h1-discussion

[glacial bolt]

that way no gotta take centaur hearts for a while

[rustic vale]

It’s just a large projectile that does decent damage

The zeus duo lets it bounce around to a few targets

It’s honestly pretty good but the cast has a tendency to run away from you

[glacial bolt]

its a medium slow projectile, it deals a small explotion radius when it lands, also it reflects projectiles.

[glacial bolt]

God Phalanx call is so comfy lol

its so comfortable to use

[winter scarab]

What’s her dio duo

[mint coral]

-shot speed

[rustic vale]

Yeah enemies projectiles are slower

[old bluff]

mettle is trash too

[tepid light]

that's the pos/athena duo right

i'll still take that one over stubborn roots

mettle is nice against dad and those damn pots

roots just feels bad

[placid coral]

so if I remove Hermes's keepsake, do I lose the bonus I got from it?

[tepid light]

yep

[placid coral]

cool

I've only just won my first run through, and I want to clear all the weapons without heat first

(besides funny spear, I am not good at funny spear)

also why does this bot keep saying this

also is backstab damage additive or multiplicative?

[mint coral]

Additive

As for the bot, it doesn't check the content of the message

It just tries to keep the msg at the bottom

[mint coral]

Everything but crits/movement speed/dodge is additive

Wait not dodge

Brain fart

[placid coral]

also I beat the minotaur in a shockingly quick time with backstab damage

[mint coral]

Dodge is additive, dmg reduction is the one that's mult

[placid coral]

I have mostly Athena, one of Artemis, along with their duo ability, and Hermes is along for the ride

[rustic vale]

Hermes can show up on any playthrough

It doesn’t matter how many gods you’ve take already etc

unlike the regular olympians

[placid coral]

makes sense lore wise, considering he can basically be anywhere anytime

[rustic vale]

Mhm

[placid coral]

and gameplay wise because he's mostly support

...mostly

[rustic vale]

he’s honestly closer to Chaos than any of the olympians

Eh

[placid coral]

I have the damage boost based on movement speed plus the movement boost upon dash thing

[rustic vale]

He completely ignored the god pool mechanic, and you can only get 2 (3 off a 50:50 in styx shop) of his boons in a given run

[mint coral]

Gaming

[rustic vale]

Rush Delivery and Hyper Sprint is gaming

[mint coral]

Remember to buy ichors now

[placid coral]

oh shoot you're right

[rustic vale]

Movespeed is multiplicative btw

[placid coral]

I'm in third area (forgot how to spell it)

[rustic vale]

Elysium

[mint coral]

This is where you reap the benefits of it being mult

[placid coral]

right

this seems like a fun run

considering both my dash, normal, and special reflect

all of which will pull off a crit (sometimes)

[rustic vale]

Btw if you’re ever sitting with 2 gods and pissed that you’re getting offered all the other gods, the best thing you can do is take 2 more gods to double your chances of seeing the two gods you want

[placid coral]

sounds like you're speaking from experience lol

[rustic vale]

well

It’s game mechanics

Once you’ve taken boons from 4 gods, the game stops showing you the other 4 naturally

[placid coral]

oh that makes sense

[rustic vale]

so the available pool of gods you can get boons from is cut in half from 8 to 4

[placid coral]

so is it at all possible to get all of a gods (non duo) boons?

[rustic vale]

yes

The gods with lower boon counts are possible

But it’s insanely rng dependent

Would not shoot for it

[placid coral]

ok hang on

[rustic vale]

It’s also just not a good idea on most builds

[placid coral]

I picked up a pom of power and I swear I saw my health go up

is that a thing

[rustic vale]

(Hermes is exempt from this btw, and so is chaos)

[rustic vale]

No it isn’t

Unless some other source healed you

[placid coral]

I have 535 obols

do I wanna save them for styx?

[rustic vale]

Nah

You get enough in styx

[placid coral]

or do I use 150 on Zeus

[rustic vale]

Unless you need need that blood/

[rustic vale]

Do you have any open cores

strike/special/dash/cast + call (call doesn’t really count but)

[placid coral]

uhh my cast (the likes of which I have not gotten good at using yet)

I have Artemis's call

open cast

Athena on everything else

[rustic vale]

Eh it wouldn’t be too bad to take zeus here just to fill up your god pool

[placid coral]

I mean I'm at the end of elysium tbf

[rustic vale]

It’s unfortunate that it’s not the other way around where you’d have artemis on cast and an open call for zeus

[placid coral]

really?

[rustic vale]

yeah

[placid coral]

I didn't think zeus's call was that good when I first used it

[trim fossil]

I won a run with Guan Yu for the first time

man the low health makes me really on edge the whole run

[rustic vale]

there are a myriad of reasons why zeus (and dio call for pretty much the same reasons) are the best dps calls

over artemis and co

[placid coral]

dio= funny wine god right?

[rustic vale]

They pump out more raw damage, far more consistently over their minicalls, and you can use them in your average room because it’s far easier to get up to 25% in a room than 100%

[placid coral]

fair

[rustic vale]

You’ll never waste a huge chunk of your god gauge by hitting a bosses breakpoints with a minicall compared to artemis using a full gauge

[placid coral]

ok imma fight bull and the other dude

uhh just paused

that killed asterius so fast

this is prob the highest damage I've gotten so far

ok

so do I use greater call now or save it for theseus's second phase

also why did I let my health drop that much what

[mint coral]

Calls also offer iframes on activation so I'd just keep spamming lessers

Oh you have arty oops

[placid coral]

HES DEAD HAHA

[mint coral]

Gg

[rustic vale]

I love getting thumbs down on my mechanically correct information

Thanks Asian once again

[mint coral]

Is this first time getting past heroes

[placid coral]

no I just really hate theseus

[mint coral]

Fair enough

[placid coral]

I have one win so far

[rustic vale]

Theseus try not to be an annoying bugger challenge: impossible

[placid coral]

but I'm playing with no heat so I can clear the rest of my weapons before doing much else

I'm curious how fast I can kill hades

or be killed by hades, who knows

wait do I want skully for the extra revive or funny feather

[rustic vale]

Acorn my beloved

superior defensive keepsake

[placid coral]

the feather is at 10% so far

[placid coral]

really?

well ig mines only 1*

[rustic vale]

Oh I wouldn’t use it rn then

[placid coral]

but skully is fully leveled

[rustic vale]

Level it up in elysium some time

anyhow

use skelly unless you think you’ll heal more in styx (which I kinda doubt unless you end up 5 sacked)

[gilded quest]

Theseus get cooked everytime and everytime he is annoying

[placid coral]

uh do I wanna purge support fire? my other 2 options are the Hermes synergy and I ain't purging that

it's lv 1 rn

[indigo badge]

yes

support fire is only decent on gun and fist

[placid coral]

oh I'm using fist

[rustic vale]

Do you need to purge anything

[solid glen]

its decent on rama

if you happen to be using a special build

[rustic vale]

do you have underworld customs on or something

[placid coral]

fair point, I have almost 600 obels

[rustic vale]

What rarity is your support fire to even be considering this

[indigo badge]

why are you selling stuff without underworld customs 😂

[tepid light]

you are very welcome

[indigo badge]

it's rarely worth it

[placid coral]

common lol

[gilded quest]

At lvl max how many hp % reduce guan yu

[rustic vale]

It’s completely valid to sell stuff for obols without UC

[mint coral]

50%

[rustic vale]

50%

[gilded quest]

Damn

That’s a lot

[mint coral]

Cleans up list of poms too

[rustic vale]

I sell stuff for obols all the time without Underworld customs to get rid of pommable boons for some free obols

[placid coral]

also I got an ichor

[rustic vale]

Nice

[placid coral]

how are encounters counted in styx?

[mint coral]

All small tunnels count down Charon well stuff

[rustic vale]

only the last one counts as an encounter for butterfly and plume, otherwise everything else “encounter” related ticks down with each room

[placid coral]

aw dang it

[rustic vale]

This is why hourglass is a good take for elysium

[placid coral]

no ichor for hades :c

[mint coral]

A 2 sack has the ichor last till dad

[rustic vale]

It lets you buy stuff with increased duration to last to dad fight in between biomes

[gilded quest]

Whats is the beast weapon

[placid coral]

is dad fight just the universal name for the final boss lol

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t really matter until you’re at the extremes of speedrunning and heat because every weapon has at least one really solid aspect

[mint coral]

iirc hydromight doesn't trigger on small tunnels either

[gilded quest]

Mmm

Oke

[rustic vale]

And luckily the only weapons that have really solid hidden aspects also have at least one really solid regular weapon

[gilded quest]

So what bless should I use with guan yu

For the mission

[tepid light]

it's rather accurate, no?

[placid coral]

ok my final shop is..
titan blood 1200
dio 150
Artemis 150
pom 300
Hermes 500
dio 450

what do I wanna go for here?

[rustic vale]

Oh 3rd Hermes is nice

Could potentially hit extra dashes or a permanent movespeed boost

[placid coral]

also holy inflation, why is the pom so expensive

those things are normally a third the cost

[rustic vale]

The top 2 options are increased value for increased price

you get a minimum rarity of rare and double value from hearts and poms on the top 2 regular room reward options

from shop

like

[placid coral]

wait then why is funny fast boy 500?

[rustic vale]

Sorry

“Top 2 regular room rewards”

The anvil and Hermes swap places for that 3rd option up top

it’s a 50:50 to get either

[placid coral]

ohh

[rustic vale]

And that’s your one shot at a 3rd hermes boon in a run

[placid coral]

I would have potentially gotten some use out of the hammer lol

I hate my special with this

only grabbed it for the fates

[mint coral]

What hammers do you even have

[rustic vale]

Eh you could potentially grab greater haste or greatest reflex

[placid coral]

long knuckle and kinetic launcher

[rustic vale]

Both would decently boost your damage output

[placid coral]

fair enough

[rustic vale]

kinetic launcher really only works for aspect of demeter fists

[placid coral]

I've only got the default

random non gameplay question

which nickname for zagreus is yalls favorite?

[rustic vale]

“Boy” goes pretty hard

[placid coral]

ok options from Hermes

[mint coral]

Little hades

[placid coral]

epic quick favor
epic side hustle (lol maybe not)
rare greater haste (prob this one)

[rustic vale]

Not side hustle

[mint coral]

I'd take haste

[trim fossil]

is it weird for me to say, I think dash strike is way better than normal attack most of the time?

[placid coral]

can quick favor be leveled up?

[rustic vale]

I think greater haste offers more value than epic quick favour given you’re using artemis

[rustic vale]

Not weird

Just correct

[rustic vale]

No hermes boons can

[placid coral]

o h

fun

can they even be heroic?

[mint coral]

Is why rarity is so good on hermes

[trim fossil]

damn I was hoping I was wrong but yeah it really feels like spamming dash strike is efficient like 90% of the time

[mint coral]

Only through eurydice's ambrosia deligt

[rustic vale]

Haste offers more value than the epic quick favour would here I think

[placid coral]

fair enough

dear god(s) I'm fast

[rustic vale]

Even on weapons with alternate attack options, like spear, and shield, the spin sucks for most aspects, and dash striking lets you pull up your block earlier for bullrushing

Dash striking makes bow what it is

Bow is nigh unusable without dashstriking and great with it

[trim fossil]

for spear I only really use Guan Yu life steal and by late game it's more of a bonus
the shield bull rush is more of a deflect button

btw does the thrust hammer on sword boost dash strike or very specifically 3 strike sequence

[rustic vale]

For shield, pulling block up earlier is better for charged shot, which is the best shield hammer

[placid coral]

ok my rooms are
Aphrodite
Heart (skull)
Artemis (skull)
Pom
Obel

[placid coral]

which ones do I go for

[rustic vale]

Very specifically standing strike combo

[trim fossil]

rip

[rustic vale]

2 skulls first should be the safest

[placid coral]

I have basically full health rn if it matters

[rustic vale]

It would be WAY too busted otherwise

[mint coral]

Non miniboss rooms are some real stinkers

[rustic vale]

+200% and a ton of free crit just generically on an option that already has a hammer that just double its damage

Artemis, then heart

[mint coral]

Big, full of traps, enemies everywhere

[trim fossil]

btw, is it just me or does sword feel realllll bad

[placid coral]

as someone with a lot of backstab bonus

these crystals suck

[rustic vale]

Not just you

Sword is good, but the feel of using it

is not

[rustic vale]

This kids is why we don’t throw our eggs in to the shadow presence bucket

Also just cuz fiery presence is right there

[placid coral]

but it's funny :c

[rustic vale]

also like

[placid coral]

also I have a chaos boon and vulnerable so uhh

[rustic vale]

It’s fists what are you doing with a bunch of additive damage

[placid coral]

boss fights tend to be my main focus at the end of the day

and extra damage to undamaged enemies isn't that good for them

[rustic vale]

I guess

yeah

Also it’s fists like you’ren’t really getting that much value compared to the heavy hitting weapons

fiery presence goes a long way when you have a big damage button or two

[trim fossil]

I guess it's because sword is very bread and butter it doesn't feel exciting and hard to tell when you've actually got a power spike

[placid coral]

man I'm so happy no extra mobs spawn in styx :D

the rats in question

[rustic vale]

As someone who ended up with 5 dashes on sword with double edge and enough obols that worked out to effectively +500% extra damage

like

It did not feel good to use even in that state

[placid coral]

ok
True shot
clean kill
hunters mark
(all rare)

[rustic vale]

Hunter’s mark

[placid coral]

obv not hunters mark
wait what

[rustic vale]

What

Hunter’s mark is like your best tier two option from artemis

[placid coral]

the fight with hades is a 1v1

[rustic vale]

I guess it’s a bit late to really get a bunch of the value

He does summon adds during the first phase but

You could do clean kill

They’re both roughly equivalent boosts here

[placid coral]

fair

[rustic vale]

cuz clean kill is a small bonus to a fraction of your damage output

[placid coral]

ok dio or Artemis

I have 150 obels left

so unless I wanna go through the obel room

those are my options

by gut tells me to go for dio for whatever reason

which tbf his cast does work kinda well

but like

would that even work that well?

is it weird that it feels weird to me that the dash can't curve at all?

like it's just a straight line

ok boss time

[trim fossil]

AW DAMMIT I got Artemis Poseidon duo but no dislodge boon sigh

[placid coral]

wish me luck yall

[rustic vale]

Good luck

Although I can’t see a Hades fight taking too much longer than 2 minutes

[placid coral]

phase one down, 0

39 health, both revives (stubborn and skelly)

I may be screwed :|

[tepid light]

I believe in you

[placid coral]

(why does that spin attack do 40 damage)

what the

Just took out first half of phase 2 in like 2 seconds

I thought Artemis's gc sucked

(is gc a valid acronym)

[rustic vale]

It’s just inefficient compared to other calls

[placid coral]

yay :D

[tepid light]

Just cause Zeus/Dio call with Smoldering Air is the absolute optimal does not mean that other strats do nothing

[placid coral]

(did it)

[rustic vale]

It pumps out a ridiculous amount of damage at once

[tepid light]

congrats!

[placid coral]

Holy crap that was a run

[rustic vale]

It just doesn’t do it efficiently at all

[placid coral]

(second one so far)

[rustic vale]

there’s a difference between being great, being decent, and just being bad and artemis call fits solidly into decent

[placid coral]

fair enough

[tepid light]

I feel like the vast majority of things you will realistically get in any given run will fall under 'decent'

[placid coral]

now after all this

guess what I'm playing on lol

[rustic vale]

Well yeah like you can use really whatever for a majority of the games content and be fine

[tepid light]

Indeed

If it was otherwise the game would get pretty insufferable pretty quick

[placid coral]

"must have been those natural causes mortals talk about"

[placid coral]

if you don't already know, guess who said this line

[rustic vale]

Probably Eurydice

Seems like the type

[placid coral]

nope

Hypnos

[tepid light]

was about to say

[rustic vale]

oh I was about to say pretty much anybody aside from Hypnos

[tepid light]

he's the one who's always commenting on your death causes after all

[rustic vale]

he never talks about causes of death

[tepid light]

?

whenever you talk to him right after you get back from a run?

[rustic vale]

Hypnos is the right answer

[placid coral]

so I was told in order to move on with dusa's story I need to upgrade the lounge

[rustic vale]

Eurydice is so far off I figured it wouldn’t be hard to tell I was just joking

[placid coral]

is that right, and how much does it need to be upgraded?

[tepid light]

Ah gotcha

[rustic vale]

Yes

you need to clean up the lounge and buy some number x of furniture items oversll

You can check specific npcs favours on the wiki for when you’ve reached their locked hearts

[placid coral]

a nectar for 10 gems??

[tepid light]

You also need to relentlessly mock user Shackle in the #h1-discussion channel

Only then can you unlock the rest of Dusa's story

[placid coral]

limited deals are crazy sometimes

[rustic vale]

I’m fairly certain this is accurate

Like

At least 11%

[placid coral]

ok I counted 12 upgrades to the lounge

unless the kitchen doesn't count or smth

[rustic vale]

12 lounge upgrades and you need a rug

[placid coral]

does the rug count?

[rustic vale]

I’m fairly certain there are more than 12 lounge upgrades, you just unlock more once you buy some options

[placid coral]

wait I have 2 rugs shoot

is that an issue

[trim fossil]

for bosses with varatha, do I just spam special

[rustic vale]

uh

Is this guan-yu or a specific special build on zagreus or hades

otherwise the answer is no

[trim fossil]

sorry not varatha

I'm messing up the name

[rustic vale]

Just name the weapon

[trim fossil]

it's the bow, rama aspect

[rustic vale]

You don’t need to go “coronacht” or “stygius” you can just say bow or sword

[rustic vale]

I mean… if you have a special build going on rama, then you probably should

If you have a strike build then you’ll hit your special every so often and then just dash strike the rest

[tepid light]

Real gamers do so though

[trim fossil]

what I mean is special build more optimal?

[rustic vale]

no

It’s not more optimal

[trim fossil]

I remember seeing a speed run ages ago

[placid coral]

God's pride or God's legacy?

[rustic vale]

But they’re both viable

Pride

[trim fossil]

and I think it used special

[placid coral]

(why is god autocapitalized)

[rustic vale]

What are you typing on

[placid coral]

mober phone

[rustic vale]

It must be your autocorrect settings

[placid coral]

(that's what I've been on this whole time)

[rustic vale]

I have autocorrect turned off and it doesn’t do that

[placid coral]

fair

[rustic vale]

I would know cuz I manually do it all the time

[rustic vale]

A rama speedrun in this day and age wouldn’t be special focused

[placid coral]

ok last upgrade

[rustic vale]

It would definitely use the special for free extra damage

but

[placid coral]

which one do I go for?

[rustic vale]

It wouldn’t focus on it

Persuasion >>>> Authority

[placid coral]

1k darkness wow

[rustic vale]

The actual utility it gives you is far more useful

plus, with the right work order, you’ll get more dice rolls from key rooms

[placid coral]

huh

maybe I should've paused while I asked questions

53 minutes to finish the run

[rustic vale]

Pausing while you make decisions is rather common

Especially once you start turning on the tight deadline heat option

[placid coral]

oh yeah that

[rustic vale]

it lets you make decisions about what room you want to take next without lossing any time

[placid coral]

when I had heat turned on I used the weird hit shield thing

(I was using gun so it made sense)

[rustic vale]

Damage Control

Yeah DC is pretty much only usuable on rail and fist without much grief

for the first bit anyways

[placid coral]

I've used divine dash 12 times

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1314003197513306174/IMG_0465.png?ex=680eb6d7&is=680d6557&hm=db9f4924624c7e0b63e17553b3dcd10e855bfbaa3805dc191997129a8b354308&

[placid coral]

which out of...42 runs?

[placid coral]

what

that's quite a bit

drink the kool-aid zagreus

[rustic vale]

You may notice the massive drop off as soon as you get out of 20 heat (because you’re getting a bit more serious and making better pacts) and then it coming back up (because other options start being worse)

Before 20 heat anything goes really

you can kinda disregard that for like rail

and fists ish

[placid coral]

makes sense

is it just me or is skelly showing up late?

[rustic vale]

he does that sometimes

[placid coral]

wait so what do I do with the keys now that I have all the weapons and mirror upgrades

[rustic vale]

Trade them up at broker or use them for 1 niche work order and resource director once you get past the credits

[placid coral]

fun

[rustic vale]

it happens

Eventually you run out of places to use tour resources

Outside of darkness

You should pretty much always be able to use darkness for something once you get to the credits

cuz after that you unlock the darkness dump that’ll take 325k darkness and a handful of your other resources to do

[placid coral]

the what now

wait I can't send images shoot

[rustic vale]

send embedded links

[placid coral]

I was gonna show my builds for my two winners

[placid coral]

forgive me if it's a stupid question but..

how?

[rustic vale]

You can send images into #h1-victory-boasting without any problems too

if it’s victory posts

[placid coral]

o ok then

[placid coral]

yea it is

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Ok

I can explain embed links after

That’ll help you send images elsewhere here

It just helps stop bots from joining and sending whatever afaik

[placid coral]

fair enough

someone told me that at some point the hydra gets a name?

[rustic vale]

Right so if you’re on mobile you can tap and holdon an image and then a menu comes up and you can scroll down to find two links “copy image link” and “copy message link” and you want the image link

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Zag will call him it

Lernean Hydra -> “Lernie”

[placid coral]

lol

sounds like Zag

[tepid light]

While the Hydra itself has neither the intelligence nor interest to reciprocate Zagreus' affection, and keeps trying to kill him

[knotty lodge]

hey man dont be calling Lernie dumb :(

Lernie's a good boy

[rustic vale]

Hey Lernie probably has a wife and kids at home

[placid coral]

random somewhat related thought

[rustic vale]

according to zag

[tepid light]

Well yeah I mean who do you think the smaller hydra heads he summons are

[placid coral]

what would yall think an actual battle against cerberus would look like

[tepid light]

Don't even consider that

[rustic vale]

Small man vs clifford the 3 headed dog

[placid coral]

NO NOT CHILD LABOR :O

[tepid light]

Cerberus is not to be fought

[placid coral]

I mean

theoretically it could be done without hurting the good boy

[tepid light]

If you try to hit Cerberus in Styx it just does nothing and he doesn't bother retaliating

I feel like a 'fight' would be the same way

He'd completely no-sell your attacks but would have zero desire to hit you in turn

[knotty lodge]

I genuinely think it'd be more of a survival boss because, as we've seen in the Styx, no matter what attack you do against him, he's just impervious.

I can imagine a boss fight where the "attacks" are him genuinely trying to play with you, but Zag needs to avoid them or else he takes huge hits.

[placid coral]

actually that'd be cool

I feel like this should show up when there are no messages for like 5 minutes or smth

[tepid light]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[rustic vale]

Eh but then you could have a heavy conversation that a Hades 2 player walks in on because Sticky bot hasn’t been seen in 4:46 minutes

And then just drops some bomb

[placid coral]

lol

[rustic vale]

It’s very nice for stickybot to keep it’s message in chat

[placid coral]

I feel like if they're gonna do that..

th bot ain't gonna stop them

[rustic vale]

eh

The bot has done it’s job pretty well

I can tell you from first hand

Or like a year

[indigo badge]

the h2 no spoiler chat doesn't have a sticky bot, which is why there are bombs dropped in it regularly

[tepid light]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[rustic vale]

A fair few have been deterred or immediately realised their mistake and deleted it afterwards

[placid coral]

thoughts on explosive wine gun?

[rustic vale]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the Asian. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[placid coral]

also one of my runs apparently died cause I blew myself up

so uhh

that's fun

[indigo badge]

we makin it outta the underworld with this one 🤑

[rustic vale]

Dio cast doesn’t really have any synergy with the rail aspects tbh

It’s just like another special

[placid coral]

I did not make it out of the underworld with that one :c

[indigo badge]

he meant dio attack with explosive hammer

[rustic vale]

oh

It’s like decent I suppose

You just need to keep your pommable boons low

and your poms on dio strike highh

better option than the +%’s

[placid coral]

I've heard people say that dio is the worst god, but he's my favorite because giving people hangovers is like, the funniest thing in this game

[indigo badge]

dio strike rail is really good, it's just that it's outclassed by zeus attack static discharge in every way

[placid coral]

I also saw a cast build on yt that seemed funny

[rustic vale]

Where did you here this stuff bruh

[placid coral]

multiple online things

[indigo badge]

reddit

[placid coral]

idk lol

[rustic vale]

People that say things like this genuinely just don’t know how to talk about Hades because it’s always situational

[indigo badge]

erm, arckshoually i did the math and dio sucks 🤓

[rustic vale]

It always depends on the aspect and the weapon

[placid coral]

sounds about right

[rustic vale]

and the only correct option is demeter

[placid coral]

huh?

[indigo badge]

have you even met demeter yet

[rustic vale]

Ok I’m a be real

[placid coral]

me when festive fog does a random 1k damage somehow like dude what

[placid coral]

uhhhhh

[rustic vale]

every single one of those posts pisses me off because they boil down Hades to their one weapon of choice

[placid coral]

should I have?

am I stupid or smth

[rustic vale]

If you’ve gotten to Hades you should’ve seen her by now

anyways

[placid coral]

OH FUNNY FURY

oops

forgot their *names

[indigo badge]

demeter is a god

[rustic vale]

Every single “worst god” or “best god” in game post is really stupid because they seem to forget that there are6 weapons with 24 aspects in the game, and each of them build differently

Across all of those weapons, the gods have different levels of usefullness

And builds they can be a part of

So it’s stupid to say “hmm this god flat out sucks”

[placid coral]

erm ackshually, the fury sisters are actually gods themselves I think imeantheydoshowupinthechathonicgodstabinthecodex

[rustic vale]

Except demeter

Because

she actually does

[placid coral]

so sad

[indigo badge]

when I'm in the being the worst god competition and my opponent is demeter 😨

[rustic vale]

Not to be reductive but she does flat out fail every category I just said for why you can’t really classify any god as the best or worst god

She does not have good builds

[placid coral]

oh wait that's ice lady right I forgor

[rustic vale]

She doesn’t fit well into other builds

[harsh scroll]

When I'm in a destroying a cast competition and my opponent is Demeter duos

[indigo badge]

b- b- but muh meme beams 🥺

[rustic vale]

She actually only has one good build

And it’s snow burst for beo or hera

She has some half decent support boons that are overshadowed by her cores and her great ability to shoot your duo boon odds in the foot with bad duos

[harsh scroll]

Which Demeter duos are unironically useful

Be real

[indigo badge]

the one with zeus is good

[rustic vale]

Where’s the invisible character

N/A

[harsh scroll]

I don't think it matters that much when Jolted is so easy to constantly apply

[rustic vale]

The only time cold fusion works is when you aren’t applying jolted often and the odds of this happening are like

[indigo badge]

I'm glad h2 added its last god much earlier in early access, hopefully we won't have another demeter equivalent by 1.0

[rustic vale]

1 in a krillion

[harsh scroll]

Unless your source is cast for some odd reason and you're not using Stygian for some even more odd reason

[placid coral]

but yeah I was convinced yall were talking about an aspect

[rustic vale]

All you need to understand it my arguement for why it’s really reductive and narrowminded to call any god the worst or best god

[harsh scroll]

Except Demeter

[rustic vale]

but also keep in mind that demeter kinda fails to

even meet the bar

[indigo badge]

i love bullying demeter 🥰

[rustic vale]

best god: silly question
worst god: silly question, but this one does actually have an answer

[placid coral]

so question

[harsh scroll]

I think the best run I ever had with Demeter was an Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast

[placid coral]

besides Hermes, which god has the best non combat abilities

[harsh scroll]

Which still wasn't wowzers

[rustic vale]

Also you didn’t happen to see that dio cast build in a windette video did you

[placid coral]

uhh maybe? idk

[indigo badge]

uhhh i guess that dio boon that resets you to a minimum hp if you go lower?

[placid coral]

all ik is bonk simulator

[rustic vale]

k cuz some dude came in yesterday talking about the exact same video

and so I watched it

it was like

[placid coral]

like raving or just a mention

[harsh scroll]

Good in low heat which is where you need it least

[rustic vale]

Ok

[rustic vale]

like

The entire video was two runs specifically building towards dio cast

[indigo badge]

there's barely any non combat boons so there's not much competition

[placid coral]

I mean the ones I rember

[rustic vale]

Chaos gives +% darkness, +% obols and +% boon rarity

[placid coral]

chaos having pure stat growth go brr

[rustic vale]

Although hermes gives side hustle, movespeed and dashes

move speed and dashes are so nice out of combat too

[harsh scroll]

God knows Hermes would be hands down the worst god if his attack speed books could take up slots

[rustic vale]

If hermes was a normal god he would indeed be bleh

Although

Actually

He doesn’t open any duos

He doesn’t have any pommables

He may be the best supporting god in game if he was a regular olympian

[harsh scroll]

Since I asked the question regarding what if Hermes had duos I've been inventing concepts for no apparent reason and I think my favorite is Artemis so far

[placid coral]

actually now that I think about it that's a really good quality in a support lol

[rustic vale]

No pommables and no duos is actually really strong

[placid coral]

wait why is no duos good?

[rustic vale]

He can’t mess up your odds for the gods you want

[harsh scroll]

Now what if CHAOS could make up their own version of duos

A boon that can only be offered by them which amps up a god's abilities in a way

[placid coral]

random thought on this, chaos disables a certain god for a time, and then boosts all of their rarities? seems odd but maybe cool

especially if you have a carry

[harsh scroll]

That could actually be fun

Imagine this: Chaos disables crits for I don't know how long and after the curse expires it boosts overall crit chance/damage

[placid coral]

or maybe you can be crit

[harsh scroll]

Or disable entirely all Demeter boons and when it expires it makes each crystal fire multiple piercing beams and Chill can stack even further

[harsh scroll]

That too

[placid coral]

that would be scary lol

like just randomly perishing because that one mini chariot did 30 damage

ouch

[harsh scroll]

Imagine you can be MARKED and the curse lasts until EM Theseus

[placid coral]

what would even justify all this lol

like how good would the reward have to be

[harsh scroll]

Allow a crit to crit and deal even more damage

Don't let Heart Rend hear about this

[placid coral]

crit² goes hard

[rustic vale]

Seems oddly specific

You have to have meme beams for half of this boon to function

[latent moon]

ice wine with dionysus is really good if you're not playing hera or beowulf

it's really solid on achilles

the main issue is the fact that you have to take a demeter core but you can just slap it on your special since you're not using it for damage

it's probably the best duo with demeter by far bc all the others suck pretty bad lmao

exclusive access with poseidon is neat but you should never realistically be aiming for that

[rustic vale]

Exclusive access isn’t a demeter duo

[latent moon]

oh

oops lmfao

for some reason i thought that was the one with pos

blizzard shot is kinda funny tho

it allegedly does pretty decent damage but i haven't used it in a long while to remember

[rustic vale]

Yeah

It’s pretty alright but

You still have to take a dem core for it

[latent moon]

most aspects have a useless slot tbf

dem special also isn't the worst for damage either

[tepid light]

Except the Aspect of Bananas

That Aspect has no useless slots

[indigo badge]

aspect of john pepperoni 🤑

[knotty lodge]

Used it recently on a cast build, it's pretty good but not nearly powerful enough to go for

Great on stationary enemies but beyond that eh

[fringe umbra]

This game is really good on a controller. I get tremors using a mouse. This is my go to offline game now.

[bold blade]

So like I said I turned the heat down, cut it by like half

And yet

The second I start making any progress

You're telling me that the game just says 'screw it' and ups the ante completely undoing everythign I worked for

Now instead of letting me naturally progress, let's mix in extreme attack spam by a new boss only counterable by 5 of the 40 very specific boons I've discovered, surely this will make my experience more enjoyable

I am on run EIGHTY right now and I haven't even made it past world 2 ONCE

I'm genuinely at a loss as to how I'm supposed to be enjoying this rn 💀

[indigo badge]

by uhhh, finishing the game at 0 heat first?

[bold blade]

That's terrible

Every game I've ever played makes it possible to beat the game at extreme difficulties off-rip
Never have I played a game where they make conditions so extreme that it's made virtually impossible to beat from the beginning

Hard capping progress by severely handicapping the player to the point that it's ubeatable is painnn

And then raising the difficulty from there to stretch playtime

Heeeughhh

[mint coral]

When I play the game in an unintended way and it feels miserable 💔

[bold blade]

There is no way you can convince me that you're forced to play with the power of a grub to make any progress

That's beyond miserable 💔

Oh yeah by the way, which is more optimal

Olympian Favor or Dark Foresight

[autumn jewel]

dark foresight

more run upgrades good

[bold blade]

Thought so

(Was running Favor)

[indigo badge]

me when I'm not immediately good at something i just started 😔

[autumn jewel]

secretly wishing I can beat 32 heat without a mirror

[bold blade]

80 runs on a high diff totally just started

On the bright side that's what allowed me to absolutely anhialate through to the second half of world II
Until the difficulty dives off the deep end (so fun)

[autumn jewel]

just wondering how much heat do you mean by high diff

[bold blade]

Was running 22 on Hell Mode

Couldn't beat Meg

Turned it down to 14
Immediately blitzed through like butter

Then I got to the halfway point of the hot section and it all fell apart

[indigo badge]

what pacts are you running anyway

[bold blade]

And of course new bosses with absurd attack spam are being introduced, so that's always cool

I dunno the specific ones

But the Hell Mode ones + enemy spawn rates + Enemy Health

& Enemy dmg

A couple other things I don't remember

[raw herald]

Maybe they would feel less absurd if you played at 0 heat

[indigo badge]

hl5 js3 cp2?

[bold blade]

Not happening

[raw herald]

If you say so

[indigo badge]

good luck lol 😂

[bold blade]

IIIIIII'm gonna need it

[autumn jewel]

+100% enemy dmg
+60% enemy spawn
+30% enemy health

[bold blade]

Like I said, I dunno what I have specifically

I just made the enemies massive hunks of funk

Anyways off I go, will inevitably throw more runs tomorrow

I am NOT escaping sub-100

[autumn jewel]

I mean if you make your enemies hit like a truck then you won't have an opportunity to learn attack patterns

so you take more damage, which is worsened by more enemies, and more durable enemies so more time needed to kill i.e. more opportunity to get hit

[bold blade]

Anything less than that is a weakness

I'm already pissed I had to drop from 22 to 14, and from 14 to 12

I wanted a challenge so I'm taking one

Even though I'm beyond infuriated

80 runs is inexcusable by any metric

[raw herald]

You’re the only one counting

It’s really not that deep

[bold blade]

Numbers are numbers

And like I said

Inexcusable

[autumn jewel]

I think you should actually turn UP the heat to 32 instead so your 80 run statistic is more reasonable

[bold blade]

Truth Nuke

[stiff obsidian]

highest difficulty always being beatable doesnt sound so difficult then

[rustic vale]

80 runs on high difficulty might as well be new because you’re dying before you can actually learn anything

[rustic vale]

You wanted a challenge so you’re setting the difficulty far higher than you really should off-rip and surprised that you’re really struggling? Shocker. You haven’t even learned the game

you’re just going to getted shredded by elysium and then styx in the same fashion

[stiff obsidian]

i took 90 runs for 0 heat

lol

[glacial bolt]

Fun fact: Myrim Bracelet reduces trap damage.

[rustic vale]

If it’s directional trap damage then sure

I’m pretty sure spikes and other aoe traps don’t care

[glacial bolt]

dads traps are aoe and were reduced

[rustic vale]

But those projectiles in styx and in elsyium should be reduced

[rustic vale]

Dad’s pots also kinda spill outwards from the center no?

[glacial bolt]

idk, thats still aoe, no?

[rustic vale]

I wonder if they’d be counted as directional then

I’d try this out on spikes in tart to double check

or magma in styx

[oblique totem]

I am actually shocked ngl

[oblique totem]

I didn't read from the start , so don't mind me asking , did he raiese the heat too much once he could?

[stiff obsidian]

that what i assumed

[oblique totem]

if he did that's a grave a mistake ngl

even heat 1 was hard when I started

but you keep playing and raise it a bit by a bit I only increased it by one till heat 20

[stiff obsidian]

same

[mint coral]

They are on hell mode and jumped to 22 heat lol

[oblique totem]

hell mode?

[mint coral]

Setting available when creating a file

Starts you with the pact of punishment and 5 forced heat

Hl1/js1/lc1/cp1/and a exclusive pact to it

[oblique totem]

so the only difference between it and normal

is your start is harder

[mint coral]

Pretty much

The extra pact disables the shield that pops up if you lose hp too quick which can matter sometimes

Like eating an elysium witch attack

[oblique totem]

ahh but is it worth it though?

[mint coral]

Hell mode can be good for high heat runs at like 45+ heat

Cuz the forced pacts are ones you were already gonna take

So you get the extra heat from the exclusive pact instead of something worse

In casual play I don't like hell mode

[tepid light]

Up to you

It's an extra bit of heat which is nice for climbing but no one can predict whether you yourself can handle the consequence

[mint coral]

It just makes early game an even bigger drag

[tepid light]

Noob I didn't recognize you for a sec haha

The new name threw me off

[oblique totem]

I mean I do think I can handle it

[mint coral]

Lmao

[tepid light]

Then by all means give it a try

Why not

[mint coral]

Gotta support the funniest h2 keepsake

[oblique totem]

but don't know If I wanna play the game again only reach the place I am in

[tepid light]

Ah was about to ask what it was a reference to

[oblique totem]

what is the aspect of Lu Bu?

[tepid light]

It doesn't exist, it's just a joke by myself

It's an aspect I wish was in the game haha

[oblique totem]

I was worried for a second cause I am pretty sure I haven't seen it in the game

[tepid light]

You're far from the first person to be thrown off by my name

[stiff obsidian]

im not cuz i know ur crayzy

https://tenor.com/view/domgcat-donkeycat-gif-24380643

[mint coral]

Dawg what is that name

[tepid light]

I asked the same thing the other day

[pure quartz]

I almost won my first lap....

[rustic vale]

22 heat from the start

Hell-mode gives you access to the heat pact off the bat

So they just went and were like “well surely I can crank it up a crap ton right at the start” and now is suffering the consequences”

[oblique totem]

glad I didn't try that ngl

[glacial bolt]

i havent won a single run with any spear xD

god im pathetic

[fervent radish]

Not very productive 😔

Use Achilles and start tidal dash

Proceed to mash into everything and get hunting blades

[glacial bolt]

got 4 shot at dad

im not with this many dashes

[fervent radish]

It does happen

Achilles falls off late game without a good cast

[placid coral]

if I get explosive fire and Zeus on my attack, do I get multiple chain lightnings with multiple hits or just the one

[rustic vale]

Fairly certain it’s just a single bolt thnx to chain lightnings internal cooldown

[placid coral]

aw man

having like 5 chain lightning after shooting a big group of enemies would be so funny though

[rustic vale]

Effectively you can only fire off a chain lightning every 0.15s

[placid coral]

makes sense

also is Zeus good on the adamant rail (normal)

[old bluff]

Yes

[placid coral]

moment I typed Zeus lightning struck lol

[rustic vale]

He’s pretty much the best

[placid coral]

I guess he can hear

seeing that the 2v1 upgrade is worth 3 heat on its own is scary

[rustic vale]

2v1? Like Extreme Measures 3?

[placid coral]

yea

[rustic vale]

Well it sequentially increases

1/2/3/4

[placid coral]

well yeah but that'd imply that theseus and astarius have an improvement that's 3 times worse than whatever the fury sisters pull

[indigo badge]

em1 and 2 are pretty easy, em3 isn't easy but it's well worth 3 heat

[placid coral]

(which also doesn't make sense cause how do you upgrade all three of them with the same relative difficulty)

[indigo badge]

the first few times you fight them is very hard but you'll get used to it

[placid coral]

me taking dio's nectar boon knowing full well I'm not seeing another nectar for that whole run

[lavish sorrel]

(and then you get to em4 and suddenly wish that one was worth like 6)

[rustic vale]

This assume that each heat value has like

equivalent difficulty to other options

[placid coral]

fair point

[rustic vale]

which just isn’t true btw

[placid coral]

(Also I meant how do they change all three fury sisters)

[rustic vale]

they don’t change the three furies

[placid coral]

odd feeling they all just jump you or smth

[rustic vale]

They literally just add in the other sisters attack patterns

[placid coral]

o h

I was right

[rustic vale]

You’re still only fighting the one but a single sister or both others can show up

and help her out by attacking periodically

[placid coral]

ok

screw best and worst

Who is your favorite god

[indigo badge]

aphro and athena 🤑

[rustic vale]

artemis

[placid coral]

so I gave dusa my first ambrosia and she gave me a silly guy?

fun

oh my god it's adorable

[torn sinew]

how do you forge a bond with hermes? he’s the only one i’m missing

and how do you complete the song prophecy?

the one where you play the lyre

i swear i’ve played it about a million times

[mint coral]

get his keepsake to 3 stars and with it equipped talk to him

for the lyre you need to play it 210 times

• some convos with orpheus during that

[torn sinew]

i JUST did that and came back to report it 😭

[torn sinew]

broooooo

is there an indication of when you get to 210 plays?

whenever i play it’s like actually a song kind of

instead of the twang i’d get before

[mint coral]

after each convo with orpheus it starts sounding better yeah

the animation also takes longer

[torn sinew]

it takes like about 3 seconds id say to recharge now

[hoary aspen]

ares is my beautiful baby boy

[placid coral]

I've tried it several times and to be honest, I don't really like the shield

Haven't even escaped asphodel with it

how do I use it better?

[mint coral]

do you have aspects unlocked yet

[placid coral]

yeah I've won 3 times

sword rail and gauntlet

(you see why I'm turning here for help with this lol)

[mint coral]

get zeus shield if possible

[placid coral]

already got that one

[mint coral]

zeus special, static discharge, focus poms on static

that's pretty much the build

[placid coral]

sounds interesting

[mint coral]

you can use it like a yoyo by constantly throwing and recalling the shield to the enemy (even better if you get explosive return hammer)

or recall it then dash around the room with the shield chasing you

[mint coral]

anything else is a big bonus

zeus call + aphro into their duo, arty-zeus duo

double strike into legendary

if you don't find charged shot just adding something like ares attack can be nice

[placid coral]

well

[placid coral]

Just got hit with a good old bit if rng

[mint coral]

lmao

[placid coral]

uhh hang on

[mint coral]

with charged def prefer a % attack

[placid coral]

if I give up, grab zeus's keepsake

will the hammer still function same way?

[mint coral]

hammer won't change yeah

give up keeps the same seed

[placid coral]

wonderous

iirc speedrunners use that alot

[mint coral]

nope

most people run unseeded

and thus have to show a death before the run to prove it is unseeded

[placid coral]

ah

makes sense

[mint coral]

modded any heat also adds a quick death combo

so you don't spend 5 mins waiting for something to kill you lol

[placid coral]

what's your favorite keepsake? Just as a random thing

[mint coral]

charon's or spoiler keepsake prob

without counting the ones from the gods

[placid coral]

spoiler?

you mean ||hades's||?

[mint coral]

oh yeah

[placid coral]

I've already been hit with that one

:c

[mint coral]

ah rip

but yeah those 2 are prob my favs nowadays

[placid coral]

sometimes I forget this game is 4 years old

it just doesn't feel like an old game with how good it is

genuinely best 10 bucks I've spent on games

wow

30 damage per hit

plus the 12 you get from the shield itself

I see why this is so strong

[mint coral]

Zeus shield big funny

[placid coral]

I'm in funny level one so the deficite doesn't matter too much

but should I take more health, more dash-strike damage, or more backstab damage from chaos

well hidden rewards do give a bit of anxiety but ah well

[mint coral]

Which buff has that curse

[placid coral]

the dash strike

[mint coral]

I'd prob just take hp

[placid coral]

fsir

extra foes means more obels too :D

[mint coral]

Oh

Is this no heat

[placid coral]

yep

doing all the weapons without heat before moving on

[mint coral]

Yeah ig +foes is not the worst

Generally you wanna avoid that one

[placid coral]

really?

considering the fact I only really die to bosses it doesn't seem like much of a worry

well unless you have tight deadline ig

[mint coral]

Deadline is of the most recommended pacts

But also the more you climb heat the rooms become a bigger issue over bosses

Cuz they are all faster/deal more dmg/have extra perks/etc

[placid coral]

huh

seems interesting

[mint coral]

Meanwhile bosses are super predictable

So if you refine your gameplay is kinda chill

[placid coral]

me just combing the room with the tazer shield following me like I'm walking a dog

so I just got poseidon

and I got tempest strike, hydraulic might, or sunken treasure

any of those sound good?

(first and third are epic, second is rare)

um so

i just got sea storm

is that a good one?

[mint coral]

Is solid, I assume you got it from the attack?

If yes I'd sell the attack

[placid coral]

well darn

is the attack bad or smth?

[mint coral]

Your shield attack has knockback by default so sea storm still works and pos's attack has the lowest %

[placid coral]

I thought launching enemies across the room was funny

[placid coral]

it does?

shocking

[mint coral]

Yup

[placid coral]

guess I just have to hope I can sell it this next set

[mint coral]

I'd suggest his dash instead if you wanna mess with knockback

It + breaking wave completely nullifies styx

[placid coral]

well tbf I have Athena atp

so uhh

[mint coral]

Fair enough

[placid coral]

what's breaking wave exactly?

I forgor

[mint coral]

Enemies that hit a wall/another enemy create a water explosion

[placid coral]

ooo

with how small styx rooms are

[mint coral]

Yup

[placid coral]

I can see how brutal that can be

[mint coral]

Ping pong

[placid coral]

styx is currently my most successful area tho (if you don't count hades himself)

I feel like Athena's aid does not seem good

especially while I'm primarily using zeus

hang on why do I have 600 obels

what

[mint coral]

Athena is always decent really

Just spam the lesser calls so you get some free windows to hit whatever's in front of you

[placid coral]

fair

I just seem to time calls just right to accidentally have the boss be impervious

[placid coral]

but I wanna use zeus's call for the time being once I get it

so

[mint coral]

That comes with practice, also fair fair

Zeus call big fun

That's the other benefit of lesser calls

[placid coral]

wait I'm on chamber 22

when is funny hydra?

[mint coral]

24, next room is shop

[placid coral]

kk

so I've got Hermes, heart, or shop

[mint coral]

Heroes is at 36, 34 being last combat

[placid coral]

ig shop would be best here

considering my vast riches

(606 obels)

[mint coral]

Do you have static discharge yet?

[placid coral]

don't think so hang on

nope

[mint coral]

And is this first or 2nd Hermes

Ah just take shop

[placid coral]

second

[mint coral]

What was the first hermes

[placid coral]

greater haste

epic

Shop is poseidon :|

[mint coral]

Damn

[placid coral]

oo breaking wave did show up

uhh does that also work with normal shield?

[mint coral]

As long as they get the wall slam

[placid coral]

cool

[mint coral]

What's your entire pool atm
Zeus/athena/pos/?

[placid coral]

other options are razor shoals and typhoon, everything common

if bosses could be slammed, typhoon would be fun

[mint coral]

If you are gonna sell the attack prob just B.wave

[placid coral]

thing is, I have a lot of boons atp

[mint coral]

And typhoon is vastly inferior to breaking

[placid coral]

not sure if I'll even get the option to sell the attack

also smth I forgot

I have 2 rerolls for boons/shop

[mint coral]

Just keep them for zeus

Pos attack stinks a bit but is 0 heat so might as well use it

[placid coral]

hang on

[mint coral]

If styx ain't too much issue and don't wanna bet on getting a better attack I'd take shoals instead, is a solid effect

[placid coral]

I have a yellow, kinda scaley looking shield that looks same shape as Hermes's shield thing

what that

[mint coral]

Do you have evergreen acorn keepsake equipped atm

[placid coral]

ohhh

yeah that'd be it

asphodel is kinda easy atp so I figured I'd level it up a bit

it's still 1* for me lol

[mint coral]

If it ranks up by the time you reach heroes I'd keep it

Is one of the strongest defensive keepsakes

[placid coral]

it might, I'll have to check once hydra perishes

13 encounters left uhh

I don't think it's gonna level up lol

and also poseidon dud not show up in the purge :c

[mint coral]

Yeah it doesn't

[placid coral]

wait I have a reroll

is that a good idea lol

[mint coral]

Who else has a % attack in your pool

Idk who your 4th god is