h1-discussion

[boreal gale]

Is a 24 minute clear decent for my first full run after like a year or two? (Talos gauntlets with the Ares and Athena Duo)

[weak eagle]

divine dash mentioned

[lofty loom]

Im very close to platinum on bades and there are still builds en difficulty modifiers i havent tried yet, kinda sums up the amount of content hades has

Personally love the story/lore aswell which is surprisingly long

[rustic vale]

Tbf though plat on Hades is like

[jagged hamlet]

Hades makes dying fun and productive!

[rustic vale]

You finished the tutorial when you hit plat on Hades

Mix of extensive great story and stellar gameplay that you can just keep pushing farther and farther

[lofty loom]

this took me 90 hrs lol pretty long tutorial

sure i didnt focus on the challenges for a while but still haha

[rustic vale]

Well it’s either that or completing all the bounties for each weapon and I’m currently undecided

[lofty loom]

which bounties?

[rustic vale]

Heat bounties

[latent moon]

since when was plat the tutorial

tutorial is like

credits

[rustic vale]

Since I decided it was

[boreal gale]

can someone who knows a single thing about this game (I am a clueless neanderthal) tell me if I'm doing good or is this like standard Hades stuff

[lofty loom]

u can do both heat and prophecies

[rustic vale]

I have no clue how good you were before hand so like

It’s hard to gauge if you’re doing horrid

[boreal gale]

Iirc like sub 18m (with maxed stuff, mind you)

[rustic vale]

24 minute clear is pretty mid for someone who’s regularly playing Hades but

[lofty loom]

a 24 min clear is average id say for new players

[rustic vale]

Like if you’re looking for a goal to get back to I think like an avg clear time of 14–18m is a decent Hades player

[lofty loom]

yeah thats about right i think

[rustic vale]

12-15 range is still like pretty doable without really putting effort into learning speed techniques if you’ve got strong building skills and good mechanics

[lofty loom]

my fastest is 13:30 rn but that was with fist and max extreme measures

[rustic vale]

ofc once you start scaling up heat you’re looking to always be sub20

but the actual time itself is harder to gauge itself when your heat’s going up in the 32’s and 40’s and 50’s

[rustic vale]

em4 is like… anti speed

em2 = pro speed, em4 = 🫡

[lofty loom]

haha but its the most fun imo

[latent moon]

just do em4 speed

you can still sub6 with em4

[rustic vale]

real

I could do sub-2 with em4

[lavish sorrel]

Just be good enough to be able to sub5:30 normally

[lofty loom]

whats the wc on any%

[rustic vale]

wdym any%

[latent moon]

what's wc lmao

[lavish sorrel]

Anyheat WR I assume

[lofty loom]

yeah no rules

[rustic vale]

anyheat depends on the category still

[latent moon]

wr for unmodded anyheat is 5:04

[lofty loom]

world record

[rustic vale]

If it’s like unmodded any-

[latent moon]

modded anyheat is 4:30

[latent moon]

wouldn't it be wr not wc

[rustic vale]

Seeded modded

[lavish sorrel]

Brb gonna check the seeded leaderboard

[latent moon]

oh isn't seeded like

[lofty loom]

not in my vocab

[latent moon]

2:27 or something lmao

[lavish sorrel]

yep something along those lines LMAO

[rustic vale]

yeah

[boreal gale]

H o w

[latent moon]

hell yeah

[old bluff]

Modded seeded is a 5:18

[rustic vale]

Just be faster

The 2:27 is hyperrouted

not the same as seeded

[latent moon]

no it's seeded

like

[old bluff]

2:27 is unmodded seeded

[boreal gale]

IT TAKES ME THAT LONG TO REACH MEG

[rustic vale]

what

[latent moon]

leaderboard legal

[lavish sorrel]

Modpack unoptimal confirmed

[boreal gale]

ohhh makes sense

[rustic vale]

it’s leaderboard legal? That’s crazy

[latent moon]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/runs/zxqe3wkm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B06cvgdqK10

[rustic vale]

Watching this rn

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah seeded is its own cat for a reason

[latent moon]

a lot of practice and a little bit of good rng lmao

[rustic vale]

Sees 2:27wr

opens up video

22minute rta

🫡

[latent moon]

real

[lavish sorrel]

> igt wr
> look inside
> rta sucks

[rustic vale]

could they like splice out all the boon picking and pausing please

[latent moon]

never

[rustic vale]

The only time I want the gameplay to stop is codex tech 🙏

[latent moon]

oh real

[lofty loom]

this is wild

[latent moon]

we love codex tech here

[rustic vale]

At least if I’m watching FF the video length is on the box

[latent moon]

just watch rta runs'

easy

[lavish sorrel]

Didn't someone make a "hades seeded but only when the timer is running"-like video at some point LMAO
I remember watching one

[fervent radish]

Yeah it’s a pretty funny vid

[latent moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMEOXsz1YQo

[latent moon]

i've never seen that one

[old bluff]

Latt did

[lavish sorrel]

Also a clip by kenorah somewhere

[lavish sorrel]

https://youtu.be/2dZ_vpIzxl4

[dim musk]

me remembering i have yet to beat 32 heat

FU-

sad times

atleast we got sticky over here

[ivory geode]

i found this costume design for zagreus from a stage play from the 80s and i kinda wanna draw our zagreus in it

https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1220939/costume-design-daniels-phil-r/

[lofty loom]

can faited autority be used to almost guarantee patroclus? i just need to talk with him once for platinum but havent had his room for the past 5 runs

[bronze holly]

I thought it was that fated authority couldn’t get you npc Rooms

Not sure tho

[rustic vale]

They’re different

[mint coral]

Can't reroll into npc

[rustic vale]

You can’t reroll npc’s, what would they even change into?

[lofty loom]

thought maybe boons or hammer if u havent had one yet

[rustic vale]

They’re not gold laurels or blue laurels, and rooms only roll into others of the same laurel

npc’s, shops, bosses, you can’t reroll them or reroll into them

[bronze holly]

What’s a laurel

[rustic vale]

the leaves on the orb around the room reward

[bronze holly]

Ohhh ok

[jagged hamlet]

https://banner2.cleanpng.com/20190604/tua/kisspng-laurel-wreath-bay-laurel-vector-graphics-crown-ima-1713889198289.webp

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?ex=672cad4a&is=672b5bca&hm=c7ed427999cf4244cb889819d2f595b070254871010a6a0100c6b8a3d2fd38ca&

[lofty loom]

is there some sort of rule about not getting patroclus if u chose sysiphus or something like that to keep in mind?

[jagged hamlet]

Nay

[lofty loom]

great

[jagged hamlet]

Maybe even nyaaa

[mint coral]

There's even a clear title for getting all 3 npcs in a run

[bronze holly]

Wait why have u never seen blue laurels

I seen the gold ones

But never noticed any blue

[mint coral]

Dark foresight pretty much removed them lmfao

You swap the 50:50 ratio between gold/blue to 70:30 in gold's favor (assuming max DF)

[bronze holly]

Makes sense

[mint coral]

Also later biomes have less blue laurels in general

[rustic vale]

Tbh the blue’s just not as noticable

and you probably didn’t associate the colour of the laurel with the contents of the room reward

[lofty loom]

can u only have 1 special hammer on rail?

triple hazard bomb sounds so fun

[whole lichen]

No you can add two

[whole lichen]

Rocket + cluster is insane

[lofty loom]

oh then its just a coincidence i havent been getting doubles

anvil it isss xD

[whole lichen]

Yeah it’s luck

[mint coral]

Triple blocks hazard and cluster

(each block the other 2)

Hazard and rocket block each other

[opaque fiber]

What is good for a fresh save I haven’t played in awhile and wanted to start new

[lofty loom]

so which other special hammer can go with hazard?

[mint coral]

Targeting system

[lofty loom]

i anvilled and it swapped hazard lol

did get triple in return

[rustic vale]

You could have up to 3 from anvil

rocket/cluster/targetting

Or rocket/triple/targetting

[rustic vale]

You wanna know some secret sauce about the anvil

Or really about game rng

[bronze holly]

Wdym

Like a build?

[lofty loom]

hit me

[rustic vale]

Buy anvil
See what it took and what it gave you, if you like the options, take it, if you don’t, hit pause immediately and then go quit out of the game (in the pause menu), head back in, and cast once, buy anvil, repeat, casting (or summoning) one more time each time

you can do this to push your seed’s rng by one “rng unit” and get new anvil results

you can also do this for eurydice’s rarity boost & bouldy boons

The game typically locks you from quitting the game if you take anything aside from these thoufg

If you buy a boon you can’t quit that room anymore, take a boon option

etc

But anvil and the npcs don’t lock you out of quitting

I’m can’t really get into more depth at the moment but that should be good enough

[opaque fiber]

Yeah

[lofty loom]

that is wild lmao

thanks

[opaque fiber]

Cool that is really used

Useful

[lost badger]

I've always wondered if it's possible to beat Hades without boons

I know there are some unique dialogues, on reaching the surface and your father notices that you don't have any boons on you

[opaque fiber]

It is

It’s a speedrun category if I’m not mistaken

[lost badger]

Imagine if there was an achievement in beating Hades without boons

[opaque fiber]

Don’t think so

[lofty loom]

i tried to beat hades on a new save file earlier, its haaard

[rustic vale]

Yes

[opaque fiber]

I started one to day and omg it’s way more difficult then I remember

[latent moon]

boonless isn't a speedrun category

[opaque fiber]

Oh ok

[twilit lodge]

More people would have it than a 32 heat achievement

[latent moon]

there's like a separate unofficial leaderboard/thingy for it tho iirc

"unofficial" at least iirc

[twilit lodge]

Boneless is very doable

[lost badger]

Is someone aiming for a perfect game? (Achieving all achievements on Steam?)

[twilit lodge]

Hestia boonless is basically free you just have to have a little rng to let you purge everything

[rustic vale]

Achieving all steam achievements isn’t anything too crazy for Hades tbh

[twilit lodge]

Nemesis boonless is slightly less free but still not too bad

[rustic vale]

afai remember they’re pretty tame

[mint coral]

Just grindy cuz keepsakes achievement

[lost badger]

I wish that you could gain access to reaching up your mother's cottage after reaching 10 times

[opaque fiber]

What weapon is nem again spear?

[old bluff]

Sword

[lost badger]

I want to fish for trouts, bass and sturgeon

[opaque fiber]

K

[latent moon]

you can do that without going to the cottage

you can fish in the dad arena

[mint coral]

The chances are rolled into dad's arena

[lost badger]

Duh, I know that

But the odd's can be rather low

[twilit lodge]

According to that chart they’re actually fairly decent

[lost badger]

Can't be 50/50

When I become a game designer, I wanna make a game like Hades

Cuz it they looks so enjoyable, once you get the hang of it

[opaque fiber]

Roguelites are one of my fav type of game I like to see a movement shooter rouglite

[jagged hamlet]

What's a movement shooter? Does Titanfall fit into the category?

[latent moon]

hades is a movement shooter bc there is a gun in the game

and you can move

that's how that works i think

[opaque fiber]

😒

[rustic vale]

Mminecraft

[hybrid tiger]

Hey guys! Been playing the game for a bit and was wondering about how far in the game do people tend to beat the final fight for the first time, as in which run number? I beat Hades the first time I reached him and I am SUPER proud of myself!

[lavish sorrel]

such a game exists already, though I'll not mention its name here to keep the convo hades-related

[bronze holly]

Is the security bats from contractor purely cosmetic

[bronze holly]

Ya that’s awesome

[mint coral]

It gives you a bird bat view of the house

[bronze holly]

Ya so should I buy darker thirst, gemstones brilliant, vintage nectar, chtonic keys fated, or the music stand

Or the vanquishers keep

[mint coral]

For the currencies upgrades go keys>nectar>gems>darkness

If you want/need more gems go vanquisher

Music if you don't care about run upgrades

[bronze holly]

Also how’s the companion bat thing work

I tried using it in a boss fight and it just said not available

[mint coral]

was it the furies or dad fight

[bronze holly]

Dad

[mint coral]

need permission from him first

[bronze holly]

Dawg what

[mint coral]

dad is their boss

[latent moon]

you're asking an employee to attack their boss

so kinda expected tbf lmao

[mint coral]

and skelly work before permission

[bronze holly]

Oh I c

[mint coral]

and you need one of them to trigger the dialogue for permission

along smth else iirc but don't have it atm

prob nectar to dad?

[opaque fiber]

What’s a good build for zag weapons with no upgrades

[twilit lodge]

Poseidon dash start, Pom it heavy

Then Zeus or Dionysus attack for fast low dmg weapons like sword, railgun, fists

Aphrodite or Athena attack for bow or shield

And then dash strike a lot

That’s like, cookie cutter easy build 101

[rancid crest]

does Hades have 360 degree control with an Analog Stick, or is it strictly 8-way diagonal?

[twilit lodge]

360

[rancid crest]

ty!

[rustic vale]

720

[bronze holly]

What’s so appealing about Poseidon dash. I see a lotta people use/recommend it

[twilit lodge]

The damage goes bonkies

And ideally you’re dashing a ton already

For mobility and dash strikes which are almost always better than standing strikes

[old bluff]

Big damage big good

[twilit lodge]

It scales well with a few poms

And it has some tier 2 boons that ramp it up also

And it’s AoE with a large radius

It’s just

[bronze holly]

Aight

[opaque fiber]

zag sword seems mid

[bronze holly]

What’s easy heat options to pick for big noob tryna collect bounties. I need 2 heat lol

[bronze holly]

It kinda is…

[twilit lodge]

Did you know potatoes contain more potassium than bananas?

[bronze holly]

I didn’t know, that’s cool

[opaque fiber]

most weapons seem that way

[twilit lodge]

Zag sword is fairly mid

[bronze holly]

Zag fist good

[twilit lodge]

Zag fist also fairly mid

[opaque fiber]

how do get access to use titan blood

[bronze holly]

Well dis guy on a fresh run

[twilit lodge]

I got my first sub10 with zag sword though, the movement speed on it is kinda fun

[rustic vale]

Well yeah that’s why they’re called Potatoes

it comes from the potassium

[opaque fiber]

i have only 5 attempts lol

[bronze holly]

^🥺 someone please help before I make bad decisions

[twilit lodge]

Middle management

Td2

[rustic vale]

extreme measures 1 and tight deadline 1

[twilit lodge]

Benefits package (for the prophecy, it might be a little tougher than the other options)

[bronze holly]

My fastest time is 32

Minutes

[rustic vale]

Furies fight gets a teeny bit harder and you just need to clear in under 36 minutes-

[twilit lodge]

Nothing like pressure to change that!

[bronze holly]

Yeah I using em1

Fine if this kills me it’s ur fault

[rustic vale]

Honestly idk what you’re using now but a lot of things can be solve by improving your build at this point in the game

or even just your raw skills should be super easy to crank up

[rustic vale]

Y’know you don’t die when the timer hit’s 0 right

and all the time you have left over transfers to the next biome

[bronze holly]

Idk

[opaque fiber]

td is so easy tbh

[rustic vale]

you start losing 5hp a second till you clear the biome or die

[bronze holly]

That’s so much better 😭

[rustic vale]

If your fastest time is 32 minutes you can really really easily make it way lower like

by doing literally anythig tbh

[twilit lodge]

Taking free rooms

Pausing when not moving

[rustic vale]

Hey

you don’t need speedrun starts to break 32

[twilit lodge]

codex tech

But yeah just building better and being more aggressive helps analog

A lot

Having a sense of urgency

Which td can help with!

[rustic vale]

Use an actual build for your aspect of choice, use a good mirror, literally just make better decisions room to room, and lastly just get gud with your combat

Unless you have all those and your issue is you just dilly dally

Then the only solution is just dilly dally less

[opaque fiber]

+4 pos dash ehehe

[bronze holly]

What do y’all usually take from Eurydice

[opaque fiber]

pom

[bronze holly]

Wait if I have the duo boon that gives me epic+ boons

And then I get the nectar

[twilit lodge]

Yes

[bronze holly]

Is that garunteed heroic

[twilit lodge]

No

[bronze holly]

Does it just do nothing then

[twilit lodge]

Epic is the maximum rarity for new boons received

Excluding duo/legendary

Heroics are only available by upgrading or getting a replacement offer

[bronze holly]

Having 5 dashes is so fun

Especially with posideon dash

[rustic vale]

Real gamers just take refreshing nectar

It guarantees your next 3 boons are rare or better, and usually has great timing because you’re looking for duo boons or hitting your second hermes right around then

[rustic vale]

Refreshing nectar will still boost your duo/legendary odds

[fervent radish]

Real gamers consider all three options for different scenarios

[rustic vale]

exclusive access doesn’t guarantee epic (or better boons), it just guarantees epic

[rustic vale]

Current Rarity boost is situational but yeah

Just rng manip it

But

There are very very few situations where pom porridge isnthe play

[fervent radish]

I usually take rarity boost

Free 40% special damage usually

[bronze holly]

Yo tf I just cleared in 22 minutes !!

[bronze holly]

Oh ok

[rustic vale]

Are you save scumming or do you genuinely just have like 3 boons by eurydice

[fervent radish]

I usually have 2 boons by Eurydice

Never save scumming

[rustic vale]

crazy

Fair enough then

[fervent radish]

Really is just the norm at this point

Yeah

Sometimes only one boon and it’s really funny

[rustic vale]

That’s when u whip out the pok porrige

[fervent radish]

Then it’s usually Pom/health/coin into midshop into Athena

Many such cases

[bronze holly]

Is 100 gemstones worth selling for a diamond

[fervent radish]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TmONVMOtx4M

10:00

Happens very often with no dark foresight and AP2

Plus UC and me selling stuff that isn’t immediately useful to keep Pom pool small

[gleaming flax]

Pretty fun game first 2 hours I got to the third boss

I think I got the hang of it though

[fervent radish]

Very good rate of progression

[daring badger]

I'm sorry, what is the requirement for War-God's Bloodlust prophecy to unlock? I've done so many runs by now, have all bonds maxed except Ares, Achilles and Patroclus (the latter 2, I unlocked their hearts just recently so they'll be maxed soon), made sure to encounter Ares every run via keepsake, and he keeps giving throwaway dialogue while I'm at like triple the required number of kills to complete the prophecy. Am I missing something or am I that unlucky?

[lofty loom]

if u dont buy the hammer in the shop in tartarus can it still come in a room later on?

[lavish sorrel]

The game kinda wants the player to have 2 hammers and 2 hermes boons by the time they enter the dadfight and will therefore keep offering them as room rewards

With potential of an extra one in styx shop

[lofty loom]

nvm already died to charon lmao

[lavish sorrel]

Specifically, it tries to offer you one hammer before elysium, and one during / after elysium.
For hermes, it can try to offer you one as early as tartarus midshop, and will only offer a second one at chamber 14 onwards (meaning one can get a tartarus second hermes only if the biome is extended using a chaos / erebus gate in c12)

[lofty loom]

finally got platinum!

[cyan bane]

Guys is 2 escapes with only 12 escape attempts an improvement?

Because it took me like over 30 escape attempts to do most of what I did

Like it took my 7 to beat megera

And 3 to be lernie

[opaque fiber]

That’s pretty good

[cyan bane]

Yea I now know all the enemies and their patterns, so it's easy to expect what happens next

[opaque fiber]

After 30 attempts that is really good

[cyan bane]

I think it took my 30 or so to escape 10 times

Last time

[opaque fiber]

Oh it’s not your first time?

[cyan bane]

Nah I first played Hades on my sister's switch, then I bought it on my switch

[opaque fiber]

Ahhhh makes sense I had it on my switch for awhile and just got it again for my pc

[cyan bane]

I was half way through the game

Every keepsake, but none of those other secret thingies

[opaque fiber]

I had all keepsakes every weapon except secret weapons didn’t feel like getting them before I got bored

[cyan bane]

I had every hidden aspect except for the fists

You just gotta get lucky

[opaque fiber]

I had 2 or 3 I could unlock just didn’t want to

[cyan bane]

The weapons aren't bad, but it feels like they have more downsides than upsides

[opaque fiber]

Shield I think was good and fist but never got em

[cyan bane]

Yes Beowulf is the strongest I believe

Personally, I don't like the aspect of Guan Yu

You have too little health, and one big chunky hit and you're dead

[opaque fiber]

Guan yu is spear right what does it do

[lofty loom]

i like gilgamesh and arthurs sword theyre cool

[daring badger]

My problem with it is how slow and heavy is feels compared to other aspects

Spear is my favorite weapon normally, guan yu takes away what made me love the weapon in the first place

[glossy beacon]

Should I take a hammer or chaos?

[bronze holly]

The hammer will prolly show up again if you dont t have one so if u wanna take chaos then go ahead

[glossy beacon]

For a nemesis build, should I have Artemis on dash and Athena on attack or vice versa

Or should this be in #h1-builds-and-combat

[old bluff]

It’s fine

If you see Athena first and get an epic attack offered, I would take that, but I would generally wait for Arty or Aphro attack

[glossy beacon]

Ty

[fervent radish]

Athena is safer but aphro will give more damage off the bat

Rarity dependent though

Personally I just start tdash and see what gets offered

[opaque fiber]

Zag aspects are crappy

[twilit lodge]

Some more than others

[jagged hamlet]

Zagbow and Zagrail are pretty neat though. And Zagshield's okay

[hollow zenith]

Hey can someone help me? I've beaten Hades 3+ times, have unlocked 6-7 different aspects and achilles still wont talk to me about the hidden spear aspect

I can't unlock any of the 4th ones

[opaque fiber]

zag bow is just eh

[jagged hamlet]

Youuuu take that back

[opaque fiber]

noi

[twilit lodge]

Just gotta talk to him more until he tells you about it

[hollow zenith]

I went and bought hades 2 out of spite

in the meanwhile

[opaque fiber]

lol

[rustic vale]

They all have their uses like

4/6 of them have their niches

[opaque fiber]

shackle how do i unlock aspects i cant remeber

[rustic vale]

Unlock the hidden aspects? You need 5 different aspect to get the dialogue for Guan-Yu

[opaque fiber]

no base aspects

[rustic vale]

oh you need all the weapons

[opaque fiber]

k

what i thought could remebemer

[latent moon]

15% base crit rate is pretty strong

[rustic vale]

Zag bow is goated

[opaque fiber]

i dont have anything upgraded is why

and chiron is bette

[rustic vale]

Zzz

🤨

Chiron is easily the 4th best bow aspect

[opaque fiber]

cap

[rustic vale]

by a long shot

I’m not joking

[opaque fiber]

isnt that he seeking one

[rustic vale]

Yes

[opaque fiber]

top tier imo idc what you say

[rustic vale]

The only thing it has going for it is slow, single target damage

[opaque fiber]

top teir

tier

[rustic vale]

The only thing it has going for it is ease of use like

The skill floor on chiron is rock bottom

[opaque fiber]

exactly

[latent moon]

Very beginner friendly aspect lmao

[rustic vale]

…it just can’t keep up performance wise to the other bow aspects

[latent moon]

It's like aight

Definitely not the best bow by a long shot but it's usable lmao

[rustic vale]

Well ofc it’s usable

everything is

It’s just definitely not top tier in any discussion that factors in more than skill required to use the weapon

or personal feelings about the aspect I gues

[lavish sorrel]

unless you're talking extremely high heat, in which case chiron has cleared 60 modded, making it the second-best bow. to be fair, that might be more to the merit of the runner than the aspect.

[opaque fiber]

chiron dio slaps fight me

[rustic vale]

it slaps it just slaps like a wet noodle

[lavish sorrel]

ok where

[rustic vale]

Extremely high heat is an entirely different game

like

60+ you’re beyond high heat

[opaque fiber]

slaps like your daddy (im so sorry)

[rustic vale]

Anytime I hear about what goes on in 60+ compared to 50-60 it feels like I’m getting gaslit

[lavish sorrel]

[rustic vale]

I will personally take zagbow to 60

[lavish sorrel]

gl

[rustic vale]

just ask me after I finish my undergrad

That’s like 5 years off or smthin

[opaque fiber]

underzag

[rustic vale]

true chiron is under zag

[opaque fiber]

cringe

[rustic vale]

Talk to me when you have a sub1 hour clear with chiron

[opaque fiber]

i have sub 20

[rustic vale]

…were the lines not enough

I’ve got my sub10 zag bow clear

[lavish sorrel]

I've got my sub7 🍝 clear

[rustic vale]

Not sub6 ye-

Bad timing

[opaque fiber]

i dont speedrun just me playin regular

[latent moon]

I have a sub10 Chiron by playing it like bad zag bow lmao

[rustic vale]

Yeah I mean that’s how you play chiron if you’re speedrunning it

[mint coral]

Shoutout to when arthur's wr was lightning phalanx

[opaque fiber]

arthur is dub aspect

[lavish sorrel]

tbf some people still run special-strats but that needs the same amount of RNG enemy-wise as attack-strats need build-wise

[mint coral]

Top 4 sword aspect fr

[rustic vale]

I think we should run that back again

[opaque fiber]

top 1

[rustic vale]

Definitely possible

[latent moon]

Unfortunately it is not the top 1 by meta standards lmao

[lavish sorrel]

another good highheatspect that sucks for everything else

[opaque fiber]

idc about meta best one imo

[rustic vale]

I feel like you still need more rng build wise cuz the special hammers

there are just less of them you could end up with no?

[lavish sorrel]

attack strats also need good hammers, idk what you mean

[rustic vale]

there are more good attack bow hammers

or do ypu only use one combination for zag bow speedrunning

[latent moon]

For modded it's always like twin into whatever

Unmodded you can do twin or triple

[rustic vale]

Twin flurry tech

[latent moon]

Then into whatever

[lavish sorrel]

ig so yeahh

alright so special just sucks LOL

TIL

[rustic vale]

Exactly

“Into whatever”

[latent moon]

Yeah special only has 2.5 hammers

At least for chiron

Charged volley exists lol

[rustic vale]

mhm yeah if I was speedrunning any other aspect at least charged volley would be on te table

Charged vollley hera rivals crush shot fr fr

[latent moon]

Definitely

[opaque fiber]

just got chrion i will beat dad now\

[latent moon]

Have fun with that

[rustic vale]

Me but it’s zag bow

I remember my fresh file

As soon as I hit run 7 and had all my weapons

next run was run 8, I had unlocked aspects, immediately maxed zag bow and then cleared

[opaque fiber]

my was run 8 or 9

chrion will carry at level 2

[rustic vale]

Chiron at level 2 ☠️

Ur running a half effective chiron

[opaque fiber]

i didnt have enoug tians blood

[rustic vale]

you literally are dealing half the dps

[opaque fiber]

dont matter im using dio buld

just got aphro dio duo theeheh

[rustic vale]

me when I use a build that works just as well on every weapon on chiron instead 😔✋

Actually dio chiron is enjoyable thou

Just hit your poms

[opaque fiber]

just got +4 speical hammer

Just got to third area

just lost to minotaur and other dude

[latent moon]

Heroes moment

[opaque fiber]

i also dont have more then 50 health to start with : (

[latent moon]

How are you entering heroes with 50 max HP lmao

[opaque fiber]

i had 75 most of run and i mean at the start of runs

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

Should probably upgrade your mirror more then

[opaque fiber]

dont have enough keys lol

[latent moon]

Only finding 1 heart for that long of a run is concerning

[opaque fiber]

i think i took poms over heart but idk

[latent moon]

Yeah that might've been your problem lmfao

[opaque fiber]

but i didnt think i could get to them tbh

[bronze holly]

Lowkey just stack some hp early when it’s easy

And then focus poms

[latent moon]

If anything you do it the other way around

[opaque fiber]

only at 50 hp for ash didnt see any

[latent moon]

Poms early then hearts later

[bronze holly]

Whys that

[latent moon]

You don't need the hearts early in the run

[opaque fiber]

nvm im at 70

[latent moon]

So you'd rather stack more damage when it's easy

[bronze holly]

Makes sense

[latent moon]

Otherwise you're entering Ely with like 150 hp and no damage lmao

[bronze holly]

How much darkness does dad drop

[latent moon]

No clue

[opaque fiber]

50 idk

[rustic vale]

It’s dio all you need are poms

[rustic vale]

It’s like 400

[opaque fiber]

dio is dope

[rustic vale]

You’re so far off itms crazy

It’s somewhere in the 200-400 range

[opaque fiber]

i just got 50 from meg is why i just thought it be the same lol

[rustic vale]

…

No it goes up with each biome

[opaque fiber]

makes sense ol

[bronze holly]

Oh bet so I can farm like 600 darkness per run

[rustic vale]

50 -> 100 -> 150 - > 250

That’s what it is

[bronze holly]

550 same thing Frfr

[rustic vale]

If you’re darkness farming you should be getting like

Significantly higher

[bronze holly]

How

Dark thirst

Which is 20% increase

[rustic vale]

chaos boons, poseidon

taking troves

[bronze holly]

Oh ok

[rustic vale]

Take chaos portals whenever possible & buy them from wells

Make sure you have dark foresight and fated persuasion on btw

[opaque fiber]

how many keys do i need for mirror 100

[rustic vale]

like 50 something

[opaque fiber]

k

[rustic vale]

maybe 65 total

Checked wiki, it’s 65 total

5, 10, 20, 30 probably

[opaque fiber]

pom or health in els im at 140

level 5 dio

[rustic vale]

140 is plenty

[bronze holly]

The learning curve on this game is super interesting

[opaque fiber]

?

[bronze holly]

Idk cuz like it took me 62 attempts to beat hades

Then I beat him 3 runs in a row

And then lost and then won again

[opaque fiber]

its dem

[twilit lodge]

Well that’s because it’s not just a learning curve

It’s also a meta progression curve

[bronze holly]

I mean I guess

[twilit lodge]

Once those both have started to curve enough for you to come close to a win, it’s easy to keep it up

[opaque fiber]

lv 8 druken floruish lol

[twilit lodge]

Also at some point you stop having to prophecy chase

Which means your builds can start being a lot stronger and more consistent

Usually a new death defiance is all it takes to push a new player over the threshold of a clear

[opaque fiber]

beat mino and died to hero rip

[rustic vale]

Real

Accurate skill/time graph here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1304193089212252191/63DD6F8C-3C76-4133-B605-A4C6A1FE6215.jpg?ex=672e7ff7&is=672d2e77&hm=ed5400dae14eb66fb6089dec1f9a035ddc5773f3e87be2f8dab1b1b6d89a00ff&

[twilit lodge]

Realest thing I ever read

[lavish sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695178152325939303/1304193802667561063/Screenshot_20230501_191840_Samsung_Notes.jpg?ex=672e80a1&is=672d2f21&hm=3cd7474830cd77c0c638eaf2f584f1ff8f806e2ac8ffd8abba129c9617aebfc7& yeah this is not quite a usual curve

[twilit lodge]

Imagine a fresh file category but you had to never play the game before

So it’s 1000% fresh

[opaque fiber]

nothing would get done

[rustic vale]

Fresh Person category

[opaque fiber]

prob a ton of of people lying

[jagged hamlet]

Prob a ton of people dying

[rustic vale]

Prob like 4 people

[lavish sorrel]

I'm convinced that no-one on planet earth has beaten hades on their first or second run on their casual playthrough

[twilit lodge]

Fresh person truther

[lavish sorrel]

3 I can maybe, just maybe see happening but any less is impossible

[opaque fiber]

call an thunderlamp

[rustic vale]

I did

[lavish sorrel]

nah

[rustic vale]

Yuh

But then the men in black broke into my house and erased all evidence

[opaque fiber]

uh uh

[twilit lodge]

On a new platform doesn’t count

[lavish sorrel]

[opaque fiber]

your evidence was found in a dead in a pool'

[rustic vale]

In a what

[opaque fiber]

idk i was trying to keep movie themed since mib

[bronze holly]

💀

Wait that’s lowkey real

It’s what happened to me

[rustic vale]

…well yeah

That’s the idea

It’s an accurate representation of the avg players skill over time

[fervent radish]

Real

[cursive prairie]

What dors the horizontal and vertical axis represent

Why is the hades reddit in the opposite direction lmao is it that bad

[rustic vale]

Vertical: Skill
Horizontal: time in

[rustic vale]

Unfortunately

[twilit lodge]

It is That Bad

[latent moon]

yeah it's not the greatest

someone said fairly recently (i think today iirc) that doom special on chiron is good bc the doom stacks

like a full volley of doom special would be like 80*8 damage

[novel dagger]

I tried to make a couple of threads in the reddit, and both got instadeleted, sent a message to the mod team for each occasion asking why since I am not breaking any rules

Should've gone to discord from the very beginning

[latent moon]

it do be like that

most things on reddit dont go well lmao

the only post that i've made that did well was like the 32 heat guide

and kinda unmodded all weps 32 heat and sub10

[bronze holly]

Slide

[latent moon]

what

[bronze holly]

Send post

[latent moon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/12ln8vp/pulled_out_the_unmodded_save_file_and_finally_got/

[bronze holly]

Should I turn off dark foresight

If I’m tryna get darknes s

[mint coral]

nah

darkness room rewards are whatever

[opaque fiber]

I need to grind keys lol

[bronze holly]

Alright

Uh chat I’m playing Zeus aspect and I got epic thunder flourish but just got offered heroic Athena special on 2nd room. Take or nah

[opaque fiber]

what does zeus aspect do again

[bronze holly]

Big disc

Go brr

[opaque fiber]

athena

[bronze holly]

And damage ticks

[opaque fiber]

oh

then zeus if damage ticks if it procs zeus

[latent moon]

no

dont swap

zeus^2 is one of the best builds you can get on it

[opaque fiber]

why zeus he seems mid

i just dont think its good single target damage but i have not played much with him tbh

[jagged hamlet]

Zeus's second tier boon Static Discharge is busted

[opaque fiber]

aw

ah

what does it do

[jagged hamlet]

Deals silly damage when an enemy attacks (but then needs to be reapplied, but that's a non-issue)

[opaque fiber]

triple dash strike on spear is funny

[novel dagger]

isn't that the one with a visual bug on the pom screen?

[latent moon]

zeus is like the most flexible god in the game lmao

[latent moon]

no that's just specifically trippy flare on beowulf

[opaque fiber]

can you get big funny numbers on him

[latent moon]

Yes

[opaque fiber]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

can you tell i have never really played this game

[latent moon]

A lot of small numbers together with good aoe gives you a big number

And good scaling

[jagged hamlet]

And then Jolted

[latent moon]

Lightning strike and static discharge on eris rail is probably the most obvious example

[opaque fiber]

i have lightning strike and static discharge on zag spear with the dash strike boon its fun

[latent moon]

That's solid yeah

[opaque fiber]

dio call is soild

zeus didnt save me from hero fight rip

[bronze holly]

What’s easy options to get to 3 heat. I’m using em1 and tight deadline 1

[opaque fiber]

em2 pretty easy

[bronze holly]

If you say so

[opaque fiber]

em3 makes elys boss easier imo

[rustic vale]

eh

it does if you have a skill issue against Theseus shield

[opaque fiber]

and i do lol

[rustic vale]

otherwise it makes asterius worse and makes it significantly harder to kill/damage both at the same time

Like

I don’t run it at 40 heat

Asterius just becomes a melee weapon killer at that point

[opaque fiber]

i dont like high heat so

chiron with zeus pos souns fun

[rustic vale]

It’s like better if you’re at lower heats but its

[opaque fiber]

and he is

or she idk

[rustic vale]

…zeus has internal cooldowns of 0.2 seconds for lightning bolts so he won’t call lightning from the same boon against the same target before that

Aka

[opaque fiber]

the duo

[rustic vale]

zeus only proks once or twice per volley

[opaque fiber]

when you use pos push it strikes zeus

[rustic vale]

…it still has the internal cooldown

[opaque fiber]

boo

[rustic vale]

it doesn’t escape

It only kind of does by pushing the enemy farther and farther per arrow so you might get a second more consistently or potentially a 3rd

[opaque fiber]

zeus shield at level one yay or nay

i have two titans bloo

blood

[rustic vale]

Yes

Yay

[opaque fiber]

k

[rustic vale]

Sorry had to switch my keyboard back to english

[opaque fiber]

?

whats first lang or second

[rustic vale]

English

I don’t have a second language I just have a ton of keyboards

[opaque fiber]

LOL

[rustic vale]

Φυσπεβχζ

Хйузыжф

يخسا

I got greek for the letters and then realised I could grab a few more

[opaque fiber]

zeus on speical for zeus shield

[rustic vale]

Zeus special on zeus shield is a really strong build

[opaque fiber]

its last of titan blood before dad

[fervent radish]

(Aphro lowkey stronger without supporting boons)

[rustic vale]

Zeus doesn’t need levels for it to work

And the question’s being asked about lvl1 zeus shield

[opaque fiber]

arts call is good right

nvm didnt get it lol

[rustic vale]

…arte’s call is like

bleh

[opaque fiber]

whats best calkl

call

[rustic vale]

Zeus and dio

[opaque fiber]

k

zeus seems like best god

[rustic vale]

They deal better damage across 4 minicalls than arte does w/ a big call, and an arte big call needs your full gauge

Dio and zeus are heavily applicable in regular rooms and you lose less damage to the breakpoints on bosses

[rustic vale]

There isn’t really a “best” god? it’s too variable across each aspect and weapon

His and dio’s call are insanely splashable though

It’s just free damage on any build

[opaque fiber]

pos dash good yes

[rustic vale]

Yep

Best damage dash really

[opaque fiber]

flayed floruis take or nah

[rustic vale]

Nah

Your zeus is lvl 1 remember

It only deals 8 damage per hit

[opaque fiber]

so no damage upgrade?

[rustic vale]

It’s barely a damage upgrade

What are your other options

[rustic vale]

…you can imagine what an x% boost to 8 damage is can’t you?

[opaque fiber]

excruicating lunge or casutic facor

[rustic vale]

What does caustic do again

[opaque fiber]

it be 12 damage instead of 8

[rustic vale]

It’s been a while

[rustic vale]

Mhm

[opaque fiber]

23% chance for rare or better

all the others ones seem meh

floruish would be most helpful

[rustic vale]

No the caustic downside

Favour is the boon

Caustic is the curse part of it

I knew favour boosted rarity lol

Isn’t caustic enemies drop firebombs or smthing

[opaque fiber]

infernoi bomb

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[opaque fiber]

yea

[rustic vale]

Take favour

[opaque fiber]

23% rare or better is good?

[rustic vale]

Where are you in game

[opaque fiber]

tart

[rustic vale]

How many hermes do you have

[opaque fiber]

i took already

[rustic vale]

+23% rare or better is indeed way better

than boosting your special damage from 8 to 12

Since your lightning is all of your damage rn

[opaque fiber]

dont even have it yet

[rustic vale]

What

do you not have zeus keepsake or smthing

anyways it’s not worth it to take a curse for a minimal damage boost 3 rooms from now that won’t be relevant as soon as you hit zeus

Compared to the value of a rarity boost super early in tartarus

Getting better rarity on all your future hermes boons and chaos boons alone makes it worth it

not even mentioning regular gods

[opaque fiber]

bro zzeus did not appear at all in tart

[bronze holly]

Epic true shot or heroic crystal beam on Achilles spear

[opaque fiber]

heroic

dem all da way for cast

[twilit lodge]

If you can reasonably get the arty dem duo, heroic crystal beam wouldn’t be terrible

[opaque fiber]

just got to styx for the first time

Just lost since i had no dd and low health

[bronze holly]

If I perchance have 1000 coins should I buy diamond from Charon

[jagged hamlet]

Sure if you need diamonds

[stiff topaz]

Finally got the game played it last night! Perhaps a bit too close to when I get to sleep cause that's all I dreamt about 😅

[dim musk]

[floral prairie]

started a run and got two blade rift boons from ares only for him to give me vicious cycle the third time i saw him i didn't even reach meg yet...

[lavish sorrel]

Scam cycle

[clear rapids]

Gosh darn hades artwork is so yummy. I could just stare at it forever. Often do I get lost simply admiring any particular character I happened to stumble across. So, so, so iconic

[twilit lodge]

Real

[quick cliff]

the trap dmg heat modifier is by far the worst one

[quick cliff]

i got hit by a single trap in styx and it ruined my entire motivation to continue with my run

and against hades his pots were dealing 100+ dmg EACH

😭

[mint coral]

Yup

HS moment

[quick cliff]

i dont even have much problems with high heat runs

i just never thought

this modifier

would ruin them so much

[mint coral]

And for 1 heat too lmao

[lavish sorrel]

150, pots deal 30 base

[amber oriole]

Are you able to fight Asterius before ever reaching the boss?

[jagged hamlet]

Yes, as a miniboss

[lavish sorrel]

POV: death of nearly half of the fresh file speedruns that get to elysium

[amber oriole]

Okay, that answers my question, wonder if there’s special dialogue for it

[twilit lodge]

Zagreus comments on already having fought asterius if you have before your first time fighting the two together

Iirc

[lavish sorrel]

Dialogue is different since zag can't complain to asterius about how bogus the later 2v1 is, if he hasn't seen that it's a 2v1 yet

Something along the lines of:
(Pre-combat: "The Bull of Minos!")
"You come from the bowels of hell. This is not your place."
"Agreed on both counts! Just passing through, so if you'll excuse me..."
"I will not. <snort> the champion of Elysium would never back down from such a contest. Neither will I."
"Wait, you're not the champion of Elysium? I can barely imagine who's much stronger than you. Is it Heracles? Please tell me it's Heracles."
"I will not. <snort> You talk too much, short one. Come get destroyed."

[twilit lodge]

Yeah I recall seeing that dialogue

[lavish sorrel]

I REMEMBER, HOLD UP

[opaque fiber]

thesus sucks took 2dd

lost to dad : (

dem is first time meet dad i thought it was first kill!!

[twilit lodge]

First time seeing all the snow up top

[neat ridge]

zagreus is hot 🤑

[jagged hamlet]

Well yes. His feet are constantly burning

[opaque fiber]

Yeah don’t know why I thought it was first kill

[neat ridge]

you looking at it? cause i sure am 🤑

[bronze holly]

💀

[weak eagle]

its just a game its just a game its just a game

[scenic flare]

Bro I went from never defeating hades to beating the game 4 times in 1 day

And my first clear was on the railgun 💀

Why does the shield make the game so easy

[daring badger]

finally got the prophecy, right after maxing every other bond

wait was my message deleted

is it because i replied to a message from 2 days ago, i did it just to provide context to what i was saying

anyways, finally got ares prophecy, right after the run where i maxed the last bond that wasn't ares

it's hilarious how unlucky i was with getting it

[karmic idol]

What is the best gun aspect?

[whole lichen]

Eris is the easiest, Lucifer can be a lot of fun

Hestia is also good but need to get used to its rhythm

Zagreus rail is… an aspect

[mint coral]

Zag is ok as budget eris, has its own niche for spread fire

[karmic idol]

So if I'm not using specials then just go with zag?

[mint coral]

Why wouldn't you use it

[inland vine]

Besten dad like 4 times
My biggest enemy is still Theseus

[karmic idol]

Timer

[mint coral]

?

[junior steppe]

just lost a 8 heat run due to a trap killing me at styx

[twilit lodge]

Solution: don’t use heightened security

[mild garden]

So.... Got Hades 1 ealier this week, think I got some bug or something, dunno, can someone shed some light?

[whole lichen]

#h1-tech-support but I guess it works here as well since nothing is going on

[mild garden]

True, just wanted to ask before posting there yk

[karmic idol]

finally beat heat 40

after 3 weeks

[modest thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901852801347494008/1304856986101485690/d6RoOFL0iEIMUhhk.mov?ex=6730ea44&is=672f98c4&hm=830e5c706dc9dcc08da06211dddef16c79a0c10fa77b33c055771f85a37df775& bro 😭

[karmic idol]

i could cry

[modest thicket]

after u see the video i just sent up in chat then yeah u would probably cry

[jagged hamlet]

Oh man. Kids' sense of humor is really quite different

I kinda miss being a kid, but I sure don't miss being a goober

[modest thicket]

fr bro i miss watching dan tdm and stampy that was so peak

[stiff topaz]

OMG I GOT THERSUS AND THE MINOTAUR 1ST TRY

I would like to thank lady Athena for her deflect, and my mother for believing in me /j

[modest thicket]

wym

[stiff topaz]

I beat then the 1st time I managed to get to them

[old bluff]

Nice!

[modest thicket]

oh nice

bro i just almost died to alecto i havent played this game in so long

[near granite]

How much patience should I have with hades? I've played 6 hours and I feel that I cannot beat this game.

I can make it to the second boss but that's it. I have God Mode on right now.

[rustic vale]

It can take a while to get your first clear

it’s pretty normal for it to take anywhere from 20-80 attempts

[jagged hamlet]

Also remember that Dashes give iframes but Dash-Strikes do not

[rustic vale]

well tbh at this point there’s so much that can be improved with your gameplay, from learning how to wield weapons properly, to building them, making good calls on which doors you take, building your mirror

[fervent radish]

God mode isn’t necessary to beat it, but tidal dash is strong, doom is strong, divine dash is pretty strong, Zeus boons are strong

Second boss at 6 hours also isn’t terrible pace

If you’re enjoying it, I would just keep playing

[rustic vale]

And if you’re trying to avoid spoilers (given you’re in like the first 0.1% of the game rn) I’d head over to #h1-for-new-players

[upper arrow]

Also fwiw, Hades is a rogueLITE not a rogueLIKE. It has permanent upgrades, you'll get farther as you get stronger, it's designed that way.

Yes, people do beat it with just a few attempts, but like .. you don't unfold the story correctly when you do that, so until you've fully cleared the game, you don't have to worry about how many tries it takes, it has a lot to tell you as you try.

[bronze holly]

Don’t worry about it bruh. It took me 60 attempts to beat him

[unreal mason]

technically speaking the rail isn't a railgun (at least I don't think it uses a lorentz force to launch its projectiles).

[weak eagle]

I got my first sub-20!

[old bluff]

gg!

[weak eagle]

thx

[whole lichen]

I’d never played roguelikes before and gave it a chance. Meg felt really annoying and I felt like I’d never kill the third boss. I got my first clear at like 50th run with the god mode on

Now I’m past my 100th clear and have like 200 hours invested in. It’s a very rewarding experience and there’s nothing wrong with turning on God mode

[jagged hamlet]

We did see one person who'd developed incredibly horrible movement habits while playing with God Mode, but other than that, nothing wrong with it

[rustic vale]

well

Most of them typically end up having problems weaning off it because they’re used to playing a game where they take 1/5 of the damage

so their dodging skills compared to how aggressively they play are like

way lower than it would be otherwise

[lavish sorrel]

former godmode user here
it can be a tool if you just want to get better at recognizing and avoiding certain enemies' attacks. this does mean one explicitly has to not damage the enemy you're practicing during that though

[twilit lodge]

God mode users when they have to stop being God

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-woah-shocked-gif-9221035517503517350

[bronze holly]

How hunt for boons for prophecy

[fervent radish]

Use keepsakes, don’t fill a core if you need a core boon from a god, run legacy for duos and legs, know the boon requirements

[primal grotto]

I totally forgot a God Mode exists

Nor do I think I'd be a coward to use it since it kills all the fun

[latent moon]

not really

god mode lets people who aren't as good at the game actually play the game and experience the story

it's a really good story and god mode is excellent for keeping the core gameplay the same and making the story more accessible

[old bluff]

Also, different people have different definitions of fun

[weak eagle]

dash counts as core boon

right

because I was going for merciful end and I got doom attack and divine dash and the full setup with blinding flash, impending doom, and doom damage at like 400 but after like 5 athenas i didnt get merciful end

I didnt get another duo before or anything

[jagged hamlet]

Dash is a core boon, but Divine Dash is not a Merciful End prereq

[latent moon]

jsut because it's a core doesnt mean it's a prereq

check your codex for prereqs

[twilit lodge]

Not opening ME moment

[weak eagle]

oooh

also I got my 10th clear

[bronze holly]

Yeah ME needs Athena attack or special and Ares attack or special but I believe once you have it you can activate it through any Athena boon that deflects

[stiff topaz]

Do daedalus upgrades and chaos boons count as boons for the shattered shackle? I assume the later would

[tepid light]

I'm pretty sure neither of them count as boons, actually

Shackle only is cancelled if there is a boon in one of the slots on the bar

[ionic hemlock]

oop worng channel

[cursive prairie]

God mode just allows everyone who isnt sweaty to actually play the game
It instantly opens up the game to a lot of casual players unlike fromsoft games that are gatekept by difficulty

[stiff topaz]

and its also a big help to those who might not have the best gaming set up and deal with lag

thats the primary reason i have god mode on

[whole lichen]

I agree it’s important. I believe it should be adjustable though

[stiff topaz]

does god mode reset when you toggle it on/off?

[whole lichen]

It starts back from the percentage you were at afaik, but cannot confirm

[stiff topaz]

ah, i was thinking if it reset then it could be manually adjusted by toggling it on/off when you reach your desired percentage to keep it within that range

[daring badger]

Yeah that is unfortunate, wish it went back down when you won a run so you kept getting more and more comfortable with the game's intended difficulty, as an option

[primal grotto]

Reminds me of Assist Mode in Dead Cells
Honestly, games with such features are to play with joy

[fathom estuary]

What does more damage ? Guan Yu special with heartbreak flourish and charged skewer or hestia attack with heartbreak strike ?

[lavish sorrel]

Hestia has a higher damage output and gives zagreus more control over his movement, partly thanks to animation-cancels

Hestia is usually seen as the stronger aspect among the two, actually

[fathom estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/ja-gif-23934764

[cyan bane]

Which god's special goes well with the aspect of eris and cluster bomb?

[rustic vale]

Artemis for crits and otherwise Aphrodite just always gooes hard

It’s kind of hard to go wrong with any +% god aside from poseidon

The flat damage gods should be pretty much off the table

[cyan bane]

I ended up with Dionysus

Aphrodite didn't appear

[rustic vale]

[cyan bane]

But this is actually pretty good

I was disliking the rail gun because of how weak I thought it was, but it seems like I wasn't using it right

[rustic vale]

That’s what happens most of the time ppl think weapons aren’t strong

[cyan bane]

It just felt slow

I couldn't really see the increase in damage

I used to just get random stuff and hope it works

[fervent radish]

Artemis is worth forcing with her keepsake if you have clockies

[daring badger]

you ever just do zeus shield + zeus special and don't get zeus again until styx, for a total of 2 zeus boons

[fervent radish]

yeah

just happens sometimes

[fathom estuary]

All the time

[karmic idol]

Question ..I just watched a vorime speed run video and realized he is casting at doors and summon for no reason.. is it for cool looks or does it mean something?

Does anyone know why?

[fathom estuary]

No clue, maybe he knows the seed and he's doing seed manipulation

[karmic idol]

What is seed .. lol seed manipulation funny asf

[lavish sorrel]

seeded speedrunning is different to regular gameplay.
as a general rule of thumb, every time the game makes an RNG call, it takes the current RNG seed (a number) and passes that seed into an RNG function. that function spits out a new number that is used as the next RNG seed. in seeded, the runner knows the run's starting seed and can therefore predict everything that will happen with correct inputs. Some actions Zagreus can take call the RNG function.
manipulating RNG will not do you any predictable good / bad if you don't know what seed you are currently on (which is the usual situation the player is in).

[fathom estuary]

Fellas do I take 60% cast damage or an extra cast ? I'm doing beowulf

[lavish sorrel]

stones are multiplicative damage and therefore usually better

additive scaling is far more common to come across

[fathom estuary]

Thanks

[karmic idol]

Thank you very much

[latent moon]

i think the only time you take the extra cast damage over the stone is if it's like 70+% or something

whatever purple is

[stiff topaz]

I did it! I beat hades!...and then clicked out of the victory screen while trying to get a screenshot T-T. Is there a way to get that victoy screen to pop up again?

[cyan bane]

What weapon did you use

[stiff topaz]

The shield, Aegis

which, im quiet surprised by myself

though it does make some sense, im not good enough to dodge hades' attacks yet so blocking most of them definitely was the thing that got me through

and aphrodite's call, in reality that did all the damage

[near granite]

hi guys, at 13 attempts I have nearly killed the 2nd boss. I put God Mode on, I dont have much patience. Is it impossible to beat this game?

[rustic vale]

…it’s incredibly possible

It takes anywhere from 20-80 attempts for a first clear on a average

Also, I don’t know if you checked what godmode does, but it’s purely damage reduction that grows the longer you have it on

[latent moon]

saying the game is impossible after only 13 attempts is quite the jump lmao

[near granite]

Thanks for the input. I dont have much patience. I think I did the first boss on the 3rd attempt without God Mode. Will keep on learning

[rustic vale]

It goes from like 20% damage reduction to 80% damage reduction as you keep dying, so technically godmode isn’t even boosting you that much rn

[near granite]

aha I see Shackle.

[rustic vale]

it says so on the boon itself

But also, when you kill the final boss for the first time, that’s just the start

you’re like 0.1% of the way into the game rn

[rustic vale]

(If you know how to open your inventory)

[near granite]

pretty hard core game

the only button I dont get is F on PC

it doesnt do anything

[rustic vale]

You can remap your controls if you don’t like em lol

Is it by default set to anything?

[near granite]

sec

[rustic vale]

…it might be smthing you don’t have access to yet

like summoning

[near granite]

its "Call"

[rustic vale]

oh you don’t have Call yet? crazy

I don’t know what the trigger for getting introduced to calls is

[stiff topaz]

i mean call only shows up when you get that boon

[rustic vale]

I know I got calls like my 3rd or 4th boon

The game has a scripted event to inteoduce you tk it

[latent moon]

generally speaking i think call is guaranteed first boon on your 5th run

there's a way around it

but that doesn't really happen often lmfao

[near granite]

when I use F the guy says "Not yet" or something

[rustic vale]

yeah… cz you haven’t been introduced to calls yet

[stiff topaz]

you either don't have the boon on your god gauge isnt charged