h1-discussion

[indigo badge]

castpects are pretty fun

[brisk trail]

The gun is so funny I think I'll just stick with it

[stiff obsidian]

Based

[tepid light]

castspect for rail which loads your casts into your special and casts them when it lands

using 'flares' like what beo has

[indigo badge]

imagine that with clockets 🤑

[placid coral]

32 heat first try i got to hades 🙏

[drifting lance]

What is the shortcut to go windowed from fullscreen in this game?

Alt+enter doesn't seem to work

[lavish sorrel]

there is none, toggle that in settings.

[old bluff]

Super late, but as Zyru always says, if you can’t make your own build, store bought is fine

[brisk trail]

What's the best weapon without any extra things? Just the kit

[gentle venture]

That’s super subjective cuz it depends on what you mean by best cuz they’re all good at different things

Cuz like one person might say the shield is the best cuz 6 of the top 10 speed runs in the world use one of the versions of the shield

[brisk trail]

Just the best overall

[gentle venture]

Yeah, in that case everybody’s gonna give you a different answer

[brisk trail]

Damn

[gentle venture]

Personally, I would say the fists cuz I like the way they feel, with the shield and spear being close seconds and thirds for me

Those second and third could change on the given day, judging by what I’ve been doing more recently though

[old bluff]

I think it goes Gun=Shield>Bow>Spear>Fists>Sword

[mint coral]

Oh I thought it meant aspectless lol

[brisk trail]

I mean that too

[mint coral]

So like, aspectless/boonless/hammerless?

[brisk trail]

Yeah, base kit

[mint coral]

Bow probably I'd say

[gentle venture]

Oh, in that case, I would maybe say the spear

[mint coral]

But those are some rough conditions

and also doesn't reflect in game at all so eh

No hammers spear is ew

[gentle venture]

It may play a little bit funky, but it’s easily the most well rounded in terms of good close and long range

[old bluff]

It's much better than that, only 5 out of the top 40 times are not Beo lmao

(modded)

[gentle venture]

How exactly does modding the game help with speed runs and doesn’t that kind of like diminish how good of a speed it is?

[old bluff]

It uses the speedrun modpack

It removes certain types of bs rng

[gentle venture]

How much of a difference is there between the #1 modded and #1 unmodded?

[old bluff]

34 sec

4:30 and 5:04

[rustic vale]

If anything it makes the game more about your skill and less about the rng you get in your run

[gentle venture]

interesting

[rustic vale]

Sure, you could reset until you get an epic core that you want and the hammer you need at the start of the run

[old bluff]

Ye

[rustic vale]

Or the modpack just makes it so that all 4 cores are available at epic at the start of the run

[old bluff]

A lot of unm is reseting for hammer

[gentle venture]

so like you’re saying that the speed running mod pack effect effectively makes it so that way then when you’re starting a run, you can effectively just pick your general build out right

[mint coral]

When I play modded and no longer have to see the barge of death 😌

[gentle venture]

Among other things

[mint coral]

Build wise it makes it so all cores show up on first boon and first hammer are guaranteed

So like, the blueprint of your build

[rustic vale]

and it makes it so when you’re in styx you always get the bag on your second tunnel

Instead of the like 48% chance of it being later than that

[old bluff]

It also removes bull miniboss

[mint coral]

And tony

[old bluff]

But that's because it was originally made for rta and bull loses so much time in rta

[gentle venture]

aw that’s my favorite one

[brisk trail]

I only have one really good keepsake, the lucky tooth 😭

[old bluff]

You can toggle it

To keep minibosses

[gentle venture]

thats huge

[rustic vale]

Getting all the god keepsakes is really easy

[old bluff]

It's def the nicest change

[rustic vale]

I mean imagine having your speedrun screwed by the 1% chance of a 5 sack

Or was it 2%

[gentle venture]

On my runs with Stubborn Defiance (cringe i know) it happens all the time

[brisk trail]

I'm trying to give a nectar to every character RN

[rustic vale]

SD isn’t cringe?

What are you on

like

[old bluff]

Stubborn is used in unm for faster resets lmao

[brisk trail]

Guys is lambent plume any good? Only other keepsake I started leveling

[rustic vale]

Idk what world SD is cringe to use

Lambent Plume suffers from a lot of opportunity cost

since like butterfly, once you take off the keepsake, you lose the bonus

[gentle venture]

I’ve heard that a lot of people don’t like it

[rustic vale]

so you effectively lock yourself into using it for the run if you want to maximise it’s bonus but you just end up shooting yourself in the foot by starting with it

[gentle venture]

Or at least if you’re not running high heat, it outlives some of its usefulness

[rustic vale]

SD is really good at like 32+ heat because you typically run LC4 and then you can’t heal from anything but dying and max hp bomuses

[gentle venture]

Meanwhile, I just use it because I’m bad

[brisk trail]

same

[rustic vale]

if your main concern is the average room compared to boss fights, then it’s good

so it’s like a bellcurve

[brisk trail]

The entire second floor is just so annoying 😭

The lava has killed me far too many times 😭

[rustic vale]

Why would I use this
Good. /. \good
_/. _

Oh

That did not look

Bruh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1345864812969594981/image.png?ex=67c619c8&is=67c4c848&hm=8148f520b5df452d49f8e99b2e589a42828c2b41fcccb0a0efb77b8df9da3f41&

[rustic vale]

you get used to the magma eventually

it's like a really good tool for reseting your stubborn defiance when you can't heal from literally any method but your defiance and max hp boosts, so asphodel's pretty cool at higher heat

until you accidentally go reset your SD after Lernie and lose the run

[rustic vale]

...I mean most people don't get to high heat, and if they are it's like 32 heat with whatever pact they homebrewed up

so I can imagine why

especially if your information source prior was Hades reddit

The certified Worst Place to get Hades Info™️

[gentle venture]

Yeah, that’s my problem, I get too cocky with regular enemies sometimes

[gentle venture]

Actually, most of the time I come to y’all

Lol

[rustic vale]

then it's quite odd for someone to trash on SD unless they haven't ever run like the lowest rung of high heat

[old bluff]

Def have more experienced players and accurate info in here

[gentle venture]

What’s the threshold that people consider the beginning of high heat?

I think my highest is six

[old bluff]

32 I think is the most common one

But it doesn't really matter

Because what is high heat for one person is low heat for another

[rustic vale]

I do think 32 is like

[gentle venture]

I definitely want to restructure the way I play, me and a couple of friends recently started a speed run race of all of the playstation trophies and i’m in last place because I fell off the train and stopped playing for a while and I kind of wanna play some catch-up

[rustic vale]

the lowest that most people will consider it

1-20 is when you're still doing bounties

and nobody really talks about the heat inbetween 20 and 32

[gentle venture]

A while ago, I was in here, trying to find the optimal set up for like copy and paste heat where I would just do the same four or five things every run to speed up the process

[rustic vale]

I mean there is a heat guide for what would be recommended all the way up to 32

for each level of heat

[gentle venture]

I think i had like heightened security, benefits package, and EM2?

[old bluff]

The pact for speed is Fo2 Em2

And td1

[gentle venture]

I think that’s like six?

A bunch of people were saying that if I was going for speed, then I should switch out benefits package for something else, but I can’t remember what

[rustic vale]

Forced Overtime 2 and Extreme Measures 2 both optimise your run for in-game speed, while tight deadline 1 cuts off the survival rooms which make you wait around for a minute (which saves IRL time but does sacrifice the in-game timer)

beenfits package would slow your game down

[gentle venture]

Forced overtime is where you only have a certain amount of time to get through each level, yeah?

[rustic vale]

no that's tight deadline

forced overtime makes enemies spawn faster, move faster, and attack faster

[gentle venture]

Oh

[brisk trail]

Shield block feels op 😭

[rustic vale]

which does save you time since you can kill all the enemies sooner, you spend less travel time trying to kill enemies cuz they waddle to you faster, and they attack faster for any zeus builds (where the Jolted effect from static discharge deals damage more often)

it's really just fine, not OP

[old bluff]

It's pretty good

[rustic vale]

it's good, but not game breaking or anything

[old bluff]

Def not broken

[fervent radish]

32

[gentle venture]

I’ll have to try that out

[fervent radish]

block is fine

bull rush iframes are mega broken though

[brisk trail]

I think it could just be a shield thing but I can spam the charge easier by holding square and spamming r1

[gentle venture]

I think after I beat that one, if I haven’t already, my plan was to move up to Em3

[latent moon]

no it's definitely broken, spears can hit through it

[fervent radish]

i don't know what those mean

[fervent radish]

and greatshields

[old bluff]

You so right

[fervent radish]

and asterius

[old bluff]

mb

[rustic vale]

forced overtime does take a bit of getting used to, but once you have it on, you kinda just never turn it off

[gentle venture]

Is heightened security the trap one or the more enemies one, my brain is dying

[old bluff]

Trap

[rustic vale]

where traps deal more damage

5 times as much damage

[gentle venture]

Then I was wrong about my build of six heat, I was thinking about the one that adds more enemies

I did used to run heightened security, but I kept getting screwed by yknow

Traps

it was em2, benefits package, and the more enemies one

[old bluff]

Jury summons

[gentle venture]

THAT one

That was the one that people were saying I should switch out

[old bluff]

You should

It makes run take longer

[gentle venture]

I argued that it was technically fine because the extra enemies, were generally negligible with the damage I was doing

[mint coral]

it's all fine until the enemies start spawning one by one

[gentle venture]

Oh yeah, that’s right

[old bluff]

It's all fun and games until you get a 45 second ely room

[rustic vale]

I would avoid that one

like the plague

Jury Summons and the other ones that just make rooms longer can just make the game a slog tbh

[gentle venture]

I think my fastest run is somewhere around 19 minutes

I don’t even remember what heat it would be anymore, but probably low?

[rustic vale]

Tight Deadline should be free for you then

[gentle venture]

if any to be honest

[rustic vale]

the first 2 levels at least

First 2 levels would give you 7 minutes per area before you start taking 5 damage a second but all the time you have from the previous area carries over to the next one

[gentle venture]

That’s how I see em1 and 2, it’s so negligible that they’re just on for every run now

[rustic vale]

I would absolutely turn on tight deadline two from your perspective then

Tight deadline 3 can maybe wait if your fastest run is just barely under that 20 minute mark because you’re still cutting it close

but if you wanted to turn it on you’d be fine

[gentle venture]

I’m gonna have to do some practice because I think I need to get back towards that lower time in the first place

I might turn on at least TD1

[rustic vale]

TD 2 is 28 minutes

Across your entire run

You should be absolutely fine

TD3 is 20 minutes across the full run which is why I went “maybe back off for a little while” but I can’t see TD2 being daunting

[gentle venture]

Depending on the way I approach it, I might be able to get to that in a week or two

Is there like a pact of punishment calculator somewhere

Outside of the game, obviously

[rustic vale]

I swear there is

[brisk trail]

I kinda wanna try dash only

Seems fun

[mint coral]

https://hadesheat.onrender.com/

[gentle venture]

Perfect thank you

So from what i understand, at least for a player of my skill level, this might be the most negligible heat build that would give me the most benefit

turn on Extreme Meausres 2, that’s 3 heat, Benefits package 1, that makes 5 total, forced Overtime 2, that’s 11 total, tight deadline is 14

[rustic vale]

sounds solid

I mean the only thing will be adjusting to forced overtime 2

which doesn't just happen in a heartbeat

[gentle venture]

Exactly

With that set up, you would be able to keep the same heat for 84 straight wins, if my math is right

[gentle venture]

That’s one win for each heat with each weapon

cuz the game tells you to move up one at a time, yeah?

[rustic vale]

it's more that you can't skip any heat bounties by going over

so you can absolutely just increase it by one at a time if you wanted

idk if it tells you anywhere to go up one at a time

more inferred

[gentle venture]

Assuming the game only ever asks you to move up one heat a time per weapon, that means that you could do the same heat level 14 times with a single weapon

[rustic vale]

you could yeah

[gentle venture]

15 times if you have never used it before and also use heat on your first run

So technically, that means my math is a TINY bit off

[rustic vale]

you can actually do it 20 times till the bounties on the weapon end at 20 heat

[gentle venture]

Well, yeah, that’s my point

The idea is that I create a set up That’s so negligible that it just becomes second nature to be playing at that difficulty

So that way, then by the time that I’m up to that 14th run, I can add stuff that only makes the existing conditions slightly more difficult or adds something else minor on

[fervent radish]

I’ve had 1:30 ely rooms with bad build

Maybe longer

[gentle venture]

The lowest heat possible in hell mode is five right?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[gentle venture]

I’m gonna test this one out tonight and see how negligible it is

[harsh scroll]

Rail has a cast aspect?

Zag is ammo, Eris is bomb yourself to deal extra dmg, Hestia is manual reload to deal extra dmg and Lucifer is alt moveset, the flares are Hera and Beowulf iirc

[gentle venture]

I think they’re saying hypothetically

[gentle venture]

But currently no

[harsh scroll]

Ohhhh mb I'm lv. 100 stupid

[harsh scroll]

"Currently" like H1 is ever updating again 🙏

[gentle venture]

The only thing I can think of is maybe eris, does that boost your damage with everything?

[harsh scroll]

I think it buffs Attack only, haven't tested

Eris condition is so off I don't think anyone actually uses it

[gentle venture]

Personally, i wish that the cast aspect for the spear wasnt guan yu

I wish it was Hades, and it made your move set more identical to his, including the shockwave coming from the bloodstones that don’t lodge

[harsh scroll]

Hades should've been the hidden aspect imo

Spin attack lunges forward, cast throws the skulls that detonate into shockwaves upon auto returning

[gentle venture]

I’m not sure they would be able to take it that far because the entire point is that the hidden ones were from outside the pantheon, but that does sound cool as hell

[gentle venture]

And I think they could keep the spin attack the way it usually is but have a hammer to do the dash spin

[rustic vale]

Eris technically

If you’re going by “every weapon has a castpect” then it’s Eris for sure

[gentle venture]

What’s the fists’ castspect?

[old bluff]

Talos

But it's trash

[gentle venture]

How is it talos?

[old bluff]

Bonus 50% Cast and attack damage on marked enemies

[rustic vale]

Cast damage buff

[gentle venture]

Right

its been so long since ive used it

i’m usually on Gilga or Demeter

[old bluff]

Castpect list goes something like Beo>Hera>Achilles>Eris>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Poseidon>Talos

(at low heat)

[gentle venture]

Achilles is considered the castpect?

[old bluff]

Ye

[gentle venture]

I thought it was guan yu for some reason

[old bluff]

150% cast damage go brr

[latent moon]

eris is a global damage boost, it buffs literally everything lmao

including your dash

[rustic vale]

0 bonus to casts on guan-yu

If eris only buffed attacks it would be so garbage

[harsh scroll]

Isn't it still garbage either way

[mint coral]

Lol

Eris is one of the strongest aspects

[harsh scroll]

The condition is way too weird for me

[fervent radish]

you mean achilles?

(nvm sorry)

[harsh scroll]

Poseidon is an Exit Wounds aspect more than anything

[rustic vale]

Hitting yourself with your special to get +75% additive damage on EVERYTHING?

The condition is asking for like the floor while giving you the world

It’s a massive boost in dps for the flat damage builds that rail normally runs

[old bluff]

Eris was considered the best weapon in the game for a very long time for a reason

Free blue rd is kinda stronk

[fervent radish]

depends. exit wounds kinda falls off and the cast should be main damage anyways

[latent moon]

i mean even if applying the boost is a little awkward, there's very few things in the game that can buff your global damage

and it's 1 of 2 things that can buff it by that much

it's not overly awkward at least, it's just a change in play style

[grand abyss]

I love the performance Darren Korb gives as Zagreus. It's like. The most unperturbed tone at all times and it's hilarious

[indigo badge]

this made me look up the voice actors and oh my god i refuse to believe orphy singing was done by zag's voice

one person CANNOT have that much range

it's too much power to be held by one man

[tepid plover]

Talking about range, shoutout to Logan, dude voices like 9 characters throughout both games

Also, since you mentioned Darren range, also remember he's the one composing the banging soundtrack of both games

A godlike staff if you ask me, pun intended

[indigo badge]

oh i already knew about logan

the thing is, most of Logan's characters sound kinda the same
zag and orphy singing are NOTHING alike

[tepid plover]

Do they tho? Pos sounds nothing like ||poly, or chronos||

I agree with you tho, Darren got an angelic voice

Supergiant def hit the lottery with him

Super talented individual

[indigo badge]

see, poseidon sounds like hades, and hades definitely sounds like ||poly||. but yeah ||chronos|| caught me off guard

[jovial dove]

epic tier different league? absolutely taking that

love that 15% dmg reduction

[stiff obsidian]

bro

[tepid plover]

yeah, speechless

back in my days eris was the goat for speedrunning

[stiff obsidian]

🧓

[tepid plover]

a full on boomer

[stiff obsidian]

[tepid plover]

i heard the kids are using beowulf nowadays

[old bluff]

Ye

Beo the 🐐

[stiff obsidian]

beo the cheese\

[harsh scroll]

The hate I got for disliking Eris caused EM4 Hades to summon 3 Dire Soul Catchers 🙏

[lavish sorrel]

Spaghetti tastes great, can't blame them

[brisk trail]

the worst weapon in hades is the trident or spear or whatever dude

the last aspect sucks it gives me 30 health like what

and the spinning attack is so annoying to try to regain health with

unless theres a bunch of grouped enemies which is usually common in temple of styx or sometimes elysium

Bow is the best tho. The Chiron aspect is so satisfying and easy plus the Rama aspect looks so cool and also is really unique

[raw herald]

guan yu has a 64 heat completion

[harsh scroll]

That's a Daedalus issue I think

You get Quick Spin and Massive Spin and you can clear every chamber on max HP

• I think don't use Guan Yu without maxing it since it restores a bit of your lost health bar

[tepid plover]

disliking it is one thing, saying is bad, is just objectively wrong

[stiff obsidian]

but does a 64 heat completion have a guan yu

[harsh scroll]

I'm a professional ragebaiter

[old knoll]

Hi, is there a limited number of titans blood and diamonds to get on erynies and hydra? Its been a few times i activate new rewards with the challenges, but they still give me only darkness

[fervent radish]

It is limited. You can get rewards for 0-20 heat on each weapon

One diamond, one ambrosia, and 2 blood

If you’re not getting the rewards, you probably haven’t completed the rewards for the previous heat or have already completed those rewards

[old knoll]

i didnt beat hades with the spear, i guess thats why i dont get new rewards with challenges ?

when i play the spear i mean

[fervent radish]

No you should be getting them 🤔

Can you send a picture of your pact screen

The one you see to modify the challenges

[old knoll]

actually its not only for the spear, i played the sword with i already finished the game, and even when the challenge tells me "new rewards unlocked" when i pick the right temperature, i dont get titans bloods, diamonds nor ambrosia

i think it might be a bug because i got them with the shield

[tepid plover]

dm me a pic of your pact

[stiff obsidian]

just share it here

[old knoll]

can't upload here but i can dm

[fervent radish]

You can send a media link

[old knoll]

media link ?

[fervent radish]

If you right click and copy media link you can post it here

[old knoll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1346161791180210358/1346161865067073556/Hades.png?ex=67c72e6f&is=67c5dcef&hm=b2e1dce32328b25888558dbfa1101a05113b0881dfa2d77ef7f725c82a822fcb&

[fervent radish]

Ok yeah so you have to get the last bounty before attempting the ones for 2 heat

[old knoll]

aah okay i see

thank you 🙂

[fervent radish]

Ofc gl

[stiff obsidian]

need tags in this server

[fervent radish]

Wdym

[autumn jewel]

some discord bots can reproduce pre-written messages, and those are sometimes called tags for no good reason

[fervent radish]

Ohh ikwym

Yea that would be good. The modding server has them

[gentle venture]

Oh, so like we could have a bot answer certain questions just by automatically detecting our text?

[fervent radish]

No it would be more like:
You: “common question”
Me: “?xyz”
Bot: “pre written answer”

[gentle venture]

I wish I knew anything more about discord because the pokemon infinite fusion discord has a bot that automatically answers certain questions by protecting parts of the message

So like somebody would ask in like general how to catch mewtwo and the bot would automatically drop the steps in chat

There was also a separate chat, dedicated to asking the bot questions, and they have a role that makes it that way you’ll be excluded from the bot’s automatic answers outside of that chat if you want

So like we could have a bot where somebody could come in to chat and be like “ how do I unlock the hidden sword aspect”
And then the bot would answer for us

[gentle venture]

It would be useful, but we would definitely have to do it as a chat only because there would be no way to prevent the bot from answering about the wrong game in the wrong spot

[gentle venture]

What is the earliest you can unlock aspects? Is it like automatically after you unlock all of the weapons or is there another pre-requisite i’m forgetting?

[brisk trail]

got the queen back

[gentle venture]

I just got the fists and like immediately also completed the list objective to meet all the cthonic gods so i got 10 keys

Will the ability to buy aspects unlock once I have the rail or is there gonna be some sort of other steps or like “play a few runs” sort of deal

It’s been a long time since I played the beginning of the game

[rustic vale]

You have to head into a single run

get all weapons, head into a run, die, get aspects

I got my aspects as early as run 7 on my recent save file, but you could definitely earlier if I had gotten the keys

[gentle venture]

That’s great so I should probably be able to unlock aspects tonight, then I can focus on the rest of my mirror cause right now I only have up to thick skin unlocked

It’s really weird playing the beginning of the game again because I have a mostly finished profile on the switch, so everything is a little fuzzy

[dusky silo]

i think i found the best set up i can for boons gods

so far i have been using Athena, Dyo, Artemis and Poseidon

they have the best duos in average (considering im not fan of special or cast)

and got a great sinergy

loving the building builds lol

[fervent radish]

it does depend on the aspect and which boons you have

[dusky silo]

yeah, so far is perfect for me doing the sword zagreous aspect

i will have to modify it mostly on weapons where i rely on special and not attack

[fervent radish]

Tidal dash and Dionysus attack sounds good

With pressure points and hunters mark

[harsh scroll]

Gilgamesh would be awesome if Maim didn't increase enemy damage so much

[rustic vale]

Eh

Gilgamesh would be about the same if it didn’t ngl

[latent moon]

It wouldn't be as bad lmao

Just don't get hit tbh

[rustic vale]

But it’s gilgamesh

[latent moon]

Just don't get hit

[fervent radish]

gilga would still feel bad. numbers would just be less bad

[rotund nacelle]

Hola

[narrow loom]

what if maim didn't have the enemy damage and the dashes were normal

[rustic vale]

Would just be slower fists

which gilgamesh is already

If it still had extra dashes it’d be pretty solid

[narrow loom]

I'm saying

what if it had the extra dashes

but they were like full dashes

yk

aren't the gilga dashes nerfed?

[rustic vale]

Shorter dashes, dashes take longer to recharge

Its dash-strikes are slower

[narrow loom]

what if it wasn't like that 😔

Gilga is already ass so it wouldn't make it busted I think

[rustic vale]

I mean if it had normal dashes it would be a lot better

[latent moon]

ngl the biggest issue is the dash strike

it's just... slower lmao

if they were normal distance it'd be better ofc but that's not like the biggest issue

ngl i dont think most people notice the shorter dash distance, mostly bc they realize they get more of them lmao

also the shorter dashes can make ME better in certain situations

[fervent radish]

biggest issue for me feels like input carryover for dash strikes

[latent moon]

yeah that

[fervent radish]

it's so hard to empty dash on gilga

[latent moon]

oh nvm different thing

isn't that like

a you problem lmao

feels more user end rather than aspect?

does that happen to you with other fists

[fervent radish]

no lol

i can empty dash just fine on other fists, but i feel a very distinct carry over from my attack input into the next empty dash

i swear i'm not crazy. leereamsnyder talks about it too

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[rain tundra]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[latent moon]

funky

[fervent radish]

it feels immediately off when i play gilga vs another aspect

[rain stirrup]

I have a question

Zag is bi right?

[indigo badge]

yes

quite common by greek mythology standards

[brazen matrix]

He's just a normal god, being bi and all of that

[harsh scroll]

But what is he the god of

(Pretend I didn't read any codex)

[fervent radish]

Masochism

[harsh scroll]

Explosive Shot on Rama feels like masochism indeed

[tepid light]

i've been there

it's horrible but the numbers are funny

you basically have to shove your face into enemies and shoot them point blank in order to not spend huge amounts of time doing anything

[regal flax]

so im replaying H1 for the story, if I beat the game in like 15 tries will I miss a bunch of dialog? I dont remember how long it took me to beat it originally but I know it was a lot more attempts

[lavish sorrel]

If memory serves me right, much of the dialogue is unrelated to how fast you clear for the first time.

And no matter what you do in Hades the videogame, you will never be able to get all voicelines during a single playthrough due to mutually exclusive triggers

(First-run dad pre-fight dialogue, and the romance scenes come to mind, but I'm certain there are more than just these)

[regal flax]

I just thought that meeting Persephone was basically the start of the endgame, but I havent played the story in years so I forget

[lavish sorrel]

Nah

That's like the 1% mark of what the game has to offer tbh

[lavish sorrel]

(Mildly biased, you're talking to someone who's more than gotten their worth out of the game's full price lmao)

[indigo badge]

oh wait there's a dialogue for reaching hades in a fresh file?

i really gotta do some more fresh file attempts now that I'm better at the game

[lavish sorrel]

glhf

as my server nickname suggests, I would love to help if necessary

[indigo badge]

how hard is fresh file in terms of heat

i assume it's about as hard as 50ish heat?

[lavish sorrel]

Aspect-dependant

For zeus it'd probably be 50, yeah

For frickin' gilgamesh it's probably more along the lines of 45

[fervent radish]

55...

[lavish sorrel]

nah

[fervent radish]

but i am biased

[lavish sorrel]

Yes, yes you are 👍

[fervent radish]

i think 1 life for the whole run makes the game harder than extra enemies and BP

but we'll see. I shall revisit after 64

[indigo badge]

i will do more serious tries in nowruz holidays

the strat is to get merciful end right?

[lavish sorrel]

This is very different, enemies and projectiles in ff don't don't come at you at mach 5 as opposed to in high heat

[indigo badge]

oh god i forgor it's gonna be without forced overtime 💀

[fervent radish]

hey only 30% of them come at you at mach 5

[indigo badge]

istg i will die to hades cause i dash the spin too soon

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah the rest come at you at mach 4

[fervent radish]

watch out for dad spin timings

[lavish sorrel]

[indigo badge]

not having tight deadline is cool though

[fervent radish]

yeah

[indigo badge]

i can play like a scaredy cat and just take 50 minutes

[fervent radish]

yeah

man i had a dream i was playing fresh file last night

[lavish sorrel]

Time to make it true

[stiff obsidian]

[lavish sorrel]

(/j I know it's on your to-do list after 64)

[stiff obsidian]

this reminds me

time to install hades on my chromebook

after i figure out how to permanently mount this sd card on it

[fervent radish]

don't want to risk messing up my dad fight muscle memory

[indigo badge]

what does "freshfile spreadsheet person" mean

[fervent radish]

catching a spin in 64 would be very cringe

[indigo badge]

catching spins is cringe in general

[fervent radish]

tru

[lavish sorrel]

I have a spreadsheet with every single ff clearer I am aware of

[indigo badge]

oh damn

[lavish sorrel]

Some people don't submit their stuff or even don't have a recorded / valid run, so a sheet is a great way of tracking statistics

[indigo badge]

how many people are in the list 👀

and more importantly, how many finished without getting merciful end?

[fervent radish]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156ktJ-rM-nBe5Qx1sexyrk5IuSVh4ByWA_3ItKZsssc/edit?gid=1988987974#gid=1988987974

[stiff obsidian]

45 when @indigo badge

[indigo badge]

omg just 128? now I'm REALLY tempted

[indigo badge]

once I'm done with my next exam

college be kinda time consuming ngl

[stiff obsidian]

real

[lavish sorrel]

I could spend an afternoon to figure that out actually (and setup an easy way to track it, but it's quite tricky given I don't have screenshots for everyone and hence can't know what some peoples' build was. I could go and ask those people, but 1: it'd likely not be worth the effort and 2: humans are prone to forgetting.

[indigo badge]

ah well, it would've been interesting to know

[fervent radish]

you could just check src

[lavish sorrel]

very skewed, as runs without ME tend to not end up being people's best time

And most people without a clear using ME don't submit to src

[fervent radish]

yeah i was going to follow up with that and forgot 😅

[harsh scroll]

Ok so apparently I can attack and dash without cancelling? So Dash Nova on Stygius is just the Sturdy effect?

[fervent radish]

Attack and dash turns into a dash strike

But yeah dash nova is a little redundant

Better to take super into double

[rain stirrup]

zag is bi right?

[fervent radish]

are you alright?

[rain stirrup]

yeah

why r u asking

[fervent radish]

you asked the same question

[hoary elk]

Sooo I started playing like a week ago and got true ending yesterday but despite that, there's still no option for me to give Hades a second nectar, any events I need to trigger?

[rustic vale]

Yeah, let me pull up the requirements

[hoary elk]

I talked with him a few times and it shows me in the notebook that it should technically be possible for me to gift it to him, but somehow it's not

[rustic vale]

You have to actually reach the credits before you can gift him past his first heart

[hoary elk]

By credits you mean the boat ride?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[hoary elk]

Then I did

[rustic vale]

Hmm

[hoary elk]

I even killed him like 2 or 3 more times

[gray apex]

So the heart doesn't appear locked?

[hoary elk]

nope

there's a heart with a bowtie

[rustic vale]

you’re just be getting screwed by rng afaik

[hoary elk]

but when I walk up to him with 5 nectars, the game doesn't show me the option to gift it

[rustic vale]

you can’t always gift him from what I remember, arbitrarily, as if he’s too busy for it

heavy on the iirc

[hoary elk]

Same with Thanatos I assume?

[rustic vale]

Similiarly

[hoary elk]

I really want to do the romance route with him but that dude either disapears without a talk or doesn't let me give him nectar

[winter scarab]

Find him in the house, also occasionally he stops to talk with you after you beat him

Thanatos is just a waiting game

[winter scarab]

I think there is a dialouge trigger

[hoary elk]

alright, thanks

[dusty charm]

How many rooms does it take for rare crop to get a boon to heroic?

[old bluff]

9 combats

[dusty charm]

And in Styx it counts each door you pick, not each room per door right?

[old bluff]

no

It's for each room in Styx for Crop

[dusty charm]

I feel like I could have worded it better

[old bluff]

Just in case, Crop counts for each individual room in the tunnel

[dusty charm]

Wait not just for the 5 where you pick which to go through?

[tepid light]

Every single small individual room in the tunnels counts as 1 room for the purpose of rare crop and other boons like it

[mint coral]

It only works like that for mom's pom too

Hydro might/plume/butterfly only count at the last chamber

[old bluff]

Hydro might not working is so wack lmao

[mint coral]

Ik right

[tepid light]

Phrasing here is a bit odd

[mint coral]

English very good my bad

[winter scarab]

I think it’s 3(?) per encounter so it would take 9 chambers, it calculates like the Pom blossom rather than the counting used by lambent plume

[harsh scroll]

Pom Blossom my beloved

[lavish sorrel]

[stiff obsidian]

[indigo badge]

:dread:

[autumn jewel]

how about thanatos' keepsake

[tepid light]

Not sure

[autumn jewel]

I reckon not because I've been bamboozled in one run

[mint coral]

@autumn jewel

[red tundra]

this game is fun. :)

[indigo badge]

hades is, in fact, goated with the sauce

[jovial dove]

just completed my first boonless run

[autumn jewel]

I'm blind thanks

[faint viper]

I have a random question- if I get an achievement on the Switch and I have cross-saved enabled with steam, will I get that achievement on Steam?

[mint coral]

depends on the achievement

one time things like the first escape would sync

stuff like "sell a legendary" won't

[faint viper]

so Skelly's prizes would?

[harsh scroll]

Both Plume and Butterfly only work on the final encounter of each tunnel

[rustic vale]

Ok what’s with the recent massive uptick in people coming in after a question has already been answered by other people and reanswering it, like that’s my thing

I’m having my job stolen from me

[fierce junco]

i hope several people answer this

[brisk trail]

i exhausted the option to give meg gifts and i got the queen back, when will i get the option to give ambrosia to meg? like do i have to do something specifically or is it rng

[fervent radish]

Rng I think

[brisk trail]

i see

[drifting lance]

Omg, I never raged so much at a game

I think the only game that tops this is geometry dash

However created the Elysium enemies deserves to have both sides of his pillow warm for eternity

În the name of fooking Hades

[lavish sorrel]

Hades is a test of patience. If you rage as much at hades as you say you are, that's a lack of patience.

The less you expect going in, the less you can be disappointed.

[drifting lance]

I'm a bow main💀

I'm really trying to like it cause everyone says it's op, but God damn is it slow

[old bluff]

I would recommend dashstiking

[lavish sorrel]

It takes a while to get used to this game's pace and mechanics. If you aren't good at a thing, there's always the invention of playing more so as to improve at the things you suck at.

[brisk trail]

it might not be your thing then, im not well with exagryph instead so im trying to not use it much

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah, exactly, you can keep at it or switch to something else. Just know that you won't get better at the things you refuse to practice.

[rustic vale]

Possibly, but if one is saying “bow is slow” then the first issue is likely

incorrect usage

before you can tell whether or not it’s your thing

[drifting lance]

I'm doing it right, it's just slow compared to other weapons

The special is the only reason I didn't ditch the bow, lol

Anyways

Back to grinding 🫠

[rustic vale]

Crazy

[rustic vale]

Like

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=67c999e2&is=67c84862&hm=a6378b4fd8183ba0504d908e7ac0a5a996511938a92abf20b3a4496ec86917e3&

Bow is

as fast as you need it to be

and that’s on like the third best aspect

[drifting lance]

What boon is lvl 4?

[rustic vale]

I’m just saying this because the first issue I commonly see people having with bow is that they aren’t dash striking

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite strike

There’s more going on there like

The first 10 seconds have hydraulic might

I have twin shot as well

[old bluff]

No you don't

[rustic vale]

wait

Hmm

It’s either perfect or close then

[old bluff]

It's perfect I think

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite is nice here because she has the highest raw +% modifier and the best pom scaling, and since it’s the zagreus aspect, you can slot in artemis to get heart rend and apply that to all your crits

On other aspects you might want different strike boons depending on your build

Whoops forgot to make that replying to the question

[winter scarab]

Tbf Rama can be quite slow

[rustic vale]

Even on Rama the dashstrike makes up for it and shared suffering really does go a long way in reducing your room times like

[winter scarab]

It’s raw damage is nuts but i find that it’s hard to pull off shots sometimes

Dash strike feels a little weird as well but I’ve never really tried bow dash strike

[rustic vale]

…you’re kind of missing out on like

the best thing bow has in its tool kit

as pictured above

[rustic vale]

Fully in colour too, amazing how far tech has come

[winter scarab]

Goddamn

Maybe I will actually play bow now

[latent moon]

Rama used to have the wr for speed lol

For like less than a day bc of croven but it did happen lol

[rustic vale]

I was midway trying to pull up the speedrun.com leaderboards to

actually verify that it was currently second of the bows

but it takes 8 years to load

[latent moon]

Probably is 2nd tbh

[winter scarab]

Leaderboards just Beowulf nowawdays 💔

[latent moon]

I don't think anyone did zag bow below 5:26 even modded

[old bluff]

Hera is at number 2 on both

[rustic vale]

I love speedrun.com 😁 🔫

[old bluff]

Hestia is 3rd in unm

[rustic vale]

Depends on the category

[winter scarab]

That’s the craziest run for me

[old bluff]

Zag bow wr is like 5:5x

modded

[latent moon]

Yeah that tracks

[winter scarab]

Hestia is one of my least liked aspects

[latent moon]

Rama 2nd fastest bow lmao

[old bluff]

Hestia is super good

[winter scarab]

If it was on the auto reload that would go miles

[winter scarab]

Yeah I just hate playing it

Empowered shot is not a very engaging bonus

[latent moon]

Base 150 kinda good tho

[old bluff]

Imo it's super fun lmao

[rustic vale]

Big damage goes boom

[winter scarab]

Def

[old bluff]

Only beaten out by Hera and Beo in terms of fun personally

[gray apex]

And Talos

[latent moon]

True

[winter scarab]

✅

[latent moon]

Wake up babe new unseeded unmodded 64 clear just dropped https://youtu.be/Osnijisn1bI?feature=shared

[old bluff]

Least insane playad achievement

[brisk trail]

What's a good aspect for beginners in general?

[fervent radish]

Any of the rails/shields/bows

Safe/ranged weapons

[brisk trail]

Is it just that good?

[fervent radish]

But anything should work pretty well as a beginner

I mean

[brisk trail]

Idk I only have 6 blood

[fervent radish]

Everything in the game is good for a beginner

Shield is good because of block

Rail and bow are good because long range is safer

[brisk trail]

I kinda wanna level zag aspect on the rifle

Eris aspect is worded weird, you have to stand in the blast, and you get the boost, right?

[latent moon]

Yeah

I'd recommend doing eris over zag rail if you wanted to put levels into zag rail

[brisk trail]

Also why do all weapons have a secret fourth aspect? Is it aspect of Hades or smth?

[latent moon]

Aspect of hades is a spear aspect lol

[brisk trail]

Tbf I've never used the spear or sword

Never used them

Well, I have, for like 3 runs each

[latent moon]

You'll find out at some point or you can look at the pins in #h1-story-discussion, beware spoilers and whatnot

[tepid light]

Why not use them more

[brisk trail]

I don't know, I just don't like them much

[opaque fiber]

This is perfection

[tepid light]

Fair enough

[brisk trail]

Because the extra dmg I presume?

[buoyant plank]

Bought the game yesterday. So far enjoying every minute

[brisk trail]

I think I'm going to put all my God blood into Eris aspect, do you guys think this is a good idea?

[brisk trail]

There's like 2 bad runs I've had ever and that's it

[tepid light]

Ehhhh

I wouldn't do it

You'll need Titan Blood to unlock the hidden aspects

And you might realize you wanted to upgrade other things more

[brisk trail]

I'll just do one for now >:3

[buoyant plank]

Ima say Theseus and Asterius got me stack for few hours. Straight up harder for me than some souls bosses lmao.

[tepid light]

Yeah they're a tough pair

[buoyant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/ornstein-and-smough-ornstein-smough-dark-souls-boss-fight-gif-23855321

They really gave me this vibes lmao

[marsh latch]

Does the Zeus lightning internal cooldown still apply using sea storm or does that duo bypass it?

I am talking about Hades 1 you bot

[brisk trail]

It always does this, Haruka.

[marsh latch]

First time in h1 chat lol

[brisk trail]

Oh, my mistake, sorry!

[marsh latch]

No it's fine.just had a burning question

[fervent radish]

It should still apply. Not aware of anything otherwise

[marsh latch]

Also I head that double strike doesn't care about the internal cooldown? Is that true?

[fervent radish]

It does kinda

You’ll get two strikes but your next attempted application won’t do anything if the internal cooldown hasn’t expired yet

So instead of 1-1-2-1 it’ll be 1-1-2-0

[marsh latch]

Does the second strike reset the cooldown?

[fervent radish]

No

[marsh latch]

Okay cool

[marsh latch]

So the double strike doesn't care about the cooldown but the next normal strike still will. Gotcha

[fervent radish]

Yeah p much

It doesn’t do anything on Zeus shield, but call and jolted still gets a nice dps boost

[stiff obsidian]

Yes I think it's a good idea

[stiff obsidian]

I didn't know that

[harsh scroll]

I think the main reason they're difficult is you're fighting 2 boss-tier enemies at once

Though Asterius alone makes up for 90% of that difficulty I think

[hoary elk]

Bruh

I was checking out all the aspects

with like 10 Titan's Blood

and wanted to see how Chaos' shield looks like upgraded

so I spent all of it on the shield, with the though of leaving the game and getting my TB back

....but I forgot and walked back into my room

Is there any secret strategies to it or is it just a bad aspect

[tepid plover]

What heat are you doing

[plain violet]

I'm so close to Completing the game Achievement wise, I only need Epilogue and Max keepsakes :3

[tepid plover]

yes

[tepid plover]

?

[hoary elk]

highest I got is 4, I'm pretty new to the game

[tepid plover]

so far all aspects are good then

why is he an idiot

isnt like he lost meg

why not?

anything wrong with that?

no

nothing wrong with it tho

classic

[autumn jewel]

love has no borders my friend

[tepid plover]

what does the normal way mean

[indigo badge]

this guy is just rage baiting

[tepid plover]

on god bruh

[indigo badge]

this is the third time he's asked if zag is bi

[tepid plover]

either rage baiting or just actually phobic

i see

so just homophobic

a man and a man is normal

is this bannable yet or?

[old bluff]

<@&456908176877551658> rule 1 :)

[hexed smelt]

[tepid plover]

crazy stuff

[void vigil]

checked message history, just a troll probably, buh-bye

[tepid plover]

bait used to be believable

[hexed smelt]

ah, thank you alma, i was about to do the same and he vanished

[void vigil]

they call me the fastest banne in the west

[hexed smelt]

waow...

[autumn jewel]

I'm stealing "buh-bye" for myself

[indigo badge]

no they call you alma | use spoilertags!

[hoary elk]

btw of Homo, why is Thanatos so hard to give nectar to, I want him as a boyfriend already

[void vigil]

its yours now... treat it with care

[tepid plover]

cant catch death

[indigo badge]

rng can be stupid sometimes

[hexed smelt]

man. trying to give him nectar when he just keeps running away..... LET ME LOVE YOU.......

[autumn jewel]

ok nvm I don't like "buh-bye" anymore ditching it rn

[hoary elk]

Like I swear to god, it's either he doesn't allow me to speak with him at all or he does but doesn't let me give him nectar

[tepid plover]

gift him before you speak

[hoary elk]

I do, but sometimes it's not even avaible

[autumn jewel]

zagreus when he shoves nectar to everyone

[tepid plover]

i dunno

[hoary elk]

hopefully I need only one more nectar for his quest

[indigo badge]

yeah until you have to give him ambrosia

[hoary elk]

It's gonna take months, but I will get my death boyfriend, idc

[stiff obsidian]

whys this server getting so many steam scams lately

[harsh scroll]

They're everywhere

[harsh scroll]

I think it's just bad

[rustic vale]

You can play it like it’s just zag shield, or you can lean harder into like dionysus special due to the special hitting 5 times

It’s not like the end of the world since blood is a renewable resource, just a minor setback

and at the very least, putting 5 titans blood in does allow you to unlock Beowulf

[indigo badge]

once you're done with all the character quests and companion upgrades, you can change all your ambrosia into titan blood

[rustic vale]

It’s easily the 4th best shield aspect, but it’s still a shield aspect in the end, and you are at the point where everything in game is viable

Fishing can net you a fair bit of titans blood either by straight up getting blood from the legendary fish in the overworld, or by trading up any of your other resources gained from fishing.

You can also save up 1200 obols for a 50:50 shot at a titans blood in the styx shop.

There are a few prophecies that award titans blood as a reward.
& that’s all without factoring in the ton of blood you’ll get from heat rewards so I wouldn’t worry too too much

It’s just a minor setback

[drifting lance]

Does choosing a boon that increases attack damage affect the dash-strike?

[lavish sorrel]

Nearly always, yes. There are some exceptions to the rule, but generally it does work like that

[drifting lance]

I'm using the Chiron bow and I got the hammer boon that adds 4 arrows to the special 😎

[lavish sorrel]

The stuff that doesn't apply to dashstrikes but does the regular attack is limited to certain hammers though I believe

[fervent radish]

cursed, shadow, heavy knuckle

splitter, cruel thrust

can't think of a boon that does that

[drifting lance]

I finally beat Hades for the first time

39 minutes with a bow

Damn I'm bad

[indigo badge]

repetition is the key to mastery 💪

[slender patrol]

If you dodge an attack do your revenge effects still happen?

[drifting lance]

Lmao, I put max heat and couldn't even pass the first encounter 💀

[indigo badge]

yeah you should heat it up slowly

[drifting lance]

Nah, I'm good with the game, lol. Imma just pass it a couple times more until I'm done with the story

[indigo badge]

you should still put in a little heat to get extra bounties, titan blood is great help

[drifting lance]

Yeah, I'll just do the minimum

[drifting lance]

Btw, speaking about the story...I thought I would go to the Olympus after defeating Hades

[indigo badge]

the whole point was Zagreus trying to find his mother

[drifting lance]

Yeah but...OLYMPUS

[indigo badge]

the olympians think you're trying to get to them

[indigo badge]

😔

[drifting lance]

Oooow, right

Too bad though

I really wish the game let us go to olympus

Does Hades 2 take us there?

[indigo badge]

Persephone's garden is still beautiful though

[indigo badge]

erm, this channel is for hades 1 discussions 🤓

[drifting lance]

Brotha we got garden and OLYMPUS, make a pick😂

[drifting lance]

You really wanna go to another channel for one question

[indigo badge]

well if you really wanna know, ||yes you visit olympus||

[drifting lance]

Let's gooo

[indigo badge]

but that's all we know for now

[drifting lance]

Wdym for now?💀

[indigo badge]

the game isn't complete yet

it's in early access

[drifting lance]

Ow...I thought it was released completely last year

[indigo badge]

no that was just the early access release

[latent moon]

There was recently an update adding more to the early access lmao

It seems almost done so I'd expect the full release some time later this year

[drifting lance]

Omg, we don't even play Zagreus in the next one💀

Kill me

[indigo badge]

if they only want to do one more major update then yeah late 2025 is possible

[indigo badge]

the new protagonist is honestly pretty good

if you have more questions you can ask in #h2-for-new-players

[winter scarab]

All the regions have been added except for the post clear areas like Greece

[winter scarab]

Definitely less in depth character tho

[indigo badge]

yes dairy farmer I'm playing the early access, I'm trying not to spoil anything

[harsh scroll]

Pick a random aspect and a random god I'm tryna do some meme run

[fervent radish]

Zeus shield Aphrodite special

Picked completely at random

[harsh scroll]

No not the boon just the god

[fervent radish]

O ok

Ares

[harsh scroll]

I wonder how much value am I getting from Dire Misfortune on that

[fervent radish]

Very little

You’re better off using merciful end

[harsh scroll]

Never understood how Merciful End really works tbh

[fervent radish]

Apply doom with something and then use an ability that deflects to activate it

[harsh scroll]

Oh my goodness gracious Impending Doom

[harsh scroll]

Dad started walking back and forth after Poseidon's Aid ended. I think Sea Storm water splashed on his eyes

[tepid plover]

There's an entire game where you play as zagreus, is called Hades

[harsh scroll]

Why's it called Hades if the protagonist is Zagreus

[tepid plover]

Maybe Hades was the friends we made along the way

[crisp echo]

@harsh scroll @tepid plover in mythology the underworld is named Hades just as the person that rules it so zagreus is trying to escape Hades hints the name of the game do some research bro

[tepid plover]

"In my mythology"

[brisk trail]

pulled off my 1st attempt at 12 heat

[harsh scroll]

"In my mythology"

[autumn jewel]

"in my mythology"

[crude bolt]

I was today days old when I learned that Asterius has an idle animation

[rustic vale]

It’s crazy how my time-in to skill out massively differs between games like

I’m struggling to get eclipse 1 and 2 on characters in RoR2 with similiar time in to when I was doing 32 heat in Hades

[lavish sorrel]

Never played a risk of rain game (hence have no idea what eclipse is), but I'll just assume that you're saying you suck at ror more than you did at hades with similar playtime

[rustic vale]

I think so

It’s like

It’s not similiar playtime ato

[harsh scroll]

Olympian aspects are rather fun I must say

[summer idol]

Pro tip for people determined to grind out officer ranks.
https://imgflip.com/i/9k1j7y

[hoary elk]

question

is the Nyx's favor price a significant number?

I always really like all the easter eggs and this looks like one

[rustic vale]

I believe it’s a reference to the total number of greek gods and goddesses

…and also because people complained that 8888 was too high during early access

[hoary elk]

oh 😭

yeah I think it was

[indigo badge]

what is "nyx's favor price"

[hoary elk]

3142 darkness

[indigo badge]

oh right, I've forgotten most of the story stuff

[winter scarab]

New 64 heat run

[stiff obsidian]

wat'

[indigo badge]

i think he means playad's rama run

[winter scarab]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

got my 1st win on exagryph finally

[peak carbon]

Yall I got a sub 16 mimute run

[rustic vale]

Nice

[peak carbon]

So proud of it

Baby's first sub 20

[stiff obsidian]

Nice

[peak carbon]

I wish nyx would show up

She's been gone for like 4 runs solid

[hoary elk]

the only sub-something my runs are suboptimal lmao

good job!

[peak carbon]

Mine too but nemmy goes hard

[winter scarab]

My best has been 16:16 for way too long

[harsh scroll]

Proer pro tip: refund the Mirror

[winter scarab]

Wait I never finished the well of Charon prophecy lmao

How do I get touch of Styx

[harsh scroll]

Stubborn Defiance

[winter scarab]

Dammit

What’s the trigger

Is it like a temporary extra one ornament

[harsh scroll]

Mirror of Night upgrade

[winter scarab]

Nah I mean like how kiss of Styx needs you to lose a DD

[mint coral]

nah

touch makes stubborn heal more

[harsh scroll]

You need it equipped

[winter scarab]

Alr

[harsh scroll]

The trigger is pretty much just have it enable I think

If it requires you to use it a few times I'm not sure

[mystic wraith]

Is there gonna be an android version of hades 😭 😭 🙏

[rustic vale]

Idk but like as far as I’ve heard the iphone’s mobile controls were kinda finnicky

so idk if you’re missing out too much

I wonder if it lets you connect a controller if you have one though 🤔

[mint coral]

It does yeah

[rustic vale]

Might actually be playable then

[timid mortar]

Cerebrus intervening in the fight for EM4 was crazy 😭

[tepid light]

i love em4 so much

[fervent radish]

Em4 is such a fire fight

[tepid light]

Indeed

[indigo badge]

i wish em4 was worth taking for heat just so i can experience it more 💔

[stiff obsidian]

😭

[harsh scroll]

The Cerberus pattern rarely hits you on the right river corner (next to the right pillar) afaik

[tepid light]

bruh

[fervent radish]

It is though

4 is huge iff you learn the fight

[indigo badge]

at around the 45ish mark

I'll definitely try to learn it for a few 50 heat runs

[wheat sorrel]

i love being able to do 600+ damage in chamber 6 🙏 peak gameplay fr

[wheat sorrel]

(and then i die to Theseus for the millionth time)

[harsh scroll]

Let me guess: Hestia?

[wheat sorrel]

nah, Artemis boon and a Daedalus Hammer upgrade

(also by the time i reached Theseus i had the potential to do 1000+ damage in one hit if i got lucky)

[stiff obsidian]

which wep tho..

[wheat sorrel]

Coronacht

[rustic vale]

You can pretty easily hit double that I think

Like twin shot and an epic aphrodite strike puts you at 400 base damage, then use the zag aspect’s innate crit chance

Wait it doesn’t

I’m crazy

[wheat sorrel]

i would send a screenshot of the build i had but i forgot to take one

[rustic vale]

Was it Rama?

I’m trying to think about what kind of additive you could mix to get 200 base damage on the regular bow chasis by chamber 6

[wheat sorrel]

gimme a sec

[rustic vale]

Nevermind I did infact forget that standing striking was a thing

[grand abyss]

First run cleared o7

[wheat sorrel]

niceeee

[grand abyss]

Threw Hands.

I thought the Spear would be better (since it's my go to in H2) but I really enjoy the fists

[indigo badge]

you played h2 before h1? 😂

[grand abyss]

It was gifted to me by a friend.

[indigo badge]

well do finish h1 before you go back

knowing the full story will make you appreciate the second one more

[harsh scroll]

Does Sisyphus keepsake buff all 3 individually or does it buff all 3 so long as none of them are boon'd

[wheat sorrel]

just reached hades with nearly full health and 2 death defiance, probably still gonna lose tho xd

[mint coral]

Individually

[mystic wraith]

#Hades mobile port 2026 🙏

[fervent radish]

hades is on ios btw

through netflix

[winter scarab]

Individually I think

[winter scarab]

Netflix each month is starting to cost as much as hades

[hoary elk]

WOAH GOT MY FIRST SUB-20 RUN

I WASNT EVEN REALLY TRYING BUT

IM SO HAPPY

[winter scarab]

If you want ad free it’s like 18 💀

[hoary elk]

can you romance with Thanatos without romancing with Meg?

All of the guides mention Meg at some point and I know about the poly relationship you can get, but somehow he doesn't let me give him Ambrosia and idk if it's just because like it was with nectar or if I need to flirt with Meg first

[sand sky]

i dont think there's any requirement in either direction

you probably lack a few encounters/dialogues with than

[hoary elk]

probably

[harsh scroll]

Artemis aid, Clouded Judgement and Triple Beam Lucifer is like repeatedly pressing the president's nuke button

[rustic vale]

This but replace artemis aid with zeus or dionysus and replace triple beam with triple bomb

😁

Artemis aid try not the 40% of the damage to call gauge efficiency of dio call challenge

[harsh scroll]

I had a stroke reading the last message

[wheat sorrel]

just went into hades phase 2 with all 3 death defiances 🙏 wish me luck

[final anvil]

I’m trying to figure out how to advance my relationship with the characters

[final anvil]

Like I know amber and conversations do it but I’m stuck rn

[late heath]

Basically, give them nectar (and ambrosia after)

[late heath]

Yes

[late heath]

About this, you will have some interactions with Than before you can give him ambrosia

[hoary elk]

I maxed out the affinity a few minutes ago

[late heath]

Congrats, now you are dating death

[hoary elk]

YIPPIE

do I need to talk to him a few more times to make it official? I mean, if I didn't know that 4 ambrosia makes you date him, I don't think I would know that they're not just really close friends

NEVERMIND

HE"S IN MY ROOM

[late heath]

Go for it gal

[winter scarab]

Trying to read ts 💔

[winter scarab]

Give em nectar, if it’s a locked heart you have to do the dialogue/prophecy for their favor. Some are simple like pet Cerberus enough times but Hypnos takes a long time

[grand abyss]

So with the heat thing.

I'm going for trophies/achievements and I need to have 3 notches on the POP but Zagrius is saying there's no need to do that.

Will I get the previous heat rewards if I just go to 6? (Last time was 2 heat, 1 EM and 1 higher hp notch.)

[mint coral]

going higher than needed will claim the bounties for the lowest available

[grand abyss]

So it's just making thing harder than necessary for no benefit?

[tepid light]

Yeah, for the rewards, you're better off just increasing 1 heat at a time

[mint coral]

a good thing of doing it is that if you clear it without issues you can just repeat the pact till the requirements catch up

[rustic vale]

I’m so sorry

[tepid plover]

isnt it already ported?

jeez the message was form yesterday. my bad

didnt didnt refresh

[indigo badge]

only on iphone AND it's netflix exclusive

[stiff obsidian]

good

[indigo badge]

how much did netflix pay them to make it exclusive

[stiff obsidian]

remove it from netflix too

[tepid plover]

the way i see it, if it wasnt for netflix it probably never wouldve made it to mobile, so im not even mad

same goes for into the breach

only iphone is kind of a bummer tho

[harsh scroll]

No no it's fine

[brisk trail]

Hades mobile is genuinely fire tho

Kind of everyone has a netflix subscription these days

[tepid light]

LAUGHS

[brisk trail]

True

[jagged shoal]

I just kinda wish it was on android too lmao

[brisk trail]

Not even mad its only for ipad/iphone considering they run games nearly perfectly no bias at all totally

[uneven reef]

I remember there was a pin in this server for a guide to the pact of punishment but I can not find it can someone send me a link to the message

[mint coral]

Should be pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[uneven reef]

Ty

[indigo badge]

I'm not a movie or series guy, but when i do want to watch something, i look for it in the sea 🏴‍☠️ ⛵

[stiff obsidian]

understandable

[late heath]

The sea has all the answers

[grand abyss]

So what do i do with the ambrosia/alcohol

[stark glacier]

Ahoy, there matey. Aye, the seven seas hold the plunder.

While I do the same, I got suckered into Youtube Red when it came out, and now I can't live without it.

[lavish sorrel]

You give it to people to progress parts of the story! Ambrosia is essentially just a more lategame nectar, I'd recommend not trading them away.

[harsh scroll]

Are there any heals other than defiances exempt from Lasting Consequences

[fervent radish]

stubborn roots, cursed slash, guan yu spin heal, draining cutter

quick recovery

i think that's about it

[harsh scroll]

My goat Stubborn Roots remains intact

[grand abyss]

I haven't used any. Have like. 8 stocked up

[harsh scroll]

Great. You'll need them later on

[mint coral]

I'm on the mind that early game the first few ambrosias are worth trading for blood

[harsh scroll]

Is it normal that not once has Hermes showed up yet (I'm in Elysium)

[old bluff]

Yes

It happens sometimes

[wheat sorrel]

my game just froze 😭

[harsh scroll]

I noticed I had 3 duos remaining on the prophecy and all 3 were Demeter + some Cast boon 😭

[timid mortar]

The sea has everything you need

[dark cypress]

im trying to get all the achievements for hades 1, i have all standard keepsakes but im not getting the achievement for it does anyone have any idea why

[peak carbon]

Yall my "dark reflections" prophecy is bugged and it won't register that I've gotten to the surface using fated persuasion. How to fix?

Literally the last thing I need to get before I complete the prophecy lol