yes i just have to remember to hit shift. have to figure out if reload is better on the side or as right click
#h1-discussion
void vigil
lol yeah I would swap them, and then use the default binds and get confused
maiden narwhal
lol yeah I would swap them, and then use the default binds and get confused
i'm still hitting r repeatedly so
i want to force smouldering if i can?
that's one of the best ones?
but i just took arty on special so now idk where i'd even put aphrodite
maybe i'll sell the special
gray apex
Smoldering is good but somewhat needy
maiden narwhal
after furies
gray apex
You need a lot of things for it to be worth
maiden narwhal
i'm hoping for zeus call it synergises so well
maiden narwhal
yeah jolted is usually my second boon
when hammer isn't my seed
i don't even need to roll for it
it's been coming consistently
allah loves me
i hate seed hammer
i like being pleasantly surprised
gray apex
If you get a lot of Zeus early you can even consider getting Storm Lightning
maiden narwhal
and since hammer shouldn't be make or break, if i get a bad hammer big deal
is hammer a big deal with eris?
gray apex
And Zeus call is also completely fine on its own you don’t need smoldering to make it work
It’s pretty important especially at 40 heat
No reason not to
maiden narwhal
yeah zeus call with jolted melted alecto ln
it was hilarious she had like 30% hp
then i hit f
and her sisters pressed f
ah bananas said eris doesn't need a duo
gray apex
I would also recommend you run Infernal
maiden narwhal
that's why tooth works
gray apex
So Lightning rod is open
maiden narwhal
oh sweet
latent moon
ah bananas said eris doesn't need a duo
it doesn't but like you still kinda aim for it
maiden narwhal
especially since i'm not using cast so much
latent moon
it's just not the end of the world if you dont get one
gray apex
Yea it’s because your ideal options are Aphro and Arty
latent moon
zeus -> arty -> rod or zeus -> aphro -> call -> smair
you kinda naturally get the duo open ideally
if you dont get the duo it's whatever, if you do get the duo then that's neat
maiden narwhal
hades is exciting again idk how to describe it
gray apex
Athena for Special Dash Call are all good
maiden narwhal
i thought 32 was when i'd stop playing
and i was right because 40 was not happening with shield
eris no cursor has opened the game up to where i think 40 is doable
so then why not more
i don't want hades 2 to drop
i got too much to do here
gray apex
Then it’ll be 50
gray apex
The nice thing about those pacts is that just practicing is enough to beat them
You can always do it
Regardless of rng
maiden narwhal
yeah just move better miss less
gray apex
When you do 40 and 45, 50 will feel feasible
maiden narwhal
i still don't have special cast timing down
i'm terrible at it
it moves too slow
so there's lots to learn
i really think if you have cluster and delta and a strong build eris plays itself
you just have to move around
gray apex
You can also go for riskier plays when you’re better
Which can save time
Like chaos gates, tidal dash etc
gray apex
Yea it always starts like that
gray apex
You need to turn on HS for extra motivation 
maiden narwhal
so it's ok
lol i'd rather be in [great amounts of physical discomfort]
the only way i cleared hs for the prophecy is i forced athena
and took the trap thingy
it was cheap af
but the game didn't care
i don't understand why artemis attack + fast attack from hermes is not a good idea on rail
void vigil
uh
no nsfw talk please
maiden narwhal
uh
no nsfw talk please
better?
void vigil
Sure LOL
maiden narwhal
i don't understand why artemis attack + fast attack from hermes is not a good id...
@latent moon can you tell me?
is it just because there's a lot better out there?
latent moon
it's a base 10 damage bullet
you're critting for like 20 extra damage lol
assuming you crit every bullet, lightning strike already does 10 flat damage at common
common jolted does like 60 damage
which is gonna be doing more than critting every bullet without poms basically
you also get aoe out of lightning strike
% boons on rail attack just do poorly if it isn't hestia
fringe dust
got a 5:41 
maiden narwhal
this is why people who know math are better at games
maiden narwhal
% boons on rail attack just do poorly if it isn't hestia
cool
before i saw the website where it said do damage adds like zeus or dio on fast attack (and before i joined this discord, arty on rail is 100% something i would have done
fringe dust
how did you remember that message...
i just joined earlier today and was curious if anybody had talked about me
stiff obsidian
‼️
latent moon
this is why people who know math are better at games
lmao i mean i had to have someone tell me that lightning strike is the best attack on rail
everyone's been there
maiden narwhal
well now my options are explosive, seeking, or ricochet
so i guess i'm going to find out what ricochet is like
damage control takes too long
either td gets me or the badguys do
stiff obsidian
damage control should be negligible on eris
steep condor
she is talking about hades
(replying to your hours old msg because everyone else ignored you
)
lavish sorrel
so i guess i'm going to find out what ricochet is like
Ricochet 
Not amazing on eris since you already have zeus attack for crowd control, but can occasionally do things
last veldt
That's the EM4 crystal? Yeah, some mini-bosses are easier than others. Armoured archer summons can sod right off.
lavish sorrel
Doomstone and BBall summons 
last veldt
Yeah, that's a rough combo.
I had one build (don't recall exactly what but probably Zeus rail) that made the Doomstone spit out about 10 babies a second. Utter chaos.
rustic vale
lmao i mean i had to have someone tell me that lightning strike is the best atta...
Eh
“everyone”
tepid light
That's the EM4 crystal? Yeah, some mini-bosses are easier than others. Armoured ...
doomstone lets you charge up your call hella fast though
mint coral
Doomstone em4 is funny cuz of spawns limit
tepid light
my least favorite summon in em4 by far is the sneak
mint coral
My day be so fine (em4 rama) then boom
Sneak/B.ball
maiden narwhal
i killed furies in 25 seconds lol
that's insane
it takes me 5 seconds to clear the seed room
look at this build tho
now i'm shook because if i fail with a build like this it means i'm terrible
only sad part was the hammer
my options were hazard spread or ricochet
rofl i didn't realise i'd lost my defiance and stood in the lava until i killed myself
perfect end to this run 🤌
ah well. it was a nice build
mint coral
rofl i didn't realise i'd lost my defiance and stood in the lava until i killed ...
classic
stiff obsidian
‼️
stone rune
dashes
maiden narwhal
no special in ely 😭
i forced aph in asph and then the only time i got her, i pathed zeus instead
gg
loolol 5 dashes is butterfly mini over in under 10 seconds
#amigoodorisitrail
is hestia v different to play?
from zag and eris
single shot all game sounds pretty awful
rose roost
is hestia v different to play?
yea
maiden narwhal
do you keep aim at cursor off?
rose roost
you have to get used to reload->dash/special-> rinse and repeat
rose roost
do you keep aim at cursor off?
I kept it but try both
maiden narwhal
i want to clear with 2 weapons/aspects
if i can only do it with one, it's like... can i do it at all
rose roost
you have to get used to reload->dash/special-> rinse and repeat
since reload then immediately dashing/special cancels out the reload animation
maiden narwhal
at least hestia is so different from eris it'll be like two weapons?
rose roost
oh yea eris and Hestia play completely differently
maiden narwhal
since reload then immediately dashing/special cancels out the reload animation
yeah i watched haelian play it a little
he's.. very good /:
rose roost
playstyle and build wise they are very diff
rose roost
he's.. very good /:
He's been playing since early access
maiden narwhal
i highly doubt i'd be that good if i was playing that long
fervent radish
Also hestia is like 3 buttons so it’s quick to learn atleast
maiden narwhal
what will be really difficult is the staccato flow
is that how you spell that word idk
yes
rustic vale
Also hestia is like 3 buttons so it’s quick to learn atleast
I meant a lot of aspectd are 2 so it’s 50% harder
maiden narwhal
wow
rustic vale
what will be really difficult is the staccato flow
It’s a rhythm game like bow but just a different rhythm
rustic vale
Dash -> strike, done
rose roost
getting used to Hestia pattern and gaining that muscle memory makes it a really good and safe aspect
fervent radish
I meant a lot of aspectd are 2 so it’s 50% harder
Lol ig
I just found it one of the easiest to output damage when first learning
rustic vale
👍
fervent radish
Since you don’t really need much boons
Like shackle is already hitting for 300 per hit
stiff obsidian
I meant a lot of aspectd are 2 so it’s 50% harder
hestia is very memorizable aspect
stiff obsidian
once you get the muscle memory down you can play it on autopilot most of the time
i think hestia is my best aspect despite it not being my favorite
rustic vale
hestia is very memorizable aspect
Idk man as
maiden narwhal
rustic vale
Bye bye PP
maiden narwhal
maiden narwhal
aren't there boons/things that proc on crit?
stiff obsidian
only hunters mark afaik
stiff obsidian
you need hunters mark for that
maiden narwhal
just overrated?
stiff obsidian
maybe? idk
maiden narwhal
idk a second ago you wanted to fight about it
rare billowing strength or epic double strike?
the bs sounds better?
but what do i know
rose roost
what aspect is this?
maiden narwhal
eris
rose roost
what call do u have?
mint coral
I'd take double
rose roost
double strike chance is bugged and it's higher than it shows or smth
maiden narwhal
ah nice
and if it wasn't bugged?
still double, with this build?
or is that moot
since it's bugged
mint coral
At least I would still take it yeah
maiden narwhal
35% seems low when only my call is doing bolts
mint coral
Zeus call with support boons strong
mint coral
You have all the splitting bolt pre reqs lol
maiden narwhal
so if double does proc, it'll hammer the hell out of them
maiden narwhal
You have all the splitting bolt pre reqs lol
it'll be in styx
i just have to get there to it
mint coral
Double also works for jolted so that's nice
carmine beacon
Mmmh, is that the prophecy about ||secrets weapons||?
maiden narwhal
Mmmh, is that the prophecy about ||secrets weapons||?
yeah
nothing else in the game needs specific dialogue to unlock
mint coral
Hermes favor is the other specific one really
maiden narwhal
double it is then
man i've never come this far on a 40 run that wasn't em4, and therefore pointless anyway
mint coral
Tho if you play on anything that is not switch and have achievement is easier lol
Just off the fact you'll lvl up plume at some point
carmine beacon
nothing else in the game needs specific dialogue to unlock
Okay but why did he said 4 then? There is ||one for each weapon, so 6 in total right?||
mint coral
Okay but why did he said 4 then? There is ||one for each weapon, so 6 in total r...
shield and fists require you to get the right character to first mention them before the phrase
lavish sorrel
nothing else in the game needs specific dialogue to unlock
The alternate mirror upgrades from Nyx
mint coral
bow/rail also have dialogue mentioning them but afaik is not needed for the hidden aspect
I hate this game
hermes got erebus'd twice
I'm getting both hermes in styx at this point
maiden narwhal
oh god no patty and no shield to hide behind
4 minutes
how tf to paly careful when you've played reckless all game
ok 4 minutes
lavish sorrel
Most defensive fists player
maiden narwhal
stiff obsidian
ggg?
maiden narwhal
this might be my greatest videogame achievement like ever
mint coral
gg
lavish sorrel
#h1-victory-boasting that
mint coral
greatest reflex delta chamber comfy it seems
lavish sorrel
Iframes for days
maiden narwhal
everywhere was my safe space
stone rune
what do u mean by that
stiff obsidian
his safe space was everywhere
fervent radish
He safe spaced all over the place
stiff obsidian
not until after he said 'its safe spacin' time'
tulip mango
my first escaped and my highest heat-11 are both chiron aspect
bbut everyone say it was the worst aspect
stone rune
yeah its very bad
stiff obsidian
no its actually 2nd bets bow
tulip mango
gguess this aspect chhoose me
stiff obsidian
💯
stone rune
no its actually 2nd bets bow
whats the first
stiff obsidian
rmama
stone rune
ohhhh
autumn rose
bbut everyone say it was the worst aspect
Its not the worst aspect
Even tho worst can be defined in many ways I still would never put it below zag sword or spear
Just get sea storm fr 
stone rune
its the worst for speed
definitely below zag sword or zag spear generally
but gilga is the worst in an overall sense
stiff obsidian
gilga has almost nothing going for it
autumn rose
except dash only runs
stone rune
for gilga the redeeming factor is that you can get some semblance of damage by the end of the run
with a cracked ME build
because ME is ME
but with chiron it is just like fundamentally impossible to have damage at any point
stiff obsidian
wheres zag sword 60 heat
lavish sorrel
wheres zag sword 60 heat
In seeded / RC land probably
stone rune
its probably possible to do the routed run but with td2
fervent radish
Chiron was the first aspect that I actually ran out of time on
Never happened before until Chiron 32
stiff obsidian
diagnosis not enough heat
fervent radish
^
stone rune
54 good enough for me
stiff obsidian
all aspects
stone rune
i dont even have a clear on hades or gilga
nvm i have a gilga one now
but not hades
fervent radish
I loved the part where hades said “few tales are told of hades” and then hades’d all over the place
stiff obsidian
but not hades
#firstplaythrough
lavish sorrel
I loved the part where hades said “few tales are told of hades” and then hades’d...
Yeah I loved that part so much I went back multiple thousands of times 😌
stone rune
#firstplaythrough
i really want just one person to open the stream to give advice
stiff obsidian
stream more
lavish sorrel
You won't play ff and that makes me sad
stiff obsidian
i didnt know you played hades on mobile
stone rune
id probably play ff more if i didnt have to uninstall the modpack each time
fervent radish
Honestly same
stone rune
ive done a few attempts
stiff obsidian
oh
stone rune
i died to heroes at some point
lavish sorrel
One possible solution is not playing modded 
stone rune
the issue is i want to have hammer
stiff obsidian
id play ff if it wasnt so slow + if it wasnt sword + if it wasnt so reliant on getting a specific duo + is on fo0 which throws me off + have to uninstall modpack each time
lavish sorrel
id play ff if it wasnt so slow + if it wasnt sword + if it wasnt so reliant on g...
Skissue, monodash sword fun.
It's not reliant on a specific duo.
Skissue, FO0 comfy.
maiden narwhal
were my win screenshot and subsequent messages deleted?
stone rune
no
stiff obsidian
if you mean in #h1-victory-boasting , yes
fervent radish
Skissue, monodash sword fun.
It's not reliant on a specific duo.
Skissue, FO0 co...
FO0 is honestly the slow part for me
Also I did two whole honest attempts yesterday and didn’t get ME at all
The dps is just a slog for someone who doesn’t specifically like playing ff
lavish sorrel
Also I did two whole honest attempts yesterday and didn’t get ME at all
Probability 
I've spent an entire day without even seeing ares one time within the span of like 3 hours, differences between then and now are that
1: my decisionmaking has improved
2: my muscle memory to beat the enemies has gotten better, which lets me get further, which means more chances to get ME at some point during the run.
fervent radish
Probability <a:Multicolor_Cat_Shrug:936283518676373534>
I've spent an entire da...
Oh yeah lemme clarify, I didn’t see ares either
fervent radish
Probability <a:Multicolor_Cat_Shrug:936283518676373534>
I've spent an entire da...
I completely understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t have such a focus on FF right now that clearing in spite of having 100 dps is desirable or feasible
Maybe in some time
lavish sorrel
Yeah ofc I get that
stone rune
i just gave up until ares midboss in tart
fervent radish
Generally my stops are lernie without doom and heroes without ME
lavish sorrel
And I'd recommend like not resetting at all
But if that's no fun then I guess go ahead and reset for build
Just be aware there's a pipeline somewhere that encourages tartarus ME resets and that's not a fun time
fervent radish
Tart ME prereq reset seems reasonable
fervent radish
Just be aware there's a pipeline somewhere that encourages tartarus ME resets an...
Btw, was your “boonless ff” cast into BR into DP?
lavish sorrel
I took dash to start out of habit, but pretty much, yes
(Early aspho DP)
Similar to Retr0's dp only clear
maiden narwhal
my 40 was also my fastest clear lol
fervent radish
Real
maiden narwhal
this might be my greatest videogame achievement like ever
now i think about it
getting to the front page of the world leader board in snood
that was my greatest achievement
that was in 98 or 99
i peaked early
if you're playing ap2, how do you stop the seed from giving you the same thing?
play a couple of rooms before giving up?
because my different actions will lead to different seed options?
fervent radish
If you’re playing ap2, best to just use the modpack
maiden narwhal
doh
fervent radish
because my different actions will lead to different seed options?
Killing shades
Uh
Breaking pots
Those are the ones I know
latent moon
Ap2 unmodded is miserable
Also what heat are you doing lmao
I thought you were gonna do 45
maiden narwhal
will taking damage change the seed?
is that considered a different input?
latent moon
Don't think so
maiden narwhal
I thought you were gonna do 45
i am
latent moon
Casting and hitting the summon button also changes it
lavish sorrel
if you're playing ap2, how do you stop the seed from giving you the same thing?
You die to change seed 
maiden narwhal
ok maybe i don't have to be so scared of td3
latent moon
Ap1 HS js2
latent moon
ok maybe i don't have to be so scared of td3
Or that
maiden narwhal
hs lol
fervent radish
You die to change seed <:SmugBoi:730312558866858024>
He’s keeping seed
Routed ig lol
latent moon
Ngl if you're really worried about td3 I'd recommend doing a bit of speedrunning since it's lower stakes and it'll help you learn how to kill stuff faster
lavish sorrel
He’s keeping seed
Yes hence the
fervent radish
No but seriously just get the modpack and don’t worry about it
maiden narwhal
ap1 js2 cp1?
latent moon
Or "f it we ball" and do js lol
latent moon
ap1 js2 cp1?
Cp1 bad
fervent radish
AP2 js2 modpack
latent moon
CP doesn't help with time
maiden narwhal
Routed ig lol
i mean.. seed was offering epic zeus attack so why not
fervent radish
JS3 is actually pretty doable with eris
latent moon
Yeah
maiden narwhal
ok
fervent radish
Less so with zeus unfortunately
latent moon
It actually has some range so it's not so miserable running around a room
maiden narwhal
what would you play?
latent moon
like what aspect?
maiden narwhal
no if not zeus then..
latent moon
it's doable with zeus but zeus hard
maiden narwhal
tighter play then
latent moon
yeah
maiden narwhal
it's fantastic when you get them all in a corner or something
but i'm not so good at kiting them that way
fervent radish
it's doable with zeus but zeus hard
It makes hades fight so much simpler
Heroes sucks though lol
And aphro ER kinda cooks with AP2
Bc that’s all you really need
fervent radish
And aphro ER kinda cooks with AP2
On modded
formal citrus
is poison damage trap damage?
mint coral
nah
formal citrus
someone on the reddit being wrong? preposterous
oh, if you get poisoned by a trap it's trap damage? otherwise it isn't?
maiden narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1214996095835574373/image.png?ex=65fb244a&is=65e8af4a&hm=9fd2d288cde0ee120de2782169245e578f8b8d70c9c65de59e29d7dad923ac0e& and that's how i became the hulk
maiden narwhal
i forgot all about customs fodder
you wouldn't just restart the run?
i mean.. i could've pathed dio and dem
i'm an idiot
latent moon
it's unfortunate but you can work with it
it's not like tdash is the only viable dash on eris
fervent radish
Eh
gray stirrup
And aphro ER kinda cooks with AP2
ap2?
latent moon
also like it's heat you're gonna have to work with bad picks lmao
gray stirrup
ah i c i c
maiden narwhal
welp js3 armoured hydra heads solved that problem for me
maiden narwhal
an i thought he said drakens
like a dragon and a kraken?
but i thought i heard wrong
latent moon
also as a tip, you should use the purging pool before you pick your keepsakes
gray stirrup
js3?
gray stirrup
also as a tip, you should use the purging pool before you pick your keepsakes
why so?
maiden narwhal
like a dragon and a kraken?
oh lol i googled it and that's p much what a drakon is
their projectile should not be homing
maiden narwhal
why so?
so you can replace something you lsot i guess?
idk
like maybe if you lose something important
gray stirrup
so you can replace something you lsot i guess?
oh,alright
gray apex
why so?
Just jumped in so I have 0 context of this conversation, but at high heat you can easily lose something you want to keep to UC so you can force it back with a keepsake if its worth it for your build. There's also a few other scenarios where it can impact your keepsake choice when it comes to the utility ones so its better to be on the safe side atleast.
gray stirrup
Just jumped in so I have 0 context of this conversation, but at high heat you ca...
ah, alright
thank you for clarifying that 
latent moon
yeah you wanna be able to take back a good/important choice if you need to
fervent radish
Also if post tart well is goated you might want hourglass/purse over a god
maiden narwhal
ah, alright
thank you for clarifying that <:zaggrin:1012805270776316078>
that's what i said!
gray stirrup
that's what i said!
maiden narwhal
i mean why would you restart
because i deliberately avoided buffer boons to keep it tight. i completely forgot about customs
so it was like.. my fault. something in my control
i wouldn't restart for bad rng
but i would for a mistake/bad choice
if it's just tart
that has to be rerun
anyway turns out at 45 heat, you don't have to give up
there's always the next chamber to kill you
latent moon
i mean sometimes having like 3 boons leaving tart just naturally happens whether you try to or not lmao
and sometimes all 3 of those boons are actually good
maiden narwhal
i mean sometimes having like 3 boons leaving tart just naturally happens whether...
yeah truth. but that's down to rng. like i said i wouldn't restart a run for that
proper tusk
my god i hate approval process
its the worst bc its also psychological damage
i dont think it would be as bad if it didnt show you what option it deleted
maiden narwhal
5 minutes 20 seconds for elysium
how
how does targetting system work with rockets?
i have asked this before i don't think i got an answer
or maybe i forgot
eh i'll just go piercing
latent moon
how does targetting system work with rockets?
the enemies in front of the rocket will get the debuff
maiden narwhal
the enemies in front of the rocket will get the debuff
hermes makes the rockets cast faster?
it should, right?
stone rune
it lowers the cooldown
maiden narwhal
rockets is hard. they don't get autoaim
stiff obsidian
the bullets are near instant so they dont miss
stiff obsidian
i'm sure i've shot over their shoulder tho
it probably auto aimed to an enemy behind the one u triedto hit
its annoying
u cant choose which enemy to hit
maiden narwhal
ah ok that makes sense
stiff obsidian
it isnt noticable with the attack because all enemies get hit by the lightning anyway
latent moon
i thought you can aim the rocket with the mouse
maiden narwhal
it lowers the cooldown
it wasn't really noticeable at common
stiff obsidian
i thought you can aim the rocket with the mouse
have to turn on
attack at cursor for that
stone rune
yeah because its common and switch flourihs is useless
maiden narwhal
i thought you can aim the rocket with the mouse
turn off aim at cursor for attack
latent moon
yeah you can still aim the special i thought
stone rune
you can aim rocket with cursor if there are no enemies
stone rune
but when there are enemies it locks
latent moon
i haven't played rail in a while but i guess im wrong lmao
stone rune
so if u get bombers with hammer u have to turn on aim at cursor for the meg
stiff obsidian
yeah you can still aim the special i thought
yea but only if its not rocket
once its rocket it starts autoaiming
stiff obsidian
rocket bomb f tier hamme
latent moon
just get hazard
maiden narwhal
is rocket bomb doing splash damage?
maiden narwhal
poor tsiphone
that's why she die so fast
i have figured out how to do 45
ap and ri can both go to hell
i'm playing em4
carmine beacon
Is that me or only Poseidon and Dionysos cast are good on Beowulf?
Big damage, AoE, and crowd control (stun or knock away). They both lead to good duo (mirage, ice wine, and thunder wine or smthg like it).
I tried other stuff like Aphrodite and Artemis but it just felt weak in comparison, am I building them wrong?
maiden narwhal
i mean
fervent radish
That’s just 41 up until hades
upper wolf
Is that me or only Poseidon and Dionysos cast are good on Beowulf?
Big damage, ...
nah those are the best builds overall
stone rune
Is that me or only Poseidon and Dionysos cast are good on Beowulf?
Big damage, ...
yeah those are the best ones
upper wolf
ice wine sucks on beo though
stone rune
well
they aren't the only good ones
aph cast is also good
and dio cast isnt that good
upper wolf
it removes damage because it bugs a bug (yes) and you don't need the instadrop on beo
azure cobalt
Can boons that affect the god gauge appear if you don't currently have a call?
upper wolf
no
velvet ingot
Can't wait to see worlds first 64 heat clear on the iphone 
fervent radish
it removes damage because it bugs a bug (yes) and you don't need the instadrop o...
Oh does it screw with mirage?
upper wolf
oh, maybe that too
but iirc it's mostly about the pom bug
it might also screws with mirage too, I'm not sure
long story short is that Ice Wine on beowulf is a no-no
fervent radish
Oh got it
dire elk
Y'all have a favorite boon-giver?
Not specifically for the boons or anything
Just which one do you like the most
mint coral
it might also screws with mirage too, I'm not sure
Ik it fixes one of the 2 bugs but I don't remember which one lmao
mint coral
Zeus is good tho
fervent radish
What’s wrong with zeus
fervent radish
Do you mean like the quality of their character?
So you do mean this
dire elk
So you do mean this
Like when he talk to you
fervent radish
Real
dire elk
Well he gives good boons so what do I care
Wut
fervent radish
Yeah so like zeus judged as a person
dire elk
Since when is 12 damage good
fervent radish
💀
fervent radish
When jolted
dire elk
Ooooor
mint coral
Zeus call
mint coral
Smoldering air 
dire elk
Dionysus
dire elk
Or Aphrodite
stiff obsidian
Y'all have a favorite boon-giver?
zueus
upper wolf
why would you take aphro
dire elk
Or
fervent radish
Aphro is budget Zeus for shield
upper wolf
instead of zeus
dire elk
why would you take aphro
Attack damage mostly
mint coral
Hangover dmg is safer as you only need poms for it
mint coral
But zeus is always scaling better
fervent radish
Generally
upper wolf
mfw my 10 damage rail is buffed to 15 instead of having zeus buffing it to 20
fervent radish
Arthur or hestia like aphro
mint coral
Epic is like 89%
If you are using zeus is bc you don't have the base dmg for it
mint coral
mfw my 10 damage rail is buffed to 15 instead of having zeus buffing it to 20 <:...
See this
fervent radish
???
stiff obsidian
mfw my 10 damage rail is buffed to 15 instead of having zeus buffing it to 20 <:...
and this is worst case zeus too
fervent radish
One of the best weapons
upper wolf
yeah
stiff obsidian
best case would go in thousands
stiff obsidian
or hundreds atleast
upper wolf
thousands seem a bit unreasonable
upper wolf
I think you can expect a hundred
dire elk
Personally I like chaos
stiff obsidian
i had a run where my jolt was proccing for 800 per proc 💀
dire elk
🐙
fervent radish
Avg eris run
upper wolf
chaos is great except when they refuse to give me the boons I want u_u
mint coral
Also zeus call can be on any build
dire elk
chaos is great except when they refuse to give me the boons I want u_u
I like chaos c h a r a c t e r plus some boons too
upper wolf
chaos is awesome
mint coral
Chaos is great
dire elk
Cuz if you can't charge fast you are getting aphro anyways <:bouldy:523329116934...
I didn't say always
fervent radish
Hermes best because he recognizes speed and streaks
dire elk
Exept that one time
upper wolf
the real upside of chaos aspect of shield is not the unplayable special, it's having chaos in your backseat
fervent radish
Just do Hera
dire elk
Whar
mint coral
I didn't say always
The thing is, meta speaking you do use aphro almost always lol
Or Artemis
dire elk
Ok.
dire elk
Ares?
fervent radish
Artemis
dire elk
Ik
fervent radish
Ares situationally good
dire elk
Hm
fervent radish
Battle rage, hunting blades, and ME are the useful ones
dire elk
Bouncy shield and spear are funny with doom plus other doom combos though
dire elk
Battle rage, hunting blades, and ME are the useful ones
Me?
mint coral
Blade dash kinda ok too
fervent radish
Merciful end
dire elk
Speaking of which
People talk about Twin fists o malphon being beat for that
Right?
*best
But
fervent radish
Yeah
dire elk
Wouldnt Lucifer be better?
mint coral
No?
fervent radish
Lucifer wants flat damage soup
dire elk
Way more dps
mint coral
You only want special to unlock the duo
dire elk
Dawg
mint coral
With ares attack + dash you get to spam dash strikes
fervent radish
The special doesn’t pulse faster than dash
dire elk
Hellfire does continuous damage
rustic vale
Faster isn't it
Dash is faster
mint coral
Luci would need you to set up bombs each time you blow them up
dire elk
And have multiple
mint coral
Also reloading
rustic vale
dash is actually immediate
stiff obsidian
Wouldnt Lucifer be better?
theyd do the same but fists are easier + build into it better
mint coral
Also frankly speaking
mint coral
The more you get away from ME the better
rustic vale
plus the hellfire bombs do better dps exploded as soon as they hit the ground
mint coral
You already play it in so many aspects
dire elk
Waaah
fervent radish
Lucifer there’s just better options
And generally the goal isn’t to do a build with the best aspect for it, but to do an aspect with the fastest/strongest build
And ZAP is faster on luci than ME and you don’t have to worry about the duo+you actually have early game damage
So even if ME was better on Lucifer than Demeter, ZAP is better on Lucifer than ME is, so we play ZAP
fervent radish
Infinity chamber
You’d realistically also need the one that makes your hell fire not explode
dire elk
Get the behind the target
fervent radish
So not great odds of it working tbh
dire elk
Just don't get piercing shot
fervent radish
I don’t think you can get piercing with luci
dire elk
So not great odds of it working tbh
No not really but better damage I would think
fervent radish
And I wouldn’t trust my ability to not detonate it lol
dire elk
Under extreme circumstances
rustic vale
Hellfire will explode from any damage, you or them
stone rune
you can definitely get piercing fire on luci
fervent radish
No not really but better damage I would think
Better damage than what
stone rune
everything woul dhave better damage than fists
fervent radish
Yeah but if you’re on Lucifer you don’t really want to be playing ME
rustic vale
Fists is not hard to outdps
dire elk
I know
But I can up with the idea mainly bc it's faster
Not to actually use
Bc it's way too conditional
Just would be funny to deal 5000 damage in three seconds
fervent radish
I’ve thought about something like that before but ME just sucks to get going
dire elk
Yea
fervent radish
Just would be funny to deal 5000 damage in three seconds
Yeah you can do that with ZAP
Not terribly hard
dire elk
Zap?
fervent radish
Zeus, arty, Poseidon
dire elk
Wut
fervent radish
Zeus attack, arty special, tidal dash
dire elk
With what
fervent radish
The rail
dire elk
Anything?
stone rune
luci has a 27 second dad
dire elk
????
rustic vale
?
dire elk
Screwed over my damage
rustic vale
What
fervent radish
Infinity is ok if you’re on Zeus
rustic vale
Infinite chamber is just fine on luci unless you’re trying to focus on +% struke
dire elk
That's what it was
rustic vale
Which is the worst way to buil-
fervent radish
And triple bomb is just better
mint coral
You’d realistically also need the one that makes your hell fire not explode
new luci hammer
mint coral
there's no hammer to stop the explosion from the special
dire elk
Oh
It would be funny if there was a no limit to the number of hellfire orbs that there could be
Speaking of which
That one update for regular exagryph
stone rune
dire elk
The hammer that shoots a bunch in front of you for less damage
stone rune
infinity chamber does not affect your damage
dire elk
Can that be comboed with triple shot?
mint coral
nope
fervent radish
Once again i have like 3 runs on luci ever
dire elk
Really?
mint coral
cluster blocks triple
dire elk
How about the big shot
fervent radish
No hazard
mint coral
hazard bomb also blocked
dire elk
A
mint coral
if you get cluster you want rocket bomb
dire elk
Ok then
mint coral
rocket deletes the dmg nerf from cluster
dire elk
Can hazard and triple combo?
mint coral
no
dire elk
Dang it
mint coral
hazard only gets targeting system
dire elk
Dang it
People have told me that spear throw is the best way to play varatha
Is this true
mint coral
depends on the spear
rustic vale
People have told me that spear throw is the best way to play varatha
Depends
dire elk
I usually use Hades or guna yu
rustic vale
Then yes
dire elk
Seriously
rustic vale
Unless you’re at insane high heat with guan-yu
dire elk
Spinning is all Hades does
mint coral
the spin doesn't buff the spin dmg actually
dire elk
Yea
rustic vale
you spin for the dmg boost but your damage comes from the special
dire elk
But spin is all you get out of aspect of hades
rustic vale
Explodive laun her + charged skewrr = 150 base damage explosive
mint coral
the spin inflicits a debuff
rustic vale
to get multiplied by the additive
mint coral
you do +150% more attack/special dmg
rustic vale
so you still spin against tanky enemies to get the buff
but your damage comes from the special
mint coral
you need exploding skewer for hades spear
dire elk
On like the Hydra fight
rustic vale
you need explosive launcher to make it good
rustic vale
And guan-yu practically has explosive skewer built in
mint coral
guan yu only needs charged skewer
dire elk
Two shot Hydra heads and such
rustic vale
With Achilles you focus on striking /casting
mint coral
but also we are in a world where spin builds are good
dire elk
Wish it could be faster though
dire elk
but also we are in a world where spin builds are good <:bouldy:52332911693463553...
Hades massive spin is funny
🥶
mint coral
guan yu spin to be specifc
fervent radish
Imagine a world where cluster hazard rockets
rustic vale
and zagreus can go either special or strike, it’s just ok at either
dire elk
Imagine a world where cluster hazard rockets
Cluster hazard triple rockets
rustic vale
where achilles excels at striking & hades excels with spin
mint coral
Imagine a world where cluster hazard rockets
zag just dies
dire elk
Bwahaha
mint coral
Cluster hazard _triple_ rockets
can only get 3 hammers so we need to go a world beyond for this
dire elk
zag just dies
Dash like crazy?
dire elk
can only get 3 hammers so we need to go a world beyond for this
Welcome to the wonderful world of mods
dire elk
can only get 3 hammers so we need to go a world beyond for this
Also that is three hammers
🐙
dire elk
Anvil exists and forcing what you get from it is possible in vanilla
Put exagryph against it and say, "we both know what I want and we both know that I'm going to get it. Right?"
Foolproof
✨
rustic vale
Yeah only issue is that forcing it takes anywhere from
5 seconds to
Infinity
You’re just brute forcing rng by repeatedly shoving it over the same value
dire elk
There should be infernal chickens
Like vermin,
But MORE
More chickens
All the chilckens
And if you kill them with Lucifer attack when un-booned you can get healing items
mint coral
feather duster but weird
hardy crown
I’m just playing for the 102nd time and I look at the dialogue for a boon. Gain wealth every time you enter a chamber
As opposed to the other one that does something every encounter. I suppose a chamber is better, because it applies to violent and non violent rooms.
As for the other it’s strictly fights. I had a question for the distinction but I kinda sorted it out as I wrote. Thanks anyway.
I got the fists for my bonus points and it’s set for a wide slash in the main attack. Very good, but I need some reflection asap. That’s Athena’s whole gig right? Where is she when I need her?
fervent radish
You generally want merciful end on the fists
hardy crown
Who grants that?
mint coral
I got the fists for my bonus points and it’s set for a wide slash in the main at...
is this heavy knuckle
or the one that adds your dash strike to the combo
fervent radish
Who grants that?
It’s a duo between Athena and ares
hardy crown
Oh good. I’ll keep hoping to see it then.
fervent radish
You would ideally get ares on attack and Athena on special for the prereqs
But it works best with adding Athena on dash
Which is not a prerequisite
hardy crown
Artemis just offered me hunter dash. (Dash strike deals more damage)
I’ll take it.
I can replace later
hardy crown
Probably not. The fists started looking like animal paws before this run.
mint coral
that would be gilga
fervent radish
Yeah that’s it
hardy crown
Oh okay
fervent radish
You probably want to start ares and work towards merciful end then
mint coral
If you are gonna use this aspect in the future you should change your dash skill in the mirror
hardy crown
I’ll keep that in mind. I’m just shy of buying out the final thing.
Ah heck. I’ve been offered a chance to “borrow” some money from Charon. 😁
Normally I usually take caution.
Maybe I got this one🤞
Wait nevermind.
A pair of boons from Artemis and Ares are in the chamber preview.
I just can’t turn that down. 465 gold isn’t worth losing that.
brisk trail
............
tepid plover
Hey folks, decided to finally mod the game and try the new gods, anyone have any other nice mod recommendations?
mint coral
Fusion aspects mod is funny but you may want to also add the more heat mod
Cuz they kinda broken
tepid plover
Fusion aspects mod is funny but you may want to also add the more heat mod
Whats this about?
mint coral
Fuses all aspects of the corresponding weapon
tepid plover
Bruh lmao
mint coral
With some extra changes to make them feel better
tepid plover
Nah, was looking for more but balanced, or qol stuff
mint coral
You'd need to browse then
From what I remember most is just weird op things or "max resources"
mint coral
No much content outside of olympus extra
There's the speedrun modpack if you are interested in that
tepid plover
Oh well, guess that one is big enough anyway
mint coral
Also works for heat
latent moon
there's pony's balance mods
tepid plover
Nah, not a speedrunner
mint coral
Oh yeah pony has quite a different ideas from what I've seen
(they are the fusion aspects author lol)
hardy crown
Zagreus is finally starting to slay on the Lyre. It sounds good.
Felt like the day would never come.
tepid light
Hey folks, decided to finally mod the game and try the new gods, anyone have any...
yeah olympusextra is really the mod if you're looking for additional content
otherwise it's just qol/speedrun stuff
fervent radish
If you guys had to distribute the heat from approval process elsewhere, what current or new heat options would you choose
I think id add FO3 for 3 heat and another HL
tepid light
I think id add FO3 for 3 heat and another HL
me already having maxed out hard labor
latent moon
hl10 and make each rank 10% instead of 20% lmao
tepid light
hl10 and make each rank 10% instead of 20% lmao
That would be nice tbh
hardy crown
The very exact moment Zagreus steps out of the room after selecting pact choices there’s a six armed statue. Is there anyone around who knows who that is?
latent moon
i remember seeing some reddit post about that
i dont remember who it was tho
name might've started with an A but it's somewhere on reddit
latent moon
i guess idk lmao
hardy crown
I don’t wanna call it unlikely but it’s pretty unlikely. Yet it would be cool. I kinda thought he was a Hindu god but I’m not even gonna bet on it.
I should play it sometime
fervent radish
Bp3 :croven:
BP3 would be wild
latent moon
cloner speeder homing witches
fervent radish
Oh I'm talking about like
mint coral
Drakons with bp3
fervent radish
delete approval process from the game and find other ways to make max heat still 64
tepid plover
If you guys had to distribute the heat from approval process elsewhere, what cur...
If this game didn't have approval process I would've put it down after the credits
Thanks to approval process I now have over 600 hrs and play it daily still
stone rune
if this game didnt have approval process i would be willing to play 40
tepid light
if this game didn't have approval process or underworld customs or routine inspection or tight deadline i would be the best gamer in the world
tepid plover
Lol
Yeah I refuse to use tight deadline, I like walking around enjoy the scenary
Go grab that fish
tepid light
i have had tight deadline 1 for like 20 heat levels now and i refuse to go higher
mostly due to my habit of farming all the chambers in styx to improve my chances against dad
latent moon
if this game didnt have approval process i would be willing to play 40
Hl10 would go so hard for 40 speed
No ap1 and no bp2
fervent radish
Maybe make CP2 2 heat
hardy crown
Ah dang. I thought I had almost gotten all the mirrors blessings but I’m still at very least 4250 darkness from finished.
latent moon
it do be like that
fringe dust
for gilga the redeeming factor is that you can get some semblance of damage by t...
yeah gilga has good damage
its just uhhhhhhhhh
the animations are hard to wrangle
easy to lose time with a wrong button press
and the dash cooldowns............
but the damage goes brrrrrrrr
at least compared to zag and talos 🤢
stone rune
i mean its still just ME
stiff obsidian
but what about all the rooms until ME
hardy crown
So there’s an option to reroll the room rewards and the option to reroll boons via the mirror blessings. I’ve had it set to rerolling rooms for quite a long time. I think maybe it’s better to reroll boons when you want.
So I’ll be changing the option next run.
maiden narwhal
can you remind me why chaos shield is bad?
rose roost
yea persuasion is way better
rose roost
can you remind me why chaos shield is bad?
it's gimmick sucks
maiden narwhal
the multiple shields?
stone rune
chaos special useless
maiden narwhal
i know someone who insists it's excellent with dio and ares and he can run "high heat" on it
but i think he's like me before he joined the discord
clueless
and idk what to tell him
maiden narwhal
i know someone who insists it's excellent with dio and ares and he can run "high...
also he's not managed 40 so
but i can't just say that
that's not an argument