#h1-discussion

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mint coral
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Pom up hunter's mark

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If you want consistent crit uhh

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+30% nem sword
+15% attack
+40% cruel thrust
+20% deadly reversal ig

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If you want permanent crit on a good move instead just mod the game bouldy

rustic vale
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Yes

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Hunter’s mark can easily enable this at like epic rarity with a pom or two

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High rarity hunter’s mark + a pom + something that already has a crit chance

placid coral
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I am committing the sin of greed

indigo badge
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hoarding slash build?

placid coral
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not really a build

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Just having fun with it lol

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Holy crap I have 1.6k

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that's a lot of extra damage

hoary aspen
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i'm so bad at hades 😔

indigo badge
mint coral
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As a note, is added at the end of the dmg calculation

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So even without accounting for the downside of not spending gold is not even that much dmg

rustic vale
hoary aspen
placid coral
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it's funny

rustic vale
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It’s always just adding that raw number at the end

hoary aspen
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0.05 times your money

rustic vale
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Yup

hoary aspen
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yeah i know

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sounds good

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i will just make more money

rustic vale
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If you’ve got a good thing going you can easily punch up to like

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3000-5000 obols

hoary aspen
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sisyphus my goat

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my beautiful boulder king

placid coral
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so uhh

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I found an anvil

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uhhhh

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hm

indigo badge
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goodbye hoarding slash

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hello double edge 🤑

placid coral
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that would be so sad

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I've centered this whole run around it

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I ain't risking losing it lol

fierce junco
placid coral
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Haven't spent an obel

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(I already won by the way)

fierce junco
final hinge
final hinge
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idk i just saw a hammer discussion and wanted to share my hate towards world splitter

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have a nice day

rustic vale
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I’m generally not supportive of world splitter

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The only cases are like

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You have to know what you’re doing with it

stiff obsidian
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Not on my watch

lavish sorrel
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Good in high heat, good in low%

feral charm
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i cant say ive used all that many weapon variants but i have to imagine aspect of nemesis stygius is probably the best one

feral charm
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any joy in my life is quenched by the existence of the bone hydra

lavish sorrel
feral charm
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the swords all seemed pretty good to me

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whats the best weapon type then?

fervent radish
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All of them except sword and fists have particularly good aspects though

stiff obsidian
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fists ontop

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i mean rail

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oops

fervent radish
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Real tbh

feral charm
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Really??? Rail seemed boring and kinda average

fervent radish
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Dem is just eris

feral charm
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I don't like needing to stand still to do damage

fervent radish
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Eris and hestia are both S tier aspects

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Luci is like a high a tier

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You can dash strike on rail

feral charm
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Unfortunately I've run out of titan blood from bosses and I've only just unlocked fishing

fervent radish
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Rail also doesn’t need aspects to be good

feral charm
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And for some reason they don't let you refund titan blood like they do darkness

harsh scroll
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You technically can. It's called leaving before the next save

feral charm
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how does the rod of fishing work? are there specific spots i can do it?

snow hemlock
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Yeah, itll pop up in certain chambers

mint coral
snow hemlock
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Youll hear a ding after u clear it

mint coral
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is a glowing orb in the water

feral charm
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also, is the alternate dash upgrade worth it? over the extra dash?

snow hemlock
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Nooo 😭

mint coral
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in most cases no

feral charm
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ok i thought so

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i guess if you get a dash upgrade from hermes it becomes worth it

mint coral
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generally is used with the shields as bullrush can work as a pseudo dash

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or the fists's hidden aspect

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which gives you +2 dashes by default

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but that aspect has its own issues

feral charm
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oh yeah how do you get hidden aspects?

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it seems weird to me that so much of the game still isnt even unlockable yet when ive literally reached the final boss

snow hemlock
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Uhh it becomes available only after u clear the main story i think

feral charm
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oh

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those locked things at the bottom of the gifts menu too?

mint coral
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hidden aspects only require you reach dad, not beat

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the big locks don't require beating him either

feral charm
mint coral
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the last normal keepsake you see does require it tho

mint coral
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or luck issue if you do

snow hemlock
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After looking at the pin i mightve had major luck issue

feral charm
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that godforsaken teleporting witch in tartarus is the worst boss in the game

mint coral
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happens

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the big locks will help with most minibosses armor once unlocked

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which makes a lot of them free

mint coral
feral charm
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so do i need to reach hades again to unlock that stuff?

mint coral
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gift ambrosia to specific characters

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which involves gifting them enough nectar then doing a favor for them to allow ambrosia gifting

feral charm
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i think ive done that with charon

mint coral
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the characters are ||meg/Than/Dusa/Achilles/sisyphus/skelly||

feral charm
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but then i traded my ambrosia for treasure

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oh it doesnt matter for charon anyway

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charon is the only person ive given more than one nectar to and its because im hoping he'll give me discounts

mint coral
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You can get discounts but bribing isn't gonna work dusa

feral charm
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and how does one get discounts

mint coral
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Oh wait

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That's one thing you need to beat dad iirc

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Basically after beating him there's a chance a bag of gold spawns in his shop

feral charm
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it has come to my attention that i have a broken build

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every time i use my special i was chunking like 10% of tisiphones health

stiff obsidian
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🗿

feral charm
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minotaur is actually peak

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i think the only boss ive no hit so far

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theseus though

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is the most annoying aimbotting run-ending little pest ive ever seen in a game

feral charm
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he still is

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twice in a row hes ended a good run by sniping me across the map

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genuinely stupid boss

mint coral
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Use the damn pillars

feral charm
placid coral
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so I've just learned that escapes can have titles

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one of mine was "swimming in cash", another was "favored and envied"

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and now I really wanna know all of them lol

feral charm
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why is fishing such a bad mechanic

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the game never tells you what to look for

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and it shows up like once every other run

placid coral
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ding

placid coral
feral charm
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on the average run i reach the end of elysium and die to theseus, the little gnat that he is

placid coral
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well there's a specific noise you end up hearing at the end of an encounter that signifies that there is a fish

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you probably just haven't gotten used to that sign

feral charm
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i know the sound

placid coral
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oh

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rng issue then Ig

solid glen
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Nah a decent chunk of my fish are in styx

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So it makes some sense

rustic vale
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Like

solid glen
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No I was super confused by fishing at first too

rustic vale
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Your first boon is Huge Catch and there is immediately a fishing spot in the room

solid glen
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I kept pulling on the first bob and thinking WHAT DO YOU MEAN TOO EARLY

hollow tusk
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i sometimes close my eyes and wait for the sound like some fantasy master

rustic vale
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Audio cues are a really solid way to do it

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Since for most humans the ears will transmit the audio faster than the eyes transmit the video

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It can help if you’re aiming for perfect catches

hollow tusk
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i don't know what it is but i always either missed or got perfect catch, but if some people struggle or hate it there are always mods for that

rustic vale
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I mean the rest of the rules of thumb for fishing that help you determine when it’s the real bobber also really help

hollow tusk
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didn't know there was a normal catch until i saw it on a YouTube video

rustic vale
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Regular catches are when you catch within 2/3’s of a second of the real bobber, Perfect catches are 1/3 of a second

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0.68s vs 0.34s

hollow tusk
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but other than does it actually make a difference? like fish rarity or something? i beat the game twice and still haven't seen all the fishes

rustic vale
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Regular catches give you a 50:50 between common fish for that region and rare fish

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Perfect catches give you a 50:50 between rare fish and legendary fish

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not perfect fish

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Legendary fish

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I’m having like 8 freudian slips here

hollow tusk
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maybe mine is bugged bc when i started the second file in hellmode i had the fishing mod but i could swear some fishes stopped showing up

rustic vale
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Hmm

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Idk

rustic vale
hollow tusk
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also maybe wrong place to ask when does h2 come out? if you don't know could you point me to the right channels if you don't mind me asking

rustic vale
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It’s still in beta

valid coral
hollow tusk
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and you too creepy hypnose

valid coral
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XD

feral charm
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what is the best eurydice option

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she is, i believe, unequivocably the best npc you can meet in the game, but idk which of her options i should be taking

rustic vale
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It’s refreshing nectar 90% of the time

feral charm
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damn

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i took the 2 rarity upgrades one

rustic vale
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If you’re willing to savescum or just have a low boon count and have 2 boons that scale really hard with rarity then that can be the play

feral charm
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how tf are you supposed to avoid damage from these tiny chariot things in elysium???

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not every weapon has a long range option built in and cast is a terrible option

rustic vale
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dashes

feral charm
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my dashes dont deal damage rn

rustic vale
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If you don’t have td on just kite the enemies and cast every so often

feral charm
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what do i do with fish

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i caught a chlam and have no idea what to do with it

mint coral
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Give to the cook in the lounge for resources

feral charm
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god i hate the twin fists of malphon

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they fall off so hard

hollow tusk
# feral charm what is the best eurydice option

it honestly depends have soild boons with good rarity? pick the poms level option, got a few boons but that your builds center s around the first option might be better, but other than that the refreshing nectar is the one you should go to most of the time

hollow tusk
feral charm
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does yarn of ariadne stack with the refreshing nectar?

feral charm
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damn

hollow tusk
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but it still good snice it still doesn't get wasted at least

feral charm
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THESEUS

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WORST BOSS

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hate

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three times in a row hes killed me by just being an annoying little gnat

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what kind of boss design is holding up a shield and throwing spears?

fallen otter
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just beat hades for the first time!

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with malphon

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magnetic special

hollow tusk
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congrats was my favorite but now Demeter just seems stronger especially with Artemis on special

harsh scroll
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You'll rarely ever outrun the spear. And from what I can see, you didn't get the dash timing. So when you see he's about to throw it, you just sit around a pillar and wait

copper sedge
feral charm
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im doing all of the things youre saying

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unfortunately hes a little pest and that doesnt work forever

copper sedge
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Have you considered Artemis (best girl)’s Cast?

feral charm
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i love artemis and her boons

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i wish they gave more bonus damage but crits are swag

copper sedge
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True Shot bypasses shield

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I’m more annoyed by shield shades being a common enemy type

mint coral
feral charm
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wait can you deflect his spear

mint coral
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Ye

feral charm
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i gotta go more into athena boons

mint coral
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Also is the issue with theseus for you after asterius is killed or mid fight

feral charm
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hes easier further away

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he still gets little jabs off when im fighting asterius but he only becomes a real issue when i have to run him down and kill him

mint coral
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If you stand in his face he often tries a spin attack instead

feral charm
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hate that too

mint coral
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Which you can just dash through then hit him while he recovers

feral charm
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generally hate spin attacks

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my instinct is usually to dodge through them to get past their attack

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which doesnt work when theyre also swinging behind them

mint coral
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Wait do you know how the dash iframes work

feral charm
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not particularly

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i just assumed itd be similar timing to dark souls

mint coral
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Dodging itself has full iframe except the very end

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But doing any attack cancels the iframes immediately

feral charm
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i swear ive pressed dodge before an attack and still been hit right at the start

mint coral
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You can see better the timing I have for his spin move

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Also showcase of how busted acorn keepsake and call iframes are lol

feral charm
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i had acorn and it got stolen by some weird projectile attack from the minotaur hitting me 3 times

mint coral
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He starts throwing them at half hp

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Happens on the leap attacks and the finisher of his 3 swing combo iirc

feral charm
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yeah i know the attack i just got caught by it at a bad time

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and it hit me 3 times

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which was the weird part

harsh scroll
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Y'all tell me an aspect and a build to try on it

copper sedge
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So Beowulf and Hera have more or less the same gimmick?

rustic vale
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Beowulf has all its casts swapped for flares

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Alternate versions of the casts

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And has a lot of bugs (beneficial and unbeneficial but controllable)

zinc trellis
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you like Artemis because you like crits and hard hitting calls

I like Artemis because she’s GREEN

We are not the same

rustic vale
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“Hard hitting calls”

hollow tusk
rustic vale
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I like artemis for crits and personality, her call does not remotely factor into that decison

zinc trellis
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Greater call anyway

hollow tusk
rustic vale
rustic vale
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Never heard about her remotely relating to birthday cakes

hollow tusk
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i think birthday and birthday cakes existed before her, but some story about someone offering the goddess Artemis a cake at the shape of the moon for her birthday, is the reason why birthday cakes are mostly circular

copper sedge
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Build I need to try sometime:
-Aspect of Hera
-Trippy Shot
-Fully Loaded
-Mirage Shot
-Grasp/Shot from Chaos (Optional but ideal)

mint coral
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do it on beo for funnier results

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you get one more funny bug

copper sedge
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I just unlocked beowulf, so that sounds like a plan

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does it still need to be trippy shot for the bug?

rustic vale
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Trippy Flare has a funny bug

copper sedge
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Lovely, can't wait to try it out

mint coral
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the bug is that trippy flare while on beowulf, gets double the value from poms

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trippy flare on hera doesn't get it because

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/shrug

old bluff
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Dio Beo is the best in the game for funny number

copper sedge
old bluff
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Yes

copper sedge
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Trippy Flare, Grasp, Requirements for Fully Loaded, Conch Shell for Asphodel
Chat am I getting the Dionysus nuke first try
Prereqs for mirage shot

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I have all the prep, I just need it to show up in Elysium

zinc trellis
copper sedge
copper sedge
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you can reroll into a Legendary/Duo right?

old bluff
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yes

mint coral
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Setting up for arty's legendary is just a disappointment waiting to happen

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Also was this with legacy or pride

rustic vale
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The flares were some of the last things added and beowulf was mainly being used with special builds atp

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So a lot of it flew under the radar

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It’s possible the trippy pom added line was just thrown in a second time or something

inland flint
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PLS HELP

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second hermes boon offers me EPIC rush delivery (i have hyper sprint) AND rare greatest reflex

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I'm on nemesis, WHICH ONE SHOULD I TAKE

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both are SO GOOD

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should i just hope to get a third hermes boon for greatest reflex and just take the epic rush delivery???

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idk what to do

snow hemlock
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Aaaaaa

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Just cleared 8 heats for the first time

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For skully’s trophy thing 😭😭

final hinge
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and then 32 for the funnies

glacial bolt
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Stubborn Roots, Calculated Risk, AND Unshakable Mettle

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I got all 3 of em

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and i didnt even tried

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This is SO cursed

snow hemlock
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My skill level could never

snow hemlock
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Sooo

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Could aspect of arthur kinda counteract high confidence? 😭

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Im trying to fulfill the prophecies and stuff, so i wanna clear w all the mirror talents

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But arthur just seems so slow?

knotty lodge
rustic vale
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I mean

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It depends on how much additive you have

fervent radish
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But yeah +dashes are really nice for a standing strike build

hoary aspen
hollow tusk
# snow hemlock My skill level could never

it gets much easier with time but like I'm talking about 300 runs or so for me and i think i can take 40 heat or more (barely), for me haelian YouTube vide helped out a lot

snow hemlock
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Im just really bad at video games lowkey 😭

stiff obsidian
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Gang

snow hemlock
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But idk, this game is built different, even after finishing the main story im kind of addicted

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Sup gang

stiff obsidian
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Same and same

rustic vale
hoary aspen
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finally triumphed over ||father|| with aspect of hera

harsh scroll
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I asked it and no one responded

Give me a random aspect and build to try on it

hoary aspen
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uhhhh uhhhhhhhhhh

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uhhhh ummmmmmm

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talos

indigo badge
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hunting blades?

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or lightning phalanx

harsh scroll
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An aspect AND a build guys please

rustic vale
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Talos and hunting blafes

mint zenith
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does artemis dash and other attack boosts like aphro attack work on hestia rails base damage or the boosted reload damage?

fervent radish
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150 is the base damage for the empowered shot

mint zenith
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okay ty

fervent radish
summer hazel
harsh scroll
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Though I'd advise against relying on this window and just stick to dash and attack immediately after

rustic vale
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Unlike the other weapons where the dash strike comes out like immediately

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you still need to hold it down to charge it up

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it’s a faster charge for slightly less damage, but it makes bow significantly better

rustic vale
placid coral
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heylow

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I'm back with more skill issue

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twin shot
explosive shot
chain shot (fates)

summer hazel
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Twin shot is goat but chain shot isn't useless

rustic vale
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It’s mainly for the other fists

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As far as I know the debuff that gilga has to it’s dash strike speed means that isn’t possible on it

winter scarab
placid coral
rustic vale
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Might as well take chain shot for fates tbh like

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There aren’t too many cases where it’s the only bow hammer you want

winter scarab
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Chain shot is remarkably inconsistent

rustic vale
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chain shot is remarkably a mid bow hammer like

winter scarab
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Twin shot and explosive tho

rustic vale
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Half the hammers are better than it and half the hammers aren’t

placid coral
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yall I've been forced to take 3 demeter boons

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wish me luck

winter scarab
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If the game hates you this much

placid coral
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lol

mint coral
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that's never the play dusa

placid coral
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the cast is pretty funny tbf

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although all things considered

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I wanna try

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huh

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I could purge all 3 of her boons if I wanted

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screw it

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doomed run anyway

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may as well have some fun

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also is hades 2 gonna be switch 2 exclusive (just asking the one question here cause it's I don't wanna see anything about hades 2)

old bluff
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No

placid coral
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phew

mint coral
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once 1.0 releases it'll first release on both switches and pc

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other consoles not yet planned

glacial bolt
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Okay

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doing a silly Zeus Sword special build

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anything i need to know? special damage buff do nothing for the thunder ect?

placid coral
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I'm slowly feeling like hades is my favorite game just, in general, so I'm glad I'll still get to play hades 2

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when is it coming out anyhow?

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also question
if you could change any one thing, not add, not remove, change, what would you do?

fervent radish
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so yeah you'll have the base special damage and the action itself with summon 45 damage bolts

placid coral
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Point blank shot
perfect shot
relentless volley

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(first hammer is twin)

knotty lodge
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A more minor change would be that starting an escape attempt saves the game RIGHT BEFORE you start the attempt instead of when you enter the training chamber

placid coral
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Just got wrecked by poison

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feeling..

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owch

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are you kidding me

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exclusive access (yay)

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wait a second

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oh

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it's for my last boon

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AAAAAA

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dang it

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I got the restore health with no defiance boon

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I thought hey I can just camp

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hands

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skelly you jerk

winter scarab
zinc trellis
placid coral
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well besides hades, theseus, and astarius, but those are a different case

knotty lodge
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ehhh i think Megaera and Than also had portrait changes, but only after you romance them

mint coral
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def dialogue system for me

knotty lodge
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But yeah, more of those would be nice

rustic vale
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Artemis def had some portrait changes

mint coral
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I'm luckily on the camp of "never had issues with it" but the thousand of "why doesn't X quest progress" posts don't help

zinc trellis
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oh I’d also like a way to try hammers on Skelly

rustic vale
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Codex mod

glacial bolt
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Okay Zeus special is bad, never got double strike

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Also, is the hit twice special upgrade like

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not causing 2 lightings to hit consistently?

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whats up with that

rustic vale
rustic vale
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Lightning bolts have a 0.2s cooldown

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per source

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so if you hit again before that cooldown expires then it doesn’t spawn one

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This is why zeus special sucks on chiron

glacial bolt
rustic vale
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Chain Lightning from Zeus strike only has a cooldown of 0.15s

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Oh notably support fire has the same 0.2s cooldown

copper sedge
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Oh boy I got (Boon I used a keepsake on so I can build around it)! I sure hope the game doesn’t avoid giving me (Boon’s god) for the rest of the attempt in favor of gods that do nothing for my build!

zinc trellis
rustic vale
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Jailbreak your switch (or don’t)

hoary aspen
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every single run

rustic vale
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Also

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If you’re pissed off at the game showing you other gods the best thing you can do is immediately swoop up gods that’ll make the Olympians you’ve taken boons from equal 4

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Instantly doubles your odds at seeing the god you want show back up

digital pond
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If i go fight charon with the timer does the timer go down while fightiung him ?

hollow tusk
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plus hera boons (Olympus extra) just does the same thing but easier, do modded runs count for the high heat strategies or victory boasting channels?

rustic vale
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It’s just a place to post victory screens

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High Heat hades is a little weird when you’re using modded content outside of the speedrun modpack because it’s something that people aren’t necessarily familiar with

hollow tusk
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cool cause the other day i got an amazing run with hera and Ares, hera has a curse effect that if hit with another god curse effect it gets doubled so you just put hera and Ares on special and attack with aspect of nemesis

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i think it was one of my fastest runs

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and most importantly super fun as well

fervent radish
rustic vale
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Just sell your divine flourish and take whatever they called Hera’s flourish

hollow tusk
rustic vale
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Does it immediately drop any status effect damage and not just double it?

rustic vale
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Bruh

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So this status curse just innately does twice the impact of what a duo boon that was so strong in the base game that it was nerfed to only being findable with ares/athenas strike and special boon

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with just the baked in Hera effect

hollow tusk
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but as to avoid the same overpowered combo merciful enddash with Athena the hera dash lays traps with a cooldown instead so having her dash doesn't work

indigo badge
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still op

rustic vale
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What I was suggesting was Ares strike (Athena special -> Hera special) Divine Dash lmao

hollow tusk
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no it wouldn't work

rustic vale
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Why not

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Does the special not inflict the debuff?

hollow tusk
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and i forgot the order but it needs to be on the special or attack specifically

rustic vale
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you’d still end up with the status effect on 50% of your dash strikes and merciful end for the other 50%

hollow tusk
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i think the attack specifically

rustic vale
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So only the strike inflicts the debuff out of strike and special?

hollow tusk
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no bc the status description says if the status is striken with another status the other status effect gets doubled so you want to start with the hera flourish than Ares strike which will remove it and double the ares attack damage, i think thats the right order

rustic vale
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It goes dash strike 2x -> special rinse repeat

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you could inflict this debuff in between with your special and still get the value of ME out of it

hollow tusk
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yeah it could be the other way around what idk if it makes a difference

rustic vale
#

well

#

It’s more like

#

The ending special of the combo sets up your next combo

#

Even take Merciful End out of the picture

#

Sword and fists could easily just run a build that has roughly the same damage output as ME but with only the ares strike and hera special here

#

since you double your next doom damage and drop it immediately

#

which is the same as immediately dropping 2 dash strikes worth of ME doom

hollow tusk
#

but her character and voice lines are soo annoying ( it's on purpose no shade to the voice actor) i hate her so much

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is character as annoying in Greek mythology?

rustic vale
#

If anything she’s ticked off because her husband has been a serial cheater since before they were married

#

like

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he’s been sleeping around for thousands of years and has 8 trillion demigod children

hollow tusk
#

yeah i only know one story about her with Dionysus mother and causing her to burn to ash, but kinda justified

rustic vale
#

But she is rather a prick to the sons of Zeus rather than to Zeus himself a bit of the time (case in point Heracles)

hollow tusk
#

was she the one that sent the snakes?

#

either way she should take out her anger on Zeus not me, like what did do to you lady?¿!?

rustic vale
#

And she set up the rest of his life too

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The 12 tasks

hollow tusk
rustic vale
#

Putting his cousin in charge of him

hollow tusk
timid echo
#

GUYS I DID IT

#

I THINk

#

I BEAT HADES

#

WITH THE SHIELD

winter scarab
#

||both phases?||

timid echo
#

yes

winter scarab
#

GG then

timid echo
#

i had at least 295 health

winter scarab
#

Congrats

hoary aspen
#

partaking in a most wonderful merciful end run atm

#

ares attack at level 7 with impending doom and divine dash

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on talos

rustic vale
#

Everything was big chilling until that

winter scarab
hoary aspen
#

i don't have enough titan blood

#

its the only fists aspect i have 💔

copper sedge
#

Aspect of Hades is my favorite so far

zinc trellis
#

I followed Lee Reamsnyder’s suggestion of maxing out Zag fists and using Hermes keepsake the entire time. I tried it on 0 heat to start off but it wasn’t that bad. I think I only failed to clear 2 or 3 rooms in time. Had like 42% dodge chance in the end. I couldn’t get Zeus on attack, which would’ve made it easier but I did get Demeter’s attack and her boon that kills Chilled enemies at 10%. Got some fun dialogue from her at the end too.

#

Also friendship with Aphrodite/Artemis call ended, now Zeus call is my best friends

copper sedge
#

So does Smoldering air just render Hades’s call useless?

winter scarab
rustic vale
#

Smouldering Air becomes useless

#

Hades call still can go to max gauge

#

And charges like normal as if you didn’t have the boon

copper sedge
#

Oh, that’s interesting

rustic vale
#

That’s from quickly checking previously sent messages on the topic

#

Not personal experience

#

and honestly Nyaanyaa Mewmew is someone I’d heavily trust on Hades info so

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I’m pretty sure she’s right

mint coral
#

to get it you need to first get smair, sell your call then equip dad's keepsake

#

and iirc that just blocks your call at entirely

lavish sorrel
#

prevents you from using dadcall at all 👍

placid coral
#

ok I have more than 5 aspects

#

why haven't I found anything about the first 4th aspect?

rustic vale
#

They’re 5 non-zag aspects last I checked

#

And then Achilles eventually hits his rng dialogue

#

The instructions are pinned in #h1-story-discussion and you may just be suffering from rng dialogue if you’ve fulfilled them

placid coral
#

oh wait non zag?

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crap

#

ok got 6 not zag aspects

#

yay

#

bro

#

I'm using aspect of zeus

#

and i got

#

sudden rush
breaching rush
explosive return

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ok yall

rustic vale
#

ER is the strongest zeus hammer by a pretty good margin

placid coral
#

is dio's aid any good?

#

I have demeter :c, zeus, Athena, and dio

rustic vale
placid coral
#

I agree

#

altho it seems like dio is better in short calls

#

while zeus is better with his greater call

mint coral
#

Both are best as lesser calls

#

Greater calls are a waste 90% of the time

rustic vale
placid coral
#

well uhh

#

good to know lol

mint coral
#

The only ones that really use them are aphro and arty

mint coral
#

And they are worse cuz of that

placid coral
#

arty feels like it'd be a lot better against theseus and astarius as minicall

mint coral
#

A lesser call arty is like a pommed up cast lol

#

Greater calls are worse in general cuz in the time it takes 1 to full charge you could have sent multiple lesser calls already

#

Can also use lesser calls for iframes

#

Keep up the buffs of billowing strength/second wind

#

It doesn't go to waste if the boss becomes impervious shortly after the call or dad decided to use darkness

rustic vale
#

Otherwise you’re sacrificing 50% of the damage that call guage could’ve provided you 😔

placid coral
#

wait I'm stupid

rustic vale
#

Meanwhile on calls like dionysus and zeus a single call provides a far more efficient damage to call gauge used

placid coral
#

wrong god

rustic vale
#

and just smooths out your dps and prevents you from wasting a huge chunk of your call gauge against break points

zinc trellis
#

Aphro greater call is good cause sometimes she goes “You’re going to love this” before nuking the boss lol

rustic vale
#

The other good thing about zeus and dio being minicall focused is you can use them in regular rooms to no downside

mint coral
placid coral
zinc trellis
#

The only call I’ve never tried is Athena call

mint coral
#

Athena's solid

#

Free oonga boonga on use

zinc trellis
#

It doesn’t do dmg though does it?

rustic vale
#

yeah but free invincibility time just lets you reign free without care

mint coral
#

Yeah but it doesn't interrupt your weapon like ares (lol) or pos

#

if you've played rama you can also treat it as a "free power shot on activation"

placid coral
#

how long does Athena last?

rustic vale
placid coral
#

both the mini call and the full gauge

#

(literally never used it)

mint coral
#

is like a second(?)

#

full gauge is a x6 bonus iirc

#

1.5s at common lvl1

winter scarab
#

Leveling it up increases the time

trim fossil
#

d-does Hades get stronger after the 12th win?

mint coral
#

Nope

#

The only way he gets stronger is by your own choices

trim fossil
#

ah. Then, IDK I guess I was just slower than usual or something

mint coral
oblique totem
#

how can I get defiance from chaos?

modern timber
#

I hate this game

indigo badge
#

i got it in my 130ish run

oblique totem
oblique totem
oblique totem
winter scarab
mint coral
hoary aspen
#

i js got that one sword aspect so i can finally make demeter cast good

#

in theory of course

mint coral
#

Nothing at all

oblique totem
hoary aspen
#

3rd aspect

fervent radish
#

It’s fairly rare so I wouldn’t focus on it

oblique totem
oblique totem
#

so I really don't go near chaos

#

I don't heal much and chaos is well chaos

#

sometimes you get pain and nothing in return

primal compass
#

Hi all, Switch player thinking of getting the PC version so I can achievement hunt, does Hades need a good PC? I have a bit of a Potato laptop that wasn’t made with gaming in mind

fervent radish
#

Check the minimum and recommended specs on steam

primal compass
#

Thanks

#

Is 100% Steam achievements for this game fun?

fervent radish
#

Most can do it within 100 hours and there’s 100s if not 1000s more hours of replayable content after that

indigo badge
winter scarab
#

You can use cards and cpus from over 10 years ago

#

And very little ram or storage is needed

primal compass
#

I took the plunge lol

astral swift
placid coral
#

so uhh

#

can confirm

#

cursed slash causes anxiety

#

thank god for the anvil

#

also uhh

rustic vale
placid coral
#

do I need to spoil things?

rustic vale
#

Not here

placid coral
#

cool

rustic vale
placid coral
#

ok

#

cause I just reached the credits

#

and uhh

#

that run was not beating hades

#

so umm

#

shocking moment lol

mint coral
#

Classic

placid coral
#

thing is, in concept, I love cursed slash

mint coral
#

Run 10 either scrapes by or wins by q lot and can't use the build

placid coral
#

but it just doesn't work

mint coral
#

I wonder how much better it'd be if it worked on dash strikes

placid coral
#

IT DOESN'T

rustic vale
#

It’d be significantly better but hard to quantify

placid coral
#

OHHHHHHHHH

mint coral
#

Yeah

rustic vale
placid coral
#

but yeah

rustic vale
#

Sword hammers strike againp

mint coral
#

Shadow slash also doesn't work on dash strikes while we are on that

placid coral
#

I got the stupid poseidon/dio duo boon

#

IN STYX

#

AGAIN

mint coral
#

Was about to ask if it at least was before hermes lmfao

placid coral
#

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME

rustic vale
#

You’re just getting it at really inopportune times

placid coral
#

oh no I love the idea

#

it's just annoying

#

this is the second time now

#

Haven't gotten it before styx yet

#

seems really good otherwise

#

while on the topic tho

#

I can imagine one of two things

#

A. it upgrades any common or rare boons to epic
B. it removes common or rare boons from the pool, allowing for the duo and legendary boons to have better odds

mint coral
#

A

#

Refer to the rant on the funny GitHub wiki

placid coral
#

dang it

#

what's the worst duo boon overall

placid coral
#

lol

mint coral
mint coral
placid coral
#

good to know

#

is it only the roguelike aspects? or does it also include story type stuff/diologues

mint coral
#

Only roguelike stuff yeah

#

Boons/hammers/pom lvls/dmg numbers on weapons

placid coral
#

ah

#

still useful

mint coral
#

Yeah I just use the fandom wiki for the favors

#

Gameplay wise it still has some mistakes here and there and I find it annoying to navigate

placid coral
#

it seems like I see the same couple people in this chat lol

mint coral
#

It do be like that

mint coral
#

And the rest is playing hades 2

placid coral
#

why does dusa always fly away when I give her stuff :c

#

also it feels like it's setting up for zag to be rejected

#

THAN GET BACK HERE I WANNA GIVE YOU NECTAR DANG IT

rustic vale
#

Cuz that’s imagining that it’s all one pool that it’ll take out of

#

In actuality the game rolls for different categories of boons and then grabs one at random from the pool it ends up picking from

#

Ie. Checking if you have cores open to automatically make the first boon option a core boon, then checking if it’ll roll a duo boon, then it checks for status boons (iirc) then it goes to generic secondaries

#

and then it determines the rarity of the boon if it’s not a duo or legendary

placid coral
#

ah

#

thay makes sense

rustic vale
# placid coral thay makes sense

You can also use to this note that the game gives priority to core boons if they’re available, and boons that make that core inflict status curses on applicable gods (artemis, zeus, poseidon, athena)

loud shell
#

Hey! I just started playing again after a long break and I've got to say. 1 I somehow am better then I was before I left 2 Aphrodity and artimes are so broken. I do not remember %boons being this much better then status boons

rustic vale
#

and flat damage having a better use on faster strikes or specials

cinder fractal
#

But I think it's also fair to say that percentage boons are more flexible. I'd much rather have Artemis/Aphro on a fast weapon than flat damage on a slow weapon

rustic vale
cinder fractal
#

"Mostly better on average" yes, broken no. You can do amazing builds with other gods.

#

(also I do think it's more about aphro and Artemis specifically being easier to get very straightforward "now kill faster" builds out of, whereas dio/ares take a little more work, upgrading, etc)

rustic vale
#

Hangover just takes a trillion poms and ares… ares needs a lot of leg work put in

cinder fractal
#

There's a reason that "screw it, just all the Zeus" is a super-viable strategy

rustic vale
#

I suppose but that’s really clinching hard on static discharge for anything that isn’t fast

cinder fractal
#

oh, for sure

#

My main point is just to try to say, 1. aphro/artemis are arguably top-tier but other percentage gods aren't, and 2. they're not that much better, just have a faster/simpler ramp up

#

Getting one of them on your main damage in room 1 is huge while getting dio in room one is yawn

#

You want broken? Let's talk divine dash 😆

rustic vale
#

“Broken”

#

Idk man as

#

Diviine dash is solid but it’s definitely not breaking anything

#

A lot of builds will take tidal dash over or instead of divine dash because damage output is another form of damage reduction

#

Aside from like Merciful End when divine dash is straight up necessary for it to even function

loud shell
rustic vale
#

It by far needs the most boons of any conventional build

#

But it’s just so strong that it warrants it

rustic vale
#

and then the duo itself

#

and you might as well throw in Impending Doom because that nearly doubles your damage

mint coral
#

It should get nerfed more 🙂

atomic nebula
#

is it just me or is hermes weirdly rare

rustic vale
#

You can only get 2(3) boons from him

#

2 boons naturally, plus a 50:50 in Styx for him to be in the first slot Charon shop (the other 50% chance is the anvil)

#

He is also exempt from the normal god pool rules and mechanics

atomic nebula
#

ah

#

weird

#

thank you

#

LMAO

rustic vale
#

You can always get Hermes in a run, where you (under natural, normal circumstances) can only have boons from 4 regular olympian gods

atomic nebula
#

GUESS WHO I JUST FOUND

#

he was in the shop though so I couldn't get his trinket qwq

deft canyon
#

Lament of Orpheus is still Peak

tiny minnow
#

can you put world splitter on aspect of arthur?

stiff obsidian
#

Ni

#

No

hoary aspen
#

he's different from all the other olympian gods

primal compass
#

Was so close to getting bad call, only needed like 25% more on the last call meter

summer hazel
granite steppe
#

@rustic vale I forgot to equip aph charm before going in with Hestia gun, what's a good alternative for attack?

rustic vale
#

Artemis, Athena, Demeter

granite steppe
#

gotcha, thanks

copper sedge
rustic vale
#

For Hestia you just want hammers that give your single shot more aoe like ricochet or explosive or piercing

#

Or special hammers

#

You can reload it manually so you just disregard the rest of the clip

#

Honestly the main aspect that’ll really ever use spreadfire (the shotgun hammer) is Zag rail which does do a solid job of using it

harsh scroll
#

After finishing the prophecy I can't see myself using Spread Fire ever again

rustic vale
#

You just pump out 40 base damage shots

hoary aspen
#

i haven't gotten dark thirst on the stygian blade in like 12 runs is this a feature

#

probably 15 actually

harsh scroll
#

Yeah it's called RNG

rustic vale
#

6.4% odds are still… within the bounds of reality

harsh scroll
#

RNG can make you the joke sometimes

hoary aspen
#

whatever more than 15 💔

rustic vale
#

you have to have a rather high number of runs without it being sword for it to actually get out of reason

hoary aspen
#

let me check the statistics rq

rustic vale
#

Even at 50 consecutive runs without it hitting sword you’re looking at roughly 1 in 10000 odds

#

sorry 1 in 9100

#

Rounded my decimals a bit too much

hoary aspen
#

ok ig 14 runs without the blade isn't that bad

#

but i still wanna use arthur

rustic vale
#

You can just

#

use it

hoary aspen
#

no my brain won't let me

#

and im not taking my meds js so i can use the big sword 💔

rustic vale
#

take your methylphenidate or whatever it is 💔

hoary aspen
#

no i will take it but not specifically in order to sword

#

i do take my meds ❤️

primal compass
#

Why does that bot keep messaging lol no one is talking Hades II

hoary aspen
#

they gotta fix that

rustic vale
#

It doesn’t check the contents of messages

hoary aspen
#

i blocked the bot 2 days into this server

rustic vale
#

It literally just keeps it’s message at the bottom of chat for incoming H2 players

hoary aspen
#

it cant be that hard to find the hades 2 channel right

rustic vale
#

Oh it can

#

When H2 was first put into early access it was every 5 minutes someone would stumble over here

primal compass
#

Im sure there are people who just dont look lol

rustic vale
#

It’s less common now but it’s going to happen again when H2 fully releases too

hoary aspen
#

do we have a date for that

rustic vale
#

No?

hoary aspen
#

ok thanks gang

rustic vale
#

It’s far too early in H2’s development I believe tbh

hoary aspen
#

i wouldnt know

primal compass
#

I almost bought H2 EA but I decided to try to 100% H1 on Steam lol

rustic vale
# hoary aspen i wouldnt know

I just know that they’re still fleshing out how deep the H2 npc’s dialogue goes because there’s no way the release the game with like 3 relationship dialogues for a bunch of characters

#

I meant relationship dialogues

#

Cuz whenever I check the Hades wiki for an npcs favour I end up seeing the amount you can gift them in both games and a bunch of the npcs seem to only have like 3 giftings

#

or 4

#

Which is how I judged that they’re probably still fleshing out a bunch of npcs

hoary aspen
#

makes sense makes sense

primal compass
#

Boot up the game, kill skelly 15 times, leave game

lol

granite steppe
#

I had the perfect build, but I didn't get the satyr sack until the fifth room and ended up failing to get out the door to the Hades fight just after handing Cerberus the sack sobbing_tomato

#

Stupid tier 3 deadline

hoary aspen
#

do hermes boons affect the shattered shackle

#

it would be pretty cool and awesome if they didn't

atomic nebula
#

they made ares hotter than aphrodite, TROJAN WAR TWO!!

rustic vale
hoary aspen
#

thank you shackle

rustic vale
hoary aspen
#

and shackle

torn sinew
#

why is asphodel on fire in hades?

#

isn’t it supposed to be a meadows?

winter scarab
torn sinew
#

ic

placid coral
#

so I'm using aspect of demeter

#

seems pretty fun

#

(upgraded it quite a bit)

#

the hammers I got were

Heavy knuckle
colossus knuckle
flying cutter

#

I can imagine some fun builds with specific gods

#

ok nobody is answering so imma decipher this myself

#

obviously not heavy knuckle

#

a whole double base damage seems great

#

but being sturdy (plus that one being fated) makes me wanna go with it more

granite steppe
#

I keep dying to Hades for some reason

#

Very frustrating spending 20-ish minutes getting to him just to die several runs in a row

rustic vale
placid coral
#

ok so I picked right

#

wonderous

rustic vale
#

Heavy Knuckle is counter-intuitive on Demeter, Flying Cutter changes the special’s movement and makes it a little annoying

placid coral
#

also it seems like dash strikes charge the special, that right?

rustic vale
#

Yep

placid coral
#

wonderful

rustic vale
#

Also

placid coral
#

?

rustic vale
#

Demeter adds singular hits of any of the specials

placid coral
#

so if I get dio for example it hits multiple stacks?

rustic vale
#

So your basic standing special does two 30 damage hits, and then you’d add 5 more 30 damage hits for a total of (210)

#

But the dash upper is a singular 40 damage hit

placid coral
#

(altho I'm not sure how practical that'd be)

rustic vale
#

And demeter’s upper adds five 40 damage hits for a total of 240 base damage

#

You can do the rest of the math for the special altering hammers

rustic vale
placid coral
#

makes sense

rustic vale
#

It’s just a waste of good base damage

placid coral
#

wanna go pure damage with it I suppose

#

I have zeus and ares rn tho :c

#

and I'm in asphodel

#

Haven't seen any other gods yet

#

any recommended ones tho?

rustic vale
#

For demeter umm

#

Assuming you have zeus strike rn it’s be aphrodite special and tidal dash and either zeus or dionysus call

#

Whatever you come across at this point

#

Forcing in gods after asphodel is kinda really awkward

rustic vale
#

With ares strike you’d rather do a strict Merciful End build

#

Freudian slip

#

Did mean zeus/dio call

placid coral
#

oh hello heroic replacment

#

swap zeus attack for demeter

#

uhh

rustic vale
#

I wouldn’t

placid coral
#

sounds silly

#

yeaaa

#

prob a bad idea

#

altho isn't demeter generally the highest raw multiplier?

rustic vale
#

No?

#

Aphrodite is always the highest for strike and special

placid coral
#

ah

rustic vale
#

Athena and demeter are tied for second on strike, then poseidon

placid coral
#

well I've gotta take a boon :/

rustic vale
#

For special, it’s aphro > poseidon > dem & athena

#

but like

#

You can disregard poseidon tbh

placid coral
#

I rerolled and got
special
dash
call

#

all core boons :/

rustic vale
#

that’s what happens when you still have cores open

#

Take special

placid coral
#

lol

#

I've seen a total of like

#

3 boons

rustic vale
#

The game prioritises giving you cores when you still have some open

#

Like the first boon option is guaranteed to be a core boon if you have anything open

placid coral
#

I'm an idiot

#

the next room

#

was aph

#

AA

rustic vale
#

doesn’t matter you can throw aph on something else

placid coral
#

yea fair

rustic vale
#

You couldn’t’ve known

#

Aph provides special damage here, but it’s also weaken and opening Smouldering Air w/ zeus

#

So you can take a different aphro core and still benefit

#

From the other 2

#

Dash ideally atm

#

Then you can apply weak on your dstrikes

placid coral
#

kk I got dash

#

and it's rare so

#

wahoo

#

also

#

got heroic ares cast

#

30 damage per hit

#

40% boost from chaos

#

prob hits like a truck

#

especially with 3 casts

rustic vale
#

Uhhh

#

Sure

placid coral
#

i have 1 heat

#

and I did extreme measures so it'd basically be a normal run

#

also the furies fight is easy lol

rustic vale
#

Things that do actually hit like a truck generally still hit like a truck at 32 heat lmao

rustic vale
#

Like

placid coral
#

but like

#

that's over 100 damage per second I think

rustic vale
#

You don’t take the 3 enemy durability pacts until

rustic vale
#

also those blades are going to spin right through him without hunting blades

#

Don’t get me wrong, ares cast can be strong, but here it’s a rather far far way

placid coral
#

well either way

#

I honestly don't use cast too often so it's pretty low risk

#

and it's still fun to see number go up

rustic vale
#

The main times to go for casts are a) to prok boiling blood on bulky targets (minibosses, bosses)

#

Or b) on a castpect that can make good use of them

#

like achilles at max level has a baked in +150% additive damage to strikes and casts

#

before you add any other damage boosts your casts are doing 2 and a half times their base damage

rustic vale
#

It’s a lot more consistent boon and dps wise to shoot for like hunting blades or lightning phalanx but yes

#

Festive fog do go burr

#

Or like Hera can make great use of Crush Shot (aphrodites cast) by finally giving it the range and speed it needs to be good

#

You’d never use the cast otherwise because it’s so dangerous compared to the pay-off

#

But Hera fixes every issue with it

placid coral
#

(honestly this is the first game discord that doesn't make me feel stupid for not understanding things right out the gate)

rustic vale
#

I try

placid coral
#

lol

rustic vale
#

And honestly most of the other long-time people here do try, especially

#

sometimes it genuinely is hard

#

ngl

placid coral
#

lol

rustic vale
#

to explain stuff to people that just aren’t getting it

placid coral
#

wait I used lol multiple times

#

I'm no longer interesting /j

rustic vale
#

world ending

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Reputation on the super giant games discord: down the toilet

placid coral
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oopsie

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second hammer