h1-discussion

[autumn marsh]

Ha, well, I honestly do feel a bit out of my depth. I thought i knew the game really well, and since coming here I'm realizing just how much I still have left to learn.

[rustic vale]

Tbf you’re asking about a mechanic only the a handful of thr top speedrunners and high heat gamers (and me) even know about

at the moment

or what you’re experimenting with is concerned with it anyhow

[autumn marsh]

Fair enough. Lol I discovered this with Hermes a few months ago after just messing around in Styx and thought "huh, that's cool" but I had no idea there was so much depth to the actual mechanics involved with this stuff.

Really cool to see how much people have figured out about this game, it's honestly amazing.

[rustic vale]

I get a fair amount of my more in-depth information from other people who look at the game files since it’s a bit harder for me to on switch b

but a lot of it isn’t too too in demand for lower level speed like where I’m at rn

🥀

[autumn marsh]

Fair. I played switch for a long time and only recently moved to pc, but I still use a controller. Too used to it now, kb+m just feels weird. But I'm a console gamer at heart, so things like digging through files is foreign territory for me

[rustic vale]

I have Hades on steam but I needed to use a controller for it

and I just rather play it handheld

It’s mainly for when I have my laptop and not my switch

[autumn marsh]

Makes sense! Anyway, gotta turn in for the night. I'll keep making attempts and see what I can figure out. Peace! ✌️

[rustic vale]

If you’re really trying to keep at it, I think you just have to take every boon possible in an effort to drain the bag so whenever you come across a miniboss room it’s forced to refill it

I think but honestly just mess around a bit more since that might not be the method since I’m still not 100% on all the ways you can force bag refills

[crystal yacht]

really really F awkward... I can easily handle 50F in H2 but not even 32F in H1... WTF???

[lavish sorrel]

1. 50 fear is a bit easier than 50 heat in hades 1. it's approximately equal to 45 heat, +- 3 or so depending on aspect.

• the two games play quite differently from each-other. practice makes consistent. keep playing, and you'll probably get better
• feel free to consult the 32 heat guide by bananas (https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit?usp=sharing, also pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies) for the basics, or ask people in #h1-high-heat-strategies for advice, some people look there to help others.

[next nimbus]

can someone send me an updated link to the modding server

every invite or link i find is expired or invalid

[lavish sorrel]

pinned in #self-promotion

if that link doesn't work for you, you're probably banned from the modding server.

[winter scarab]

75% off this weekend 🔥

[winter scarab]

Finally getting all the achievements on steam

[rustic vale]

[stoic bronze]

Hey hey, does killing freeze work within the end boss encounter? (When all foes are chill-afflicted, they are 10% slower and decay)

[amber crest]

yep

[pale hare]

Playing modded so this could be a bug inflicted by mods but it might've also been just timing. Either way, I found it hilarious:

Hades just collapsed to his knees in defeat, saying "Let's see you run from this!"

[mystic lark]

Are there requirements to unlock call boons, or am I just getting unlucky on a new save?

[vast raven]

yes, calls are unlocked after a certain number of runs on file, you are forced into getting your first call when introducing poseidon

[pine hinge]

Was supposed to run some kind of an attack build with Arthur, picked Artemis, and then I saw slicing shot

[lavish sorrel]

The game won't interrupt some voicelines even if some event happens in the meantime (this happens in the base-game).

[deft canyon]

Theseus u annoying idiot

Forgot how annoying he js

Average Theseus Dialogue

"U MONSTER SHALL BE SLAIN BY MY HOLY SPEAR"

[steep comet]

I finally bought the game on steam, how easy is it to transfer my save files from epic games to steam? Dont want to start from 0

And its easier to just launch the game from steam

[pale hare]

Okay cool, I'm happy to know it wasn't just my mods because I found it hilarious tbh

[obsidian cloud]

hi, im new and just got the game today. I beat the first boss meg, but then died after reaching the second area. How come I have to beat meg all over again? I dont really mind going through the whole area, but the boss as well?

[void vigil]

yep that’s the thing! You play until you beat everything and then do it all again

Roguelikes/lites work this way, in this one you get more powerful as you go but also challenge yourself in new ways as you go

[obsidian cloud]

its a little draining, but alr. Thanks!

wait does that mean if you have to fight the final boss you have to go through every single level and every single boss?

[void vigil]

Have fun! You’ll get the hang of it and it’s great. It has an end credits but a lot of story to see even after that

Yeah. Again! and it’s fun to experiment with different builds

Idk I like this game I have hundreds of hours in it lol it’s basically the first I played from the genre

[obsidian cloud]

dammnnn alright thanks

[void vigil]

And I’m still not too big on roguelikes as a whole but I love hades

[obsidian cloud]

yea its my first rougelite, i really dont know if ill like it because i mainly play souls games and stuff like hollow knight (silksong) and whatnot

[void vigil]

its different but I hope you like it anyway!

[obsidian cloud]

thanks

[void vigil]

Idk before hades pyre was like. A big part visual novel which I loveeee then hades was a big shift and I was a little worried I would not be able to play it

But I definitely could so yay

[obsidian cloud]

nice, i'm gonna go play a little more, thanks!

[rustic vale]

That’s like the whole gameplay loop of roguelites

If you pick up any other roguelite then you’ll have the same experience where you’re always starting a new run from scratch with a unique seed

[pale hare]

I grew up playing nethack so the cycle of try-fail is very normal to me except nethack didn't even have meta progression 🤣

[vestal field]

Gun felt so bad

[pine hinge]

Remapping might make it slightly bearable, since the reload is at Right stick button for some ungodly reason

Kinda enjoy Hestia Rail as of now

[mint coral]

Non hestia rails is a bit more build knowledge check

If you don't have the right attack it will feel miserable

[void vigil]

its R on pc but i put it on mmb

[tough bramble]

Im at cerberus near styx and i have 968 coins, can either buy 2 upgrades or nothing at all

For 300 each

Wdyd

[mint coral]

Just spend it lol

[tough bramble]

No point in saving?

Never been this far :p

[pine hinge]

Either that or it just devolves the moment your hammer gives you rocket bomb

Happened to my run today, it... became me just spamming special, and the second hammer gave cluster

Basically winning a lottery at that point

[mint coral]

Yeah clockets always good ofc

But you gotta have something between getting that lol

[pine hinge]

Kinda wonderimg if there's a mod that makes labbing a thing

Was thinking about trying other flares other than trippy and flood, but afraid of them sucking too bad

[vast raven]

there is! codex mod lets you pick and choose different hammers and boons while in the courtyard to test out on skelly

[tough bramble]

Ah

[pine hinge]

Gonna try something stupid

Cold embrace on Hera

Wish me luck

[rustic vale]

Not having lightning strike makes it so bad even with rcoket

[pine hinge]

There is a reason I am addicted to tidal dash

[worn nova]

How do mods even work? Is it like other games where you have to install a separate modified launcher?

[rose perch]

Unrelated to the game itself, but thanks Greg and Amir for the stream and vod. It was so much fun to watch you guys play! Hades is such a special game in so many ways!

[vast raven]

not sure on the exacts, but it isnt a separate launcher when i downloaded the src modpack for speedrunning it has the mod importer that changes your copy of the game to have the mods and when ever you launch the game it read from your mod folder (renaming/deleting it removes your mods, also important to note that you do have to run the mod importer every time you do a change) on windows it adds a new folder under the content folder

there might be if you download through nexus? but im not knowledgeable enough in that, ive only ever done manual installs

[worn nova]

Thanks for the info! And also one more thing, was the vanilla game made with modding in mind? I guess what I'm trying to say is do you have to worry about corruption or any other bugs that come with modifications. I'm not talking about bugs with how the mod works, like Styx being bugged or something, just bugs in areas the mod doesn't touch and are just glitched due to the unrelated modification(s).

Idk if that might be confusing

I can try to reword it if you want

[vast raven]

i cant think of any? although i dont believe hades was made with modding in mind

[rustic vale]

Not exactly

Iirc the Hades 2 game files were made way more accessible than Hades 1, to aid modders

which tells me that Hades 1 maybe didn’t have them in mind when it was developed (or at least not in the scope they exist in rn)

[gentle venture]

Looking to tackle EM4 with gilgamesh later tonight, I need somebody to talk me down from using athena, dio, ares, aretemis

Athena or Dio on dash and attack (whichever on whichever), Ares Special, Artemis cast

[lavish sorrel]

what heat

[gentle venture]

literally ONLY em4, so just 10

[rustic vale]

this just doesn’t sound like a great build

[tough bramble]

I beat ||hades phase 1|| on attempt 15, is that good?

As in, my 15th run ever

[rustic vale]

The average is 20-80

so like

[tough bramble]

Got wrecked in ||phase 2|| tho

[rustic vale]

you’re slightly ahead

but gamers are coming in with more and more experience with fast-pased games and roguelites and keep pushing down the lower bound

[tough bramble]

I can see some similarities with souls(like) games as well

[rustic vale]

I used to say 40-80 but over the last two years in particular it’s been pushed down a bit

[lavish sorrel]

yeah I can absolutely see ME gilgamesh work at 10 heat 👍

[tough bramble]

Id say i have above average experience with fast paced games and rpgs

Not roguelike games tho, unless you count slay the spire

[rustic vale]

I think just getting the idea of roguelite builds down is enough clockwork to help

[tough bramble]

To be fair, i am using similar builds everytime and the bow

Bow seems like easy mode comparatively

Also wth is titan blood/diamonds/ambrosia for besides trading?

[rustic vale]

Upgrading weapon aspects /work orders / relationship bonding respectivelu

[sweet gale]

Is beating the game in 16 minutes good

[vast raven]

any clear time is good! the fastest text the game acknowledges for is sub 12 iirc so you could list that as a goal

[tough bramble]

But after beating it first? Because it confuses me as to why i cannot give it

[rustic vale]

?

You need all the weapons to use weapon aspects

[tough bramble]

Do i need to beat hades first to be able to give ambrosia to someone?

[rustic vale]

Well

[tough bramble]

I cannot give them more nectar

[rustic vale]

they’re all for the final stages

each npc has a specific thing you need to do

or some dialogue trees to go down

to unlock their final heart(s)

some are gated to after you’ve escape others are just a lot of dialogue you end up getting throuhj

You can look up each specific npc on the wiki for their favour

[tough bramble]

Okay thanks

[sweet gale]

Will do! Thanks

[gentle venture]

I figured with potential for ME and the other potential duos there, things might be like a paper shredder

dio is like my favorite, but he’s in the run MOSTLY for his support boons, but i know hangover isn’t the GREATEST setup

maybe i put him on special instead and put Athena on dash and Arte on attack

or maybe i try for Aphro-Arte-Dio-Athena

[rustic vale]

ME without ares on strike is kinda bleh

Like your dps is significantly lower

[gentle venture]

Well, the whole point of it was that I didn’t want my main attack to be a boon that doesn’t inherently increase outright damage percentage

Hence, why I initially wanted to do Athena on the attack and possibly dio on Dash

[mint coral]

Gilga's dash strike does 20 dmg

Just do ares atk pls

[dreamy mesa]

Are any of the weapons besides the bow worth unlocking?

I wanna save up my keys for more mirror upgrades

[lavish sorrel]

feel free to try (and do a run or two with) all of them, see which one you like the most. there's something for everyone in there. also note that the feel of a weapon highly depends on the build's strength, one's first few experiences are usually not an accurate representation of how a weapon can feel with more game-/build-knowledge.

all of them have a lot of depth (though some still more than others)

[balmy quail]

Hello y’all

[gentle venture]

Yes, because the mirror upgrades start to be unlocked by groups of two, with the amount of keys needed increasing every time

The last four mirror upgrades are about manipulating the odds or other item generation, and I would recommend getting all of the weapons before you do those

so once you buy the mirror upgrade that is worth 10, refocus on the weapons

[dreamy mesa]

I didn't understand almost anything in that message-
But the deal is that I should unlock weapons, got it

[gentle venture]

You unlock mirror upgrades in groups
Each group costs more
The last group worth paying for before switching back to focusing on the weapons is the one that is worth 10

If that makes more sense

[dreamy mesa]

Oooh alright now I understood

[gentle venture]

Because after that, it’s 20 and then 30

[dreamy mesa]

I just got 10 keys, so I'll use them once I die or (hopefully) beat Hades

[gentle venture]

And unlocking the weapons is going to be faster than unlocking those last mirror things

Also in my experience, which weapon you’re using can be the difference maker in winning or losing, because there’s gonna be weapons that you either enjoy or genuinely succeed with more

My favorite weapon is the second to last one you unlock

The first weapon I ever won with was the last one you unlock

[dreamy mesa]

the standard sword feels nice to play with for me

[gentle venture]

I also believe that some of the other weapons don’t unlock until you’ve bought the others

[dreamy mesa]

and with Poseidon's blessing for charged attack it feels really good
Not so much without it

[dreamy mesa]

seems like it

[gentle venture]

So in other words, even if you don’t plan on using them right away, unlock them.
Eventually, you’re probably gonna wanna start diversifying, as the game does give you actual good reasons to use weapons other than just what you want to use

[dreamy mesa]

... I just lost the progress of two hours

Isn't the game supposed to autosave

Okay yea I searched online and it's a feature to prevent cheating or wtv
I dont feel like playing for a few days now

[latent moon]

Uh that's a new one

It fully auto saves like after each run

Nothing to do with cheating or whatever

If you force close midrun, it sends you back to the start of the run

[dreamy mesa]

That's what happened

The game should have some way of telling you that all progress is lost if you just leave the game

I didn't even leave during a fight. It was right before Hades' fight when I got an upgrade

I collected like 700 darkness and 6 keys and played for 2+ hours, it's so frustrating

Now I feel like I wasted my time...

Yeah no I'm uninstalling

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

2+ hours in one run?

[dreamy mesa]

Yeah, started at around 1 am and I had the issue at 3+ am

Right before fighting Hades...

I went to every gate to get as many buffs as I could, too
And had that op weapon effect that healed me 2hp every time I did the normal attack

[rustic vale]

cursed slsh

[dreamy mesa]

• poseidon's effect of getting more darkness and stuff

So yea, I'm not doing all that again

[rustic vale]

The game will save your progress if you exit at any place in the run which normally lets you quit out

Was it a game crash that caused the issue?

[dreamy mesa]

I'm trying to get mods to fully unlock the game so at least I dont have to do lost progress, but doesn't work

[dreamy mesa]

No

[rustic vale]

or an unfortunately timed alt+f4

[dreamy mesa]

I alt f4'd the game after getting an upgrade, in the multi headed dog's room

Not even in a fight

[rustic vale]

k so every room will let you quit out of it and have your progress save, you just need to do it after taking the upgrade in a room for rooms that drop those

[dreamy mesa]

I mean, it's too late now

Nothing frustrates me more than feeling like I wasted my free time, and in a weekend too

[rustic vale]

Hades is a baller game like I feel like it’s crazy to write it off after one run of progress is down

especially when you now know how to avoid the issue

it’s super annoying now but it’s a shame to put it down completely

[dreamy mesa]

The thing is that the run was really really lucky

Poseidon's blessing of getting more items (darkness etc)

Got 700+ darkness in one run, which is crazy bc I only got 100 darkness so far in the game

6 keys

Got poseidon's ultimate and most importantly the skill to heal mid battle with normal attack

I doubt a run like that will happen soon

[rustic vale]

mmm

the thing with getting builds together is experience and knowledge does actually make things way more consistent

knowing what to take and when to take certain doors and boons or keepsakes

Can both make your builds way stronger (at whatever you’re trying to achieve, not just pure dps, there are dedicated darkness farming builds), and more consistent

[mint coral]

Did you check #h1-tech-fixes ? If you haven't started a new run the temp save might still be available

[rustic vale]

Wait you’re like so early in the game too

Runs will get far far faster

especially as you get more experience

and unlock/upgrade more stuff on your mirror

[dreamy mesa]

I'll check, but so far I patched it by just getting an endgame save file

kinda

[rustic vale]

endgame savefile and miss all the story 💔

although if you’re in it for the gameplay I guess you’re way better off

It might be a lot all at once but whatever

[dreamy mesa]

I just need to find a way to not feel like I wasted my weekend time

[rustic vale]

full mirror and full aspects and full work orders is a massive massive difference

[dreamy mesa]

Checked the Temp folder, nothing in there

[rustic vale]

Hades is the kinda game where I had 90% of the game complete by like 180 hours tbf like

you’re skipping a lot if you nabbed the maxed save file

[dreamy mesa]

It's maxed but not kinda

[rustic vale]

wdym by yhat

[dreamy mesa]

The dialogs make it seem like I made it to the surface once

But some upgrades are missing

[rustic vale]

so

not maxed

?

[dreamy mesa]

I have all the weapons unlocked but not the mirror

[rustic vale]

oh so like a very early save file

[dreamy mesa]

endgame yet not maxed

[rustic vale]

nah if it doesn’t even have all the mirror unlocked it’s super early

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1228902200923918440/1419143606890926161/Screenshot_20250920-230942.Discord.png?ex=68d0affa&is=68cf5e7a&hm=bbf54fda7cdbeff2b417f4465079878c81b5ed7de8fc8d4fcc4f50dd4ca774bb& this part I meant

[dreamy mesa]

also the keepsakes aren't unlocked too, relationships as well

[mint coral]

Just one escape is just the start of the main story basically

[rustic vale]

yeah that’s more like a “early game but a little farther than you” save file

[dreamy mesa]

Alright I'll try that

[rustic vale]

You may be vastly underestimating how much there is to Hades ngl

[dreamy mesa]

WAIT

HOLD ON

THIS MIGHT WORK

[rustic vale]

Oh fir

fire

🔥

[dreamy mesa]

@mint coral Profile1_Temp.sav date time is exactly when the issue happened

around 3 am

I have hope

[mint coral]

Nice

The temp saves always carry me lol

(mostly in h2)

[dreamy mesa]

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT IT WORKED

Dude tysm

[mint coral]

Nice

Np np

[dreamy mesa]

I thought I lost 2 hours

[dreamy mesa]

nvm, I got my save back XD

[rustic vale]

SWEET

game your heart out man

or go to bed

if it’s 3am

[dreamy mesa]

4 am actually

[rustic vale]

4am*

[dreamy mesa]

thankfully I go to uni in the afternoon so not too bad

[vast raven]

"I'll sleep when I'm dead" - a very cool and based character from hades the videogame

[rustic vale]

Uni in the afternoon on a sunday?

💔

[dreamy mesa]

Monday to friday

weekends is free time ig

[rustic vale]

I used to be that guy irl uhhhh

it’s very destructive

3/10 would not recommend

[dreamy mesa]

I should go to sleep actually LMAO

[vast raven]

ig bc i never play fists i didnt know this but duppers dont count for special chaos curses???

[dreamy mesa]

Okay I'll try Hades' bossfight tomorrow, wish me luck XD
2nd try

[rustic vale]

Duppers are weird

[mint coral]

Same for dashing flight iirc?

[rustic vale]

they get dash-strike +% as well

[vast raven]

[mint coral]

Hades 1 is a videogame for sure

[rustic vale]

Dash-uppers get dash+%

the math is mathing

[vast raven]

very much noted for my 50h demeter attempts

[rustic vale]

🔥

And your runs will get faster, 2hr long runs shouldn’t be too much of a concern for very long

[latent moon]

If it was really all in one run you could just do the run again lol

Like all that progress can be made again in like 2 runs max

You need much more than 2 hours of grinding for this game anyways

[dreamy mesa]

ik It's just that I don't like losing progress

[rustic vale]

For future reference just always pause the game and check if it’ll let you quit the run

[vast raven]

does kinetic launcher make it lose this property?

[rustic vale]

I don’t think you can dupper with kinetic launcher

[vast raven]

thought so

[rustic vale]

If only

They could’ve made it like a dstrike on bow

iirc the power shot on kinetic launcher is actually substantial right?

Νοτ enough to do it regularly though

[vast raven]

i had no idea it could power shot.

before playing today i had a total of just under 9k enemies killed with fists

[rustic vale]

Uhhh

Let me check my weaps

Oh I’m mid runo

Eh bad pace idc about it too much

Rail is my lowest with 19000

but what I do notice is that it’s a pretty big gap

3 of my weapons are like 20k and 3 of my weapons are 25k

also weapon kills only count actual weapon damage kills not casts and etc

iirc

Yeah because I have 2x the amount of total enemy kills as the sum total of my weapon kills

[vast raven]

my weapons are;
sword: 33000
spear: 20000
shield: 150000
bow: 65000
fist: 8600
rail: 24000

it seems theres a specific weapon ive played a bit more of

[rustic vale]

wth

mine are literally like three ~20ks and three ~25k

[vast raven]

i have grinded this game A LOT

[rustic vale]

I’ve been playing on-off all summer getting all my aspect times down

I might be too general of a player though

and I seed a lot so a lot of those kills wouldn’t have registered

[vast raven]

yeah that'll also knock down those kill numbers a fair amount

[rustic vale]

Did you know that you can dupper and dstike off one dash

[vast raven]

NO???

[rustic vale]

The timing is tight (at least for me)

If you input too early it just doesn’t happen and too late and it’s a standing special

[vast raven]

oh i see thats cool

probably wont ever use it but good to know

[rustic vale]

You should try it out just for funsies

[vast raven]

i did idk i'll probably end up just doing it while im doing my combos

[polar aspen]

By the gods I love Darren Korb! She has such a good singing voice

[latent moon]

It's fun if you have ME without ddash lol
Or various breakpoints if you're a nerd

[polar aspen]

Orpheus, for those unaware

Lol

[urban timber]

i just picked this up because id thought about it before and was reminded of it when i saw the news about the full release of hades 2. first couple hours went smoothly but suddenly im having EXTREME (<10 fps, input delay) performance issues on a machine that really shouldnt be... all the fixes in #h1-tech-fixes were all the things i thought to try on my own ._. ... is this a known issue

[latent moon]

Might be that you had the game open too long?

Iirc that's a thing that can happen

Although idk how long "a few hours" entails for that issue to occur

[urban timber]

its persisted through restarts

i have just found something strange though. it seems to go away, or at least get a lot better, when i swap from controller to keyboard..

[latent moon]

I've got no clue then lmao

[pine hinge]

Paper Boats got me into Transistor, then Hades.

In the Blood was a really well made piece, elevated the entire credits scene as Charon was rowing down Styx

Ashley Barrett just has that voice

[rustic vale]

Couple hours?

What fps were you running

Prior

[lavish sorrel]

feels like a #h1-tech-support message

ask there pls ty

[dreamy mesa]

alr third time trying Hades

[dreamy mesa]

I lost btw

[pine hinge]

Was there further on the Bedroom Lyre after clearing the list?

[indigo badge]

what

[pine hinge]

Like is there like another level zag can practice to after clearing the lyre fated list

[indigo badge]

oh. no there isn't

[tough bramble]

Potato pc

[static fractal]

so glad I waited for a sale, it's 75% off on switch and on steam! good deal!

[naive gate]

there are some chaos boons i literally can't get for the contract, is it always luck? or am i missing something like is it required to use a certain weapon to get specific boons from him

[mint coral]

Assault needs fiery presence on mirror, their legendary needs any chaos boon then luck, not affected by rarity buffs so get praying

[naive gate]

😭

[mint coral]

I assume you have the boon index so you could always check there

[naive gate]

Ye

I’ve done pretty much everything else in the game I’m just missing this lol

[naive gate]

I also just found to get slippery you need infernal soul active

[vague blaze]

Guys is there even a way to restore hp

[brisk trail]

I just got the option to ||"mute Hermes next time"|| and it caught me so off guard.

[vague blaze]

I just beat the first boss as I died

[gentle venture]

Yo
Somebody remind me REAL quick the pros and cons of stubborn/death defy

other than the real 30\50 difference

cuz i am trying EM4, but I’m not totally convinced that I will survive in my runs as consistently using death defiance or that I would have as many as I might need to defeat Hades by the time I get there if I don’t run into Patroclus

[rustic vale]

stubborn is better when the average room is the larger threat

ie when you’re kicking up to like 32/40/50/55 heat

or if you’re running lasting consequences 4 stubborn defiance is just better

[vast raven]

or you could just never get hit and run dds so you can stall timer for like 2 minutes during dad fight

[gentle venture]

That really is the true answer and that is pretty easy considering I’m using Gilgamesh

[indigo badge]

nickname checks out

[gentle venture]

I just don’t see what people hate about it

I have had great amounts of success with it

And I think I’m getting closer to getting lower than my current 19 minute record with it

but I also think that I generally have weird tastes in terms of aspects according to people here

At least for the fists, spear, and shield

(Chaos aspect and Hades aspect)

[gentle venture]

However, I will also say that a lot of it might come from my past tendency to use privileged status instead of Family Favorite, so I used to use it to apply two curses at once, but even still after switching to fam fav, I like it more than the others

I just kind of throw boons at it until I can hold the attack and dash buttons and become a human paper shredder while occasionally applying maim, which obviously has its downsides that everybody brings up, but the enemies are only stronger if they hit you

I dash in, apply maim, and then wait for it to act as discount doom with higher damage

[lavish sorrel]

I wish to preface this by saying that you're allowed to play the game however you like, as long as you find pleasure in what you do; however, spreading misinformation crosses that line. In this instance (in claiming gilgamesh is strong), you are objectively incorrect. This aspect has:

• no range
• both tons of starting- and end-lag on every move including dashstrike and dupper
• pitiful damage on dashstrikes (meaning the only way to make dashstrikes deal damage is by having a separate source of base damage on it, ares attack -> ME for example). Hades the videogame is all about dashstrikes; the value of dashstriking on a given aspect can make or break the aspect.
• both strategies for gilgamesh require a highroll RNG-wise to work out, when pushing the aspect to its limits
• dash cooldown is bugged to be longer than it's supposed to be
• while being able to hold down the dash button may be comfortable, it results in the player dashing when one didn't mean to, sometimes resulting in lacking dashes a split second later and getting hit right afterwards.
• said dashes are shorter. this is bad for obvious reasons.
• it's way too easy to get locked into a dashstrike when one actually wanted to do a standing strike -> dash (this can happen on some other aspects too, but is most noticable on gilga due to how clunky every move is)
• to apply maim, one has to go though a full dash-upper first, making it impractical even for safe play in high heat. this isn't even accounting for the fact that time is a concern there, maim makes the player take more damage (which can serve as a deterrent to using it much in the first place), and it takes a while to trigger to deal around as much damage as the strong aspects can deal in under a second

[vast raven]

holy yap 🥱

[gentle venture]

I’m like dead certain this is the first time somebody’s actually been willing to bring me the data

[lavish sorrel]

again, this doesn't mean you're not allowed to enjoy playing the aspect, but defending gilgamesh on the merits of game mechanics is objectively a waste of time.

[gentle venture]

Instead of just being like “i dont wike it so its bad”

[lavish sorrel]

tbf the clunkiness is a large part of the reason why it's bad

[gentle venture]

I don’t know what it is, but the jank calls to me

[lavish sorrel]

easier to learn, hard to master

I assume it's the first part that sounds appealing

why gilgamesh and chiron and the non-lucifer rails tend to be favourites for newer players, whereas beowulf, hera or achilles are less common

[gentle venture]

chiron is my second favorite on the bow lol

Nemesis is my favorite on the sword
Hades on spear, chaos on shield, rama on bow, gilga on fists, and I think it’s the reload one on the rail, but I’m forgetting the name

[lavish sorrel]

hestia

[gentle venture]

Yeah

[lavish sorrel]

yep eris/hestia are the two common rails people like to play

[gentle venture]

I think eris was the one i USED to like

I think I would use eris if I was planning ahead to try and use the three round burst

[rare bolt]

do you need to play through all of hades 1 to play the second game?

[lavish sorrel]

no

[fervent radish]

very much not true. people have separated liking an aspect with its relative strength many times

i can even recall myself doing so while talking to you

[gentle venture]

😬

im now remembering lol

[feral tree]

Gun feels like cheating ngl

And how does anyone like Gilgamesh, that things a joke ngl

[fervent radish]

the clunk clicks for some people idk. i don't see it either

[rustic vale]

What each person personally finds fun to play is a mystical thing

everybody has their own controversial Hades opinion to some capacity

[old bluff]

Alright here me out everyone

Beowulf is good

Thank you for listening

[dreamy mesa]

The spear is so good

[vast raven]

sry beo mid, embrace rama

[old bluff]

Trueeee

Was higher than Beo in unmodded for a bit

[rustic vale]

Knockoff Hera fr fr

[old bluff]

hey

at least beo doesn't need dem for aoe

[dreamy mesa]

4th try in Hades' bossfight

[hollow saffron]

Hey, I have a question. Is there any way to play the Early Access versions on Steam by entering a code? Or is it not possible?

[gentle venture]

Thats it

[gentle venture]

That too

The jank speaks to me

For some reason, everything that everybody else sees as like this huge problem is just like why it works so well

At least in my case

But that does give me an interesting idea
I’ve been meaning to try and beat extreme measures four with Gilgamesh as part of me doing a proper sendoff for this game before playing Hades two

For one of my runs I’m going to take gilga off and see if I suddenly get exponentially better

[autumn marsh]

Gilgamesh dash only is a lot of fun and surprisingly powerful with the right setup

Tidal dash, lightning reflexes, razor Shoals and static discharge works great

Sea storm is you can. Breaking wave helps in Styx. Then just turn on privileged status and ruthless reflex. Super fun build thats surprisingly safe

[twilit shore]

Did hades get removed from Netflix games?

/any way to transfer my progress from mobile to pc?

[amber crest]

Yup

[amber crest]

Not to my knowledge, but I heard there was a way a while ago. Idk now.

[twilit shore]

Rip

[merry adder]

im watching my friend play hades 1 for the first time lmao, hes doing well. though sometimes his decisions are a bit 😩

[rancid ember]

Okay, apparently Chain Shot with Zeus Strike is flipping terrible on bow

Messy unplanned build combined with that and I died of time over (7 mins/biome) before reaching Theseus

(unplanned build mostly due to keepsake grinding)

[rustic vale]

It only does a single chain-lightning per strike thanks to the internal cooldown

You may as well be playing bow boonless 🥀

[rancid ember]

I thought that was per enemy?

But even then there's SO many times you'll only get to hit a single enemy and it's just kind of. Not that great even with Jolt?

[rustic vale]

yeah bow tends to work 9x better with a +% based strike

Jolted doesn’t solve everything like you wouldn’t run lightning strike on arthur

same principle here just to a lesser extent

[rustic vale]

Chain lightning is not the same as lightning bolts

chain lightning has a different itc of 0.15s instead of 0.2s and just operates differently because every chain lightning is a traveling projectile that originates from you

[rancid ember]

Ooh, I see

[west shard]

I need help with the companions

No matter how many times I meet Hermes or Aphrodite I can’t unlock their last hearts

aphro is constantly on her last locked heart no matter how many times I meet her

And same with Hermes

[rustic vale]

Hermes you need to talk to him after you max his keepsake iirc

you might actually need to have his keepsake equipped too but I’d check the wiki

And Aphrodite you need to have maxed out relations with the 3 “romanceable” npcs

[west shard]

Did those

[west shard]

Did this too

MFS JUST DONT LIKE ME

[lavish sorrel]

mysterra disagrees

[polar aspen]

Well I don't know how, but I love the fact that Dionysus has heard about Orpheus hymn

[spare tiger]

Out of curiosity, who animated the launch trailer for Hades 1? Swear I've seen this style before

Or was it all in house?

[void vigil]

studio grackle

i think that was their first project

[dreamy mesa]

Alright... Fifth try at Hades' bossfight

I have a feeling this is the one

I DEFEAT HIM

LETS GOOOO

[mint coral]

Gg

~~2nd phase right ~~

[dreamy mesa]

yep

I hope Zagreus can eventually stay in the surface

The scene and music are beautiful, poor guy

[rough carbon]

How can I convince my friends to get hades since it’s $6.99

[tough bramble]

Buy it for them

[rough carbon]

yes

thats brilliant

[tough bramble]

Its genuinely a great gift

[gentle venture]

what is the fist meta for crazy damage

trying em4, been using gilga, switched to demeter to see if gilga was the problem, died to theseus and asterius

Just want to shred everything down with big number, including dad phase 3

[vast raven]

for any heat speed, its merciful end, for high heat its usually zeus attack and then a big special boon (even more important on demeter) depending on pact you could probably merciful end build just fine

[gentle venture]

I feel really weird about that build because I don’t like that it forces you to have athena on the attack instead of the dash

Or on both

[lavish sorrel]

???

ZAP doesn't want athena attack, what

[gentle venture]

Aren’t the prerequisites for ME that Athena has to be on the special or the attack

[lavish sorrel]

oh, right, you play ME

on ME, you want athena on special regardless of aspect (except zeus shield, which can handle too)

[gentle venture]

I am confused
Merciful end makes doom apply to any attacks that deflect, yes?

[lavish sorrel]

no, it makes doom-effects that are currently applied trigger immediately if said enemy gets hit by a move that can deflect

AKA any athena boon that deals damage

[vast raven]

^

[gentle venture]

Oh

[lavish sorrel]

so hitting an enemy with doom, then hitting that enemy with an athena boon makes ME activate

[gentle venture]

OK, well in that case

[autumn marsh]

Athena special just for the prerequisite for ME. Dash to actually trigger the effect.

You'll want both ideally

[gentle venture]

Doesn’t it technically make far more sense to apply the curse with your special and then zip in with the higher speed attack?

[lavish sorrel]

when you could instead be spamming 2 dashstrikes per second instead? hell no.

[gentle venture]

or I guess technically I could take Athena attack, get ME, then replace the attack with something else once I have the dash

[lavish sorrel]

insane behavior

[autumn marsh]

Doom attack, dash deflect. That works best for merciful end

Apply the doom, instantly trigger it. Lather rinse repeat

[gentle venture]

Well, I was just kind of thinking because my initial idea of it would’ve been that because I’m using Gilgamesh, and I want deflect on EITHER the attack or the dash, but not both because I want some kind of fam fav action or other good synergy

[autumn marsh]

That is correct. Doom on the attack, not deflect

[gentle venture]

What’s funny is if y’all knew the set up I had in my head. You would all be like “what are you doing”

cuz it was probably dio dash 😬

Most of my more successful runs, have any sort of weird combination of athena, ares, dio, and artemis

And it’s almost always dio on attack, ares special, athena dash, and arte cast

Recently, I’ve been trying arte/athena on dash or attack, which ever one I end up getting first

With the caveat obviously being, it’s gilgamesh

[lavish sorrel]

on gilgamesh.

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

[gentle venture]

With how often I dash around, having Athena makes me nearly untouchable for the first two floors

After that, it’s just a matter of how do big number

I was thinking of doing an athena/arte/aphro/dio build

Not necessarily in that order

[rustic vale]

Dio dash

[gentle venture]

I’m sure we’ve been over the fact that it’s like the worst way to use hangover

Right?

Either that or I think I was gonna put him on the special

Somebody remind me, is it correct that Aphrodite has the highest percentage damage increase on all of her boons for the core four?

[vast raven]

3, dash is the exception

i think?

[lavish sorrel]

the bottom two don't increase as a %, but yes, attack/special/cast have not only the best rarity-scaling but also pom-scaling of any coreboon in the game

[gentle venture]

I was kind of thinking going for aphro on attack, Athena on the dash, and whatever else works best for the other two

[vast raven]

t dash starts 49 passion dash starts at 22 (at epic for both) tdash goes to 63 for pom 1 and passion dash goes to 44 (?) on first pom

[gentle venture]

I’m just trying to turn Gilgamesh into a paper shredder so I can Beat EM4 because I’m too stubborn to switch weapons or aspects for my first time doing so

but for some reason, I’m also too stubborn to use other facets of the meta

like ME and death defy

[lavish sorrel]

One thing I'll say is that around half getting good at the videogame is knowing what build-paths and -choices work in what situations (estimating what play has the best average payoff vs chance of brick). Only playing one build won't help much with this skill.

if you want to near-exclusively play gilgamesh (in fact it's pretty normal for people to have one or two comfort-aspects) that's perfectly fine, but understanding how damage in hades works (or at least knowing by heart the meta-builds that exist for every aspect, and try to understand what makes these builds strong on the aspect in question) can still help you scale your damage in some cases even if the aspect isn't one to usually use that particular choice.

[vast raven]

^ as well as improvising on the spot for certain aspects of your end build

[rustic vale]

Tdash goes to 70 after first pom if it’s epic

It’s +21 damage

[lavish sorrel]

y'all know pom- / rarity-scaling for boons other than ares attack?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

First pom arte strike is +8%

[lavish sorrel]

when has this been relevant

[rustic vale]

first pom for zeus aid is +20

[rustic vale]

always

pom scaling for lightning strike goes +4 / +3 / +2 / +1

iirc the first pom for high voltage is +24%

yeah

[lavish sorrel]

I'm impressed

[rustic vale]

the fact that I know high voltage but I can’t remember if razor shoals is +5 or +6

ik jolted is +36

hm is +20%

[autumn marsh]

Isn't high voltage sort of mid, or did I miss a memo? I probably did, I usually do

[lavish sorrel]

opens orang

[mint coral]

[rustic vale]

it is sort of mid but I was doing some funny stuff with it

[autumn marsh]

Doesnt double strike also do that and is just better?

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1404271453838376971/High_Voltage.mov?ex=68d29cf4&is=68d14b74&hm=62509d61acf29ce62bc01018bcacc595bda7e1fad55b19fc5a2c82fd2d090403&

[autumn marsh]

HA

[rustic vale]

598 unit radii

snurst is 600

[autumn marsh]

Jeez almost at distant memory radius for that

[old bluff]

I used to know all the flood flare poms from lvl1-5

im washed now sadly

[rustic vale]

yeah but idk the double strike poms off the dome

shoals is +6

I was also wrong about hunters mark that’s +12

Aside from that everything else checks out

[mystic lark]

Doesn't that mean that all this time Zag could've just chilled in the water like a merman

https://i.imgur.com/WQN2Aq8.jpeg

[grim wadi]

Hi guys, I heard hades 2 is coming soon so I might try to play some hades 1 again. I only had maybe 30 or so hours and beat the game a dozen times on increasing heat level. Which heat level do you guys think is just right for the average noob player that isn't too hard like max heat? Also since the game has been out , would you say the game has enough build diversity? I heard some people said speedrunning you need to use a similar strong build but for casual play can I just do anything and be fine?

[old bluff]

There is a tonnnn of build diversity in hades in both speed and heat

[rustic vale]

Most average players do the 0-20 heats to get the bounties, and maybe do one successfull 32 heat attempt to get the statue. The game has a solid amount of build diversity, and for casual play you can use whatever

most aspects only have 1-2 builds for speedrunning because they’re just faster yk but since time isn’t really a necessity casually

[grim wadi]

What are the bounties again? Been awhile since i last played so i forgot some terms

[rustic vale]

bounties are the specific items bosses drop

like meg dropping titans blood

they’ll only drop that item once per heat level (per weapon) up to 20 heat

after that they just drop darkness and gemstones

[grim wadi]

ahh

[rustic vale]

pretty much everything is viable from 0-32 heat for casual gamers I wouldn’t be concerned

ofc there are options that will just be stronger but nothing forces you to use them

[rancid ember]

All weapons are viable regardless of level of investment (excepting maybe one or two that you're DRASTICALLY harming yourself with if you use at low level) but with basically any weapon if you run with a terrible build you're gonna have a rough time unless you're very good at the game

There's a reason Fresh File runs are such a drastic challenge and it's as much to do with lack of keepsakes (including, especially, the god keepsakes) as it is everything else combined

[old bluff]

it's more of a lack of mirror, but ye

also

should I play hades

it's been a minute

[rustic vale]

Yes

[old bluff]

will do boss

[vast raven]

no, bad game play skong instead

[old bluff]

I don’t have skong yet

I wanna replay hk first

[rustic vale]

why play skong when Slime Rancher 2 comes out tomorrowww

[vast raven]

why play when comes out tomorrow

[rustic vale]

why play when I accidentally slept through one of my greek history classes and I want to catch up

[buoyant bough]

How come my Pierced Butterfly keepsake is not increasing in damage when doing the Temple of Styx chambers, but one of my Charon buffs that only lasts a certain amount of encounters is decreasing?

[rustic vale]

butterfly and plume are unique cases that only count the very last chamber of styx tunnels

every other “encounter” or “chamber” counting feature in game counts them as such

[buoyant bough]

Ahhh alrighty, thanks for the information! Does it say that anywheres in game? I tend to miss things often.

[rustic vale]

No it doesn’t

[vast raven]

it never says it directly

[buoyant bough]

Oh okay fair enough

[rustic vale]

You never missed anything

[buoyant bough]

I guess it makes sense. Butterfly would increase a ton from styx tunnels

[rustic vale]

It’d just be way too easy to rack up a damage bonus or a dodge chance/movespeed bonus equivalant to a nearly perfect rest of your run

[buoyant bough]

Yeah definitely!

I've just reached 20 runs and have not beat Hades yet 🙁

Am I buns

[rustic vale]

eh

average is 20-80

[buoyant bough]

On my 12th run I got him halfway through 2nd phase then got got

I only had 1 death defiance at the time. If I had another I would of probably got him

Anyways thanks a lot for answering my question!

[rustic vale]

You’re welcome

:)

[stone osprey]

didnt that come out like 2022

[steady topaz]

Sup chat I’m new to the server and started hades a couple days ago 49 runs or smthn in and I beat hades 7 times once with each weapon and twice with the spear

[rustic vale]

it comes out in like tomorrow

[steady topaz]

W slime rancher fan

[stone osprey]

im so confused

[rustic vale]

the full release

1.0

September 23rd 2025

It’s been in early access

[steady topaz]

I’m on Xbox one so I can only play it on cloud gaming 😔

[rustic vale]

Nice

[stone osprey]

ohhh gotchya

[steady topaz]

Yeee thx 🙂

[stone osprey]

cuz it came out early access in sept 22, '22

ty

[steady topaz]

Ngl I love running shield and gauntlets the most they just feel really nice to play

My quickest times tho is 27 minutes with sword and spear dunno if that good or not

[rustic vale]

uhhh

in the grand scheme of things not really

but you’re also really really early

[steady topaz]

Makes sense lol

[steady topaz]

How is 7 clears early?

[rustic vale]

you aren’t even at the credits yet and that’s like

It’s early

[steady topaz]

The only keepsakes I’m missing is hades and Persephone and the summons

[rustic vale]

if you were to get all the bounties for all the weapons that’s 126 clears and that’s just getting all the titans blood you can

[steady topaz]

lol true I got a long while

[rustic vale]

there are 21020 voiced dialogue lines in game and you’d only get through a fraction of them

there’s just so much to Hades

[steady topaz]

That’s why hades is peak

[rustic vale]

I recently fully 100%’ed my save file and I’m what uhh

at least 550 hours into that save file

[steady topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-hades-game-god-of-the-dead-final-boss-underworld-gif-3764125846903974554

[rustic vale]

Tbf though if you didn’t count resource director ranks it would’ve taken a third of the time

not even

[steady topaz]

I got like 1 day and 9 hours in

[rustic vale]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-binding-of-isaac-isaac-rougelikes-rougelike-gif-26541159

[steady topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[steady topaz]

lol I definitely don’t have a skill issue I beat it 7 times in a row or smthn 🤔

I checked in the record room u buy for 2 gems

[rustic vale]

My streak is never high

[steady topaz]

What’s your favorite weapons to run?

[rustic vale]

That’s what resetting for a better speed start will do to you or eternally trying to punch above my weight class in high heat

bow and rail > spear and fists > sword and shield

For personal enjoyment

That’s not a ranking of strength or anything of the sort

[steady topaz]

W dusa sticker she’s my favorite character

[steady topaz]

Noice I like how too I run the special auto target aspect for it don’t really like the gun but I love using the shield and sword and gauntlets

I don’t have any of the hidden aspects yet sadly but I’m tryna get em so I’m gonna be running spear for a while and keep talking to Achilles plus that other dude in elysium since I haven’t been doing their dialogue since I haven’t been using Achilles keepsake but it’s really good

[rustic vale]

myrmidon bracer and good in same sentence

[steady topaz]

Well in my opinion it’s good I mainly use boneys charm

Bros cool I like his accent

I already unlocked his heart thingy so three more nectar or ambrosia and I complete his affinity

[rustic vale]

oh word

[steady topaz]

Yeee 👍

[rustic vale]

I didn’t know you could forge a bond with him that early what

[steady topaz]

🤷

[rustic vale]

oh his favour is killing him with a maxed zag sword nevermind

you can get that really early

[steady topaz]

Yee Wich I did

[steady topaz]

It’s super easy to do too since completing a run with each weapon gives u 10 blood

From the Fate list

I just been loving hades W game plus roguelikes are peak

[rustic vale]

Yeah I had just forgotten the favour requirement

[rustic vale]

It’s just so peakkkk

[steady topaz]

Fax

[rustic vale]

going from speedrunning to high heat is pain thou

[steady topaz]

Also I beat Charon with like basically no boons with I believe either the gun or the spear 🤔

[rustic vale]

Taking the charon fight really early is often the best play

[steady topaz]

Yeee for early power buff

[rustic vale]

you have nothing to lose, and when you win you get a 20% discount for pretty much the entire run

it’s like snowball scaling the earlier you take it

[steady topaz]

Wich is pretty good even tho bro sells an item for like 1k at the very end Wich is hard to get for me since I like spending my money

[rustic vale]

it’s 50:50, 1k for diamond or 1.2k for a titans blood iirc

[steady topaz]

Rip

[rustic vale]

I might have the prices swapped

I haven’t paid attention to it in years

[steady topaz]

I def ain’t buying that I’m better off doing the bounties with heat

To start off with 1 heat im just doing the 20% more enemies in normal encounters one it’s been good so far for me nothing I can’t handle

[rustic vale]

Tight deadline is a pretty ez take

so are extreme measures 1 & 2

[polar aspen]

By the gods, Dionysus is one of the best characters
"Well, would you just look at yourself, Zag! You are like a walking stockpile of Ambrosia, aren't you? Taking the best care of it, at that. I knew I could count on you, but... <Sniff> I didn't know I could be just so proud of you, you know, man?"

[steady topaz]

I mean ig but I hate being rushed in games especially that one final fantasy one with the doomsday lock I loath that game

[steady topaz]

W fr

[rustic vale]

tight deadline is way lighter than it sounds

[polar aspen]

I have like roughly five or six bottles of Ambrosia I think, I can't remember off the top of my head

[rustic vale]

all the extra time you have carries over

And when you hit 0, you don’t die outright

[steady topaz]

I like dionysus he gives good boons too

[rustic vale]

you just start losing hp at 5hp a second

[void vigil]

The first rank is a generous 36 minutes iirc

[rustic vale]

yep

[steady topaz]

Eh I might do that then 🤔

After I’m done doing all the bounties again on one heat with that one easy pick I chose

[polar aspen]

"Oh, you're really too much for me sometimes, you know that, man? Got to tell you, I don't think I ever felt so close to somebody so damn far away. But through the gift of drink? It's like we're with each other in spirit, all the time, you know?"

True

[steady topaz]

W line ong also his boons make for some hella good duo boons

[polar aspen]

Oh absolutely Dionysus is always the life of the party

It just sucks that his boons aren't really going to help unless they're duos LOL

Though I suppose I should look into doing a hangover bow build

[void vigil]

I got very used to rank 2 (is that 20 mins?) so if I play casually I still get close like 23 on avg.

[steady topaz]

This one time I did a bow build with the Hera aspect yknow the special auto target one its op instant 5 stacks

[polar aspen]

Easily my favorite bow build is crush shot exit wounds

[rustic vale]

2 is 28

3 is 20

My average run times have gone down and down now most of mine around around 9-11 minutes

[steady topaz]

Noice 👌

[rustic vale]

[steady topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-hadesspin-zagreus-zagreushades-hadesgame-gif-3357168464476899738

[polar aspen]

Damn mine are still around 20 minimum

[steady topaz]

Spinny

[void vigil]

Ahhh ok, 3 then. I have been told 🧐 my heat setup is strange and unusual

[rustic vale]

when I was playing more casually I got mine down to an average of 13-15

[polar aspen]

he always wanted to be a Ballerina~

[steady topaz]

lol

[polar aspen]

But nooo~ his father had to put him in the administrative chamber lol

[steady topaz]

Frfr

[polar aspen]

I used to have a lot of trouble with the bow until I unlocked aspect of Hera LOL

[steady topaz]

Hera aspect definitely helps a ton

[polar aspen]

Mostly in the sense of having to aim and move with the analog stick

[steady topaz]

I like the dash attack for bow since it feels like it charges faster than normal attack and with Hera u can just spam special to wipe enemies once u hit em once with attack

What keepsakes do yall like running?

[rustic vale]

god keepsakesss

get my build together

then bone hourglass to parade around buffs for years

[polar aspen]

I usually start with Aphrodite to get crush shot and then I'll pivot in asphodel to either Poseidon or Artemis

Depending on whether I already have Tempest strike or exit wounds

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[rustic vale]

dash strikes on bow charge 50% (3/2’s) faster than standing strikes

[steady topaz]

lol I usually never run god keepsakes so it’s all just the luck of the draw for me

[polar aspen]

If I don't have either I usually go for Poseidon but I've been thinking about trying to get Artemis first so I can make sure I get exit wounds early

[rustic vale]

Part of what makes Hades so fun to me is the building aspect like

[polar aspen]

Yeah I used to just stick with Achilles brace for a while before this one above me taught me a bit more about how boons work

[rustic vale]

making the best decisions I can

at every given point

[steady topaz]

This one run I got like 4 duo boons with like Athena and Artemis and some other ones I forget it was a peak as hell build ong

I think it was with shield or smthn

Now that was a fun time

[polar aspen]

There was one run I had where I got about four or five duos

Mostly Dionysus ones

[steady topaz]

lol nice he’s cool

[rustic vale]

I hit one recently

let me find it

[steady topaz]

Dionysus and Demeter got good duos

Also I was wondering do yall use godmode or nah?

[rustic vale]

Nah

[polar aspen]

I think it was
Exclusive access
Ice wine
Scintillating feast
I think vengeful mood but I don't quite remember exactly

I have file four set for God mode but I haven't tried it yet

[rustic vale]

Defeats the purpose of playing high heat or speedrunning personally

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[steady topaz]

Those are definitely good ones I’m pretty sure I’ve gotten those

[polar aspen]

I still have one file I'm saving and to try and beat the first run

I'm at a bit of an impasse at the moment with that file

[steady topaz]

What are y’all’s mirror setups looking like

[rustic vale]

Found it

[steady topaz]

Why u at an impasse?

[steady topaz]

W

[polar aspen]

Just having trouble getting past the room I'm in

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1411959106629144656/86B080E2-45E7-4E7B-ACF4-69FA5E33D2EE.jpg?ex=68d2e523&is=68d193a3&hm=1f26272067182a256cb40ce34b0d3ac692b911c68433a8310f35f8355d78ab93&

[steady topaz]

Wich room u stuck on

[polar aspen]

I can't remember exactly what it is I think it's the butterfly ball mini boss

[rustic vale]

there that’s like 4 duos and a legendary

[polar aspen]

Damn nice man

[steady topaz]

Ah that one their definitely a tough one

[steady topaz]

Fr W

[polar aspen]

Well you got also remember that file I'm doing it on my very first attempt

You know when you start a new file and you're playing your very first run with nothing

[rustic vale]

freshfile

[steady topaz]

I see u was running a Artemis Aphrodite ares mainly build 🤔

[polar aspen]

Thank you I couldn't figure out what the best way to phrase it would be

[rustic vale]

Tidal dash was huge here too

the damage of tidal dash is jus ttoo insane to let go

[steady topaz]

Yee Poseidon def got good boons

[rustic vale]

Hunting blades was a side effect that helped out a lot

[polar aspen]

Either that or the butterfly ball mini boss with a different file I tried it on, I also had trouble with another one with the Gorgon miniboss

[steady topaz]

I love pairing his attack boon with the shield and then those other boons that are like 200% more damage for hitting barriers and whatnot

[steady topaz]

Yeee gorgons definitely pretty tough u gotta deal with being stoned and then also getting smashed by those weird jumping bone looking thingies

I never died to her tho 🤔 maybe like once? Or maybe not on my first few runs

[polar aspen]

Say Shackle what would you say would be the best build to make use of merciful end because I've heard it's a really good duo boom when done right

[rustic vale]

freshfile is a gngshow

[rustic vale]

Doom strike + divine flourish (only to get the duo) and then you get divine dash so all your dashstrikes inflict doom and immediately deflect to drop it

[steady topaz]

Divine dash definitely peak

[rustic vale]

that’s the typical build you aim for in freshfile btw too

Since you can only see ares/athena/artemis/dionysus, it’s kind of your only option for solid builds when you have no hammers and no hermes

[steady topaz]

I like that one duo boon for ares where your revenge effects automatically trigger without getting hit

[polar aspen]

I will keep that in mind for next time I attempt to fresh file

[steady topaz]

And also no Demeter I don’t think?

[polar aspen]

Devender doesn't come for a little while in

[vast raven]

demeter only unlocks once you beat the game once

[rustic vale]

well no demeter is a shoe-in when I literally said you can only see 4 gods

[steady topaz]

Yeee

[polar aspen]

Yeah not until you actually see her daughter Persephone

[rustic vale]

no demeter is available as soon as you reach the surface

[steady topaz]

How come u can’t see Hermes tho?

[rustic vale]

You don’t actually need to escap

[polar aspen]

Oh so you can die to Hades and still encounter her

[vast raven]

ah, been too long 👍

[polar aspen]

Pretty sure the first time I made it to the surface I actually did kill Hades LOL

[rustic vale]

He works differently from all the other gods so they hold off before they let you meet him

[polar aspen]

First time I tried out the shield as well LOL

[steady topaz]

Oh interesting 🤔

[steady topaz]

W shield

[vast raven]

same thing with hammers, the game doesnt dump too many of the aspects of a run in the first few runs

[steady topaz]

Have u checked out Zeus aspect for shield yet?

[polar aspen]

That is my preferred aspect

[steady topaz]

Same lol

[rustic vale]

Hermes is like if a regular god, chaos and a hammer had a love child

Like chaos, he has no core boons / no call / no pommables and he has worsened rarity odds

Like regular olympians you can sell his boons and he has legendaries, and counts for family favourites

and like hammers, you can only pick up 2 (3 from a 50:50 in styx shop) boons from him in a run

[steady topaz]

I love the hammers tho I like the one for spear where u swap out spin attack for super quick attack pair that with the triple strike and length plus distance damage one and u sailing

[polar aspen]

#h1-victory-boasting message

In game says it took an hour, that's because I stepped away for a while and forgot to pause LOL

[steady topaz]

Rip

[rustic vale]

Flurry jab best (achilles and zag) spear hammer

[steady topaz]

Fax

Flurry jab def one of my fave hammer buffs

Rn I’m using Achilles aspect since the damage buff is lit 🔥

[polar aspen]

Pretty much flurry anything is great

[rustic vale]

hold your horses there

flurry jab and flurry shot are great, flurry fire is like decent and then flurry slash is actively harmful

[steady topaz]

Dusa best girl without a doubt >:]

[rustic vale]

Artemis :Þ

[steady topaz]

Besides her

Artemis definitely a W

Love me some crit chance

[polar aspen]

Dusa will always be my special little Gorgon girl~

[vast raven]

what about eris

[steady topaz]

Fax

[rustic vale]

wrong game

[steady topaz]

lol fr

[vast raven]

shhhh shes still in the game technically

[rustic vale]

True

Hestia bestia

[steady topaz]

W Hypnos pfp btw I like them their always so cheerful

[vast raven]

ty ty

[steady topaz]

I seen Hestia on YouTube I’m watching retromation play and the ones that stick out to me are Apollo and hestia

[rustic vale]

uhhhh

olympusextra?

[steady topaz]

Dunno 🤔

[vast raven]

aspect of hestia for the rail?

[steady topaz]

Nah hestia goddess of the hearth in hades 2

[polar aspen]

.. duly noted Hestia does appear in the sequel

Did not know that

[steady topaz]

Sorry does that count as spoiler?

Or does only story spoiler count 🤔

[polar aspen]

I mean technically considering you're talking about the sequel in the first games Channel..

[steady topaz]

Ah Lol rip

[polar aspen]

But I'm also not super familiar with the rules here

[steady topaz]

Same I just joined

[polar aspen]

I personally have been trying to keep relatively in the dark about the sequel

At least until I actually beat the first game

[vast raven]

h2 related stuff should usually be kept to the h2 channels personally id say all h2 related stuff are spoilers if mentioned in the h1 are wrong? also stickybot is no longer active either 😔

[rustic vale]

for the most part just keep any mention of anything h2 over in h2 like

[steady topaz]

Aight 👍

I forget tho what does hestia rail aspect do?

🤔

[rustic vale]

Manual reload into big sniper shot

[steady topaz]

Ooh nice

Sound fun

[vast raven]

empowered shot once manually reloading for the shot immediately after

after maxed out its 150 base power

[steady topaz]

Noice

That’s pretty good

[rustic vale]

mhm

all the rail aspects are tbh

[steady topaz]

Probably scales a bunch with boons too 🤔

[rustic vale]

like Hestia and Eris are definitely a different level but you can’t go mid with rail aspects

[steady topaz]

I’ll check those out since I don’t really like playing rail

[vast raven]

lucifer rail exists 😔

[steady topaz]

Oh yeah true

[rustic vale]

🫠

[vast raven]

in my hour or so of throwing 50 heat attempts on it i never made it out of tart

[steady topaz]

🪦

[rustic vale]

My 40 heat attempts made it to elysium

[steady topaz]

Noice

[vast raven]

so for the time being ima just be sticking to getting my dem fist 50 heat done with

[rustic vale]

I got my 32 heat clear with Luci so fast that I refuse to submit that for aotw

[steady topaz]

I love using the gauntlets they pretty lit all punchy punchy and whatnot

[steady topaz]

Sheesh

[vast raven]

i had (and still kinda do) an unbridled hatred for fists in general would much rather play 3 of the 4 bow aspects, hestia, zeus shield, and zag sword

[rustic vale]

Maybe the real high heat luci meta is just building lightning phalanx and the friends we made along the way

[steady topaz]

lol Zeus builds do go pretty hard 🔥 his call is a good one in my opinion plus his boons pair well with Zeus aspect shield

[vast raven]

#h1-victory-boasting message yep

[steady topaz]

Noice

I still haven’t gotten companions but I’m like 3 hearts away from getting boneys

I’ll probably also get dusas once I spruce up the lounge a bit more

[feral thunder]

hmmm

i figured out how to get the family favourite perk past its 4 gods + hermes limit

using a keepsake to force a gods boon that you dont have

yay for +30% damage increase

[steady topaz]

Huh?

[steady topaz]

Wich keepsake

[feral thunder]

just

[vast raven]

any god keepsake

[feral thunder]

any of the god ones

[steady topaz]

Oh cool

[feral thunder]

🔥

[steady topaz]

Ngl I’ll probably use Persephones once I get it since it’s so busted

[vast raven]

sadly the extra 5% isnt worth the worse god consistency 😔

[feral thunder]

i suppose

im running artemis, aphrodite, ares, demeter and poseidon rn

[steady topaz]

Noice those are good ones

[feral thunder]

oh and hermes too but hes just kinda there

yay +1 dash

[steady topaz]

Why no Athena tho TwT

[feral thunder]

she wasnt in my pool

if i had the option id happily swap poseidon for athena

[steady topaz]

If I remember Artemis and Athena got pretty good duos plus Athena and Poseidon but I forget

[polar aspen]

I just got two Ares duos back to back

Curse of loathing and Curse of nausea

[steady topaz]

Noice

I like ares boons

[rustic vale]

Mfw I decide to trade my build consistency (the source of my damage) for +5% global additive

[steady topaz]

lol

[feral thunder]

it was more to test if it was even possible tbh 💔

wanted to see if the 4 god limit was a hard limit or not

[rustic vale]

it’s very much not

you can hit all 8 in two different ways

you don’t even need to use keepsakes to break the 4 god pool

[steady topaz]

Do yall like running the double boon rooms?

[rustic vale]

you can walk into a shop with 3 gods, buy a 4th and exit into a 5th god

[steady topaz]

And don’t forget meet 2 different gods in the double boon rooms

[rustic vale]

It’s bad for speed 99% of the time so not often for most of my gameplay

[rustic vale]

Those can only be gods you already have

[steady topaz]

True lol

[steady topaz]

Well I like running em since it’s 2 boons in one room

[polar aspen]

By the gods, lady Aphrodite, giving me two boons at once
parting shot and low tolerance

[steady topaz]

W Aphrodite moment

[rustic vale]

They’re nice for hitting your build pieces if you don’t care about speed

[steady topaz]

I don’t care much for speed so yay for me

Like I said before I loath that one final fantasy with the doomsday clock like lemme just play the dang game at my own pace 😭

[rustic vale]

I mean when I say speed I don’t mean you have a death timer on you

I mean speedrunning

[steady topaz]

I mean that’s aight I guess I think the only game I’ve speed ran is resident evil biohazard and maybe bayonetta since I one time got to like difficulty 12 on it somehow 💀

[gentle venture]

I’m about to leave tartarus with 300 health already?

[steady topaz]

Dang fr? That’s cool 😎

I usually can leave Tartarus with 175 or 200 if I’m lucky or if I choose to go through heart doors

But I mainly focus on boon doors and whatever other doors I need

[latent moon]

generally no bc more boons makes it harder to pom the good boons lol

and also a lot more dangerous for little benefit most of the time, especially in higher heats

[gentle venture]

About to fight the champions of Elysium with 493 total health

Now 500

[latent moon]

helth

[gentle venture]

entering styx

Stubborn defiance, touch of styx dark

Extreme measures four

Gilgamesh

Aphro attack, common level three
Zeus special common level one
Athena rare dash level one
No cast
Epic Dionysis call

One charge of thanatos left

Completely forgot to change my keepsake, so we have mother’s pom

Even still?

I feel pretty untouchable

568

Touch of styx dark has run out

Upon revival, I would have 170 health

[steady topaz]

Ah lol alr well u just gotta know Wich gods have worse attacks like if it’s between Athena and any other god I chose the other god cus her attack isn’t even that bad it’s just a radius sometimes that turns enemies invincible Wich ain’t even that bad

[gentle venture]

Things are not looking ideal after phase one

[steady topaz]

Rip

I usually like to save 200 gold for a death defiance in Charon well or talk to that one dude who gives you all your death defiance back in Elysium

[gentle venture]

I use stubborn defiance, instead of death defy

In this case, that will actually be my downfall, usually it’s actually why I succeed

However, that’s also assuming that I lose

[latent moon]

i mean yeah some are better than others, but it's still incredibly inconvenient and dangerous when they're dealing double damage, attacking faster, and have various beneift packages perks up lmao

[steady topaz]

It seems good one death defiance per instance but I like having more than one life

[latent moon]

and also like 3 waves since i think trial rooms are always 3 waves?

feels like it anyways

[steady topaz]

True lol

[latent moon]

i've only taken a trial at high heat like once or twice bc i really needed 1 boon or more boons for UC fodder

i'm not that good enough at high heat to consider it more often lmao

[steady topaz]

Ah well I’m pretty early game since I’m only on heat 1 but I’ve beaten hades 7 times in a row once with each weapon and 7th time with spear again on heat 1

In a row as well I think 🤔

[gentle venture]

I request words of encouragement
I have two phases left of the extreme measures four final battle
I currently have 172 health
And one stubborn defiance, which will take me back to 170 health
I am using Gilgamesh
Friends give me strength

[steady topaz]

Good luck bro ur gonna need it 👍

Extreme measure 4 is pretty tough

[latent moon]

just don't die 👍

[gentle venture]

I have come so close before

[steady topaz]

Yeee that too

[latent moon]

what build do you have

[gentle venture]

I would argue that I did way better before