h1-discussion

[wide hedge]

weird i thought kbm would have rail being able to accurately aim your special

[mint coral]

Most rail runs just want rocket bomb anyways

Or hazard

[wide hedge]

if i don't get triple bombs or rocket my hestia build fails on controller

[mint coral]

Kbm is pretty good for lucifer tho afaik

[wide hedge]

yeah i can see that. i tried lucifer with trippy shot on controller and it was very awkward

ok so far tartarus is manageable on fo2. sisters fight got a bit awkward once the smoke/fog came

but looking at heat 32 options i either force myself to adapt to fo2 or just never bother 32

because i cant deal with hard labor or cp

[mint coral]

Just gotta do more runs at fo2

At some point fo0 will feel wrong

[wide hedge]

lost 2dds against the mini boss fight the one that stomps

think i should practice fo2 without middle management and benefits package 2

[limpid ocean]

My bad I was thinking of family favorite but said Olympian instead idk why

Yeah Olympian isn't good, dark foresight is the single best thing on the whole mirror (outside of SD maybe)

[wide hedge]

hades boss fight aint so bad on fo2 but lost 3 dds in the Styx

satyr projectile just feels impossible to react to

[stiff obsidian]

you can just tank them

they dont do much damage just clear the room quickly

[wide hedge]

By having high health?

[stiff obsidian]

no they would do like 10 dmg max

[wide hedge]

i evaporated with 170 health

[stiff obsidian]

clear the styx rooms faster

[wide hedge]

and had 3 summons i could've used in the styx

[coarse knot]

Have you not tried mistral dash yet

[wide hedge]

mistral dish is?

[mint coral]

Dem's dash

[coarse knot]

Oh wait

[mint coral]

Is pretty bad

[wide hedge]

95% of the time i use tidal or divine

[coarse knot]

Damn I have forgotten

I meant tidal dash

Need to play more h1

[wide hedge]

i had tidal dash + rapture + the wall slam but not pommed enough

[coarse knot]

Speak of dem, try dem attack on zag fists, will make for a nice leisurely run

[wide hedge]

think i just need to play fo2 without middle management and bp

[wide hedge]

had a run on nemesis with dem attack and 20% attack speed was nice

with hammer that makes the 3rd sword hit do 40% crit

[real hound]

i want a dem attack + "max chill shatters" fist run

[coarse knot]

It's fun yeah

[real hound]

hasnt come together for me unfortunately

[coarse knot]

The best thing about fists is you can just keep holding attack and tap dash in bw to keep going with the combo

You literally need to do nothing else

[lavish sorrel]

Untrue for three of the fists, not even considering enemy health breakpoints. Fist special has some general uses on aspects outside of zagfists:
Demeter special is a strong source of damage once charged.
Talos special can be used then quickly cancelled using a dash to apply the magnet effect to the enemy for slightly more damage.
Gilgamesh's maim effect is universal scaling (buffs ALL damage inflicted to the enemy, not just that from Zag) and a surprisingly safe backup option at high heat for nasty rooms, it effectively lets one use it as a replacement doom effect so as to dispose of enemies at a distance in a manner gilga barely manages otherwise.

[real hound]

i got epic frost strike off rip via the keepsake and then did not see another demeter boon for the entire rest of the run LOL

[coarse knot]

Ouch, that sucks

I recently tried an H1 run after a looong time and I kinda forgot I have 2 dashes lmao

[real hound]

STILL WON THO LFG

13 HEAT

my highest

[fierce junco]

how did i get 5 casts? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1169147290112491540/1315772547718971462/downloadfile133.jpg?ex=6758a02d&is=67574ead&hm=c705a137a7891a569a5742e36ab14c2fff484644982b5f06c3d1818e24f6f952&

[real hound]

4 wins/9 fights

[lavish sorrel]

I'd say you modded them in? No other way to get 5 total cast-capacity in the courtyard, only at most 3 with level 2 Infernal Soul in the mirror.

[mint coral]

Nah is a thing with skelly iirc

Or swapping between hera/beo

You can even do it mid run with skelly's summon iirc

[fierce junco]

I have not modded it whatsoever, in the recording the screen bugged out but the audio still works and i can send that too

[fierce junco]

yeah it disappeared when I went back to bedroom but it was really weird because they were fully functioning 5 casts

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233761560653205546/1315780762875727912/image.png?ex=6758a7d3&is=67575653&hm=bb2c4650cf3d21d824bdf578e6505214565c12bdbd619acb6199bcb574cb33bc&

if you lodge the casts into skelly then swap you get 3 more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233761560653205546/1315782039957671996/image.png?ex=6758a904&is=67575784&hm=056986e67794cfd3ca6a6fc23dd4c759d508c9e15fab44d11081fcdd8d09868a&

[fierce junco]

Yep, but I had 5 fully functioning casts

[mint coral]

I also could load them all if I was fast

this screenshot was just funnier

[fierce junco]

It is pretty funny

[wide hedge]

i did fo2 with mm and with one level of cp but i think it has to do with how strong hestia is rather than my skills and adaptation to fo2

[fervent radish]

hestia strong

just gotta push higher then

[wide hedge]

i guess on fo2 i should try to get extra dashes as always preemptively dashing hades is the best way to avoid his atttacks

[wide hedge]

yeah guess for heat 32 i should focus on hestia. i did my first 16h run on it and won first time and it doesn't seem build dependant as much as my other fav weapons

[fervent radish]

yeah

hestia is really ok with a boon or two

[wide hedge]

can just swing it with any percentage god on either special or attack

[fervent radish]

yrp

[wide hedge]

hestia so strong that i cleared hades and heros on cp1 faster than i clear them without cp on other weapons

[tawdry fossil]

is it reasonable to speedrun with eris rail on switch? or is pc just that much better cuz u can aim the special

[fierce junco]

Yes, you can speedrun with eris on switch

[fierce junco]

https://youtu.be/21uKUvFOrdE

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah but this didn't increase your maximum cast capacity. In their screenshot, the cast count says 0/5 and not 0/3

That's what I was pointing out

[wide hedge]

eyo aspect of rama 😳

what is this power

[wide hedge]

didn't expect aspect of rama to be that strong

[fierce junco]

enjoy it

[proper sinew]

whats that red bar

[fervent radish]

health?

[proper sinew]

whats a health

[fierce junco]

https://tenor.com/view/vtpl-okbh-shark-park-gif-5553754415728523236

[proper sinew]

oh come on

[fierce junco]

health is a drink and hades (your dad) drinks it all

[proper sinew]

oh i thought that was my satan meter

[proper sinew]

"She said that she was gay,"

gay as in lesbian.

"Until I slayed."

slaying refferring to intercourse

"And now, she is strictly, dlckly"

[fierce junco]

no thats the red thingys all over the floor

[proper sinew]

as per jermaine cole,

[proper sinew]

mmm then whats the red meter

[fierce junco]

bouldy react this individual

[proper sinew]

• jermaine cole, (Grippy)

we should talk about jerusalem cole in #h2-discussion

[wide hedge]

perfect shot kibda hard getting used to unless i have to treat it like explosive shot and settle for a slightly charged one

[fierce junco]

no explosive shot

just dashstrikes

[wide hedge]

no i meant gameplay wise, explosive shot i dont bother getting a perfect shot

should i do the same with rama?

on fo2 ifs so hard to get a full charge

[latent moon]

explosive rama, never expect to get a perfect shot lmao

on zag bow it's much more doable, even on fo2

but rama dont even try

[wide hedge]

zag's perfect shot is faster than hera and chiron?

[mint coral]

Same speed

[wide hedge]

think i should give chiron more runs given how much i like privileged status

[latent moon]

they're 'the same speed, but zag bow benefits the most from it

on hera, you dont really care about how charged your atk is since most of the time you want to min charge it to spit out casts faster

on chiron, you'd actually wouldn't want explosive shot bc you're only using it for the target

so it makes chiron harder to play

and you wouldn't really care if it was perfect or not

[wide hedge]

aight i see

guess i could learn to time perfect shots while enemies are spawning

[rustic vale]

Once you get perfect shot timing down, zag bow just becomes a rhythm game

[twilit lodge]

Priv status is never worth it

[real hound]

are you less likely to recieve an offering of a boon that would replace another?

[mint coral]

10% for a replace to be offered

and this is after any priority boon iirc

[real hound]

so better to have an empty slot if you want something different?

[mint coral]

yeah

if the core you need is the only empty then is pretty much guaranteed

[real hound]

cool ty

i love learning about how the game decides what to offer and when

[real hound]

define "priority boon"?

[mint coral]

cores mainly

don't have the copypasta on me but basically
if no cores, first boon will only offer them (call is a core but not prioritized)

after, if you have at least an empty core, first slot is a priority boon

tier 2 curses (hunter's mark/static discharge/etc) have a 50% to be prioritized

[raven cradle]

I just completed the main story, how hard is it to get all achievements and is it feasible for an average person to get everything in the game (maxing all relationships, aspects, mirror, etc...)?

[real hound]

i have 66 hours and i've

• gotten all but one steam achievement
• maxed all but one relationship
• maxed my mirror (specifically what i use but i have enough darkness to probably max the rest if i feel like it)
• maxed a good chunk of the aspects

[fervent radish]

Not that hard if you like playing the game

[indigo badge]

not hard at all, just a little grindy, especially if you've kept using the same keepsakes throughout your playtime

[narrow loom]

and if you haven't been gifting enough

[wide hedge]

why is that? with some builds like CoL Priv status is just free extra damage

[lavish sorrel]

1. Essentially (with very rare exceptions) all damage bonuses in hades are additive, you're getting less extra value out of those 40% damage than you think you are compared to the 25% from a regular 4-sized godpool + hermes can give.

• some enemies in tartarus only immediately die in one hit from some moves some aspects have, when having that extra 5% damage first boon gives (called a "breakpoint").
• needing two status effects can make the player shoot themselves in the foot build-wise (especially in high heat where one may have reduced agency over what happens during runs), opting to make a choice that enables pstat as opposed to getting a boon essential to the strategy.
• the damage bonus of pstat only applies to moves AFTER the second effect was applied. This means if you have a status effect, say, weak on the attack and a poseidon dash with razor shoals, hitting the enemy with dash -> attack will not buff any of these two hits, only later ones.

[wide hedge]

on hestia if i dash then press special and attack at the same time does it count as a dash strike?

[wide hedge]

alright this makes a lot of sense thanks. i just happen to have lots of status effect gods in my builds (big ares and aphro and tidal dash fan)

but i can see how it can limit builds trying to shoot for a status effect

[lavish sorrel]

Added one last point for completeness

[lavish sorrel]

Depends on order of those last two inputs, I think. If the special was first, the special during the dash will interrupt the dash animation, causing the attack to be a standing strike; on top of this, if you're too slow on releasing special, the attack-input you made won't go through. If the attack came first, it's a dashstrike followed by a special.

[wide hedge]

i usually reload dash cancel special then shoot and reload again

sliding from special to attack is for some reason easier for me

[lavish sorrel]

Oh, right

[wide hedge]

but last run with hestia i had insane buffs to dash strike and i found that pressing both attack and special same time is easier

[lavish sorrel]

That attack is a standing strike then

[wide hedge]

but i didn't feel i was getting the dash strike bonus

guess i could switch special to R1 and call to triangle

this way don't have to slide

[lavish sorrel]

Put reload to one of the bumpers imo

[wide hedge]

yeah first thing i did.

dash RT reload LB cast LB

[lavish sorrel]

Dash on a trigger

[lavish sorrel]

Not unseen before, but uncommon

[wide hedge]

like around 5% of my awake time was spent playing bayonetta i physically and mentally cannot comprehend not dashing with RT

[lavish sorrel]

Thing is, dashstrikes are easier to do when the attack button and dash button are right next to each other

[wide hedge]

so i could press them together?

[lavish sorrel]

Yes, would be only one press of a thumb to do both at once

[wide hedge]

for me the only time im having trouble dash strike is with the sword especially arthur

but someone here told me i can hold strike and just dash

which was a life saver

[lavish sorrel]

Now, you see, the main issue here is you're playing arthur 😌

[wide hedge]

its my fav melee aspect

[lavish sorrel]

Most braindead sword at high heat, to be fair

50 arthur is, compared to the other swords, a joke

[wide hedge]

arthur good for high heat?

[lavish sorrel]

Super forgiving, yeah

[wide hedge]

with fo2 i found nemesis easier

arthur special so easy to interrupt

[lavish sorrel]

Damage reduction AoE, limited boon-requirement and extra HP makes this one of the easier aspects to do heat with

[lavish sorrel]

L

All about knowing when to use it

[wide hedge]

but on fo2 with arthur i just slapped aphro on attack and dash striked to victory

[wide hedge]

the hammer that increases the aura area is worth taking?

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah that sounds about right. Aphrodite or Athena

[lavish sorrel]

Kinda cope-hammer, but takeable

Makes less traps scary = makes heightened security free

[wide hedge]

oh yeah lernie em2 is free with the aura

[lavish sorrel]

Double Edge isn't the only good arthur high heat hammer: one may also consider Shadow Slash or Cursed Slash. Piercing Wave is a bit of a cope-option but can do things early on I guess.

So yeah, really lenient build-requirement for sword standards.

But arthur outside of high heat is a bit

[wide hedge]

i find it really fun tbh. dash mid attack sequence and lining up the 3rd swing feels so good

[stiff obsidian]

yeah

[stiff obsidian]

ive become so weak

[spark jolt]

how do i do a boonless run

[spark jolt]

like the game REALLY wants me to have boobs

boons

[fierce junco]

Avoid gods, make sure your mirror is maxed, sell them if you get them

[fierce junco]

minibosses are forced boons, don't reroll them

[mint coral]

The typo™ strikes again

[fierce junco]

100% olympian free allows hammers, and chaos boons

[spark jolt]

so it's not possible to actually never get a boon? does the unique dialogue from hades not depend on that

[stiff obsidian]

it is possible to never get a boon

[mint coral]

Just that you don't carry any purgable boon (for the dialogue)

[spark jolt]

gotcha

so chaos boons are a-okay?

[stiff obsidian]

just get lucky with exits and styx

[mint coral]

Yeah

Some gods also have some non purgable boons

[spark jolt]

styx seems like the hard one, should i just try to max out my room rerolls

[mint coral]

Like pos's ocean bounty

[spark jolt]

oh and does || hades call || count as an olympian boon

[spark jolt]

would that negate the run or would that be fine

[stiff obsidian]

[spark jolt]

like is it ok to get ocean's bounty

[mint coral]

Wait is ocean or sunken treasure the one that drops loot on the ground

[spark jolt]

sunken

[stiff obsidian]

[mint coral]

That one is fine to take lol

Bounty is no no

[spark jolt]

ok

is doing boonless also for a prophecy or just for funsies

[mint coral]

Funsies

[spark jolt]

sick

fresh slot boonless sounds funny asf

[mint coral]

Only has dialogue and the win message

[stiff obsidian]

ff boonless ouch

[spark jolt]

tfw hades gets his ass whooped by his newborn child who refuses help from his hated extended family

[wide hedge]

how do you get the Zeus spinner to stay in one place?

[mint coral]

Is a set distance

[wide hedge]

ok doing multiple hestia runs i a row is not friendly on my hand

[final anvil]

I replayed hades after 4 years and i finally understand why people simp for the gods

[final anvil]

[fierce junco]

[wide hedge]

ok 2nd day of fo2

• hades skull throw attack feels the hardest attack to react to
• the bulls rush if there is little distance is unreactable
• the mini boss fight in asphodel with the megagorgon and skull crusher is imo the hardest fight with fo2. only once i didn't lose dd on it

having at least one extra dash is defo is a must. against heros and hades feels like i need to have one preemptive dash around if they are in a striking distance all the time

[frozen imp]

what's fo2?

to dodge the skull throw, you just have to be a bit farther. Don't always close the distance with hades, rather sit back for a second, just to register his next attack and dodge it. And yea, an extra dash is very useful. It's either that one or the "move faster and sturdy" boon that is almost a must pick with Hermes

[fierce junco]

forced overtime, 40% faster

[wide hedge]

still can't tell the tell for the attack

with ranges weapons its not much of an issue

and divine dash is so clutch

but im usually going for tidal dash or Aphrodite dash as of late

still not comfortable clearing the styx without tidal dash

[fervent radish]

Aphro dash not great

[fervent radish]

Consider getting Poseidon cast then

[latent moon]

aphro dash is budget tdash lmao

[latent moon]

iirc it's like a thrust? it's pretty fast on fo2 i think but he readies a spear thrust

he may or may not also make a sound but it's been a while lmao

like a grunt or something

the bull charge yeah that's a bit rough if you're too close, happens

dashing through him could buy you a bit of time

the power couple is also notoriously rough

if you have meg's summon, it helps a lot

other than that you just have to be mindful to not get frozen and keep distance

[raven cradle]

Evvery single player ever cried when they finally killed hades just to see that he has a second phase right?

[rustic vale]

Nope

I mean it’s certainly a shock but crying isn’t an everyone thing

[raven cradle]

I didn't mean to literally cry

[rustic vale]

Devastated? probably a common feeling

but not universal

[forest bear]

Mapping certain menus to the dpad in 2 was genius, I always felt like I was short a button with the gun in 1, but when i tried mapping them to the d pad in 1 it made navigating menus funky 😭

[rustic vale]

Short a button?

Isn’t reload pushing in the right stick

[forest bear]

Yeah but like short a good button cause i didn't like using that one

[placid coral]

when do yall think is the next sale for h1

i missed out on it

[tawdry fossil]

finally got to hades with my fresh file run

beat theseus n the minotaur for the first time cuz i got ME in tartarus somehow but avoiding hades attacks especially the spin

gonna be tough unless i can consistently beat elysium

[narrow loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/VJvOhWXm7i

[proper coral]

I’m currently doing a run and I have 45% dodge chance going into Styx

Any easy ways I can quickly increase it

[frozen imp]

if you're already in styx, i dont see a way to quickly increase it

I'd say that's already reasonably high

[wide hedge]

its not great but i prefer it over other dashes if i dont have weak on my attacks. a lot of my builds are privileged status focused

[wide hedge]

yeah meg summon is clutch in that fight but hard to time

[wide hedge]

i cry everytime because the first phase is way harder than the 2nd

[lavish sorrel]

"Shooting oneself in the foot build-wise"

[indigo badge]

i was mostly impressed by how cool it was and how it made sense. i remember the only thing i could think of when i saw wasn't sadness or shock but: "I've been using death defiances for so long, of course my character's father can use them too!"

[cursive prairie]

I mean I almost did when I bumped it up to Em4 to see a third phase

Imo the bull and the other guy extreme measures is the hardest of all bosses when on high heat
It becomes hard to aim and hit the chariot while he's moving so fast, and the bull...
Hades em4 is just a third phase, if you can get through a phase without breaking a sweat, then third phase is no different

[indigo badge]

unless your build was strong enough to delete him, you would notice he also gets a bunch of new moves

which on my first attempt, caught me off guard multiple times

(enough that used 3 defiances on him and still died)

[stiff obsidian]

lavaed myself after beating lernie

[cursive prairie]

Yes he stops to heal himself sometimes but that just cancels out because it's free damage during that period

Also helped that I picked up a ton of health

I had like 300hp by the time I fought him

I didn't really notice new moves because I was too busy shooting and scooting

[indigo badge]

try him with a melee weapon

should notice all the extra spins and dashes

[cursive prairie]

😂

Bow is easier than those so i’d stick with that

Melee weapons would give me a headache

[indigo badge]

aspect of hera 🔥

try out em out from time to time, just for the sake of variety

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1316396134159220806/jL60PSW.png?ex=675ae4ef&is=6759936f&hm=49fcc31cc714b83ef47cc892017bd71ea2625990d5610017ae4b08b56c54629d&

finally 1k nectar

[cursive prairie]

I found the aspect of having to grind nectar and darkness and all that stuff too grindy

[wide hedge]

heros is the hardest fight without EM imo

it took me around 8+ times to beat heros but i beat hades first try

having to keep track of the bull charging you while you can be hit from a distance is just so hard to get used to

hades imo is just annoying not hard. hades himself is easy to telegraph but him spawning skulls and armored units and using his disappearing ability is so frustrating

[rustic vale]

CoL isn’t a build

PStatus may be “free damage” on CoL but like… +40% to 0 damage is still 0

[cursive prairie]

Whats the worst possible build ever

[rustic vale]

aside from boonless? meme beams

imo

[stiff obsidian]

boonless benefits from shackle

[lavish sorrel]

play level 1 gilgamesh, this gets you a fair bit of the way there already 🗿

[rustic vale]

3 diamonds is so many what

how’d you ever get that many

[cursive prairie]

? Arent those given out on heat

[lavish sorrel]

shackle is joking

[cursive prairie]

I suspected

[stiff obsidian]

i think i traded them all out

along with ambrosia and blood

[rustic vale]

that’s absurd cuz

I’ve been trying to get rid of mine for ages

Ages

All I want is darkness

[stiff obsidian]

all i want for christmas is darkness

[rustic vale]

I swear I get titans blood faster than broker has titan blood -> darkness trades

[stiff obsidian]

how do you get titan blood

[rustic vale]

Fishing

[stiff obsidian]

people do that?

[cursive prairie]

You get titan blood by beating the bosses on heats

[stiff obsidian]

yeah i know

[fierce junco]

its a habit i think, i keep accidentally fishing on my faster runs or hunting for different titles

[proper coral]

Don’t forget to take pierced butterfly and take damage every chamber

[lavish sorrel]

Alternatively equip distant memory. On gilgamesh. A melee aspect. That way one avoids the potential "yeah but just don't play badly"

Or better yet no keepsake at all (meaning one has never equipped a keepsake in the past either)

[wide hedge]

why is it 40% to 0 damage when Aphrodite has the biggest % buff

[lavish sorrel]

Because you're adding that 40% to

1. a source of additive that does like +100% already, which as previously explained provides rapidly diminishing returns

2. A doom-effect that triggers slowly (as opposed to ME) and loses value every proc because that's how CoL works, AKA rapidly diminishing returns

Either way, you'll always get diminishing returns by using pstat

Privileged status has like 2 uses ever, and those uses are niche

[unique gulch]

Hey everyone, do you have a recommanded build for someone who want to try is first 32heat run with the canon?

[stiff obsidian]

what is the canon

[unique gulch]

the adamant rail, sorry i have translate it to litteraly

[stiff obsidian]

its ok

do you like aspect of eris or hestia

[unique gulch]

for now i use the aspect of zagreus, but i am farming to finish my maxing on eris

[lavish sorrel]

eris is pretty simple to understand since most of the time is spent holding down attack. hestia has a really high skill ceiling but is probably the safer option (due to range) when reduced to just simple attack-spam (though you'll lose a lot of dps by doing this simpler cycle)

Pick whatever you like

[stiff obsidian]

max eris and play that, check guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[stiff obsidian]

attack spam works upto 60 heat so its fine

[unique gulch]

okay i will tcheck that thanks

i will get back to you in like 10 game hours xD

[stiff obsidian]

have fun

[wide hedge]

whats the optinal hestia cycle?

[raw herald]

Reload dash dash cast special attack reload dash dash cast attack repeat

[wide hedge]

but doesn't that negate any dash strike bonuses?

[raw herald]

If youre fast enough the attack will still count as a dash strike

By casting, specialling, attacking you cancel all the animations

[wide hedge]

i see. for some reason adding cast to the cycle makes the auto aim miss skelly when doing the special

[raw herald]

Yeah that happens sometimes if you cast special too close to each other

I play modded which guarantees rocket bomb so i dont run into that, you can just cast at the start of the combo instead ig

[wide hedge]

i see. im liking hazard bomb with hestia a lot even tho 99% of the time i dash into it

[raw herald]

Real

[stiff obsidian]

Hazard bomb is good

[wide hedge]

hestia is just too good

[stiff obsidian]

‼️

[wide hedge]

i will eventually develop carpal tunnel thanks to hestia but its worth it

[mint coral]

Is fine just play achilles instead

[tepid light]

has to be attack build achilles though

cast build achilles is for weak gamers

[void vigil]

wrong ive become the strongest Gamer on earth by playing hera

[wide hedge]

sea storm achilles was probably the craziest build i ever had

but if i dont get flurry early on i just switch to a cast build

[rustic vale]

Optimal Hades gamers know a good achilles build is both

[stiff obsidian]

optimal ☝️ 🤓

[rustic vale]

😁

[latent moon]

do it with hestia lmao

gilga wont have a good time if you're trying for your first 32

hestia is by far one of the easiest to do it with

and gilga is by far one of the hardest lmao

there's also a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies that'll help with the rest of the stuff

mirror, pact, build, etc

[rustic vale]

Gilgamesh is certainly one of the weapons you can do 32 heat with

top 24 aspects in game for sure

🫡

[stiff obsidian]

its nice

once you get me it feels better than the other fists

[placid coral]

couldnt send a picture but just got hades (for the 3rd time)

[wide hedge]

go hestia

then do other weapons

jumping to 16 heat with hestia was so easy

you don't even feel cp1 is on outside of bosses and hl1 is less of an issue since you can shoot from safety most of the time and avoid any hits

[latent moon]

or you could just not do cp1 at all lmao

plenty of other easy 1 heat options

[narrow loom]

how to avoid wards with 32h

i mean it's probably very easy thh

tbh

but back then I used to be scared to do anything

[cursive prairie]

Shalaranga is so nice

I’ve gotten the twin shot close range shot double boon twice snd i wonder if its because shalaranga doesnt have a lot if hammer options

[spark jolt]

best aspect in the game?

[raw herald]

Beowulf

[fierce junco]

insane bias but achilles

[spark jolt]

with what boons

[raw herald]

Flood flare (lots of poms) and mirage shot

Charged shot hammer is also very good

[rustic vale]

If you’re looking purely at speed, Beowulf is insane

[narrow loom]

idk why but I do not like beowulf

maybe I was using it wrong

but it's awkard to use imo

[jagged hamlet]

Were you Dash-Striking into the Rush, and did you load casts while charging the Rush? Ideally you would've maybe also gotten Charged Shot

[narrow loom]

don't remember tbh, was a while ago last time I used it

[wide hedge]

like what?

[wide hedge]

https://youtu.be/-LI1QIsV7bg

[wide hedge]

can someone explain to me the optimal hesita cycle and why i wanna go cast > special > attack

[indigo badge]

something something animation cancel

if you do it fast enough the attack will count as a dash attack and cancel your cast + special animation

at least that's what i understood 🤷‍♂️

[wide hedge]

cant you cancel the shot with a cast and the cast i to dash too?

[indigo badge]

i don't know, i never properly played hestia, it's best you wait for someone who does to come online

[raw herald]

Cancel the shot animation with a reload

2 dashes

Cycle repeats

[wide hedge]

i see. i remapped special hoping it would make my cycle smoother but didn't work out well

[fierce junco]

What triggers this Patroclus dialogue? ||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/940361343180091432/1317024028904521758/clip.mp4?ex=675d2db5&is=675bdc35&hm=833ce5fb89890d5ee522bbde38c140f2840cabb58911f55a9ebadcaafcff0a31&||

[latent moon]

Hl, lc, depending on the aspect DC, or you can take some of the 2/3 heat options like bp2 or something

Js maybe

[raw herald]

have you remapped reload?

[hot bloom]

Thanatos my belovedd

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1317188792159043705/NYdIame.mp4?ex=675dc728&is=675c75a8&hm=dfc24595cef468495bda42c589e18b176e04d39a34934102ca0e05974decd1a6&

this is what i do and it works for me

i just ignore the special

[wide hedge]

yeah first thing i did.

[wide hedge]

yeah just sticking to attack is easy

its when i add special and cancel it gets hard

[wide hedge]

tried a run with heightened security routine inspection and approval process and its harder than any 16-22 heat run ihad

[indigo badge]

approval process is tough

[mint coral]

Did the dad pots get you

[wide hedge]

yep

and styx trap did a number

even God mode didn't help

[jagged hamlet]

If Hades 3 doesn't have Dog Mode, I'm gonna riot

[stiff obsidian]

Took me a while to understand

[wide hedge]

my copy of the game is bugged i just can never get merciful end on Gilgamesh

[fierce junco]

need both gods on either attack or special otherwise it will not drop

[jagged hamlet]

Yeah. Definitely check the prereqs in the codex

[wide hedge]

yeah i know its one of my fav builds i just never had it on Gilgamesh

[fierce junco]

It'll come up eventually

Even if you don't get ME they still usually pull through, at least in my experience

[wide hedge]

yeah it wasn't so bad. i had high level doom + doom stack + impending doom so when the maim and doom hit it just deleted health bars

[fierce junco]

😋

[wide hedge]

heros em3 needs adjustment

i got used to using meg summon round start then hit whoever closest

but getting thesus off his chariot with the bull new attacks makes everything way harder

[latent moon]

kill bull first

theseus is more of like a distraction/area denial so kinda just ignore him

his attacks are also easier to dodge in em3, just more annoying typically since he can cover a larger area faster

[wide hedge]

i see. bull huge swings only happen at low health?

[fervent radish]

At the same time, focusing Theseus when possible, usually when stationary, will be more optimal time-wise

Since bull will chase you, it’s an opportunity to damage him as well

[raven cradle]

Just changed 1 titan blood for 200 gemstones, I want to kill myself

[wide hedge]

its oka you will be getting plenty of titan blood eventually

[raven cradle]

But it still feels painful

[fervent radish]

chill, you'll be fine

no need to say that

[jagged hamlet]

I guess you could've quit out of the game if you hadn't yet left the room

Inside the house, saves only happen upon changing rooms

[wide hedge]

I get you i wasted most of titan blood on aspects i dont like

[stiff obsidian]

Same

[worldly python]

oh my gods i finally beat Extreme Measures Hades for the first time

[tepid light]

congrats!

how'd the fight go?

[worldly python]

very stressful but i got super lucky with the +1 death defiance fron Chaos

i used Aspect of Chiron w/Zeus, Artemis, and Demeter

[tepid light]

nicenice

did you have to use all your dd's

[worldly python]

i think i had 3 left when i was done

wait no

1 left

[tepid light]

So fortunately the +1 dd from chaos wasn't necessary, then

[worldly python]

yup

i don't really watch guides since i find the fun in experimenting and finding out stuff on my own, so i'm not great at the game

[real hound]

nice peace of mind though

[tepid light]

that's exactly what you should do, good on you

you'll get a good idea of what's good or not just by experimenting and deciding for yourself "yeah this works" or "no this ain't it"

[stiff obsidian]

there still is a lot of stuff you can learn from other people which you might not stumble across on your own

[tepid light]

ofc but having a foundation of your own impressions and opinions is important

otherwise you're just blandly following a guide

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[lethal dock]

how can i pass my motherf daddy hades?

[lavish sorrel]

1: you might want to go to #h1-for-new-players , you'll get the best advice for your current purposes there.
2: Hades is a tough fight if you don't have a strong build, so learn how to build the weapons / aspects you like, and you'll eventually get a run through.
3: common weapon-picks for a first escape include the shield (because it can block), the bow and the rail (both have range).

[inland vine]

how do you get hermes finale heart unlocked

[mint coral]

Talk to him with the plume keepsake equipped (needs to be rank 3)

[inland vine]

is that his keepsake?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[lethal dock]

it's easier for the next escape if I'm success at the first?

[lavish sorrel]

you'll get more metapogression as you go, so you'll end up clearing easier and easier later on, yes

(for a certain amount of time)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/695178152325939303/1304193802667561063/Screenshot_20230501_191840_Samsung_Notes.jpg?ex=675e9f61&is=675d4de1&hm=ddfecfecbcdbbabd4640e9b3c24ccd579758314eb1561aa0976cdbcbb664319a&=&format=webp&width=720&height=499 difficulty-scaling looks a bit like this

with the numbers being heat-level <=> time spent playing and doing things in the game

[wide hedge]

slowly getting to h32 i did h22 run with hestia

i think i should lock in and just focus on either hestia, hera or Achilles and get done with 32

[lethal dock]

lol I'm feeling like a professional statistic reading for a game now, but thank u anw

[wide hedge]

hestia bros can 32 be done without the most optimal cycle?

[lavish sorrel]

yeah handily

[wide hedge]

i just cant with cast special attack cycle without rocket bomb

im doing it too fast and wasting the special

[lavish sorrel]

(one can do 32 with literally anything tbh)

some alternatives are just far easier than others

[wide hedge]

hestia optimization is for extremely high heat runs?

[lavish sorrel]

no, mainly for speed. but being fast can help in high heat too

in fact, people at the EXTREMELY high-end (like 56+. unmodded WR is 58, modded WR is 60) tend to mostly ignore special in regular rooms since it means slightly less control over zagreus

[wide hedge]

i see. benefits package 2 + em3 made me unable to clear in less than 20m

[lavish sorrel]

well, learning the optimal rotation would help with those time-issues for sure

[wide hedge]

if one has tidal dash thats almost all you need in tartarus no?

[lavish sorrel]

splash dash is decent crowd-control for sure

some people start artemis for attack/dash or aphodite for attack, or shackle to have damage for the entirety of tartarus

[wide hedge]

epic aphro is my go to on hestia

[tepid light]

it's pretty much the choice on hestia

though artemis can also be fun

[wide hedge]

Artemis is lovely but not consistent enough for me

if i can get an epic pressure points and pom it a bit before asphodel the build is amazing

[mint coral]

Pp poms

[wide hedge]

is bad? i like to get it to 5% at least

[stiff obsidian]

They're kind of insignificant

[wide hedge]

📝

[stiff obsidian]

Like if all three options are equally insignificant go pp

[fierce junco]

pps also really fun on me builds same with splitting headache since those crits applies to doom

[fierce junco]

just beat heat 32 on aigis

recorded it too

[tepid light]

pog congrats

[raven cradle]

What is the best way to farm nectar?

[fervent radish]

Kinda just get it as a room reward

[fierce junco]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1169147290112491540/1317948502004858890/Screenshot_20241215-131427_Firefox2.png?ex=67608ab1&is=675f3931&hm=e22c8dc136171ceab6fc244d03d2f71e1a7935058cd081aaae8a32389a1f0f5f& is this just sisyphus' room?

[unreal mason]

no, early on in the first run, health can appear as a room reward in rooms with 3 different options.

[fierce junco]

[prisma stratus]

I don't know how I'm going to farm for the gems for the super end late game rewards. So many gems... Idk how

[lavish sorrel]

the gems are not the issue

is

also, please don't set Unseen One rank as your endgoal. please. for your own sanity.

[lavish sorrel]

Second run too actually since gems get added on run 3 onward, but no-one plays aspho run2 outside of some fftc gamers so it doesn't matter 😌

[rustic vale]

The super late end game rewards are just a darkness grinddd

hellish darkness grind

[noble quail]

how do i make more of Charon's boss fights show up?

or is it random

[jagged hamlet]

Check every mid shop

[noble quail]

ok

[clear lantern]

hey guys, just joined the server to ask this question, but how does the poseidon dash- achilles spear build work? just got poseidon dash as first boon on my achilles spear and wanna try it out but i dont see where the damage is supposed to come from?

[mint coral]

Look for flurry jab hammer, tidal is mostly to help before that
Then for later biomes you wanna go to either of these routes
Find artemis/ares, take arty attack, force ares cast later, hunting blades (pom dash and cast)

Find zeus/athena, zeus attack/athena cast then duo, you wanna find static discharge too (poms between cast/dash/discharge)

Both builds like hyper sprint + rush delivery from hermes

Can't go wrong with +dashes either

Chaos for cast bonuses (and charon wells) is huge too

Artemis you also pick up hunter's mark

[clear lantern]

yea i now understand why tidal dash is good, absurd damage in tartarus. Thanks for the overview! will see how it goes

[mint coral]

Tidal dash can also help with styx if you get breaking wave

[clear lantern]

so many aspects and titan bloods to farm for, and so many builds to try lmao im overwhelmed

[mint coral]

Hunting blades struggles a bit more there (not like difficulty but speed tbf)

[stiff obsidian]

Take your time

The longer you take to explore all of it the more hours you'll get out of hades

[clear lantern]

not the time to take my time

finals in 3 hours, pulling an all nighter to study

wanted to play some hades

bad idea

[stiff obsidian]

[clear lantern]

i got a heroic phalanx shot with the zeus duo, didnt really feel like it does that much damage? it did like 500 with the achilles spear proc (dont have it fully levelled but still)

Is it good because its safe?

It felt safe but slow idk

[short gorge]

wew just escaped with 628 max ❤️

[rustic vale]

Typically speaking it’s a bunch of aoe included w/ the damage

it is big boss damage, I think it’s equivalent to crush shot iirc

but they run off after you cast them compared to crush shot

[tepid light]

good stuff

[umbral thorn]

so i just noticed something and want to confirm that this is actually how it works.

when you start a run, does the game make sure that your first room Boon, regardless of which God's keepsake you take, give you the same 3 options for each God?

cause i kept going back to see if i can just get an Attack boon and all i see is

Epic Special
Rare Cast
Rare Dash

[fierce junco]

no

its always 3 of the cores

[real hound]

it gives you 3/4 of attack special cast dash

afaik

[fierce junco]

yep

[umbral thorn]

it literally gave me these exact options for every God i checked in that exact order every time

[fierce junco]

if you have no cores next time around (like if you get a hammer start), the same thing will happen

[real hound]

did you use the "give up" button to go back to the start

[umbral thorn]

yeah
that's what i'm talking about

[fierce junco]

oh yeah it keeps everything

[umbral thorn]

like i figured the game would generate different starting boons for each God when you start but uh

[real hound]

the seed is the same or something

[umbral thorn]

i guess not

[real hound]

it does on actually-unique runs but "give up" isnt a full reset

[umbral thorn]

no i mean like
i understand getting the same thing when i Give Up and choose the same God

but when i reset the run and switch to Poseidon and have the same options, it raises an eyebrow

[real hound]

the gods all have the same template for core boons

[fierce junco]

yeah its just a loop

[rustic vale]

Whenever you have 0 cores boons the game makes all 3 options core boons

[teal plank]

if I retrieve aspect of Achilles' spear, will Zag be damaged while dashing if something hits him

or is he invincible during the dash

because I wanna get athena special so he can reflect all the stuff while dashing

lmao I had Athena special until I've reached the trial chamber with her and Artemis, the latter offered me an epic special to replace Athenas, then she god mad and once I've beaten the chamber I was offered Athena's special again but it was HEROIC this time

[mint coral]

doing a runs since months, unmodded

barge

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1318617673814380616/image.png?ex=6762f9e8&is=6761a868&hm=24e9e2db475f23590098cdd7db0f5ee75a5fde162e59bea1933716a55640655d& love u too game

[fervent radish]

Explosive fun

Also sheesh that’s a monster of a pc to run at 600

[mint coral]

I love dio's call

[wide hedge]

i wanna love explosive shot but don't like how the bow feels with slower charge

[mint coral]

just don't bother charging it lol

(unless you have the space to do it ofc)

[wide hedge]

yeah i know i should treat it as rama

and it does bonker damage with Hera

but playing the bow and not doing power shots doesn't feel satisfying

[mint coral]

smair does help to free up space for powershots

especially athena call smair

[runic jungle]

Certain runs really be feeling biased for certain god boons.
This time rng is spamming Athena at me and it's getting on my nerves lol.
I have dios overflowing cup equipped but I've gotten Athena more often 😭

It's even more annoying when a specific god boon is in charons shop and is also in the next room

[fierce junco]

charon shops make underworld customs so free

[fierce junco]

if the guaranteed first drop is over it will not guarantee another, but the 20% more for rare is nice

[mint coral]

Remember to fill your god pool too

[rustic vale]

As soon as you have boons from 4 non-Hermes Olympian gods the game stops giving you more from any others

Before that, iirc, it is a 1/8 chance for any god to roll regardless of who’s currently in your god pool

*or 1/7 before you reach the surface or 1/4 if it’s the first run of a fresh file

[runic jungle]

I've actually been wondering for a while now.
If you sell a god boon and it's the only one of that God you have, does it remove them from your god pool?

[wide hedge]

-45% speed means getting bathed in lava huh?

i had mirage shot and +1 cast and i died

[fervent radish]

no

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1318700335224717372/image.png?ex=676346e4&is=6761f564&hm=6dd6e5ac4703c7bfacf3060f99b2875fdcef3caca34cf51bf9cf03429670e0de&

lmfao

oh well this turned into a cshot run

[timid hearth]

I'm a bit bummed out that the water basin in the chambers does not keep track of consecutive escapes 😦

[lavish sorrel]

the endscreen does. and after all, that inbuilt streak-counter is decently irrelevant the moment one unlocks a sufficient amount of permanent upgrades 😌

[edgy pulsar]

Hi all, I can’t complete my skeleton keepsake in my Xbox game. I already selected it several times but nothing happens. On switch worked perfectly. Any idea ?

[lavish sorrel]

just making sure, by "keepsake" you mean the tooth, right? not companion Rib.

[mint coral]

Also wdym with complete

[wide hedge]

im still not over fumbling the mirage shot build

i had mirage shot and all core boons except aphro cast before asphodel 😭

[lavish sorrel]

how (and why) are we expecting to get mirage in tartarus with passion flare start

sheesh

[wide hedge]

tidal dash start. but I got lucky that after starting with tidal dash I got artemis room and ended up artemis attack, zeus special, tidal dash and zeus call

on asphodel took aphro boon to get her cast and a choas room with speed penalty drowned me in lava

i could have had a sea storm + mirage shot with +1 cast build 🥲

[fervent radish]

or you could start poseidon cast

[wide hedge]

i prefer aphro cast on beowulf

[fervent radish]

aphro doesn't need mirage then

[wide hedge]

really?

because with FO2 and HL3 i like having Weak

[mint coral]

just do priv status with snow burst

[wide hedge]

I couldve had the Demeter cast but I was afaird it wasnt good

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1318712441936412693/image.png?ex=6763522a&is=676200aa&hm=ccea118fde0a2c0b1cd202c760707e899b56c6c70f1262c1095b71f39d27b0d9&

[rustic vale]

Dem cast… ain’t the play on beo

[mint coral]

you can see me going for mirage and failing amazingly

[rustic vale]

It isn’t the play normally and beo makes it worse

[wide hedge]

oh ok good i didnt take it

i just took the boon that makes me shoot chill when casting

[rustic vale]

Mirage shot is way less consistent on crush flare, but snow burst is ez extra damage for it

Mirage shot is so much worse w/ crush flare since you need 3 core boons instead of 2, and aphrodite opens a duo with both artemis and poseidon, effectively having your chances of finding mirage shot

[wide hedge]

my issue with poseidon cast on beawulf is the pushback. i guess with charged shot it becomes less of an issue

[rustic vale]

You also have less aoe and more single target damage w/ crush flare than flood flare so snow burst brings more value

[mint coral]

pos flare has barely any knockback

it doesn't even trigger sea storm

[rustic vale]

Flood flare’s knockback is like nothing

[mint coral]

flood flare 🤓

[fervent radish]

just start blade dash

[rustic vale]

I got it right the second time

[runic jungle]

It's actually crazy how op delta chamber + zeus attack feels to me lol.

[timid hearth]

is anyone else playing with MKB, or am I one of the rare weirods? XD

[jagged hamlet]

Lots of people do, including some of the best speedrunners and heat runners

[timid hearth]

cool!

what's the current speedrun record? I am curious about their build

[fervent radish]

4:30

beowulf with flood flare into mirage shot

[timid hearth]

I'm trying to complete my first beowulf run right now, got poseidon special it does a lot of damage!

[fervent radish]

beowulf should use poseidon's cast for the best damage

special builds are kinda niche

[timid hearth]

why poseidon cast?

[old bluff]

Mirage shot duo pre req and Beo already has enough damage lmao

It also goes through walls

[rustic vale]

Base game, modded (reduces rng), or seeded (reduces rng)

[old bluff]

5:04 unmodded, 4:30 modded, 2:19 seeded

Unmodded and modded run the same Beo build

[brisk trail]

man it's been a while

[brisk trail]

anyone remember meg's favor

got a friend in the game recently

[mint coral]

Just keep talking basically

Need to hear convos with her in zag's room

[brisk trail]

aight thanks

[timid hearth]

is second wave actually good?

[mint coral]

Not really

[timid hearth]

Feel like I have an hard time to finish a run if I do not have Athena's dash

[drifting sparrow]

is it ever explained why only certain gods have laurels? I'm trying to find a common reasoning and I was thinking "oh maybe it has to do with death and victory" because Hades and Zag obviously have the fire laurels, but the champions of Elysium have blue laurels as well.

BUT THEN THERE'S HERMES. And he throws a wrench into that theory.

and a lot of other gods have "laurel crown" equivalents, but only the ones I mentioned have crowns of the same style

[fierce junco]

blue is for perm, and yellow is for temporary only

i should still have the png saved

[drifting sparrow]

perm?

[fierce junco]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1309273925905285153/1318805324982915134/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?ex=6763a8ab&is=6762572b&hm=4611868af6933ea6f8000198e4996d251fe90013d7e2f33ac657d6ace2b84e4b&

[drifting sparrow]

oh no I'm talking about the laurels the characters actually wear on their heads

[fierce junco]

mb, permanent, usually blue will show up on loading before it turns gold too

oh

[drifting sparrow]

oh man I can't share pics here

[fierce junco]

i dont see anything mentioned in message history, could just be a design choice

[drifting sparrow]

but at first I was thinking maybe the laurels are for those directly related to Olympians, but the only Olympians who have laurels are Hades and Hermes (I know Hades is Chthonic technically, but he was originally an Olympian)

[fierce junco]

probably someone really proficient in #h1-story-discussion to help you

on the images though, use links and they will embed themselves

[rustic vale]

Imbedded images are the way to go

[rustic vale]

On their sprites

yeah

I get what you mean

[drifting sparrow]

so now I'm thinking maybe it IS something to do with the Underworld? Because Hermes is a messenger and works closely with Charon, so maybe that's why he's got the laurels and the wings

and it'd make sense why the champions of Elysium have them too, they're like lesser crowns of the Underworld

[rustic vale]

Possibly

[drifting sparrow]

in Hades II (just character design spoilers) ||it's only Melinoe who has the same kind of laurels, though Apollo's looks real similar but I'd say his are real leaves as opposed to like... godly magic or something since the other laurel crowns are kinda glowy in appearance||

[latent moon]

that just comes with practice lol
you gotta do runs without athena dash in order to get better at runs without her dash

[fierce junco]

wonder if its easier to get unseen one than it is to have hades finish his parchment work

[teal plank]

Why does Athena hate Artemis so much? She keeps offering replacements for her boons lol

[tepid light]

love their duo boon though

[umbral thorn]

is getting Heroic boons that aren't Attack/Dash/Cast possible?

like normally you get them from another God offering to replace one of those but Eurydice can increase the rarity of two boons in your possession...

so can you get, say, Heroic Greater Reflexes with +4 Dashes or something?

[mint coral]

hermes in specific can only be done through eurydice

other boons can be also done through demeter's rare crop

4 of your cores can reach heroic through swaps (attack/dash/cast/special)

and chaos can't reach heroic

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217355793272275044/1319032001663340718/L5jpGUp.png?ex=67647bc7&is=67632a47&hm=36292352d855314def0f355aa9120c55067e6406fb712bffcd6ee3f76d710ffb&

actualy have empty months this year

im proud of myself

[fervent radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808369939744292866/1319038403915939922/image.png?ex=676481be&is=6763303e&hm=2c3ba7aa944ec88d2218bb1698f378c0cbbb29ee5fe75c02887fecfdf8b2c62c&

🗿

idk what i expected

[stiff obsidian]

academic schedule learnt

👍

[fervent radish]

👍

man it really is visible huh

[stiff obsidian]

lol

honestly sick of this game

thinking of uninstalling and moving on

[fervent radish]

reasonable

you have like 2k hours right

[stiff obsidian]

2.2k now

[fervent radish]

yeah honestly valid

[stiff obsidian]

but being so tantalizingly close to 62 is painful

[fervent radish]

i couldn't see myself playing hades almost 3x over again

have you considered pushing another aspect or just eris

[stiff obsidian]

dont like other aspects

i thought ill do hestia 60 after learning em4 but you rly have to relearn the fight for every aspect

[fervent radish]

yeah that's fair

[stiff obsidian]

could probably do zagrail 55 or 56 if i wanted to

[fervent radish]

def understand this, esp given you've pushed everything to 50

eris speed maybe?

[stiff obsidian]

helnah

[fervent radish]

fair

[stiff obsidian]

satisfiedwith sub7 dont want to open that line of thought again

[fervent radish]

fair

[stiff obsidian]

i just want to play other games but cant move on from hades

[fervent radish]

you don't have to completely move on to play other games tho

[stiff obsidian]

stare at library thinking what to play and end up grinding atttempts

[stiff obsidian]

yeah its a stupid mentality i have

[fervent radish]

yeah

soulsborne?

[stiff obsidian]

whar

[fervent radish]

have you played any soulsborne

[stiff obsidian]

i started dark souls

[lavish sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280885571224604758/1319044653659590726/image.png?ex=67648790&is=67633610&hm=4b20ddceb82c0752f92c4cc7df729e7d569235bb12cfd573dd67f2249a3f22b9& yeah looks about right

[last hamlet]

acorn or tooth

[mint coral]

acorn

[last hamlet]

for extreme measures 4

[mint coral]

I'd still do acorn

just don't get the bad summons

if you fear it can go to waste I'd prob do tooth tho

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1319052916014977095/image.png?ex=67648f41&is=67633dc1&hm=d50c13a7dd1d7d5bbae490fe194c770b397738d1a831becfd8e3156c1b703eae& I'm washed

[old bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1319069229697335356/not_washed_poggers.webp?ex=67649e73&is=67634cf3&hm=f72dc951dbc7ea6eb5759c7bdf1c1ebbcd12dbd0b9a63373503b2329df121967&=&format=webp not washed yay

[lavish sorrel]

started playing this year -> sub5er

wtf

gg edward

[old bluff]

I played on Xbox for like 600 hours lmao, I started in August 2023

I just decided to try my luck with my old computer to see if it could run Hades in March

[lavish sorrel]

oh, right

makes more sense

[fervent radish]

that would be crazy though yeah

[junior helm]

how important is boon rarity?

[fervent radish]

Depends on the boon, but usually not that much

[rustic vale]

Some boons scale really well with rarity and others not so much

A boons functionality often matters more than it’s rarity thou

[stiff obsidian]

🤝

[half dove]

what is the best weapon to use as a new player? i didnt like the bow much

[drifting sparrow]

I think it's different for everyone really. The sword is made to be simple but a lot of people prefer other weapons. I personally do best with the bow

My friend swears by the spear, that one is her favorite

[edgy pulsar]

Yes the tooth

[junior helm]

spear is amazing

[drifting sparrow]

I also love the shield and it's the only one you can block attacks with, but I hear most people don't like the shield so idk if it's easier for beginners

In theory the shield should be more beginner friendly because of the block feature

[indigo badge]

it can actually cause some bad habits though. if you rely too much on blocking, you won't be able to dodge with other weapons

[lavish sorrel]

keep it equipped: the more combats you win with it, the better. max level for keepsakes is level 3.

[rustic vale]

The bow honestly takes a bit of getting used to (there isn’t a best weapon early game, it’s just whatever you enjoy the most atp)

and its very easy for new players to go wrong with it

the game never exactly tells you “hey you need really really want to dash strike with this weapon”

but it makes the bow about 10* better

[rustic vale]

It is easier for beginners, although a fair few come out with the feeling that they cheesed their first win & that it wasn’t as good as a win with another weapon would’ve been

I know this because like 90% of the first victory victory screens here with shield have a message along the lines of “dang I cheesed this run” somewhere nearby

[tepid light]

literally me

i beat hades for the first time after like a 40min fight where i just cowered behind the block and hit him once every minute

though i feel like it's a very easy habit to break because that strat gets so dull so quick

[teal plank]

umm idk where to discuss mods so I wanna know, is there a mod that makes every chamber a Hades (survive for x seconds) chamber? I thought that'd be funny

[fervent radish]

There’s a hades modding server, though I don’t have the link on hand

[teal plank]

I'll find it myself, thanks!

[fervent radish]

People like different aspects based on personal tendencies. I love the shield, other people can’t stand it

[stiff obsidian]

same as speedrun sv liink

pinned in #self-promotion

[ashen pine]

I just beat Hades
Wow
It feels like finally reaching the top of a mountain I worked so hard to climb and it was worth it

[fervent radish]

yep nj

some would say you've just finished the tutorial

[lavish sorrel]

this is just like Celeste, every accomplishment until the very last ones are tutorials for something else 🗿

[fervent radish]

real

[mint coral]

for darkness grinding is prob faster the rta speedrun pact lol

em2 + fo2 + td1 (to disable survivals)

[vivid owl]

today I learned red onions are a thing

[tepid wind]

estrogen could have saved zagreus /hj

[timid hearth]

how do I know when I get a perfect catch?

[jagged hamlet]

The banner will read "Perfect Catch"

[timid hearth]

that means I've never experienced it despited having fished more than 25 fishes...

[jagged hamlet]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish

[timid hearth]

yeah I know, I am just too slow

cause I am old

I am trying the thumb strat now

[jagged hamlet]

You can prime yourself to catch quickly. I'm not a very quick gamer, but using my peripheral vision and "spring loading" my finger helped me get Perfect Catches pretty consistently

[timid hearth]

OMG GOT MYSELF A Projelly FINALLY

[fierce junco]

HELL YEAH!!!!

[timid hearth]

Dusa just got fired and I can't summon! What a pickle

[sand light]

theres perfect catches???

was pretty happy on getting a crustacean LMAO

[timid hearth]

I know right? XD

[mint coral]

Tbh at some point with practice the common catches become the rarest fish lol

[stiff obsidian]

ive never reached that point

[sand light]

yow can someone suggest some chiron builds

except for dio aphrodite build

i know theres a posiedon build but i cant find details

and a demeter build

[fierce junco]

can you still do charged volley & arty special?

damn doesn't go with chiron

[stiff obsidian]

arty aphro dio pos all work for chiron

[tepid light]

i'd also suggest demeter special for chiron

chiron loves those stackable debuffs

[jagged hamlet]

Chiron should've had Piercing on its special by default bluh bluh

[umbral dew]

so i've got a stupid problem i don't know how best to deal with... i like doing fresh saves, and the gradual grind from baby zag to dad killer, but even on hell mode i've gotten too good for the expected pacing

even starting at 100% damage didn't do what i thought it would

maybe i need to just jack up the heat way higher than necessary? i dunno

[tepid light]

pretty much yeah, just bump up the heat

can't expect the same thing to continue to be always fun and engaging if you keep doing it over and over

[umbral dew]

wouldn't be a problem if i was the kind of person who could just play a 100% file forever 🙃

[tepid light]

i mean i guess you could just keep pushing heat on that file

[fervent radish]

game stays fun until 64 heat trust

[umbral dew]

seems legit

[stiff obsidian]

Stops being fun around 56

[tepid light]

and continues being fun at 57

[stiff obsidian]

Ehat

[lavish sorrel]

Game stops being fun after 45 imo imo

[tepid light]

45 mins

[jagged hamlet]

45 years old

[fierce junco]

Game stops being fun when you stop playing

[tepid light]

That's some high praise right there

[obsidian tartan]

I just got my first couple wins and this sentence scares me

how the hell do people manage to finish every level in five minutes with all those debuffs and buffing enemies

[tepid light]

you have to understand that 64 heat is something very very few people actually ever manage to do

most people just stop pushing heat at a certain point because of the exact reasons you just pointed out

[fervent radish]

Usually one tricking one of the few aspects that are capable of it for a while combined with some luck

[tepid light]

This is also related to the 'fun' point from earlier

If you're having fun with the challenge despite the obvious hurdles, then by all means keep going

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[tepid light]

But if you're just torturing yourself and suffering to achieve a video game goal, best to just step away and rethink things

[obsidian tartan]

What is the highest heat that still offers a reward?

[fervent radish]

20, 25 on a hell mode save

[tepid light]

Yeah rewards from heat end pretty early on

After that you're just doing it for heat's sake

[fervent radish]

And yeah, we play the game because it’s fun. Couldn’t see myself pushing heat if I didn’t have fun

[tepid light]

Some people certainly do need to step back and think

But obvs most people know to stop playing when it's not fun

That's what games are for after all

[fervent radish]

@stiff obsidian

[tepid light]

oh damn not the false side slander

[stiff obsidian]

yeah im playing h2

[fervent radish]

Reasonable

[stiff obsidian]

i dont like h2 either

just completion reasons

[fervent radish]

You’re stronger than me

Can’t bring myself to play 2 in the current state

[stiff obsidian]

[fervent radish]

Idk man

I play it a little bit and i go “eugh” and then start a Zeus run

[stiff obsidian]

same

[indigo badge]

why though 🤔

[fervent radish]

hades 2 doesn't feel as responsive to inputs as hades 1

[indigo badge]

gameplay wise it's in a pretty good state by my taste

[fervent radish]

i can't seem to get into it

don't really like any of the weapons either

[indigo badge]

though ||I've only beat chronos twice and haven't tried any high fear runs||

[indigo badge]

they're definitely more complex than h1

specially because of ||omega attacks||

do definitely give it another try at full release

[fervent radish]

i can give it another try whenever i want, i just don't like it

[indigo badge]

anyway, i have once again failed to get my cousin into hades

roguelike games need too much dedication! he says

what counter argument should i use

[fervent radish]

most people beat the game within the first 15-25 hours

not a lot of dedication

and he can quit and resume whenever he wants

[latent moon]

what kinds of games does your cousin like lmao

[indigo badge]

i kid you not

league of legends

and apex legends

[fervent radish]

hades is basically the same viewing angle as league

there's a gun

[latent moon]

lmfao

[indigo badge]

fr 😂

[latent moon]

i guess technically speaking hades is more of a grindy game bc you have to unlock things

otherwise those 3 games all require dedication in the sense that you have to play it to get better lmao

[fervent radish]

part of it is that i'm just not very experienced. only about 50 hours so far, but based on the ||50 fear speedruns I've seen, I don't think it's the kind of gameplay loop i would enjoy||

[indigo badge]

oh by the gods you already have 50 hours 😂

then again, I've only played h1 for 100h at most and i consider it a lot

[fervent radish]

yeah i played when EA opened and got to like ||28 on prepatch momus||

ah yeah, i have like 650 on h1

[indigo badge]

also pretty much all of my playtime on h1 is casual

[latent moon]

apparently i have 47 hours in h2 lmao

[fervent radish]

i have 47 as well lol

[junior helm]

i've 46 in H1

god how do i get that to stop popping up

[indigo badge]

you can't

people kept mistaking the channels so now we're condemned to seeing it over and over

[fervent radish]

ok yeah still don't like it

[unreal mason]

There's a block function too

[unreal mason]

Same, really wanted to like it too.

[fervent radish]

you've done much more than me lol, WRs and tied WRS and such

[unreal mason]

||Doesn't have the same staying power as H1 yet||

[fervent radish]

yeah

[fierce junco]

hell yeah it is 💪

[hard viper]

is the fextralife wiki the main one or does hades have its own official wiki

[fierce junco]

fandom as far as i know

[hard viper]

got one other random question btw. I recently got the owl pendant, but it doesn't seem great. Only guaranteeing 1 instance of an athena boon doesn't seem to help much. Is that really all it does or does it have some hidden bonus?

[fierce junco]

i don't trust fextra life worth a damn for it's faulty lies of p wiki and it looks like it's hades is on par with lies of p quality

[fierce junco]

plus a chance of higher rarity, that guaranteed though is really good

[hard viper]

does the guaranteed really make that much of a difference?

[fierce junco]

yes

pos dash on nem start is so so so good

[hard viper]

Ok. I usually use the cerberus collar but I can usually do meg without too much damage, so I could swap it out after that

[fierce junco]

whatevers safer if you're pre-first escape

[hard viper]

I beat the game about a year ago, but am giving it another go. Haven't managed to win on my new file yet

I remember using the shield when I won last, but I'm using the spear now and like it a lot

[fierce junco]

Hell yeah

[stiff obsidian]

all the boon giving god keepsakes do the same

[hard viper]

Oh. This is the second one I got after hermes and that was different

[stiff obsidian]

hermes and chaos are the exceptoiosn

[obsidian tartan]

That requires so much dedication. There’s well over a hundred playable characters and hundreds of things to buy in the shop mid round for them

[rustic vale]

league is just as dedicated lol

if not more

[solid igloo]

Just random: I just picked this up last night and started playing. Fracking epic, thanks for something so freaking sweet 🎉 huge fan of roguelite genre

Jokes on you I'm on the first game, bot!

[dreamy crown]

How to get boons irl

[stiff obsidian]

Living sacrifice

[tepid light]

Stand outside during a thunderstorm and scream praises to Zeus constantly at the sky for at least 5 hours straight

[rustic vale]

I hear if you cause enough bloodshed Ares will handdeliver a boon to you

[indigo badge]

what would you have to do to get an irl Aphrodite boon 😳

[tepid light]

Simp as hard as you humanly can

[fervent radish]

Just do sex prob

[indigo badge]

dionysus would DEFINITELY ask you to drink and drive for a boon

[jagged hamlet]

Check out our sponsor, Brilliant!

[obsidian tartan]

Demeter’s and Artemis’ would be annoying to get irl

[half dove]

just beat Meg last night for the first time on my 8th run i believe. the satisfaction was so great and then i died right away next room

[fierce junco]

💪

[oblique totem]

that is not really much smh I am already over 140 hours in a month

[worn gale]

Any builds sugestions to kill Hades with the Shield?

[fervent radish]

If you’re planning on turtling, doom on attack and an attack hammer like charged shot is good

If you want to game, start tidal dash and find some flat damage like doom/hangover/zeus and some global scaling and/or +dashes from Hermes

[fierce junco]

for "pom-powered" commendation, is it 12 levels on one boon, or 12 poms taken from doors? i dont think pom blossom counts towards this either

[mint coral]

I'd assume doors?

[real hound]

i’d assume it’s just 12 levels above 1 in total in all your boons?

[inland moth]

im aroace, do i get artemis boons

im also a birdwatcher if that counts for anything

[hard viper]

https://imgur.com/a/LefZnHd I'm so proud of you guys

[obsidian tartan]

is there a reward for a win streak of a certain length? I need w in with the two hidden weapons but don't want to lose my streak if there's an achievement or unlock

[tepid light]

Nope

[unreal mason]

There is, if you get a streak of 666 then a new weapon aspect unlocks which is super fun and cool!

[tepid light]

don't mislead the newbie

[fervent radish]

Yeah posh, be honest and tell him that it’s actually 777

[unreal mason]

I just want to keep the aspect of goreghoul to myself : P

[stiff obsidian]

[rustic vale]

Cmon it’s 748 you’re off your rocker

[fervent radish]

That’s cool, just make sure to let him know about gargalon

[solid igloo]

That's how I feel about your shenanigan

[jagged hamlet]

Zagreus is perfect for playing the stoplight in Red Light, Green Light

[fierce junco]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1169147290112491540/1320279876174872628/Untitled6_20241221234040.png?ex=676905f4&is=6767b474&hm=f97df32d07720e72b88647835f9ece299f3d32a9afe5b3bb4b93a8f2954177db&

[stiff obsidian]

did you just make that?

[fierce junco]

yes

Lernie, hiss if you're going to lose

[stiff obsidian]

hiss

[half dove]

do you guys recommend mastering one weapon rather than switching between them at the start? i find myself switching between sword and spear. my bow skills are not great adn the shield is too cheesy.

[rustic vale]

You can always go focus one weapon specifically, get all it’s bounties, and then use that titan blood to get the good/interesting aspects of another weapon maxed as you start learning that weapon lol

Lets you develop your skills w/ all the weapons while not spreading yourself too thin

[obsidian tartan]

Why isn't Daedalus in the game?

Also, are we given a reason for the upgrades being done by Daedalus and not Hephaestus?

I guess the Daedalus upgrades don't scale with poms and are more modifications than direct upgrades like boons are

[indigo badge]

in greek mythology hephaestus is somewhat of a lesser god, and he isn't as well known by the public due to much less appearances in media

i guess they decided they may as well go for daedalus for the hammers

[tepid light]

They couldn't fit every single important Greek myth figure into the game

And yeah Hephaestus would have also worked but Daedalus is a mythological craftsman in his own right

[mint coral]

They didn't want every reward talking to you or the character didn't have much connection to the story

2nd point is similar to why apollo wasn't added for example

[tepid light]

And obviously one reason in retrospect is that they were saving stuff for Hades 2

[mint coral]

You can search this somewhere in #ask- nvm the channel is hidden

'Why did you include minor deitys like hermys in hedes but not major ones like hera or hafestus'

We wanted a mix of those big iconic names from Greek myth, such as Hades and Athena, and also some less-well-known ones such as Hypnos and Megaera. Part of it is just... the canon myth around some of these characters is so fascinating that it's kind of shocking to me they're not portrayed in media more often. Primordial Chaos is my favorite example of this... the idea that everything sprang from Chaos is like straight out of a heavy metal album cover, and in a story that's ultimately about family, having the great-great grandparent in there made a lot of sense.

The game also is about a specific story, so a character like Demeter has way more of a connection to it inherently than a character like Apollo. Even though Apollo is way better known than Demeter, we opted to include characters that fit the story best. Tisiphone, Alecto, Patroclus, and Demeter were characters we didn't always think would end up in this game but made more and more sense as we moved forward.

Found it

[mint coral]

'Why do we have Deadalus instead of Hephaistos?'

Great, now you made Daedalus cry!! After all those Hammers he's given you!!

In all seriousness -- part of it is that we didn't want all the pick-ups to have the same feel as we were working on the game. We didn't want everything you got at the end of a chamber to talk to you, and we wanted to fit Daedalus into the backstory as the artisan behind many of the intricacies of the Underworld. I personally am a fan of Hephaestus though so I can totally see why you'd want him in the mix! Thanks for the question.

[pliant marten]

ancient greeks have a god for literally anything