ap2 can cuck your poms
#h1-discussion
latent moon
maiden narwhal
poms scale badly, for the most part
latent moon
and first pom is very important
maiden narwhal
what is c3?
latent moon
chamber 3
maiden narwhal
ah
latent moon
like you finish clearing c2 and the c3 choices are key vs nectar
maiden narwhal
ok now i can decipher this, yes
but that's v situational
and i think i'd still go key because
latent moon
tbf the more important part is whether or not you have 1 boon
maiden narwhal
with ri i have no dice
maiden narwhal
right
latent moon
so i guess on eris you can skip over that
maiden narwhal
and i'm only playing eris
latent moon
yeah lmao
maiden narwhal
unless i get frustrated and try to figure out hestia
figure out = get comfortable with
i got mad at unmodded eris and switched to shield
and had no idea how to play lol
took like half the run to feel normal
latent moon
although thinking about it, first pom on cp2 eris might actually be important although i'm not entirely sure on that
maiden narwhal
isn't first pom good regardless?
latent moon
i mean some stuff aren't worth pomming exactly
latent moon
like pomming lightning strike isn't exactly bad, but valuing a roll over first pom isn't like a wrong decision imo
latent moon
even zeus attack you said put 1-2
iirc i said like you can if you want, the majority should be going into jolted
1-2 into lightning strike kinda happens naturally bc you dont see jolted right away
maiden narwhal
oh so if i have both at level 1, i should always go jolted?
doh
oh well now i know
latent moon
like if you get a choice btwn pom and gold, you're prob gonna take the pom and if you only have like 2 boons and the 2nd one isn't jolted then you're just gonna put it into the atk
latent moon
oh so if i have both at level 1, i should always go jolted?
jolted is always priority for any build that uses zeus
jolted is how you deal damage
latent moon
side note, but iirc in the eris speedrun guide, tdash and jolted would ideally have equal pom levels
latent moon
shouldn't i switch to priviledge then?
no bc you cant guarantee a second curse
latent moon
at least they were right lol
but pstatus vs fam favs is an inconsistent 40% vs pretty consistent 25%
maiden narwhal
yeah that's why i switched
latent moon
which isn't like a massive different really
maiden narwhal
cause the meta says go ff
latent moon
there's very few reasons to use pstatus, and eris isn't one of them
maiden narwhal
i played pstatus exclusively
when running the game
with no heat, there's zero reason not to have two curses up constantly
latent moon
for heat, i will say pstatus vs fam favs is more variable, but specifically for eris i'd say fam favs unless you wanna use dio attack
latent moon
lmao i've never done it on eris and i dont plan to
stiff obsidian
ping
maiden narwhal
zeus with delta chamber really feels like eh
latent moon
haven't played eris in a while frankly
latent moon
lmao i mean tbf you kinda do at a certain point if you're losing to td3/random enemies
stiff obsidian
dio attack 🤢
latent moon
but i'm not!
we'll see when you do 50 or 54, whichever you want to do lmao
stiff obsidian
do 50
maiden narwhal
i only cleared 45 because i was forced to not play sloppy
obv i'll have to play tight to clear whatever i play next
latent moon
js3 cp1/cp2 is pretty rough for time
maiden narwhal
but i'll have a lot of fun trying to clear badly before i have to play one run well
latent moon
lmao mood
stiff obsidian
i play super sloppy and still clear
latent moon
1 run is all it takes
my 51 run had red dashes
would be not great if i didn't clear lmao
maiden narwhal
WHAT
latent moon
i went into eurydice with only 2 boons
maiden narwhal
i love that so much i want to buy it dinner
latent moon
and then picked up another along the way
then sold that one to UC
i guess i got hermes in aspho and rnged into purple dashes
then next room was eury or something
there's no reason to take poms and nectar is kinda pointless on ap2
so ambrosia was the only choice lmao
maiden narwhal
ooh lmao i thought you got the dem boon that resets and then takes them all the way to red
this is even better
maiden narwhal
aah
maiden narwhal
oh rare crop can't hit hermes boons
yeah i figured because it's never ever happened but you said you got one so then i thought maybe rng hated me
but this makes more sense
latent moon
oh lmao it do be like that tbf
maiden narwhal
that's wild
latent moon
sometimes rng hates you
maiden narwhal
consistency is all i crave
maiden narwhal
consistency is all i crave
5 points for hufflepuff if you get this reference
maiden narwhal
hades is the most consistent yet unconsistent game
i kinda wish it had more layers
you hit the growth ceiling too soon, i feel
maiden narwhal
i play super sloppy and still clear
built different
i only play bosses sloppy [on runs i clear]
because i don't really have a choice
it's not so much sloppy it's blind panic
latent moon
i kinda wish it had more layers
wdym by layers
like different ways of skill expression besides heat and speedrun?
maiden narwhal
no
ingame layers
not even mechanics
more like items, stats
those kind of synergies
more rpg
stiff obsidian
its already quite complicated
latent moon
i feel like the item/stat stuff is kinda just boon diversity?
granted uh
a lot of them are useless lol
maiden narwhal
lmao yeah
stiff obsidian
just get olymus extra
maiden narwhal
just get olymus extra
this is what i was thinking yes
it's not more layers but at least it's new content
latent moon
the higher you go
tbf the higher heat you go, the less meta stuff just doesnt work as well bc of time constraints
unless you're retrash then idk just do whatever lmao
maiden narwhal
yeah so right now i'm so high i'm limited to one aspect
and one hammer on it
so one attack, ever
steep condor
i only play bosses sloppy [on runs i clear]
lately my 40+ heat runs are usually really good but then em3 happens and i just throw it all away
maiden narwhal
all my clears have probably been ~ the same build
latent moon
yeah so right now i'm so high i'm limited to one aspect
and one hammer on it
so ...
you being limited to one aspect isn't the game's fault tbf lmao
maiden narwhal
lately my 40+ heat runs are usually really good but then em3 happens and i just ...
i hate how much i vibe with that
latent moon
and also you dont have to go delta chamber, you can go rocket too
maiden narwhal
start off so promising
stiff obsidian
i like this game for its difficulty and the satisfaction i get by pushing pbs
maiden narwhal
you being limited to one aspect isn't the game's fault tbf lmao
i mean.. you can't clear 64 because of skill issue
so yeah
the higher you go, the more limited you are
not the games' fault, but still a reality
latent moon
but also i feel like in any game, the higher difficulty you go the more "cookie cutter" you have to be bc less things just work
maiden narwhal
but also i feel like in any game, the higher difficulty you go the more "cookie ...
yes
steep condor
or i wanted to practice em4 on lower heat, like 20 something, but i barely get that far because with em3 i just play bad
maiden narwhal
it's literally the same with scrabble
the higher level the competition is, the more the boards all look the same
stiff obsidian
chess :troll
stiff obsidian
🗣️
latent moon
the higher level the competition is, the more the boards all look the same
ngl scrabble is a wild comparison to make, nothing wrong with it i just didn't expect that out of all games lmfao
maiden narwhal
it's actually not. it shows how it doesn't matter what the game is
the rule will apply
latent moon
you're probably not wrong, i just haven't seen competitive scrabble
maiden narwhal
like the 80:20 principle
stiff obsidian
also i really dont think all high heat runs look the same
speedruns sure
because you can usually get what u want
maiden narwhal
you're probably not wrong, i just haven't seen competitive scrabble
real scrabble is like the difference between playing scrabble and just making words
like real pool is the difference between playing pool and just potting balls
like real x is the difference between etcetera
it's a snowclone
applies to everything
steep condor
do you have to figure out scrabble mechanics, like, how likely is it to get that letter👀
maiden narwhal
outliers don't count
stiff obsidian
its pretty understandable that at the highest level of stuff everything is superoptimized already
latent moon
idk i feel like there's enough items/layers/stats/whatnot that brings enough diversity to this game
even at a casual point of view
maiden narwhal
do you have to figure out scrabble mechanics, like, how likely is it to get that...
scrabble is not a word game
scrabble is a puzzle game that uses words as pieces
players print out and study word lists without knowing meaning or etymology. they just memorise the word.
it's pattern recognition
scrabble is a game of probability; if there are 26 letters in the alphabet and 100 tiles, and there are n number of each alphabet, and 42 vowels, then the probability of drawing certain words is higher than the probability of drawing other words
this means you have the highest probability of drawing etaerio
the best players are really good at math
math skills is a whole 25% of the game
i am trash at math
but i am not bad at the other 75%
maiden narwhal
so yes. you figure out how likely you are to get the letter
what you keep on your rack is as important as what you play on the board
i know that if i play "vav" for 30 points, keeping "rate" on my rack, there's a very high probability my next play is going to be for 70+ points, because rate is a powerhouse set
it's basic cryptology
everyone knows the alphabet distribution
that e is the most occuring letter
that rtsn are in more words than xyzj
so you get rid of the xyzj, and you keep the rtns, until you draw a 7 or 8 letter word
maiden narwhal
so you get rid of the xyzj, and you keep the rtns, until you draw a 7 or 8 lette...
but then you should know the word you drew
and also you should be able to spot the word
and then you should be able to spot all the anagrams of the word, which is a very different skill from being able to spot the word
players use a lot of tools.
aerolith.org is used by all the top players in the world to keep their anagramming skills sharp
i'm going to shut up now i can talk about stuff i'm into forever
latent moon
competitive scrabble goes hard ngl
this is like
chess but with words
and i hardly know much about how to be good at chess
maiden narwhal
you don't even need to play competitively
i stopped playing tournaments because i hit a ceiling where i have to do word study
and i hate word study
i'm just an enthusiast
stone rune
me personally i would just find good words
maiden narwhal
scrabble gets compared to chess a lot, but they're not at all alike
in chess, the board never changes, ever
in scrabble, everything changes every move; the board, your rack, the bag
so there's only probability. no certainty
maiden narwhal
me personally i would just find good words
you'd probably hate losing enough to play properly
stone rune
i would probably not play scrabble
i have enough things
i have hads and cubing and chess and thats enough
maiden narwhal
it's your scenario, not mine
stone rune
but if i played scrabble i would simply win
maiden narwhal
what's cubing
stone rune
speedcubing
latent moon
scrabble gets compared to chess a lot, but they're not at all alike
in chess, t...
i feel like the reason it gets compared to chess a lot is bc it's just the other popular board game that everyone knows
and like people are aware it gets much deeper than the surface level but most people just dont go that deep, which is prob where that comparison comes from
maiden narwhal
only 1% of global scrabble players play like.. real scrabble
and they are the ones comparing it to chess, to try to make other people understand
so
maiden narwhal
but if i played scrabble i would simply win
if you played noobs, sure
latent moon
they prob compare it to chess bc it's just what people know lmao
latent moon
there's prob other board games out there that would work better but i doubt people would know about it
maiden narwhal
not exactly helping
go, i think?
is more like chess
when i was in shenzhen i used to watch them play in the park sometimes
latent moon
but they're nothing alike so
idk maybe at a surface level they're kinda similar but it's held together by like scotch tape lmao
and then when you get deeper into it you're kinda like "this isn't chess at all" lmao
maiden narwhal
speedcubing
rubiks?
stone rune
yes
maiden narwhal
what's your fastest?
stiff obsidian
i have a cube but i dont know how to solve it
i keep it on my desk because it makes me look smart
latent moon
tbf at a surface level, hades can prob be compared to a lot of other roguelites even tho they're not like remotely similar and the only similarity is like the genre
stone rune
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stiff obsidian
do you play modded
latent moon
lmfao
stone rune
yeah i use magnetized cube
stone rune
its modded because its the only way to make them usable
its not htat hard
u just make the cross and then do f2l then oll then pll
maiden narwhal
i could youtube it and then do that repeatedly until i have the muscle memory down
but it would have nothing to do with my ability to solve it
stone rune
nobody makes their own intuitive whatever method
thats not a thing that happens
until you{ve already learned how to solve
and you learn commutators
then its possible to create your """own""" method
maiden narwhal
its not htat hard
no it's proven i took tests
maiden narwhal
brains work in different ways some people have more of an aptitude for something than others do
maiden narwhal
this rpg gacha i'm playing introduced some structural puzzle and ruined everything
stiff obsidian
if you can play scrabble oy can solve a cube
maiden narwhal
nobody makes their own intuitive whatever method
oh
then i know nothing about cubing
just like i knew nothing about speedrunning
stone rune
vast majority of solvers do cfop
you solve the 4 white edges
and then do the remaining 4 f2l pairs
at the start intuitively
but you build algorithsm for them over time
and then you do orientation of last layer
which is algorithm
and permutation also algorithm
latent moon
i learned how to solve a rubiks cube by using the manual that came with the box :)
which was like 10 years ago at this point lmao
maiden narwhal
i stopped trying to solve rubiks cubes in 1988
i was very bad at it
but i also didn't know what cfop was
stone rune
here let me show standard solve
stiff obsidian
yes
maiden narwhal
i've always felt so stupid for not getting rubiks cubes
stone rune
bro cubedb is so advanced
maiden narwhal
and thinking speedcubing was like.. magic
stone rune
this is insane
stiff obsidian
when he solved it in that cab?
is that from pursuit of happiness
maiden narwhal
is that from pursuit of happiness
yes
except they made a big deal about spelling it happyness
i think
that was a great movie
that scene in the subway toilet
i cried
stone rune
here
this is a scramble and a stadnard solve
annotated
59 htm which is a little high but probably because of the bad oll
stiff obsidian
F2_R2_F2_U2_F2_R_B2_L2_R_B2_F2_D2_F-_U-_F_U2_B-_R-_B-U2_L2&alg=z2%2F%2F_inspection%0AU2_L_D-_F-_D-B_D-%2F%2F_cross%0Ay_L_U2_L-_U-_L_U_L-%2F%2F_1st_pair%0AU2_R_L-_U_L_R-%2F%2F_2nd_pair%0Ay_U2_L-_U_L_U-L-U_L%2F%2F_3rd_pair%0AR_U-_R-_F_R-F-R%2F%2F_4th_pair%0AU-_S_R-_U-_R_U-_R-U2_R_U2_S-%2F%2F_OLL%0AU2_l-_U_R-_D2_R_U-R-D2_l_R%2F%2F_PLL
ong
stone rune
yeah
maiden narwhal
so you don't actually look at the colours?
you just get your starting point, and then it's all just layer and knowing what to do?
maiden narwhal
interesting
maiden narwhal
i should do this, just to train myself to do something new
stone rune
but basically everyone just does some look ahead
tracking pieces while you do other things
maiden narwhal
ok so you have to keep stopping and figuring out?
stone rune
no
stone rune
that’s the point of look ahead
stone rune
can you course correct if you did something wrong?
it’s rare to screw up in that manner
unless you’re still learning
like for me i will never do an f2l case or an oll or pll wrong in 2 handed unless i just learned it
maiden narwhal
that’s the point of look ahead
if i didn't even know what cubing was obv i don't know the jargon
stone rune
but in one handed where i’m still learning i can do a g perm wrong
well look ahead is tracking pieces while you do some other step
maiden narwhal
ah ok
stone rune
in that solve when u see like nth pair each of those is an individual algorithm
maiden narwhal
so you're always playing for the next piece, the next layer
stone rune
after you see the case you don’t need to keep looking at that pair
so you look for your next pair to eliminate that pause
maiden narwhal
got it
stone rune
when you’re a beginner you pause a lot
as you get better you pause less and less
but it’s not linear
if your tps increases out of step with your lookahead you can be turning too fast for your eyes
and the big pauses to recognize come back
there’s even the idea of 2 sided recognition for last layer
because witb 2 sides you can always find out what case you have
but it can be very hard
stone rune
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maiden narwhal
lfie should be a 2d platformer
stone rune
like these are 2 different cases
i know they’re either an A perm or a Ga perm but hell if i know which
from this angle
maiden narwhal
i know they’re either an A perm or a Ga perm but hell if i know which
sounds more like music
stone rune
because everything other than E perm can be recognized based on blocks of same colors next to each other
but when you get to 2 sided it’s a lot more complicated
because there are the easy relationships
maiden narwhal
i think i'll start with the wiki
stone rune
white and yellow vs green and blue vs red and orange
maiden narwhal
so i actually know what these things are that you are talking about
stone rune
but when u have to split those up it gets rlly hard
just use the jperm tutorial
very good
maiden narwhal
ah cool
stone rune
if u don’t have a cube i recommend the standard rs3m v5
it’s 9 bucks and competes with 40-60 dollar cubes
if u want to get into blindfolded the tengyun is a good choice if a little old
maiden narwhal
i'm 1:39 in and i already don't get it
how many different ways can that thing spin
stone rune
wdym
maiden narwhal
the way the faces rotate
stone rune
there are 6 sides and 18 total moves
stone rune
you can move each side clockwise or counterclockwise or 180 degrees
stone rune
do u have a cube
maiden narwhal
i'm looking for the one you recommended on amazon
stone rune
should be somewhere
id recommend speedcubeshop though
or the cubicle
scs if west coast cubicle if east
and if ur gonna get into it i’d recommend a little lube
both stores sell some
personally i’m on west coast so i buy from scs and i got 10ml of lunar and stardust
and they have lasted for like 5 years
stone rune
that’s a little over
maiden narwhal
scs if west coast cubicle if east
i don't live in america
maiden narwhal
india
stone rune
the typical trade off for ordering from cubezz in the us is it takes like 3-5 weeks to ship
but if it’s not so bad where u are it might be more worthwhile
stone rune
their website is complete garbage
takes ages to load a search
but the prices are good and the shipping is free
if ur looking for more broad idea then this vid is good https://youtu.be/wY0G8YHAOhY?si=Yj2ZvQ6trEPm6VpH
it covers a lot of puzzles too
so if ur interested in stuff like mega or pyra or squan
maiden narwhal
ah they only take paypal so i can't pay for that anyway
stone rune
i highly recommend square 1
maiden narwhal
may as well just get from amazon it's a couple of bucks more and next day delivery
stone rune
very fun puzzle and everyone thinks it’s cool
maiden narwhal
and the box has chinese on it so
stone rune
every single good cube company is chinese
there is no company that has released a good cube outside china
i dont know why
just how it is
maiden narwhal
does murika not have speed cubers?
stone rune
it does
it does not have speed cube designing companies
moyu, dayan, gan, yj all chinese
maiden narwhal
fair enough
stone rune
actually i’m not sure if the dolphin cube was chinese
quaint wind
this conversation seems more suited to #off-topic-discussion
brisk trail
Why cant i gift achilles nectar anymore, i check my codex and theres a heart w a lock or something
lavish sorrel
At some point, relationships max out and you have to complete a quest (favor) for said character to progress.
Also go to #h1-story-discussion for further story questions
brisk trail
At some point, relationships max out and you have to complete a quest (favor) fo...
So i basically gotta talk to him more until he asks me for a favor?
lavish sorrel
That is how a lot of the game's story-progression works. Yes.
brisk trail
Bro i almost beat thesus but i had low hp, imma cry 😭😭
How do i deal w him, can anybody give tips
I dealt w astrid first but then he took most of my hp n all my death defiances
tepid light
I dealt w astrid first but then he took most of my hp n all my death defiances
what's giving you the most trouble with theseus?
brisk trail
what's giving you the most trouble with theseus?
Theres not really much trouble with thesus since i suffer w astrid more, but i suppose its his blocking and his call w the gods, really bothering and they both do so much dmg
tepid light
Theres not really much trouble with thesus since i suffer w astrid more, but i s...
when the call first happens, just run around and dodge the tracking aoe's, but i don't imagine that's what's giving you trouble
unlike regular greatshields, theseus doesn't always keep his shield pointed towards you and sometimes might just turn his back to you while walking around, so take advantage of that
if the continuous aoe's from the calls keep hitting you, i'd suggest just playing it safe and dashing in, hitting him a few times, and dashing right back out to avoid the aoe's/his own attacks
mint coral
Depending on the god called you can also stand next to him to bait the spin attack, dash through him and hit his back
It keeps you at the distance so he tries the spin again and again
brisk trail
when the call first happens, just run around and dodge the tracking aoe's, but i...
Alright
What about astrid tho, like he’s the strongest n has the most health, how do i deal w him than thesus since bro literally costed me 2 death defiances to beat him
mint coral
Keep yourself behind a pillar so Theseus can't snkpe you while fighting Asterius
last veldt
Astereus is tanky, but predictable. He has only a simple set of attacks each with a long wind up time, so is very learnable.
mint coral
Them for asterius, dash through his attacks instead of away
Wait, do you know how dash iframes work?
brisk trail
Astereus is tanky, but predictable. He has only a simple set of attacks each wit...
Tbh i was just dashing when he attacked but i still got hit by something, dont remember tho
last veldt
Often dashing towards him (well slightly to one side) and through/under his attacks is the best tactic.
brisk trail
Wait, do you know how dash iframes work?
No
mint coral
No
Dash is fully invincible for most of its duration, but if you do any other input during the dash the iframes are cancelled (dash strike for example)
last veldt
Also, that fight is very much a skill check for how your build is going. You should be expecting to put out a decent amount of direct damage at that point. If the fight is lasting many minutes you might have a weak build.
brisk trail
Dash is fully invincible for most of its duration, but if you do any other input...
Ohhh, i was just spamming my dash, special, n attack buttons notstop during the fight lmfao
Hades mobile controls r so weird
mint coral
Them for asterius, dash through his attacks instead of away
For the attack where he follows you, stand next to a wall/pillar/theseus (this one less reliable) and wait at the last second and dash through him
Oh you are playing on mobile?
brisk trail
Oh you are playing on mobile?
Yes
mint coral
Banger
mint coral
For the attack where he follows you, stand next to a wall/pillar/theseus (this o...
Another option to stop this attack is using a call
All calls give a small amount of iframes when activated
stiff obsidian
Hades mobile controls r so weird
damnn
mint coral
So if you time it well you can dodge it like that
Also what keepsake are you taking into elysium?
brisk trail
Another option to stop this attack is using a call
Should i use athena’s call or zeus’s call for the fight, i’ve used them before n they’re pretty good imo
mint coral
Your choice
brisk trail
Also what keepsake are you taking into elysium?
Skelly’s tooth for extra death defiance
last veldt
Not many, if any, of us old timers play mobile so you might be on your own in that regard.
mint coral
Zeus-dio calls are peak attack/athena is just great defense
brisk trail
Zeus-dio calls are peak attack/athena is just great defense
Ohh alr
mint coral
Skelly’s tooth for extra death defiance
Once you have less problem with the area itself I suggest swapping to the acorn (Eurydice's)
brisk trail
Not many, if any, of us old timers play mobile so you might be on your own in th...
Prob, hades mobile is a netflix game exclusive so its very limited lol
last veldt
In general you'll get further prioritizing good damage output over defense. Shorter fights mean less chance of being hit.
brisk trail
Once you have less problem with the area itself I suggest swapping to the acorn ...
Alr
mint coral
Zeus-dio calls are peak attack/athena is just great defense
Zeus dmg escales the more boons you get from him (double strike/static discharge/billowing strength/splitting bolt) dio call goes further with more poms
last veldt
The acorn is worth leveling up anyway.
mint coral
Zeus is also half of the duo with aphrodite which is super good
(on that note, don't use full calls)
last veldt
And with Artemis for rod.
mint coral
You get more value of the smaller ones
mint coral
(on that note, don't use full calls)
Unless aphro/artemis calls
brisk trail
The acorn is worth leveling up anyway.
What does it do anyways
mint coral
Blocks first 3/4/5 hits in the boss arena
last veldt
Nullifies first N hits from the next boss.
brisk trail
Blocks first 3/4/5 hits in the boss arena
Ohh, that seems pretty useful
mint coral
Heroes/final boss you can easily block more than 100 dmg
last veldt
Also works on Astereus when you encounter him on his own and isn't used up for the Heroes fight.
brisk trail
Also works on Astereus when you encounter him on his own and isn't used up for t...
Wait his name is astereus? I kept calling him astrid lmaoo
last veldt
Yeah, 99%
mint coral
Heroes/final boss you can easily block more than 100 dmg
Another upside of acorn is it works on multiple bosses
So you can just keep it for the next biome
brisk trail
Ah alr, so i’ll just try n use god keepsakes for tartarus n asphodel n then use acorn for elysium
mint coral
Yeah, there's still some worth in tooth especially once you reach the next area just in case is a trouble for you
But acorn is just really good
brisk trail
Yeah, there's still some worth in tooth especially once you reach the next area ...
Alr
Thanks for the tips guys, imma go start another run n see how it goes
lavish sorrel
Yeah, 99%
That missing 1% being the typo in the message 
Asterius
Oh wait wrong message
Whoops my brain merged that message and the one right before it for some reason, my bad.
brisk trail
Ok so update : i beat thesus and the bull but i died in sytx, farthest i’ve come so i’m proud of it, btw what can u do w ambrosia?
mint coral
Ok so update : i beat thesus and the bull but i died in sytx, farthest i’ve come...
Is super nectar basically, for people you are already close with
(aka once you get past the heart lock)
brisk trail
Is super nectar basically, for people you are already close with
Ohh alr, is this nectar basically for romancing
Guys does charon ever speak
maiden narwhal
lmao no thick skin
i just realised why i keep dying
and false played this sloppy you say
i gotta sit up
if you're playing ri2 then hs is free
traps do so much damage you gotta keep an eye on them anyway
oh ffs i had hs on that's why traps are doing so much damage
aw you have to play cp1 then
ok ap2 ri1
is 50
with cp and em4 off
brisk trail
Guys how do i beat styx 
its so hard
lavish sorrel
You get poseidon dash and breaking wave from poseidon
Barely joking
brisk trail
The poison is insane
lavish sorrel
Have you tried not getting poisoned
More seriously, there are antidote wells scattered across each room. Keep an eye out for them.
stiff obsidian
just kill them before the poison takes effect
with ri0 ap0 it should be easy to get such a build
stiff obsidian
i used to panic whenever i got poisoned, but you can actually go quite a while poisoned before it takes any meaningful amount of hp off
brisk trail
Have you tried not getting poisoned <:SmugBoi:730312558866858024>
More serious...
Is there a guarantee for one to be in a room
stiff obsidian
yes
mint coral
if there's poison there's cure
brisk trail
also take mini-boss rooms first
Ight
stiff obsidian
or however it goes
brisk trail
prevention is better than a cure
How to prevent
mint coral
kill them all first
stiff obsidian
over time u will understand how to build better, and things will automatically start dying much faster
mint coral
You get poseidon dash and breaking wave from poseidon
Barely joking
this legit works
or if you want other dash, use his cast
barren bridge
mint coral
lc4 dds 
stiff obsidian
:dread:
brisk trail
Dude the enemies in styx r so hard to kill, they’re literally jumping on me w armor on
maiden narwhal
switched to modded afteri got my first 50
ಠ_ಠ
maiden narwhal
pausing to look for the curing pool always works
panicking while looking for the curing pools works slightly less well
but works regardless
maiden narwhal
switched to modded afteri got my first 50
i had to do 45 modded i hate you
stiff obsidian
i would recommend modded
maiden narwhal
i mean
unmodded felt impossible and modded was done in 2 runs
but that just means huge skill rift?
idk
last veldt
Dude the enemies in styx r so hard to kill, they’re literally jumping on me w ar...
As I said yesterday, get Razor Shoals and make em pay for all that running around.
maiden narwhal
Dude the enemies in styx r so hard to kill, they’re literally jumping on me w ar...
poseidon cast works nicely just empty your clip as you dash at them, there'll be v little left to clean up
stiff obsidian
i suppose psychologically also helps knowing that you will get your hammer and 2 sack so you have better expectations of winning
maiden narwhal
i suppose psychologically also helps knowing that you will get your hammer and 2...
there's so much consistency to a chosen hammer run
stiff obsidian
yes
maiden narwhal
almost none to an unmodded one
last veldt
I always thought you were guaranteed a 2-sack first time through Styx because I had it for my first 3 fresh file runs. Then I got a 5-sack with Tony.
stiff obsidian
🙂
mint coral
hell of a change lol
maiden narwhal
I always thought you were guaranteed a 2-sack first time through Styx because I ...
i've clocked 600+ hours and i only just stopped clearing styx
last veldt
Yeah, screw you game!
last veldt
That's ... A lot of practice.
mint coral
styx kinda lame, why would I play more of it
last veldt
You can't keep
mint coral
I already can win with what I have tho
lavish sorrel
I always thought you were guaranteed a 2-sack first time through Styx because I ...
Fresh filer spotted
maiden narwhal
I already can win with what I have tho
yeah but that isn't the point
i guess it's an rpg thing
to leave no urn unbroken
mint coral
even on rpgs I'm like that
last veldt
I know that itch but I'm not risking 3 more tunnels where I can get super Satyr'd.
mint coral
or never went with the "what if I need it later"
last veldt
Someone suggested there should be an RPG boss which just uses up all your consumable healing items that you've stockpiled but never used yourself.
mint coral
also I watched Haelian a lot so just moved naturally into "just use TD"
I think I def would full clear styx for a while otherwise
lavish sorrel
Someone suggested there should be an RPG boss which just uses up all your consum...
Pro strat: use them all before entering the bossfight 
maiden narwhal
i guess i like to go into dad as op as i can be
so i have to do as little running away and playing safe as possible
all weapons should be a shield you can both hide behind and bullrush into the middle of things with
nocturne kelp
maiden narwhal
woah i got a buddy
HI FREN
they should've called poseidons' boon bountiful booty
quasi dust
heya
maiden narwhal
yo
maiden narwhal
do y'all know about the meme
where the acting directions were [disappointed]
like he was supposed to act disappointed
and instead he yelled DISAPPOINTED!!
brisk trail
How do i beat hades ( the boss ) 😭
It legit disappointed me when i saw he had a 2nd phase
brisk trail
As I said yesterday, get Razor Shoals and make em pay for all that running aroun...
I have never seen nor got razor shoals lmao
last veldt
Pick up Poseidon cast or dash, which unlocks Razor Shoals.
Use alongside pretty much any weapon.
stiff obsidian
fandom wiki :dread:
last veldt
At least the basics are there.
If there's a preferred Wiki to cite, please let me know.
mint coral
last veldt
Ta
mint coral
Tho you still want fandom wiki for favors at least
last veldt
I'll try and use that if I can get good links.
lavish sorrel
https://wiki.hades.run/doku.php here's one for bugs (WIP by the speedrunning community)
stiff obsidian
https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ is nice
o i was looking for this
then realized i bookmarked it
last veldt
It legit disappointed me when i saw he had a 2nd phase
Yeah, that's a fun surprise. Sounds like you're close now though.
mint coral
I have it pinned in the server I use to send pics here lol
stiff obsidian
https://wiki.hades.run/doku.php here's one for bugs (WIP by the speedrunning com...
its editable?
last veldt
Worth remembering that "putting a build together" is really the main mechanic in Hades, so if you find you're hitting a brick wall somewhere and aren't paying attention to the strengths and weaknesses of your builds, it might be time to start.
Seems like you can't deeplink to a specific boon in that github thing 😦
brisk trail
Yeah, that's a fun surprise. Sounds like you're close now though.
Can u give me any heads up for him? Hes so tanky
dire elk
How do i beat hades ( the boss ) 😭
Win.
dire elk
Can u give me any heads up for him? Hes so tanky <:zagcry:1012805268519780352>
Learn the dodge timing
Very good thing to have
last veldt
Distance and spacing. Until you learn the big attacks, they'll knock chunks off you. Phase 2 is technically easier but you need to get there enough times to learn it. Definitely use the pillars to block and control spacing when he comes after you.
dire elk
Plus have a good build
Also if you're new and just want to beat him
Use aegis
Bull rush will allow you to deal easy damage without getting hit
Specifically aspect of Zeuz
*s
last veldt
My "beginner safe build" would almost always include trying the get the Artemis/Zeus duo boon "Lightning Rod" and the 2nd tier boon "Jolted". This lets you dump 3 cast crystals into walls and concentrate on dodging/observing the fight while they do gradual damage.
With Poseidon dash, Razor Shoals and Sea Storm, you could reasonably comfortably beat him without ever worrying about attacking or putting yourself in significant danger, other than the (phase 2) ||lasers||.
So start with Poseidon keepsake (dash or cast), hope for Zeus naturally (or force it in Asphodel) on attack or call (depends on weapon) and hope to see Artemis (add her to a remaining "core" boon).
This compliments almost any weapon choice nicely.
true oak
Eh, Rod is a bit overrated especially as the arena is so big
last veldt
Not if you don't know Dad's moves yet.
true oak
Plus longer fight means more damage taken
last veldt
Only if you are ever in attack range.
Yes it's slow, but it's going to let a beginner concentrate on learning how to dodge big attacks.
true oak
Dad has a big range and lunge
last veldt
Yeah, which you need to learn.
true oak
I think actually fighting him properly is the fastest way to learn
last veldt
I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but one less thing to worry about when it's all new is good.
true oak
It's not like dad sits in one place to get lrod
serene arrow
guys is 45 fps is playable on hades?
last veldt
yeah
Rod has a big area. Hit both pillars to place crystals and you cover basically the whole arena other than the extreme edges (which Dad doesn't stay in).
last veldt
Didn't I just say "This compliments almost any weapon choice nicely."
It's not the build, but it going to give you space and time in the fight.
Better than going in for an attack without knowng the moves and getting hit for 80 dmg.
true oak
OK as long as you actually know how to use your weapon in the first place
last veldt
I think it's hard for people who play a lot to really remember what it's like to get to Dad the first few times. You likely won't have all DDs, you don't know what's coming and it can all be over in 30 seconds before you learn anything useful for next time. Just having a bit of passive damage so you don't need to commit to risky hits all the time is good. Something new happens and you can concentrate on getting the heck out of there but still do some non-trivial damage over time.
true oak
Equally though you have to learn when it is and isn't safe to attack
Running away all the time can help but only so much
stiff obsidian
time to play hades
oops i said this and forgot to
last veldt
I didn't suggest you should be running away all the time, just that you can resort to it when things go south and be more selective in your attacks. It's less frantic IME.
true oak
best passive build is shield smair though lmao
mint coral
Shield rod smair
fervent radish
I think I sell chain here
stiff obsidian
non believer
stiff obsidian
jolt proccing for 500 by lernie at 50 heat is so fun
stiff obsidian
yea
brisk trail
Does the game get harder once u reach hades?
lavish sorrel
brisk trail
You get 2 new enemies in tart but that's it
If u have better relationships w the gods, does their boons rarity increase
lavish sorrel
Demeter appearance as soon as you reach dad once, by itself, makes low% like 2 times harder
Because theseus dem summon bad
mint coral
If u have better relationships w the gods, does their boons rarity increase
No but it's funnier if you tell urself it does
brisk trail
What happens if u max out relationship w bouldy
last veldt
He does a little dance for you.
Well it's Sisyphus you have the relation with, but you get a "companion" from him.
That's those large heart containers in the keepsake cabinet.
stiff obsidian
usually yeah
personally i struggle to even clear furies without delta so if its like the last door id take hammer
maiden narwhal
this game is crazy with 50hp
you gotta treat every chamber like it matters
well. i gotta
maiden narwhal
personally i struggle to even clear furies without delta so if its like the last...
i managed furies but couple finished me
stiff obsidian
no hammer yet?
maiden narwhal
nope
also my game does this weird thing where it'll arbitrarily freeze for an arbitrary amount of time
stiff obsidian
😄
stiff obsidian
do u mean like frame drop or actual freeze
stiff obsidian
except the bad guys
wtf
maiden narwhal
idk what framedrop is but zag can't move at all
but i could attack
just not move
it lasted over 4 seconds this time
v frustrating
i wonder if i should reinstall
maiden narwhal
it lasted over 4 seconds this time
in which time gorgon froze me and easter head killed me
stiff obsidian
pretty sure the gorgon just stunned you
maiden narwhal
what i hate the most is that it's arbitrary
sometimes nothing works, sometimes i can attack
computers are supposed to be binary
how can the bug freeze me for 3 seconds sometimes and 5 seconds other times
maiden narwhal
pretty sure the gorgon just stunned you
no it's been happening for a while
it doesn't happen often
certainly not every run
different chambers, different levels, different times
stiff obsidian
have to record
maiden narwhal
i can see no reason or pattern. it's always when i enter a chamber
well then i'll have to record everything until it happens
i've never mentioned it before because how to even describe it
so i just live with it
but i should reinstall
maiden narwhal
and if i record it, all it will look like is that i'm standing there
you won't see that keyboard actions are not responding
but i'm really curious if anyone else has ever experienced it
it never happened when i played through the first time
maiden narwhal
yeah that's what's weird, only my character freezes
most of the time the only problem is td3
don't think it's ever happened in couple room before
why did i go nectar over key
@latent moon even if i have only one boon, why do i want to pom zeus attack?
how is dice not better
latent moon
i thought i said last night that taking a dice there is fine lmao
like on eris first pom on lightning strike isn't that important, it's just nice
fervent radish
Always take dice lol
steep condor
i never had the game freeze, but sometimes it, idk the english words, stutters? when there's a lot happening on screen, eg lots of cloners
thought that was just a switch thing though
maiden narwhal
i thought i said last night that taking a dice there is fine lmao
oh i thought you said you'd path nectar if you had one boon
ok
idk if i'd ever pick nectar over key with ri on
stone rune
like beo or hera or something
maiden narwhal
i never had the game freeze, but sometimes it, idk the english words, stutters? ...
yeah that sounds more like a performance issue
but i've got a new laptop and it's pretty decent
maiden narwhal
typically nectar vs key when u have something u really want poms on
so if i have aphro special go nectar?
latent moon
oh i thought you said you'd path nectar if you had one boon
depends on first boon imo
yeah like aphro special really likes first pom
stiff obsidian
if ur deep into tart and dont have any poms or good boons u can take the nectar
latent moon
first pom on aphro special is like 40% lmao
maiden narwhal
also idk why jazz goes gems over darkness when darkness gives 5hp
and gems give bugger all
latent moon
20 gold good
stone rune
its literally 5 hp
latent moon
for anyheat at least
maiden narwhal
wym
stiff obsidian
5 hp doesnt do anything
latent moon
the 5 hp generally doesnt make that big of a different tbf
maiden narwhal
i forgot about that completely
or i never knew
assuming it's a contractor thing
latent moon
yeah
maiden narwhal
ok that makes more sense then
latent moon
same contractor thing as darkness giving 5 hp lmao
maiden narwhal
i will start gems
20 gold hugely better than 5 hp
how do you 50 without ap?
i can only 49
stiff obsidian
on ri2 i like darkness
mint coral
Hell mode?
stiff obsidian
yes
maiden narwhal
i need to start a fresh file for that, right?
mint coral
Exclusive pact yup
stiff obsidian
i need to start a fresh file for that, right?
no
mint coral
Modded lets you change iirc
stiff obsidian
modpack has a toggle
maiden narwhal
oh sweet
but what does hell mode do other than force pact from the start?
so it's just... free now?
stiff obsidian
yea
maiden narwhal
lmao
mint coral
PL free until is not
maiden narwhal
nobody tells me anything
ok sweet
ah pl
it's already not free
because i have 50hp
and legit died to a room full of splitters
latent moon
ri2 at 50?
stiff obsidian
splitters are the worst tartarus enemy
so it makes sense
if u mean switches
witches
maiden narwhal
yes
latent moon
it do be like that
latent moon
yeah
maiden narwhal
lol
latent moon
that's generally on at like 40-45 lmao
stiff obsidian
that's 49
ri2 ap0 and ri1 ap1 are the same heat, idk where ur getting the difference from
stiff obsidian
that's generally on at like 40-45 lmao
i dont use hs until atleast 54 lol
latent moon
generally speaking, hs shouldn't be that large of a problem at this point of heat bc you should have good movement/positioning lmao
stiff obsidian
if i can avoid it
stiff obsidian
🤢
latent moon
well not free but like it's not bad
maiden narwhal
generally speaking, hs shouldn't be that large of a problem at this point of hea...
no i'm terrible lol i play 50 exactly like i play 0
latent moon
for like 45
latent moon
just dont hit the pots
stiff obsidian
🤯
maiden narwhal
hades: just don't
stone rune
in my 54 heat dad never did the pot attack
stiff obsidian
🗿
maiden narwhal
you stunned him out of it?
stone rune
no i got lucky
maiden narwhal
oh i thought it was an action he had to go through before the phase ended
and your 54 was em4?
stone rune
no
maiden narwhal
ah ok
stone rune
and he doesnt have to do anything before the phase ends
maiden narwhal
i guess 3 phases no pot would be p improbable
stone rune
maiden narwhal
good god that's a lot of damage
this is why you play beo eh
has to be more than that tho
mint coral
i guess 3 phases no pot would be p improbable
Em4 passive summons pots so yeah
maiden narwhal
do ri0 ap2 it should be fine
better than cp1 yeah?
cp throws off the flow this is the problem
also it takes forever to kill them
maiden narwhal
cp1 is forced
aah cause hell
stiff obsidian
tyes
maiden narwhal
and then i just reset if i don't get an attack seed
no i was wrong
it's ap2 ri1 that's 50
wow that sucks
weak cave
what do "ap2" and "ri1" mean?
maiden narwhal
approval process and routine inspection
weak cave
just got to the server, still figuring things
maiden narwhal
just abbreviations for the pact
stiff obsidian
why
maiden narwhal
lol tart traps take me down 🤌
styx is easiest tart is horrible it should not be this way
and then there's elysium
maiden narwhal
i'm thinking of the shield dudes
and no thick skin
ok i'll turn hs on and ri off
maiden narwhal
OH
the thingy isn't saving hell mode toggle
it has presets but no custom
sadness
maiden narwhal
yeah i didn't do that when i turned it on
ok NOW ap2 ri0 no hs is 50
with forced cp and pl
why do i have max ap but none of my choices removed?
is it something the mod did when i toggled hell mode?
stone rune
thats normal
maiden narwhal
it's normal to have ap2 but no choices removed?
stone rune
u have dontgetvorimed on
maiden narwhal
yeah because i'm going to reset if i don't get attack anyway
cool
should i be forcing it to give me epic too?
upper wolf
your call
maiden narwhal
i mean.. i could pretend good rng gave me epic
and that i reset until it did
idk
upper wolf
I started doing it when I tried for 50heat rama
bruh
that's exactly what the modpack does 
It just removes rng
well, some rng
maiden narwhal
yes i know it just feels a little..
eh
i used a mod pack for path of exile so i could colour code drops etc
this isn't that much difference
what's it called?
upper wolf
do whatever you want
maiden narwhal
i want to do whatever i want and still feel like my clear is valid. so
upper wolf
but I for sure don't see the point in spamming commit no escape until you get a seed you can work with
ofc your clear is valid
upper wolf
to the darkest pits of tartarus with them
maiden narwhal
what's it called?
?
stone rune
whats what called
fervent radish
First boon epic
stone rune
maiden narwhal
danke
latent moon
should i be forcing it to give me epic too?
eris doesnt really need lightning strike to be epic
but you can if you want lmao
maiden narwhal
oh ok cool
no i definitely don't want to do more things than i have to
although if it's the same install instructions as the speedpack it's pretty simple
latent moon
it's prob the same tbh, although i've never done it so idrk
but i think for 50, lightning strike rarity doesnt matter
fervent radish
I mostly run first boon epic for zeus shield