sale is pretty safe.

[opal epoch]

ok

so like oct 31

[fervent cobalt]

beat heat 8, super easy run
half considering hopping to heat 16, but might be too much of a spike really

[amber crest]

Many people have jumped from 20 to 32, 8-16 is fairly common

If you think you can pull it off, I encourage it!

[mint coral]

I've seen 8 to 32 too lol

[fervent cobalt]

how difficult is middle management? doesnt sound too bad

[fervent cobalt]

a friend said I should go to 32 but that seems horrifying

[vast raven]

it isnt that bad yeah

[latent moon]

Some mini bosses it's fine

[mint coral]

if you have meg's summons then is whatever for the most part

[latent moon]

I think only power couple is the really painful one

Even with summon

[fervent cobalt]

i still have a lot of stuff I could unlock to make runs easier, i mean i have none of the companions or whatever they’re called

[mint coral]

styx kinda stinky imo

[vast raven]

its still just dash away and back tho

[amber crest]

Power couple?

[vast raven]

skull crusher and gorgon head

[amber crest]

Ah

[mint coral]

asphodel miniboss

[amber crest]

Didn’t know they were called that

[fervent cobalt]

how bad are the first couple tiers of extreme measures? usually the furys and hydra are very easy at this point

[drowsy kettle]

basically free imo. even em3 is not that much harder

[mint coral]

em1-2 are chill

3 is the toughest change, really anti melee

[vast raven]

em3 is a kinda big spike compared to the others

and em4 too

[drowsy kettle]

yea em4 is rough

[amber crest]

I do not recommend em4

[amber crest]

How many levels of tight deadline are you running?

[fervent cobalt]

i havent even really leveled up the lowest things on mirror, so ig I can do one tier of routine inspection

[fervent cobalt]

none

[vast raven]

would recommend enabling that

[drowsy kettle]

tight deadline level 2 is a good choice

[amber crest]

Or learn speed and go straight to td3

[amber crest]

For all intents and purposes, this is a joke

[latent moon]

I mean it's not a bad idea regardless lol

[amber crest]

If you’re not comfortable doing td1, don’t do td3

[latent moon]

You learn fo2 and td3 if you get into speed for a bit

[vast raven]

td3 is kinda free with some practice tho

[latent moon]

Or even fo2 td2 is still good

[amber crest]

It’s what I did, and I got no regrets, but learning speed now? It’s not that needed.

[latent moon]

It's really not needed yeah

It's just nice

[vast raven]

wouldnt recommend routine inspection, but if you havent really leveled anything there atm i could see some usage of it

[latent moon]

Meta build and decent enemy pathing is all you need for td3

[amber crest]

I do td3, fo1 for my runs. (Like all my runs, it’s a nice up in difficulty as a base line)

[vast raven]

i dont even think you need meta builds

[amber crest]

You don’t even need a completely meta build

It’s 20 minutes

[latent moon]

I mean yeah but it'd be a lot easier

[vast raven]

i did a zeus 60 w/ ares special lol

[fervent cobalt]

ill just give heat 16 a fairly blind go, I dont expect this run to go well

[vast raven]

i dont think i timed out?

[latent moon]

Well you have the skill for that

[amber crest]

True that.

[fervent cobalt]

man, i still havent ranked up most keepsakes, I should use more of em

[latent moon]

Most people generally don't have the skill to do high heat or get low times without using a meta build

[amber crest]

Welp die, and try again

[amber crest]

I got hundreds of hours in the game, and I got nowhere near to all of them upgraded. No rush.

Tbf I Thi k I’m an anomaly

[fervent cobalt]

I basically only used spike collar for awhile since I got it early, and it felt like a fine stat stick
super useless late on though

[vast raven]

i did in fact time out a little bit https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1427768244638322830/1427768292868624494/image.png?ex=68f01057&is=68eebed7&hm=c5371784ca107625e30d6db30bc07395b5a160656b132e998b5db8edc926e304&

[fervent cobalt]

update on this heat 16 run, got past the hydra just now

didnt even take any damage on it because the acorn is amazing

[rustic vale]

Nice

[rustic vale]

Non-completionist anomaly

It was one of the first things I did

It’s not about the value of the keepsakes, just having them all maxed yk

[fervent cobalt]

heat sixteen beaten, also without death defiances

[torpid cave]

new to this game, I've been trying out different builds with different weapons, and oh my god the bow shotgun build is too disgusting. With a fully charged shotgun, I can deal 1000 damage at once! in this run I'm not even at elysium so there's tons of room for improvement on this build

[rustic vale]

like

triple shot bow

or charged volley

[calm mortar]

Is 36 minutes good for a successful escape attempt

[opaque marlin]

6 achivements left for the 100%

5 quid/dollars for this game was honestly a steal

[calm mortar]

Now get hades 2

:/

[opaque marlin]

no money 🙁

[calm mortar]

Im too broke

[opaque marlin]

christmas soon like so

[calm mortar]

Eh

[opaque marlin]

also so many good games came out this year

my moneys been run dry from them

[calm mortar]

Skong

[opaque marlin]

nightreign

[calm mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-silksong-dance-hornet-dance-hornet-silksong-gif-3654151901745923854

[opaque marlin]

also snagged sekiro and a few others

expedition 33

[calm mortar]

So expensive

[opaque marlin]

😭 ik

[calm mortar]

I mean i have cash but no credit card so thats the problem

[opaque marlin]

rip

[calm mortar]

Cant buy the games online

[vast raven]

Depends by what metric you go off of, for the more experienced/those going for speedruns sub 10 id consider good. But that is still rather subjective

[calm mortar]

That was my 2nd ever escape

1st try with the bow

[vast raven]

then id consider that pretty normal for a newer player

[calm mortar]

Alright

[lunar plume]

Just got the splinter bomb for the rail for the first time (turned out it was the last hammer upgrade I got). Can I have that every time now please

[faint night]

Part of me wonders if skelly was originally planned to be Odysseus

[rustic vale]

For a first one? Yes

Whoops

otherwise like

It’s pretty slow if you’re regularly escaping

[vast raven]

shackle being a hater today hmmg

[round mural]

W game

Sekiro is peak

[stray phoenix]

I beat the hydra

Ngl the bosses are actually easier than I thought they’d be I just need to know their next moves

[rugged yacht]

any of yall know if the projectile from piercing wave heals you when hitting something if you have cursed slash

these are sword upgrades btw

[vast raven]

they do not sadly, its just the actual standing strike hits with cursed slash that give healing

[rugged yacht]

alr, not a big deal for my build i already get enough heals, im at the end and picked up an anvil and got that, just a thought i had, thanks

hope it does well against final boss rn tho

it was close ngl i messed up and missed dodges on a few hits

[round mural]

Yeah they are easy once you get the hang of it

I think i beat every boss first try now unless i use pact of punishment

[rustic vale]

Indicator that you are comfy at your current heat

[brisk trail]

||It's 7:48.||

[amber crest]

What is?

I’m scared to look in the spoiler tag for some reason, and I’ve played plenty of this game

[brisk trail]

It's a decor thing I thought was funny for some reason.

[noble shoal]

still love how the title theme is ||hades' boss music||

[brisk trail]

Is that what it's called? I thought it was ||Redacted||.

||redacted boss music||

[noble shoal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/x89oqw/how_many_notes_per_second_is_too_many_imo_this/

i love the weight of the [redacted] music

[brisk trail]

All I left to do is max out my keepsakes.

[noble shoal]

Good luck!

[brisk trail]

I found out earlier world splitter makes the dashing strike for stygius pierce multiple enemies. Too bad I couldn't hit anything with the smaller hitbox. :/

Prophecy complete!

[vast raven]

world splitter doesnt effect dash strike? it always could peirce multiple enemies

[round mural]

I remember my very first hades attempt i didnt expect another phase with another health bar

[opaque marlin]

fr honestly think its the best from souls mechanic wise and er gameplay wise

[lunar plume]

first rule of (end)boss fights: Always expect another phase. I didn't expect it either though ^^

[fervent cobalt]

now that i beat heat 16 first try im honestly just considering trying 32 right away

[rustic vale]

🔥

That’s like a decently common move

[orchid yew]

I like challenging(challenging but not annoying difficulty) games but have never played a roguelike or a hades before, should I start with hell mode?

[rustic vale]

No

It forces you to always have on some difficulty settings you’ll be able to switch on later once you’re actually used to the game

In general it just slows down how long it takes for you to learn

[orchid yew]

Cool ty

[fallow topaz]

What's are the exact number of renovations needed for Dusa's place of revelry?

every source is different and I've bought 15 items and still nothing

[rustic vale]

It’s 15 from one specific tab I can’t remember at the moment and then at least one rug purchased iirc

[fallow topaz]

Yeah I got the 2 house repairs, one rug and 15 items

but still nothing

[sharp badge]

Same. Die once to the first phase, come back for more... "Ow" moment.

[rustic vale]

“Zagreus must help her bring the lounge up to Nyx's standards by using the House Contractor to complete a minimum of 12 Lounge-focused renovations, which must include at least one rug for the area as well as cleaning up Cerberus's fur and the scratches he left in the floor. After doing this, talking to Dusa will complete the A Place of Revelry prophecy and unlock the ability to give Ambrosia to her.”

[lunar plume]

So that's how that works. I never looked it up, I assumed you would need to buy sth with diamonds for Dusa ^^

[queen fox]

thats what i did yesterday, and holy crap 32 is exponentially harder than 16 (for me at least, I didnt beat it)

[rustic vale]

That’s how heat works

It is going to be expontentially harder to add more heat as you get higher and higher

especially when you immediately double the amount of heat you have, but then like subsequent heats get grosser and grosser with each one you already have

[foggy shoal]

for nectars, who to start giving after giving everyone one and have all the keepsakes?

[mint coral]

If you only care for gameplay purposes, Meg.
For post credits you can start gifting the gods.
Otherwise just drop nectar to whoever you like and wanna see more of their dialogue

[foggy shoal]

thanks do you like giving them out evenly to all?

[mint coral]

I just gave to whoever I found atm iirc?

Aka charon was my first to max out lmfao

[round mural]

I once died when the boss was 1 hit away from dying

But it happened a lot to me in other games as well so im used to it

Especially in souls and soulslikes

[cloud bronze]

Silksong Last Judge moment

[noble shoal]

i still love this death https://i.imgur.com/SnGTjis.png

the death animation was hilarious too https://i.imgur.com/2isyp18.png

[lunar plume]

Yay, got the legendary fish from greece

[calm mortar]

Fishes are a pain

I mean yes great side hustle for gems

[noble shoal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trippinthroughtime/comments/engoov/zeus_be_like/

[mint torrent]

Lowkey forgot that Hades had that second health bar

[wispy falcon]

just got the epilogue, holy peak

[calm mortar]

how do i get a cthonic companion?

[rustic vale]

6 specific npcs give you them at max relationship

[calm mortar]

which ones?

nvm i just searched

so ig i should be farming meg now

wait i need a whole ambrosia???

[untold dew]

Yeah to max relationships you need those

[calm mortar]

how can i do the orpheus achievement

[balmy raven]

I have just crossed 100 escape attempts, and the only weapon I have 0 wins with is the bow. I have all aspects unlocked, but none of them maxed other than zag sword and bow (some other aspects have 1 or 2 ranks). Does anyone know of a super easy or cheese strat to get a win with the bow?

[amber crest]

Learn to dash strike

Or Rama special spam

But really, learn to dash strike

A lot

[balmy raven]

I mean i use dash strike alot, maybe not with a bow equipped though

[amber crest]

Bows use dash strikes the most

Approximately 98-100% of your attacks should be dash strikes

[balmy raven]

Does it fire an arrow or wack them with the bow?

[amber crest]

Fire an arrow

[amber crest]

Unless you’re playing Chiron or Rama

Rama still uses predominantly dash strikes, and Chiron will always dash strike over regular striking

[balmy raven]

I typically fàvor the chiron bow for the homing special, but ill see if dash striking more helps at all.

I had been taking the hammer that removes power shot but lets you hold down the attack button to continually shoot arrows

[amber crest]

I don’t love flurry shot tbh

[balmy raven]

But I always die to the final boss no matter how good my build is with that methof

[amber crest]

Yeah, it’s lacking some damage

I personally like going max aspect of Zagreus, Artemis attack, Aphrodite special, Hunter dash and twin shot

But I know many people do variations of that

[balmy raven]

Ill give it a try, thx

[amber crest]

You never want to special more than just to apply weak here btw, it’s better to just dash strike

[balmy raven]

Ok. What keepsake do you use for styx? My typical build is using the one that extends the number of encounters for well of chiron purchases, trying to get lucky and go into the final battle with a bunch of those buffs

[amber crest]

Ope sorry didn’t see the message

[queen fox]

sorry im butting in, before the final boss became second nature for me, i liked to use skellys tooth for the extra life unless you have an ultra specific build you're going for

[amber crest]

I use Acorn

[queen fox]

or acorn live laugh love eurydice

[queen fox]

[amber crest]

Acorn just slowly outclasses the tooth

Once you start only losing runs at boss fights

[queen fox]

both are excellent, but considering the damage that the final fight does, acorn will give more benefit as 5 hits from him does more than 100 so yeah nugget is a thinker

[amber crest]

Also you don’t have to censor here, it’s not the newcomers chat

[queen fox]

oops you right i thought we were in the other one lmao

[amber crest]

And everyone present has beat Hades

[balmy raven]

Ya i sometimes use the tooth, if i lost one of my death defies. Pretty much all my runs end at either act 3 or 4 bosses. If i have too low of dps or mobility i die to act 3 boss, and then i die most of the time to act 4 boss. My win rate overall is about 10% through my 100 runs.

[amber crest]

Do you use strong builds? Or just whatever you can throw together.

[balmy raven]

I try to build toward some kinda theme/duo/legendary. I like athena dash for the reflect, etc

[queen fox]

if its clears you're going for, stick with a weapon that you are proficient with if you aren't already, and learn how to build that aspect

[amber crest]

Beating the game with the bow would give Cubic 10 blood

[balmy raven]

Im just trying to get a win with a bow, for the prophecy/story completion

[queen fox]

[amber crest]

Who doesn’t want more blood

[queen fox]

chiron should be 95% focused on special, 5% dash attack, and rama i have no clue i dont use it even though i should

[balmy raven]

~~ Dracula ~~