h1-discussion

[fervent radish]

@empty cobalt sorry about that

[cursive prairie]

Jeez, all this quibble over a question?

[glass roost]

How do i beat the final boss, to hard

[fervent radish]

real

Depends on the aspect, but longer range weapons and the shield will be safer

having a good build is also important

[glass roost]

Ye

What aspect should i try and get?

[fervent radish]

what weapon do you like

[empty cobalt]

If ur struggling to clear the final boss, try using the shield, take it nice and slow, focus on ur build during the run as much as RNG let's you.

Once u really get comfortable with the moves and patterns of enemies, branch out and try using the spear or 1 of the rnaged weapons

And don't forget to upgrade ur Mirror Talents and maybe edit some of them to help ur playstyle

[fervent radish]

tidal dash is a strong way to start a build because of its damage and aoe

zeus is also strong, especially his boon static discharge

[fervent radish]

nemesis, achilles, hades, zeus, beowulf, hera, demeter, and all of the rails are strong aspects

[unreal mason]

If you have lots of titanblood a fully upgrades Hestia rail works well. Would suggest treating it like a weapon you need to reload after each shot.

[jagged hamlet]

Bolt-action rail

I think Zagbow is easily the simplest of the strong weapons. Just Dash-Strike ad nauseum

[fresh light]

What kind of scooby snacks are in the satyr sack that cerebus loves it so much

[rustic vale]

Ketchup flavoured

[hot bloom]

Hades 1 is still by far one of my favorite games of all time like its so good lol

Shut up sticky bot lol

[opaque fiber]

Go be sticky somewhere else

[rustic vale]

This is literally the best place for sticky to be

He just keeps his message at the bottom of the channel

[opaque fiber]

Well then you and sticky can go be stick some where else

Sticky is stinky

Ok why isn’t it moving hades 2

Hades 1

[cyan bane]

30 attempts, and so far I believe I've escaped 18 times out of the 30, so 12 failed escapes

I haven't done much heat though, but I probably should

But I did do 8 heat

Why do we even need this reminder

Who would mistake this for Hades 2 discussion

[jagged hamlet]

Lots of people, actually. At one point it was once literally every few min

[tepid plover]

As someone who frequents both chats, I mistake them all the time

[rustic vale]

ENOUGH PEOPLE dude

[old bluff]

I’m getting flashbacks

[latent moon]

It's there bc it happened a lot

Rules exists bc people did things in the past lmao

Even if rules are self explanatory they unfortunately still need to exist and be written

[mighty flax]

hope this is the right place to ask but does anyone know if theres an npc in the game thats like a small child with little to no clothes hunched over somewhere(very random i know i just found like a sprite animation and im wondering where it came from or if its unused)

[latent moon]

afaik there's no child npcs in this game lmao

[tepid light]

that's so incredibly specific that i'm wondering exactly what you found

[jagged hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nsza-gif-26558816

[tepid light]

Pack why are you posting irl pics

[rustic vale]

what

Hades doesn’t really have any character animation

aside from zag

it’s very minor things

[jagged hamlet]

It's fun to try to see Meg's little 3D model being all aloof during conversations with Meg

I believe Thanatos and maybe Hypnos's models do little things during conversations too

[whole sparrow]

There are model animations but afaik there's little if any sprite animations

Obviously the bosses' models have animations during the fights, but npc's (like Hades pointing in h1 and ||doing the weird kamehameha|| in h2, Odysseus walking, etc) also have a couple

[indigo badge]

you should spoiler mark what he does in h2

[whole sparrow]

Oh true, sorry

[fierce junco]

#h1-victory-boasting message this ones weird too with the order, wonder why that happens

[mint coral]

Wdym the order?

[fierce junco]

yeah, hestia being second column

[mint coral]

Oh that

Good question

[knotty wraith]

What's the highest win streak yall have gotten

[fierce junco]

I've seen someone have 80 something

Mines 11 though

this guys #h1-victory-boasting message

[knotty wraith]

Dang 84 crazy

I'm going for a decent streak I don't think it should be too hard

[buoyant harbor]

I personally find win streaking boring, as it sorta implies I'm playing the game at a pace and challenge-level that secures a win on every run, which kinda takes the challenge out of the individual run.

It's an endurance test for sure.

[lavish sorrel]

? one of the massive skillsets in hades is being able to beat something no matter the rng. and no-resets and streaking are the two best ways of practicing that

[indigo badge]

after you max out your mirror you can just set 0 heat and win runs back to back

[lavish sorrel]

I'm not just talking about regular 0 heat streaks

there is someone (bablo) who beat every aspect on 40 heat in a row

someone who beat hades on the very first run, 100 times in a row (nitrostarch). and me who's done that 34 times in a row before dying on run 35. there are people who've beaten 50 heat 3 times in a row (mysterra and vaxon come to mind). people have beaten the game in less than 6 minutes thrice in a row (many top speedrunners).

streaks are a true test of consistency, which in the context of a game full of RNG is poof of mastery of the given field one is streaking in

[indigo badge]

you just said streak without mentioning heat

high heat runs back to back are definitely hell

[old bluff]

Didn't Mysterra streak 64 clears?

I stg they did

[lavish sorrel]

yeah I believe they got two 64s in a row iirc

[old bluff]

I thought it was 3

[lavish sorrel]

interesting

[old bluff]

While Mysterra is the edge case anyway

[lavish sorrel]

oh, mysterra got every aspect 50 in a row lmfao

definitely a different breed of human

[old bluff]

Being the goat will do that to you

[jagged hamlet]

Being a weird human-goat hybrid might do it!

[lavish sorrel]

satyr confirmed

[buoyant harbor]

What I'm saying is, the way to play for maximum streak is to not take any risks in favor of speed or heat or other challenges. I find that boring for myself personally.

[lavish sorrel]

I agree with you in the sense that streaking a challenge or speed is what makes streaking interesting

[buoyant harbor]

When I do speed runs with no resets, I will occasionally die in a run because I traded my own health for more speed.

[old bluff]

Honestly, I think streaking can be fun as it can let you see progress in a unique way, such as being able to sacrifice that health to go faster later in the streak that might have cost you a run earlier in the streak

[buoyant harbor]

I guess another reason I don't like streaking is because I don't enjoy games or challenges that are too punishing. If I end my streak once, I would just not have the motivation to start a new one.

[lavish sorrel]

yeah that feels like a more reasonable take, I can get behind that

losing the streak and having to start aaaaaaaaall the way from the start can be excruciating for sure

[buoyant harbor]

That's also why I always play Minecraft with keepInventory=true lmao

[old bluff]

Same lmao

[mint coral]

Keepinventory my beloved

[fervent radish]

50 heat 3 times in a row is nothing modded

[old bluff]

(for top players)

[fervent radish]

Nephis unm 20 ish 50 streak and Mysterra 24/24 50 come to mind as the ridiculous streaks

[lavish sorrel]

yeah was about to say "not everyone is as good as you are at zeus heat"

[fervent radish]

🤔

I just meant compared to the other standing streak records I know of

[indigo badge]

iirc on my first save, i had reached something like a 17 streak. i was scared of dying in a run lest it gets ruined. when i finally did die, i felt more relief than sadness

[fervent radish]

Kinda fun though

[indigo badge]

highest i ever won was 32 just for skellies statue 😂

man i really gotta go back and up my game one day

maybe 40 heat is a good target

[fervent radish]

If you did 32 you can prob do 50

[indigo badge]

which pacts should you keep inactive for a 50 heat run

i remember i just passionately hated the one that put you on a time limit

[fervent radish]

Depends on the aspect

[indigo badge]

and also hades extreme measures

[fervent radish]

That’ll be one that you always keep on

[indigo badge]

i gotta practice his fight then

[indigo badge]

let's say, hypothetically, bow with aspect of chiron

[mint coral]

They meant em4 I think

[indigo badge]

yeah em3 is pretty good, furies are always ez, hydra and champions weren't much harder

it's basically 6 free heat

[fervent radish]

Yeah timer always on sorry

Em4 you can do if you want. Lessens other options but it is one of the fights ever

[indigo badge]

which level though? 9 or 7 or 5 min?

[fervent radish]

5 min

[indigo badge]

I'd die at elysium 💀

every single dude there is a damage sponge

[mint coral]

Chiron issue

[indigo badge]

istg if i can learn to properly play elysium i can even finish a fresh file run

every single fresh file attempt i had ended at the champions fight

[fervent radish]

Also yeah this is a Chiron issue unfortunately

Ngl I haven’t done Chiron 50 yet

Probably the best advice there is on Chiron

[indigo badge]

what's ap2 and dc?

[fierce junco]

approval process and damage control

the blue hearts and less boon choices iirc

[fervent radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808369939744292866/1309977459898450000/IMG_8626.png?ex=67438b14&is=67423994&hm=163779406afa35a28a4390d464682ce8b697966c82577858ff1ca56cd0c9546d&

@indigo badge probably an ok pact?

[indigo badge]

if i can learn em4 it'll be even better

[fervent radish]

Yeah I would recommend em4, it’s a really fun fight

If you do em4, could remove AP2

And maybe HS

[latent moon]

ngl that's quite the stretch

50 heat is a huge pain in the ass compared to 32

40 is still a stretch from 32

[fervent radish]

true, maybe not on chiron atleast

[latent moon]

on like all aspects tbh lmao

unless like your 32 heat was super clean and didn't have a god build

then yeah maybe 50 is doable, 40 would be def possible

[cyan bane]

Isn't it crazy how I've never been offered rush delivery from Hermes

[old bluff]

How many times have you taken Hyper Sprint or Greater Haste?

[cyan bane]

I guess like 6 or 7

[old bluff]

It's only open after taking one of those two boons

[cyan bane]

Oh

[cyan bane]

Still no mirage shot

Dammit it froze again

And I was using Beowulf man

That darnin Satyr done it again

[copper junco]

Do all gods appear equally? I feel like I almost never see ares if I don't force him

[lavish sorrel]

are you aware of the concept of a "god-pool" in this game?

if not, then the term "god-pool" refers to the list of gods (excluding chaos and hermes) you have collected a boon from on the given run. the game will stop naturally offering you new gods once the godpool has reached a size of 4 (though you can still manually add more by forcing additional gods into it). this means that if you have not met a god you need yet, keep a slot or 2 of the godpool empty until next biome to guarantee you aren't forced to extend the godpool (which would make each god indiviually less likely to appear since 1/4 is better odds than 1/5)

[copper junco]

I was not. Thank you for explaining!

[lavish sorrel]

other than that, to answer your question fully, all gods that you have not forced have equal chance of appearing until the godpool is full. at that point the gods not in your pool become unobtainable by natural means.

[copper junco]

Thanks. Is that also true for biome? I also feel like see Hermes a lotttt more come 2nd and 3rd biomes but I haven't exactly kept track to say for sure

[mint coral]

Hermes (and hammers) are different yeah

In short
The game wants to reaaaally make sure you get your 2 hermes and hammers

It basically pushes them down your throat

Later biomes also have less blue laurels overall so is faster for them

And more importantly
The 1st hammer/hermes can be seen since tart
But 2nd hermes only after tartarus (specific circumstance aside) and 2nd hammer from elysium and styx

[latent moon]

1st hermes can only appear in tart from midshop tho, never a room reward

specific circumstance aside as well lmao

[unreal mason]

slight correction from my unsolicited advice, concentrated volley will always be superior to relentless volley. Although relentless is second best for special builds.

[mossy sphinx]

Rama can't get Concentrated Volley, right?

[fierce junco]

Yep

[latent moon]

someone modded in conc volley on rama and it's actually really strong bc the volleys chain off each other due to how fast they are lmao

it's pretty funny

[mint coral]

Wait what

[small cave]

yooo im new

[unreal mason]

hi new, I'm poshboy

[small cave]

to the game dipsit

[tepid light]

calm down

[unreal mason]

I don't mean this as an insult to you and genuinely enjoy chatting with you but in the history of mankind nobody has ever calmed down by being told to "calm down". I would suggest to just ignore it since I'm not offended by being called a dipsit (I'm an aussie who worked retail so I'm used to being called much worse).

[tepid light]

i feel kind of baffled that i'm the one getting a talking-to in this situation

[unreal mason]

Lets just drop it, I didn't mean to offend you or insinuate that you'd done anything morally wrong.

I mainly just don't want this blowing up into drama, if someone's bothering me I'll tell them but thanks for sticking up for me.

[tepid light]

Alright I guess

[void sail]

this had to be an AI conversation because there’s no way

this is the equivalent of spotting a diamond armor zombie villager chicken jockey

[fierce junco]

i would like to thank the hades speedrunning discord and everyone in it for this w #h1-victory-boasting message

[rustic vale]

Swift flourish sounds like it would ho hard

[latent moon]

Idk where to find the clip but I remember seeing it lmao

It was a couple years ago

[rustic vale]

I’ll recreate it

[fervent radish]

On the other hand the guy is 13 so maybe he does need to be told to stfu atleast once for character development

If not for you, for the world 🗿

[indigo badge]

one year younger and we could've just straight up banned him 🗿

[fervent radish]

True

[narrow loom]

he's 13 Lol

could tell by the pfp didn't even need to see the bio

idk what it is but that dog pfp means that are 13 or younger

[tepid plover]

So if I change my pfp does it automatically make me younger?

[opaque fiber]

Bro I just got 1.3k darkness in one run lol

[copper junco]

Do people generally do well with the bow? I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong it just feels like it takes 3 charge shots to take down an enemy that the other weapons can kill in half a second

[mint coral]

do dash strikes and learn the power shot timing

also what attack were you using

hammers also greatly increase your power but that also applies to every weapon lol

[copper junco]

The best run I've had with it was the hammer that made it rapid fire and I didn't have to charge it xD. I'm not sure I've used the dash strike with it at all so I'll try that.

I've been using Artemis with the first bow I figured stacking crit would work well but it has been a struggle

[mint coral]

flurry is often better as a 2nd hammer but that can work

if you are doing arty atk you want mostly chaos boons for attack/dash strike dmg

get passion dash from aphro for their duo boon

and hunters mark to boost the crit even further

the other option is just go aphro attack who has a higher % boost

then arty special opens the duo again

great hammers are twin/triple shot

followed by perfect/point blank/explosive/flurry

[slender apex]

Any tips for bow? I've finished with everything else at least 5 times, but never with bow

Oh, I didn't read the previous posts...

[fierce junco]

lots and lots of practice

[slender apex]

Is it meant to be harder though?

[fierce junco]

nope, just takes time to play optimally, or it doesn't match how you see the game

[slender apex]

It's odd because I actually prefer playing ranged most times

But it just isn't clicking for me

[fierce junco]

You'll have it down in due time

😔

[jagged hamlet]

Dash-Strike https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=67451b22&is=6743c9a2&hm=5b84374a4b4febff0038be9bfac712bd43abd5cdb06396c8b08fc4e7d6866b8e&

[opaque fiber]

Mid

Average damage

[rustic vale]

Never speak again

[rustic vale]

All the weapons r equally viable and meant to be (at least until you get to the extremes of high heat or speedrunning

[fervent radish]

Pretty mid yeah. Rama would do it in 1 shot 😌

[fierce junco]

another shackle w

[fierce junco]

cooked

#h1-victory-boasting message low tolerance is crazy

[rustic vale]

Wdym by that

[fierce junco]

in a good way

because of dio on zeus special

[rustic vale]

Mhm I got it pretty early but no poms for dio was very sad

[fierce junco]

what no eurydice does to someone

[rustic vale]

I literally got Eurydice before that

[fierce junco]

THATS ROUGH

ohhhh, thats how you got heroic aphro

[rustic vale]

I took aphro start hoping for zeus special and ended up w/ dio special

heroic aphro was off of rare crop actually

I never throw away my eury on the current boon rarity upgrade

Unless I have like rush delivery already

Then I just rng manip eury

[formal kelp]

man i need to git gud

[fossil parcel]

what am i supposed to react to with the visual on fishing for a perfect catch? My reaction time is generally 220-240ms and im trying to react to the flash of yet im getting commons, I cant use the audio queue because my headphones are busted and my speaker has latency

the perfect catch is 333ms or lower

according to wiki

is there any way to practice the mechanic?

[whole lichen]

The flash and a quick enough reaction should be enough - check if you have input lag but you should have noticed that if you do

[tepid plover]

I close my eyes and react to the sound

Nvm just read your headphones message

Yeah i can't really rely on visual cue, sound works better for me

[mint coral]

Real bites always take 1-2s and anything past that is a fake

So when I'm too lazy to use headphones I just do that lol

Start counting 1-2 and if it goes past that just relax

And remember that if 3 fakes in a row, the 4th is guaranteed to be the bite

[tepid plover]

Yeah those are the easiest

The problem are the first bite

[buoyant harbor]

It was also incredibly difficult for me at the start, but seriously it gets easier with practice. At this point it's harder for me not to get a perfect catch.

Just keep playing the game and focus while fishing, it'll come to you at some point.

[rustic vale]

Funniest thing is outpacing the ingame dialogues with nyx because I’m progressing thru the story too fast

[fossil parcel]

nope I havent improved on it whatsoever. I have over 100h in the game and most of its achievements already. Its a mechanic I consistently fail because of what feels like poor design on its animation.

I currently have zero legendary fish, and my reaction time has fallen pretty heavily since I was stupidly good at fps games, but it is still within the .33 second window and I have proven that to myself with multiple different reaction time testing tools, the animation is bad and pops late I have no other explanation, I am hitting .229ms on aimbots aim training about 30m ago lol

[tepid plover]

i wouldnt necessarily call it poor design. Youre not gonna be good at everything in life, it seems this task might not be for you

that's why we have god mode for example, some people need it, others dont. that doesnt mean the difficulty of the game is badly designed

[fossil parcel]

all im saying is my reaction time is consistaltly under what it needs to be, I can recat to targets popping and move to them in under this time which is harder to do, the skill for it is there consistently, I have tested with multiple tools. If im hitting the time requirement consistantly in every single benchmarking tool I can use to benchmark the stat being judged for the mechanic and pass in every benchmark tool except one, what does that say about the one tool?

it says its flawed

[tepid plover]

lol sure man, it is flawed

[fossil parcel]

Im just trying to defend my point because you said "no your wrong" then attacked me

you didnt even make a counter point

you just attacked me

[buoyant harbor]

Honestly I kinda agree that the fishing minigame is poorly designed. Its difficulty doesn't match the visual language, and you get very little indication on how narrowly you missed the perfect catch. Hell, I didn't even know there was such a thing as a "perfect catch" for the longest time.

[tepid plover]

I did not attack you, wth. I'm sorry if that's what it sounded like. I even gave the god mode example which was nowhere targeted at you

[buoyant harbor]

But also, if you feel attacked by someone saying "you're not gonna be good at everything in life" that sounds like a you-problem.

[indigo badge]

an easy way to get perfect catches, there can only be 3 fake bites so if you saw 3, just smash the E button when you see something

[tepid plover]

it doesnt always go to the 3rd fake

[indigo badge]

but if it does, then it's a free perfect catch

also humans have a faster reaction to audio rather than image so having a broken headphone is awful

[tepid plover]

I was the other way around, when i checked my codex looking for what i was missing, turns out i was missing most of the common fish

[indigo badge]

i remember missing the chaos legendary for a loooong time because i barely got fishing points in chaos

[buoyant harbor]

Just in case nobody's mentioned it yet: The best visual clue is not the bob! The best visual clue is the white flash over the water.

[fossil parcel]

It was more of I had posted in the previous post I had benchmarked with other tools that I had the skill for the mechanic then he went "ur just bad at the game the game ur wrong" without offering anything else and completely disregarding anything I said

[tepid plover]

Already said twas not my intention and apologized, hopefully you can fix your issue

[fossil parcel]

thats fine i accept thats just how it came off to me it was a misunderstanding

[buoyant harbor]

You can even cover the bob with your finger, and only look over the water. That way, you never get tricked by the bob.

[fossil parcel]

on another note chaos is my favorite character easily

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-gif-19733653

chaos, nyx, than

[brisk trail]

If I use a save editor to make my favor 7 with Ares to skip his prophecy for his favor, would that effect the epilouge triggering at all? I've already slain 21000 things and im not playing a half of what I have just to witness the epilouge

[mint coral]

Shouldn't affect anything

But also make a backup just in case

If ares isn't collaborating can you try to advance other gods in the meanwhile?

That way you don't get too focused and thus bored

[brisk trail]

ive already done like 40 runs just to be able to get their dialouges/quests etc to trigger for their favors over the past 2-3 days im kinda just done putting effort into it 😭

but thank you i will very helpful

[mint coral]

Tho idk what other gods you haven't maxed so maybe is just worse lol

[brisk trail]

i think i messed up the order in which i was supposed to get the dialouges by a lot because i first played the game on nov 8th and i already have 135 hours in the game so i just progressed way too fast

for example skelly only gave me his schelemeus dialouge after i escaped like 15 times lol

or the dialouge beforehand where he says "so your staying" yada yada

[mint coral]

One time I got the first escape convo with achilles after the credits lmfao

[void sail]

got 32 heat, 11 minute clear, all bonds and the plat trophy completed in under 100 hours

not sure if that’s average or good but i’m very proud nonetheless

soon i’m shooting for a sub 7 clear

[rare hedge]

Hello. Does hades have a modding discord or place where one can talk about the .lua scripts?

[old bluff]

It’s pinned in the self promo channel

[fervent radish]

Ok so you know how you can pre aim in an fps game

You can apply the same thing to the fishing game and trivialize it. It’s not about reaction time

Real bobs will always happen at ~2s intervals after the previous fake bob and fakes will always happen about 4s after the previous fake bob. So how I do it is prepare to catch 2s after by assuming I’ll press catch if there’s something after 2 seconds. If it’s not, you get 2s to relax for the next fake bob.

I dare say it’s easy once you learn how it works

[mossy sphinx]

How do you guys get the cool borders at the end of runs? I also see them on the boon screen too.

[mint coral]

Get all work orders from the contractor and they should pop up

[graceful wraith]

Do scuffers have hair or is moss growing on their heads?

[jagged hamlet]

Don't stare at the bob. Keep it in your peripheral vision and only click if you see the flash

If I can consistently land perfect catches, then a FPS pro surely can too

[rustic vale]

It’s way easier to hit perfect catches if it’s any catch but the first tbh

When I’m dialed in I can get them like pretty consistently though

knowing the mechanics of fishing makes it like significantly easier but even before I did u just lock in with reaction speed

Ears are often faster than eyes so I’ll use the audio cues pretty often

[slender apex]

ngl, I did not expect WInter Harvest to work on Hades

[graceful wraith]

I recently found out that it does too, and thought it was kind of funny

[rustic vale]

“REAP WHAT YOU SOW” 🗣️

[slender apex]

It didn't change anything really, but still interesting

[whole lichen]

ALL SHALL SOON DECAY

[rustic vale]

Winter Harvest is almost always a “win more” boon rather than a run winner

[slender apex]

I just got it for the prophecy

[graceful wraith]

I did too but it ended up being kinda funny.

[mossy sphinx]

Ah ok

[mossy sphinx]

Question about the “best aspect”. I’ve seen people say that Zeus shield isn’t the best, but that it checks off all the boxes necessary for 64 heat. Doesn’t that make it the best by default? Confused on what people mean by that.

[fierce junco]

4th aspect with mirage shot

[mossy sphinx]

The question was more about what people mean when they talk about Zeus shield rather than what the best aspect is.

[fierce junco]

Ohh, it's got everything but beowulf just has more potential. Zeus shield is fantastic but it will not be the best, in comparison to beowulf

[raw herald]

64 heat strength isn’t the only metric people use when determining the best aspect

[latent moon]

it's the best/safest for heat higher than like 50/55 lmao
in every other higher level metric, zeus shield is like pretty low lmao
it's pretty terrible for speed and the learning curve on the thing is hella hard

beowulf is the best for speed by a good margin and it's good for heat up until 50/55

it does have a learning curve, but it's not nearly as steep as zeus

also considering that the average player isn't gonna be doing heats higher than 32 (maybe 40) or lower than a sub10

the easier aspects for those categories are generally gonna be the "better" aspects for casual players too

doesnt mean zeus is bad ofc, i just wouldn't call it the best overall aspect

[brisk trail]

Odd question but If I do a 8 heat run despite my best needing 6, will i be able to still get the bounties for heat 6 and 7? I want to get the Skelly prize thingy

[mint coral]

Yeah, for bounties it just gives you the rewards for current lowest

[brisk trail]

Oh, so if I succeed the 8 heat run itll count towards my 6 heat bounties?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

Okay thanks a ton big help

[mint coral]

Then you can repeat twice for bounties 7 and 8

[brisk trail]

Also completely unrelated question but you seem knowledgeable and your online so, for Coronachts hidden aspect, do you think I should go for Repulse Shot (blast wave when attack) or Explosive shot? I have Aphrodite on attack and I plan to go for Dionysus for dash for the 2 status 40% boost, and I have Zeus on special

[unreal mason]

Usually when people say "best" they haven't specified what the weapon/aspect is the "best" at (eg. is it the best for speed? heat? consistency?). Zeus is the best for consistency at 64 heat but that's a very specific circumstance that isn't applicable to 99% of the game.

[brisk trail]

No need to answer anymore, Im impatioent but im going with Explosive just for fun, again thanks for your previous help

[unreal mason]

yeah it really matters what metric we're comparing it to? best at having a fun playthrough? best at killing clowns? best conversation piece at a party?

[fierce junco]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/940361343180091432/1310835688152891392/downloadfile88.jpg?ex=6746aa5e&is=674558de&hm=8437566950938a3a331bc990d100be004b8be6cd65a1cba4c2b82bb5ca2580e5& not proud of cluster bomb + deadly flourish (i still have aphro in pool though) but hoping to clear 32

was hoping for heart rend hazard bomb 😔

[fervent radish]

It’s pretty good for 50 speed

Kinda just needs rooms since it’s very hard to die

[rustic vale]

Well best aspect is typically split up int

into

“For heat” or “for speed”

Just a flat out “best aspect” is a bit more sus

since it’s typically a bit more nuanced then that

The best speed aspects aren’t always the best heat aspects and viceversa

[stiff topaz]

i think the conflation comes from thinking heat is simply a difficulty scale, while it lies more towards the 'challenge run' type of mode. While technically more heat is more difficult there's just a lot more to consider with it than just how much better you can be at the game

[last hamlet]

what is the best cast boon for beowulf/hera

[latent moon]

for hera, it's aphrodite's cast. it normally sucks bc it has no range, but with hera you can extend your range
for beowulf, poseidon's cast. mirage shot is bugged to deal 100% instead of 30% on beowulf, so you want to get artemis on your attack (or wherever to open the duo) and get mirage shot. would recommend running gods' legacy

[tepid light]

Isn't aphro cast great on both

[latent moon]

i mean yeah but pos cast is better

[tepid light]

fair enough

[cursive prairie]

I’ve gotten up to heat 30

Is heat 30 high

Also what’s you guys biggest thanatos scoring margin
Mine is like 43 to 13

[mint coral]

Most people consider high 32

Cuz is the last skelly statue

But also for most (read: the regulars) in this server high is like, 50+ lol

[indigo badge]

i assume the "regulars" of this channel each have +300 hours on the game

[cursive prairie]

Me with 50 hours

[cursive prairie]

So 32 then

[cursive prairie]

You cant really have people that have their own version of whats “high” or what isnt, like the community defined high is 32, so whats stopping the “regular” for assuming high is 60+? Why stop at 50+?

[mint coral]

I mean for some of us 32 isn't high cuz is easy for us

Is not like we go telling "well you actually didn't clear high heat cuz personally 32 is too easy"

[lavish sorrel]

Src and the game consider 32 to be high, therefore 32 is high 😌

[fervent radish]

The frame of reference for what high is changes as we play more. It’s pretty contextual

[rustic vale]

That’s like… idk the minimum maybe

for the regulars

[indigo badge]

i think i have at most 100 hours spread around my accounts and save files

but it was mostly casual
never got too deep into speedrunning or high heat or any challenge run

[fervent radish]

Way more

I have ~650 and I started playing relatively recently

[lavish sorrel]

2500 soon for me 😌

[old bluff]

1.1k is mine

[fervent radish]

It seems like just yesterday you hit 2000

[crystal island]

First time coming back to hades, wanted to knock out some minor prophecies
I took approval process so I could finish the all modifiers one for 12 blood
Biggest mistake
See, I'm playing chiron with Dionysius and Aphrodite
The duo boon was denied not once
Not twice
But 4 different times
Got it the shop before theseus

[fervent radish]

Simply the game sometimes

Hangover Chiron is not a super strong build in the first place, so you might want to play something less needy on ap1

[crystal island]

Fair

But also I needed to complete dark regeneration and it just so happened to have darker thirst so :P

It may have been a little too difficult

(I died at dad fight)

[lavish sorrel]

I play 500 hours a day, didn't you know?

[unreal mason]

30 heat is pretty high, probably only about 10% of players actually get that high so it's pretty impressive.

[unreal mason]

bro playing Hades on multiple devices at once :/

[mossy sphinx]

If my power shot w/ Rama does more damage than the hp amount an enemy has, how does shared suffering work? Is it gonna do 60% of the opponent's health or will it do 60% of how much damage the attack would've done if the enemy tanked it?

[fervent radish]

I don’t actually know how Rama damage calc works and that’s something I wondered as well

[mint coral]

If lernie skip works is prob the latter?

[fervent radish]

True

[bronze holly]

What’s the best Chiron build in ur opinion?

[cursive prairie]

60% of the opponents health

The damage that you did is 100% of the opponents health, so its 60% of that

You dont know how much damage the opponent would have taken if it tanked it, so you cant make calculations based on what you dont know

[jagged hamlet]

But is that how the functions actually work

[fervent radish]

This is not true

You can overkill an enemy and have shared suffering do more damage than 60% of the first enemy’s health

[fervent radish]

Chiron is not very strong in the first place

Artemis or Aphrodite special are probably the strongest builds

[jagged hamlet]

Hope Skone saw the reply about Rama

[fervent radish]

Also you can know how much damage the enemy would have taken

@mossy sphinx

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PQAWPUaUxTw&pp=ygUMUmFtYSA2NCBoZWF0

Watch the chamber 3. Playad does 125 base attack damage to enemies with way less than 125 health remaining multiple tomes

[cursive prairie]

Ah so theres evidence to the contrary

[jagged hamlet]

Where'd you get your premise anyway

[mossy sphinx]

Ah ok thanks a lot!

[mossy sphinx]

Me? I’ve been thinking about it when I’m in Elysium. I was thinking if I applied shared suffering to the ghosts of the warriors and used my attack on them (because they don’t move around as much), then would I be able to do optimal damage to the warriors that are still alive.

[jagged hamlet]

I meant bryanmclee, but thanks! Was a good question on your part

[fervent radish]

Good potentially yeah

But generally you want to try to line up enemies with the shot

Also dash strikes will charge much faster if that’s an issue you’re running into

[mossy sphinx]

Oh I didn’t know that. Thanks

[slender apex]

How do the secret weapons get unlocked? I just got excalibur for seemingly no reason

[mint coral]

5 Blood on weapon and talk to X character

Some need extra dialogue (check: #h1-story-discussion pins for that)

[slender apex]

I spent 5 blood on sword ages ago, who was I supposed to talk to?

Thanks

[mint coral]

Nyx

[mint coral]

Did you unlock the hidden spear recently

[slender apex]

Yeah, is it a domino effect?

[mint coral]

Spear is needed for the other 5

Spear's method is somewhat different cuz it works as an introduction

[slender apex]

I got shield first I think

That a bug?

[mint coral]

To be specific, hidden spear only needs to be revealed to purchase

[slender apex]

Oh, okay

Finally made it to the end with bow

Although really I just cheesed everything with the crystal cast

[rustic vale]

That is not true lol

the game very much does know how much damage your strike would’ve done, because that’s what it had to check against the enemies current hp when it determined if enemy = dead

like

It’s not some mystical calculation that the game code doesn’t have access too

the game does the calculation itself so it’s a weird assumption to make that “yeah the game doesn’t know how much damage your strike would’ve dealt” when at some point that number had to exist to reduce the enemies hp

[copper junco]

Demeter+aphrodite(beam shoots at you)+artemis legendary and auto reload is really funny

Any other good combos like that with cast?

[mossy sphinx]

Does the deflected attack have to hit an enemy for Merciful end to trigger? How does it work with Hades' casts?

[rustic vale]

You don’t have to deflect an attack for it

You just have to hit the enemy with something that would deflect

Divine dash hitting an enemy proks merciful end

Not any projectiles deflected by the divine dash, just the dash’s damage itself

[copper junco]

Does anybody know if this channel and category is for hades 1 or 2

[rustic vale]

that’s why Merciful End builds work at all

[mint coral]

imagine a world where ME and DR traded that wording

[rustic vale]

Ares strike + divine dash lets your dash strikes prok doom and merciful end to immediately drop doom

[rustic vale]

A shocking amount of newcomers don’t

stickybot knows that

[mossy sphinx]

ohhhh ok

[copper junco]

Do all the bows benefit from dash strike buffs? Because only the last one has a dash strike listed on the moveset

[bronze holly]

I know see why stickybot exists

[copper junco]

That was sarcasm

[bronze holly]

Yeah I’m pretty sure

Cuz all bows have a dash strike

[bronze holly]

Oh ok😭

[fervent radish]

Splash fists become meta lol

ME just becomes terrible

[void sail]

whats that

[fervent radish]

Merciful end is a duo boon where touching an enemy with an ability that deflects activates doom effects

[void sail]

oh my god i’m such a brainlet

[fervent radish]

Nw

[void sail]

sorry i haven’t ever used it in a build

also riding off a crazy high rn

[fervent radish]

It goes quite hard, I recommend

[void sail]

#h1-victory-boasting i’m genuinely so confused about this

my 32 run was also first try so i’m not sure what secret sauce i have

• i figured out just how stupid strong the acorn is on high heat

another note: how do i effectively run zeus shield? zeus and beowulf are both the best in game afaik and i’m having a really hard time adapting

since i wanna use both of those and rama for 50+ heat

[fervent radish]

Yea it’s just hestia

Hestia is the sauce

[fervent radish]

Zeus special with explosive return

Static discharge and hangover are good

Hangover ideally on call

[void sail]

i have a grasp on boons primarily but just using the thing confuses me

[fervent radish]

Doom attack is nice. Could add arty somewhere for crits

Ohh yeah

I have a bunch of vids on my channel if you want a reference

[void sail]

i checked earlier

62 heat

wild

[fervent radish]

I recommend either of my 62 heat runs

[fervent radish]

Also, if you’re set on 50+, I would recommend joining the speedrunning server since we have a high heat channel

And you can request vod reviews, which I will gladly do for Zeus

We also have a few Rama experts

[void sail]

OOOOH

where can i find it that sounds enticing

[fervent radish]

https://discord.gg/FYkUgEKx

[void sail]

but what high heat strats is there besides god/god/d/d keepsakes and lc4 + stubborn

[fervent radish]

Hm

So for super high heat, I like Aphrodite special more since your chances of jolted are pretty low with approval process

[void sail]

oh mb dyno

[void sail]

how often are duo boons utilized on high heat

[fervent radish]

Install the modpack for first boon epic and guaranteed cores offered for first boon

Almost never

I mean for Zeus, rod is nice, but you never rely on them

So for aphro special, timing out is a real threat, so you’re basically balancing getting as many poms into your special as possible and getting a safe build

One on end of the spectrum, you ideally avoid everything else and just pump aphro with poms

Not always possible, so sell unimportant boons as much as possible and go for poms over other stuff in the beginning before your boon pool fills up

[fervent radish]

Btw if you really vibe with Zeus, I think 62 is definitely possible

You just have to be comfortable one tricking the weapon for potentially hundreds of hours

[void sail]

i’m playing on a broken playstation controller and my carpet floor is my gaming chair lmfao

[fervent radish]

Rip

Well

[void sail]

and i only have like 89 hours overall rn

like since i first ever started

[fervent radish]

If you’re not able to install mods, using AP as late as possible is your best bet

[void sail]

not sure if that progress is any good though lol

[void sail]

over dc?

[fervent radish]

It’s pretty standard for people who aim for 32 I think

[void sail]

or the extra heart acorn one?

[fervent radish]

Yeah dc is free on Zeus since you have a high hit frequency

That is DC

[void sail]

oh you’re talking zeus exclusively

[fervent radish]

The blue hearts

Yeah

[void sail]

yeah

dc

[fervent radish]

Rama is less ok with DC but it’s still viable

[void sail]

i’m genuinely interested in rama though

[fervent radish]

Obv since 62-64 have been done multiple times

[void sail]

doesn’t special solve a big part of it since it ricochets and fires 2 normally?

[fervent radish]

Yeah that’s the viability

Getting fiery presence boosts off of undamaged opponents is nice though

[void sail]

for high heat what’re the top 5 aspects in game if you had to make a list? i’m curious to see how my personal favorites line up

[void sail]

it always just seemed finicky so i run bs

[fervent radish]

Zeus, guan yu, Rama, eris, hestia

[void sail]

wait wtf

guan yu?

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[void sail]

no shot.

[fervent radish]

Athena attack spin builds

[void sail]

you got any gameplay?

i loathe spear and seeing this will be an eye opener

[fervent radish]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pvH93Mfp450&pp=ygUKR3VhbiB5dSA2NA%3D%3D

No yeah I suck at guan yu(and every other aspect at high heat) so Playad is probably the best resource

[void sail]

i figure hestia would be the second best over zeus?

or eris since dc on 60+

[fervent radish]

So all of those aspects except hestia have cleared 64

[old bluff]

And Hestia has a 62

[fervent radish]

Hestia has done 62 hypermodded(everything except DC) and right now there’s not really any viable way to deal with DC

One idea is tdash start 🤮

Another is Zeus attack start, where you play it like eris to strip damage control and then play like normal

Probably requires jolted

Something I might try once I do the vanilla hestia 60 is 61 with cp1 and ri3

[rustic vale]

All bows have a dash strike yes

The only aspect in the entire game that doesn’t have a dash strike is the Hidden Rail

For bow, the dash-strike is actually like the most important part of its kit

[mossy sphinx]

You know how you can charge up the spear spin and then you can dash as well? Does that count as a dash strike?

[latent moon]

ik from a leardboard standpoint, guan yu and eris being top 5 makes sense, but for like the general high heaters those are probably the riskiest aspects lmao

[latent moon]

nah

that's more of like an animation cancel sorta thing

[void sail]

@fervent radish i just attempted 50 heat and it doesn’t seem too hard

got to lernie and had a bad stroke of luck

is it normal to occasionally die early to some stuff or do i just gotta git gud

[latent moon]

if you mean by "die" to pop SD, then that's very normal lmao

esp if you're new to 50/high heat

dying to lernie is also fairly common

that's the reason why some people take tooth into asphodel

[fervent radish]

Just happens when you’re starting out

^ about the SD popping, but rn I can clear 50 heat modded 95% of the time, so it’s partially a skill/experience thing

I wouldn’t worry about it though. With time you’ll be streaking

[void sail]

i died for real but every time i see i’m below 30 i pop sd in aspho and try to pop it in other biomes where i know i don’t waste much time

in the middle of elysium on 50 heat rn

[rustic vale]

I was so confused about why typing “from” into the discord search bar wasn’t working before remembering that I swapped my discord language to greek

I don’t know greek I just wanted the funny symbols

idk how to use the quick search anymore

[rustic vale]

I was ready to agree with you before I checked my last 40 heat pact, thought about what heat options I would turn on from there to get to 50 and went “ewwwwwww”

[void sail]

3 runs in and i’m mid elysium so i think i’ll be fine

biggest bottleneck seems to be ||superdad||

[rustic vale]

It’s just not fun things to turn on from there

like

That’s my beef

[void sail]

ofc but i want to prove my junk is huge

[rustic vale]

40-> 50 is just a lot of lesser evil

[void sail]

so i gotta scale up

makes me wonder whether 50 heat hades or 5 bc dead cells is harder

[rustic vale]

I need to relearn fo2 before I even shoot at 50 heat

[rustic vale]

5bc dead cells

[void sail]

and honestly i think 5 bc is scarier to me

i alr told you about my dead cells experience right

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[void sail]

i find dead cells harder

but idk

[rustic vale]

I’ll hop on the grind in a bit I just finished my 0 heat bounties on the new save so

best time to shoot for 50 heat

[void sail]

i’m saddened because i didn’t do hell on my first save

so now i have to rerun

[rustic vale]

I don’t even have dark foresight yet 🔫

[void sail]

:(

i forgot about having to unlock the mirror

you made me sad

you and you alone

you reminded me that i have to make a new save to try 64

[rustic vale]

Unlocking mirror then getting greennside

[void sail]

i want to try 64 when i’m 1000 hours or so in

i’m alr midway through 50 with 91 hours lmfao

[rustic vale]

If ur a pc player u could just snoop into those game files and flip the switch I think

…might be a bit harder then that

[void sail]

i play on a broken playstation controller with no headset and my gaming setup is literally sitting on a carpet floor and looking up at my half busted TV

i excrement you not

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1311188356478009405/IMG_5882.jpg?ex=6747f2d0&is=6746a150&hm=9d2d996e92a06c4df53cae1002cddd26abd2cb0d267c0ff7981f1c0d430eba00&

OH WHY DONT YOU LOOK AT THAT

I FIGURED OUT IMAGE POST

[rustic vale]

🫡

My 50 heat pact will not contain super dad if I can help it

[void sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1296653542668636161/1311188736465440778/IMG_5884.jpg?ex=6747f32b&is=6746a1ab&hm=2fc1c9d84dc5632e1194108c3ec29a6bedabd7edd06d12ac1c737178345abb9a&

this is the setup in question

took just now

that floor in front of me is my chair

[rustic vale]

“No headset” as someone who normally doesn’t play with a headsst

[void sail]

i usually like talking so it’s more like being in an isolation chamber

:(

[fierce junco]

theres no way you beat heat 40 like that that is dedicated holy

[void sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1296653542668636161/1311189219045150771/IMG_5885.jpg?ex=6747f39e&is=6746a21e&hm=4d29e848ead3abeb8a37bbd3e1b34f071bf9be13f49ed3afbe1b17f3259fae05&

first try too

[fierce junco]

you are cracked

huge huge kudos

[void sail]

legit just a 16 year old kid with too much time on his hands during thanksgiving break lol

nothing really special about it

[rustic vale]

my 40 heat record is tarnished by me trying to do it initially with intentionally offmeta builds (and having a massive skissue)

[fierce junco]

young blood reflexes 😔

[void sail]

tbh i think i’m just lucky

realistically i think y’all are a lot better

[rustic vale]

Dying lament on Hestia is huge aoe ngl

The styx rooms must’ve been so fast

[void sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1296653542668636161/1311190043011846156/75437524644__A147453D-4E98-4EEE-A30B-DC0E04DDF631.mov?ex=6747f462&is=6746a2e2&hm=046eaf61186282ec97b4419b0550de371be2f29027057db831117ef158de8336&

oh videos do work

yeah i don’t have a lot of time clocked

[fierce junco]

yeah only embeds

WHAT 91 HOURS

[void sail]

legit my only roguelike experience is dead cells for like 600 hours and this for 91

[void sail]

yeah

40 in 91 is pretty good afaik

picked this game up like 3 weeks or a month ago give or take

[fierce junco]

hell yeah it is

honestly keep going with this potential

[void sail]

peep the roller btw too lmao

had to flex that lil thing

[rustic vale]

Rookie numbers ngl

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1308661970219565148/IMG_0285.png?ex=674753af&is=6746022f&hm=e3ef9285ff0db7810b07d8d3c34dc65103fbdaefb2c4e6b8d134b006972701ab&

[void sail]

this guy is THE hades

i started playing half hook claw and it’s worked marvelously

[fierce junco]

one day ill get as good as this

[rustic vale]

It’s possible

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1218635230811000982/IMG_7595.jpg?ex=67476c80&is=67461b00&hm=15dea344c9b06c9071bf909546ba7001c7fe3349c4f8bc863247782d4428314d&

[void sail]

i’m not gonna lie

[fierce junco]

whoa

so psyched to get higher ranks

[void sail]

sometimes i get tense between biomes so i be doing laundry and stuff between rooms

like pausing between rooms and doing laundry or getting a snack

when i tell myself to lock in i do ass

[rustic vale]

I’m only halfway to Unseen One 😔 (darkness-wise)

[void sail]

i gotta remind myself whatever happens be happening and i get in my bag

[void sail]

im sigma warden so im better

[rustic vale]

…

[fierce junco]

dude......

[void sail]

what

i’m THE sigma

[fierce junco]

being so high ranked

you are the sigma

[fierce junco]

reminds me, how many attempts (roughly) does it take to finish?

i just see everyone with 50 wins and unseen one and im assuming thats modded?

[rustic vale]

Speedrun savefile yeah

whoops wrong

[fierce junco]

dw, i know you meant the other one

[rustic vale]

For reference I’m 261 successfull escapes and halfway

[fierce junco]

god

[void sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1256130565003018241/1311191887532527678/IMG_5888.jpg?ex=6747f61a&is=6746a49a&hm=bdc9cb1a3eb4408a48d4f974c81b0854f2ca2567eb975245184965f1cb5f9389&

[rustic vale]

I believe that savefile has 460 attempts?

[void sail]

i also do destiny carries

HE DID ZERO

[rustic vale]

Get out

[void sail]

NO DAMAGE

[rustic vale]

Never speak again

[void sail]

NONE

AGAINST CAIATL

[rustic vale]

Don’t let me see D2

[fierce junco]

h1 discussion at an all time new low

[rustic vale]

How on earth do you do 0 damage

[void sail]

IT WAS AGAINST CAIATL

IN THE ROOM SHES ALWAYS DAMAGEABLE

[rustic vale]

were they literally just shooting thebfloor or smthing

[void sail]

HE DIDNT EVEN ACCIDENTALLY TAG HER

SHE ISNT EVEN IMMUNE

[fierce junco]

attempts?

[rustic vale]

like

successful + unsuccessful escape attempts

[fierce junco]

i just hit 300 yesterday 😔

[void sail]

he died. every single bell. he couldn’t kill bellkeepers. he has the obscenely good trials emblem and apparently didn’t know how to play PvE.

i’m on clear 83 and i have like 140 something attempts

[fierce junco]

bur yeah, ill keep grinding thank you for the reference for halfway

[rustic vale]

You could certainly lower the number of escapes/ time in down a ton by playing darkness farming specific builds on the RTA speedpact

but it gets really boring to just do darkness farming builds

you have to do something else and get unseen one along ghe way

It’s just like the friends u make alonf the way

[void sail]

all you have to do is mirror god keepsakes skelly and eurydice

and you’re set lmfao

besides if you wanna one trick an aspect then it takes 15 blood iirc

[rustic vale]

What

[void sail]

for a new save

[rustic vale]

oh no we were talking ranks lol

[void sail]

OOOOOOOHHHHHH

my bad

[rustic vale]

Tentatively replace skelly with charon but yeahhhhh

[void sail]

does charon keepsake affect pat item duration?

since THAT might actually be goated

[rustic vale]

Nope it just affects well items but that’s good enough

[void sail]

meh.

i’d think skelly would be better since it’s a little extra condom of protection when 2v1ing the heroes, no?

[rustic vale]

Peep the set up

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007142577948086316/1286564428388503593/IMG_9460.jpg?ex=67475b3e&is=674609be&hm=1c0a12cfc5f4235d3ed3631bfed03408745bd14d6f71daa6d8ee7f116020295b&

Hades on the walll

[void sail]

why is that kinda tuff

how much input delay from the projection?

seems like it’d be delayed

[rustic vale]

Not much

Like

It’s hdmi cable sooo

Millisecond or 3?

Maybe

[void sail]

so about the same as mine then

[rustic vale]

unsure

[void sail]

not bad

[rustic vale]

not playing Tekken or anything so it’s good enough

Have had sketchy moments in RoR2

[void sail]

my grandparents flew up north and my brother’s sleeping in their room to comfort the dog so i get the entire room to myself to play games until like 2:00

i’m happy as can be

[rustic vale]

But that’s more me not being able to play fps games on controller than

an issue with the projector

[rustic vale]

As a uni student who got his internal electrical system wired all wrong

[void sail]

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this drink is so peak

swear its the refreshing nectar eurydice be giving you

[rustic vale]

brain: doesn’t sleep till it’s exhausted
body: wakes up as soon as it possibly can if there is light in my room

double threat combo for my sleep schedule

[void sail]

lucky bastard

i sleep as long as possible to my detriment

and there’s been a handful of cases where i had to do my fat waddle to the bathroom because my pisser was gonna explode

it’s not even in my control either :(

[rustic vale]

I can’t sleep in if I’m not exhausted and depleted of evedything

I’ve gone to bed at 6:00am and woken up at 7:30am, just the other day I was exhausted after working on a group project till 3:30am, went to bed at 8:30am and woke up at 11:00am w/ out an alarm like

[void sail]

and i sleep from like 2am to 11am and miss my entire morning

and i look forward the most to morning gameplay and stuff because i can either scream my lungs out playing pvp or play hades and blast music

also an opportunity to get my cleats on and get some reps outside since football season is over

kinda kills the mood when it’s 11am and you feel lethargic since you’re fat and exhausted

[rustic vale]

I’m never well rested 😔

[void sail]

2-6:30 on school days

luckily enough i’m autistic af so that little buff has me feeling great all day

then when i’m alone i completely crash and isolate myself in the room

atp i really think it is those damn games

[rustic vale]

Whenever football season is over that must mean it’s hockey season no or skiing season

Ice climbing season

https://tenor.com/view/mountain-climbing-axe-pick-ice-hook-everest-dangerous-gif-10449382

[void sail]

i’m over 300 dawg i can’t climb

[fervent radish]

What a gamer

[void sail]

don’t get me wrong i’m sneaky quick running a 5.7 (looked at image and rechecked :( ) 40 yard at 300+ but hell naw i’m not doing no climbing

[rustic vale]

As someone who weighs 120 I have the opposite problem ✊😔

No tackle sports all climbing

[void sail]

brother

[fervent radish]

120

[rustic vale]

I’m smthing like 20lbs underweight last I checked but I literally just can’t gain

[void sail]

football is beautiful since you can take somebody built like me (bouldy) and somebody built like you (cinnamon stick off the applejack commercials), put us on a team, condition us and have us lift and get us playing

[fervent radish]

Nah can’t lie I’m 145, I’d die in a tackle

[void sail]

and if we work on technique we’d still do solid

[void sail]

trust me padding is your best friend and you get very quickly accustomed

• it seems like you guys would prob play receivers or corners so you ain’t getting tackled unless you get a pick

[rustic vale]

Oh

devastating hammer

I have triple bomb on zag rail and now have to choose between spreadfire and rocket bomb

[void sail]

scratch safeties

i’m dumb

[void sail]

rocket silly goose

[rustic vale]

Spreadfire is the national hammer of zag rail

[void sail]

allahu ackbar

[void sail]

okay but read comment above

artemis special + clean kill gg ez

[rustic vale]

Clean kill…

[void sail]

what abt it

[rustic vale]

I love doing like *1.1 as much critical damage

Clean kill is such a nothing boon

[void sail]

i thought it did a lot

[rustic vale]

(Base damage * additive damage) * (300% +30% from clean kill)

Is

a 1.1 times multi

[void sail]

oh..

that makes me sad

[rustic vale]

There are some really good artemis boons for crit

Clean kill just ain’t one

Hunters Mark my beloved

[void sail]

i really forgot about peak

wtf

[jagged hamlet]

Dang young people and their young people reflexes

[fervent radish]

Interesting

[void sail]

@fervent radish how do i beat the timer man

part of me is thinking of running splash dash and going hyper aggro

if i die i die type shi

[formal kelp]

so close... shouldn't have jumped straight from 6 heat em3 to 10 heat em4

least i got the soundtrack though

[void sail]

why would you jump to em4

just fun or is there a reason?

no disrespect just curious

[formal kelp]

normal hades boss fight ez pz

[void sail]

ohhh difficulty

[formal kelp]

but then i got bad rng LOL

[void sail]

yeah superdad is annoying

i’m running 50 heat after getting 40 first try first time tonight

[formal kelp]

i got aphro call and poseidon dash D: it was over from the beginning

[void sail]

and i died on timer because superdad heals :/

[void sail]

splash dash is amazing whaaat

[formal kelp]

nah i crutch athena dash like i op crutch in valo dude

[void sail]

trust me dude athena is in contention for #1 but splash dash viability skyrockets when you have a pissload of the skulls or bombers

[formal kelp]

yeah wasn't struggling at all until superdad

frfr

[void sail]

btw 5 minute timer + double traits + health increase is a terrible combo

[formal kelp]

rats were ez though

[void sail]

what wep?

and aspect

[formal kelp]

lucifer

[void sail]

whoa

we have a gamer

[formal kelp]

is that overused or

[void sail]

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this is kinda cancer with the timer

[formal kelp]

oh jeez

[void sail]

it’s easy enough otherwise

but the timer is aids

[formal kelp]

im a triple bomb addict myself

[fervent radish]

I mean

Zeus

[formal kelp]

zeus atk?

didn't get lucky this time

[fervent radish]

Nah Zeus shield

[formal kelp]

shield revenge? cuz otherwise idk what you're referring

[void sail]

with carbine

[void sail]

aspect of zeus shield

[formal kelp]

ah

[void sail]

i’m a hestia rama gamer

[formal kelp]

I love shield of chaos

[fervent radish]

Yeah that’s fair

[void sail]

say that again and you’re done for

[fervent radish]

Arty start Rama should be decent for 50

[formal kelp]

free 45 second survival what can i say 🤷

[void sail]

i haven’t even maxed rama out yet

but i still love it

i’m doing unmodded unseeded gilgamesh 64 tmr

[formal kelp]

I maxed out lucifer and i died man

[void sail]

just watch

[void sail]

i heard

2 and 4 minutes ago respectively

[formal kelp]

lmao okay

[void sail]

im jp

i used to be a chiron gamer

[formal kelp]

without context this sounds like a stream of nonsense haha

[void sail]

then i started realizing how meh it is

[void sail]

i realized that midway thru typing LMAO

[formal kelp]

isn't it just autoaim

[void sail]

almost had a stroke and had to recalibrate

[void sail]

special auto tracks

[formal kelp]

yeah

[void sail]

it’s just meh

[formal kelp]

better off with arty attack arrow imo

[void sail]

i love it but it’s realistically meh

rama and hera better

[formal kelp]

i need to unlock rama

pain

[void sail]

rama >= hera >> chiron > zag

[formal kelp]

missing beowulf and rama

[void sail]

zeus >= beowulf >>> chaos > zag

[formal kelp]

fine i GUESS i'll unlock zeus

[void sail]

nemesis > arthur > poseidon (idk zag)

[formal kelp]

beowulf can wait

[formal kelp]

isn't there a tech w pos?

like

[void sail]

eris = hestia > zag >= luci

[formal kelp]

with that cast remove damage maxed

[void sail]

still mediocre afaik

[formal kelp]

and special damage

[void sail]

never heard of people using pos

[formal kelp]

w bout spear

[void sail]

guan yu >> achilles > hades (no clue abt zag)

[fervent radish]

Zag above Chiron

[fervent radish]

Zag above chaos

[void sail]

oh fr?

[formal kelp]

crit vs autoseek* ? interesting take

[void sail]

not used to zag so i preemptively assume others are better

[formal kelp]

i fw it

[fervent radish]

Zag kinda tied with Poseidon and Arthur at bottom

[void sail]

he’s an amazing player

[fervent radish]

No Chiron sucks big

[formal kelp]

yeah afaik everyone here's better than me

[void sail]

except yours truly

:,)

[fervent radish]

Crit is super nice

[formal kelp]

i died no heat to hades on arthur...

[fervent radish]

Animation is way too long

[void sail]

what other weapon am i missing

i got rail bow shield sword and spear

[fervent radish]

Chaos is played like a bad Zagshield, and the +15 base damage is pretty nice

[formal kelp]

bow special animation takes so long i agree though i haven't played zag aspect for any weapon in ages

[fervent radish]

Mostly noticeable at heat

Zagbow is better when you learn how to do an animation cancel

[fervent radish]

Fists

[void sail]

oh my god im dumb

[formal kelp]

what the hell

[fervent radish]

Dem>zag=talos>gilga

[formal kelp]

brain hurts im sorry

[void sail]

demeter > zag >= talos > gilg

right?

[void sail]

omg i was right

HUUGE

[fervent radish]

Yeah lol

[void sail]

i was right on rail right

eris = hestia > zag > luci

[fervent radish]

Luci>zag

[void sail]

oh..?

[fervent radish]

Well

I think they’re tied for heat

Luci is more fun to me, I haven’t really played spreadfire zagrail

[void sail]

i always saw more zag potential

[fervent radish]

The ammo doesn’t really matter

And 100 base damage special is huge, esp with arty

[formal kelp]

lucifer has pulse damage and auto explosion on fourth so i fw it hard

hide chuck a few hide again chuck a few more

[fervent radish]

Pulse is not super useful

Ideally you get triple bomb and use it as a nuke

[formal kelp]

def but its some miniscule dmg when super dad is lasering and im behind cover

i think a made a mistake with my em4 in that i shoudlve gone athena boon instead of dionysus first

locked me in w/aphro

[fervent radish]

Ig

Em4 is just a very hard fight in general, esp for a non shield

[formal kelp]

is it worth to lob dio casts or should i try smth else

[fervent radish]

What weapon

Luci still?

[formal kelp]

luci again

yeah

[fervent radish]

Hm

During lasers or in general

[formal kelp]

general

[fervent radish]

Luck’s strength will be in Zeus attack+jolted and tidal dash

For em4, I would keep at range and try to apply jolted as much as possible while clearing pots

[formal kelp]

yeah i used luci for em3 that sh was goated def going for that

[fervent radish]

Arty special is the best for luci, so try to get that

[formal kelp]

funny you should say that because i accidenttally tidal dashed into a pot and lost

[fervent radish]

Happens

Pots are deadly

[formal kelp]

which is that

[fervent radish]

Artemis

Deadly flourish

[formal kelp]

oh

wonder what i was running on my special that time

[fervent radish]

I mean anything can technically work, arty is just the best by far

Aphro and Poseidon also good

[formal kelp]

oh dear

yeah i see where i lost MASSIVE dps

NO SPECIALS AT ALL gg cooked

[rustic vale]

It’s over for you

[formal kelp]

honestly surprised i got that far tbh

[cursive prairie]

Rama is so good ngl
Artemis crit+ triple shot+explosive shot= peak

Imagine twin shot and explosive shot

🔥

[lavish sorrel]

explosive rama sucks, actually

much of rama's scaling comes from 1: special (says unaffected by explosive :] ) and powershots (explosive makes these harder to fit into combat :[ ).

[indigo badge]

i never enjoyed playing with the railgun

the play style always seems very passive

is there any build that can make it more fun to play?

[lavish sorrel]

no-one's stopping you from playing rocket bomb eris (or spread-fire zagrail), and diving face first into the enemy (for eris to keep the special buff up, and for zagrail because spead fire makes your range shorter). in general, the closer-range you play in this game, the more damage you deal (but the more damage you are also susceptible to taking if you're not good enough to play as aggro as you want, speedy play can therefore partly translate into better climbing heats)

and before you ask, yes, both of those are part of the meta for those aspects

[mint coral]

Tidal dash makes sure you are on the enemy's face 24/7

[mossy sphinx]

Rush Delivery is a global damage buff right?

[mint coral]

Yes

[proper sinew]

what do yall think hades’ cup size is

[buoyant harbor]

Probably a Venti. He likes it big, but wants people to think he's not showing off going for a Trenta.

I'm sure that's the kind of cup you meant ;P

[fervent radish]

GG

[void sail]

NN

[fervent radish]

HH can be alternate canon

[void sail]

pause

HH is crazy

[slender apex]

I'm liking Excalibur

[void atlas]

ZZ 🙏🏿

[reef axle]

if ive already beaten chairon the next borrow does it start that crazy fight again?

[fervent radish]

Yes

[reef axle]

nice