h1-discussion

[long jetty]

Still don't have Jolted and I got a horrible Hammer selection, but I got Double Strike at least

[limpid ocean]

does hyper delivery combo work with beowulf or not really?

[long jetty]

And completely shredded the Megagorgon in Asphodel, alright. I have definitely been playing Aegis wrong. Wonder just what Jolted will do to this, huh

[old bluff]

Beo has the highest RD odds in the game

[fervent radish]

yes, but you have to dash when you shot to apply the buff

[old bluff]

It's very nice

[fervent radish]

what hammers were you offered

[long jetty]

All 3 were for Bull Rush. I took the one I needed for the Prophecy. I never use Bull Rush unless I kinda have to due to blocking

[old bluff]

Was Charged Shot there?

[limpid ocean]

why is that?

[twilit lodge]

It’s ineligible for some hermes boons I think

[long jetty]

I died on the easiest boss in the game. I got too cocky. Too powerful for my own good. ;-;

[fervent radish]

if it was breaching, minotaur, and charged shot you should've taken charged shot or breaching

sudden is....fine

ymmv

[long jetty]

Breaching is the one that deals 400% damage to Armor, yeah?

If so, that's the one I took.

[fervent radish]

yeah

[long jetty]

Now, does Jolted prevent damage to me and only causes enemies to damage themselves or does it still damage me, just also damages them too?

[old bluff]

You still take damage, but enemies also take damage

[fervent radish]

iirc whether enemies that die from jolted also damage you is variable

like i think skullcrushers die the moment before they can damage you

louts still damage you

so do chariots

[long jetty]

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but I did play this game a few years ago, too, and I could have sworn there was ||some way to fight Charon. Wasn't there a way to steal Gold or something in his shop and make him angry?||

If there is, I still haven't encountered that option, but I remember doing it pretty early on my first playthrough.

[mint coral]

No quick reload/flurry cast on the pool

[twilit lodge]

There is. Are you visiting midshops or only end shops?

The bag only appears in midshops

[long jetty]

Both. Midshops only if I have at least 150 Coin and the other option is less preferable

[twilit lodge]

Well, if you want to fight Charon you’ll want to check the midshops more often

[long jetty]

Just glad I didn't remember wrong. Thank you.

Okay, so yeah... Jolted, Rupture, and Doom... Elysium has never been so easy. Absolutely shredded Asterius in the miniboss room.

Yeah, and Elysium boss was trivial. Wow.

I have Explosive Return and Dashing Wallop. Is the Anvil in the Styx shop worth taking or no?

[old bluff]

no

[long jetty]

I kinda figured.

[fervent radish]

never give up explosive return yeah

[long jetty]

I assume the strategy with Explosive Return is to keep spamming the Special right next to an enemy to absolutely obliterate them and essentially keep a permanent Jolted on them?

Probably made even better with the Doom from Attack and Rupture from Dash?

[jagged hamlet]

Is too risky with a 50% chance of giving up ER. Maybe even risqué

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[long jetty]

And I got Double Strike from Styx. Hades is cooked.

[fervent radish]

Double strike only affects jolted

[long jetty]

Fine by me. :P

[fervent radish]

You can also use the bull rush to combo ER with more safety. Slightly less optimal than spamming special but way safer and it’s easier to group enemies

[long jetty]

So, use Special, hold Bull Rush until Special is at the enemy, release Bull Rush and reclaim Special? Rinse and repeat?

[fervent radish]

Yeah

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jCd8FuYezpE&pp=ygUOTXlzdGVycmEgaGFkZXM%3D

[long jetty]

Sorry, 1e4 damage to 1 target?

[fervent radish]

Yeah

It’s skelly but modded to have a bunch of health

[long jetty]

[fervent radish]

Also codex modded for some boons

[long jetty]

I wish I could post screenshots. I have a pretty solid build right now.

[old bluff]

you can

[fervent radish]

You can post a media link and it will embed

[long jetty]

It wouldn't even be a screenshot, anyway. Don't have WiFi, so no Discord on my laptop. ;-;

[hoary pebble]

I have officially 100%ed hades!

Yippee!

[twilit lodge]

Not 100% until you’ve heard every voice line and earned every resource director title

[old bluff]

And got wr and 64 unmodded

[twilit lodge]

Of course

[wary iron]

64 unmodded is a piece of cake try 80

[lavish sorrel]

Getting a wr is a piece of cake, just run ff hellmode shield or ff hellmode rail. No such times yet on that board.

[hoary pebble]

I’m too old for this

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-14149886028736974766

[old bluff]

I meant any% heat wr

Unmodded or modded

Idk which is harder lmao

[fervent radish]

lmao

[long jetty]

Is max heat even possible?

[fervent radish]

yeah

very possible

many people have done it on zeus, playad has done it on a few weapons, vaxon has done it on two, and timothy has done it on guan yu

i will do it eventually

[unreal mason]

here's a youtube playlist of players who have beaten 64 heat, including unmodded/modded/seeded/hypermodded (not including bilibili successes from 索方索 or 银紙竹光) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mo-kXjasZs&list=PLVlnmeG33sM2aXgtLN4dVndYS5Ft8wJWk&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVlnmeG33sM2aXgtLN4dVndYS5Ft8wJWk

@fervent radish will be joining this playlist when he gets out of 64 heat jail

[fervent radish]

main issue right now is that i don't have any consistent time to play, so it's more productive to just screw around lol

[unreal mason]

lol fair

[long jetty]

So, every Punishment combined will equal 64 heat and absolute hell?

[unreal mason]

yeeeeeeep, although we're constantly learning how to make it more managable so it's not the impossible feat it once was considered (still very hard though)

[long jetty]

I wonder if I will one day be able to do that myself.

[old bluff]

You can if you try hard enough

Just don't expect it to be a quick and easy goal

[long jetty]

I don't expect it at all. Some of them look extrenly... painful.

cough clear each region in 5 minutes or less cough

[vagrant nacelle]

yeah i did and no joke i only get boons when it was those two yk? but i ll see

it was that bad im not kidding

[long jetty]

If it makes you feel better, Nali, I haven't gotten a single Duo in my 21 attempts so far.

[latent moon]

oh this is very convenient in keeping track of who cleared thanks lmao

i also forgot that timothy did guan yu 64 god damn

[latent moon]

well then you're probably doing something wrong then bc realistically speaking duos aren't that difficult to get lmao

[long jetty]

Wonder why I haven't gotten any then

[latent moon]

you have 21 attempts, your mirror isn't nearly developed

but also you kinda have to be aiming to get it, not just "take random stuff and hope a duo will show up"

i can get a duo pretty consistently in this game, but in hades 2 i've only gotten like 3 duos ever in maybe 60 runs bc i'm not aiming to get them at all and not trying

and i'm sure speedrunners can get duos pretty consistently too, although i'm not sure since im not really involved in the hades 2 speed scene

[fervent radish]

If you one trick Zeus for a couple hundred hours I’d say you have a pretty good chance of doing atleast 62

[latent moon]

only a couple hundred hours :)

[fervent radish]

The jump from 62 to 64 is atleast as hard as the jump from 50-62

I wouldn’t recommend setting your sights on 64 without doing 50 and seeing how it feels

And I wouldn’t force it if you don’t enjoy the aspect

[noble quarry]

finally did it finished the legendary boon prophecy

now i only need the legendary from chaos, 1 hammer for fists and the duo boons and im done with them all

[cursive prairie]

My bow time is 4 minutes slower than shield time

I think because shield is so easy to get through horde enemies that take up like 80% of the time

[noble quarry]

Shield can ged rid of more fast especially Beowulf

Bow mostly deals with 1 at a time

[long jetty]

Unless you get the right Special Hammers and Boons.

[latent moon]

bow you can def hit more than 1 at a time lmao

unless you're playing chiron, then that's mostly single target damage

and the only time you'd want to get special hammers

[long jetty]

How do I properly play Aspect of Hera?

[twilit lodge]

Press cast then attack

[long jetty]

Well, yeah, but what should I prioritize and avoid?

I'm kinda in the middle of a run rn, so... too late to ask O guess.

But currently have Explosive Shot and Dionysus Cast

Idk if that's a decent setup so far or not, but eh

[twilit lodge]

The preferred cast is crush shot

[long jetty]

Didn't get that option

[twilit lodge]

If you start with the Aphrodite trinket it’s pretty easy to make sure you get that option

If you’re not starting your runs with God trinkets you probably should

[long jetty]

I have been.

[twilit lodge]

Explosive shot isn’t a great hammer for Hera because you want to launch your casts without a huge delay

Twin/triple are useful

Flurry shot is funny and decent

[long jetty]

So, if I get to Styx, I should definitely buy an Anvil if available?

Currently in Elysium, about to face the boss

[unreal mason]

depends on what you have, flurry is best hammer for hera since it allows you to use casts fastest so if you have that or twin/triple I wouldn't bother hammering.

[long jetty]

I have Relentless and Explosive

[jagged hamlet]

If one's bow is only hitting one enemy at a time, one should work on positioning!

[latent moon]

real

[latent moon]

if you want you can take anvil i guess

explosive isn't the worst since you're ideally min charging the bow to get the casts out as fast as possible

although i feel like explosive is close enough to twin/triple in styx lmao

if you really want the range for dad fight then you can take the anvil and hopefully get rid of explosive shot

[long jetty]

I hate Theseus so much

[cursive prairie]

Bleh im not doing these heats anymore

Cuz wtf???
I killed someone then the soul split into 4 and i have to kill them before they regenerate???

[latent moon]

no you only have to kill the real one

the other 3 (pretty sure 3 anyways) are fakes that explode after a certain amount of time or after you kill them

the fake ones glow purple or something

[vagrant nacelle]

nah like idk if its my luck but bro i am telln you 💀😭 but i get it yk

[twilit lodge]

Popper moment

[vagrant nacelle]

put on god mode 🤷‍♂️

it ll be better dont study what people say once you finish the game on normal with first run you dont need to prove anything

[jagged hamlet]

But...bryanmclee has clearly already cleared at least once 😮

[vagrant nacelle]

yur

[ivory lark]

are you still able to get achievements in god mode? I have two left and I’m just trying to speed run it atp

[vagrant nacelle]

yeah i believe the game doesnt punish you for using god mode

you get the same rewards ,percentage ,shops same gameplay just getting hit iisnt as bad as how it wld be without god mode on

[fervent radish]

It can be less fun depending on what you like about the game

Also not submittable to speedrun.com but that’s a whole other can of worms

[pastel heath]

what is the purpose of gifting to gods? does it affect the rolls of the boons they give?

[topaz sequoia]

Hey y'all know the cool pseudo alchemical/summoning circle that shows up before enemies spawn in?

Does anyone have a good trace of that?

[topaz sequoia]

Unlocks more info about them in the codex

(briefly did not understand the sticky part when the message moved, oops)

[jagged hamlet]

Your understanding it at all is commendable! Some people...don't get it until they're told

[fervent radish]

Wdym

Like a drawing of it?

[topaz sequoia]

Yeah!

Either a direct rip of the asset or a literal tracing of it, one of the two

If no one's ever made one I can definitely do it myself but figured I'd see if anyone else had already done it

I think it would make a sick tattoo

A friend staying with us for a bit is at five clears and is trying to get the true ending before moving on to the sequel and I've just been once again enamored with the art design on this game

[fervent radish]

https://www.svgrepo.com/svg/322475/hades-symbol

[topaz sequoia]

Not what I'm referring to unfortunately

[fervent radish]

https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Hades-Game-Logo-by-Merch-On/59653517.EJUG5

[topaz sequoia]

That's in the center of it but I'm talking about the full circle

[fervent radish]

If you just look up hades symbol you should get hits

Oh

Just draw a circle around it?

[topaz sequoia]

You know, if you don't know what I'm talking about, you don't actually have to respond

[fervent radish]

https://imgur.com/hades-summoning-circle-ZtCK6fG

[fervent radish]

Alright

[topaz sequoia]

That's the one right there

https://youtu.be/eQNubCnuwDY

I was fighting my phone to try and get this shareable, sorry

Sorry for being rude and thank you for finding that image

[fervent radish]

No worries, we all have our moments

[dim musk]

did they previously nerf chiron from 8 to 7?

🤔

I GET IT STICKY

[jagged hamlet]

Do you? Do you really 👀

[latent moon]

isn't it currently 8 arrows

the aspect makes the normal special go from 9 to 8, but it homes

[dim musk]

...

do i

[dim musk]

for me its 7 and i maxed it out

hm 🤔

man aspect of rama looks fun

[old bluff]

Did you pirate the game?

[latent moon]

lmfao

yeah the last post launch patch that included chiron mentioned adding an arrow

[dim musk]

yeah i did

i do that with games cause i live in a 3rd world country

[old bluff]

You're on an older patch

[dim musk]

i will be buying it soon tho

i did that with hollow knight

[dim musk]

ahhh alrighty

when my mom gives me permission 🙏

[dim musk]

oh damn so they buffed it? 😭

alr

I GET I-

[old bluff]

Also, the bot is here is here because people kept talking about Hades 2 in this channel super often, so it is there to deter them

[dim musk]

[dim musk]

LMFAO 😭

its funny

i wonder what triggers the bot tho

[jagged hamlet]

I've personally witnessed StickyBot fending off Hades 2 commenters!

[dim musk]

💀💀💀

LOL

"so about hades 2..."

[latent moon]

it's just every 2 mins

[dim musk]

"This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II."

[latent moon]

every 2 mins it pops up after the most recent message

[dim musk]

oh thats why

[latent moon]

that way it stays near the bottom of the chat

[dim musk]

i thought it showed up cause i didnt talk about hades-

[latent moon]

well they reduced the special damage per arrow but gave chiron at least 1 arrow

[dim musk]

oh also, does hades 2 run on a similar lvl as hades 1? or is it more heavy on running

[latent moon]

the patch notes wasn't specific on the numbers

[dim musk]

cause my pc isnt that good

[latent moon]

ngl not entirely sure

[dim musk]

oh okay ima just compare the requirements for each

[latent moon]

hades 2 is probably a bigger game

[dim musk]

just checked on steam and yup

it is-

😭

man

oh well

[latent moon]

a lot more content compared to hades 1 even in early access, although like the story isn't as nearly fleshed out

[dim musk]

it looks great

i wanna see what happens to zag tho

i didnt actually know 2 was still in early access tbh

🤔

[latent moon]

yeah it'll be in early access for a while before the full release

they did the same with hades 1

[dim musk]

its so peak

i am suprised no one was angry at me for pirating the game at first

didnt wanna lie-

i shall speak to my mother today and ask.

i might get hit with a slipper but no worries

[jagged hamlet]

It was nice knowing you

[dim musk]

NOOOO

me realizing most ppl are in the hades 2 channel and not here-

...

[twilit lodge]

The 5 stages of accepting stickybot

[fervent radish]

You’re not really supposed to mention it here

Just pops up when people have outdated versions and such

[dim musk]

that is true

oh well

cant really risk losing money due to some stuff but yeah

[dim musk]

i am NOT accepting this bot

GOD DAMN IT

[twilit lodge]

You will accept the bot

[dim musk]

i give up...

FU-

[hoary pebble]

[twilit lodge]

This will get someone other than stickybot to respond

That’s not a good thing, though

[jagged hamlet]

She's gonna make Sage play Transistor 20x in a row

[gray shuttle]

Nyx = Mommy
Persephone = Mother
Agreed?

[twilit lodge]

Sure

[hoary pebble]

Persephone is probably a good cook

And that really makes me happy

There’s nothing I enjoy more than a good meal

[cursive prairie]

They still update the game? Interesting

[jagged hamlet]

Revise "Mommy" to "Mom" and we have an accord

[old bluff]

No

Hades 1 has not been updated in years

[fervent radish]

where did you get that idea?

[cursive prairie]

Oh the earlier discussion

[fervent radish]

oh i see

no yeah, the ripped copies floating around seem to be earlier versions

[cursive prairie]

I just unlocked aspect of beowulf lol

Like i get it, you can lowd casts with the shield, but for what? That thing that takes 3 seconds to load up but only does like 250 damage? Really

Its just 100 damage, for all that loading, and the casts do their own separate damage

The exalibre looks cool though, especially the aura, this is REAL aura

Thinking of chiron aspect, there isnt much difference between hera and chiron, like hera does 150 and chiron does 124, thats not bad really, especially considering that special actually becomes useful

[unreal mason]

Mainly the fact that you can shoot casts and retrieve them quickly:
Also damage is bugged on beowulf in a way that makes pomming casts super powerful (also mirage shot is also bugged on most beowulf casts so that it does 2x damage rather than 1.3x damage)

So you're able to basically just 1shot everything: https://youtu.be/Y9eGb4vZiSc?feature=shared&t=935

[lethal dock]

Guys do i beat em4 just like tanking or actually wait

[tepid light]

depends on your build, but i think in most cases you're better off waiting and being cautious rather than tanking everything

unless you're doing tight deadline

[lethal dock]

Tight deadline is on yes but when i play calmy this dude just regens everything

Whats a good build for it

[tepid light]

when he starts healing just wail on him with everything since he can't fight back

[tepid light]

you don't need a specific build to deal with em4 alone

more just a matter of timing and practice

as so many things are

[lethal dock]

Yeah probably

[lethal dock]

Since they banned discord here is there like a new beo speedrun

[fervent radish]

?

[old bluff]

What are you talking about?

[low dove]

I just notice that i cant auto aim my special like normal atk in the setting

It always shoot toward the cursor

Anyone knows how to fix this ?

[latent moon]

I thought pom bug was only exclusive to Dio cast

[latent moon]

Well you're testing it without boons, and without a boon your cast does 50 damage which kinda sucks
Also you should be loading casts faster than 3 secs. Min charge your dragon rush and dash strike into it

[livid wasp]

May I ask

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[fervent radish]

On average, Beowulf benefits more from poms

🗿

[livid wasp]

I was on wrong channel

[latent moon]

wdym

other than the fact that casts just scale well with poms, but that isn't a bug

[fervent radish]

Like if you average all of the cast, Beowulf benefits from Pom bug

Even though it’s only active on trippy

[latent moon]

i mean sure but also that's not entirely useful lmao

that's not "beo gives more cast damage" that's just "pom bug is broken"

[fervent radish]

It was a badly setup joke lol

[latent moon]

oh lmao carry on

[noble quail]

hey quick question: is titan blood... finite? like, if I spend it all on gemstones, will i be able to get it back?

[mint coral]

How do I get more blood
beating the first boss for the first time with a weapon will net you one blood.
final boss drops another + after that you unlock the best way to farm blood.
other sources:
trading for it at the lounge:
1 ambrosia for 1 T.blood is always there.
15 keys for 1 blood which is super good
list of minor prophecies.
Charon may sell one blood for 1200 gold at the last area shop

[twilit lodge]

It’s not finite

[jagged hamlet]

Ain't no finite resource

[mint coral]

blood through the pact of punishment eventually runs out but won't happen anytime soon

[twilit lodge]

But don’t spend too much of it on gems, because after you finish all the bounties it becomes slow to gather more

Spending one or two blood early on to boost the insufferably slow early game gemstone drip is fine though

I think it costs 1000 gemstones to trade up to a blood

[noble quail]

ohhh ok tysm! i am now going to buy gemstones so i don't have to beat the stupid bone hydra to get Orpheus

[twilit lodge]

If you buy vanquisher’s keep as soon as possible from the house contractor that will help you with gem income as you play

[noble quail]

haven't unlocked that yet. doing the prophecy that gives 4 so i can sequence break a bit lol

[still patio]

How much of Hades do i need to play to go onto Hades 2 if they're connected story wise. like how many complted attempts do i need to need to understand the story for Hades 2?

[latent moon]

Technically speaking 0 lol

[still patio]

well that makes easdier

[latent moon]

They're connected in the sense in that it's the same world and gods mostly

[stiff obsidian]

much better if u play h1 tho

[latent moon]

But like story wise it's not directly connected

[latent moon]

True tho

[vagrant nacelle]

he just wants to do achievemtns

[old bluff]

Wrong channel

[mint coral]

Follow stickybot

[tepid plover]

Sorry stickybot, I failed you

[jagged hamlet]

The Zagreus diet: gyros, pomegranates, and fish

Very rarely and

[unreal mason]

don't forget centaur ❤️ which he eats plenty.

[dim musk]

its just so peak

...

[twilit lodge]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

StickyBot will always post that message immediately after the first message from anyone after a certain amount of time has passed since the last StickyBot message. It shouldn’t surprise you by now

Accept the stickybot

[stiff obsidian]

Disgusting when you think about it

[tepid light]

Hey now, nothing wrong with organ meats

[ivory lark]

201 hours into the game and finally 100% it... i think this calls for a celebratory tattoo. any ideas?

[tepid plover]

[ivory lark]

LOL ill have to take this into consideration!

of course with bouldy's permission

[tepid light]

The sigil of blood

[ivory lark]

I don’t want anything super basic, I’d like some detail added to it. But great suggestion!

[tepid light]

Detailed tattoo map of all three biomes stretching across your back

[ivory lark]

Honestly that sounds really cool, not sure if I’m ready for that type of commitment though. Definitely will keep that idea on the back burner though

[tepid light]

It'd be barely half as complicated as the kinds of things that yakuza members do, it'd probably just be an issue of price than anything else

[ivory lark]

It’s just more so that it would take up quite a bit of space on the back and I’ve been waiting for the perfect idea for a back piece, I love hades, not sure if I love it enough to give my entire back to it

I’ll still keep the idea in mind regardless, I honestly never thought of it and it sounds really cool

[tepid plover]

[tepid light]

Perfectly understandable, as you said it's a lot of commitment

[dim musk]

nope never

...

YK WHAT LIL BRO

[tepid plover]

You mess with stickybot, you mess with me

[dim musk]

i shall annouce the banning of stickybot

BRO CAN NOT DO THAT 😭🙏

[dim musk]

oh hell yeah

hmm 🤔

just the top of my head you could maybe have the bone hydra wrapped around your arm, like your bicep

and maybe have a weapon perices its head when the ends meet?

[tepid plover]

Or bouldy

[dim musk]

peak

yup

i advocate

[jagged hamlet]

I vote for this as tattoo:

[stiff obsidian]

no

ugly emote

wouldnt tattoo that if you paid me

[jagged hamlet]

W-what?!

[jagged hamlet]

How about the laurel crowns that both Hades and Zagreus wear?

[twilit lodge]

Cerberus tattoo

[dusky swan]

What does Bouldy's "ambiguity bonus" do?

[mint coral]

Everything

(nothing)

[dusky swan]

Ah gotcha

[noble quarry]

think im finally getting somewhere with the house
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1070191912562208818/1298375285556777020/image.png?ex=671955b6&is=67180436&hm=c847e3014ca6f83058e18b0a6546128a8e2172ce4a85c1a9e4b8361376913355&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=662

[stiff obsidian]

yo hades hades

[noble quarry]

now need to save up for falling petals and the chair after which i can focus on west hall in earnest

[burnt stone]

If I use the last stand boon while all my death defiance is full, do I get an extra death defiance?

[stiff obsidian]

no

[noble quarry]

got the nendroids and the cerberus plush wonder if i should get more merch

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1298384135554994186/image.png?ex=67195df4&is=67180c74&hm=b0145b53813b5867238c79a405bc464553d782b07a2077b0b7607cd76badc8d9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=793&height=541

[stiff obsidian]

get a life sized skelly statue

it will be peak

[noble quarry]

find the irl pact of punishiment and get him

[burnt stone]

How do you start using the other modes of the weapons?

[old bluff]

unlock every weapon

[burnt stone]

How do you unlock every weapon?

[gentle venture]

Wait

(Literally)

[stiff obsidian]

waiting

[gentle venture]

As you play runs and unlock the other weapons with keys, the rest will pop up

There’s 6 weapons altogether

[burnt stone]

I’ve unlocked spear and the bow and shield. There’s no more weapon slots

Are you saying the other two weapons only appear through random chance?

[old bluff]

Do a run and die

It'll show the next weapon

[noble quarry]

just do a run maybe pick the new weapon just to be sure

[gentle venture]

Thats funny cuz i was just about to come in here and ask about how to unlock the weapons as fast as possible

I’m gonna start working towards the platinum of hades and i’m gonna be starting a fresh file and racing two friends for the trophies

Once i have the extra dashes and thick skin, I’m probably gonna run the same heat setup for every run on every weapon, so i think EM2, Benefits Package 1, and Jury Summons 1 for i think 6 heat?

[stiff obsidian]

em2 and timer

[gentle venture]

Thats the setup i’ve been using for almost every run nowadays cuz i need to get my heat up on more weapons
I think ive cleared it with the shield and fists so far so i gotta go back and do the rest

once i clear that with every weapon i might switch it to EM3 to start training myself for that new fight

[stiff obsidian]

jury summons is just straight up more enemies there are many pact options that are much less impactful

[gentle venture]

Well what would you argue is less impactful cuz old me wouldve said “just do heightened security and get that one athena trap boon cuz for some reason they cancel each other out” and called it a day

I had sort of figured that extra enemies was kind of not that big of a deal in the long run when it came down to it because of the fact that if I’m doing enough damage, it’s like they’re not even there anyway

[stiff obsidian]

I thought your intent was to get through runs as quickly as possible

Something about a race to platinum iirc?

[gentle venture]

Oh i suppose in that context yeah

I hadn’t thought much about it

well what would you recommend then

benefits package seems like a solid fit cuz those benefits mean nothing if they’re dead

extreme measures is like free heat once you have the new fight patterns down

[stiff obsidian]

Underworld customs is always a free one as long as you remember to have a recycle boon in hand

If you average 20 min -25 min runs deadline2 should be free heat as well

Even if you play around the 30 min mark deadline1 gives you 36 mins per run which should be more than enough to work with

[gentle venture]

oh that’s ridiculously easy, i didn’t know it was that forgiving

[stiff obsidian]

Granted it is only one heat at the first level though

[gentle venture]

Even deadline 2 might not be that bad, might cut it close with dad though

Well yeah, but in the hypothetical of running a consistent 6 heat until 6 isn’t enough for every weapon for every run, that can replace jury summons and be an entirely negligible change.

[stiff obsidian]

Yeah

[latent moon]

If you're racing ngl I'd learn fo2 asap

6 heat and makes your runs faster

And low-key makes normal runs before you beat the game easier bc your reactions are faster

[hoary ember]

something so funny about 11 euro skelly vs 30 euro dusa.. dang skelly no one want u fr

[jagged hamlet]

What?! No! Everyone wants him! He's just humble

[cursive prairie]

Im convinced that fated authority is better than fated persuasion

Just yesterday while playing i rolled twice and got daedelus hammer

Which is actually a big upgrade, plus i can always roll from one god to another god that i want, makes for diversity and higher chances of duos

I’d say that fated authority gives you control over game rng to an extent because even if rewards arent good you can always pick the best available one, or rerolling from average/mediocre rewards ljke health or cojns to better ones like god boons or poms

[tepid plover]

Rerolling into a hammer isn't a big deal, you're pretty much guaranteed 2

It depends on what you're looking for. Most people already have a build in mind, so they will force a God with keepsakes. Then used fated persuasion to look for the boons they want

[cursive prairie]

I use the keepsake that levels up one boon every 4 encounters

Tartarus i use artemis then switch to that one afterwards

God keepsakes just guarantee one boon, i see more use from keepsakes other than that

[tepid plover]

They are good to lock the god in your pool

Both rolls are good, but in the grand scheme of things, fated persuasion will help you more

You can also use fated persuasion to not only reroll but also refill the well of charon, which has really powerful items

[mint coral]

Re rolling hermes and chaos is also a huge deal

And protection vs underworld customs

[tepid plover]

also if you're running ap2 you can prevent rng from further screwing you by offering a sacrifice and taking out a core boon that's supporting 3 other boons

[cursive prairie]

I dont really dive much into boon discussions and all that, i think its a rabbit hole, i just go with what looks to be better

[tepid plover]

That's fine, at the end of the day you use whichever you like the most

[mint coral]

For the last part, coins are still super good tho lol

But yeah fair if you like Fauth more

[cursive prairie]

Doesnt golden touch drop a ton of coins

[mint coral]

Most people use deep pockets

[tepid plover]

but you basically cant spend anything during the entire game

the point of golden touch is to buy the meta currency at the end imo

[mint coral]

Or people who meme hoarding slash

But yeah gold is best at the start to begin your build

Golden touch to give you gold needs you to not spend it

So like, bleh

[fervent radish]

Once you have your god pool locked in, you’d just much rather be able to get certain boons from gods to complete your build rather than change what reward you get

[cursive prairie]

I mean i like different aspects of different gods, zeus, poseidon,aphrodites, ares, artemis etc im definitely open to the idea of picking different boons that are beneficial rather than just one god
Some gods have boons that are general, ares has doom, demeter has chill, poseidon had dash damage, artemis is bow centered, dionysus has hangover so im focused on picking those type of boons

[fervent radish]

Oh yeah, I don’t mean only one god, but once you take 4 gods, that’s your god pool for the rest of the game

And a good build shouldn’t have more than 1-2 core boons

[stiff obsidian]

[fervent radish]

And a handful of supporting secondaries

[cursive prairie]

You can swap though
I honestly dont know much about core boons and stuff lol, i just picked up the game and started playing

[fervent radish]

You can’t swap gods but you can add them

That’s fair, there’s very few circumstances where authority is stronger than persuasion though

Not to say it’s not fun, but it’s just so random what you get that it’s not that much utility

[cursive prairie]

I mean swap boons

Yea but most times, getting a god boon or pom is better rather than simply health

[fervent radish]

Very unreliable lol

[fervent radish]

Meh, depends on the context

[cursive prairie]

In the case of health yes ideally i’d want to level up the boons as much as possible especially the ones that are simply numbers instead of percentages because percentages have diminishing returns

[fervent radish]

Yeah but even the numbers have diminishing returns

Also it depends on where you are in your journey tbh

And how much heat

People’s first clears usually have a ton of health just because they rank hits until they win

If you’re trying to speedrun, poms are almost always optimal

[old bluff]

I feel you are severely underestimating the impact of the control of things like Hermes with Persuasion

[cursive prairie]

I know about hermes
I heard about the bonus damage from bonus speed thing

[fervent radish]

That alone is enough to make persuasion optimal tbh

[stiff obsidian]

persuasion works for poms and charon wells too its just too strong

[cursive prairie]

Then again even the question of rerolls
Its 8 or so that i start off with, and the reroll stone requirement increments by one for each persuasion

[stiff obsidian]

that just proves how much more valuable persuasion rolls are over authority

[fervent radish]

Rolling more than once is usually not a thing

Unless it’s for build-making things like mirage shot on Beowulf(for a bugged 2x damage), merciful end, or jolted

[cursive prairie]

But what if you dont get what you want on first roll

[fervent radish]

Roll again if you really want it that bad

[cursive prairie]

Or second

[fervent radish]

You just take it and move on

You could spend all 8 rolls and not get the door you want

[stone rune]

you could use pers

and not worry about this

[cursive prairie]

So on the golden laurel door, if it has say heart as the first reward, you have a 2/3 chance of obtaining something useful such as a boon or a pom on a reroll

Because they have five rewards, hammers, boons, heart, poms or coins

Hammers only appear twice

Or once even

[stone rune]

is it based on bag

if you have multiple poms in your bag is that a higher chance of getting the reward

[stiff obsidian]

boon isnt always useful

the moment you go for a certain build 90% of the boons are just stuff to avoid

[fervent radish]

Yeah but the other door is probably coin or god lol

Also with hammer you’re almost guaranteed two anyways

With AP2, you’d rather have the roll to deny a really bad chaos curse or boon replace too

And instead use keepsakes to control god pool

[stone rune]

they should make an option that disables hearts from generating

[gentle venture]

I’ve thought that for a while, persuasion is good for when you want a specific build, but Authority is great in tart when you just really dont want that one god behind that door, or when all of your options are resources you don’t need in that moment

They also tend to come in handy in styx if you’re sorta low on max health, i tend to save a few to reroll a chamber or two into centaur hearts

I’ve recently been switching back and forth, persuasion would be better if it also had 8 rolls like authority

Depending on what you’re going for it’s possible that you could reroll for ONE specific boon and not get it with all four rolls

Meanwhile, if i run into demeter or aphrodite or poseidon in tart when i have a dio/artemis/ares run planned in my head, i can yeet the god i don’t want and considerably improve the run, at least from an enjoyment standpoint

[stone rune]

persuasion is better in every situation where ur going for objective performance

if ur just like doing fun stuff then maybe pick auth idk

[cursive prairie]

Does it include seeding? I know you can determine room rewards by doing certain thinfs

[gentle venture]

I guess persuasion can be good if you’re trying to clear out stuff in the fated list, cuz it can reroll the charon thingies, too, right?

[lavish sorrel]

persuasion is always optimal anyway 😌

[fervent radish]

I think it’s a little weird to consider quest clearing in what’s optimal

Also yeah

[fervent radish]

Nah

[latent moon]

persuasion would be broken if it had 8 of them

[jagged hamlet]

It honestly feels like Fated Authority becomes totally useless beyond Tartarus once one learns RNG control, understands room selection, and generally gets good at builds and combat

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[gentle venture]

Damn, it doesn’t?
So when i go for the platinum, i gotta get flame wheel release by pure luck again?

[fervent radish]

What

[gentle venture]

I can’t reroll the charon thingies, right?

[fervent radish]

You can

With persuasion

[jagged hamlet]

I hope you see Meg sooner than run #130

[gentle venture]

Oh then what part of my thing did you say “nah” to

[fervent radish]

The message I replied to?

[gentle venture]

Yeah

Oh the 8 rolls thing

[fervent radish]

Yeah persuasion is better than authority even with 5 rolls

[latent moon]

and you only get 4!

[fervent radish]

Am I dumb

I thought it was 5 ngl

[gentle venture]

I guess I never really looked at it that way because I’m never really going for something specific

[fervent radish]

I think you should implement some of the build control strategies we talk about in a run. I think you’ll appreciate the meta much more

[gentle venture]

The only things I really plan for going into a run or what are my first two gods lol
Persuasion cant stop me from not getting who i want

Thats how ive always operated anyway

[jagged hamlet]

Builds only really need the two

[fervent radish]

Yeah

Or one

[gentle venture]

well im planning a kinda stupid one that might need 3
Remind me, what are the meta fists?

[fervent radish]

Dem

[gentle venture]

i know that makes my username ironic, but its genuinely been so long since i used fists other than gilgamesh so i want a change of pace

[fervent radish]

Anything except Gilgamesh 🗣️

[gentle venture]

i walked right into that one

and meta rail is eris, right?

[fervent radish]

Or hesty

[gentle venture]

right

[fervent radish]

Lucifer is also strong

And Zagreus is fine because it’s a rail lol

[burnt stone]

How do you start unlocking aspects of weapons?

[gentle venture]

im thinking about running something like artemis/dionysis/aphrodite on fists later tonight once im out of work but i’m not sure what exactly im going for

[fervent radish]

All weapons unlocked first

[gentle venture]

Once you have all 6 weapons unlocked

[fervent radish]

?

Like dio attack?

[burnt stone]

How do you do that?

[fervent radish]

It’s fine, Zeus or ME will be much stronger though

[fervent radish]

With keys

[burnt stone]

No I mean the secret weapons. The gauntlet and the gun… I’m reading on the wiki that you need specific dialogue with specific character? Is that it?

[fervent radish]

Yeah for the hidden aspects

[mint coral]

Check #h1-story-discussion pins for that

If you mean the hidden aspects

If you mean you don't see the fists or rail to buy with keys, unlock all your current weapons then after the next run the fists should show up

[gentle venture]

I was thinking dio on dash to do artemis on one of the others

[burnt stone]

No just regular aspects

[mint coral]

After you buy the fists and do another run the rail should shownup

[stiff obsidian]

[jagged hamlet]

What a rollercoaster!

[fervent radish]

No 🗿

[gentle venture]

Cause I know Aphrodite has highest damage % raise on every attack, right?

[fervent radish]

Dio dash is one of the most offensively bad boons in the game

I would not put aphro in this at all

Dio attack, tidal dash, and arty special

And look for Zeus cast and call, sea storm

At that point you might as well play Zeus Attack and look for rod lol

[gentle venture]

problem is i dont like tidal dash cuz im weird, and i don’t like zeus cast cuz if i aim my cast at something i want it to stay there

[mint coral]

If you are dash striking often I would go dio attack too

[gentle venture]

if i had a nickel for every time my zeus cast chained OUT of hades during the boss fight, i’d have enough money to buy the game again

[mint coral]

If you like standing attacks I'd prob do arty funny enough

Use the +50% from RR to compensate for low %

[fervent radish]

Try dio cast into scintillating then

[fervent radish]

It’s supposed to do that

Boiling blood isn’t really useful in an flat damage build

[gentle venture]

I don’t know i had always figured more damage is good regardless of the situation

And in the context of fighting hades, i’d want it on him so i do more considerably damage to him with all 3 casts loaded in him

[mint coral]

Boiling doesn't stack with more casts

[jagged hamlet]

Boiling Blood is some extra damage, but it's not too significant anyway

[gentle venture]

Wait it doesn’t?

[mint coral]

Imagine if it did

+150% to attack and special without boons

[gentle venture]

Oh, so the benefit of having more is just to increase the duration of the effect?

In the context of using it on a singular enemy

[mint coral]

If you don't throw them at all once yeah

If you do that's like a 1-2s extension?

[gentle venture]

This whole time I thought that the benefit of having three would be doing more damage

[jagged hamlet]

Life is often disappointing

[gentle venture]

Then again, there was also a huge point in time I didn’t realize that nearly every single cast, except for (i think) Aphrodite and Demeter still do the lodging thing

So maybe i just dont know things lmao

[latent moon]

yeah it's just 4 lmfao

[mint coral]

Dem/ares/dio are the non lodgings

[latent moon]

bro used ri for so long he forgot basic mirror numbers

[gentle venture]

Oh aphro still does?

[latent moon]

yeah

[gentle venture]

But the range is so bad why even bother

right

[latent moon]

bc it's good on hera

[mint coral]

Hera mostly

[gentle venture]

dio too or no?

[latent moon]

slight argument for pos and achilles but mostly just hera

[mint coral]

Which funny enough let's you shoot it at angles where it doesn't lodge

[latent moon]

if your'e doing dio hera you might as well do dio beo

[mint coral]

(I think you can do it w/o hera too, just harder)

[gentle venture]

whats the actual build for dio beo other than festive fog?

[mint coral]

Mirage + poms

[latent moon]

pos cast and that yeah

3 boon build

[mint coral]

Usual mirage bug and dio beo has an extra bug

Poms are double of what's shown

[latent moon]

oh wait you meant normal build for trippy beo not like normal beo build lmfao

i can read

dio pom bug is funny

[mint coral]

Also you want at least +1 cast bad

1 cast stygian kinda stinky

[lethal dock]

??

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[fervent radish]

What does any part of that sentence mean

[gentle venture]

I only recently started to like understand festive fog

I always wished his cast was just hangover

[mint coral]

Ehh

[gentle venture]

but thats just cuz i have always been like a religious hangover user

[lethal dock]

Translation for “Since they banned discord here is there like a new beo speedrun”
They banned discord here so is there a new beowulf hades speedrun

[fervent radish]

What

[jagged hamlet]

I still don't understand the connection between the two halves of the sentence

[old bluff]

Banned discord? You mean like dissent?

[stiff obsidian]

what

[latent moon]

i think what they're trying to say is like

[gentle venture]

But thats also cuz i used to religiously use priv status, so i’d run dio/ares with aphro or dem as a third

[latent moon]

discord got banned from where they are so they couldn't keep up with the hades stuff or whatever

[lethal dock]

yes

[latent moon]

and was wondering if a new beo wr got dropped or something

[stiff obsidian]

that is a very interesting way of phrasing it

[jagged hamlet]

If correct, Bananas is a genius

[lethal dock]

why

Discord is banned here is there a new speedrun is confusing? Idk

[latent moon]

the issue is "new speedrun" is confusing lmao

[stiff obsidian]

there are always new speedrus

[lethal dock]

oh like

New record ig

[old bluff]

Discord banned is also confusing as we are discussing this on discord

[stiff obsidian]

i could open the game and do a new speedrun rn

[jagged hamlet]

It reads as well as "Since I ate PB&J for breakfast, did jazz post this morning?"

[stiff obsidian]

ah

[lethal dock]

do it

[latent moon]

what's stopping you

[lethal dock]

Technically im not “here” right now???? Idk

out of country

[gentle venture]

lets see someone speedrun hades mobile with only touchscreen controls

[jagged hamlet]

My brain's about to melt out of my head

[latent moon]

i'm fairly certain someone did that but idk how i'm gonna find that lmao

[stiff obsidian]

[latent moon]

there's a mobile sub6 but it was done with a controller hooked up to it

[lethal dock]

Sanity is not a valid answer

[stiff obsidian]

just use a vpn

works everywhere

if u mean russia/turkey

[lethal dock]

good tip

[latent moon]

they got an 11:24 lmao

on beowulf

[stiff obsidian]

[latent moon]

rt95 moment

[gentle venture]

Damn thats pretty good

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217113665128370187/1295812482195263550/IMG_0915.png?ex=6719e62a&is=671894aa&hm=96083b9978d05e5a5f96552b955f85a73ee8297fd912f28a9bad1b8d5e1c3722&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=902&height=676

that was done like last week lmao

also no cshot lmao

[fervent radish]

Wild way to phrase it

[mint coral]

@wind hollow the titles are post credits thing and too lazy to spoiler mark

But yeah they are a pure comsetix chance for when you have nothing else

[gentle venture]

Are there any specific strategies for em3 Theseus and asterius i should keep in mind? I’m thinking about going after them with an artemis/ares/dio build tonight

[mint coral]

There's like 50 ranks?

Needs 325k darkness + a bit of everything else

[stiff obsidian]

yes

im back at 170k darkness

[gentle venture]

Probably on fists

Or maybe the spear

[mint coral]

Just take a bit more spacing for asterius's shockwaves and don't get cornered by his attacks and Theseus bonbs

Theseus is just annoying to chase around most of the time

[gentle venture]

So i’ve heard

[mint coral]

And if you use acorn he can destroy it really quick for paper dmg

So mind that

[gentle venture]

I tend to save that for dad

[mint coral]

Is not a once per run effect

If you don't swap you get the shield again in dad

[gentle venture]

Not gonna lie i just never really thought about it cuz i tend to put other stuff on in elysium

[twilit lodge]

Discord got banned in turkey and russia

[long jetty]

How many escapes do you have to complete to complete the story?

[mint coral]

10 to roll credits, random for epilogue

[long jetty]

Huh. Not as much as I expected.

I'm 2 down, 8 to go then.

[rustic vale]

Getting to the credits is only like a fraction of the game’s content

[long jetty]

Friendships? That's all I can think of for now.

[rustic vale]

there are 21020 voicelines in game.

Epilogue, friendships, favours, things to unlock still, reactions, etc

And gameplay-wise you’re kind of in the tutorial for the game up to 20 heat

[long jetty]

Is there a checklist for 100% completion?

Not including seeing every voiceline. O-O

Just traceable stats and accomplishment.

[rustic vale]

Not really

If you get the Unseen One title legit though, you likely 100%’ed in the process

[long jetty]

Unseen One title?

Legit... is it just extremely hard to get or impossible with current knowledge of the game?

[rustic vale]

once you get to credits you can start using darkness and other resources to buy titles

[fervent radish]

It’s just time consuming

[rustic vale]

There are 50, unseen one is the last one, and to get to Unseen One you’d’ve had to spend 325k darkness + a ton of all the other resources just on resource director

325k darkness is a ton

I’ve 100%’ed aside from that and I’m only half way there

[long jetty]

Do you need to get each title 1 by 1 to unlock the next, or could you just skip straight to Unseen One?

[rustic vale]

1 by 1

[fervent radish]

It’s not a productive use of your time to chase it imo

Just do something else like speedrunning or heat and you’ll get it eventually

[rustic vale]

you’ll get every other objective way before you get unseen one

[latent moon]

title's themselves aren't hard to get, it's the fact that overall the resources is like 325k darkness that makes it "hard"

[long jetty]

Gotcha, thanks.

[rustic vale]

If you want to checklist yourself, the codex is the easiest place for the most part

It’s really

Codex, list of minor prophecies, and construction

If every page in your codex is fully filled out, each minor prophecy is completed and each work order is bought, you’ve probably got most things done

Oh and the keepsake case too since you could max out each keepsake

[twilit lodge]

Every bounty for every weapon is the bare minimum I would say you can consider for 100%, in terms of heat progression

Plus at least 1 32, for smelly

Skelly

Same thing

[rustic vale]

That’s like the Hades tutorial over

[twilit lodge]

True

Now the game actually begins

[fervent radish]

50 heat

[vague viper]

unseen one

[coarse pebble]

gifting hypnos enough nectar until zag says hes died on purpose every single time "just to see you" to hypnos KILLED ME

[whole lichen]

What are Skelly statues and how do we get them?

[lavish sorrel]

Skelly-statues are exactly what they sound like. At some point, covered statues appear in the courtyard that you can reveal by winning runs with a given heat-requirement. The two first give you an achievement and the last serves an exclusively aesthetic purpose.

[stiff obsidian]

cant lie that sounds ai generated

[lavish sorrel]

I typed that out myself 🗿

[burnt stone]

I saw a streamer play a run without any of the mirror darkness boosts. Why? Is there an advantage of playing with no mirror charges?

[mint coral]

Challenge run for the sake of it or they want the dialogue/run title for it

[burnt stone]

No it was a “64 heat run” no other parameters for the challenge were stated

[mint coral]

Oh lmfao

64 heat is every difficulty setting from the pact of punishment

One of the options turns your mirror off entirely

But yeah max heat is kinda super hard so is something that people grind

[burnt stone]

Yeah I’m wondering why they did that difficulty but also removed all the mirror bonuses

[mint coral]

Wdym, like they reset the mirror?

[burnt stone]

Yeah, no death defiance or anything… it’s this one

https://youtu.be/0mo-kXjasZs?si=sG6Ei8OHJIHj1kys

[mint coral]

Like I said, one of the difficulty modifiers is turning off skills from your mirror

Routine inspection turns off 3 skills per level you put on from bottom to top

At lvl 4 it bans all your mirror

So if you want to attempt 64 heat you need to do that

[burnt stone]

Oh okay. So it’s a must… I thought that they were doing it intentionally

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/S-VUzcJHWF0 this video explains a bunch of stuff about max heat

[lavish sorrel]

(insert funny comedic timing "haelian was wrong" joke here)

[stiff obsidian]

[mint coral]

Angel's thumbnail is so good

"you made haelian cry"

[burnt stone]

I’m struggling at just 2 heat so these guys are doing incredible stuff. I’ll just play to get the story with the mother completed and stop there

[mint coral]

Every 64h clearer is insane afaik

[lavish sorrel]

Most sane hades player 😌

[lavish sorrel]

Every 45+h clearer is insane afaik

[stiff obsidian]

real

i was thinking id do 64 after 62

[lavish sorrel]

Eris 64

[stiff obsidian]

could barely get past chambers with 1 dash with defiance

[lavish sorrel]

Operation become playad

[mint coral]

[stiff obsidian]

yeah i dropped any ideas of that within 10 seconds

[mint coral]

I'm def never gonna go higher than 55

[stiff obsidian]

i still cant even beat my em4 savestate, its so frustrating

[lavish sorrel]

I kinda want to mod my game and get 60 eventually but that involves me 1: wanting to play modded and 2: wanting to spend ages learning em4

[mint coral]

Come to zag shield

[stiff obsidian]

pass

[mint coral]

I still have 0 clue how that worked out

[stiff obsidian]

dont have to spend ages learning em4

trust

[lavish sorrel]

I do not believe you

[mint coral]

Just yolo it

[stiff obsidian]

i did it without even beating my savestate once

[mint coral]

Don't get the bad summons and get the boons™

[stiff obsidian]

literally this

[lavish sorrel]

Of course the classic "clear once after an eternity of brainrot attempts and do not learn anything from it"

[stiff obsidian]

yes

literally me

no

[lavish sorrel]

No not you fs

[stiff obsidian]

do i play h2 now or 62attempts

[unreal mason]

If you want to mash buttons you play h2, if you want to get mashed by buttons you do 62attempts.

[tepid light]

TRUE

[noble quarry]

now i can play hades in style
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069822685531623424/1298999497346781214/PXL_20241024_131254979.jpg?ex=671b9b0e&is=671a498e&hm=bc0a6755fb423afc1d75a154403c098fe94c8c25be6af9ecf702481d0cc0ce13&=&format=webp&width=880&height=662

[sharp jasper]

When were the hidden aspects released during Hades development cycle? 1.0 or during early access

[fervent radish]

It’s not actually that bad

Obviously other pact options make it worse, but strong aspects can do it pretty well

Took me maybe 5-10 hours for my first clear on Zeus?

[stiff obsidian]

of what

60 attempts?

[fervent radish]

It’s all about finding the rhythm. A lot like fresh file

Savestate

Em4

[stiff obsidian]

oh

i still cant beat my damn savestate

idk how many hours i got to put into it

[fervent radish]

Tbf this was a broken build savestate

[fervent radish]

And if you ever want, I can send you over the savestates

Btw your message got nuked, so idk what you said

[stiff obsidian]

bro will proofread his message 3 times before sending and then edit twice later as well

[lavish sorrel]

ff EM4 just felt like a pure reaction-time test on half of the attacks (except you replace "a pure reaction-time test" with a swear word)

[stiff obsidian]

bs

[lavish sorrel]

👍

[stiff obsidian]

😌

[fervent radish]

That’s because it’s fresh file 😔

[fervent radish]

Alex?

[lavish sorrel]

the 1-dash problems partly transfer to high heat zeus though

[fervent radish]

Nah

[lavish sorrel]

and also FO2 EM4 still terrifies me

[fervent radish]

0% true

Well maybe 1%

[lavish sorrel]

no idea how I cleared it for my beo 50

probably having too much damage helped

[fervent radish]

If you misplay your cards and end up in a bunch of pots, you’re less able to just dash to the other end of the arena, but that should rarely happen

But having bullrush iframes and block means you have a pretty natural response to anything the game could throw at you

[lavish sorrel]

too bad 80% of my zeus dad experience is with cshot lmfao

[fervent radish]

So over

You’re a good player. With guaranteed ER and aphro special, you will pick up Zeus pretty quickly

And you can get to 58 without needing EM4 after all

But I have a feeling you’d probably want to play with Zeus special

[lavish sorrel]

yeah likely out of habit

also I'm not gonna use FBE for the sake of submitting it to src too (though it'll be slow as heck)

which plays in favor of zeus start too I think

[fervent radish]

You could feasibly do Zeus yeah

Just needs jolted earlier

And then earring aspho is probably necessary to stay on pace

Even with epic and jolted, the 40% is kinda nice

[stiff obsidian]

i almost never take earring

but i dont play zeus isdk

[fervent radish]

It’s nice

What do you usually do for aspho

Also earring only really works on Zeus. I usually take Athena on aphro special

[stiff obsidian]

tooth

[fervent radish]

Fair

[stiff obsidian]

except i never proc it

so idk

once i took plume

[fervent radish]

Just take earring

Bruh

[stiff obsidian]

and got epic rd

[fervent radish]

O ok

[stiff obsidian]

idk tooth is just a failsafe

earring isnt as effective on eris

[fervent radish]

Why

[lavish sorrel]

eric already kinda has double the global damage buff that earring provides

much more enjoyable to not die

but yes earring is likely correct

[fervent radish]

Oh you right

I forgot how eris works

Earring probably still correct

Could honestly take Athena

Big value

[stiff obsidian]

u know what

athena call is basically a run winner if u manage to get jolt too

i should do that

[fervent radish]

Yeah

Just learn lernie

[stiff obsidian]

i dont die to lernie

[fervent radish]

Oh ok

[stiff obsidian]

half the time its hitless actually

[fervent radish]

Yeah then just take Athena

[maiden trail]

hi, does chaos boons count as actual boons?

im trying to get the no boons special dialogue

[latent moon]

nope

you can take chaos boons

if you have unsellable boons then that's fine too

like premium vintage

[maiden trail]

does that lock me out, or no?

[latent moon]

you can still get it

[maiden trail]

aite bet thanks

[latent moon]

if you can't sell the boon, then you're chill

[maiden trail]

[cloud tusk]

In the Permanent Record (stats), is the weapon use accurate? I have ~98 escape attempts but only show 51 "uses" for my weapons. Fewer if the "clears" aren't a separate count.

[twilit lodge]

I don’t think it counts lv0 aspects

I noticed some discrepancies on that section not too long ago too

Also, clears is not a separate count on any of those stats

[tough sapphire]

Hey guys, thoughts on the enemy nerfs in the recent patch?

damn, im illiterate

[mint coral]

have you used god mode before

it tracks some stuff apart

[rustic vale]

Successful clears are counted in your escape attempts

God Mode is the main reason I can think of for discrepancies

The same thing might happen if you import a savefile? Ik it does it for the speedrunning save

But I’m pretty sure if that’s just the speedrunning save being set-up like that intentionally so your own runs are the only ones you see

[glossy frost]

Hi guys, my name is James. I'm new here.

[round gorge]

Hi

[glossy frost]

Hi

[tepid light]

Hi James

[glossy frost]

@tepid light Hello

[stiff obsidian]

[dim musk]

hell yeah just got my first sub 15 on heat 5 while grinding titan blood

...

with just zag fist at that, nice!

[tepid light]

congrats!

[glossy terrace]

Is there any way I can re-play or just load a specific boss encounter for practice? Mod is fine if one exists. Thanks

[lavish sorrel]

If you're playing on pc, while during a run, if you haven't taken damage since the game last saved, the game's current state (room, build, lives,...) should be stored in Documents\Saved Games\Hades\ProfileX_Temp.sav (with X being the save slot you use)

Copy that and paste it somewhere else for storage-purposes. Alternatively, there's a savemanager somewhere if doing it manually sounds too complicated.

[stiff obsidian]

once you do it a few times it it doesnt feel complicated

[glossy terrace]

That seems simple enough. Thank you

Worked with no issue

[cedar phoenix]

oh woops wrong channel

[mint coral]

pls remove the message

[cedar phoenix]

lmao sure

[barren aurora]

thank you robot

[fervent radish]

Savestate manager is still easier once you learn it imo

[rustic vale]

Crazy

[lavish sorrel]

Is it? I don't like it, to me it doesn't feel like enough control over what happens

You press a button and then stuff occurs but one can do nothing with it other than what the tool was made for

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1299393357067325651/pPM5Orm.png?ex=671d09dd&is=671bb85d&hm=3d903f6deb19f5f5d78447e061797e0a23e039c06cb89f7f42618e7ba8962e99&

my saves setup

just click move to bin then ctrl v to paste the save

repeat when dead

[fervent radish]

Once you have a savestate library and want to use one over and over again. It becomes easier to quit out and press a single button than to transfer the file manually

[stiff obsidian]

dont work on mac

[whole lichen]

I was just dumb and didn’t take notice of three giant covered things up until tonight lmao

Unveiled them all together

A grand opening, if you will

[burnt stone]

Is there a minimum number of runs you have to do before Achilles unlocks Guan Yu?

Like I’m following the instructions of the wiki and after unlocking 5 aspects I’m doing run after run and Achilles isn’t unlocking it

[lavish sorrel]

It's called "get lucky" once you complete all other requirements

[burnt stone]

Anybody else get kinda emotional the first time you beat hades? Like the dad.

It was kinda surprising at first when I first reached him and he beat me… But then after a few runs when I finally first beat him I actually felt bad… Like despite him having killed me before, and all the arguing, it felt bad to kill your own father

Anybody else feel that?

[fervent radish]

I was just happy I beat him

[lavish sorrel]

Rather faint memories here due to how long it's been, but I remember being relieved that what I thought was the whole game was over

If only I knew...

(We are now about 2180 hours later...)

[stiff obsidian]

nice

hopefully i get to quit before 2100 hours

i am at 2080

[fervent radish]

Significant hourage

[fervent radish]

You’re gonna quit at 62?

[stiff obsidian]

what is left

[fervent radish]

I’m

[stiff obsidian]

actually nah ur right

64 isnt impossible

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[stiff obsidian]

would practice hypermodded for quite a while to get +dash asap

[fervent radish]

I wouldn’t blame you for just trying to do a hyper 64

[stiff obsidian]

oo that works too

i only considered it for practice

doubt ill get to that levle tho

[fervent radish]

Honestly if I was playing one of the needier aspects (everything except Zeus?) I’d probably just want to do a hyper 64

But Zeus doesn’t really benefit from hyper so here I am

[stiff obsidian]

wont be surprised if playad pulls out a hestia ri4 62

in the next 4 months

[fervent radish]

Ig

I think Tim has a better chance though

Depends on whether he wants the non hyper though

[stiff obsidian]

does he try that stuff thouhgh

[lavish sorrel]

Tim has done hyper hesty 62

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[lavish sorrel]

That wasn't a question

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[fervent radish]

🗿

[twilit lodge]

You’ll get way more emotional once you beat hades (the game)

[rustic osprey]

How do i unlock meg's locked heart/give her ambrosia

[tepid plover]

It sort of happens on its own, eventually she will collect her stuff from your room, then after fighting the furies a bunch she'll says she's only doing it cause she has to

[rustic osprey]

Ah alr

[glossy frost]

What are the recommended upgrades from the mirror in h1?

[lavish sorrel]

Do you mean the first things you should unlock, or do you mean the recommended mirror setup on a maxxed save?

[glossy frost]

The recommended setup

[lavish sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280885571224604758/1299499630517682266/image0.jpg?ex=671d6cd7&is=671c1b57&hm=e027341831913fef7d59617e0c17c0f537824a15c06dbe911424201a80e63bc0& this'd be one's average speedrunning mirror setup

Some of these choices can be changed depending on aspect, but you'll not be called insane for running this on absolutely every aspect

[twilit lodge]

Swap high confidence for thick skin for casual play

Otherwise the rest are the same

[glossy frost]

Yeah, I have max thick skin

[lavish sorrel]

And for high heat you (except for 2 exceptions) want to swap to stubborn defiance

and I run stubborn defiance for faster run-resets but I'm not in the majority here

[glossy frost]

Should you also have the upgrade that takes 30% of darkness to heal?