h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

You’d be missing >90% of the game

[placid coral]

not stopping, i want the credits then im gonna do achievements

[fervent radish]

second is literally so long, feels like 3-5 business days when everything else in the game happens on a much faster scale

[lavish sorrel]

one second is pretty much as long as arthur's last swipe needs to come out
🐌

[granite island]

i have a very good concept of what a second is

I play TF2 a lot, a second is about how long it takes to reload two shotgun shells
Which I admit is a fair bit of time, but it's not that long

[real hound]

a second in tf2 terms is gonna be different to a second in hades terms, both games move in different ways and at different speeds

[granite island]

I'm aware

I've also been playing Hades for long time every day

i've often played them back to back

[lavish sorrel]

anyway, chiron bad

play it if you enjoy it but it does close to 0 damage without pseudotech

[fierce junco]

explosive shot pseudotech ❤️

[indigo badge]

mfw charon is the only aspect I've finished a 32 heat run with

[mint coral]

classic typo

[indigo badge]

i just noticed it but it's funny so I won't edit it

[rustic vale]

My favourite weapon is a massive oar

Someone needs to make a mod that replaces Arthur with the Oar

[indigo badge]

wouldn't the oar be a spear aspect actually? 🤔

[rustic vale]

mmmmm

Relative to how much damage it does and the massive swings

It’s more fitting

To go with arthurs moveset

[mint coral]

if zag can swing arthur like that he can swing the oar

[rustic vale]

just switch up the aspect’s bonus to something more fitting for charon

built in, additive hoarding slash

[mint coral]

"you can go into debt"

[rustic vale]

Each level lets u dip farther into debt

[mint coral]

or built in golden touch

[rustic vale]

something like that

[rustic vale]

If you were adding a whole new aspect to the game, yeah

[real hound]

@fervent radish just jumped from 20 to 32 heat on zag fists and won on my first attempt

[fervent radish]

good stuff

ME, very nice

[real hound]

i think i might keep pushing ME to see if i can get it to feel good

[real hound]

do you have any recommendations for other builds i can try? nem sword or zag/dem fists

[fervent radish]

fists kinda don't do well with entirely shooting for ME at higher heats(can be done as long as AP1/0 and low RI.

so both it and nem usually go for a flat damage start like dio, zeus, still ares, or athena attack(makes nem safer while allowing the built in crit to patch up dps)

[real hound]

one build i've really enjoyed is dem with dio atk, arti special and aphro dash, getting any of the duos feels good

[fervent radish]

yeah also viable

doesn't work super great without global at high heats, so it's usually a gilga thing

[real hound]

yeah i think last time i tried it was around 16 heat when i was still doing em4

how does the arti/zeus duo work with stygian soul

[fervent radish]

can't get it

because you need a cast on the ground

[real hound]

that's what i figured

the boon description in the codex doesnt say anything about that for some reason

[rustic vale]

They aren’t confused about the why

The “for some reason” part is about the player switching

“if you don’t care about that for some reason”

[mint coral]

if I got bigp'd over my fav duo I'd commit there's no escape

wait I just got it lmfao

[fervent radish]

I know, and I wasn’t telling noob

[placid coral]

tried extreme measures for the first time and died to theseus.. i was super close too 😭

[loud kernel]

🤔 what does the skelly statue do?

[fervent radish]

nothing

[mint coral]

show all of his glory

[loud kernel]

i mean, skelly IS sort of glorious. for a bunch of bones lol

[tranquil mortar]

I tried to do a controller run after ~140 on kbm and it was really weird but I managed to get a sub20. I feel like I've got a whole new game to learn (as if it wasn't replayable enough already)

[latent moon]

It do be like that

[hard viper]

I heard about something called an erebus gate, and I'm wondering how I get access to that

so far I've won once with every weapon and a few more times with spear

[jagged hamlet]

Have you purchased Erebus gates from the contractor?

[hard viper]

i havent

ig I'll do that when they show oup as an option

[hard viper]

This has probably been asked before, but what is the theoretically strongest build?

[fervent radish]

Rama

[old bluff]

Although more realistically, Dio Beo

[hard viper]

ignoring realism, perfect luck and getting exactly what you want when you want it if it is possible

idk what you mean by rama

[old bluff]

Then Rama

[fervent radish]

Yeah, trying to find it rn

[old bluff]

Just the aspect of Rama because it can theoretically skip entire bosses

With like 7 Ichors and Red rd

and the right rng

[fervent radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGDOz2yfTBI

Here we go

Theoretically the fastest possible hades run that we know of is similar to this

[latent moon]

And crits

[fervent radish]

Other answers are: flood flare beo having both modded and unmodded WRs, eris and dio beo having very strong routed records, and Rama for literally blasting through anything heat/heat speed related

7:30 unm 50 heat is nuts

[hard viper]

That's incredibly well done. I'm surprised to learn coronacht has a dash strike though

[fervent radish]

All weapons do

The bow charges much faster with its dash strike

[rustic vale]

Bow dash strike is a necessary component of it

[granite island]

Stygius, the Stygian Blade
Varatha, the Eternal Spear
Aegis, the Shield of Chaos
Coronacht, the Heart-Seeking Bow
Malphon, the Twin Fists
Exagryph, the Adamant Rail

I imagine most aspects refer to past users, though not all of them
After all, I doubt that Nemesis stopped using Stygius only to pick it back up again in Hades 2

The god aspects are definitely all past forms tho, from the Titanomachy

[rustic vale]

I think some of them have dialogues that refer to them as future wielders but I can’t remember

[granite island]

The hidden aspects have the strongest case for being future wielders, except for probably Gilgamesh and Lucifer who are super old

Lucifer's aspect would probably be one of the oldest, period, since it dates back to the birth of the universe (presumably)

Or at least Earth

Only Chaos would be older

And the newest, aside from the Zagreus aspects, would probably be either Nemesis or Achilles

We can't quite be certain about others like Arthur or Guan Yu tho

Beowulf would be older than Arthur for sure, because they come from the same region, but Beowulf is really really old
While Arthur is just kinda really old

[granite island]

I wanna make an Aspect timeline now, of which Aspects appeared in what order

Not any exact dates, per-se

Just in order

[real hound]

i believe it’s explicitly called out in 2 that ||both nem and eris had their respective Arms pre-zag and they came back into their possession post-chronos-takeover||
i know for a fact that that’s the case with ||eris||, not positive with ||nem|| but i seem to remember that coming up too

[granite island]

I think it's possible, we just have to do some guesswork

The order in my mind is probably something like Chaos, Lucifer, Gilgamesh for the first three because of how incredibly old they are...

[stiff obsidian]

I assumed it's just the infernal arms or whatever they're called assuming the form of the weapons of past, present and future users and channeling their power

Not the actual weapon itself

Like I'm pretty sure Achilles still holds his spear in the house of hades

And Hades literally uses his spear in his fight vs u

[fierce junco]

he uses gigaros iirc, the weapon we are in possession of is an older weapon he used

[real hound]

it’s not varatha

[stiff obsidian]

I see

[real hound]

same here, it’s explicitly called out that he swapped out varatha for his current spear

[stiff obsidian]

I suppose it makes sense for Hades since he was training zag with weapons

[real hound]

?

[fierce junco]

achilles taught zagreus

[stiff obsidian]

Initially it was Hades then he realised he needs to get a proper instructor

It's in one of the pre run cutscenes

'hold your spear here, and here' something like that

[real hound]

ah

idr that

[stiff obsidian]

I'll play some unmodded today to find it

[real hound]

infernal arms appeared for zag without hades knowing i do remember that

[stiff obsidian]

Yea

Idsk I'm confused

Isdk

Idk

[unkempt hollow]

I have Thanatos keepsake with damage bonus, If I changed the keepsake in the next region, will I lose the damage bonus?

[limpid cave]

Lucifer with zeus on special is so stupid

I love it

[tepid light]

If you do not have the keepsake equipped, you do not get the bonus

[tepid light]

Try it with zeus attack

Even better

[limpid cave]

yeah but that's actually good

[limpid cave]

also I'm trying to beat EM4, what keepsake do I take for the boss? Is acorn or skelly tooth better

with no weapon in particular, I'm just going in rotation as I see fit

[rustic vale]

Acorn is usually better at blocks more raw damage, but since em4 has more miniboss summons it’s easier to lose your charges early and not get that value

It’s kind of up to you

[tepid light]

kind of jarring to go right from "that's actually good" to "btw trying to beat em4"

[tepid light]

between those two, i'd go acorn

[mint coral]

I always go acorn em4 nowadays

Idk just don't get the bad summons

[tepid light]

keepsake is just one of the many things you have to account for with em4 anyways

[fervent radish]

Yeah acorn

Unless you’re really getting slammed by summs

[steep wagon]

how to fulfill any prophecy in hades

[fierce junco]

keep playing, and try and target some of them while playing

[steep wagon]

am i supposed to get the power ups with the scrolls

[fierce junco]

you get those boons from gods on runs, and if it's your first time with it, it'll fill itself on the prophecy

[fierce junco]

you do whatever it says and you get the reward just about whatever it lists (if it doesn't list anything, it'll be below the description)

[steep wagon]

i’m lost i don’t understand

wdym by list

[fierce junco]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1169147290112491540/1325845343845351474/Hades---The-Power-Without-Equal-Fated-List-Prophecy-Already-Completed.jpg?ex=677d4532&is=677bf3b2&hm=525ab6af7c9e44a6821688676d401c4a480786bb9aefabf37cf4745efb512d06&

the list that lists the boons/whatever you need exactly to complete that prophecy

[steep wagon]

so for some u just need to collect the boons that it lists

[fierce junco]

exactly

[steep wagon]

okay i was correct i was just making sure ty

[fierce junco]

some boons will even have a scroll on the boon itself to show you haven't taken it, and need it for prophecy

[steep wagon]

yes that’s what i mentioned earlier

[fierce junco]

yeah no worries

[fierce junco]

powerups threw me off

[steep wagon]

boons are basically power ups at least that’s how i see it

[fierce junco]

[limpid cave]

Aaand hera bow with trippy shot + the 2 duos was a fun way to beat em4 for the first time

[fierce junco]

i got disciple of poseidon but i have to wait 2 minutes to make sure i dont get hermes' titles

[ancient ivy]

letsgo, got my 10th escape after 34 tries. Quite moving

[fierce junco]

💪

massive kudos

[ancient ivy]

thx, now i'm interested if there is a follow up to that "plan" from lady P

[fierce junco]

there is

[ancient ivy]

nice, i shall uncover it then

[jagged hamlet]

But that's exactly like you LOL

[hard garden]

How big is the region that the game defines as "behind" for the purpose of backstabs? 90 degrees. 180, or something else?

[lavish sorrel]

imprecise question, depends on the weapon, what attack is inflicting the supposed backstab, and enemy type you're attacking (some enemies straight up can not be backstabbed).

[hard garden]

Huh, interesting. That's really weird that it depends on those, ignoring enemies immune to backstabbing.

[lavish sorrel]

More specifically, it's the notion of direction that needs to be defined here. Some things in Hades don't take into the account the angle of the hitbox, but the angle of the thing that created the hitbox relative to the target.

If you've ever blocked using the shield, you'll know that sometimes hits can sometimes bypass the shield for no apparent reason, and some hits can sometimes be blocked by the shield in a manner that doesn't look right.

[formal orbit]

some attack definitely go through block (||point blank dad skull cast, point blank dad spear throw||), some might go through (greatshield shockwave, fury dash)

this one is my favorite example of shield being a spaghetti plate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNFFfgms3p8

[gray shuttle]

Is it just me, or is pissing off Athena during a Trial of the Gods almost never worth it? 👀

[formal orbit]

nah, athena is the easiest imo

try pissing off ||grandma||, you will know how murderous those olympians are

[tacit rain]

The worst for me is aphro i hate fighting the charms

[tepid light]

bruh

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[tepid light]

I don't torture myself with optimization but I'm also not going to go to the other extreme and do ridiculously unoptimal things either

I still want to win my runs

[tacit rain]

Is it shamed upon to use god mode? Cuz sometimes I use it when I don't want to try super hard and I feel bad cuz it feels like cheating

[fierce junco]

Not at all, if you need it, use it, can always turn it off afterwards

[tacit rain]

alright alright thanks

Like I know i could beat the game without it and uve gotten up to 12 heat so far on spear without it just sometimes i just want to chill

i just started last week so im pretty new

but i played in the past before

[fierce junco]

12 heat in a week is quite the feat

[tacit rain]

ive put like 40 hours in

im mainly focusing on doing stuff like maxing affinity for my favorite characters like Dusa, Hypnos, Thanatos, etc

[formal orbit]

It took me 30 hours for first clear

Just be comfortable with your own pace

[jagged hamlet]

Unless you're Hermes

[tepid light]

Hermes is quite comfortable with his own pace I think

[opaque merlin]

Ok Is it normal to not have reunited achilles and patroculus before getting persephone?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[stoic minnow]

hi i just got the end credits does that mean the main story is done and i could possibly play hades 2?

[stoic minnow]

moslty playing for the story and i know theres more to accomplish in the game

[tacit rain]

There is some more story witht he olympians im pretty sure but I dont know if you're ready to move on sadly

[fervent radish]

That’s most of the story yeah

[stiff obsidian]

like anyone else

[gray shuttle]

Bingo

[mint coral]

I piss off athena cuz sd strats

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[fervent radish]

Yeah p much

Also in general invincibility is easier to deal with than more damage

[coarse knot]

It's so strange everybody loves spear I struggled so hard with it

It was the last weapon i cleared with and I had like EM4 clear with fist before 0 heat spear lol

[hard garden]

I swear, Patroclus only appears when I have 3 lives and near full health. If I have low health and no lives, the dude is never around...

[tacit rain]

Nyx pisses me off so bad like she's so rude to Dusa and for what??
Justice for Dusa

[old bluff]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[ashen hinge]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[tepid light]

The way I always interpreted this is that Nyx is a stern employer in general, and that Dusa is already being granted a big privilege by being allowed to live in the House of Hades despite being one of the not-very-liked gorgons

[indigo badge]

she's not really rude just gives her a lot of work

[tepid light]

Yeah when you're working in a service industry bosses can be

A lot ruder

[tiny garnet]

I just finished the main quest of the story

I love how supergiant gave credits to the mods and beta testers

It's wholesome

[stiff obsidian]

going thru old images

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1149462556625350736/Screenshot_2023-09-06_at_8.13.10_AM.png?ex=677f9cad&is=677e4b2d&hm=ba52adca8089f7b52652772e0d014a4f45021569258f33585ec2ff14fbcf37e8&

and damn

[fierce junco]

damn

[stiff obsidian]

https://imgur.com/a/HXZIRjE

lmaoo

[fierce junco]

god i hate that perk

that and the faster attacking one are terrible

[stiff obsidian]

so naive

[indigo badge]

looking at your past self and cringing

classic

[rustic vale]

Nah they’re goated

I couldn’t live without forced overtime 2

[fierce junco]

oh same, the bp perk though is what sucks

i just got like 5 chambers in a row where louts or thugs had the speed one with armour 😔

[fervent radish]

BP2 is so good wdym

[fierce junco]

the speed perk that you get from bp

[fervent radish]

Yeah

More jolted procs

[stiff obsidian]

speeder sucka

[fierce junco]

:o didnt even think about jolted

time to run zeus on nem 32

[fierce junco]

Just big catch 👍 make sure you delay it and don't worry about missing the fish

any wells in styx gives you a fish in styx so dont bother, and also wont affect surface fish anyway since they operate on 2 seperate cds

[fierce junco]

yep

[rustic vale]

They also don’t apply if you have huge catch

Huge Catch removes this cooldown entirely

[upper gust]

Steam once glitched on my side with cloud saves, and reverted my save where I had Arthur aspect unlocked. Now Nyx doesn't want to provide the dialogue again. May that mean that dialogues that are triggered are saved in a separate place from the normal save and I'll not get it again?...

[pale holly]

Hey so I did Hermes's favor (talking to him with Lambent Plume at 3*) but for some reason I can't keep gifting him stuff?

[mint coral]

Did you make sure the lock is gone

And dumb enough but did you have ambrosia in hand

Or were you trying to gift him in the same run you did the favor

[pale holly]

I have more than enough Ambrosia, so that's definitely not the issue. And last I checked the lock wasn't gone, which is what I'm confused about since I did the thing that should unlock it. And no, two different runs since

[mint coral]

Oh that

Is just rng

Gotta do it again

While having the plume is necessary for the favor is more like, it puts the necessary dialogue in a pool the game chooses from

[pale holly]

Hermes did comment on me having the plume equipped though

And the next run, he also commented on how fast I got through the previous run (though perhaps that was because I beat my record, not necessarily because of the plume)

[mint coral]

I assume you are at the limit if nectar already?

Don't know off the top of my head but maybe he has multiple dialogues for the plume too

[pale holly]

Yeah, he has as much hearts filled as I could

I'lll just try a second run with the Plume, thanks

[pale holly]

It unlocked now, thanks again ^^

[faint viper]

I have like 300 hours on PC but I just bought the game for switch- how do manually reload the adamant rail on controller?

(also damn this game is so much harder with a controller...)

[jagged hamlet]

Squish your right thumbstick

[faint viper]

Thanks

[raw herald]

Definitely one to rebind

[gray shuttle]

Dusa spoiler:

|| DUSA HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO CHIEF CUSTODIAN!!!!! I LOVE THIS FAMILY!!!! Mama Nyx is the best!||

[fierce junco]

[tepid light]

Two kinds of people

[loud kernel]

hay, fam, are there any documented instances of anyone with visual impairment beating hades?

[gray shuttle]

Fans of Nyx and Dusa and people who are wrong?

[tepid light]

There was another post from the other day which criticized Nyx for being cruel to Dusa

So it's just funny to see the exact opposite

[gray shuttle]

Aaaaaah they hadn't gotten as far as me, eh?

[tepid light]

Evidently not haha

[gray shuttle]

Nyx got Dusa to prioritize her work/life balance. Like a (real) boss

[jagged hamlet]

Anti tiger mom

[rustic vale]

I believe so cuz last I checked there are mods designed specifically for it

[fervent radish]

yeah, i heard of a blind guy who beat it with no accessibility mods

[inland moth]

i mean haelian completed a round blindfolded but thats more deliberal visual impairment so i dont think it counts

[fervent radish]

yeah, i'm talking about someone else who posted in this server some time ago

[loud kernel]

do you know who? i just want to confirm someone else beat it before me

[fervent radish]

#h1-victory-boasting message

this dude

[stiff obsidian]

i remember that

that was crazy

[fervent radish]

yeah

[lavish sorrel]

cracked indeed

[loud kernel]

i just saw a replay of one of his runs. WOW. that's impressive ❤️ i'm totally blind in my left eye, but my right eye is super wonky, but i can see some stuff. but damn, his strat on hades himself is wild lol.

[stiff obsidian]

wait where?

also congrats thats impressive

[fervent radish]

just search him on yt

ah alright, so for context he did use god mode, which makes sense

[opaque merlin]

Quick question when I rank up the plume does it give me the dodge bonus I earned if it had been ranked up from the start?

[real herald]

I don't think so

[loud kernel]

check it out https://youtu.be/rGDOatxjZh4?si=YU-BM9_DSO6yxRY_&t=5631

[strong abyss]

it does not, it only affects subsequent earnings

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t

[hard viper]

just tried fist and I really don't find them fun. Very slow, very short range, and kinda the opposite playstyle of every other weapon I feel like

i cant remember the last time I've lost death defiance to anything other than hades, and I ended up losing one to meg which feels awful

[rustic vale]

…new weapon usage type thing to happen thou

[hard viper]

not really. I managed to clear every other weapon first try once I finally managed to win with spear and sword

[rustic vale]

and so it couldn’t possibly happen for one new weapon

[rustic vale]

It’s very odd to hear fists describe as slow ngl

[hard viper]

the wait between hits on the main attack feels very slow to me

[rustic vale]

Oh the

temporary halt in between combos?

that explains it you were primarily standing striking

[hard viper]

yes, just feels very awkward atm

[hard viper]

is that not the only option?

[rustic vale]

dstrikes

[hard viper]

i thought dash strikes were spear exclusive

[rustic vale]

Dash strikes are most weapons best damage option

[rustic vale]

Only one aspect out of all 24 in game can’t dash strike

Bow lives and dies by dash strike

it’s so slow otherwise

[rustic vale]

This is more due to how it’s main strike works than the devs going “yeah this shouldn’t have a dash strike for funsies”

[hard viper]

ok now that i'm using dash strike, I take it back. This will take a bit to get used to but yea fists aren't pure garbage then

[rustic vale]

Pretty much every weapon uses it’s dash strike like religiously

[hard viper]

but yea I thought dash strike only existed on spear

[rustic vale]

even if the strike isn’t the focus of the build, it’s often still being used in between casts or specials

or on shield it lets you bring up your bullrush faster

[rustic vale]

It’s a game changer on like any weapon is what I’m saying

[hard viper]

i see. Anyway ty for telling me about that, i immediately started doing significantly better with it

[hard viper]

I've ended up getting a decent run going so I might be able to clear. Got a good build of athena-poseidon-artemis. Athena restored one of my death defiances as well so things are going pretty alright now

got kiss of styx premium! I can probably save this

[rustic vale]

Throw a 4th (non-hermes or chaos) god in there just to improve your boon odds

[hard viper]

yea, I added dionysus cast

ended up getting legendary artemis cast and a duo boon called unshakable mettle. Not sure which gods that came from but it seems good

[rustic vale]

Unshakeable mettle is pos athena and

I’m surprised it seems good

95% of the time it’s barely noticeable

[hard viper]

It seems like a good passive even if it isn't noticable

less damage from dad is going to be helpful for sure

[rustic vale]

11% more survivability against dad is decent ish

but

yeah it’s never a boon you’re going out of your way to find

[hard viper]

I won! No DD left but not extremely close

I think I'd do better with more dodge. Maybe zag aspect and lambent plume?

idk

oo, caught a fish in greece too

[rustic vale]

Certainly an option

I mean it’s good but Lambent plume start is

an option

[hard viper]

isn't the whole reason to pick something like lambent plume to use it at the start of the run?

[mint coral]

The boost goes away if you unequip it

[rustic vale]

Well yeah but you end up throwing a ton of opportunity cost by not taking a god keepsake, and you lock yourself into that keepsake for the rest of the run lest lose the bonuses

[hard viper]

I dont think Ive ever used a god keepsake. I thought they were always a bad choice

[rustic vale]

…given that builds exist at all

The options that exist the make sure you get your build are infinitely better than chucking rng to the Fates

Having dodge chance from Plume means nothing if you end up with like zeus strike on bow compared to any regular build etc etc

[hard viper]

I really should just completely ignore that one thegamer list

[rustic vale]

Yes.

Fully write off anything you see from thegamer, or reddit for that matter

or any gaming journal

[hard viper]

https://www.thegamer.com/hades-best-keepsakes-ranked/ i looked when I was extremely new to the game and I havent been able to completely forget it

[rustic vale]

they all suck

[rustic vale]

Don’t worry, the person who wrote that had the exact same amount of experience with Hades that you did 🫡

Last I checked there was only one good keepsake placement on that article

[fierce junco]

game journalist syndrome

[rustic vale]

Evergreen acorn in second is the only fair placement

Everything else in mindboggling

[old bluff]

Wtf is this

I don’t understand

[rustic vale]

Sidenote but TheGamer specifically is a pretty big meme

due to uh

multiple articles but the main one was the builds one

[hard viper]

can you link it?

[old bluff]

Isn’t that the video with the RT95 comment on it?

That calls them out super hard

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018858873735610418/Screenshot_20220912-082117_Chrome.jpg?ex=678110c4&is=677fbf44&hm=399b3ce89a13dbc1995fdb75f081704351eeffffa82b12be85e0bae6a865a174&

[rustic vale]

Don’t have it off the top of my head I just have screenshots

“For Lucifer, you just want… every Athena boon possible”

[old bluff]

I love how Athena attack doesn’t even work how they think it does lmao

[hard viper]

isnt phalanx shot awful no matter what

[rustic vale]

https://www.thegamer.com/best-hades-builds-weapons-boons/

Literally none of these are good builds

The closest thing to an actual build is the Aspect of Hera with trippy shot but it doesn’t go into detail at all

Also you can tell they haven’t played the game much because the god boon path for Hera is “artemis, dionysus, and hermes” as if Hermes is a regular God

[hard viper]

Aspect of poseidon with exit wounds doesn't seem bad, but it feels like the kind of thing I'd pick up happily if I got the chance but never go for deliberately

[stiff obsidian]

And now they're probably out of a job aswell bc they'll just replace them with LLMs to write articles

[old bluff]

They recommend CoD Beo lmfaoooooooo

[stiff obsidian]

Can't be worse than rock bottom

[rustic vale]

The issue is you bank on your cast not killing enemies in one hit if you’re using exit wounds

which is… not how cast builds typically tend to work

[old bluff]

Exit wounds and Quick reload on Trippy is so funny

[rustic vale]

For an ideal cast build the main time where you get use out of exit wounds is boss rooms

[rustic vale]

exit wounds on trippy

[hard viper]

ohhhh i didnt see that LMAO

[rustic vale]

Gigabrain article writer

[old bluff]

I don’t think they recommend Stygian either. So they are taking quick reload on trippy

[rustic vale]

Ok one upside here

[old bluff]

Y’know, the boon that makes lodged cast drop quicker

[rustic vale]

They did mention breaching cross good

guys thegamer recommends explosive shot, do you think they know bow tech

[old bluff]

100%

Because everyone knew how to do that in the ripe old year of 2020

[rustic vale]

It’s so sad that they don’t have a charged flight beo build

[old bluff]

So true

Although they recommend CoD so it’s fine

Lmao they made this piece of garbage as well https://youtu.be/_S5EmVDXSvo?si=yASjblgkfiRe438J

[rustic vale]

“The strongest aspect, however, is the aspect of Arthur”

It’s so beautiful how hard they miss nemesis here

[old bluff]

Beo is slow guys, don’t you know?

[stiff obsidian]

divided by borders united by theGamer trashtalking

[lavish sorrel]

they're predicting the inevitable eventual arthur 64 heat run, just you wait

[latent moon]

I wonder if that's gone anywhere at all

That one reddit post

Can't find it unfortunately

[hard viper]

i assume you mean harpy feather duster?

[raw herald]

wtf i have the top comment

[hard viper]

if I understand right, acorn is the best keepsake for high heat, and for lower heat things like skelly's tooth are better

[slate totem]

guys how can i give nectar to bouldy

[latent moon]

Not really, acorn is just better lmao

[tepid light]

Just stand next to him and there should be a prompt

[opaque merlin]

Ok hopefully I can free sisyphus soon and get olympians for the feast.

I have acquired hades 2 but would like to finish the most important bits of the main story first

I hope there aren't that many conversations to be had with persephone.

I got everyone all the nectar already

[warm karma]

I've a question

is the chiron bow op?

I've managed to escape 3 times in a row because of it

its so op to me but I wanna know the general consensus

[stiff obsidian]

not

[warm karma]

explain how

[umbral dew]

what's the most satisfying thing in hades and why is it demeter's legendary boon triggering against the final boss

[warm karma]

wtf

[umbral dew]

though a clutch win with a fishing point in the final boss room is up there too

[lavish sorrel]

one of the aspects with the lowest skill-floor, but also one of the weakest aspects as far as damage is concerned. its ease of use makes it a popular newbie-pick, but it's in most respects trash

[tepid light]

nah nah most satisfying thing is 1000+ damage crit on third swing of arthur

actually restores life to my body whenever it happens

[fervent radish]

Too slow and not enough base damage

[finite geode]

hades? more like AWESOME! share this to 10 people if you love hades

[indigo badge]

on a high skill level, the damage output is very low
you can get so much more out of other aspects/weapons

[wide dome]

Is there any reason why image sending is not allowed in this server?

[fervent radish]

Probably to encourage it for only victory screens

But you can post image links here

[wide dome]

ohh how exactly?

[fervent radish]

If you post the image normally in a bot dm or smth, you can copy the image link with right click and then post that here

[wide dome]

hmm okay thanks

If I want to post a photo here related to the ending of the game, will I have to spoiler tag the photo?

[mint coral]

This channel no

Only in #h1-for-new-players for anything post final boss

[wide dome]

okay thanks

Just wanted to post that my jaw absolutely dropped and I got goosebumps when this song started playing like it's immediately going into my playlist also what an end..... wow nice...small tear in the corner of my eye
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705781398555983873/1327393527725948980/Hades_342.png?ex=6782e70e&is=6781958e&hm=c91d7661d5c329b01a4426dbfae6ad46cc584a39c01cee9d8c99266aeddac705&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705781398555983873/1327393525985448057/Hades_344.png?ex=6782e70e&is=6781958e&hm=b465624caeba5996e5977fc864403f208387eec5734d35255572daa3f099ed68&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705781398555983873/1327393525112766605/Hades_345.png?ex=6782e70e&is=6781958e&hm=2b566b7acd5a235877f01334f90f2907ff98cf0a46be814cd2e6a86f95c6a581&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705781398555983873/1327393523510804480/Hades_347.png?ex=6782e70d&is=6781958d&hm=2caee824478fced767777582a37406506ceed27e20f0b19874cf087e5426a0b3&

❤️ ❤️ ❤️
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705781398555983873/1327393520465481898/Hades_351.png?ex=6782e70d&is=6781958d&hm=76b18b68e90401b983eaa4d84a364f56853afa8a97f1a0186fb2aefafcba4396&

That's all

what a game

and still so much left to do

[stiff obsidian]

[fervent radish]

Yeah still so much left to do!!

[stiff obsidian]

finished all completable stuff in h2 as well

[umbral dew]

i almost never get to hear zag sing flameater but i'll occasionally have him say nothing at all

[frail marsh]

Hi

I'm making some videos about the game and I'm pretty new t (40 hours or so) but I really wish to talk about it. If someone can answer me some questions

Pls

[old bluff]

Ask away!

[frail marsh]

These two questions are pretty much the same but:

High Confidence or Thick Skin?
Fiery Presence or Shadow Presence?

Is one better than the other?
Which one has more versatility?
Which one is better for an early-game escape attempt?

[old bluff]

For new players, thick skin is def the better choice, as it is kinda hard to make use of HC as new player as you are getting hit a lot. For Fiery vs Shadow, that one is a little more weapon dependent, but most run Fiery

[frail marsh]

Also is this suited for this channel or it should go in #h1-for-new-players ?

[old bluff]

They're fine in here, but if you want to avoid spoilers, the other channel would be better

[frail marsh]

Ok

Which would you say are the worst boons or the least useful ones?

[old bluff]

Unfortunately, there is a lot of bad boons lmao, but some of the worst would prob have to be the Demeter and Dio secondaries

[frail marsh]

Secondaries?

Like the throwable or the special?

[old bluff]

You have 4 core boon slots, being Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash (you also have Call but that is not technically a core). Secondary boons are boons that are only available after taking a certain core boon from a god

[frail marsh]

Oh

So you think the Dionysus ones and Demeter ones are not that good?

But are they relatively bad or bad bad?
Like they are bad or the other ones are just better?

[old bluff]

Most are either useless or just bad bad

The only good one is Killing Freeze from Demeter

[frail marsh]

Ok

[hard viper]

I'm not looking to perfectly mix-max, but is there is a list of good builds somewhere?

since googling best hades builds has given less than favorable results (the gamer)

[jagged hamlet]

Try the third pinned message in #h1-builds-and-combat

[hard viper]

i dont really understand how to use the page linked there

[jagged hamlet]

Are you looking at the third pinned message?

[hard viper]

ah I was looking at the first

[jagged hamlet]

I was about to question your ability to read a blog

[hard viper]

Words are just a concept

[jagged hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[wide dome]

A good guide here with a lot of useful links
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-achilles-spear

[latent moon]

That's the same one pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat lmao

[limpid cave]

At which titan blood level does aspect of chaos become decent? Since it seems fun to use but I'm not sure should I first level up other weapons if it's only good on lvl5

[stiff obsidian]

its good at level √-1

[limpid cave]

I mean

I'm mostly getting aspects to lvl 4 as of now since the jump from 4 to 5 is small enough

just not sure is 3 enough for some

[stiff obsidian]

dont bother with chaos, its not worth the titan blood

it doesnt have anything to offer so you can just get it at the end when you have nothing to spend on

[limpid cave]

I guess, it seems fun to use though so that's why I want to try it at least

[stiff obsidian]

the special?

[limpid cave]

Yeah

[stiff obsidian]

upgrade whatever you find fun iguess

enough titanblood. tog o around

[limpid cave]

I guess

Is it worth it to turn ambrosia into titan blood?

I'm sitting on around 50 of it even though I've gone through most of the affection quests

[stiff obsidian]

should be fine

you will get an abundance of both over time anyway

[valid kernel]

do the green upgrades stack with the og upgrades in the mirror?

[mint coral]

No

You alternate

[hallow fern]

would you guys take a +1 cast or a 58% dmg cast from chaos

[valid kernel]

58% dmg

ik stickybot i am talking about hades 1

[mint coral]

I'd take cast dmg too yeaj

Although what are the curses

[hallow fern]

+1 cast is dash range and dmg is take more trap dmg

[valid kernel]

just avoid traps then

[lavish sorrel]

?

isn't additive scaling like super common

extra stone > additive buff imo unless the buff is epic, in which case it can be a consideration

[hallow fern]

yeah tahts why im asking

also whats the best cast to take with beowulf

[lavish sorrel]

poseidon, usually, since it leads nicely into the mirage shot duoboon

aphrodite is a common pick in high heat since it is less needy

and dionysus cast + stygian soul in mirror can be used but only at low-ish heat because it's very needy (needs an extra stone immediately, or else damage falls off a cliff)

[mint coral]

For casts not really? There's rd and gambling up on braids lasting 2 sacks

If you already had another additive I'd prob take the stone tho

[stiff obsidian]

all the usual global scaling works on it too rigth

lik drink

etvc

[lavish sorrel]

quoting zyru here:
"Always pick the 4th stone, but at 5th stone the additive becomes more tempting"

you get much less mult than additive, getting the mult when you can is essential

plus, 4th stone make cast-management easier anyway

[hallow fern]

when running a cast build do i want epic chance or duo boon chance on the mirror

[lavish sorrel]

legacy is such a scam

(pride is too but less so)

[mint coral]

Pride is the answer for like 99% cases

Epic hermes gud

Beo can use legacy cuz mirage is double dmg but for low times you still prefer epic chance afaik

[limpid cave]

Oh damn lightning rod + hades call works

fun

[hallow fern]

do you guys perfer hera or beowulf

[mint coral]

Beo

I suck at hera

[limpid cave]

hera with dio and stygian soul is fun

[mint coral]

Beo gets to do it better lol

Cuz you get pom bug

[hallow fern]

whats the beo pom bug

[mint coral]

Trippy flare on beo gets x2 the value of each pom

First pom is +60 but the bug makes it +120

[hallow fern]

why can the +1 cast boon from chaos be any rarity but it always does the same thing

[mint coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It used to work with rarity before iirc

[rustic vale]

+3 casts off one boon is insane

And it would also really cheapen Fully Loaded from artemis

If the rare and epic boons from chaos did the same effect (or greater) than a Goddess’s legendary boon

I think back when it scaled with rarity was back when Support Fire was the legendary, instead of Fully Loaded

[old bluff]

I'm ngl, there is no right answer here

Both are really strong and there is an argument to take both

[wary iron]

Depends on how many casts I have

[frail marsh]

For some reason I don't have the option to free Orpheus

I have completed 6 runs so far and the dialogue between Zagreus and Hades for that doesn't appear

[runic jungle]

I have a newfound appreciation for Aphrodite boons now.
But it's 2025 and I still don't like Athena lol.
Its funny bc Apollo is kinda worse than Athena but I still would rather run him compared to her.
I played a modded run once just to exclusively use the Apollo mod

[cinder trellis]

Which is the better choice in area 2, the encounter or Artemis/Posedion room?

[fierce junco]

aspho? id go trial of god room and pick pos

can also note chamber number too

[cinder trellis]

Dang, I went with the encounter, hoping to upgrade my crit boon, but it didn't hit

[fierce junco]

rough

dont upgrade pp though, its not worth it

[runic jungle]

Those the rooms where you can choose between two gods right?
I always get so nervous picking those rooms especially if it's in the area that has lava in it.
Dio, pos and zeus are the problematic ones for me

[fierce junco]

and aphro is horrendous

and yes

[cinder trellis]

I've gotten to phase 2 of the final boss before, it's down to improving on my boon choices and small things

[fierce junco]

🫡

some of artys secondarys are so awful, just take hunters mark and pp and take other gods (if you are hunting a duo take them over other choices unless its other duo god)

[cinder trellis]

Ah okay, I've been having most success with the spear and the fists

[fierce junco]

hell yeah

[cinder trellis]

@fierce junco Any chance you have some general tips on how to tell which is better from a boon/weapon/chaos

[fierce junco]

just reading them i guess, and lots of experience

if you take a chaos boon though, avoid your main dps hits if thats the curse, and pick anything else

if you do pick it they cannot kill you, it will only leave you at one if you want to risk it

[cinder trellis]

Interesting

Okay, what about how to choose between a boon or another reward room like health or money?

[fierce junco]

you just lose just as much damage if you eat that curse and take too much damage for it to be worth it

[fierce junco]

usually take money over health since they can offer both healing and an extra boon from a shop

[cinder trellis]

Okay boon over health too?

[fierce junco]

enemies die faster and you take less damage that way

(boon)

if you get the codex upgrade from contractor: reference it often to make sure you pick the right prerequisites

[cinder trellis]

I have that

[fierce junco]

theres a tier list from a speedrunner here i check often, if i can refind it ill post it here

[cinder trellis]

Which do you think is the best attack rider boon?

[fierce junco]

attack rider boon?

[cinder trellis]

"strike"

like adding hangover or doom

[fierce junco]

zeus for most

[rustic vale]

…this is so heavily aspect dependent it’s not even funny

[fierce junco]

a little funny

[cinder trellis]

Okay, say spear with Zagreus aspect

[runic jungle]

I kinda feel like zeus attack is really best on the ranged weapons.
Mainly the rail
Especially when compared with flurry and/or delta chamber + jolted

[rustic vale]

Zeus lets you fds, ares lets you merciful end, and I guess if you really tried hard you could do a +% based thing with serrated edge but

[cinder trellis]

I'm terrible at using the gun

[rustic vale]

Zeus attack works well on fast weapons, not just ranged weapons

there’s a distinct difference

zeus does not work well on bow strike, but it kills on rail, fists, spear

[fierce junco]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1251742336359333988/Screenshot_2024-06-15_223547.png?ex=67848a65&is=678338e5&hm=cd668d1e26db89fe4f719d6c069f03abebdc8a63cc2b9c2c05437171b601a6ac&

(thank you edward)

[rustic vale]

…part of the meme of the tierlist is it being barely legible

[runic jungle]

I can definitely make it work on bow as long as I have flurry shot at least lol.
If i can't get flurry then I typically go for hangover or Artemis attack for it

[rustic vale]

…it’s just the bow doesn’t attack weak enough for it to make sense

Not that bow isn’t fast enough

bow strikes sheer base damage just makes +% make more sense lol

[old bluff]

lmao, how did you find that

[old bluff]

I remember when I posted this to reddit and the top comment was something about how you couldn't read it

It was like, dawg that's kinda the point

[rustic vale]

❤️

This gives me hope that some of my very well crafted diagrams might be used some time in the future

Althought it was probably found off reddit rather than backlog searching here

[fierce junco]

god forbid we lost the thunder dash bug drawing

[rustic vale]

this one is my pride and joy

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1092918262649602058/IMG_3411.png?ex=67842ef3&is=6782dd73&hm=7b2900b9235c30021d7037e4a2b2f67f00c65e413306a87f6124c8e929b29b74&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=542&height=507

[old bluff]

Have you posted this one or the bow video more?

[jagged hamlet]

I wish to see Zagreus dash around like The Drifter of Hyper Light Drifter

800 dash streak challenge

[rustic vale]

Yhggggg

Great question

[raw apex]

How does one catch very rare fish?

[rustic vale]

When you perform a regular catch you have a 50:50 of getting a common or rare fish. When you perform a perfect catch, it’s a 50:50 for a rare or legendary fish

[raw apex]

But what's a perfect catch? Just time it with the audio cue?

[rustic vale]

Perfect catches happen if you catch the fish with a third of a second (0.334s)

of the bobber going down

hmm

it’s way easier to fish when you know the intracacies lemme find the fishing guide

[rustic vale]

(Also the game will tell you whether you got it or not)

[rustic vale]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish

Thnx Nyaanyaa

that should give you the strats and things to keep in mind to make perfect catches way easier

[raw apex]

I see

[weak birch]

I just had the cruel realization that, after months of not playing hades 1 because of events interrupting my original playthrough, that I was one escape attempt away from the true ending. Just felt like sharing lol.

[limpid cave]

Is there any place in game where you can see more detailed stats? I feel like the ones in the administrative chamber are too few

In the sense run history, what caused the most deaths, total deaths/escpaes

etc

[indigo badge]

now get the epilogue

and finish every character's quest

[tiny garnet]

Guys I need help

I'm not getting the option to give ambrosia to the olympians

I finished the main story

I want to get the epilogue and all the special keepsakes , I got skelly one today

[limpid cave]

It'll come with time

[frail marsh]

I refuse to read cursed slash slander

(I've only used it one time and had plenty of health to bypass the downside)

[distant mulch]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5lfoxLv56xGnP8CDLfhA7r?si=a50235ad98b347ad
how did it take me so long to realise this song was co-composed with these rhythm game gods?

That's an insane lineup

[lavish sorrel]

Advocating for world splitter to be put at the bottom of "actually useful" tier

[rustic vale]

I’ll consider it when I finally edit this

since I think double nova was moving up

as well

[rustic vale]

Truth != slander

It’s just not useful

It only applies it’s bonus to standing strikes, which means that on every regular sword you need to put yourself in more danger (standing striking) to deal less damage (standing striking) to regain meager amounts of hp

which doesn’t balance out or make up for you lossing 60% of your hp

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah, to the top of neutral iirc

Honestly shoutout to chopp for making nearly every otherwise detrimental hammer neutral

Special will never be used, so dash nova is no longer detrimental with chopp

And fully slash can not appear with chopp already picked

Only potentially harmful one is cursed slash, but even that isn't as bad as it could be since the chop combo involves using standing strikes every 2 attacks

[rustic vale]

[fierce junco]

double nova sometimes doesn't send out the second wave

[fervent radish]

It should as long as you don’t dash cancel

[crude bolt]

Am I the only one who likes Cursed Slash?

I just like face tanking

[rustic vale]

You can cancel it by dashing too soon

[rustic vale]

You aren’t the only person, it’s just like

not functional

[crude bolt]

Its how i first beat hades (ive only beaten hades once)

[rustic vale]

to use cursed slash you choose to deal less dps and have less max hp to regain like… a teeny bit of hp

[crude bolt]

If you attack fast enough and spam dash ive never gotten below 30 hp

Its very easy to heal even then

[rustic vale]

…see the thing is it doesn’t bode well as you ramp up heat

Anything is viable from 0–20 heat lol

[crude bolt]

Well as i said i only beat hades yesterday

So you're probably right

[fervent radish]

I believe in the cursed Arthur 60

[rustic vale]

you lose dps because you’re using the standing combo vs dash striking, and since enemies live longer they have more opportunities to hit you

[rustic vale]

well yeah but cursed arthur is a different story

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[fierce junco]

dont you want to dash cancel out of special?

[rustic vale]

…why would you want to dash cancel sword special

[fervent radish]

Not when you have double nova lol

Bc that’s your damage

[fierce junco]

😔

[scarlet cobalt]

Demeter fists and kinetic launcher is so fun

Wish we could choose the hammer from the gecko later in the game at least 😔

[jagged hamlet]

https://youtu.be/SQly8shdRgE?si=jPgUOFuz4_zM65gE

[old bluff]

I just got this recommended lmao

[crude bolt]

I find the talos fists are faster personally

[vernal gulch]

idk if this is the correct channel for this, but i'm having trouble with unlocking the secret bow aspect. ||I've revealed Guan-Yu for the spear (not bought yet) and invested 5 blood into the bow. Artemis either says nothing or just something irrelevant. help :((||

[mint coral]

Luck issue

Just keep going

[vernal gulch]

oh

alright thx🙏

[spice kernel]

Ok who was gonna tell me that

||Hades has a second phase||

It hard enough already to beat him then he pulls that shiz

[edgy topaz]

Hey yo

My game completely froze and my notebook doesn't respond lmao

I been playing too much hades I think

Sorry found the right channel

[limpid cave]

Do you guys prefer fiery or shadow presence on guan yu?

[jagged hamlet]

Fiery by far

[fervent radish]

Fiery if you’re playing a special build

[limpid cave]

welp bad thing I forgot to change my mirror before starting the run

ohw ell

it's strong enough

am I the only one slightly annoyed that you have to backtrack to the mirror after picking your weapons

it'd be nice to be able to swap at the pact of punishment

[indigo badge]

did you really think you're the only one who has death defiance

it runs in the family

you could say... it's in the blood...

[frail marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/hd-smirk-gif-7206957141966421326

[noble cargo]

do i lose my sale file if i delete the game?

i finished everything, 42/47 achievements, epilogue done and all. i was thinking of deleting to not get burn out and save my passion for hades 2 full release

[jagged hamlet]

Which platform are you playing on?

[noble cargo]

pc, on steam

[jagged hamlet]

Steam should back up and hold onto your save

Please double check this though: I'm only like 98% sure

[noble cargo]

thank you so much! i'll look it up and see what i can find / get more people's opinions just to be safe

[fervent radish]

You can copy your save data if you want but yeah it should be fine

[crude bolt]

it so sda

[tepid light]

learning experience (TM)

[frail marsh]

Its funny when important events on the game get messed up

bcuz for some reason Zagreus tells Orpheus that he found his purpose in escaping hell|| to see his mother|| but ||Persephone it's already in the house||

So now I'm stuck with early game dialogues when running in late game

Also

So ||Patroclus and Achilles are together but in a brothers in arms or lovers kind of way ||?

It's there a way to get the game's sfx files?

[opaque merlin]

Been a while since I used them but can I make sisyphus chamber appear with the dice?

[old bluff]

Nope

[opaque merlin]

aww.

Sisyphus really has been avoiding me as of late

[frail marsh]

He's breadcrumbing you

[opaque merlin]

I just really want to be done with his prophecy and get those two achievements

well speak of the devil I found him

[frail marsh]

Yeah

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[opaque merlin]

But I assume the post epilouge dialouge doesn't contribute right?

Sisyphus is the bane of my life. Can't P-rank him in ultrakill and can never find time to read the myth of sisyphus.

and now here his quest takes me eons

[frail marsh]

idk In my 25 runs I have found him a unbelievable amount of 4 times

[frail marsh]

Kinda ironic isn't it

[real hound]

read their codex entries

[frail marsh]

My codex entries of them are not completed

[real hound]

where have you gotten with them

[frail marsh]

Patroclus asked me about Achilles and Achilles told me a little of Patroclus

[real hound]

i mean you kind of get the vibe of their relationship from the first bits of their codex entries

[frail marsh]

"Forgive me. It is not my place to say much of him, now. May his name yet live. May his soul bask forever in the glory of Elysium"

I mean from the dialogues they give the vibe of ||romantic lovers||

[real hound]

does that sound platonic to you bestie

lmao

[frail marsh]

It could idk

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-elmo-sad-elmo-sad-stare-gif-26846922

[ashen hinge]

How the wretch am I supposed to get Chaos' defiance boon?

[latent moon]

Rng lmao

It's like a 1% chance

Make sure you have a chaos boon before hand

Take gods legacy

Pray

[real hound]

thought i heard that legacy didn’t affect it?

[latent moon]

No clue tbh

[real hound]

i ran legacy for a while and i don’t think i saw defiance more than once

[opaque merlin]

Also get the rerolls

Its how I got it

[timid mortar]

Why my "In the blood" have no vocals while in the House?

[limpid cave]

Which non-god boon do you usually take going into floor 3? I'm not sure whether to take purse, pom blossom or maybe even hourglass

of course for cast builds I'll be inclined towards pom blossom for example, but in general

[mint coral]

take hourglass if doing casts

or just acorn/dad call

[lavish sorrel]

pom blossom is never the best option

in no universe is mom-pom ever optimal

[limpid cave]

Awh, I like seeing the numbers go up though

but good to know

[rustic vale]

Hourglass / purse / acorn (or a different defensive keepsake) / some niche builds take Sigil

[tepid light]

I wish it was more reliable tbh, the effect does make me smile

[latent moon]

most of the time, the number goes onto the boon you dont care about lmao

[keen rock]

hello there, to do tat prophecy of fishing 25 fish and tell poseidon, do i need to hold the 25 fish while talking to poseidon, or can i sell it to the head chef?

[rustic vale]

Iirc you just need to have caught 25 fish, and can complete the prophecy by just speaking to him at least 1, but let me double check it

[keen rock]

i checked here, i have 87 fish, saw poseidon a lot, and didnt unlocked the prophecy

checked on the tank, in the same room that the head chef stays

[mint coral]

The prophecy needs a legendary fish caught iirc

[rustic vale]

Well yeah, is it not 25 different kinds of fish or am I silly

Don’t answer that (I just did a mental head count there are only 18 fish)

[fervent radish]

😄

I take Pom blossom into aspho sometimes, so that’s one universe

[limpid cave]

I'm thinking of taking it into apho right now

[fervent radish]

And Pom blossom start is technically optimal

[limpid cave]

since I got a nice early crystal beam + artemis

on achilles spear

[fervent radish]

I would only take it if you have 1-2 boons and you want all of them pommed

Hourglass is better for a cast build

[limpid cave]

Sure, but I think aspho will be easy so I don't mind taking a bit of scaling for now and hourglass later

[fervent radish]

Alex is right that Pom blossom is usually terrible

[mint coral]

don't you get like only one pom in aspho

[fervent radish]

Hourglass gives better scaling though

[limpid cave]

Wait how?

[fervent radish]

Braids and stones from wells

[fervent radish]

I think it’s two?

Might depend on the number of combats

[limpid cave]

hm makes sense

[mint coral]

pom is 4 fights right

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[limpid cave]

ill see

or maybe purse into hourglass?

[mint coral]

you have 18 to 22 so I don't think you can squeeze a 2nd pom

unless extension then 2nd on lernie

[fervent radish]

I c

Yeah p blossom sucks unless you take it in tart I guess

[fervent radish]

Only if you’re broke but it sounds like you have all the boons you want

If you don’t have the duo, take Artemis keepsake

[lavish sorrel]

not even seeded - regardless of route - uses pom blossom, I therefore don't think your statement is true

[limpid cave]

alright sounds good

thanks

[fervent radish]

That’s because seeded doesn’t scale with poms as an outlier

Normal hades runs need substantial pommage

[rustic vale]

[lavish sorrel]

aaaaand seeded by its nature is supposed to simulate perfect runs, right?

[fervent radish]

I’m aware that it’s not the most optimal thing ever lol

Just that if you start with a boon and want poms into it, it’s more optimal to start Pom blossom and just get that boon

[lavish sorrel]

that's a more reasonable take to have, yes.

[limpid cave]

oh dear god I almost took cold embrace when I saw green

[rustic vale]

Kinda crazy that they managed to make a boon which makes meme beams worse

[limpid cave]

this run was actually stupidly lucky

[fervent radish]

<@&456908176877551658>

[red coral]

@nocturne belfry hello, please only contact the developers through their contact email on their website!
https://www.supergiantgames.com/contact/

[fierce junco]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1253249586919641088/1328520036612308992/downloadfile179.jpg?ex=67870033&is=6785aeb3&hm=d2bdf6291471c507dc78fbea0f58d3d7a7dce076c1ee08ed9b3f2a07e8bba313&

💪

[rustic vale]

Hypnos ain’t a big counter eh

[fierce junco]

another thing on his personal to-do list

damn. (phase 3, i nickel and dimed that poor ~13 health) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1253249586919641088/1328532094254714890/downloadfile180.jpg?ex=67870b6e&is=6785b9ee&hm=8dcbcaf302a00ce78051f23fce0d75dc8b53b1650db638edcaa6e019a03ad16a&

[old bluff]

<@&456908176877551658>

[void vigil]

thx

[frigid vale]

Who should i give my honey drink when i use shield special skill alot

[jagged hamlet]

That's really hard to answer since it's too slow to benefit from flat damage and too weak to benefit from %-based boons. You shouldn't really be using the Special much on most shields, honestly

[frigid vale]

Fr?

Its hard to go near some of them

[jagged hamlet]

Yep. The two "normal" shields tend to alternate Dash-Strike and Bull Rush, taking Aphrodite for the high % Attack

[frigid vale]

Using the special is like on easy mode

[fervent radish]

not really

doesn't do any damage and you can't use the shield while it out

[rustic vale]

…ez mode = deal 0 damage!?!?

[jagged hamlet]

Maybe PaperPoop would enjoy the bow

[fervent radish]

yeah, there's actual good ranged weapons

[frigid vale]

I mean i did kinda get into the last part of the game but i died

Hermes fast special + Zeus special dmg electric thing is kinda good but eh idk

[fervent radish]

ehh, it's meh in comparison to other sources of damage in the game

[frigid vale]

If i use bow who should i give the honey drink to?

[fierce junco]

artemis

[frigid vale]

Which keepsake should i hse

[fierce junco]

arrow from artemis

[jagged hamlet]

Or Aphrodite, then use her keepsake

[fierce junco]

just give nectar to everybody's first heart just to get their keepsake, and the ambrosia (obtained by killing heroes in elysium) (recommended: megaera first) gift to all gods just max them out in whatever order

[fierce junco]

||you'd probably want artemis just to pump more damage in the ideal slot for poms, and aphro in special just to apply the effect. for starting keepsakes you want to pick the one that will affect your weapons main source of damage the most 🤓|| i think for faster attacking and believing in the heart of the cards unhealthy fixation and aphro in attack could be funny

[jagged hamlet]

Aphrodite is pretty good damage on bow though. Artemis is less consistent, and her Attack really wants Chaos boons on Attack

Also, PaperPoop will probably want to get very comfortable with Dash-Striking into Power Shots

[tepid light]

That's for weak gamers

True gamers do standing strike Explosive Shot Rama

[fierce junco]

hardcore

[tepid light]

(Yes I've tried that and yes it was just as agonizing as one would expect)

[fierce junco]

duly noted (chaos dementia)

[fierce junco]

please tell me you had sniper shot on it lmfao

[tepid light]

I don't remember

[fierce junco]

probably for the best

[tepid light]

I think I had Twin Shot actually

For maximum meme

Less range and horrifically slow charge time in exchang for very funny numbers

[latent moon]

triple shot, point blank, explosive rama

[tepid light]

The four main food groups

[latent moon]

true

[cursive prairie]

For the future, triple shot, explosive shot or point blank shot? For rama
I did double explosive shot and it basically made a shotgun

The combined slowed effect of double shot and explosive made jt nigh impossible to reach maximum pull
In hindsight im regretting it

[tepid light]

Yeah it's hilarious to think about but kinda painful to actually play

If shotgun stuff is what you wanna do, you're better off with the actual shotgun weapon

[mint coral]

Twin shot doesn't slow the charge speed

Also if you have explosive, perfect shots don't really matter

[fading vine]

ayo I just started the game

[tepid light]

Welcome! Is a very good game

[vernal kestrel]

Hey everyone, pretty new to the discord. I have so far only been able to complete runs with chirons aspect and zags rail. I am struggling to play any sort of melee. Anyone had this problem and can recommend some Yt'ers? I am also currently stocked with 11 Tb because I just don't want to invest in something that I end up not liking. I have chirons aspect at 4

[cursive prairie]

Explosive shot is 300% damage bonus right

So if you draw to say 10% you end up doing 40% damage

[tepid light]

The most straightforward answer here is just practice, practice, practice

You can watch countless videos but you won't actually be any better unless you learn through gameplay

Getting too used to one kind of weapon and then struggling to adapt to a different one is pretty normal

Just gotta work through it

As for Titan's Blood, since you eventually want to have every weapon and aspect maxed and you'll have plenty of Blood to spare, I'd say it doesn't matter too much which ones you upgrade first

[vernal kestrel]

Fair enough. It's not even that I'm used to the bow and rail. I just finished playing h2 and ,while I'm not struggling with this melee issue there, I would use aspect of pan which is just a better aspect of chiron so I just copied that strategy to get my first win. I really don't have like a main yet. I don't prefer the ranged weapons

[tepid light]

That's fair and fine

But regardless of the exact issue, just gotta practice practice

Fortunately because of the experience you already have you probably won't need to spend too much time getting used to bow's gimmick

[whole lichen]

I’m also worse at melee and I think it comes down to dash timing, mainly

As for YouTubers I only watched Haelian which was decent

I could recommend Beowulf cast builds but that wouldn’t really help with forcing you to have better dash timing, it’s just that I think they are fun

[timid mortar]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5lfoxLv56xGnP8CDLfhA7r?si=76Ck9FNSRpC6FAbVr4-S1Q

Any clue where this soundtrack plays in-game?

[indigo badge]

can you send the YouTube link

[timid mortar]

https://youtu.be/6NBl9NXBT3g?si=WAkqFjW3cKaf89Eh

Here you go

[fierce junco]

em4 hades?

[indigo badge]

it says it in the comments bruh 😂

phase 3 hades fight

[timid mortar]

Great. I'm never listening to it then ig

[fierce junco]

No worries

[timid mortar]

And maybe I don't listen to songs on YouTube? That's why I never checked comments?

[indigo badge]

no I'm just pointing it out
if a song is on youtube, you can check the comments. it's a great way of finding the source

[tepid light]

Not yet you aren't

Join us in the cult of em4

[timid mortar]

EM3 Asterius is scary 😦

I can handle that gun-wielder but Asterius scares me

I'm gonna give it a go and will unlock some dialogues xD

[tepid light]

Just keep going and trying

Eventually Asterius will be scared of you

[timid mortar]

I'm trying tk get off my comfort zone so I'm also trying other weapons. I liked Nemesis's aspect. Now I'm trying Zeus's aspect of shield

[raw apex]

Em4+ heightened security=death

[tepid light]

Guess what I play

I can't function without athena dash and sure footing anymore

[timid mortar]

I can't imagine my runs without her dash. Styx would be torturous for me lmao

[tepid light]

athena dash is good, no reason for shame

[raw apex]

Not sure how the pots are traps

[tepid light]

They are

Trust me, I know

[raw apex]

I know but like why

[tepid light]

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, I'm ok with having a boon to avoid taking 150+ damage from a single pot

[timid mortar]

||Now it's even canon that they're Zagreus's favourite boon||

So no shame

[raw apex]

You'd take like 40-50 without heightened security

[timid mortar]

||I'm making a canon choice||

[tepid light]

I'm not turning off heightened security, it's unpleasant but I hate all the other pact modifiers even more at this point lmao

[raw apex]

What do you skip? Routine inspection? Approval process 2?

[tepid light]

My current pact is maxed-out Hard Labor, Jury Summons, Extreme Measures, Calisthenics Program, Benefits Package, Middle Management, and Heightened Security

Along with 1 rank each in Lasting Consequences, Convenience Fee, Forced Overtime, and Tight Deadline

All other modifiers aren't activated at all

Cause I hate them

[fervent radish]

You can yeah, but most would use HS at 50+

Though that’s mostly with em3 pact

[tepid light]

SCOFFS

SCOFFS HARDER

[fervent radish]

I’m just talking about what most people do lol

Taking HS and EM4 is really just to show off below 58

[timid mortar]

Why does Merciful End sounds pretty powerful in Zeus's aspect of Aegis?

[old bluff]

Because it is

It’s the speed build of choice

[timid mortar]

I don't think I understood what you mean

[old bluff]

It is the build that Zeus shield uses for speedruns

[timid mortar]

Oh, I see. I'd try to get that build.

I've been trying to reach sub-15 anyways. Closest I could get was around 17 minutes

[fervent radish]

Feel free to join the speedrunning server if you want tips on faster runs

[signal narwhal]

Why is this game so good, its been so long since i had one more round thing

[fierce junco]

hey, i was thinking, what happens if you dont turn in fish to the head chef after a run? do you keep it? can you stack up a bunch of chaos fish and have a whole flood of darkness come in?

[fervent radish]

you can stack them yeah

you don't earn interest though, so might as well turn them in when you remember

[fierce junco]

[mint coral]

If you stack enough the text goes off screem

[hard viper]

i've kinda lost interest in video games. This happens every once in a while where I'll just lose the urge to play games for 2 or 3 months. It is just kinda unfortunate since when I come back, I'll need to relearn the game

[fierce junco]

🫡

[hard viper]

WOAH, i got offered a poseidon legendary boon in room 1

[jagged hamlet]

Sounds...fishy 🎣

[hard viper]

and chaos has unique dialogue about nyx's shawl. Lots of interesting things this run already

[hard viper]

I've tried a few blade aspects but tbh I found zag aspect the most fun. I am not a huge fan of altering the playstyle of the sword ig

[jagged hamlet]

Nemesis plays exactly like Zagsword

[hard viper]

is there any situation in which strong drink is a good choice? I've found fountain chambers to be unreliable at best

[mint coral]

Dio doesn't have many other takes anyways

Is like 20% gobal min at epic if you get it in tart

(the fountains after biomes also count)

[hard viper]

ohh

i thought it only referred to fountain chambers

[rustic vale]

When your other options are worse

like your options are strong drink, peer pressure and drunken dash when already have a hangover core

etc

It’s on the higher end of dio’s support boons

[fervent radish]

It’s fine

Not pommable which is good

Dio call or vintage are probably his good boons

[cinder trellis]

Alright, beat the boss for the 1st time using the cheesy doom shield strat, now I need to actually work on improving my gameplay

[fierce junco]

good luck boss

[tepid light]

I believe in you

[jagged hamlet]

But do you believe in

[cinder trellis]

I believe in 🦝

[tepid light]

no

[crude bolt]

How do you get companions? Do I just spam nectar/ambrosia on people (assuming I did their favors too)?

[fierce junco]

Gifting ambrosia to specific characters
specific characters: ||(meg, than, dusa, achilles, sisyphus, skelly)||

[hard viper]

ended up instantly ruining a run by picking up a hammer that somehow turned the gun into a melee weapon. I thought it was less ammo but more damage, but I guess it also had that affect

thats really frustrating

it has been a long long while since I last died in tartarus, but that really messed me up

[crude bolt]

ur telling me that DAWG doesnt give me a friend

[fierce junco]

yes

[jagged hamlet]

Dog is friend!

[fervent radish]

spread fire is kinda goated tho

[hard viper]

what makes aspect of guan yu good? So far it seems like normal spear but I have less health, and thats it

for what I heard was the best aspect of any weapon in the game, idk what I'm missing to make it like that

[fierce junco]

charged attack heals

[hard viper]

trying to find a situation where I can manage to pull off a charge attack is challenging enough

[latent moon]

Quick spin (and animation cancels) makes it good and able to clear 64 heat lol

Otherwise the more consistent and easier option is spamming special with charged skewer

[hard viper]

i should shield was the only weapon that could clear 64

[latent moon]

Still really strong tho

[hard viper]

maybe I'll give it another shot once I upgrade it more

[latent moon]

Zeus, eris, and guan Yu can all clear 64

Oh and rama

Zeus is the only one that did it unmodded tho

[fervent radish]

many weapons can yeah

unfortunately sword and fists will probably never do it

[raw apex]

What do you have to do for the last heart for zeus, Artemis, Aphrodite, and demeter? Also what must be done to trigger nyx telling you where to void Achilles' contract?