h1-discussion

[fervent radish]

Yeah and it’s also not that much damage

[frail marsh]

Ok

[fervent radish]

High confidence shouldn’t really be something you’re prioritizing for damage. It’s just a nice bonus to have

[alpine pawn]

i thought 30% was pretty nice

what keepsakes do the sweaty ppl use

[frail marsh]

I normally play fist so it's helpful to one shot in Tartarus and Asphodel

[alpine pawn]

rn im just working on maxing them out

i like starting with the owl so i can get a deflect dash and work from there

[fervent radish]

God keepsake/god keepsake/hourglass/acorn

[fervent radish]

Are you using fiery presence?

[frail marsh]

Yeah

[fervent radish]

Chthonic vitality should keep you at HC level but even with fists, you want to be getting some damage early on so you don’t have to worry about using the base damage

Doom or lightning on attack are very popular

And in that case a god keepsake is just much bigger value to control the build

[frail marsh]

Yeah I usually go
Ares's Keepsake/ Athena's (if I already got her in Tartarus then Artemis) keepsake / Pat's keepsake or Hourglass / Acorn

[fervent radish]

Pretty standard ME build

[frail marsh]

Yeah, I also tried Dionysus - Aphrodite and Zeus - Demeter

But for those I run the other side of FF

(don't remember the name rn)

[fervent radish]

Priv status yeah

Mostly only good if you’re guaranteed 2 status effects

[frail marsh]

yeah, when running Zeus - Demeter the Duo between those two triggers it for longer

[idle girder]

huh i've never thought of that way to proc priv status

i only ever used chiron aphro and dio special

[fervent radish]

Cold fusion is just ok, wouldn’t focus on getting it if you had Zeus on attack

[lavish sorrel]

It's 25%

[lavish sorrel]

Optimally you don't to use pstat anyway (too inconsistent to get up since it may require you to shoot yourself in the foot boon-wise for just 40% additive, and enemies should usually already be dead by the time pstat would have activated), so this doesn't matter

[frail marsh]

It helps me with bosses most of the time

But that's just me

May not be optimal

[alpine pawn]

wait yall

is family favourite really better than privileged status

[mint coral]

Yeah

[fervent radish]

Yes

100%

[alpine pawn]

oki

[rustic vale]

You’re suffering the opportunity cost of not taking a god keepsake atp 😔

[alpine pawn]

i thought the 40% was really good but i suppose it requires a bit of setup to get going

[rustic vale]

^

[fervent radish]

Not much better than 25%

[rustic vale]

This was literally explained like 4 messages above your question

The +25% actually applies to your first two hits against an enemy, unlike pstatus, and those first two hits are usually the most impactful

[lavish sorrel]

enemy can't damage you if it's dead (usually)

[frail marsh]

slamdancers:

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-devil-diabolique-evil-gif-9725651736562738158

[lavish sorrel]

yeah, I did say there are exceptions

[frail marsh]

yeah i just thought it was funny

[fervent radish]

Me sitting down to throw the most heinous ridiculously strong builds

By stepping in 3 pots

[signal narwhal]

entering elysium bosses with 60 life, guess trying unupgraded guan yu spear was bad idea xd

but i need do it to unlock other aspects i think

[frail marsh]

yep

[frail marsh]

I managed to pull the Poseidon - Zeus build with Lucifer

It's so fun

And viable for some reason

[lavish sorrel]

supersoakin'

[frail marsh]

YEAH

I went with triple bomb and triple beam

It was just M1 > Dash > Reload > Repeat

[signal narwhal]

wow i made it to final boss

ill die but still it should count for spear thing

[mint coral]

If you mean the hidden aspects guan yu only needs to be revealed, not bough

[signal narwhal]

athena's call doesnt seem to protect from rat poison

[graceful trench]

Is there a cap on Thanatos keepsake boost? I’m using it on an run rn to rank it up and it’s not giving me anything beyond my current 17% even when I definitely am not getting hit

[mint coral]

Are you in styx

It only works on the end tunnels there

[graceful trench]

I am. That makes sense thank you

[gusty blade]

I have max hearts w/ dusa but im not getting bond forged, anyone else having this problem?

[mint coral]

you need 1 more convo

she'll show up at zag's rooms at some point

[gusty blade]

ive done a few runs since i gave dusa the last 4 ambrosia, and im only getting generic dialogue

[gusty blade]

hm, alr

[prisma stratus]

#Team Megaera

[tepid light]

Even if I didn't like Megaera as much as I do, when the alternative is borderline incest, it's not much of a choice

[signal narwhal]

is that missile launcher hammer for rail even better than base mortar?

maybe little faster hit but awful aiming

ok it helps with enemy walking off from blast radius so its good

[mint coral]

Rocket bomb is great yeah

Is also part of the busted combo with cluster bomb

Rocket removes the dmg penalty from cluster so you just fire 5 80 base dmg rockets

[prisma stratus]

Dude, it's Greek mythology. Incest is apart of the lore lol . It's wild the more Greek mythology you read how crazy these people are.

[frail marsh]

Exactly

I mean

Isn't Zagreus his own uncle?

[prisma stratus]

Well not this Zagreus but yeah. I mean certain "liberties " with this game have been taken obviously but yeah everyone is basically highly related. Someone or I could make a flowchart. And it would probably flow all away the round everyone. I mean everyone comes from mostly the same source of people It's been awhile but at the risk of being incorrect everyone's related. But you could argue and it's true I guess that it's "comic incest" which is different . Or maybe you couldn't idk. I'm trying not to "defend it" just to say it's built on a foundation of incest so it's not a criticism to be applied here maybe.

[frail marsh]

I mean it's funny that something that it's always talked about is that Zagreus x Thanatos is incest whilst if you think about it Greek Mythology has its foundations on it
I liked that the game makes reference to that another "canon" (Dionysus and Zagreus being the same and Zeus calling Zagreus his son after you gift him nectar)
Still I was going for Thanatos, Dusa and Megaera at the same time lmao

[frail marsh]

The game makes a great work being an interpretation of Greek Mythology and building its story through it

[prisma stratus]

Yeah I see Thanatos too much as a brother /best friend figure but yeah go for it. Dusa is nice but idk. I did do full hearts for her but only to see where that goes . That's me personally. The fanart online suggests alot of people did what you did so yeah I'm in the minority of Zagreus x Magaera . In fact I'm going to eventually commission alot of fan art for them..since I can't find alot of it or scenarios I want online. Meanwhile. Hades 2 has blown up for just fan art overall . I wish Hades 1 had sold more. But whatever it sold well but then you have dead cells which I really like selling 10 million. Anyways sorry Random tangents. But yeah I agree alot on your last post.

[opaque merlin]

So if I already have merciful end should I mix in artemis as well?

nvm still picked ares by accident

[prisma stratus]

Lol

[opaque merlin]

thing is having merciful end and homing blade vortexes is orgasmic

[frail marsh]

You can

I mean crits are crazy useful sometimes

[opaque merlin]

Yes. I also got her by luck and while I won't get the blade vortextes I still am plenty powerful

Base em4 hades better prepare himself

[tepid light]

Oh boy

1. just because incest is an option doesn't mean i have to pick it

2. as you yourself admitted, the game makes a huge effort to avoid incest implications in general so Thanatos/Zagreus kind of stands out

And I can see that we agree in that we both don't go for Thanatos/Zagreus because it feels too much like a sibling/friend thing

[prisma stratus]

Fair enough but yeah I didn't mean this Zagreus as you were sort of saying. Cuz yeah it could be argued this is a different version of Greek mythology that doesn't include alot of the craziness of most renditions of the mythology. And yeah. #Best Friends can just be friends .it's fine lol

[tepid light]

Agreed

Even putting aside the incest implications, friendship is valuable in of itself

As per that one excellent CS Lewis quote

[signal narwhal]

aspect of lucifer feels so bad

maybe it get better later

[tepid light]

get either zeus strike or (if you want to meme) poseidon strike

[signal narwhal]

i try meme

but poseidon refuses to give me attack or special

[tepid light]

damn

tfw the game won't even let you meme

[signal narwhal]

at least dash is outperforming whatever rail can do at the moment

[old bluff]

That’s usually how it goes anyway ngl

Also, Lucifer is kinda bad at lower levels

[signal narwhal]

only 1 boon and its some fishing, meh

[tepid light]

would you say that you're getting

railed

you are all stunned by my humor i see

[signal narwhal]

Sisyphus bro is so chill and based

why i reply to you idk

prob had in reply before sorry for ping

[tepid light]

lmao no worries

[stiff obsidian]

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[tepid light]

Thanks I hate it

[fervent radish]

Or Zeus

[stiff obsidian]

np

[signal narwhal]

heh got seastorm after all revives out and 17hp left

now its winning run 100%

[signal narwhal]

oh its actually good with right hammer and % damage on special
probably should spend more blood on it

[fervent radish]

Yeah

Arty special best, then aphro

[signal narwhal]

crit one? hmm

[bronze drift]

I’d like one chimera jerky please

[signal narwhal]

so styx tunnels not give damage for pierced butterfly every area
but consume shop consumables every area

[bronze drift]

Nope

Just every tunnel

Not every chamber in it

[spice kernel]

Ok when can I give Dusa ambrosia

I currently have a quest thing from her to renovate the lounge and I’ve been doing it but when is it renovated enough

[bronze drift]

It might be a spoiler

[prisma stratus]

I can't remember so I don't think it's probably a spoiler.

[mint coral]

Iirc is 30 items and needs to have cleaned cerberus mess and one of the renovations be a rug

Check her wiki page

[bronze drift]

It’s about the feast

[azure spruce]

my friend started playing hades few days ago and I told him if you see a pouch with 300 gold, dont be shy and just take it's free. Just got off from live call, with him getting slapped by Charon

[bronze drift]

Real

Tell him if he sees a fishing spot he needs to press quickly before the glowy thing comes out of it

[azure spruce]

nah too late, he already unclocked it

[bronze drift]

Damn

[azure spruce]

well im about to get free 300 dollars as well

in tartatus

[bronze drift]

In Tartarus

That’s early

[azure spruce]

i have shield

dont worry

[bronze drift]

What aspect

[azure spruce]

fresh file also btw 😂

[azure spruce]

zoos mythic

[bronze drift]

So no maxed out mirror of night?

RIP

[azure spruce]

no

[azure spruce]

im pro

[bronze drift]

Zeus’s?

[azure spruce]

zeus

no worry

[bronze drift]

Cool

[azure spruce]

i will block

i lost 2 dd

but its fine

[timid nacelle]

if i get the gift of song achievint it means im done with learning the lyre?

i got it but i defnitvely played it less than 200 times as people were saying

[rustic vale]

go talk to Orpheus

it's most definitely 210 times but I dunno the timing on the achievement

[fervent radish]

@quick bone 10 clears gets you the end of the main story, and there's an epilogue that's more story based

the difficulty system basically has infinite content

[quick bone]

right icic and each like clear gets harder or is different or something?

[fervent radish]

you can choose what difficulty modifiers to add

try to interact with the door you start runs from

you'll see

[quick bone]

icic ok tysm

[fervent radish]

basically from here, people either speedrun, push difficulty, or both

[tribal anvil]

I got a man interested just at the first sight of Asphodel. He enjoys the art style

[bronze drift]

So real

[frail marsh]

That's what I got into the game

[tribal anvil]

I had to be slowly coaxed and talked into it by a very good friend, but I'm glad she got me to play. It's very fun and I can never really be bothered by dying.

[fierce junco]

🤝

[frail marsh]

I finished the game

😔

What'd I do now?

[lavish sorrel]

Push heat or learn to go fast perhaps!

[lavish sorrel]

Can't be first-run, requirement for the bag to appear is at least one win

[frail marsh]

Im on it

:D

Rn going for 20 heat

[vernal gulch]

to unlock hermes' heart, i need to talk to him while i have his keepsake at 3 stars equipped, right?

[slate python]

hi

having trouble getting the hidden aspect of the shield. I think I meet the requirements

I would appreciate it if someone knowledgeable about the game could help

[frail marsh]

#h1-story-discussion message

Look there

Check if you spend the Titan Blood required and also (most of the time) is RNG related so try to get into Chaos gate often

Then they should tell you the awakening phrase

[slate python]

like guan yu aspect on, shield upgrades max and heat 7

Everyone except Patroclus and Hermes at maximum heart

I talk to Chaos 3-4 times in 1 escape with the egg but it didn't work

[frail marsh]

You have to be running the shield

[slate python]

Yeah, I'm doing my heat 7 escape with the shield right now.

[frail marsh]

And you had spent at least 5 Titan blood on the shield's aspects?

[slate python]

yes

1 aspect max
2 aspect max
3 aspect max
secret

[frail marsh]

So then it must be RNG related ig

[slate python]

How do you mean

[frail marsh]

I mean sometimes you won't get the dialogue even if you have the requirements for the dialogue to appear

[slate python]

I was doing it because I wanted to finish the game 100%...

I care about achievements

[rustic vale]

Dialogue in Hades is rng dependent

It chooses which dialogues you get from the pool of everything available

[frail marsh]

It is going to appear eventually

So keep trying and hopefully you get it :D

[frail marsh]

Oh hi Shackle

[slate python]

The problem is that I don't like the shield gameplay

the fist, the sword and the gun are beautiful

[frail marsh]

If you like the fist and the sword is kinda weird that you don't like the shield's gameplay

[slate python]

I like to play offensively, not defensively. The shield's kicks are too slow.

even with the speed god's 30% bonus attack speed I find it slow

[frail marsh]

Normally the approach is
Dash-Strike > Charge (Medium) > Special > Strike/Dash-Strike

Almost the same as the fist with kinetic launcher

[frail marsh]

And with the Chaos's shield is fire

[frail marsh]

With the Zeus's shield is different bcuz there is some special micro-management involved but you can play offensively with the shield

[slate python]

I have 103 hours of playtime and I have watched dozens of hours of build and guide videos

[frail marsh]

Oh

[slate python]

the only thing I can't do is the shield's secret feature

[frail marsh]

It deleted my message lmao

[frail marsh]

Try and practice with skelly or choose a different build

The shield is versatile and you may discover your perfect way of playing around it

(that happened to me with the bow btw)

[slate python]

I have many friends who don't like the bow, but I like the bow

The only weapon I don't like is the shield.

I watched different builds but unfortunately i can't like playing defensive. hidden aspect is really nice but i can't unlock it either...

[rustic vale]

Guide videos is very concerning

because there aren’t like any good Hades guide or build videos

[rustic vale]

Honestly if you get charged shot you can play shield like it’s bow

charged shot being the shields best hammer

[slate python]

This is the only person in my country who makes serious videos for this game.

[rustic vale]

I am still very doubtful

The quality of Hades information anywhere aside from here is like dubious at best

[slate python]

it's your decision. I can't say anything.

[rustic vale]

I mean I can’t say anything without having seen the videos themselves but I’ve yet to see a good Hades build video out in the wild

[frail marsh]

I follow one page and one google document

That tells you enough tbh

[bronze drift]

What’s up my good shades?

[old bluff]

I saw one good top 5 boon list

[frail marsh]

The page being the one that it's talked about in #h1-builds-and-combat

[slate python]

You may be right about the fine details, but learning the basics of a build is enough to finish the game at an average level.

so I'm not too worried.

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

Like as long as you’re god keepsake starting you’ve got it together for builds

[slate python]

What I can't understand is being able to finish the game with 32 heat

it's hard to believe that this is possible

[rustic vale]

Which options you pick are going to make it either way easier or way harder

[slate python]

I stopped at 12 (I will continue when I open the aspect of the shield)

[frail marsh]

As Zagreus once said "Practice Practice"

[rustic vale]

64 is possible so 32 is possoble

[slate python]

For someone like me, no amount of practice makes it possible to deal with 32 heat

[rustic vale]

It’ll likely be a mix of your heat pact, possibly your mirror, your mechanical skills and the builds you choose to pursue that are holding you back

[frail marsh]

Merciful end 🔛🔝

Hitting 1300 with one doom

Is just too good

[rustic vale]

I need to go get breakfast so I’ll be back, but seeing what conditions you are working with for your heat pact would be a nice start

[lavish sorrel]

Speedcord game info is better

[rustic vale]

I don’t differentiate between the two in my head 😔

It’s discord either way

[glossy sinew]

I need some help. I’m so bad at this game

85 attempts and I only killed Hades 3 times at zero heat.

[old bluff]

A lot of the most active members of speedcord are also in here, so it’s pretty similar

[frail marsh]

Dang

Sorry

[glossy sinew]

I wonder if I should just quit playing

[rustic vale]

You’re doing fine

that’s like within reasonable expectations

[glossy sinew]

By now I can usually get past Styx. I just keep dying to the guy.

[lavish sorrel]

Don't get stressed about it, you're doing just fine. If you need help making builds or certain enemies, we can help!

[glossy sinew]

I think I wasted my titans blood just blindly spending it.

[frail marsh]

It happened to me too, learn the attack pattern and when to dodge and you'll be fine :D

Hades is not that complicated once you get to understand those points

[lavish sorrel]

Well, what did you "waste" it on?

[glossy sinew]

I upgraded the bow and fists to max

Zag aspect

[frail marsh]

Oh you're good

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah zagbow's fine

[lavish sorrel]

A-tier aspect tbh

[frail marsh]

And Zagfist's are also good

[glossy sinew]

Ok

[lavish sorrel]

No

[glossy sinew]

I only manage to kill hades with sword, spear and fists so far

[frail marsh]

Ye

[old bluff]

It’s 5 blood it’s fine

[glossy sinew]

Ok some help with bow please.

[old bluff]

Dashstrike

[frail marsh]

(with no spirit to defend this statement)

[glossy sinew]

It’s slow when I try to power shot and I don’t dodge in time

[old bluff]

Always dashstrike

[frail marsh]

I hear the roast coming

[lavish sorrel]

All four fists are kinda mediocre. If you don't believe me, look at the speed-records for it and the heat-record for it.

[frail marsh]

It may not be the best but you can play around that D:

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah play what you want tbh, you'll usually end up putting more time into what's fun to you

[glossy sinew]

What hammer and build do I choose for bow?

[lavish sorrel]

Twin shot is best, triple is great, flurry is fine, explosive is fine

[frail marsh]

I mean yeah they are not the best weapon but they are fun :(

[old bluff]

Triple is right behind Twin

[glossy sinew]

Do I still try for power shot or just shoot and run?

[frail marsh]

Explosive is hell

[old bluff]

Fist Gang 😌

[frail marsh]

Yeah

[lavish sorrel]

There's some animation-cancel tech to make it significantly stronger

[frail marsh]

I did not know that

[glossy sinew]

And should I always pick Artemis for crits?

[old bluff]

Arty is really good

[frail marsh]

I know the animation cancel of Arthur didn't think you could pull it off with explosive

[rustic vale]

Dash strike

[old bluff]

But big % attacks from Demeter, Aphro or Athena are good as well

[lavish sorrel]

Wait arthur has a useful animation-cancel? lmao

[rustic vale]

Bigger +% from goddesses like Aphrodite means your average shot is going to kill more enemies and your crits are going to be larger.

[glossy sinew]

Ok I’ll practice that with Skelly. I found bow the hardest to dash strike and didn’t bother after the first few hours.

[rustic vale]

It changes bow night and day

[frail marsh]

It does but it's not useful for speed running

[glossy sinew]

Is it press the dash button, then hold attack to charge?

[frail marsh]

Or even for high heat

[lavish sorrel]

Or at all

[frail marsh]

It's funny to see the crit number :D

[rustic vale]

Yes

[lavish sorrel]

And remember to release when you see the white flash!

[glossy sinew]

Oh I also need help with Poseidon builds. I haven’t had a good one with him so far.

[rustic vale]

There aren’t really

hmm

[old bluff]

Tdash

[rustic vale]

most builds don’t focus on one single god

[lavish sorrel]

Poseidon dash -> all poseidon tier 2s in the world

[old bluff]

There’s the build

[glossy sinew]

Poseidon dash better than deflect dash?

[rustic vale]

Tidal dash is a lot of damage

Divine dash is defence

You’re taking them for different reasons

[lavish sorrel]

They're about equal, one outpowering the other depending on situation / what general strategy you're running

[fierce junco]

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i did this ages ago, but it is very good

[glossy sinew]

I’m very bad at the shield, it’s probably my worst weapon

[frail marsh]

IS THAT EXPLOSIVE?

[fierce junco]

yes

[frail marsh]

how

[old bluff]

Pseudo tech 😌

[glossy sinew]

How do I use it? The only successful times are when I have hangover or doom on the special, then throw and dash around like crazy to avoid damage.

[rustic vale]

Oh you know what if we’re posting clips

[old bluff]

Sadly, the best way to use shield is to get Cshot hammer

[rustic vale]

[old bluff]

pls

[fierce junco]

"but i can tell you how it works. firstly dash and hold the attack button for a short dashstrike, after the dashstrike is released, quickly press the attack button again (preparing for a standing attack), and press the special button almost at the same time ( Cancel the back swing time of dashstrike, restart charging), then release the standing attack after a short charge. Loop Operation"

not my words

[frail marsh]

tf

[glossy sinew]

Which is that?

[old bluff]

Charged Shot

[frail marsh]

I know nothing about this game anymore

[rustic vale]

Ew pseudotech

[fierce junco]

mine was on the default control scheme, ive practiced pseudotech for a day just so i could use default controls 😏

[rustic vale]

🤮

[old bluff]

The other way to use it is to get Zeus shield aspect

[fierce junco]

wtf is this SLANDER

scooting!!!

[rustic vale]

I know it’s like optimal but it removes what I like about bow

[frail marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-spit-smiling-friends-shut-up-man-gif-24623310

[old bluff]

It makes Chiron viable

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

[frail marsh]

I feel bombarded by this tactics

[rustic vale]

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[old bluff]

My favorite :)

[glossy sinew]

Wow

[rustic vale]

That’s what I mean by dash striking being night & day for bow

[glossy sinew]

When boons increase attack damage, do they affect dash strike too?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Dash striking would be pretty pathetic otherwise

The only boon that won’t affect your dash strike that affects strikes is Hermes swift strike

[glossy sinew]

Some boons specifically mention dash strike so I thought it had to be that way all the time

[prisma stratus]

#ThinkAgainScrub ||jk||

[opaque merlin]

Ok I have finally forged all bonds and done a 32- heat run

Kinda wish legendary fish and darkness gain sligthly scaled off heat though. I am missing those

[fervent radish]

yes it can though

use hestia rail or any shield

[stiff obsidian]

[fervent radish]

or eris

[signal narwhal]

wow, ||rama|| + zeus so good

[fervent radish]

You don’t have to spoiler anything outside of #h1-for-new-players

[signal narwhal]

Some decor prices are starting to go ridiculous , like 2000 gems gonna take forever

[dense shale]

hi

[signal narwhal]

Eye of lamia doesnt seem to work in styx corridors

had it double from shop and not healed me befor it expired

[raw herald]

i think it does work

u just got unlucky

[oblique totem]

Hey guys any tips ? I cleared up to dif 25

Whenever i do 32 i lose

[fervent radish]

What aspect/build/pact are you using

It could probably be better

[tepid light]

are you jumping straight from 25 to 32?

[prisma stratus]

I lost all motivation to do 32 heat when I found out what the 3rd statue was. And no it's not a statue of Magaera

[tribal anvil]

I just learned I could cut through projectile magic attacks instead of dodging

On the other hand, this should make certain things much easier

[indigo badge]

i mean, i jumped straight from 16 to 32

and it didn't take me too many attempts to actually win it 🤷‍♂️

[oblique totem]

Yup

[main matrix]

guys how does the duo boon cold embrace even work?

you get bonus cast damage when the ray hits you?

[rustic vale]

The casts all have a damage bonus, but they target you instead of enemies

It’s practically a downgrade

[main matrix]

ohhh

so i have to be behind the enemy

[rustic vale]

yeah

[main matrix]

that sucks

[rustic vale]

Unfortunately

[main matrix]

i was confused to how it worked when it showed up in a run

[rustic vale]

Like meme beams is already… a meme. cold embrace just takes it to the next level 🫠

[limpid cave]

Are any fists aside from demeter worth using? Gligamesh feel horrible, while the other 2 seem boring

Also, thoughts on the following pact for 32h:
HL1
LC4
JS1
EM3
CP1
BP2
MM
UC
FO2
TD2

I'm trying to avoid td3 since it seems a bit too stressful

[signal narwhal]

should i save gold for styx shop (blood, diamond)

dont really need normal charon shop items on low heat still to win

[indigo badge]

the pact that removes your mirror upgrades

i forgor the name

make it level 1

even level 2 is manageable

then you can reduce heat off of other stuff

[signal narwhal]

now i wonder if i should learn pacts initials, since those codes sounded gibberish for a while xd

[tepid light]

good for you, but surely you can understand why that might be a bit too much of a difficulty spike for other people, right?

[indigo badge]

yeah i do, just wanted to say it is possible

it's funny because i did it with chairon which is considered a weak aspect 😂

i had td on 0 so i just took it super slow

[tepid light]

ofc yeah

[tepid light]

hey, if you had fun, who cares

[limpid cave]

I'd rather not, fated persuasion and dark foresight are way too good to pass up

I'm not the biggest fan of LC4

I'll try TD3 and EM4 for a change, maybe td3 won't be that bad

let me just check out my run timers on the last few runs

Range is mostly 18-22

might be doable

tho that's with em3

[indigo badge]

don't forget to pause for thinking about decisions

[limpid cave]

maybe I could even try Approval process instead of td3 if the timing is too tight

[indigo badge]

ap1 is somewhat manageable

and what weapon are you using? dc is free with fast hitting weapons

[limpid cave]

I'm just cycling in general, currently trying guan yu

I guess with eris it could be free

[slate python]

After 10 escape attempts, the shield was finally unlocked

[limpid cave]

Yeah td3 is too much for me, I'll try HL2, JS2 and EM4

[fervent radish]

They all kinda shine with merciful end or Zeus attack into rod

But yeah, at base gilga sucks

[proper sinew]

i think all i need to 100% hades is maxxing out like 10 more keepsakes and maxing out hearts with poseidon, demeter and artemis

can someone motivate me

[alpine pawn]

wtf i have to 3 star all the keepsakes??

[proper sinew]

i dont think there are rules for 100%ing the game but it is in the achievements

so i asume you do

[alpine pawn]

man

there’s a bunch of goofy looking ones

[rustic vale]

Yeah unfortunately they aren’t all winners

[rustic vale]

If you want a true 100% you will need an extra 325k darkness

🗿

[proper sinew]

oh riht

right

eh i love hades ill do it

[rustic vale]

It’s a lot of darkness

crazy numbers

I’m only like 50% of the way there on my 460 hr save file

although I haven’t really been specifically darkness farming much, that’s too draining

[prisma stratus]

Okay.. you say that now. We'll see. I don't think you will once you start to realize

[proper sinew]

ill be working on it for like years

dont expect me to farm it directly for looong hours at a time

[prisma stratus]

You're going to have a kid in a year from now. You'll be too busy to keep grinding away at it.

And you're moving to a foreign country. So yeah it'll be impossible for you.

[frail marsh]

tf you'll do with that much darkness :0

[fierce junco]

[rustic vale]

Cosmetics

[signal narwhal]

if i bough chaos gate from shop twice, one gonna get wasted?

[bronze drift]

I think it will just be one after the other

But I’m not sure

But I think you can risk 50 coins

For the sake of science!

[rustic vale]

One after the other

[signal narwhal]

it spawned 2 in separate rooms

[bronze drift]

K

So one after another?

[signal narwhal]

yes

[bronze drift]

That can be very good actually

[signal narwhal]

im still not used to play shield

it feels like worse bow

[bronze drift]

I Like shield

What aspect are you using?

[signal narwhal]

so far zeus on special, 3 shield thrown thing

chaos one?

[bronze drift]

Oh

Eyed one

[signal narwhal]

trying to unlock last

[bronze drift]

I don’t love it

I prefer the other aspects

Of Zeus and Beowulf

[rustic vale]

Oh the fourth best shield

🗿

[bronze drift]

Real

Wait so what does the aspect of Zagreus do?

I don’t remember

and I doubt it’s better

[rustic vale]

I know it’s better

[bronze drift]

K then

[rustic vale]

It’s +15 base damage to strike and dash strike

It’s like

[bronze drift]

Oh that’s cool

[rustic vale]

mildly better than chaos

[bronze drift]

Yes

[rustic vale]

but it is better

[bronze drift]

Who would thought aspect of Zeus with Zeus’s special would go well?

I tried it a while ago

It’s nice

[crude bolt]

I thought aspect of zeus with athena is the best

[bronze drift]

It’s also good

[rustic vale]

like

everyone?

[bronze drift]

But if you get some lightning boons like double lightning chance, bigger radius and the legendary

👌

[rustic vale]

It’s like fine? but not the best persay

Zeus, aphrodite and athena are all pretty good

[bronze drift]

For some reason I figured that a weapon of a certain god might be good with his boons pretty late

[bronze drift]

Yeah…

It’s not really good if it’s not Zeus

And Athena is ok

But I don’t know about Aphrodite

[rustic vale]

🗿

Aphrodite is like athena special but significantly higher damage

[bronze drift]

But would not deflect

Which is not a major part

But still

[rustic vale]

oh no it’s still going to destroy projectiles

[bronze drift]

I like it

[rustic vale]

also you get weaken 🗿

[bronze drift]

Know that, but I like my enemies to make themselves bleed 😈

[bronze drift]

Yep that’s nice

[fervent radish]

Aphrodite is really strong

And way more consistent than Zeus

[bronze drift]

I know

[bronze drift]

But with the right boons though

[fervent radish]

Deflect isn’t really necessary and the damage loss from not taking Aphrodite is too much

[rustic vale]

Aphrodite has higher usage when you’re running AP

[fervent radish]

Yeah and those same boons on an aphro build will be stronger than on a Zeus build

[rustic vale]

so your boon selection is more limited

[bronze drift]

I feel like I’m getting combo attacked, to make things clear I also like Aphrodite boons

I am ok in the mind

[bronze drift]

I’m not sure about that

[fervent radish]

Ah yeah dont feel like we’re bashing too hard on this

[fervent radish]

I am

[bronze drift]

Ok then

[fervent radish]

Zeus special+jolted is about the same damage as aphro special

And not having Zeus on special means that Zeus attack+jolted is still open on aphro special

[bronze drift]

And yet there are more boons to add

[fervent radish]

Like?

[bronze drift]

The double lightning, Zeus’s legendary and bigger lightning

I actually now not sure it does lighting

Nvm

[fervent radish]

Double strike doesn’t work on the special because lightning strikes have an internal cooldown

The legendary can cause the block to not work, so it’s not great to have usually

High voltage is fine…mostly good in tart when enemy count is high

[bronze drift]

Why? Didn’t notice that

[fervent radish]

No one knows why, it’s just a bug

[bronze drift]

How

And they never fixed it?

Ig not

Ok then

[fervent radish]

There’s a surprising number of bugs in the game lol

[bronze drift]

That’s funny

Anyways I shall go to sleep now

Farewell

It’s Hypnos time babyyyy

[fervent radish]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit

[signal narwhal]

😮

when i charge shield it seems to deflect bullets from front

[old bluff]

Blocking 😌

[fervent radish]

block

[lavish sorrel]

🧊 block

[frail marsh]

I just

rerolled 3 times

the same 3 boons

[rustic vale]

🗿 I’ve seen it happen before

The odds are stupid low but it’s possible

[frail marsh]

Made me so mad that I decided to reset lmao

[frail marsh]

I mean at the third roll maybe

I've had the same 3 boons pop up at the second roll in different places

What are the odds tho

[rustic vale]

Depends on which god, how many boons you already had, if you had any duo/legendary boons open from them (and any alterations to the duo/legendary odds), whether or not that god had a status curse, and whether or not you had it, or if it was offered to you

how many cores you had open

In short

it depends

[fervent radish]

pretty rare

getting the same replace 2-3 screens in a row seems to be common on AP2

[frail marsh]

run so cooked that the game decided to give me the 2nd hammer in Styx

[fervent radish]

F

[gusty blade]

how long does it take to get the divided by death reveal dialogue from patroclus?

[hushed widget]

fr taking 400% shield damage js to deal with butterfly mf is pissing me off 😭

[raw apex]

are both achilles and patroclus at max hearts?

[frail marsh]

I was thinking

Would it be that bad to buff some of the least used keepsakes (Distant Memory)?

[fervent radish]

Why would it be bad

[frail marsh]

I mean idk

It could be like a tf2 situation

(Nobody wants to mess with the balance of the game bcuz people grew accustomed)

[old bluff]

Honestly, I don't really think it would matter

God keepsakes +Acorn/Hourglass would still kinda outclass almost everything

[frail marsh]

Yeah but It wouldn't be such a pain to level up the other ones (Or at least the worst ones)

Distant memory with a visual indicator and a little bit more damage/less range needed would play fine

[frail marsh]

Almost like a Priv Status but range-based

[hushed widget]

who gives shielded enemy damage, aprodite right?

[fervent radish]

damage reduction yeah

[hushed widget]

nonono, i mean i deal increased damage to shields for like, yellow HP bars

[tepid light]

artemis increases your crit damage against armor

[gusty blade]

max nectars for both of them

[hushed widget]

alighty thank yee

[fervent radish]

the breaching hammers are much more effective though

[hushed widget]

efficiency isnt needed when RNG isnt on your side

[tepid light]

TRUE

[hushed widget]

words of wisdom fella 😭

[tepid light]

me going artemis strike arthur cause the random 1000+ damage crits are worth anything else

[hushed widget]

me going posidon bc whenever i grab crits i hit a singular one every 4 encounters regaurdless of how high the chance is

[tepid light]

what's the pos artemis duo again

i actually forgot

[hushed widget]

and to not forget i deal less than 50 damage a swing if i dont have high damage perks from posidon or aphrodite

[hushed widget]

i dunno

[tepid light]

oh right mirage shot

how did i forget that lmao

[hushed widget]

idk anything about duos yet im hardstuck early game lmfao

[tepid light]

dw just keep going

[hushed widget]

if you peep new players real fast you see a little of me ranting and explaining what i think i should do for the duo fight after hydra

[tepid light]

your best

[hushed widget]

wdym?

[tepid light]

you should do

your best

[hushed widget]

ohh, i try, but when i try i get killed before the boss compaired to when i say "this run is chalked lemme js go to collection rooms and get a bit extra"

[tepid light]

just gotta keep trying

you'll be cruising through the heroes fight before you know it

[hushed widget]

thats the hope, but i still needa farm keys bc im at the 30 key upgrade and i really want it bc i dont have anything else to spend keys on

[rustic vale]

For a… single player game?

[rustic vale]

Mirage shot

[tepid light]

Scroll up, shackle

Lmao

[rustic vale]

🗿

[tepid light]

Forever Shackled by your own faulty discord chatlog

[late rivet]

Hey chat I just found out you can romance Thanatos so thats very very very (very) fun

[fierce junco]

😼

[tepid light]

Restrains urge to go on a rant again

[raw apex]

[gay joke goes here]

[late rivet]

Please do I can't find enough people who like this game

[tepid light]

Well you're certainly in the right place if you're looking for people who like this game lmao

[late rivet]

I absolutely refuse to romance any other characters purely for this reason

[raw apex]

The game allows polyamory

[tepid light]

But I was mainly just referring to the fact that me (and a few other people) find the Thanatos romance a bit too close to incest

[late rivet]

Yeah but like that takes too much effort

[late rivet]

I think it's not that bad purely because they are not related (Than's father being Erebus) and they grew farther apart when Zag found out about his mother

[tepid light]

Eh but like they only just found out they weren't blood related after going their whole lives thinking they were brothers

A sudden discovery doesn't just make all of those emotional factors go away

Not trying to dissuade you from pursuing the romance if you want ofc, I'm just explaining why it's a bit too weird for me

[late rivet]

Thats fair but its also the only homosexual romance in the game (you can't romance Hypnos sadly) so thats part of why I'm pursuing it

[tepid light]

That is certainly a common impetus yes aha

Certainly would be nicer if the only gay romance option wasn't so tinged with incest implications

[late rivet]

I don't think the game has any actual implications

[tepid light]

The game generally bends over backwards to either avoid mentioning incestuous relationships, or alters relationships between gods to remove incest entirely

But some still are present

[tribal anvil]

Are there any boons from Chaos that aren't just straight up detrimental

[indigo badge]

what

there's a curse and after the curse you get a bonus

[fervent radish]

Any + damage and + casts is really nice

[tribal anvil]

I've only been to see him once, and all of the things he had to offer were suck. I was relieved when I died

[indigo badge]

you just got unlucky with bad curses

[tribal anvil]

Every enemy dropping bombs was the least of all evils

So sometimes he gives goodies? All right, I'll drop down to say hello next time I see a portal

[hollow rain]

but always with a curse

curse for 3-5 encounters then you get the goody

[tribal anvil]

I think it's neat they included him in the game, since in the mythology he spoots out Erebus and Nyx and just kinda...we don't hear from him again.

AWW DAMMIT

[indigo badge]

that's very manageable on low heat though, just dash away from enemies as soon as you kill them

[tribal anvil]

Mm, that's why I went with it

Still a curse, but the least sucky of the ones there

[rustic vale]

If you’re so starved for gay romance that like… what may as well be incest is on the table

Achilles and Patroclus are in game

which is like… so much more tasteful

[late rivet]

Literally theyre not related. Like at all. Not even a little bit

[rustic vale]

They were brought up as brothers like

[late rivet]

Ah yes I love romancing Achilles and Patroclus /j

[fervent radish]

But they thought they were until right before they banged

[bronze drift]

What is this heated discussion about?

[late rivet]

Theyre accusing me of supporting incest because I'm pursuing Thanatos in-game (they are not related)

[rustic vale]

it’s just weird to go from brothers to be like “oh we aren’t blood related? Lets bang” like your entire life your relationship has been as brothers

[bronze drift]

I admit it is a lil weird

From the other hand it’s Greek mythology

[fervent radish]

What

[bronze drift]

Everyone is banging each other

[fervent radish]

Do you have a sibling

[rustic vale]

The story of the game is modified from greek mythos to have as little incest as possible

When you’ve already covered your bases like that

whatever

[fervent radish]

It doesn’t matter whether they are actually related by blood(everyone is related). They were brought up their whole lives thinking they were related…and then immediately after learning that they’re not, want to bang asap

Like it’s actually weird

[rustic vale]

As the proud owner of two younger brothers, if I learned they weren’t my blood related brothers right now my relationship with them would stay exactly the same

[indigo badge]

it is, indeed, weird

but they are greek

they tend to be weird in those terms

[rustic vale]

. When you’ve already done this with the rest of the story?

[indigo badge]

wait which gods have canonically done incest that is revoked

[late rivet]

Literally why would I tell you this

[rustic vale]

Like all of them

🗿

[indigo badge]

yeah they do be like that

[late rivet]

Moral of the story is greek stuff can be like that sometimes and we just gotta ignore the undertones bc who else am i gonna romance

[fervent radish]

i mean fair enough, it's more to make a point

i don't think you would be ok dating your sibling if you learned you weren't related

[fervent radish]

the other option 😔

[rustic vale]

there do be another option

[late rivet]

There are technically three (Than, Meg, Dusa) But Dusa is a simp and Meg involves too much beating to death for my liking

[fervent radish]

yeah and the remaining option is basically incest so...you do you

[rustic vale]

You’re literally already in the underworld I think you’ll be fine

[idle girder]

hi

is this a bad time

[hollow rain]

It’s a hot time

Never a bad time

[tepid light]

Dude I don't think anyone was accusing you of anything

We are just laying out the reasons why we think Thanatos/Zagreus is too close to incest for our liking

[fervent radish]

it's chill, i'm not judging at all(i romanced everyone possible when i played through the story)

[late rivet]

Again that is literally half of Greek Mythology and the game bends over backwards to avoid mentioning it so I think you can calm down with the "you do you" stuff bc like ofc I don't like Incest but it isnt mentioned in the game and the game tries so hard to avoid it

[idle girder]

Several people are typing... seems kewl

[rustic vale]

Nope

[fervent radish]

i'm calm dw, and i'm sorry if that came across as passive aggressive

[tepid light]

And like I'm just gonna say it again

Just because two people aren't technically blood related doesn't mean there isn't a sibling connection

If two kids are adopted under one couple, them not being siblings by blood doesn't mean they're not siblings

[bronze drift]

Still heated I see?

[fervent radish]

it's just that you learn than and zag are not brothers during the events of the game, and then you romance. I think it's a little odd to say it's not mentioned in the game

[bronze drift]

I agree

It’s a lil weird

[tepid light]

Yeah as I was saying it's a strange weird spot in a game that otherwise does its utmost to avoid any incest implications

[fervent radish]

you can also just not romance anyone without consequence to the rest of the game

[late rivet]

It literally tries so hard to avoid incest implications and yet yall tug and tug at it

[fervent radish]

i'm not tugging at anything. this is in the game.

[bronze drift]

Indeed it is

[idle girder]

i think it's cuz it's the nature of the greek mythology? if anything i find no issue with thanzag
is only game
why you kev to be maed

[late rivet]

90 percent sure the game doesn't mention Incest

[tepid light]

Are we being unreasonable about it?

You yourself acknowledged the incest implications earlier

[bronze drift]

That’s what I say

[late rivet]

I acknowledged the fact that the game tried so hard to AVOID incest implications

[bronze drift]

It’s not rare in Greek mythology for such things to happen

[fervent radish]

the nature of greek mythology is that everyone is technically blood related and it's mostly ignored. NOT that two people who fully believe they are siblings will be ok banging days/weeks after learning they are not

[tepid light]

That doesn't mean they succeeded across the board

What else would you call it when two people who have for all intents and purposes been siblings across their entire life suddenly become intimate, other than incest

[fervent radish]

does it need to mention the word incest? It shows us pretty clearly the evolution of zag and than's relationship

[tepid light]

^^^^^^^

They don't need to literally say the word 'incest' for it to be a factor

That's what the word 'implication' means

[late rivet]

They don't even act like siblings when they interact in-game

[idle girder]

yeah i never gave it much thought and just saw "bros to lovin"

[bronze drift]

They think they are

[tepid light]

Doesn't matter, they still have been siblings across their lives

[fervent radish]

does it matter? why is there a certain way siblings need to act to validate the connection?

[tepid light]

^^^

[bronze drift]

Indeed

[late rivet]

That's literally the whole point they don't act like siblings and they aren't related

[bronze drift]

Also Nyx has so much kids I bet they don’t pay attention to each other as much

[tepid light]

How many times do we have to say that a blood relation doesn't need to exist in order for two people to be siblings in every way that matters

[late rivet]

WHAT WAYS? They don't act like siblings!

[fervent radish]

you don't even know how they've interacted their whole lives. This is a workplace as well, so they're not necessarily going to be showing that type of affection openly

[bronze drift]

Yeah as long as the idea was in their minds most of their life

[tepid light]

Are you trying to argue that there's a 'standard way' that siblings have to interact or something

[bronze drift]

It is weird

[tribal anvil]

Hypnos probably straight up forgot Meg was his sister when he got flustered talking about how pretty she was

[tepid light]

^^^

[tepid light]

^^^

[late rivet]

Uh they act a lot different than friends do

[hollow rain]

this WAS a bad time actually :p

[tepid light]

??????

[fervent radish]

them not 'acting like siblings' doesn't make them not basically siblings

[late rivet]

In what ways are they siblings pray tell

[tepid light]

Because they have lived their entire lives believing that they are the children of the same person?

[fervent radish]

they've believed they are their whole life and have built their relationship within that framework

[idle girder]

[tribal anvil]

Chary, Nyx raised Zagreus and he believed she was his mother until he was an adult. It's very conceivable that he grew up thinking of Thanatos like a brother

[late rivet]

And yet their in-game relationship shows no signs of this

[tribal anvil]

Well that kinda depends on you the player doesn't it?

[bronze drift]

Imagine you know a guy or a girl your all life and in all your life you both think your brothers, the. Suddenly you find out you aren’t brothers or at least not that blood related and bang each other after two weeks

[fervent radish]

i know there's a lot of messages to read, but i already mentioned this

[late rivet]

NO?? You don't choose the dialogue

[tribal anvil]

I meant progressing their relationship via nectar

[tepid light]

Tell me, do we see the entirety of their life and relationship within the game?

[fervent radish]

no context in which this isn't weird asf and yet people bend over backwards to defend it

[bronze drift]

And Ambrosia

Gotta love Ambrosia

[tepid light]

^^^

[late rivet]

Even if you don't do that, they still interact and act like old friends

[fervent radish]

like it's genuinely fine by most people if you chose that in game. but i think it's atleast intellectually honest to admit the weird implications of it.

[tribal anvil]

[tepid light]

^^^^

Exactly what I was going to say

[bronze drift]

Indeed

But I still did it

[tribal anvil]

Just because it was a thing in greece doesn't make it not weird here and now

[tepid light]

I said earlier, no one's trying to dissuade you from choosing the romance or appreciating the pairing

[tribal anvil]

If that's your speed...well it is just a game.

But for us it's a little funky

[bronze drift]

Cause in Greek mythology it’s fine, although it is weird to put that in a game

[late rivet]

This brings me back to my point of the game TRIES SO HARD to ignore it and you guys are pulling from something that isnt there

[fervent radish]

the game couldve just not put it in the game

[tepid light]

Charybdis you keep circling back to points that we've already addressed multiple times

[bronze drift]

It is there that “something”

That’s the point

[late rivet]

Addressed WITHOUT AN ANSWER

[tepid light]

Then you might want to reread the chat log

[bronze drift]

Banana btw

[tepid light]

There have been so many answers given to you

[fervent radish]

🗿

[late rivet]

Not good ones like ofc they grew up together but they don't act like it and the game never actually portrays it so AGAIN you guys are pulling at nothing

[bronze drift]

I dunno that disturbs me a bit

Cause if I found out my sister and me are not blood related I wouldn’t just go: “it’s banging timeee”

[tribal anvil]

Are...are we not pulling from what was heavily implied if not outright stated? No it wasn't shown, the game couldn't afford that backstory, but it is strongly implied that they grew up together calling the same person "Mother"

[bronze drift]

And that was a horrible explanation btw

I’m sorry

[fervent radish]

nah fr tho

[tribal anvil]

Mine? Aww

[late rivet]

Freaking hell im leaving

[bronze drift]

Mine

[tribal anvil]

oh okay

[fervent radish]

rip to a real one 🙏

[bronze drift]

🪦

[fervent radish]

it is literally what happens in the game though

[tepid light]

Again, what on earth do you mean "don't act like it"

There's no 'standard' way that siblings have to interact, no matter how exactly they interact with each other, they are still siblings

And what do you mean 'the game never actually portrays it,' do you expect them to scream "HEY YEAH LOOK WE'RE DOING INCEST HERE!"

[tribal anvil]

Is he mad cuz he ships it and none of us do? apparently

[fervent radish]

just because you don't see how they interact as conveying being siblings...they are siblings

[tepid light]

YES JUST AS SAID HERE

[bronze drift]

Don’t continue that conversation

[fervent radish]

again, i chose to romance than as well

idek

[bronze drift]

If a person doesn’t wish to understand don’t force it on him

Or her

[tribal anvil]

Cool! Not me, that's not my cup of tea.

Profile says it's a dude

[fervent radish]

anyways

[bronze drift]

I chose

Both

[fervent radish]

what's everyone's favorite pact of punishment

[tribal anvil]

I did find some stupid cute art of Zag and Dusa and man, hella aodrable

[tepid light]

It just boggles my mind how some people can just endlessly refuse to acknowledge the info right in front of them

[idle girder]

em4

[hollow rain]

td3

[bronze drift]

It is not the people but the subjects, if the opinion is strong the mind wouldn’t open for anything else.
I’m sure you had it once

[hollow rain]

I like the time pressure

[bronze drift]

I don’t

I really don’t

[fervent radish]

many such cases for many people

[hollow rain]

becuase your mind isn't open

ahah

[fervent radish]

i knew asian would be downvoting td3 lmao

[bronze drift]

I’m too scared to try tbh

[tepid light]

You know me so well

[fervent radish]

i think i basically know all of the regulars' hades profiles by now

[bronze drift]

Indeed, I’m sure I had it a couple of times

As well

[tepid light]

Yes but I wouldn't absolutely drag on a discussion to the extent as what just happened

[tribal anvil]

How long did it go on? I only caught the tail end

[tepid light]

Way too long

[bronze drift]

I would sometimes try to discuss and maximum tag out

[raw apex]

Oh

[tribal anvil]

Cursing not allowed here?

[tepid light]

Nope

[bronze drift]

And that’s exactly what happened, but in a extended addition

[tribal anvil]

fffffffrick

[bronze drift]

25 minutes or so

[fervent radish]

ait

[idle girder]

on a side note
i peeked a bit at banana's extreme extreme measures heat setup before

[fervent radish]

his pact?

[tribal anvil]

GOOD GRAVY, he really doesn't want to see them as possible siblings!

[raw apex]

Was going to say aren't there situations where tight deadline 3 just kinda loses you the run?

And there's very little you could have done

[bronze drift]

Yeah

[tepid light]

Some hills just aren't worth dying on

And yet people stll do

[tribal anvil]

[hollow rain]

I think it's because I'm playing at 0 to 32 heat so far so td3 isn't a problem yet

[tribal anvil]

I've seen that more than once

[bronze drift]

You have to be quick with it

I don’t love that

[fervent radish]

it's fine

[raw apex]

Maybe I just need to get better since I just tried to jump from really low heat to 32 and was like a fish out of water vs 40 forced overtime

[bronze drift]

Real

[tepid light]

tight deadline 👎

em4 👍

[bronze drift]

Same here

[idle girder]

same here

[raw apex]

I don't want to get trolled by the satyr sack

[tepid light]

Holy cow I have finally found people with the same heat preferences as I do

[raw apex]

And timer pause rooms not happening

[tepid light]

Amidst this ocean of td fans

[raw apex]

Would I be crazy to say approval process feels god awful?

[tepid light]

It does indeed feel god awful

[idle girder]

yeah tough enemies but you have more time feels more natural

[hollow rain]

it is

[bronze drift]

We all just love those measures extreme

[fervent radish]

i mean i just run most of them so

td3 is just a fact of life

[tepid light]

You have a sad life then

[bronze drift]

Stressed life

[fervent radish]

nah, i'm actually having more fun in hades right now than i ever have

[raw apex]

Like even at 1 level it absolutely sucks because it always hits that 1 boon you wanted and now you have to roll for a worse version. At 2 it's like a trolley problem that just asks "is choice even real"?

[bronze drift]

Annoying life

[idle girder]

some might even say slow down and enjoy your life without any expectations and deadlines

🥁

[tepid light]

It's one of the pact modifiers I still haven't activated at all

[fervent radish]

ap2 increases the flow of your runs because you don't have to think

[bronze drift]

What the boon limitation one?

[raw apex]

Yep

[bronze drift]

Oh

I also don’t like that

It always takes the one I want

[idle girder]

ap1 is fine

[rustic vale]

No

[idle girder]

ap2 you're asking for it

[raw apex]

High heat can be an exercise of fun or self-loathing, and process feels like anti-fun

[tepid light]

Yes

[idle girder]

yes

[fervent radish]

anti-fun is crazy

[tepid light]

everyone throw tomatoes at shackle

🍅

[rustic vale]

Wait

Wait wait wait

I responded to the wrong message

[raw apex]

I like having choices in my roguelike game

[fervent radish]

i'm becoming jazz no way

[rustic vale]

I meant to respond to the message immediately above ot

[fervent radish]

i like playing a similar build run after run

[tepid light]

Please no

[rustic vale]

You’re washed at Hades?

[tepid light]

Oh hey they're back

[idle girder]

y'know what got me into roguelikes
this mobile game called soul knight where you can plant trees for currency and crafting weapons

[rustic vale]

Same

[bronze drift]

🍅💨

[tepid light]

FTL: Faster Than Light was my first roguelike experience

Good times

[rustic vale]

Soul knight is the only mobile game that I’ve gone out of my way to spend money on out of appreciation for the devs

[raw apex]

I have a problem with how much I play slay the spire. Busted crown is just complete trash, and for that reason I am forever not a fan of limiting my options

[idle girder]

big pog
i've probably spent more time on that game in classes - with my friend's phone no less - than i did actually studying the god awful subjects that i couldn't endure lmao

what is literature

[rustic vale]

I mainly spent time on my phone in the classes I never needed to pay attention in to excel

[tepid light]

illiterate confirmed

[fervent radish]

nah i just play the same build every run

[tepid light]

Explosive, if you become jazz you know how I'm gonna react

[tribal anvil]

Honestly the best subject

[tepid light]

History is best, literature isn't far behind though

[idle girder]

i teach math for a living
sadge

[tepid light]

ILLITERATE

[idle girder]

i am one of those asians who like math and can explain it to other ppl

[tepid light]

I am a rare sort of asian who despises math and went in the complete opposite direction in my studies

My brain is just not wired for math

[tribal anvil]

I do enjoy history a great deal, but my HS teacher apparently had a grudge against my great uncle or something she could not talk nice about him, and it soured the experience a bit.

Also she crammed notes on the whiteboard and I would have to squint to see anything, like lady, I already have chronic nystagmus you are doing me no favors here

[idle girder]

i'm partial on this one
i like the contents of what i read, but if my interpretation isn't aligned with the teacher we lose hella grades so
i hated it

[tepid light]

I'm not bad at it per se but I just hate it

[tribal anvil]

Yeah no, that part is suck

[tepid light]

This sounds more like a case of terrible teacher than literature being bad

(I've had teachers like that before)

[tribal anvil]

You should never be graded poorly because your OPINION didn't align with hers

[idle girder]

aHAH

so you see my point

[tribal anvil]

Hundred percent

[tepid light]

Ohhhh boy you should've seen one of my professors in a class I took recently

[tribal anvil]

🍵

Do tell

[idle girder]

that is why i now study to teach lul
to rid of the bad experiences

[rustic vale]

You can explain it to other people too? Dang I think that puts you up there compared to every one I know

[tribal anvil]

CAN I HAVE YOU FOR A TEACHER

[rustic vale]

Sure?

[idle girder]

lul

[tepid light]

She legit gave me a 0/35 on a paper I wrote

And the feedback, word for word, was

"[Asian], this paper shows you have learned absolutely nothing from the Analects or from Hegel"

[tribal anvil]

...dagnamit that was supposed to go to Desmond

[rustic vale]

I may be crazy but I’m pretty sure I could do a better job than my current uni profs

[tepid light]

All the other professors I had were incredible and nice and helpful

But she is legendarily terrible in so many ways

[rustic vale]

some of my profs are actually great

and then there’s my calculus prof where she’s trying really hard but just

cannot explain it for the life of her

[tribal anvil]

Actually if you can explain math too then please do

[tepid light]

You should have seen my brain struggle to comprehend the Monty Hall problem when I first encountered it

[tribal anvil]

I was atrocious at algrebra, shamefully still am, but geometry was the easiest frickin' thing

[idle girder]

i've actually seen this in an ielts reading paragraph before: basically science folks use fancy words to gatekeep studying, intentional or not

[tepid light]

My mind just refused to process the principle

[tribal anvil]

What class did you get that totally unfair grade in?

[idle girder]

why do we have Latin as the common language for science all the way until the new science age lmao

[raw apex]

Was the paper supposed to show you learned something from them?

[idle girder]

from 6th to 12th :ICANT:
maybe i was the problem, i will admit that

[tribal anvil]

It sounds like she was

[idle girder]

calc is whack if you don't ever see it irl
you've never had to calculate the volume of a penguin (assume it it cylinder-shaped)

[tepid light]

The prompt was basically contrasting the Analects of Confucius with Hegel's writings

The TA for the class literally told me "your argument was fine and solid, it just was completely opposed to the professor's personal view"

[rustic vale]

I can like

[tribal anvil]

Dad tried to teach me calculus with a "manga guide to" book (which are fabulous) and not even that could help

[rustic vale]

Visualise it

maybe I’m crazy

at least as far as I am rn

[raw apex]

ah

[rustic vale]

💀

[tribal anvil]

My head hurts just thinking about that

[idle girder]

yeah cuz we up until now never thought of how to simplify it

[tepid light]

Math sux

This has been a PSA

[idle girder]

like if i told you "integrals are just a bunch of rectangles smushed together" you'd either have no idea what i'm saying or you'll get 95/100

honest to god what i did to get a student to actually understand maffs 😂

[rustic vale]

https://tenor.com/view/crawl-crawling-slither-slithering-gif-11811453