h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

It’s more of a side effect if anything

[jagged hamlet]

"Everybody can get sub 6"

[tired walrus]

I think I can get into sub10 with some practice, I just came across the chamber clearing guide last night so I think there's some knowledge I can still learn

[rustic vale]

I sub0’d I think I’m ok

[tired walrus]

i can't believe i'm saying this, but it's nice to see the adminstrative chamber

[rustic vale]

[tired walrus]

also the upgrade in graphics is noticeable, i only started playing hades this fall so I forget that it's actually like 5 years old

[rustic vale]

There’s a pretty good hades graphics mod

uhg

here

Found it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1206133674957864970/image.png?ex=664f9344&is=664e41c4&hm=b69712ea406243a601eeee5b3715c7f3f80ca6f007c6ccea8b7df87bd8fdf0bd&

[tired walrus]

saw that smash bros also has steve the other day, i'm glad steve-core is catching

[simple hollow]

I JUST GOT MERCIFUL END IN TARTURUS

[vernal willow]

best rail aspect?

[tired walrus]

people have a lot of fun with eris

[rustic vale]

they're all pretty solid

Hestia is typically your best shot for heat, and eris for speed, but they're kinda close in both aspects iirc

Every rail aspect is very different and has something for everyone

[tired walrus]

yeah i personally like hestia but i don't use the rail all that often tbh

[rustic vale]

Rail is one of the weapons that has the most
uniquely possibly builds across it's aspects.
Every base rail can take cluster bomb and/or triple bomb, add rocket bomb, and end up with a mighty base damage special shotgun.
every rail has a fast attack that just works great with zeus strike (I mean I wouldn't recommend it on hestia, but it's certainly an option)
Hestia is almost an entire playstyle shift since you're bouncing around hitting people with huge base damage shots
zagreus has it's own niche where it can take spreadfire the most easily if you want to use it like that
and lucifer is it's own thing
every rail has something good to offer the users of them, and each of them can be built for radically different functionality
Don't get me wrong, Rail isn't the Holy Grail of Hades, but it's one of the 6 weapons and every weapon has something going for it with some demographic of people

[tired walrus]

tail?

like from sonic?

[vernal willow]

minor spelling error

[jagged hamlet]

Tali? Like from Mass Effect?

[rustic vale]

nah that's plurar

[rustic vale]

yeah I messed up copy pasting my own messages

[tired walrus]

i genuinely thought it was a copypasta at first

not the holy grail but sometimes the unholy rail

[rustic vale]

I was going to make a joke about it but Hades has enough genuinely good copypastas in the community

[twin thistle]

Bestia rail

[rustic vale]

I can't sully them

[tired walrus]

huh i don't think i've actually come across one of those yet

[mint coral]

As someone with-

[rustic vale]

idk man as-

[tepid light]

I once done a Artemis and demerir build with the second upgrade of the bow and arrow 🏹 weapon and it was so overpowered especially if you get the legendary DUO aspect power up so I got the frozen beam and the hunter mark or something like that when I ever cast my ice beam they would seek the enemy

gotta bring this back if we're talking about copypastas

[rustic vale]

y'know what

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[tepid light]

is it weird that i sort of just agree with this

divine dash my beloved

[tired walrus]

so you guys have these in a .txt somewhere or

[rustic vale]

Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a boon with such an ability and damage with artemis? Support Fire puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a boon with its power and enhancement of the game again. Merciful End breaks records. Mirage Shot breaks records. Suppot Fire breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[tepid light]

nah, just searching back through the chat log

[rustic vale]

nah i just type "Idk man as" into the search bar

[mint coral]

I miss the rama special copypasta

[tired walrus]

i can't argue, just saw it's my most used boon

[rustic vale]

secret sauce

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1243067584815829022/image.png?ex=66502067&is=664ecee7&hm=265947f1af79747ffa3e2ca0dec3b546d85bb45d61a3a2e18c271ec61ba9f7bc&

[tired walrus]

thank you for sharing crucial community culture with me 🤲

[tepid light]

i've gotten so used to divine dash that on the rare occasion i use other dashes, i find myself shoving my face into projectiles and eating a bunch of damage because i forgot

[mint coral]

I mean is not false lol

[tired walrus]

yup, always happens to me the run after using divine dash

[tepid light]

also since i use heightened security, sure footing via athena is practically vital for my runs

[mint coral]

Game is pretty much tidal/divine in most cases

[rustic vale]

in the format of

topic | what to search to find it

[rustic vale]

the only ddash I use is drunken dash

[mint coral]

More like Ndash

[tepid light]

look out we got a hipster here

[rustic vale]

mainly because I don't have fated persuasion yet

and I only have ares and dionysus keepsakes on the new save

[tepid light]

if i wasn't allowed to pick divine dash or tidal dash, i'd probably go for either demeter or artemis dash

demeter because the gust can be useful

and artemis because damage

[mint coral]

I'd do ares on most probably

Artemis for the bows/nem

[tepid light]

ares dash would be nice too yeah

[tired walrus]

so i'm looking at the bottom of the any% unseeded speedrun table and it's seeming like if i just learn to use OBS i can get a colorful name on the speedcord

[rustic vale]

arte dash is fun

dem dash is cursed

[tepid light]

as i said, not my ideal pick

but the gust can help with certain things

[tired walrus]

like breaking the green vases during the dad fight :/

[rustic vale]

My issues with it is the same reason I have issues with sword

It’s just so directional

[tepid light]

yes, actually

[tepid light]

i'd sooner take it over something like aphro dash

[rustic vale]

fair

I won’t say I don’t enjoy it at times

[tired walrus]

i feel that, i would probably be so much more efficient with nem dash strike builds if i didn't miss half my freaking strikes

[rustic vale]

I’m just

idk

‘ get more value out of blade or drunken because of my playstyle

[twin thistle]

Just be retrash

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=664fe422&is=664e92a2&hm=0db7236fc82ca0aad7a0379e6c7258c4ff90ba5335b3cc1c3ae5643742a62b0c&

I would’ve got a solid 0 value

[tired walrus]

hmm now i really feel like trying for a sub12 on beowulf instead of doing homework that needs to get graded by tomorrow

[tepid light]

Do your homework

Playing games will feel far better once you don't have obligations hanging over your head

[last needle]

I see all these videos of people using mods to only get boons from a single god. Where can you get those?

[rustic vale]

hades modding server is pinned in #self-promotion

[tired walrus]

once i finish my homework i can't wait to find out how speedrunners manage to also have a life outside of optimizing routes

[tepid light]

haHA

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1243092881439457330/IMG_2634.png?ex=665037f6&is=664ee676&hm=737d6e1d7264d24b8dfbffb45631f1fc6304457fa281f13942aec4696663602b&

[jagged hamlet]

Bad jazz! Bad!
https://youtu.be/mhFQA998WiA?si=Rhyq50raCY6sEf5W

[steep comet]

What happens if I complete a run that exceeds my Heat limit?

[fading haven]

You get the reward for the highest heat you don't have the reward for, if I recall it correctly

[tepid plover]

Yes, like nightdarkwolf said, if your weapons is at 4 heat imand you complete a run at 7 heat heat you will get the rewards for 4

[tender tartan]

i love going around killing greek figures with a gun

[tepid plover]

ak mod when

[next ledge]

PREMIUM VINTAGE IS THE BEST BOON! And that by far far far. If you dont know what boon the ultimate premium vintage is, its the one that makes it so that if you pick up nectar you gain more max health. AND ITS AMAZING! These moments when you got the chance between a centaur heart and nectar, and your like “why not both”. BUT THATS NOT ALL! Premium vintage also gives you a nectar instantly, where the effect already applies. So you have moments where you can choose between a centaur heart, nectar or dionysus and your like “why not all three”. Or when you give Dionysus nectar and he is a real bro, the dude gives you back your nectar, gives you health AND makes it so future nectar also give health. Shout out to the best boon EVER! React if you are smart and know that premium vintage is the best boon, and makes Dionysus the best god! I really hope they make something like that in Hades II.

[tepid plover]

you almost had me until you said "chance between a centaur heart and nectar"

[mint coral]

Premium vintage is a free random pom and that's about it

They barely appear lol

[tepid plover]

i wont complain about a free pom, but yeah, nectars are so rare

and it makes sense, betwen 5hp/5gold/reroll or a pom, ill take a pom

almost a major find

full on major find if youre an ap2 user like me

since poms are affected by it

[mint coral]

I'd take reroll if late in the run

Pom pool probably bloated at that point

[tepid plover]

i dont really reroll, like ever

[next ledge]

I reroll Dionysus boons if he does not have premium vintage

[green lark]

Am I missing something on order to get the Achilles/Patrocleus prohecy? I have given them all possible nectars, I have completed the Sysiphus & Orpheus prophecies, I have exhausted all dialog with Achilles. I believe I need to wait for Patrocleus to give the message to "risk it all", but he never says it, everytime I visit him he says something else. Is there something in particular that needs to be done? This is literally the only thing I need to finish to get all achievements, I've even maxed out all keepsakes already. But this is taking forever to trigger

[tepid plover]

are achilles/pat/nyx giving you generic lines? or are they still giving you story dialogue

[green lark]

What exactly is story dialogue? Achilles and Nyx don't have exclamation points on them anymore, unless I add something from the house contractor to their location. Patroclus still has exclamation points when I get to him, but the dialogue is always something unrelated to Achilles, he hasn't mentioned Achilles in quite some time

[tepid plover]

yeah you cant really pick what dialogue they say, so just gotta wait for pat to tell you about it

[mint coral]

Yeah at this point is just run at patty until he talks

[green lark]

Appreciate the responses. It's just kind of annoying because he only shows up once every 3/4 runs in average, and then it isn't even guaranteed he says what's needed to move the quest forward.

[tepid plover]

yeah not the greatest, but nothing anyone can do

[shadow heart]

im a god boy

you do not wanna mess with my build

bout too beat hades

[tepid plover]

famous last words

[shadow heart]

no actually

it was basterd

basterd -sam's last word

im gonna get ptsd from someone saying darkness

[old bluff]

Darkness?

[shadow heart]

ye

spoilers

hades says it when he goes invisable (its cannon btw)

[old bluff]

I was referring to the PTSD it would trigger

[shadow heart]

it wont work if u add a question mark

[mint coral]

Darkness is annoying for speedruns

[digital pond]

i beat heat 9 and got trough the credist what then ?

[mint coral]

Talk with dad some more until the lock clears

[digital pond]

Alr thanks

[livid wasp]

Ok, I have spent so many time doing runs where I always talk with artemis

I have one locked heart and I don't know how to unlock it

Have done more than 10 runs talking with Artemis maybe 15 20

[mint coral]

Do more talking

[jagged hamlet]

Just keep talking just keep talking just keep talking talking talking 🎵

[livid wasp]

Ok

[green lark]

Ok, but this is getting crazy, I've somehow managed to get Patroclus' chamber 5 runs in a row, and he still hasn't said the needed dialogue, I even triggered an extra Achilles dialog that is brought up when you speak to him using the Myrmidon Bracer, which I saw someone suggest on Reddit (I'm apparently not the only one that has the issue of this taking forever to start). Like, it's not worth complaining about this now, but I really hope Hades 2 doesn't have stuff like this. If a sidequest requires dialogue to trigger, that dialogue should take priority over other random conversations.

[late vessel]

finally beat hades with the trash bow

[autumn rose]

u will yet learn

[vernal willow]

I LOVE NECTARRRR

Aspect of eris with hazard bomb, am i cooked chat

[opaque bridge]

Relatable

[rustic vale]

[late vessel]

died to rng

[jagged hamlet]

It seems like you have some serious systemic issues in your gameplay, honestly

[latent moon]

there's only so many times rng can mess with you specifically on bow lmao

[rustic vale]

Real, no c2 red hyper delivery and it’s over

[vernal heath]

i used to dislike the bow until i got chiron

[stone rune]

chiron is the worst bow aspect by far

[vernal heath]

its fun

and i aint speedrunning

[rustic vale]

“Brachiosaurus is my favourite dinosaur”

“It sucks compared to Diplodocus”

{fyi, I don’t know dino stats, it’s just an analogy}

[jagged hamlet]

Weird! It seems like Special-focused weapons tend to be the weakest: Arthur, Zagspear, Chaos, Chiron, Talos, Gilgamesh (yes, Demeter is an exception)

[rustic vale]

Eris? Luci?

Guan-yu?

Zeus?

[jagged hamlet]

Tend, I say. Tend!

[old bluff]

Eris stinky

[rustic vale]

Good:
Guan-yu
Zeus
Early Access Chaos
Demeter
Luci
Eris
Not Good:
Poseidon? (If it counts)
Arthur? (The special is kind of a sideshow)
Chaos (Modern)
Chiron
Talos
Gilga

5:~6

[vernal heath]

arthur isnt really a special weapon imo

[jagged hamlet]

Can we say that 5:6 still counts as "tend"? 😅

[vernal heath]

its nice, but the attack is where its at

[rustic vale]

Is poseidon and arthur count it’s 6 but

[old bluff]

Luci and Demeter being good is questionable at best

[rustic vale]

Pos is a castpect with a special that just happens to be altered and Arthur’s not really focusing on it’s special for dps more than

[rustic vale]

In the frame of their own weapons?

[jagged hamlet]

Luci is legimately pretty good with Triple Bomb

Like good in its own right

[rustic vale]

Demeter is easily the best fist, and it’s fine

[old bluff]

I would say in comparison to all other aspects but this is def just an opinion

[rustic vale]

None of the rail aspects go wrong anywhere, it’s just that eris and hestia stand above luci and zag

But

Luci is potent

Especially with triple bomb

So I’d count it

[vernal heath]

rail is my least favorite weapon

[old bluff]

Default reload button is my least favorite aspect too

[rustic vale]

~I usually find that pretty hard to believe due to how versatile and varied the aspects allow for building it

It’s often that people just haven’t found what clicks with them

[vernal heath]

its the reload for me

[rustic vale]

Not to say you can’t dislike rail I just think they’re a lot too it that most people probably haven’t hit

[rustic vale]

Having to hit it at all or the key it’s one

I think it was a bigger issue for me when I first started using it but now it’s just clicked in my head

[vernal heath]

its pretty fun if you get triple bomb

but if not

eh

[jagged hamlet]

Is like when people don't know how to shift gears on bicycles and have to thiiiink about it until it becomes habit

[old bluff]

How many rail aspects have you tried?

[rustic vale]

If you like triple bomb-> also see cluster bomb, rocket bomb

[vernal heath]

only eris so far

[old bluff]

triple bomb Eris is certainly a build that can happen in Hades

It's not bad, but I would suggest rocket bimb

[long epoch]

After trying H2, come back to H1 and got Epilog today

[rustic vale]

?

Triple bomb is a fine hammer on eris

[rustic vale]

Are Arthur/Poseidon really special focused aspects

[jagged hamlet]

Oh my goodness I've forgotten a lot

[rustic vale]

I through poseidon in just because part of it’s ability uses special and since the damage it gives is so low you’ll actually get use from it but atp I might as well throw in Achilles

[rustic vale]

Since both use their special to facillitate the rest of their function

So I think I’d take it out

at the same time Arthur kinda just throws the special down and forgets from there, I would be hard pressed to call it special focused

that would make it 5:4

[jagged hamlet]

Upgrading Arthur increases the effectiveness of its special, so I'ma call it a Special-focused weapon

[rustic vale]

~

50/50

even split (if you count arthur)

[jagged hamlet]

50-50 sounds good to me

[rustic vale]

Beo is an attack focused aspect

[jagged hamlet]

I'm not following

[rustic vale]

Upgrading beo increases bull rush +% and size when a cast is loaded

[jagged hamlet]

Yep! And that's a function of the Attack

[rustic vale]

Zag spear is special focused, and it can run a good special focused build (explosive launcher + charged skewer), but it mainly isn’t played that way

and Hades buffs special, and it does a hell of a job at it, can do the same build slightly more consistently, but you need to spin for the buff, so you’d really only pull that off on bosses

they’d both fall under special focused, and they’re both kinda just mid (rather than bad) at it due to the inconsistency of finding explosive+charged

[stray anchor]

wait hades dmg buff only applies to specials?

[rustic vale]

It applies to attack and special

but for this context we’re referring to “special focused” aspects as aspects that buff or incorporate their specials in their buff so

it falls into it

maybe a scuffed way to categorise them

[rustic vale]

Or it’s guan-yu and the special is one of the best parts of the aspect so gets counted

[spring vapor]

32 heat kicking my ass and then boom eurydice and orpheus singing in the blood and suddenly everything is great again 🥲

Even tho I’ll probably die in the next room ahaha

[rustic vale]

It’s 32 heat, ideally you should be able to die once every room

[spring vapor]

I hate it so much but the veiled statue bothers me more😭

[rustic vale]

What’s your pact look like atm

Actually the second I ask that I should probably follow up saying image perms are restricted here but you can send imbeded images through image links

[spring vapor]

From top to bottom:
80
25
80
60
2
30
0
Max
Max
40
0
0
Max
1
7:00

[spring vapor]

I don’t know how to do that🥲😅

[jagged hamlet]

Copy image URL from wherever it's uploaded (outside of this channel). Paste image URL

[spring vapor]

Also have god mode one because I got lazy

(But it’s not helping anyway)

[rustic vale]

Oh

Ohhhh

Yikes

[spring vapor]

Yeah🥲

[rustic vale]

For context this is what I’m usually looking at for 32

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240853989134958604/1240863629767872633/IMG_8417.jpg?ex=6650ad8f&is=664f5c0f&hm=a05ea4c037179b574064280bbf04d926ec572027e265fa72c266d3b2ed0d8410&

Notice how I’m no debilitated by Jury Summons 3, Calisthenics Programs 2, or Damage Control 2, each are horrendous pact options that have horrible synergy with each other

There are more enemies to deal with, each of them has a mini-acorn ( you are handing the best defensive keepsake in the game to every enemy), every enemy is more bulky, and so your rooms get dragged out as you have to kill more bulkier enemies, losing you time and leaving you all the more chances to get hit by enemies since there are more of them and each lives longer

[rustic vale]

It makes your game a more deadly slog

You have approval process on too?!?

That’s ~9 heat to put else where then

I would recommend turning on tight deadline 3 (turning off maxed jury summons, calisthenics program and damage control should definitely put you in a place where you can hit the deadlines, and remember, you don’t die immediately when it hits 0)

That still leaves 6 heat to throw elsewhere

mind you I’m taking off approval process because it just limits you so much, ofc it’s the “just hit the boons” pact but it just sucks to rely that much on rng

If you pump up benefits package and hard labour that should put you back at 32

If my mental math is correct

Of course if you’re metal you just turn lasting consequences 4 on and run stubborn defiance

[late vessel]

anyone sick of the bullet hell crystals?

[rustic vale]

The what’s

The purple ones in tartarus?

they’re pretty manageable

[late vessel]

yeah

[jagged hamlet]

Don't those die really, really quickly?

[rustic vale]

they do

although if you’re caught up with other enemies

They can be a nuisance

[fervent radish]

With personal liability and speedy they can melt your health bar if you stand in the wrong place

Honestly one of the worst enemies to see for me

They are pretty weak though

[rustic vale]

“Oh a gift that’ll be a sweet extra pom for my drunken strike”
where’s my pom
oh it’s the new save file

[fervent radish]

Rough

[rustic vale]

5 escape attempts, 4 blood, 2 diamonds, I think I’m doing ok

shackle try not to forget to gift another +% goddess challenge: impossible

[spring vapor]

Will consider!!! Thanks so much for the advice

[rustic vale]

“You’ve slain at least a thousand souls down there” Ares in tart on escape attempt 6, lmao

[spring vapor]

I’m terrible with the trap on haha I ran into them too many times

[rustic vale]

Yeah I wouldn’t recommend heightened security

[jagged hamlet]

Heightened Security is super duper dangerous

[rustic vale]

I just had it turned on because I’m cocky and I don’t like waiting around in Asphodel to reset my stubborn defiance

[rustic vale]

Free second pom for my drunken strike or shop with 239 obols

It’s tart endshop

[jagged hamlet]

I like shop!

[rustic vale]

I could get free pom or I could bank on a heart since I have 50 max hp rn or aphrodite

[jagged hamlet]

Always be gamblin'

[rustic vale]

No heart nor aphro

However

Do I take Hermes early or do I grab ares and hope for curse of vengeance

[jagged hamlet]

Roll! Da! Dice!

[rustic vale]

It would be curse of vengeance -> curse of nausea is the plan

Got CoV

4:07 tart exit somehow

Coin purse aspho 😁 since the only gods I have in pool are ones I have the keepsakes o

[rustic vale]

Or rather the other way around, the only god’s who’s keepsakes are have are already in my pool

@mint coral you cursed my Hermes rng

[mint coral]

What was said yesterday doesn't apply today nuh uh

[rustic vale]

Common evasion, common side hustle common greater haste

[mint coral]

You discord during a run, that's a curse

[rustic vale]

How do I even cook here

[mint coral]

Route your ichors

Or is this 2nd

[rustic vale]

1st

Ig haste is an option

[mint coral]

10% rd incoming

[rustic vale]

10% > 0%

[rustic vale]

CoN Ares decided to be nice for the atrocity Hermes just handed me

[late vessel]

too much rng

[rustic vale]

@mint coral 7th escape just beat heroes with rail

This could go all the way

Do styx chambers count as individual rooms for leveling keepsakes? I can’t believe I’ve never seen the question come up here

[jagged hamlet]

Make better use of keepsakes and door selection 🤷

Hades RNG is very, very, very controllable

[rustic vale]

yeah up until you get 4 sacked

[jagged hamlet]

I don't think that's BlackDog's problem at the moment LOL

[rustic vale]

It’s my problem rn

[jagged hamlet]

Here, have a lucky thingy 🍀

[rustic vale]

I lost my single dd to the 3rd tunnel end room

I mean athena immediately gave me a dd back but I would’ve liked to have kept mine

oh.

Ohhhh.

[jagged hamlet]

Gone but not forgotten. RIP original DD

[rustic vale]

Vicious Cycle +420 obols

[rustic vale]

It was doing so much on my blade dash as is

[rustic vale]

🫡

Do I buy double poms or hermes + zeus or hmmm

ok so I have enough to either:
Purchase a Hermes boon (my current ones are swift strike & quick recovery, so no rush delivery) and a zeus boon (it’s rail so I’d appreciate smthing)

[rustic vale]

Or buy a zeus boon and a pom or buy 2 poms

2 poms could hit static discharge and a level 5 discharge would be noce

I’ll buy my first pom and decide from there

hit discharge, I can’t imagine any zeus secondaries I would want aside from double strike and that’s a shot in the dark so

Escape attempt 7 win isn’t exactly fresh file but

Noo I just threw so hard to 2nd phase dad

That was actually sad he had like 30% hp remaining I could’ve had an escape attempt 7 victory

No matter

I should have aspects now so zag bow time

[late vessel]

its hard for dd

[jagged hamlet]

Build better, kill quicker, and thereby give yourself fewer opportunities to die

[rustic vale]

Oh and I got enough keys for the first mirror expansion

Boiling blood time

Oh hi Demeter

I wasn’t planning on taking you but I guess you can come along

Hidden chamber rewards for 49% dash strike damage hmmm

Y’know

Why not my arte keepsake guarantee’s I’ll see her at some point

oh yeah no fated persuasion

Thanks Artemis for true shot I guess

[hallow beacon]

I'm going to tuck zag in like a Lil baby and give him pancakes he needs several naps

Hes so silly. how could his dad hate him????? look at my boy. I'd die for him.

[hardy lantern]

does anyone know if swift strike makes railgun reload faster

[rustic vale]

Yes, the answer is No.

[stray anchor]

neither achilles nor patrocles have new dialogue yet i still dont have their quest -.-

[hallow beacon]

Achilles is the best ever and he and his husband are the best dad's fr

[late vessel]

hades attack where it goes past pillar is just ridiculous

not only that you have to dodge a bunch of projectiles of that same move or else u die

[fervent radish]

Which one

[late vessel]

green

[fervent radish]

Oh yeah the wave

If you break the skulls they don’t explode

And they have a timer that counts down

[next ledge]

I love dashing through 3 waves at the same time

[jagged hamlet]

Venn diagram of dooooom

[next ledge]

And then getting hit by the fourth…

[jagged hamlet]

Dooooom

[late vessel]

exactly

[fervent radish]

Its better to focus on breaking those

[late vessel]

thx

[next ledge]

I usually allow one to live, if far away, but yeah break some or it’s chaos (no not the boon guy)

[jagged hamlet]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Sonic_chao.png

[jagged hamlet]

Do we feel like some boons and aspects are way too centralizing? Namely things like ME or even just Zeus on rapid weapons

[tepid light]

Tbh yeah

Esp with zeus attack on lucifer

And how it's basically the only one you can take

[void vigil]

nope nope poseidon attack on luci still goes

[coarse tinsel]

so uh any of yall think I could get my hands on the flaming wheel noise...I really want the cute 'nya' noise for my entrance sound on discord

I....wasn't talking about hades 2.

[latent moon]

that's a bot lmao

[coarse tinsel]

well my point still stands

[latent moon]

it just sends that message every 2 mins basically so that people always see it and dont post spoilers here

[coarse tinsel]

fair enough

still tho

I would love the little nosie those wheels make

[latent moon]

i would maybe ask the modding discord pinned in #self-promotion

since they're more familiar with the game code and whatnot

and can prob find the file you want

[coarse tinsel]

even if that means I have to dig in the files

[tepid light]

ah yes, super soaker

how could i forget

[exotic ingot]

do yall take impending doom simply for the sake of higher uptime of privileged status if doom itself isn't on a priority button of current run

[jagged hamlet]

No, we mostly only take it to pump Merciful End damage. And most of us don't run PStatus since it's usually too restrictive, takes a while to apply to any given enemy, and isn't much stronger than the always-active Family Favorite

[brisk trail]

hello im relatively new to the game

and like

how do i defeat Theseus?

[muted fulcrum]

God mode. Always use God mode. And just keep trying.

[brisk trail]

thank you

should i aim to defeat the bull first?

[next ledge]

God mode cheating /j

[next ledge]

Yeah

Its no bull its a minotaur and his name is Asterius, but yeah since Theseus blocks i usually kill Asterius first

[brisk trail]

oh i see

[next ledge]

What weapon are you using?

[brisk trail]

aegis or the spear,mostly aegis tho

[next ledge]

Yeah, you should be fine with a bit of practice

[brisk trail]

okay thank you

[silk carbon]

not very good advice icl

[next ledge]

…my autocorrect wanted to change practice to prayer…

[brisk trail]

i think i could use both lol

[next ledge]

Then give better, pls im not good at helping

[brisk trail]

@silk carbon do u have any suggestion tho

sorry for ping

[next ledge]

Where is SomeNoobDying when you need them…

[brisk trail]

hmm

[next ledge]

They answered all my questions, when I needed help

[brisk trail]

oh thats hreat

great

which stage are u at btw

[next ledge]

I have done the epilogue, aiming to finish all prophecies and then moving on to Hades 2

[brisk trail]

ohh i see

[next ledge]

Honestly most things just need practice

[brisk trail]

i agree

sometimes im just lazy tho

[next ledge]

Yeah… wish i could give you better tips

[brisk trail]

its okay,no worries

[next ledge]

If you want help with making good builds/choosing right boons there is a pin in builds and combat

[brisk trail]

oh that would be helpful

thanks

[tepid plover]

He's referred to as the bull of minos, so technically not wrong

But yeah focusing him seems to be the go to strat most of the time

[silk carbon]

practice practice

i mean the whole point of a roguelike is to play again and again

[brisk trail]

mhm i see

im kinda new to this genre tho

so yeah

[tepid plover]

Yeah dying is really expected

That's just how roguelikes

You meant to die a lot

[spring vapor]

Um so

Beat 32 heat buttttt I got lazy and turned god mode on when facing dad

0.25 win I guess??????

I might actually try it again in the future if I’m feeling up to it

[tepid plover]

a win is a win

god mode doesnt take away from it

[spring vapor]

Yeah I know 🥳

No more veiled statues!!!

[austere burrow]

This game deserves all the hype - and im only 30 mins in

[muted fulcrum]

I'm not a good gamer. No way could I get anywhere without God Mode.

Also, I'm an old lady, I need the extra boost.

[hallow beacon]

same....

[naive kite]

I have almost 100 hours in the game and still didn't get legendary from chaos is it that rare or am i just giga unlucky

[mint coral]

Is it rare yeah

Is not affected by any rarity buff dje to how is coded

[naive kite]

Damn

Time to play runs with cosmic egg i guess

And hope for the best

[mint coral]

Just play like usual I'd say

Maybe roll more aggressively on 2nd chaos/charon wells for more light of ixion

Carrying egg will just make it annoying to go through runs

[tepid plover]

this wont affect it lol, youre just nerfing yourself for no reason

[rustic vale]

I would very tentatively ever recommend God Mode. While it is an option in the game, it's really just an option for people who'd want to turn it on, and not really the most conducive thing to people looking to improve at Hades. It really does teach you a lot of bad habits going forward

saying "Use God Mode" is less of advice and more of telling someone to just play an easier game when they asked for help at getting better

[rustic vale]

at the moment, whichever is more of a threat to you, you should focus down. As you start to improve at the game you should get better at being able to take both down at once

a big thing for Heroes is you need to stay on your feet

especially since there are two of them

you have to be able to dash away from asterius while not heading straight into Theseus attacks, and so that means you have to keep track of two tough opponents for a large chunk of combat. Your best bet is to remove that mental tax on you by not being in the line of fire of one of them. Theseus in phase 1 can't really hit you if you've got a pillar between you and him, so if you always keep one between you and him you don't really have to worry as much about getting hit by him

Asterius's charge can be prevented by making him run straight into a wall/pillar

[rustic vale]

Sleeping (I'm 99% sure they're in roughly the same timezone as me so it's make sense given that was at 5:00am)

[mint coral]

Correct

[small compass]

Is there any way to run hades on mac os with 8bitDO ultimate controller?((

[muted fulcrum]

Sorry, but for me it was the absolute only way for me to beat the game. I did try without it and failed. Badly. I'm just an old lady, I love the game, but I'm not a good gamer. It was the best advice I could think of. At least if your starting and don't have much darkness.

[late vessel]

any good guan yu builds?

[tepid plover]

Using God mode is completely okay. But yeah if someone comes asking for advice on beating something they probably wants tips on how to beat them.

[late vessel]

im thinking of artemis special/cast and ares attack, good?

[tepid plover]

Reduced damage taken might not even be enough sometimes

[rustic vale]

eh

for guan-yu you typically want a +% special and then charged skewer and to focus on using the special

aphrodite on special works, can throw zeus on strike from there and go for smouldering air with zeus or dionysus call

merciful end is also an option where you'd still predominantly be specialling

[jagged hamlet]

Remember, kids and squids: dashes grant invulnerability frames, but dash-strikes don't! And a loooot of weapons rely heavily on dash-strikes

[mint coral]

Hades if it had in game tips during black screens

[jagged hamlet]

Somehow Meg and Than give me yuppie vibes. Does anyone feel the same?

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1243411906803535982/IMG_8502.jpg?ex=665209d4&is=6650b854&hm=4d731c2dabd75d20f492eaa7d3dadea203dc12aba5e52fe11a8345e105f0be00&

[jagged hamlet]

Is that Skelly's real identity? He's the loading screen? 👀

[hallow beacon]

dbsjbdjd

[runic jungle]

I freaking hate the sword sm it's so clunkyy
I find clearing with it to be the most difficult out of all the weapons.

[late vessel]

it jsut works

[vernal heath]

when u find all duo boons possible apart from merciful end

[fluid gazelle]

I find the sword okay, its fun to use special to retrieve casts, especially with the larger nova hammer.

I like the gun the least.

[late vessel]

gun is good

[fluid gazelle]

Every weapon can be good. But we all have preferences.

[runic jungle]

The only part I like about the sword is the special honestly.
I just find it really tedious to use compared to the others idk

Sometimes I feel silly for constantly forgetting to check the door in Charons shop to make sure the god boon there isn't one I just bought in the store lol.

Also question, how many clears does it take to get one of those things that allow you to change the boons?
I think it's called fate or something.

[mint coral]

Is the last skill of the mirror

so 65 keys? I think

first lvl of boon rerolls is 1k darkness

so you don't really need to clear

just unlock mirror/have nyx unlock green side

[runic jungle]

Sheesh that's gonna take forever to grind

[mint coral]

there's also fated keys from the contractor

which gives rerolls when picking keys

[late vessel]

too much rng

[fervent radish]

That’s your fault for opening them tbh

[hallow beacon]

okay so Megs outfit is the worst to draw ever

I'm changing her outfit a bit

and it's still hard

[torpid geyser]

hades 1 goes so hard i got it 7 days ago and i have 20 hours rn

[tepid plover]

Me when I put it 60 hrs into hades 2 on the first week

[torpid geyser]

i dont have that much free time

[tepid plover]

Neither do I, I figured if I sleep less I can play more

[torpid geyser]

this u?

[tepid plover]

Literally

I'm back into hades 1 now after so much h2

[fluid gazelle]

Youre not alone. Hades 2 will be great down the line, but the urge to replay the first one first has bit many people. Including me hehe.

A polished game with years of patching has its own charm.

Sometimes its better than early access.

[obsidian drum]

MFW I have do anything but giving nectar to Ares or Dionysus

[austere burrow]

Which is better?

[tepid plover]

Is hard to decide as of now since hades 2 isn't completed, so far both are equally as good games

They feel very different despite their similarities

[coarse tinsel]

I

was

so

close

hades was on a sliver of health

I wanna say he was on a literal hit of health left

[tepid plover]

There's no escape

[stray anchor]

i finally get the exclamation from patrocles to start the quest and achilles is in a dialogue with someone else

this game is forcing me to do more runs lmao

[austere burrow]

H1 is very very good, alteady one of my fav games bravo supergiant❤️

[tepid plover]

It is easily my fav game of all time so far

[shadow heart]

2 words

support fire

its goated

and it works on the shield of zooz

in other words

my distructo disk shoots homing projectiles

[tepid plover]

I love support fire, in both games, goated boon

[austere burrow]

Yea it quickly becane one of my favs aswell and i bought it yesterday hehe

[hollow wraith]

Getting asterius to show up on his own is pain

[tepid plover]

visit the miniboss room in elysium everytime, is a 50/50

[hollow wraith]

im aware

been through 6 of them so far 💀

[tepid plover]

ah, yeah rng at its finest

[minor harness]

i really like the game but its too hard for me, i cant make it past the third boss or something

[tepid plover]

Looking for specific tips? The third boss is not easy at all, they will test your skill, as well as your build. Try to focus down the minotaur first while dodging the spears as best as you can. With the minotaur down, theseus should be a lot easier to tackle

[raw herald]

also dont be ashamed of using god mode, its there to help you progress the story if youre struggling

[minor harness]

this is so much harder than the likes of from soft games. i can beat malenia, the hardest boss in elden without a problem. but not this

it makes it exciting tho

[rustic vale]

🤨

[fervent radish]

It’s a matter of perspective I think. I’ve played quite a bit of fromsoft games but I see them as much harder than hades lol

[rustic vale]

I think you may just be built for a different game genre

[fervent radish]

If you’re doing chip damage and focusing on dodging, it’s going to be difficult here, since an optimal speed build will trivialize most of the game including bosses

But I guess that’s how fromsoft games are too

[tepid plover]

yeah comparing roguelikes to soulslike was something i never liked doing, despite sharing similarities, they are still different genres

and i also agree is a matter of perspective, for me hades is significantly easier than those games

[warm swallow]

Why can I never talk and gift Dusa on the same "run" through the House of Hades?

[tepid plover]

gift, then talk

[warm swallow]

Fair.

Though I've also had her fly away in reaction to being gifted.

[tepid plover]

gotta do this for olympians, and than

than will also go away after talking, so gotta gift first

[warm swallow]

Well, yeah, but Dusa can't be gifted even if she doesn't fly away after talking to her.

like, she'll still be there, but I'll have no gift option anymore

[tepid plover]

is been literal years, i dont remember this exactly

[warm swallow]

also, is there a way to view a list of Hammer upgrades in-game?

[tepid plover]

i dont think so

wiki can be trusted in that matter, as well as mods if thats up your alley

[rustic vale]

Would recommend just using this

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

It’s got all your hammers and all your god boons in one place, without supporting Fandom or having to wait years to load the pag

[jagged hamlet]

Ads ads ads ads ads ads ads ads ads

[tepid plover]

i didnt even know this existed

[warm swallow]

Oh, does anyone know what the base boon rarity rates are? And how does changing them (via mirror and whatnot) affect them?

[tepid plover]

how is the % variance calculated? is it it random?
https://i.imgur.com/4DiNYez.png

[mint coral]

5% epic/12% duos/legendaries iirc

Mirror is just a flat increase

So epic becomes +25%

[warm swallow]

rare?

[mint coral]

Don't remember that one

[warm swallow]

so I assume the increase removes common rarity chance?

[mint coral]

Hermes is 3% epic/1% legendary

[tepid plover]

wow what a cool website, plain and simple

[warm swallow]

from some guy on reddit

Duo Boons are a subset of Legendary, apparently

[mint coral]

Shouldn't post code stuff here btw

[warm swallow]

hmm? why not?

did I miss a rule somewhere?

[mint coral]

Is just general courtesy here, devs don't like it

[jagged hamlet]

Maybe SGG employees are afraid of Dictionary data types

Ooga booga

[warm swallow]

Anyhow, the rates go 10% Rare, 5% Epic, 35% Legendary/Duo (if applicable), and then the rest is Common

This was revealed to me once in a dream.

[mint coral]

For other stuff
Yarn/nectar are guaranteed rare/+25% to epics/+10% to duos/legendaries

[cloud mist]

where are the save files again?

wait ive reached them before hold up

[fervent radish]

Publically available though

[fervent radish]

Random yeah

[cloud mist]

probs better to ask in modding but i assume "player1.sav" has all the save data in it and theres not some saved seperately somewhere else?

[fervent radish]

I’ve played atleast 50-70 attempts of epic aphro special start and there doesn’t seem to be any logic behind what I get between 140-160%

[fervent radish]

You can ask on the speedrunning server too

[cloud mist]

im not in it and i dont want to leave a server again just to go back in there

[fervent radish]

That file has all of the permanent data and the temp file has current run data

[tepid plover]

Does art strike stack with nemesis?

[fervent radish]

Crit chance stacks yeah

[tepid plover]

Pog

[cloud mist]

nice thanks

i finally got asterion while wearing gloves

[rustic vale]

Makes sense since the game rolls them together

[warm swallow]

Should I take Epic Drunken Strike for Aspect of Nemesis? Or should I wait for something better?
Mind you, I'm at the shop right before Lernie.

[twin thistle]

Not the best option but it works just pom it up a bit if you can

[jagged hamlet]

I'd avoid it entirely and go for Aphrodite or another high % Attack boon

[warm swallow]

I went for it, cause, like I said, already through Asphodel.

I do have Underworld Customs on, though, so I could always sell it.

[brisk trail]

can anyone help me how can't I unlock the Malphon's hidden aspect??

Q_Q

Asterius says about fighting him bare hands but nothing happened Q_Q

@anyone

[mint coral]

Need to run into him again now

And he may say the phrase

[next ledge]

You need to spend 5 titan blood on upgrades

[mint coral]

Also that ^ be sure you have the blood pre req

[next ledge]

And yeah random dialogue…

[mint coral]

And I doubt it, but you do have guan yu revealed too right

[brisk trail]

yea I have all the hidden aspects except the exagryhp and malphon

[next ledge]

Random dialogue i guess…

[mint coral]

Then yeah just luck now

[brisk trail]

i have invested enough titan blood in that too

[brisk trail]

Q_Q

oki

miney try

thanks yous bois miney try

[warm swallow]

I keep forgetting to use my Companion. 😩

[brisk trail]

yea man me too they be not so significant that much being the calls pf olympians

[hollow wraith]

I finally got him on his own but didn't even get the dialogue 😭

[cloud mist]

How do you verify game files again?

Also how do you actually get to the point you can give the Olympians ambrosia

[void vigil]

right click on steam > properties > installed files

right click the game, that is

[torpid geyser]

How do i give thanatos the ambrosia

[cloud mist]

Talk more to him

[torpid geyser]

Ive given him 6 nectar so far

[jagged hamlet]

Beat him in a killing contest

[torpid geyser]

Ive been doing that

[jagged hamlet]

Gonna have to loop back to "talk more" then, for better or for worse

[torpid geyser]

btw any builds for spear? (i only have achilles and zagreus)

[jagged hamlet]

Yep. There's a nice build guide in the second pinned comment or thereabouts of #h1-builds-and-combat

[cloud mist]

Is ambrosia for god's also talk more? Or do I have to get all of their boons

I think I'm only missing like 1-2 boons each

Might be dous

[mint coral]

Depends

Most of them will just be done by playing (zeus/arty/athena come to mind)

Ares is tied to a prophecy

The wiki has the favors for each god

[cloud mist]

Ah favors

[jovial heron]

who is depicted on the zues sheild? is it just young zues or part of his mythos

[stray anchor]

supposedly it's medusa since it's the shield he gives to athena

[cloud mist]

Is Rama or Charon better?

[mint coral]

Rama

(also, chiron)

[cloud mist]

I have both

[jagged hamlet]

Almost everything is better than Chiron

[rustic vale]

Given Chiron is the 4th best bow aspect

[lavish sorrel]

this is true

[grand glade]

I like how Hestia aspect turns Exagryph into a bolt-action sniper rifle with optional auto fire before reload

It's like having a long-range primary weapon and a secondary pistol

And the special is like a grenade

[cloud mist]

i ahte bows in gereal zamn

im jsut gonna die this run

[faint ruin]

Does orpheus ever come back after you defeat {redacted} the first time? got some nectar want to give him

[keen mortar]

he does

characters just come and go sometimes

[faint ruin]

he must be mad at me or something, last 10 runs no show

[rustic vale]

[carmine beacon]

What is the best aspect to play with the butterfly keepsake from thanos?

I need to reach 30% bonus damage with that keepsake to get the last achievement to eventually 100% the game from a steam POV (even if there will always be some stuff to do).

[mint coral]

Hestia gaming

[jagged hamlet]

I vote Hestia or Zagbow

[lethal bronze]

Hestia

[carmine beacon]

That's good news, I did my first good Hestia run few hours ago, and I didn't know that would suit well with that keepsake.

I am used to get aphro on attack. If I can choose the boons I get, I suppose I should just take any % bonjs on attack?

Like if I can't get aphro, Arte or Demeter should do the trick

[mint coral]

Yeah

Dem ideally you get it at epic tho

Same for athena

Can also get ares's battle rage

Pos's hydro might can help if you are forced into him

Don't take his attack tho

[carmine beacon]

His dash helped me a lot last run

Poseidon attack his bad? Why? Is the knock back annoying somehow?

[latent moon]

it's not doing anything for you and has a very low % modifier

[mint coral]

Is like 30%~

[carmine beacon]

Well, I don't know if there is a lot I can do to get them in epic, beside just hoping

[carmine beacon]

Ah okay.

[mint coral]

Oh yeah swap to fiery presence in the mirror if you haven't already

And might as well add high confidence

[carmine beacon]

And any good duo to get with heart rend?

[mint coral]

Not really
If you get arty atk you want some % from somewhere else

Chaos is the most reliable but you don't wanna skip combats so prob buy stuff at charon wells (jerkies/bangles) or hermes's rush delivery

[carmine beacon]

Wait chaos skip fights?

[jagged hamlet]

Probably safe to skip 1 or 2 combats

[mint coral]

Yeah

[carmine beacon]

I thought it was a bonus room or smthg

It's just like Erebus, but without even fighting.

[twin thistle]

Erebus isnt a bonus unless you get it before endshop

[carmine beacon]

That's life changing new tbh.😅

I'll try all your advice for my next run tomorrow. Gn!

[tepid plover]

If i buy 2 nemesis crest, do they stack in power, or does it just more rooms?

[mint coral]

Stack

[rustic vale]

it's just long range and always a pretty safe aspect

butterfly isn't doing much for any aspect, but hestia is doing a lot for it

[late vessel]

where to find DD in styx?

[tepid plover]

Hopefully a charon well, or maybe athena if she's in your pantheon

[steep comet]

dark foresight vs olympian favor?

[fervent radish]

Dark foresight

[steep comet]

ty

[tepid plover]

I prefer dark foresight as well

[torpid geyser]

Best build for spear? Any ideas I've tried ares attack based and Artemis attack based (both dash attack)

[fervent radish]

For zagspear and hades, you can put aphro on special and get exploding launcher or chain skewer

Charged skewer is also good

Achilles likes tidal dash start into whatever flat damage you can get

[tepid plover]

Do you know if we already have something like this for h2?

[fervent radish]

Guan yu has built in elauncher so charged skewer and then quick spin is good

[torpid geyser]

I'm tryna beat hades but I dint have hades spear, I have hestia rail, I need builds for that too

[fervent radish]

You can start tdash and look for a big % on attack. If you don’t get something good in tart, take shackle until you do

Big % on special is also nice

[torpid geyser]

Tdash? I'm new so idk what these things mean

[fervent radish]

Hazard bomb, piercing, ricochet, rocket, cluster all work

Tidal dash from Poseidon

It’s really good for crowd control

[torpid geyser]

Tart?

[fervent radish]

You can also start Aphrodite for a guaranteed attack

Tartarus, sorry

[torpid geyser]

Would Artemis attack be good?

[fervent radish]

Shackle is Sisyphus keepsake that gives +100% damage when the attack/special/cast is not empowered by a god boon

[torpid geyser]

So use that?

[fervent radish]

It’s ok, best if you have some other source of additive since otherwise you do very little damage and sometimes way overkill with a crit

[torpid geyser]

Alright what should I use for cast? And special?

[fervent radish]

If you don’t get a good attack yeah

Special any % works like arty, aphro, athena, and Demeter

Cast doesn’t really matter

[torpid geyser]

Also what would you say is the best weapon in game (base not aspect)

[fervent radish]

It’s mostly important for boiling blood so I’ll often keep the base cast bc I know how it travels

Hm

Base shield is pretty strong

Rail as well

[torpid geyser]

I usually go for Artemis poseiden duo cast

Oh and a quick question how do I get more titans blood?

[fervent radish]

Yeah mirage is good, but it’s amazing on most beowulf flares since it’s bugged to double damage

[torpid geyser]

What did you use to beta hades? I keep getting so close but losing

[fervent radish]

First time I beat him was a Poseidon sword Artemis cast build

I would say hestia is the safest non shield weapon in the game

[torpid geyser]

What'd be the easiest one to use in your opinion?

I used Achilles for most of my runs

@fervent radish

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1244105683914461214/IMG_20240525_215132084.jpg?ex=6653e735&is=665295b5&hm=818df2c9bf3e399b41e87f4a22d7003acb9334cca2b5b56826b69a1cd4812f7c&
This is fine :p

[fervent radish]

This is normal

[torpid geyser]

What weapon are you using?

[fervent radish]

Achilles is pretty dangerous all in all

[mint coral]

Fresh file run so sword

[torpid geyser]

I see

[fervent radish]

Hestia at its core is two buttons: attack + reload and repeat

[torpid geyser]

What's your favorite weapon to use

[fervent radish]

Hestia and Zeus shield

[mint coral]

Died at heroes

[torpid geyser]

bro did all of elysium hitless???

[mint coral]

Fountain/food from charon

Also centaur hearts

[torpid geyser]

i see btw if youve beaten hades before what build would you say is easiest

im tryna meet my mother

[mint coral]

Prob some bow build or something cheesy like shield + lightning rod

But pretty much anything works

[torpid geyser]

what did you have the easiest time with

[mint coral]

Not something that you have access to rn most probably

[torpid geyser]

i have every weapon unlocked just not all aspects

[mint coral]

That's the issue

[torpid geyser]

i have all zag achilles spear hestia rail and chiron bow

[old bluff]

low level Hestia 🗿

[mint coral]

Achilles cast build should do the trick

[torpid geyser]

boutta fight hades with the best spear build ive come up with wish me luck

[mint coral]

No clue what lvl is your hestia

[torpid geyser]

its crit related with artemis attack + another dash from hermes for dmg

athena dash

[old bluff]

If Hestia is a high enough level, it is one of the safest aspects in the game

[torpid geyser]

poseiden call

[rustic vale]

“Best spear build”

[torpid geyser]

lvl 1 i need mah titans blood (i have 1 rn)

[torpid geyser]

THAT IVE COME UP WITH its prob trash

[rustic vale]

oh wait “I’ve come up with”

Apologies

[torpid geyser]

aight wish me luck im boutta fight hades

[rustic vale]

Good luck

[old bluff]

Wish you well

[torpid geyser]

🫡

first healthbar down

I DID IT

I DID IT

[fervent radish]

Gj

[torpid geyser]

FIRST CLEAR DONE

LETS GOOOOOO

[mint coral]

Yippeee

[torpid geyser]

MY HEART IS BEATING SO FAST RN

[mint coral]

#h1-victory-boasting go boast 🔫

[fervent radish]

many such cases

still happens on pb attempts for me

[old bluff]

On my 5:11 I would not have been surprised if my heartrate exceeded 180 bpm

[rustic vale]

Only 180? Rookie numbers

[fervent radish]

i've definitely come close on my first clear, my first 50, and pretty much every heat pb since

[torpid geyser]

i think i hit 300 like i was shaking my heart beat so fast

[old bluff]

it was probably closer to 200

[torpid geyser]

btw now that ive cleared the game any good ways to farm titans blood?

[rustic vale]

Pick one weapon, max a good aspect on it and stick with it up to 20 heat

[torpid geyser]

heat?

[rustic vale]

you’ll’ve just unlocked

it

Head into the training area

[mint coral]

Try to start a new run

[torpid geyser]

it ungave me hestia?? the game bugged and relocked hestia

[fervent radish]

hm

you might have unlocked it and then quit out, which would clear anything you've done in the courtyard

[torpid geyser]

but i didnt get my titans blood back

[fervent radish]

oop

[rustic vale]

How many runs have you done with hestia

[fervent radish]

that's weird

[mint coral]

They had hestia from earlier pretty sure

[fervent radish]

yeah

[rustic vale]

[torpid geyser]

i started one but quit out cuz i got 0 good boons for it

[fervent radish]

are you maybe on a different save? do you have any mods installed?

[rustic vale]

yeah it would’ve given you blood back maybe you just used it since and didn’t realise

[torpid geyser]

but i dont have it is the issue

[jagged hamlet]

5:11 my goodness

[old bluff]

Did you get another Aspect after quiting out?

[fervent radish]

edward is a cracked beo player

[rustic vale]

perhaps you used the blood it gave you back and didn’t realise

[torpid geyser]

hestia was the most recent aspect i got

btw how do i unlock the 4th aspects

[rustic vale]

Maybe you upgraded something?

[rustic vale]

You’ll need at least 5 non-zag aspects prior to that being possible iirc

it is non-zag right?

[torpid geyser]

i see

[rustic vale]

might need someone to confirm that one for me

[mint coral]

Yeah

[torpid geyser]

is there a way to check which weapons i got the titans blood with

[rustic vale]

Every weapon.

If it’s above level 0 you’ve put blood in it

[torpid geyser]

no like which ones i BEAT THE FURIES WITH to get titans blood

[quiet merlin]

I think they mean what they earned the blood with

[torpid geyser]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Oh yeah

[old bluff]

Yes

[rustic vale]

take a weapon up to the gates

now that you have heat unlocked

[mint coral]

achsually, is a window

[torpid geyser]

thx

[tepid plover]

Is it a window?

[mint coral]

Why do you think zag falls down each escape

[torpid geyser]

hey im using reg bow cuz apparently it did the same thing for chiron even though i know i used it but what do i get (artemis was my only option)

[tepid plover]

Cause he can?

[torpid geyser]

i have deadly flourish true shot and hunter dash to choose from

[tepid plover]

I do understand is a big fall, I still wouldn't call that a window

[mint coral]

He also doesn't know how to open the normal door lmao

[old bluff]

Dash there on Zag bow

[torpid geyser]

k

and next one was a power pom lol

[old bluff]

Arty dash poms are okay

[tepid plover]

||neither does mel||

[torpid geyser]

what god should i go for on attack?

ares maybe?

[old bluff]

Arty or Aphro attack is best

[torpid geyser]

btw how do i ||fight charon||

[old bluff]

Ares attack is not what you are looking for as Zag bow is an attack weapon

[tepid plover]

Take mid shops (not the ones before a boss) and pray

[torpid geyser]

is it rare?

[rustic vale]

For weapons, flat damage like ares zeus or dionysus only goes on fast weak hit weapons

[rustic vale]

22%

[tepid plover]

It might not spawn at all during a run

[rustic vale]

Bow is not a weak weapon

It’s a 22% chance to be able to fight him in any mid shop

[torpid geyser]

so what should i put on it for attack

[rustic vale]

+%, ideally aphrodite due to her large modifier and synergy with artemis

[torpid geyser]

i thought aphrodite just reduced the dmg they do?

[rustic vale]

She has the largest damage modifiers of any of the olympians

[torpid geyser]

would poseiden work?

[old bluff]

+% refers to the damage bonus they give

[rustic vale]

No.

Poseidon is never the answer for +%

[old bluff]

Poseidon attack is never worth taking

[rustic vale]

Unless you’re playing super soaker 🙂

[torpid geyser]

i have a choice between artemis or zeus

[rustic vale]

But atp you’re playing super soaker

[rustic vale]

Artemis works

Take her

[rose arch]

hey Im trying to install the hades multiplayer mod but I keep on getting crashes, has anyone had success with HadesMP

[rustic vale]

The Hades modding server in #self-promotion will help a lot more

[rose arch]

thanks

im new

[rustic vale]

it’s pinned there

just fyi

[torpid geyser]

still now attack

no*

flourish aid or pressure points

[old bluff]

PP

[rustic vale]

Flourish or cast from her work

[rose arch]

should I delete my messages here or is it fine?

[rustic vale]

Is fine

[rose arch]

thxs

[torpid geyser]

im using reg bow so i dont have seeking special

[rustic vale]

I would take either core and hope for aprho tbh

[rustic vale]

Yeah but flourish sets up for heart rend if you find aphro or force aphro in asphodel

[torpid geyser]

btw do keepsakes work after tart? they havent for me theyve given random rewards instead

[old bluff]

I like PP here as special or cast are kinda worthless, only worth taking if you are filling slots or looking for HR

Yes

[rustic vale]

Filling cores is also a thing to do

[torpid geyser]

filling cores? @rustic vale

[rustic vale]

The 4 main action boons are called cores

[old bluff]

It is where you take "Core boons" to try and force a certain boon

[torpid geyser]

oh ok

[rustic vale]

Attack/special/cast/dash

[tepid plover]

5

Aid too

[rustic vale]

Calls aren’t cores

[tepid plover]

Is it not?

[rustic vale]

They aren’t prioritised in game

[mint coral]

Calls are weird

[old bluff]

Call is not a slot you want to fill

With a random one

[mint coral]

They are part of the main 5 but the game won't prioritize them like the others yeah

[rustic vale]

the game will prioritise giving you cores if you don’t have them filled

[tepid plover]

I'm sorry what, yeah it is, they even show up top when offered

[torpid geyser]

also wouldnt ares work for bow? cuz doom would go off by the time the next shot is charged

[rustic vale]

and calls don’t count for that

[old bluff]

It will not

[rustic vale]

No it won’t

You aren’t playing bow fast enough then

Dash striking is much faster than that

[mint coral]

The game always offers you one of the 4 prioritized cores at 1st boon

[old bluff]

Rule of thumb is Ares attack is only taken for Merciful End

[mint coral]

Calls never show up there

[tepid plover]

Yes they dk

[mint coral]

You need to reroll for c1 call

[tepid plover]

Wow I'm tripping then

[rustic vale]

homie don’t spread misinformation

[torpid geyser]

how do i get rerolls?

[mint coral]

The only time you see c1 call normally is the pos scripted event

[old bluff]

It is the final mirror option on the green side

[tepid plover]

They do show up top, just like the rest of core boons

[mint coral]

Last mirror skill

[rustic vale]

Any boon can show up top

[mint coral]

Or work order: fated keys

[tepid plover]

But if you get offered, call +2 random boons call will always be on top just like the core boons

[rustic vale]

yeah but it’s not prioritised by the game like the 4 cores

It’s technically a core by showing up on your left ~

[old bluff]

Except Luci Arty call I think 😆

[rustic vale]

But the game does nothing to prioritise you getting it

You can tell by never being able to get a call off your first boon

*except for the scripted pos event that introduces you to calls

[rustic vale]

*unless you use rerolls

[torpid geyser]

time to get aspect of hestia (or is aspect of chiron better?)

[rustic vale]

Chiron is the 4th best bow aspect by a mile

[old bluff]

Neither are good at low blood levels

[tepid plover]

Ok I'm probably wrong about the game prioritizing it, but it it always shows above the rest of the boons that aren't core

[torpid geyser]

but which should i get tho so i can start upgrading it

[old bluff]

I would go Hestia

[torpid geyser]

k

[old bluff]

It will actually be good at high blood level

Unlike Chiron

[torpid geyser]

and do you have to beat hades for heat upgrades?

[tepid plover]

Yes?

[rustic vale]

Unless you’re on Hellmode

[old bluff]

For the next level of heat?

[torpid geyser]

i was wondering if you could get bounty from clearing tart asph elysium etc

[tepid plover]

You just won't claim hades bounty

[torpid geyser]

like could i get the titans blood from heat

[tepid plover]

I don't understand the question nvm

[torpid geyser]

without beating hades

[rustic vale]

You can’t just get titans blood from all heat levels without killing Hades

[old bluff]

Yes, but if you don't beat hades you can't get them again until you beat him

[rustic vale]

If you put it up to 2 heat it’ll give you 1 heat rewards till you beat hades

[tepid plover]

Oh you wanted to farm furies, for example

[rustic vale]

I mean aside from heat 1

[torpid geyser]

yeah cuz i need to upgrade hestia

[rustic vale]

If you want to do a quick run with each weapon at 1 heat you can easily get 6 titan blood but that’s the only case

Where you can force ahead

Because 1 heat is different from the rest

or rather 0 heat

since 0 heat is counted seperately from the entire heat system, you can turn up to heat 1 and grab those ttn bld and diamonds early iirc

[torpid geyser]

what about 2 heat? could i grind more titans blood via just farming furies turning up heat by 1 every time?

[rustic vale]

You can tell by just taking a weapon you haven’t beat Hades with and going right to the door

[rustic vale]

Nope

You can’t force past

But 1 heat is different because 0 heat doesn’t work the same way

I’m sorry I have to explain it like this

[tepid plover]

Bring golden touch farm gold and hope charon feels charitable

[obsidian drum]

For some reason I ||cannot get Dionysious's boons unless I buy them because I didn't give him the nectar before to finish the first half of the game||. Did I screw it?

[torpid geyser]

which one is golden touch again?

[rustic vale]

+15% obols every biome

it’s not great