#h1-discussion

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feral verge
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Well thanks for the discussion peeps, I'll be omw to Olympus. Might take me a month lol

latent moon
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nah i give it 3 days

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easy

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just win

old bluff
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This is why Beo is better

feral verge
rustic vale
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Hmm

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Reminds me of frosty flare

old bluff
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Scratch tech go brrrr

latent moon
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world splitter zag sword unfortunately has merit to it

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icy flare does not

old bluff
rustic vale
latent moon
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yes

rustic vale
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Nevermind in AlexCA we trust

latent moon
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lmfao

old bluff
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Absolutely

rustic vale
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I actual value the AlexCA win over

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the arthur cursed slash

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I’m just biased

old bluff
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Alex and Poshboy are both Goats 😌

latent moon
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false side also did world splitter zag sword

rustic vale
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3 people

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Replicability is cool

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@lavish sorrel Do I move world splitter up to Niche Heat use whenever I get to fixing the sword tierlist

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or higher then that

stiff obsidian
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yes 🗣️

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got me my zagsword clear

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i think for zagsword its better than dedge

narrow loom
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beooo

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I got to 32 heat theseus

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eris rail

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died tho

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the run was kinda doomed since asphodel. those asphodel mini bosses do not play

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the gorgon stone combo

old bluff
rustic vale
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That’s crazy

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Does it

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deserve it’s own tier alongside shadowslash arthur

narrow loom
rustic vale
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And also

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as someone who will be showing this tierlist to

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new players

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should I really be putting it

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high at all🙂

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like would a “niche high heat use” or “advanced play” idek

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just to indicate that

jagged hamlet
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Discord weirdos tier

old bluff
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God gamer tier?

rustic vale
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“3 insanely skilled Hades players used it at 50 heat and told me it was good so it get’s it’s own tier, since it’s kind of an outlier”

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Also

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bruh

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anyways

old bluff
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This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

rustic vale
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wai

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That was false

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Nevermind

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😔

rustic vale
old bluff
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But only god gamers use Zag sword at high heat

rustic vale
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“4 God Gamers using Zag Sword” sounds like a good tier title

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Oh yeah I was gonna learn how to make a website

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I’ll see when I have the time

old bluff
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Who is the fourth?

brisk trail
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who are the hades youtubers?

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A cant find icebergs or teirlists or lore explanations

stiff obsidian
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id only watch haelian for hades yt

old bluff
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Don't trust Hades youtubers for builds

stiff obsidian
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you could watch high heat or speedrun vods but thats not content focused

brisk trail
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vids

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A only want lore,icebergs,tierlists,theories

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Am a halo fan Am used to several hour long lore videos on very niche aspects of the games

rustic vale
rustic vale
brisk trail
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that cant be right

rustic vale
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It could be me if I had the time and the equipment and didn’t really hate the idea of my identity being online

stiff obsidian
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hades youtube is dead i think

brisk trail
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every game has fanatics who make piles of content

rustic vale
brisk trail
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oh well

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
rustic vale
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I think I’d be fine recording my voice

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Like

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eh

brisk trail
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blood and darkness its hard not to curse

stiff obsidian
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who pinged

brisk trail
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me

rustic vale
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Why does Blood and Darkness get past the curse 🫡

brisk trail
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and swore in the msg so it deleted

rustic vale
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I pinged

brisk trail
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oop

stiff obsidian
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thats 3 hours ago

rustic vale
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That was 20 minutes ago

latent moon
rustic vale
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see

latent moon
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the game is pretty fleshed out and afaik there aren't any plot holes?

rustic vale
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when it comes to Hades information like

brisk trail
latent moon
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like everything is accounted for lmao

rustic vale
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You’re either here or you’re out waddling in the stone age

brisk trail
rustic vale
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with reddit and gaming journals

brisk trail
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rip

latent moon
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sgg has a playlist of like the dev process or something lmao

brisk trail
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hades is so awesome and gay, it has a disco elysium level of undernoticedness

latent moon
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oh there's some video out there that's like

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how hades's original game was gonna be called minos or something idk

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIk8Y9qkYx0&pp=ygUaaGFkZXMgb3JpZ2luYWwgZ2FtZSBtaW5vc10%3D

YouTube
ThatGuyGlen
How Hades Was Made and Why its Early Concept Didn’t Work

This Hades documentary details the development of the indie game Hades and goes behind the scenes of its creation. Discover how Supergiant Games, the creators of Bastion, Transistor and Pyre, prioritized a transparent and inclusive development process before they even had the idea for their first roguelike dungeon-crawler. The documentary also e...

▶ Play video
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only 20 mins tho if you're looking for something longer

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but yeah there aren't really any lore vids bc well

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all the lore you need is in the game

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in the codex or just by talking

stiff obsidian
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yeah its pretty straightforward

rustic vale
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There ain’t much Hades lore to be found outside of whatthe game gives you tizomg

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although

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21020 voicelines

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does give you

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Quite a lot

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if I did a hades iceberg it’d probably end up being a bunch of largely unknown mechanics and functions rather than specific lore pieces

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Like

brisk trail
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halo fans get ma plight

rustic vale
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I could always throw || “Ares x Nyx” || or something in lower i. The iceberg

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Because the game only mentions it like twice and that’s easy to miss if you’re a dialogue skipper

brisk trail
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thats the icebergs appeal

latent moon
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the only like

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speculation that's possible is what exactly happened before the game i guess

rustic vale
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@lavish sorrel is there dialogue for FF

latent moon
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the only weird thing is what shackle said about ||ares x nyx|| thing lmao

stiff obsidian
latent moon
rustic vale
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yeah

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I mean FF in itself

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Could be a whole part of the iceberg like

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most people don’t get far in it and most people don’t remember it well

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so they wouldn’t like know x and z

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also idk how many people really understand that zag is throwing himself out of his window because he can’t/doesn’t know how to open the front gates

brisk trail
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Am willing to support the patreon of whoever does it first

latent moon
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from my guess the FF dialogue is just generic "first meeting" lines until the dad fight

stiff obsidian
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i dont think anyone is motivated enough

brisk trail
rustic vale
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See

stiff obsidian
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which window

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what

rustic vale
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I’m motivated right now at 11:30pm when I’m far from home

stiff obsidian
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am i missing something

rustic vale
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The one zag throws himself out of to start runs

stiff obsidian
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thats a window? wtf

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
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they are gates tho

rustic vale
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That’s why he hits the ground infront of the doors to the house of Hades

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no he falls

latent moon
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i thought that was just a ledge and not a window

old bluff
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I think it is a window

rustic vale
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You can see in the openning animation he hits the ground

stiff obsidian
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time to check

rustic vale
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He does fall

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whether it’s a ledge or a window, I don’t think most people really ever think about it

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or understand why that openning animation

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I wonder if you could deep dive into any of the characters designs

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huh

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ok this sounds really interesting

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I have to do a few things for uni this summer

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And

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I still want to get that Hades Hammer website built

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But this could be

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a fun side project

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Would give me a reason to play through that Hades story again

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although

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Hmm

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That’s probably a question more appropriate for the Hades modding server

void vigil
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its a window, zag has a voice line that says "can escape from the pink window over there"... yknow... in case people dont find it lol

brisk trail
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modding server?????

rustic vale
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Unless any unsuspecting SSG employees have clearance to lemme see a copy of the script since I’ll want to have all the voice lines zagpls

void vigil
brisk trail
old bluff
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Damn, AD beat me to it

rustic vale
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It’snthe first pin

old bluff
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Second

rustic vale
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Oh no it’s the second

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The second of 2

brisk trail
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there better be skyrim style mods/j

void vigil
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hyper realistic onion

old bluff
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Get the Steve mod!

rustic vale
rustic vale
brisk trail
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that server is a mess of computer words so A left it

brisk trail
rustic vale
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There are more channels

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Bruh stickybot

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There are more channels to it

brisk trail
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too confusing theres nexus anyway

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might get the easy fishing mod

rustic vale
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But yeah since it’s modders talking to modders you end up with a bunch of computer speak

brisk trail
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dark magicks

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sidenote: good riddance sung by orpheus kinda sounds like zag to me

rustic vale
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There’s a “bow fixing mod” that just makes bow overpowered and half the comments on it are like “thanks I needed this bow was so weak” and it just hurts my soul

brisk trail
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he doesnt sound like orpheus when he sings

brisk trail
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cant touch it it hurts

old bluff
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😦

brisk trail
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shield is boring but its actually useable without difficulty

rustic vale
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The bow is my favourite weapon, it’s just that most people tend to play it wrong bouldy

old bluff
rustic vale
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nd build it wrong too while they’re at it

brisk trail
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SGG shoulda made a better bow mechanic

rustic vale
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!?!

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what

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I can’t imagine a better bow mechanic

old bluff
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They did. It's called dashstriking

brisk trail
void vigil
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either way i dont see how hades lore videos could work considering the lore is greek mythology
everything in the game is presented quite clearly, there are a few very conditional conversations and such but nothing iceberg worthy. by playing the game enough you can know all of it with some greek myth knowledge
your best bet is the noclip documentaries and other interviews, as well as the minos video up there that goes into some detail with it

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the rest is mostly the gameplay scene

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and theres some trivia and explanations on the wiki

rustic vale
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Screw it

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Gimme my

old bluff
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And there it is

rustic vale
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Bow is smooth

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It just needs dash striking

stiff obsidian
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can you get jolted off lightning reflexes?

rustic vale
brisk trail
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but any gamer sweat can get really good at any mechanic

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for the layman if it feels bad intially the fate is sealed

rustic vale
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~it’s a rythym game

stiff obsidian
brisk trail
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thus Gun/Fists/Spear being much more used from what A see

old bluff
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No other prereqs for jolted are needed

rustic vale
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anything that proks lightning of sny sort

brisk trail
rustic vale
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Can get u jolted

brisk trail
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not really tho cuz the games music is peak

old bluff
brisk trail
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good riddance sung by orpheus is PERFECT(totally sounds like zag tho)

void vigil
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i have so many hours in the game (some gamerism done) and i still cant vibe with the gun
it really comes down to personal preference, its not objective

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its the same voice actor (darren korb, who also does music and audio for the game)

brisk trail
old bluff
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150 is a bad stat?

brisk trail
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A use zag fists/zag spear/zag gun

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
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150 is the highest base damage in the game

rustic vale
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How would you redesign bow to make it a better mechanic

brisk trail
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the gun is straight up cheating imo but they added it so who cares

void vigil
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im trying to say there is no bad mechanic

brisk trail
stiff obsidian
brisk trail
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other games have it n it works however those were 2d soulslikes

rustic vale
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Run and fire would be interesting but it’d be impossible to control after a hypersprint and some ichors

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actually just hyper sprint in general

brisk trail
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high sens tf2 players are laughin at ya

void vigil
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well ||more mechanics that they were not technically able to implement in hades 1 are now in hades 2||
the old newsletters and some q&a from an old channel went into some detail irt gameplay and lore decisions

brisk trail
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the bow stoppin u in ur tracks for primary fire was abad idea tho

rustic vale
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eh

brisk trail
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does hades 2 have a gun

stiff obsidian
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all weapons require you to stop while attacking

old bluff
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Every attack makes you stop

brisk trail
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yeah the bows on charge tho

rustic vale
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it’s hardly an issue when you’re dash striking anyways since you’re constantly moving and shooting where your strikes come out so much faster

old bluff
brisk trail
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the rest u basically are moving in the attack animation anyway

rustic vale
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The standing strike certainly stands to be redesigned

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since

brisk trail
rustic vale
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it’s unusably slow

brisk trail
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so damn slow

void vigil
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flurry shot is gun 2
but like the gun, you need to stand still for it

brisk trail
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every other weapon works well

old bluff
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Standing dashstrike go brrrrrrr

brisk trail
old bluff
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Hera is the second most reliable weapon in the game

void vigil
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also disco elysium got huge, same as hades, so im not sure what you were mentioning earlier accord_think

rustic vale
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tbh though like with god keepsakes

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pretty much every weapon is reliable

void vigil
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hera bow aphrodite cast save me....

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carries too hard

old bluff
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Only beaten out by Beo

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Castpects are too OP

void vigil
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i also dont vibe with beo

brisk trail
void vigil
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but thats bc i played hera for 973948 runs in a row so it felt like a different game

brisk trail
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its very underground tho in a way

rustic vale
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Beo’s far too long before you start charging up at all

old bluff
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May I introduce our lord and savoir Charged shot?

rustic vale
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idk about charged shot I dislike having to wait that like 5 seconds from striking to rush charging

old bluff
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God, I love Cshot

brisk trail
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A think hades/disco elysium caters to a particular type of person n that may be why theyr kinda underground

old bluff
brisk trail
rustic vale
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I dunno I remember Hutts playing Hades back in EA

old bluff
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Not those castpects

rustic vale
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that’s what even got me to learn about Hades in the first place

brisk trail
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demeter is very based, like that shes maybe the only honest olympian?

rustic vale
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Uh

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Artemis

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Best girl?

old bluff
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Hestia 😦

rustic vale
brisk trail
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A found hades via """fanart"""

stiff obsidian
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🤨

brisk trail
rustic vale
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Idk if Hermes ever lies to you

rustic vale
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Don’t get biased just cuz you can romance them

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Artemis is defo best gurl

stiff obsidian
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i unironically hate dusa

void vigil
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what the

rustic vale
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I think like

brisk trail
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BLOOD AND DARKNESS

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this is tough

rustic vale
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Dusa’s personality is just

void vigil
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you get used to it pretty quick

brisk trail
rustic vale
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missing a lil something

brisk trail
rustic vale
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or her story

stiff obsidian
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i hate the voice its so anoying

rustic vale
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Does being scottish also mean you type I’s as A’s

brisk trail
old bluff
brisk trail
rustic vale
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Y’know

brisk trail
rustic vale
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I’m

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50% scottish

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My grandparents moved over

brisk trail
void vigil
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i swear a lot when talking to my friends but theres a time and a place

rustic vale
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I swear like once in a blue moon zagmad

stiff obsidian
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im not even going to say

brisk trail
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the only time not to is infront of children you arent related to

void vigil
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i actually started swearing way less bc now i just dont see the need for it

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unless i die in a multiplayer video game. bring out the big guns

rustic vale
void vigil
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and here you dont avoid the swear filter zagsad

brisk trail
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swearing is just punctuation, seasoning

void vigil
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not for everyone

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but anyway. hades huh

old bluff
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I love Beo

rustic vale
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Blood and Darkness

brisk trail
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yeah dusa is hallow

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shallow

stiff obsidian
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meg suckkkss

brisk trail
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she is very dating sim

stiff obsidian
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ughfh

rustic vale
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honestly like

brisk trail
void vigil
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as some of you may know, this channel (and category) is for discussing the first hades game and you shohuld go to #h2-discussion to talk about hades II

rustic vale
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never played a dating sim in my life but I’d

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kinda imagine it would flop

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if the characters were shallow

old bluff
stiff obsidian
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a 1st biome boss being able to deal 100 dps to you when ur max health is 75 is criminal

rustic vale
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Aren’t the characters like

brisk trail
rustic vale
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115% of a dating sim?

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That’s all there is to it

brisk trail
void vigil
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the problem with dating sims is that because the romance options must be introduced as love interests that are into the MC, it has to be a somewhat rushed relationship
unless your dating sim is 30 hours of character and world building before the rest

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well, this is kind of what hades does LOL

rustic vale
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ideally

old bluff
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I'm just a speedrunner I barely did any of the story lmao

rustic vale
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yes

stiff obsidian
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this game sucks

brisk trail
rustic vale
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why is it that

stiff obsidian
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because i just died

rustic vale
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that’s something super common to hear from like

old bluff
rustic vale
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the highest people in a game

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or not highest

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There’s a better word

stiff obsidian
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yeah im super high

void vigil
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with the most playtime or challenge runners?

rustic vale
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yeah

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Like

void vigil
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well, you burn out

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i burned out a little bit when grinding titles, but when i was done, grinding mirror felt super fun

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because i refunded it for the titles

rustic vale
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Ig

void vigil
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i took breaks many times during early access too

old bluff
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Honestly, as someone in that top % of players, I can say that I don't really have fun just playing the game anymore

jagged hamlet
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Is like doing sports for Olympics training

old bluff
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I need to have an extra challenge or something else for me to even play the game

void vigil
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thats when its time to move on to another game, theyre supposed to be fun 🤔

jagged hamlet
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Unless eports athlete

old bluff
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But I no have sub 5 yet, so me stay

void vigil
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i dont really play h1 anymore
im on the visual novel grind again 💪 💪 💪

rustic vale
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Like

jagged hamlet
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Visual novel like...FFXIV? 👀

stiff obsidian
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i got h2 and after 2-3 weeks of grinding that it made me break my long hades 1 inactivity streak

void vigil
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dont let anyone ruin your day. ruin it yourself by playing overwatch competitive

stiff obsidian
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and now im back on the allspects 50 grind

old bluff
void vigil
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(i dont play comp)

rustic vale
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of course your day sucked you decided to come home from work and play competitive valorant and put all the rest of your energy into a game that has stakes to you

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and lost it because that’s just how it goes

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Sure the nights where you win are rad

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But

void vigil
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i need to get on with XIV, i was playing with friends and when they stopped i lost motivation as well

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but ill come back eventually

rustic vale
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you lost and now you feel defeated after a day’s work and your solace from work failed u

jagged hamlet
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Testosterone swings zagsad

void vigil
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when i lose 2 games in a row or get absolutely crushed i stop playing

rustic vale
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Just play something more relaxing

void vigil
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i want to have fun not be miserable

rustic vale
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casual gamemodes exists for those nights

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better games exist for that

old bluff
rustic vale
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Come play minecraft with meeeeeee

old bluff
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You just get mad and play worse

void vigil
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yeah that game used to be hades for me
i actually have not played much of any game this year, except for unfortunate overwatch

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im trying to get back at it! by playing 3 hour max games. LOL

brisk trail
void vigil
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how so

brisk trail
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minecraft still peak

void vigil
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i have never played minecraft

rustic vale
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I have this

old bluff
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What

jagged hamlet
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AD, no!

rustic vale
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cool space blackjack game on my phone

old bluff
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How have you never played minecraft

jagged hamlet
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I am so disappointed. I thought AD was peak nerd

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Illusion. Shattered.

rustic vale
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AD how have younnever played the 3d terraria demo

old bluff
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AD needs to be more peak nerd

void vigil
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not my thing. and let me tell you this -- i didnt even enjoy stardew valley

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stressed me out so much

jagged hamlet
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Well, fair actually LOL

void vigil
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not even the sims zageyes

old bluff
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I've never played Stardew valley tho

rustic vale
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Stardew valley would stress me out tbh

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Guys Baldurs gate is stressing me out early game like bouldy

brisk trail
rustic vale
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I got it the other day for steam sale and I’m like

brisk trail
void vigil
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soooo old

jagged hamlet
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ACTION ECONOMY

rustic vale
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sititng here chapter one flajnting over every option

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and choice

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I’m not concerned about the combat because

void vigil
jagged hamlet
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Oh.

rustic vale
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I’m kinda a giganerd for 5e

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and

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a good chunk of combat theory transfers over

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I’ve kinda steamrolled combats

jagged hamlet
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Touch the wrong thing and a million tieflings go poof!

rustic vale
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Including killing that demon dude on the ship and these catacombs

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but

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Every dialogue option

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I’m too people pleaser for this

jagged hamlet
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Lae'zel disapproves

rustic vale
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guys I just want Lae’zel to like me the most

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but

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everything she likes is like

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what everbody else dislikes

jagged hamlet
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AD coming back to smack us ruuuuuun

rustic vale
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It’s a juggle and I’ve ended up with slightly negative relations with everyone and I just didn’t touch the game 😔

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after that

old bluff
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We cooked boys

rustic vale
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AD when is Hades Tower Defence coming out

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I wonder if I sent a professional email to SSG if they would send back the script

jagged hamlet
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Ya gotta bribe 'em

rustic vale
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Because I’d rather not have to like datamine the game and collecting that via raw gameplay

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would be

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excruciating

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while possible

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I’d want to die

old bluff
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Sleep prob has the script somewhere

void vigil
stiff obsidian
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Htd6

narrow loom
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32 heat theseus and minotaur keep killing me

rustic vale
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BTD5

stiff obsidian
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6

rustic vale
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Nah

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I’ll hold my ground

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I’ve played both for way too many hours

stiff obsidian
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Can't be more than me 🗣️

rustic vale
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I like the everything about btd6 but it just ain’t 5

rustic vale
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But I’ve got my fair share in both snd

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while btd6 was initially very new and refreshing and 3 design paths

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I’m just so lost with it nowadays

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Where I like btd5’s kinda solidarity

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like

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idk

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I like being able to take my silly monkey building which uber buffs one monkey type while nerfing another

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and the agents/powers actually improving as you use more?

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Banana farmers shooting bananas on the track ain’t something I’ve seen in BTD6

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Actually

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For that matter

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I haven’t seen it in Hades either

stiff obsidian
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Why would you see banana farmers throwing bananas on the track in Hades

rustic vale
#

Where are my camo regrow reds in Hades

void vigil
#

CLEARLY you have not reached the secret banana throwing minigame

rustic vale
#

Back off to the modding server

rustic vale
#

super excited to though

void vigil
#

you have to eat 999 red onions to unlock it

stiff obsidian
#

Been there

jolly moss
#

For hera’s bow, what does upgrading the bloodstone drop time do if you have Stygian soul?

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Unless I’m misunderstanding something, is there no reason to upgrade it?

stiff obsidian
#

Usually you want to run infernal tho

latent moon
#

and upgrading it would actually be very helpful

narrow loom
#

idk why hera is so awkward to use for me

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and also 32 heat is driving me insane

stiff obsidian
#

whats your pact and mirror

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usually the biggest culprits

fervent radish
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Also build

narrow loom
#

but 1 sec

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gotta pull the game back up

stiff obsidian
#

nice, furies with epic drunk strike lvl 2 and ddash and hammer and uc fodder, keyboard for somereason kept pressing the down key and it threw the fight for me

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stuck in the bottom right of the room

brisk trail
#

thanatos being northern irish is oddly fitting

narrow loom
stiff obsidian
#

hmm

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yeah dont use RI or AP

narrow loom
#

ok forced overtime was supposed to be 20% only Idk why it's 40

stiff obsidian
#

whats your best time/s

narrow loom
#

my best time was 16:48 with fists, but it was low heat

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i struggle with the timers

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7 is my limit and 5 is impossible (I could probably do better but idk)

brisk trail
#

fists seem really good for speedrunnign

stiff obsidian
#

then td2 is good enough

twin thistle
#

Ri and ap are horrible please dont use them bouldy

narrow loom
stiff obsidian
#

are you using eris?

narrow loom
#

yes

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I got furthest with eris

stiff obsidian
#

eris is good

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free damage control as well

narrow loom
#

tried others and they didn't compare so I think i'm gonna keep trying with eris

stiff obsidian
#

you start lightning strike right?

narrow loom
#

yes

twin thistle
#

Generally its put on benefits package 2 and do lc4 hl0 with sd

stiff obsidian
#

yes that should work

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benefits package for the most part is free

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until it isnt, but we dont talk about tha

twin thistle
narrow loom
#

lc4?

#

does that completely disable healing

twin thistle
#

Just dont get slugger speeder elysium dudes or seeker witches

#

You can still heal with stubborn defiance

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And you can heal quite a bit if you get touches of styx or patty and its pretty safe if get athena dds

stiff obsidian
#

it makes rooms really easy, but bosses a bit harder

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but thats what acorn is for

twin thistle
#

Either that or you pump up hl or do td3

stiff obsidian
#

i think with the amount of leniency stubborn gives you can do td3 with js0

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and then you can turn off hard heats like em3 if you want

rustic vale
narrow loom
#

how can I fix the mirror

rustic vale
narrow loom
#

what is js0

rustic vale
#

Tbh the mirror is actually fine aside from dark regen but at 32 heat they may as well be interchangable

rustic vale
#

or rather Jury Summons 0

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Bloody keyboard

stiff obsidian
#

.

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test

rustic vale
#

.

stiff obsidian
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test

#

.

#

.

rustic vale
#

testing testing 124

stiff obsidian
#

lmfaoo

rustic vale
#

Anyways False you could’ve read like

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4 messages down

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😔

narrow loom
#

i've never used SD before

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should I try it out

stiff obsidian
#

yes

rustic vale
#

Try it out on like

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20 heat

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0 healing is something youoften need to adjust

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to

#

and you don’t want to try to adjust to it while you have to manage every other aspect of 32 heat

twin thistle
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Like do a bit of practice with lc4 em3 fo2 td3

stiff obsidian
#

sometimes o just eat sand

narrow loom
#

yeah I think this is something for tomorrow then

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I'll try out this advice

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but it's pretty late

stiff obsidian
#

me trying my best to just play

rustic vale
#

False what aspect

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Am I running

stiff obsidian
#

i?

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or you

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do you sleep

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no idea how i ended up in such a situation

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should i take poms for the singular call pom, rarity praying it hits hermes strike or nectar for potential +dash/rare atk/athena lego

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and now i have 5 dashes

narrow loom
#

TBH kinda miss playing hades 2

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but I want to finish 32 heat before going back

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and also I want updates

twin thistle
rustic vale
#

And no

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I don’t sleep

stiff obsidian
#

i have dio aid

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and now im offered dio strike (rare)

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do i take it

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
#

considering im in mid elysium without an attack boon

rustic vale
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Ok but do you want to throw your call damage any time you attack

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Or do you want to be able to charge up a call at all

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Could always just pray for athena strike

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Or

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Ares

stiff obsidian
#

rip another promising run

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
#

the first two waves were greatshields 😦

rustic vale
#

Should’ve just got better iframes

stiff obsidian
#

agreed

rustic vale
#

I use a random number geneestor to figure out my next aspect and

stiff obsidian
#

should call during dash cooldown

rustic vale
#

it was Luci again

stiff obsidian
#

i think you cant deflect the greatshield spin attack

lavish sorrel
raven hatch
#

I cant seem to get two type of boon from chaos is that normal or is there a recquirement beforehand?(for the prophecy I cant get furious and rebellion)

lavish sorrel
raven hatch
raven hatch
#

for the demeter boon that boost our damage when we dont have any cast left,does it count if the cast is loaded by an aspect as no cast left?

tepid light
#

so having all your casts loaded into hera or beowulf etc. will give you the dmg bonus

raven hatch
tepid light
#

it is indeed

stiff obsidian
#

It is indeed 😌

raven hatch
#

what exactly await me in em4 ?

brittle crown
#

Hello

raven hatch
#

hi

brittle crown
#

Does anybody know where I can discuss about improving mine time?? My pr is 13:59

mint coral
mint coral
# brittle crown Does anybody know where I can discuss about improving mine time?? My pr is 13:59

https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI this one is a classic

YouTube
SleepSoul
How to Speedrun Hades - Basic Guide (2022)

Community Discord: https://discord.gg/uAvy8W3RdC
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raven hatch
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whats the p3 like?

mint coral
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Same moveset as p2 but less visibility

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Same effect as when tisiphone is helping during the EM furies fight sometimes

brittle crown
raven hatch
mint coral
raven hatch
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NOOOOO

mint coral
#

Tbh p3 is the least of your worries

raven hatch
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there is country with death penalty for less than that...

mint coral
#

Same as normal dad, p1 is the most annoying one

stiff obsidian
#

P3 is actually enjoyable

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Except for skull shockwaves that you never know about until they hit you

raven hatch
#

less visibility scare me

mint coral
#

Turn up your brightness

stiff obsidian
#

Yeah but it makes it thrilling

mint coral
#

I legit do that sometimes lmfao

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Makes the victory screen look awful

raven hatch
#

Istg the bull of minos need to be put down

stiff obsidian
raven hatch
#

em3 asterius should NOT live

mint coral
stiff obsidian
#

Ah

mint coral
#

I don't bother with high heat that much in general

raven hatch
#

wait wait wait he has achille's aspect wtf

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I got my ass whooped

old bluff
# brittle crown K thx

You could also join the speedrunning discord which is pinned in the self promo channel here

rustic vale
#

It’s been so long since I played em4

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I’d probably use it more often if I didn’t dislike em3 so much

mint coral
old bluff
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no, nah is expression of disappointment, not of disagreement

rustic vale
#

I just

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am displeased by that fact

mint coral
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Lmao fair

stiff obsidian
#

wait thats why p2 feels easier, you can keep track of him

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for regular hades i mean

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i never really paid attention to such stuff

dreamy mesa
#

the main thing is the change in his move/attack patterns in all phases, his upgraded summons, his call

stiff obsidian
#

so everything

twin thistle
twin thistle
stiff obsidian
#

i used a summon on them today

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or was it yesterday

#

either way. i used a summon on an elite strongbow summon recently

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felt good

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playing arti atk gilga feels weird

dreamy mesa
rustic vale
restive harness
#

It would be cool if instead of just skelly you could practice fight Achilles in the weapon room

rustic vale
#

so you never have to stop fighting him

restive harness
#

And Achilles fights back

dreamy mesa
#

so when you put blood in an aspect you do not automatically equip it

#

but when you give ambrosia to a companion you do automatically select it

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which is why half way through a run I tried to get meg to kill a butterfly ball for me

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and got skelly instead

stiff obsidian
#

😭

dreamy mesa
#

so then i tried to kill butterfly with hera bow

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and skelly absorbed all my casts

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becausse apparently they decided to make friendly fire a thing for that summon

#

which makes sense in the lore i guess

stiff obsidian
#

😭

narrow loom
#

why does every 32 heat guide have 5 minutes can someone explain

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i don't get how people do 5 minutes I sometimes run out with 7

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but 5 minutes seems to be the thing everyone does

stiff obsidian
#

i have an eris 32 that i intentionally play badly if you want to see and compare

narrow loom
#

alright sure

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
#

i do use the speedrun modpack in that i think so the first hammer and first boon will look weird

rustic vale
#

That’s also why they typically have hard labour 5 and lasting consequences 4

narrow loom
#

well I guess I kinda am

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I was progressing one by one until 16 and I got bored

rustic vale
#

I mean the best way to do it is to just take those modifiers you can’t deal with on lower heats so you can adjust to them without having so much chaos

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rather than turning them all on at once and hoping for the best only to die in tartarus and get a fraction of the experience with any of them

stiff obsidian
narrow loom
rustic vale
#

another thing that really helps with keeping your runs under 5 minutes is just making sure the builds you’re running are actually good

stiff obsidian
#

yeah in the vid i play unmodded, just checked

rustic vale
#

Oh “intentionally play badly” bouldy

stiff obsidian
#

i intentionally took a lot of hits too just to prove that theres a lot of leeway

rustic vale
#

Fair enough

dreamy mesa
stiff obsidian
#

yeah by 'badly' i mean taking a lot of hits , build wise and decision wise i played normally

dreamy mesa
#

and if you look at the other ways to make 6 heat at 32, they're nasty

rustic vale
#

Trying to make 6 heat up elsewhere would just be agregious

#

There are also just little things you can do to save yourself time

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Pausing when you’re at a fork between rooms so you can choose without bringing down your clock

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taking time saving rooms more often (shops, chaos, and story rooms)

stiff obsidian
#

eris with jolt in tart good appaarently

dreamy mesa
#

so does anyone else find the skull rooms in styx easier than the basic rooms?

stiff obsidian
#

i accidentally took tooth after getting an athena dd wow

rustic vale
#

Everything but the shade

stiff obsidian
dreamy mesa
#

i like having one boss i can focus quickly, rather than waves of respawn that can damage me unexpectedly

rustic vale
#

oh styx not tartarus

#

yes

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Take them

stiff obsidian
#

yeah the regular ones are very hard

rustic vale
#

Tony is the only real issue

stiff obsidian
#

lots of super annoying enemies

dreamy mesa
#

like i find i take way more trap and poison damage on regular boss rooms

rustic vale
#

I always take the 2 miniboss rooms first

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odds are you’ll find the sack in room 2, and if not odds are you’ll skip the last room of chamber 3 and never have to deal with a regular end room

dreamy mesa
#

so wait, why take them FIRST? I awlays thought, take the harder rooms first so you can get a heal after them and have the option to do other hallways after the heal with less hp loss

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or maybe at high heat you never take extra rooms

rustic vale
#

No you take miniboss rooms first so you have to take less of the regular rooms at all

#

You don’t want to waste time and you don’t want to lose chambers on your buffs

dreamy mesa
#

oh right, charon buffs

rustic vale
#

Particularly at high heat you can carry touch of styx dark through to the dad fight if it’s a 2sack

dreamy mesa
#

yeah i guess i usually feel like i'm ready to fight hades after i finish heroes, anything I get in styx is usually gravy anyways

rustic vale
#

and everything else like ichors and cast stones etc

stiff obsidian
#

i just play modded so the sack is guaranteed in 2nd tunnel 😌

rustic vale
#

And also just

#

particularly at high heat

#

Those regular end rooms are straight up just possible run ends

#

with

#

fo2 hl5 satyrs

stiff obsidian
#

yeah i died to a lot of them

dreamy mesa
#

yeah, so many satyrs

#

like you kill everything in the room, then a satyr appears offscreen and poisons you

stiff obsidian
#

the axe traps with hs do 150 dmg

dreamy mesa
#

lol

rustic vale
#

Also

#

At high heat

#

You don’t get the heal from fountain

dreamy mesa
#

i mean i noticed the boss rooms got a BIT tougher with middle management, but still prefer them to the regular ones

rustic vale
#

Around 32 heat+ you start running lasting consequences 4 for -100% healing

stiff obsidian
rustic vale
dreamy mesa
#

doesn't hte giant vermin get somesort of defensive buff from middle management

#

like a cooldown timer on damage or something?

rustic vale
#

What

#

Never heard of such a thing

#

Never noticed such a thing

dreamy mesa
#

ok, i hit him with multiple casts in a rama bow and it does less than it feels like it should

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mb he just has a stupid amount of armor

stiff obsidian
#

rama bow?

dreamy mesa
#

meg helps a lot

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not rama

#

hera

stiff obsidian
#

yeah usually u use meg on a ll minibosses

dreamy mesa
#

listen to what i mean not what i say 😛

stiff obsidian
#

there are setups to consistently hit them all the time

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even witches circle

dreamy mesa
#

i think its a slight up movement for heroes right

stiff obsidian
#

yeah

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kbm or controller

#

?

dreamy mesa
#

controller

stiff obsidian
#

yeah hit whatevr makes you go up ig

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on keyboard i just tap W then summon

dreamy mesa
#

saw that tip at gdq

stiff obsidian
#

wheres the summons guide vid

dreamy mesa
#

oh that'd be handy

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luckily meg is pretty easy to hit with

stiff obsidian
#

i think this is up to date besides witches circle

dreamy mesa
#

do you usually summon on witches circle?

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i feel like i don't have enough for every midboss

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though maybe you intentionally avoid midbosses

mint coral
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You skip the styx summon usually

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Meg tart/aspho/ely/heroes/dad

stiff obsidian
#

with middle management you skip bombers in tart too i think

mint coral
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I just ball and pray it hits all 4 bouldy

stiff obsidian
mint coral
#

In general or specific minis

dreamy mesa
#

mb 3 is an exaggeration but anyways

stiff obsidian
#

😌

restive harness
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I’m waiting for Bouldy to jump scare me

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Is it just me or is there no codex entry for beloved Bouldy?

stiff obsidian
#

[...]

restive harness
stiff obsidian
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spongebob was ahead of his time

dreamy mesa
restive harness
#

Love that response

dreamy mesa
#

i really love how after you talk to bouldy 3 times you can hear him

restive harness
#

Bouldy knows all

narrow loom
#

i got to the champions

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I beat minotaur

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got theseus to 25%

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died because time ran out

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Progress though I guess furthest I got

stiff obsidian
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are you taking timer 3

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if you are, make sure you arent taking any jury summons

narrow loom
#

yes I am doing timer 3 and js0

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so like

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timer 3 is possible

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I almost did it

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but I guess I just need to streamline my approach even more

stiff obsidian
#

you are taking every free room possible right?

narrow loom
#

yes

stiff obsidian
#

dont skip midshops and npc rooms

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also trials take longer so unless it has zeus and you need jolted dont take those

narrow loom
#

i think it's just my movement and kill times could be more efficient

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and maybe some luck

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there was no patroclus or thanatos that run

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or eurydice

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or actually no helpers Lol

stiff obsidian
#

😭 it be like that sometimes

narrow loom
#

patroclus would have saved the run for me tbh but he never comes when I need him

mint coral
#

Just a c34 patty away

narrow loom
stiff obsidian
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ive had like 6 gilga runs in a row with no patty now

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all dying to heroes or hades

narrow loom
#

gilgamesh is funny

mint coral
narrow loom
#

for giggles I tried using dash only gilgamesh for 32 heat

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I got to the champion

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s

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so it isn't even bad it's actually pretty good

stiff obsidian
latent moon
#

Except I used summons bc I forgot that's not allowed lmao

mint coral
narrow loom
#

are summons the companions

mint coral
#

Yeah

narrow loom
#

I've been kinda stingy

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I have like 40 nectar hoarded

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I just forget to gift

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and I also have no companions

latent moon
#

Lmao it do be like that

stiff obsidian
#

based

narrow loom
#

would probably be helpful to have meg's at least

latent moon
#

Granted it's a really good build lmao but it's def not as bad as it seems as a concept

#

Bc you're dashing a lot so you're relatively safe

narrow loom
#

Yeah

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asphodel is a nightmare for it though

#

always dashing into lava

fervent radish
#

Just don’t

latent moon
#

Lmfao

#

Kinda true tbh

stiff obsidian
#

i just died in asphodel

latent moon
#

The more painful part is the fact that aspho enemies jump a lot

stiff obsidian
#

to those boners

fervent radish
#

Yeah

latent moon
#

Unfortunate

fervent radish
#

🗿

latent moon
#

They're all bones

fervent radish
#

He wasn’t strong enough to endure the boners

dreamy mesa
#

how come you can say boner

stiff obsidian
#

CANT OPEN CODEX NOW!

dreamy mesa
#

ive gotten much less suggestive comments deleted

stiff obsidian
fervent radish
#

We can say boner all day long

stiff obsidian
#

low hp spawn all over

fervent radish
#

Skill issue tbh

latent moon
#

So not blue

mint coral
stiff obsidian
#

just run into you

latent moon
#

Oh the white ones

#

Bloodless

stiff obsidian
#

all bone no blood

latent moon
#

True

dreamy mesa
#

i ahd a ghost run behind the tombstones in the magma

stiff obsidian
#

i got a million of them , savior speeder

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on zagbow 50

dreamy mesa
#

it was like, impossible to hit without going out there to hit it

latent moon
#

Oh rip

dreamy mesa
#

then i had to go out there again to get the reward

mint coral
#

Gotta time travel to make sgg delete savior

narrow loom
fervent radish
#

That’s rough

stiff obsidian
#

bp can make the most tame enemies run killers

dreamy mesa
stiff obsidian
#

i wonder if i should start twin instead of flurry

narrow loom
#

my biggest issue so far with the 5 min timer is elysiuk

mint coral
#

You start flurry??

narrow loom
#

elysian enemies are such a time drain

fervent radish
mint coral
stiff obsidian
narrow loom
#

Delta chamber

#

Love ot

fervent radish
#

Delta chamber 34 Patroclus

dreamy mesa
#

oh

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CHAMBER 34

#

tha'ts what you all were talking about

#

im like wtf is c34

stiff obsidian
#

yeah lmao

#

its the last chamber in elysium before the pre-boss shop

dreamy mesa
#

the first time i read it i thought it said r instaed of c and thought you all were talking about something completely different

dreamy mesa
stiff obsidian
#

he appears in your runs?

dreamy mesa
#

oh yeah

#

usually to give me 3 dd

#

because i'll somehow lose 3 dd in tart/ash/ely and then i won't use any of them in styx

#

although i like his heal item more now, because it usualy lets you heal up before and after heroes

#

do chaos/hermes/deadalus count for family fav?

mint coral
dreamy mesa
#

so since non hermes gods cap at 4, family favorites gives 25% outside of manipulating in additional gods with keepsakes

stiff obsidian
#

Yes

dreamy mesa
#

do erubus gates offer boons outside your 4 gods or do they follow the normal room rules?

stiff obsidian
#

Normal stuff

#

They're like Styx mini boss doors

#

Boosted rarity boons/big pom or heart

dreamy mesa
#

i normally only take them in tartarus

stiff obsidian
#

Yeah

dreamy mesa
#

when you skip a blue laurel reward with chaos/erubus, does the run somehow account for this on your next reward?

#

or is every reward rolled totally independently

stiff obsidian
#

Chaos counts as a gold laurel reward I'm sure

#

And erbeus gates force the doors to be gold laurel as well

dreamy mesa
#

ah i found the page i needed

#

so the game doesn't punish you with fewer gold laurels for collecting boons etc, but it does give more gold laurels the more meta chamber rewards you collect

#

so for example, taking a double boon trial vs single boon, or buying 2 boons in a charon shop, doesn't impact the meta rewards ratio

fervent radish
winter marlin
#

can the chance of well of charon appearing increased in any way? like would having the charon keepsake somehow make them more likely to appear

stiff obsidian
#

No

#

There is some chamber science behind it which I'll let someone else explain

winter marlin
#

thanks, and i guess same goes for chaos apearing? or is it less likely to appear if im low health

stiff obsidian
#

Chaos isn't controllable either

#

But u can always buy an ix from a well

winter marlin
#

ive just been trying to get them chaos fish

#

one way to guarantee one would be if you had both chaos and well of charon spawn in same chamber, and get the guaranteed fish spot from the well

stiff obsidian
#

It does suck

#

Try to aim for pos lego

winter marlin
#

yeah, got it in asphodel but went trhough whole ellysium without a single chaos

raven hatch
#

em4 got me crying out of laugh I did not expect hades to summon cerberus

restive harness
#

Tarter sauce
Assphodel
Elyisidumb

mint coral
#

Cosigned cuz that was some real peak you just said

winter marlin
#

which weapon would you recommend to go with poseidon starting off then

mint coral
#

Yes

#

Any weapon can slap tidal dash on and call it a build

winter marlin
#

well yeah, just wondering if anything in particular

mint coral
#

Beowulf then

#

Pos cast > arty core (attack ideally) > mirage shot

#

The other weapons just slap tidal dash on and build from there

#

And ig there's always super soaker memeing

#

Luci rail, start pos attack and go for sea storm

winter marlin
#

im trying for the fishing legendary, som im stuck with poseidon trinket for first 2 floors at least

#

so ive been looking more for just poseidon