#h1-discussion
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If you want consistent crit uhh
+30% nem sword
+15% attack
+40% cruel thrust
+20% deadly reversal ig
If you want permanent crit on a good move instead just mod the game 
Yes
Hunter’s mark can easily enable this at like epic rarity with a pom or two
High rarity hunter’s mark + a pom + something that already has a crit chance
I am committing the sin of greed
hoarding slash build?
not really a build
Just having fun with it lol
Holy crap I have 1.6k
that's a lot of extra damage
sword hammer, you get extra damage equal to 5% of your gold
As a note, is added at the end of the dmg calculation
So even without accounting for the downside of not spending gold is not even that much dmg
It’s not enough
ok but
saying that like i'm voluntarily doing math
it's funny
essentially hoarding slash doesn’t get multiplied by anything though
It’s always just adding that raw number at the end
0.05 times your money
Yup
Tbh
If you’ve got a good thing going you can easily punch up to like
3000-5000 obols
that would be so sad
I've centered this whole run around it
I ain't risking losing it lol
around hoarding slash?
yeah
Haven't spent an obel
(I already won by the way)
hell yeah
hello world splitter
idk i just saw a hammer discussion and wanted to share my hate towards world splitter
have a nice day
Oh hate
I’m generally not supportive of world splitter
The only cases are like
You have to know what you’re doing with it
World splitter slander
Not on my watch
😔 😔 😔
It takes like an hour to learn and after that, congratulations, you have a sword build that only needs a single high % attack boon and the hammer to work
Good in high heat, good in low%
i cant say ive used all that many weapon variants but i have to imagine aspect of nemesis stygius is probably the best one
any joy in my life is quenched by the existence of the bone hydra
nem is the best sword, yes. however, overall, the swords are all medicore at best.
Rail overall
All of them except sword and fists have particularly good aspects though
Real tbh
Really??? Rail seemed boring and kinda average
Dem is just eris
I don't like needing to stand still to do damage
Eris and hestia are both S tier aspects
Luci is like a high a tier
You can dash strike on rail
Unfortunately I've run out of titan blood from bosses and I've only just unlocked fishing
Rail also doesn’t need aspects to be good
And for some reason they don't let you refund titan blood like they do darkness
You technically can. It's called leaving before the next save
how does the rod of fishing work? are there specific spots i can do it?
Yeah, itll pop up in certain chambers
you'll hear a ding sound at the start/end of a chamber indicating there's a fishing spot
Youll hear a ding after u clear it
is a glowing orb in the water
also, is the alternate dash upgrade worth it? over the extra dash?
Nooo 😭
in most cases no
generally is used with the shields as bullrush can work as a pseudo dash
or the fists's hidden aspect
which gives you +2 dashes by default
but that aspect has its own issues
oh yeah how do you get hidden aspects?
it seems weird to me that so much of the game still isnt even unlockable yet when ive literally reached the final boss
Uhh it becomes available only after u clear the main story i think
#h1-story-discussion pinned messages
hidden aspects only require you reach dad, not beat
the big locks don't require beating him either
huh, i should have them then
the last normal keepsake you see does require it tho
you might not have all the pre reqs
or luck issue if you do
After looking at the pin i mightve had major luck issue
that godforsaken teleporting witch in tartarus is the worst boss in the game
happens
the big locks will help with most minibosses armor once unlocked
which makes a lot of them free
(not every big lock tho)
so do i need to reach hades again to unlock that stuff?
gift ambrosia to specific characters
which involves gifting them enough nectar then doing a favor for them to allow ambrosia gifting
i think ive done that with charon
the characters are ||meg/Than/Dusa/Achilles/sisyphus/skelly||
but then i traded my ambrosia for treasure
oh it doesnt matter for charon anyway
charon is the only person ive given more than one nectar to and its because im hoping he'll give me discounts
You can get discounts but bribing isn't gonna work 
and how does one get discounts
Oh wait
That's one thing you need to beat dad iirc
Basically after beating him there's a chance a bag of gold spawns in his shop
it has come to my attention that i have a broken build
every time i use my special i was chunking like 10% of tisiphones health
🗿
minotaur is actually peak
i think the only boss ive no hit so far
theseus though
is the most annoying aimbotting run-ending little pest ive ever seen in a game
he still is
twice in a row hes ended a good run by sniping me across the map
genuinely stupid boss
Use the damn pillars
im trying
so I've just learned that escapes can have titles
one of mine was "swimming in cash", another was "favored and envied"
and now I really wanna know all of them lol
why is fishing such a bad mechanic
the game never tells you what to look for
and it shows up like once every other run
ding
I can consistently get at least 2 in most of my winning runs
on the average run i reach the end of elysium and die to theseus, the little gnat that he is
well there's a specific noise you end up hearing at the end of an encounter that signifies that there is a fish
you probably just haven't gotten used to that sign
i know the sound
There is literally an intro section to fishing when you unlock it
Like
No I was super confused by fishing at first too
Your first boon is Huge Catch and there is immediately a fishing spot in the room
I kept pulling on the first bob and thinking WHAT DO YOU MEAN TOO EARLY
i sometimes close my eyes and wait for the sound like some fantasy master
I meam
Audio cues are a really solid way to do it
Since for most humans the ears will transmit the audio faster than the eyes transmit the video
It can help if you’re aiming for perfect catches
i don't know what it is but i always either missed or got perfect catch, but if some people struggle or hate it there are always mods for that
I mean the rest of the rules of thumb for fishing that help you determine when it’s the real bobber also really help
didn't know there was a normal catch until i saw it on a YouTube video
Regular catches are when you catch within 2/3’s of a second of the real bobber, Perfect catches are 1/3 of a second
0.68s vs 0.34s
but other than does it actually make a difference? like fish rarity or something? i beat the game twice and still haven't seen all the fishes
Yep
Regular catches give you a 50:50 between common fish for that region and rare fish
Perfect catches give you a 50:50 between rare fish and legendary fish
not perfect fish
Legendary fish
I’m having like 8 freudian slips here
maybe mine is bugged bc when i started the second file in hellmode i had the fishing mod but i could swear some fishes stopped showing up
Honestly I always try to just tell people the rules of thumb that help you determine if the next bobber is a real bobber pre-emptively before I even consider mentioning a modded game (if modding the game even comes to mind)
honestly my only real compliant about the game is that resources take wayyyy too much time to grind
also maybe wrong place to ask when does h2 come out? if you don't know could you point me to the right channels if you don't mind me asking
I don’t think it has a scheduled release date yet
It’s still in beta

XD
what is the best eurydice option
she is, i believe, unequivocably the best npc you can meet in the game, but idk which of her options i should be taking
Refreshing Nectar is the name of the rarity boost for your next 3 boons yeah?
It’s refreshing nectar 90% of the time
If you’re willing to savescum or just have a low boon count and have 2 boons that scale really hard with rarity then that can be the play
how tf are you supposed to avoid damage from these tiny chariot things in elysium???
not every weapon has a long range option built in and cast is a terrible option
dashes
my dashes dont deal damage rn
If you don’t have td on just kite the enemies and cast every so often
Give to the cook in the lounge for resources
it honestly depends have soild boons with good rarity? pick the poms level option, got a few boons but that your builds center s around the first option might be better, but other than that the refreshing nectar is the one you should go to most of the time
you bait them first the you dash through walls specifically bc they blow up when hitting walls
does yarn of ariadne stack with the refreshing nectar?
damn
but it still good snice it still doesn't get wasted at least
THESEUS
WORST BOSS
hate
three times in a row hes killed me by just being an annoying little gnat
what kind of boss design is holding up a shield and throwing spears?
congrats was my favorite but now Demeter just seems stronger especially with Artemis on special
Attack him from the back and hide behind pillars when the crosshair show up bro
You'll rarely ever outrun the spear. And from what I can see, you didn't get the dash timing. So when you see he's about to throw it, you just sit around a pillar and wait
Theseus acts as ranged support for Asterius.
If I had to guess, without the shield he would be way too easy considering how slowly he attacks you.
im doing all of the things youre saying
unfortunately hes a little pest and that doesnt work forever
Have you considered Artemis (best girl)’s Cast?
True Shot bypasses shield
I’m more annoyed by shield shades being a common enemy type
Have you clicked divine dash
wait can you deflect his spear
Ye
i gotta go more into athena boons
Also is the issue with theseus for you after asterius is killed or mid fight
hes easier further away
he still gets little jabs off when im fighting asterius but he only becomes a real issue when i have to run him down and kill him
If you stand in his face he often tries a spin attack instead
hate that too
Which you can just dash through then hit him while he recovers
generally hate spin attacks
my instinct is usually to dodge through them to get past their attack
which doesnt work when theyre also swinging behind them
Wait do you know how the dash iframes work
Dodging itself has full iframe except the very end
But doing any attack cancels the iframes immediately
i swear ive pressed dodge before an attack and still been hit right at the start
https://youtu.be/tcPheYu3CZQ sending the heroes fight vid
You can see better the timing I have for his spin move
Also showcase of how busted acorn keepsake and call iframes are lol
i had acorn and it got stolen by some weird projectile attack from the minotaur hitting me 3 times
He starts throwing them at half hp
Happens on the leap attacks and the finisher of his 3 swing combo iirc
yeah i know the attack i just got caught by it at a bad time
and it hit me 3 times
which was the weird part
Y'all tell me an aspect and a build to try on it
So Beowulf and Hera have more or less the same gimmick?
Similiar but not the same
Beowulf has all its casts swapped for flares
Alternate versions of the casts
And has a lot of bugs (beneficial and unbeneficial but controllable)
you like Artemis because you like crits and hard hitting calls
I like Artemis because she’s GREEN
We are not the same
“Hard hitting calls”
Are we really allowing green fetishists on here ?? what has become of this channel
I like artemis for crits and personality, her call does not remotely factor into that decison

wasn't she the reason why we have circular birthday cakes?
Those don’t exist
No clue tbh
Never heard about her remotely relating to birthday cakes
i think birthday and birthday cakes existed before her, but some story about someone offering the goddess Artemis a cake at the shape of the moon for her birthday, is the reason why birthday cakes are mostly circular
Build I need to try sometime:
-Aspect of Hera
-Trippy Shot
-Fully Loaded
-Mirage Shot
-Grasp/Shot from Chaos (Optional but ideal)
I just unlocked beowulf, so that sounds like a plan
does it still need to be trippy shot for the bug?
Trippy Flare has a funny bug
Lovely, can't wait to try it out
the bug is that trippy flare while on beowulf, gets double the value from poms
trippy flare on hera doesn't get it because
/shrug
Dio Beo is the best in the game for funny number
I doubt I have room for it in my hypothetical build but I need to know
Does that stack with Sweet Nectar
Yes
Trippy Flare, Grasp, Requirements for Fully Loaded, Conch Shell for Asphodel
Chat am I getting the Dionysus nuke first try
Prereqs for mirage shot
I have all the prep, I just need it to show up in Elysium
How does a bug like that even happen lol
No relevant boons showed up in Elysium, hopefully the temple has them? Please?
Yeah no the two main things I was after did not show up
you can reroll into a Legendary/Duo right?
yes
Setting up for arty's legendary is just a disappointment waiting to happen
Also was this with legacy or pride
Honestly
The flares were some of the last things added and beowulf was mainly being used with special builds atp
So a lot of it flew under the radar
It’s possible the trippy pom added line was just thrown in a second time or something
PLS HELP
second hermes boon offers me EPIC rush delivery (i have hyper sprint) AND rare greatest reflex
I'm on nemesis, WHICH ONE SHOULD I TAKE
both are SO GOOD
should i just hope to get a third hermes boon for greatest reflex and just take the epic rush delivery???
idk what to do
now do 16 heat 
and then 32 for the funnies
Stubborn Roots, Calculated Risk, AND Unshakable Mettle
I got all 3 of em
and i didnt even tried
This is SO cursed
Sooo
Could aspect of arthur kinda counteract high confidence? 😭
Im trying to fulfill the prophecies and stuff, so i wanna clear w all the mirror talents
But arthur just seems so slow?
I got it this time
Yeah
For future reference, if you have hyper sprint or any other +bonus speed, you pretty much always take rush delivery. The only case I can see not taking rush delivery in this case is if you have Arthur sword which might take too long to attack and you lose your bonus speed
Arthur should be using dash strikes anyways for a speed context
But yeah +dashes are really nice for a standing strike build
chunking 👍
it gets much easier with time but like I'm talking about 300 runs or so for me and i think i can take 40 heat or more (barely), for me haelian YouTube vide helped out a lot
Im just really bad at video games lowkey 😭
Gang
But idk, this game is built different, even after finishing the main story im kind of addicted
Sup gang
Same and same
Ngl it is really really slow
finally triumphed over ||father|| with aspect of hera
I asked it and no one responded
Give me a random aspect and build to try on it
An aspect AND a build guys please
You got both
Talos and hunting blafes
does artemis dash and other attack boosts like aphro attack work on hestia rails base damage or the boosted reload damage?
Whichever is active
150 is the base damage for the empowered shot
okay ty
You need to attack after a dash for the dash strike damage to boost though
What do you mean here? Does<dash><attack> quickly work? Or do I need to <dash>...wait for dash to be (almost?) over ...<attack>?
After you dash, you can immediately attack to trigger a dash-strike. If you wait until the end of the dash, there's a small window for it
Though I'd advise against relying on this window and just stick to dash and attack immediately after
Note if you’re dash striking on bow you’ll still end up doing the bow charge-up
Unlike the other weapons where the dash strike comes out like immediately
you still need to hold it down to charge it up
it’s a faster charge for slightly less damage, but it makes bow significantly better
What’s rely funny about this window is it means you can dash-strike and dash-upper of the same dash on fists
heylow
I'm back with more skill issue
twin shot
explosive shot
chain shot (fates)
Twin shot is goat but chain shot isn't useless
Gilga tech only basically
Actually
It’s mainly for the other fists
As far as I know the debuff that gilga has to it’s dash strike speed means that isn’t possible on it
That weapon had other aspects this whole time?
well at 0 heat the bosses are my only real concern I think
Might as well take chain shot for fates tbh like
There aren’t too many cases where it’s the only bow hammer you want
Chain shot is remarkably inconsistent
chain shot is remarkably a mid bow hammer like
Twin shot and explosive tho
Half the hammers are better than it and half the hammers aren’t
This may be a sign to switch to fated authority
If the game hates you this much
lol
that's never the play 
the cast is pretty funny tbf
although all things considered
I wanna try
huh
I could purge all 3 of her boons if I wanted
screw it
doomed run anyway
may as well have some fun
also is hades 2 gonna be switch 2 exclusive (just asking the one question here cause it's I don't wanna see anything about hades 2)
No
phew
once 1.0 releases it'll first release on both switches and pc
other consoles not yet planned
Okay
doing a silly Zeus Sword special build
anything i need to know? special damage buff do nothing for the thunder ect?
I'm slowly feeling like hades is my favorite game just, in general, so I'm glad I'll still get to play hades 2
when is it coming out anyhow?
also question
if you could change any one thing, not add, not remove, change, what would you do?
flat damage doesn't directly boost the base damage
so yeah you'll have the base special damage and the action itself with summon 45 damage bolts
Dialogue system. More important dialogue, especially those that progress the story, needs to be able to skip the queue. Was not a big fan of having to do so many runs just to get filler dialogue out of the way.
A more minor change would be that starting an escape attempt saves the game RIGHT BEFORE you start the attempt instead of when you enter the training chamber
Just got wrecked by poison
feeling..
owch
are you kidding me
exclusive access (yay)
wait a second
oh
it's for my last boon
AAAAAA
dang it
I got the restore health with no defiance boon
I thought hey I can just camp
hands
skelly you jerk
I’m so glad that hades 2 fixed this it sucks
More portrait art for dialogues honestly. I love the art and I want to see more of it
aren't zag and persephone the only ones with more noticeable portrait changes?
well besides hades, theseus, and astarius, but those are a different case
ehhh i think Megaera and Than also had portrait changes, but only after you romance them
def dialogue system for me
But yeah, more of those would be nice
Artemis def had some portrait changes
I'm luckily on the camp of "never had issues with it" but the thousand of "why doesn't X quest progress" posts don't help
Than, Nyx
oh I’d also like a way to try hammers on Skelly
Okay Zeus special is bad, never got double strike
Also, is the hit twice special upgrade like
not causing 2 lightings to hit consistently?
whats up with that
Do you know about lightning internal cooldowns
Lightning bolts have a 0.2s cooldown
per source
so if you hit again before that cooldown expires then it doesn’t spawn one
This is why zeus special sucks on chiron
it would otherwise be OP?
Yeah
Chain Lightning from Zeus strike only has a cooldown of 0.15s
Oh notably support fire has the same 0.2s cooldown
Oh boy I got (Boon I used a keepsake on so I can build around it)! I sure hope the game doesn’t avoid giving me (Boon’s god) for the rest of the attempt in favor of gods that do nothing for my build!
I have a switch
every run 😔
every single run
Me when outlier case
Also
If you’re pissed off at the game showing you other gods the best thing you can do is immediately swoop up gods that’ll make the Olympians you’ve taken boons from equal 4
Instantly doubles your odds at seeing the god you want show back up
If i go fight charon with the timer does the timer go down while fightiung him ?
Yes
i swear i struggle much more fighting Charon than hades
plus hera boons (Olympus extra) just does the same thing but easier, do modded runs count for the high heat strategies or victory boasting channels?
You can put them into victory boasting
It’s just a place to post victory screens
High Heat hades is a little weird when you’re using modded content outside of the speedrun modpack because it’s something that people aren’t necessarily familiar with
cool cause the other day i got an amazing run with hera and Ares, hera has a curse effect that if hit with another god curse effect it gets doubled so you just put hera and Ares on special and attack with aspect of nemesis
i think it was one of my fastest runs
and most importantly super fun as well
those channels are really casual so as long as you mention the mods used it's fine
This sounds like it could easily get broken with Merciful End ngl
Just sell your divine flourish and take whatever they called Hera’s flourish
nope it's stronger version basically
Does it immediately drop any status effect damage and not just double it?
yep
Bruh

So this status curse just innately does twice the impact of what a duo boon that was so strong in the base game that it was nerfed to only being findable with ares/athenas strike and special boon
with just the baked in Hera effect
but as to avoid the same overpowered combo merciful enddash with Athena the hera dash lays traps with a cooldown instead so having her dash doesn't work
still op
What I was suggesting was Ares strike (Athena special -> Hera special) Divine Dash lmao
no it wouldn't work
and i forgot the order but it needs to be on the special or attack specifically
you’d still end up with the status effect on 50% of your dash strikes and merciful end for the other 50%
i think the attack specifically
So only the strike inflicts the debuff out of strike and special?
no bc the status description says if the status is striken with another status the other status effect gets doubled so you want to start with the hera flourish than Ares strike which will remove it and double the ares attack damage, i think thats the right order
both do
Yes so what I’m implying is, since the main ME weapons, sword and fists, both have their special as a part of their dps rotation
It goes dash strike 2x -> special rinse repeat
you could inflict this debuff in between with your special and still get the value of ME out of it
yeah it could be the other way around what idk if it makes a difference
well
It’s more like
The ending special of the combo sets up your next combo
Even take Merciful End out of the picture
Sword and fists could easily just run a build that has roughly the same damage output as ME but with only the ares strike and hera special here
since you double your next doom damage and drop it immediately
which is the same as immediately dropping 2 dash strikes worth of ME doom
Honestly all i could think about in the run is biggg number go boom, and that gave so much dopamine
but her character and voice lines are soo annoying ( it's on purpose no shade to the voice actor) i hate her so much
is character as annoying in Greek mythology?
Uh
If anything she’s ticked off because her husband has been a serial cheater since before they were married
like
he’s been sleeping around for thousands of years and has 8 trillion demigod children
yeah i only know one story about her with Dionysus mother and causing her to burn to ash, but kinda justified
But she is rather a prick to the sons of Zeus rather than to Zeus himself a bit of the time (case in point Heracles)
was she the one that sent the snakes?
either way she should take out her anger on Zeus not me, like what did do to you lady?¿!?
Yea
And she set up the rest of his life too
The 12 tasks
damn she evil
Putting his cousin in charge of him
didn't know that i thought that something he decided or the gods together
||both phases?||
yes
GG then
i had at least 295 health
Congrats
partaking in a most wonderful merciful end run atm
ares attack at level 7 with impending doom and divine dash
on talos
Yikes
Aspect of Hades is my favorite so far
I followed Lee Reamsnyder’s suggestion of maxing out Zag fists and using Hermes keepsake the entire time. I tried it on 0 heat to start off but it wasn’t that bad. I think I only failed to clear 2 or 3 rooms in time. Had like 42% dodge chance in the end. I couldn’t get Zeus on attack, which would’ve made it easier but I did get Demeter’s attack and her boon that kills Chilled enemies at 10%. Got some fun dialogue from her at the end too.
Also friendship with Aphrodite/Artemis call ended, now Zeus call is my best friends
So does Smoldering air just render Hades’s call useless?
It might be incompatible but I haven’t tried
Afaik
Smouldering Air becomes useless
Hades call still can go to max gauge
And charges like normal as if you didn’t have the boon
Oh, that’s interesting
That’s from quickly checking previously sent messages on the topic
Not personal experience
and honestly Nyaanyaa Mewmew is someone I’d heavily trust on Hades info so
I’m pretty sure she’s right
is incompatible in the first place as mentioned
to get it you need to first get smair, sell your call then equip dad's keepsake
and iirc that just blocks your call at entirely
prevents you from using dadcall at all 👍
ok I have more than 5 aspects
why haven't I found anything about the first 4th aspect?
Repeatedly talk to Achilles at this point
They’re 5 non-zag aspects last I checked
And then Achilles eventually hits his rng dialogue
The instructions are pinned in #h1-story-discussion and you may just be suffering from rng dialogue if you’ve fulfilled them
oh wait non zag?
crap
ok got 6 not zag aspects
yay
bro
I'm using aspect of zeus
and i got
sudden rush
breaching rush
explosive return
ok yall
E return > breachin & sudden
ER is the strongest zeus hammer by a pretty good margin
o h
is dio's aid any good?
I have demeter :c, zeus, Athena, and dio
Dio and zeus sit holding hands with the best dps calls in the game
upon using dios call
I agree
altho it seems like dio is better in short calls
while zeus is better with his greater call
Zeus is better minicalling too
o h
well uhh
good to know lol
The only ones that really use them are aphro and arty
I mean
And they are worse cuz of that
arty feels like it'd be a lot better against theseus and astarius as minicall
A lesser call arty is like a pommed up cast lol
Greater calls are worse in general cuz in the time it takes 1 to full charge you could have sent multiple lesser calls already
Can also use lesser calls for iframes
Keep up the buffs of billowing strength/second wind
It doesn't go to waste if the boss becomes impervious shortly after the call or dad decided to use darkness
Arty minicall is only ever worth for defensive purposes
Otherwise you’re sacrificing 50% of the damage that call guage could’ve provided you 😔
wait I'm stupid
Meanwhile on calls like dionysus and zeus a single call provides a far more efficient damage to call gauge used
wrong god
and just smooths out your dps and prevents you from wasting a huge chunk of your call gauge against break points
Aphro greater call is good cause sometimes she goes “You’re going to love this” before nuking the boss lol
The other good thing about zeus and dio being minicall focused is you can use them in regular rooms to no downside
Oh did you mean aphro lol
yea
The only call I’ve never tried is Athena call
It doesn’t do dmg though does it?
yeah but free invincibility time just lets you reign free without care
Yeah but it doesn't interrupt your weapon like ares (lol) or pos
if you've played rama you can also treat it as a "free power shot on activation"
how long does Athena last?

Everything deflects I think as well
Leveling it up increases the time
d-does Hades get stronger after the 12th win?
ah. Then, IDK I guess I was just slower than usual or something
(aka using the pact of punishment)
how can I get defiance from chaos?
I hate this game
just get lucky
i got it in my 130ish run
dude
I am 272 runs in man
we all do
Check his prerequisites, I think you need a chaos boon for it to have a chance to appear, also run gods legacy so it’s more likely to appear
oh that sure
Neither God's legacy (nor any rarity buff increase) works for their legendary sadly
i js got that one sword aspect so i can finally make demeter cast good
in theory of course
which sword?
except the egg right?
so basically I am screwed
I’ve gotten it a handful of times in 800 or so hours
It’s fairly rare so I wouldn’t focus on it
you are making it worse
I mean I am doing mirrorless runs
so I really don't go near chaos
I don't heal much and chaos is well chaos
sometimes you get pain and nothing in return
Hi all, Switch player thinking of getting the PC version so I can achievement hunt, does Hades need a good PC? I have a bit of a Potato laptop that wasn’t made with gaming in mind
Might take some hits to fps but it’s not a super demanding game
Check the minimum and recommended specs on steam
Yeah and its pretty accessible
Most can do it within 100 hours and there’s 100s if not 1000s more hours of replayable content after that
the only achievement you may find a little tedious is maxing out all the keepsakes, if you don't get at it right away you have to grind styx tunnels for a while
It’s really easy to run
You can use cards and cpus from over 10 years ago
And very little ram or storage is needed
I took the plunge lol
Don't forget you can sync your switch and PC saves if you do ever get it on PC
so uhh
can confirm
cursed slash causes anxiety
thank god for the anvil
also uhh
It’s just a bad hammer like plain and simple
do I need to spoil things?
Not here
cool
You only ever need spoilers in #h1-for-new-players
ok
cause I just reached the credits
and uhh
that run was not beating hades
so umm
shocking moment lol
Classic
thing is, in concept, I love cursed slash
Run 10 either scrapes by or wins by q lot and can't use the build
but it just doesn't work
I wonder how much better it'd be if it worked on dash strikes
IT DOESN'T
It’d be significantly better but hard to quantify
OHHHHHHHHH

but yeah
Sword hammers strike againp
Shadow slash also doesn't work on dash strikes while we are on that
Was about to ask if it at least was before hermes lmfao
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME
Hey it’s not that bad of a boon
You’re just getting it at really inopportune times
oh no I love the idea
it's just annoying
this is the second time now
Haven't gotten it before styx yet
seems really good otherwise
while on the topic tho
I can imagine one of two things
A. it upgrades any common or rare boons to epic
B. it removes common or rare boons from the pool, allowing for the duo and legendary boons to have better odds
lol
also github wiki?
Prob cold embrace/unshakeable mettle/calculated risk
Pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat
good to know
is it only the roguelike aspects? or does it also include story type stuff/diologues
Yeah I just use the fandom wiki for the favors
Gameplay wise it still has some mistakes here and there and I find it annoying to navigate
it seems like I see the same couple people in this chat lol
well that's Fandom
It do be like that
Game's 5 years old 😔
And the rest is playing hades 2
why does dusa always fly away when I give her stuff :c
also it feels like it's setting up for zag to be rejected
THAN GET BACK HERE I WANNA GIVE YOU NECTAR DANG IT
The second isn’t how it works really?
Cuz that’s imagining that it’s all one pool that it’ll take out of
In actuality the game rolls for different categories of boons and then grabs one at random from the pool it ends up picking from
Ie. Checking if you have cores open to automatically make the first boon option a core boon, then checking if it’ll roll a duo boon, then it checks for status boons (iirc) then it goes to generic secondaries
and then it determines the rarity of the boon if it’s not a duo or legendary
You can also use to this note that the game gives priority to core boons if they’re available, and boons that make that core inflict status curses on applicable gods (artemis, zeus, poseidon, athena)
Hey! I just started playing again after a long break and I've got to say. 1 I somehow am better then I was before I left 2 Aphrodity and artimes are so broken. I do not remember %boons being this much better then status boons
I mean it’s kinda just math for +% boons having their place on the harder hitting slower weapons
and flat damage having a better use on faster strikes or specials
But I think it's also fair to say that percentage boons are more flexible. I'd much rather have Artemis/Aphro on a fast weapon than flat damage on a slow weapon

"Mostly better on average" yes, broken no. You can do amazing builds with other gods.
(also I do think it's more about aphro and Artemis specifically being easier to get very straightforward "now kill faster" builds out of, whereas dio/ares take a little more work, upgrading, etc)
Hangover just takes a trillion poms and ares… ares needs a lot of leg work put in
There's a reason that "screw it, just all the Zeus" is a super-viable strategy
I suppose but that’s really clinching hard on static discharge for anything that isn’t fast
oh, for sure
My main point is just to try to say, 1. aphro/artemis are arguably top-tier but other percentage gods aren't, and 2. they're not that much better, just have a faster/simpler ramp up
Getting one of them on your main damage in room 1 is huge while getting dio in room one is yawn
You want broken? Let's talk divine dash 😆

“Broken”
Idk man as
Diviine dash is solid but it’s definitely not breaking anything
A lot of builds will take tidal dash over or instead of divine dash because damage output is another form of damage reduction
Aside from like Merciful End when divine dash is straight up necessary for it to even function
Honestly merciful end is my least favorite build... I can never get the dang thing
That is like a trademark of the build
It by far needs the most boons of any conventional build
But it’s just so strong that it warrants it
Sure you need ares strike, athena special and divine dash
and then the duo itself
and you might as well throw in Impending Doom because that nearly doubles your damage
It should get nerfed more 🙂
is it just me or is hermes weirdly rare
Hermes works differently
You can only get 2(3) boons from him
2 boons naturally, plus a 50:50 in Styx for him to be in the first slot Charon shop (the other 50% chance is the anvil)
He is also exempt from the normal god pool rules and mechanics
You can always get Hermes in a run, where you (under natural, normal circumstances) can only have boons from 4 regular olympian gods
GUESS WHO I JUST FOUND
he was in the shop though so I couldn't get his trinket qwq
Lament of Orpheus is still Peak
Disagree tbh
can you put world splitter on aspect of arthur?
that's why he doesn't have any duo boons
he's different from all the other olympian gods
Was so close to getting bad call, only needed like 25% more on the last call meter
I cheesed this one with one respawning enemy in third zone
@rustic vale I forgot to equip aph charm before going in with Hestia gun, what's a good alternative for attack?
Any +% strike should work
Artemis, Athena, Demeter
gotcha, thanks
Going with that, I assume the shotgun hammer upgrade is ideal?
For Hestia? No
For Hestia you just want hammers that give your single shot more aoe like ricochet or explosive or piercing
Or special hammers
You can reload it manually so you just disregard the rest of the clip
Honestly the main aspect that’ll really ever use spreadfire (the shotgun hammer) is Zag rail which does do a solid job of using it
After finishing the prophecy I can't see myself using Spread Fire ever again
It’s genuinely really solid on zag rail tbh
You just pump out 40 base damage shots
i haven't gotten dark thirst on the stygian blade in like 12 runs is this a feature
probably 15 actually
Yeah it's called RNG
6.4% odds are still… within the bounds of reality
RNG can make you the joke sometimes
whatever more than 15 💔
you have to have a rather high number of runs without it being sword for it to actually get out of reason
let me check the statistics rq
Even at 50 consecutive runs without it hitting sword you’re looking at roughly 1 in 10000 odds
sorry 1 in 9100
Rounded my decimals a bit too much
take your methylphenidate or whatever it is 💔
Why does that bot keep messaging lol no one is talking Hades II
they gotta fix that
It doesn’t check the contents of messages
i blocked the bot 2 days into this server
it cant be that hard to find the hades 2 channel right
Oh it can
When H2 was first put into early access it was every 5 minutes someone would stumble over here
Im sure there are people who just dont look lol
do we have a date for that
No?
ok thanks gang
It’s far too early in H2’s development I believe tbh
i wouldnt know
I almost bought H2 EA but I decided to try to 100% H1 on Steam lol
I just know that they’re still fleshing out how deep the H2 npc’s dialogue goes because there’s no way the release the game with like 3 relationship dialogues for a bunch of characters
I meant relationship dialogues
Cuz whenever I check the Hades wiki for an npcs favour I end up seeing the amount you can gift them in both games and a bunch of the npcs seem to only have like 3 giftings
or 4
Which is how I judged that they’re probably still fleshing out a bunch of npcs
makes sense makes sense
Boot up the game, kill skelly 15 times, leave game
lol
I had the perfect build, but I didn't get the satyr sack until the fifth room and ended up failing to get out the door to the Hades fight just after handing Cerberus the sack 
Stupid tier 3 deadline
do hermes boons affect the shattered shackle
it would be pretty cool and awesome if they didn't
they made ares hotter than aphrodite, TROJAN WAR TWO!!
Shackle only cares if you have a core boon in that slot
thank you shackle

and shackle
Phlegothon boiling over
ic
so I'm using aspect of demeter
seems pretty fun
(upgraded it quite a bit)
the hammers I got were
Heavy knuckle
colossus knuckle
flying cutter
I can imagine some fun builds with specific gods
ok nobody is answering so imma decipher this myself
obviously not heavy knuckle
a whole double base damage seems great
but being sturdy (plus that one being fated) makes me wanna go with it more
I keep dying to Hades for some reason
Very frustrating spending 20-ish minutes getting to him just to die several runs in a row
It’s take Colossus Knuckle here
Heavy Knuckle is counter-intuitive on Demeter, Flying Cutter changes the special’s movement and makes it a little annoying
also it seems like dash strikes charge the special, that right?
Yep
wonderful
Also
?
Demeter adds singular hits of any of the specials
so if I get dio for example it hits multiple stacks?
So your basic standing special does two 30 damage hits, and then you’d add 5 more 30 damage hits for a total of (210)
But the dash upper is a singular 40 damage hit
(altho I'm not sure how practical that'd be)
And demeter’s upper adds five 40 damage hits for a total of 240 base damage
You can do the rest of the math for the special altering hammers
Dio special demeter is utterly impractical
makes sense
It’s just a waste of good base damage
wanna go pure damage with it I suppose
I have zeus and ares rn tho :c
and I'm in asphodel
Haven't seen any other gods yet
any recommended ones tho?
For demeter umm
Assuming you have zeus strike rn it’s be aphrodite special and tidal dash and either zeus or dionysus call
Whatever you come across at this point
Forcing in gods after asphodel is kinda really awkward
I assume you mean call?
With ares strike you’d rather do a strict Merciful End build
Freudian slip
Did mean zeus/dio call
sounds silly
yeaaa
prob a bad idea
altho isn't demeter generally the highest raw multiplier?
ah
Athena and demeter are tied for second on strike, then poseidon
well I've gotta take a boon :/
For special, it’s aphro > poseidon > dem & athena
but like
You can disregard poseidon tbh
The game prioritises giving you cores when you still have some open
Like the first boon option is guaranteed to be a core boon if you have anything open
doesn’t matter you can throw aph on something else
yea fair
You couldn’t’ve known
Aph provides special damage here, but it’s also weaken and opening Smouldering Air w/ zeus
So you can take a different aphro core and still benefit
From the other 2
Dash ideally atm
Then you can apply weak on your dstrikes
kk I got dash
and it's rare so
wahoo
also
got heroic ares cast
30 damage per hit
40% boost from chaos
prob hits like a truck
especially with 3 casts
i have 1 heat
and I did extreme measures so it'd basically be a normal run
also the furies fight is easy lol
Things that do actually hit like a truck generally still hit like a truck at 32 heat lmao
fair
Like
You don’t take the 3 enemy durability pacts until
Hades has 17k per hp bar
also those blades are going to spin right through him without hunting blades
Don’t get me wrong, ares cast can be strong, but here it’s a rather far far way
well either way
I honestly don't use cast too often so it's pretty low risk
and it's still fun to see number go up
The main times to go for casts are a) to prok boiling blood on bulky targets (minibosses, bosses)
Or b) on a castpect that can make good use of them
like achilles at max level has a baked in +150% additive damage to strikes and casts
before you add any other damage boosts your casts are doing 2 and a half times their base damage
wow
festive fog go brr
It’s a lot more consistent boon and dps wise to shoot for like hunting blades or lightning phalanx but yes
Festive fog do go burr
Or like Hera can make great use of Crush Shot (aphrodites cast) by finally giving it the range and speed it needs to be good
You’d never use the cast otherwise because it’s so dangerous compared to the pay-off
But Hera fixes every issue with it
(honestly this is the first game discord that doesn't make me feel stupid for not understanding things right out the gate)
I try
lol
And honestly most of the other long-time people here do try, especially
sometimes it genuinely is hard
ngl
lol
to explain stuff to people that just aren’t getting it