h1-discussion

[maiden narwhal]

either you're being deliberately obtuse or you're too young to have this conversation

[rustic vale]

Yeah but it was written from a place of knowledge for those struggling

[maiden narwhal]

in both cases, please refer to the i'm out bit

[maiden narwhal]

ok you don't seem to be getting this either, so i'm out again

[rustic vale]

deliberately obtuse is somewhere I like to reside

At times

[lavish sorrel]

hey could we get a mod in here to make everyone chill plsthx

[latent moon]

i mean yeah that's why i wrote a guide on it, bc other people need it more than me and i want to give advice on how to do it
that's like every educational resource out there

[rustic vale]

The dude who wrote my math textbook thought it was easy so he wrote the textbook to let ppl know that he thought it was ez

🧠

[stiff obsidian]

hades

[rustic vale]

same idea no?

[stone rune]

fermats last theorem is easy

[rustic vale]

It may or may not be 3am and I may or may not be missing things but

[stone rune]

which is why andrew wiles wrote his proof

[tepid light]

jazz dropping in now of all times lmao

after that whole conversation earlier

[rustic vale]

[stone rune]

not bringing me up every time anything happens challenge

[rustic vale]

New Hades monthly challenge just dropped

[stiff obsidian]

wyou are a bit too obsessed

[tepid light]

because it proves my earlier point

[lavish sorrel]

thanks AD

[stone rune]

most of the time when i see u in here it’s to say i’m annoying so idrc about the conversation

[rustic vale]

Do the mods mainly stick to individual games or am I only ever on when AD is modding

[void vigil]

well i asked you multiple times to not use "being young" as an excuse to look down on people - even if you dont see it as such, it probably feels bad for someone to be dismissed due to their perceived age. it's a bit baffling to me how soon this happened after your apology

im just terminally online

[stone rune]

there’s that other mod who’s on sometimes

and then the one whose name starts with t who comes in very occasionally

i’m on mobile so i can’t see the list of people for the names because they removed it

thanks discord

[stiff obsidian]

🤝

[tepid light]

come to think of it yeah, tatz and AD are the only mods i actually see around

[rustic vale]

Serendusa I think J’ve seen

[latent moon]

hit the channel name you'll see it, it's clearly the most convenient spot for it

[rustic vale]

Maybe that’s just looking through old messages though

Cuz I do that way too often

[void vigil]

mobile discord is really messed up rn. i hope they revert it or "fix it" again so it becomes usable

[stone rune]

aggy i was referring to

on occasionally

[lavish sorrel]

we all know the company, that's not happening

[stiff obsidian]

supercelll

[rustic vale]

Supercell? Cell? Cells? Like that thing from deadcells? Deadcells

[lavish sorrel]

Hades

[void vigil]

[rustic vale]

Like that thing from Asterius?

The hit videogame

[lavish sorrel]

so true

[rustic vale]

By giantsuper games

[void vigil]

the hit videogame minos

[rustic vale]

The hit videogame labrynth

[lavish sorrel]

aka desha

[stone rune]

sup erc ell referenced

[tepid light]

supercell

super

superhot

[rustic vale]

when is Zag in Clash of Clans?

Or fortnite

[stiff obsidian]

deadcells? dead cells? dead cells in daylight? dead by daylight

[tepid light]

add Zag to Smite

[rustic vale]

add zag to yugioh

Or btd6

[lavish sorrel]

SO TRUE

[tepid light]

MY CHILDHOOD

[stone rune]

when will zag in gd

[tepid light]

THE MEMORIES

[stiff obsidian]

just uninstalled btd6 an hour ago

[lavish sorrel]

surely someone's made a level like that

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1214120670703915079/IMG_2454.png?ex=65f7f4fd&is=65e57ffd&hm=2a61531bbacb6b3aecf0fe22149df2d2b551e378acb84017371a5cf6e6227f8f&

[stiff obsidian]

bro is 10 years old 🗣️

[rustic vale]

he had a time machine

[maiden narwhal]

i mean..
i wasn't apologising for that in particular
i was apologising for thinking you were wrong, when you were right

it doesn't matter how condescending it comes across as, there are some (lots) of things i cant or won't talk about with people below a certain age?

i got drawn into that conversation, and then they started saying things that lead me to only two conclusions; they're trolling me, or they're too young to be talking about it

so moving forward, i'll just try to not get drawn into conversations that aren't game related

which is difficult, obviously, given the nature of the chat

but whatever

we'll see how that goes

[lavish sorrel]

welcome to the "uninstalled bloons" gang

[stone rune]

bro it’s the hades discussion channel

be serious

[tepid light]

smh i meant the bloons tower defense series in general

back when it was just a flash game series

[stiff obsidian]

i do this every few months lmao for the past few years

[rustic vale]

So like

[maiden narwhal]

and to the other thing, shackle..

maybe you guys aren't as good as i think you are

or maybe i'm not as bad as i think i am

it's not important enough to argue about

[rustic vale]

Boons in Terraria when

[upper wolf]

We need to add zag in happy meals menus

[rustic vale]

Maybe I just don’t want to accept that I’m good idk

[stiff obsidian]

boons

[upper wolf]

Boons tower defence

[maiden narwhal]

now can someone please tell me..

do i roll this, looking for battle rage

or should i get rid of greater reflex?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1214120055562833930/IMG20240304132911.jpg?ex=65f7f46a&is=65e57f6a&hm=c5f94b52e106f40e640e24762f4404ad60ec2083faa399d32afaca1d4d8e9e0c&

[stone rune]

yeah i suck actually

[tepid light]

shoot down the bad boons before they make it to zagreus

[latent moon]

i'd sell phalanx shot tbh lmao

[maiden narwhal]

do you know what the dunning kruger effect is?

[upper wolf]

Reverse Hades : you have zag coming through and need to stop him by designing the rooms and all

[stiff obsidian]

you mean purge

[maiden narwhal]

but i have the duo 😭

[rustic vale]

Sell Phalanx Shot

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[tepid light]

I would play that game so much

sounds fun af

[maiden narwhal]

then.. that

[latent moon]

the cast/duo isn't where the majority of your damage is coming from

[rustic vale]

The more I know about a topic the more I understand my position

And

[maiden narwhal]

but it's shiny

[rustic vale]

I know that each level of heat added past 32 is harder & harder

[latent moon]

doesnt mean it's good/useful lol

parting shot is shiny

it's useless tho

[rustic vale]

So that fact that I’m only at 40 is like

cuz other people can regularly clear higher

and thats my same issue with speed

I’m just sub10 right but other ppl regularly sub6-7 and I think they’re good

[maiden narwhal]

ik ik i'm just fkng around

i have a v dry+dark sense of humour and i have a very deadpan delivery and i don't use tone indicators or emoticons

it's usually why people think i'm being rude, when i'm just joking

[tepid light]

after thousands of hours of research into hades, i too can confirm that adding heat makes the game harder

[rustic vale]

So how do I wrestle me thinking they’re good with someone else asking if I’m good? Becuase sub10 is definitely better than your average player

But at the same time

[maiden narwhal]

hermes took two rolls and the best he had to offer was common reflex

[rustic vale]

My eyes have seen the greater peaks

[lavish sorrel]

average player barely even wins a run

[maiden narwhal]

if i say 20 heat is free does that make me sound arrogant or

[latent moon]

+1 still solid tho

[rustic vale]

Depends who you’re talking too

[lavish sorrel]

it is when compared to other stuff, be very careful of context

[latent moon]

i mean like it's a single player game with a bunch of players with different skill levels lmao yeah like alexca said, it's just context

[rustic vale]

It’s very free if you contrast it with higher heat

But if you go say that to someone who just died in their first run

[tepid light]

honestly i feel like the general act of calling heat climbing 'free' at any stage is a rather unwise practice that can lead to some sourness

[rustic vale]

They’ll look at you wondering what heat even means

[maiden narwhal]

they're only making it worse

it takes two taps for attachments now

[rustic vale]

Heat climbing isn’t free because it only gets free once you’re past it

[tepid light]

^

[rustic vale]

Same with speed

[maiden narwhal]

yes but the game itself gives you those benchmarks right?

skelly statues

[latent moon]

stuff becomes "free" with enough practice and practice is individual based

[latent moon]

i mean just bc you beat 32 heat doesnt mean it was easy for you lol
a large chunk of players just hit 32 and never go near it again

[tepid light]

like sure i would personally consider low/no heat stuff very easy at my current level

but i know that when i was first learning the game it took me an ungodly amount of tries just to beat regular dad for the first time

so calling anything 'free' feels hypocritical imo

[maiden narwhal]

so people who've cleared 32 will say 20 is free because it really feels that way

and people who clear 8 will feel like no heat is a joke

so on that note.. are people who clear 40+ wrong to say 32 feels free?

[latent moon]

like i've cleared 51 heat before but that doesn't necessarily make me a 51 heat player, im probably around like 45ish or so bc i've only beaten 50/51 like 5 times

[lavish sorrel]

exactly! I could say "I beat 50 heat once so 32 must be free!", but that would be untrue. I still remember how much I struggled to even just get one win without heat. now I can go back and beat 32 with almost any aspect first try, but that hasn't always been the case

[maiden narwhal]

do you feel like you still get better every run?

[rustic vale]

Having cleared 40 heat

[tepid light]

you should be delicate with your phrasing

"32 heat is way too easy for me" is one thing

but "32 heat is free" is something else entirely

[rustic vale]

32 isn’t free still

And that’s the same way with 20 heat when I first beat 32

I would call 20 heat free now but I’m not ready to call 32 heat free

[latent moon]

depends on if they're consistent at 40+, but if they were consistent then 32 would be pretty easy for them specifically

[latent moon]

i dont really play much but when i do for long stretches yeah

learning zeus shield better is on my bucket list atm

[maiden narwhal]

when i joined this discord, it felt like the majority of the regulars in the chat have cleared 40+

[rustic vale]

Tbf “feels free” instead of “is free” is also something different entirely

[tepid light]

sure

my point still stands

[tepid light]

very true

[latent moon]

yeah we're regulars bc we're addicted to the game and happened to clear higher heats lmao

[stiff obsidian]

😩

[rustic vale]

addicted to the game so put lots of time in so got good like whatttt that happens when yoh put lots of time into a video game

[stiff obsidian]

and everyone who is a regular and still havent cleared , do so eventually

[rustic vale]

[tepid light]

i'm at 40+ heat myself but i'm never gonna act like it wasn't a struggle at times to get where i am

this game is not easy

calling it 'free' is rather arrogant

[maiden narwhal]

maybe a caveat i should have mentioned was "consistently", vs once

but now i think about it...

i only cleared 32 once

but i tried a bunch of times

don't those count?

because when i went back to 20, it felt ridiculously easy

[rustic vale]

But to say that at my current state of play

[maiden narwhal]

i guess it does come down to whether you improve or not

[rustic vale]

a certain difficulty

Comes to me without trying

is not wrong

ie

x heat is free

I’m not saying it was free to get there

But where I am right now

[latent moon]

yeah even when you died on 32 heat tries, you still got better at the game
evidentally since you eventually did clear 32 lol

[tepid light]

well yeah but this goes back to what both of us were saying earlier

"this is free for me" vs "this is free"

[rustic vale]

You’re the judge of whether or not you’ll never need to try while playing on 20 heat

ie it being free

[maiden narwhal]

if you clear 45-50+(whatever your benchmark is [consistently] 32 is free to you, no?

[latent moon]

unironically speaking, if i bashed my head on the wall for like idk 60 heat zeus for a week or so, i'd probably get better at the game in some sense lmfao

[maiden narwhal]

and other people who can do that will see it that way too

[latent moon]

failed attempts are still learning experiences

[latent moon]

"free" is a pretty subjective term so yeah

[tepid light]

to you are the important words there

yes, 32 would be much easier for a person used to 50+

but obviously not for people with less experience

[stone rune]

i mean like if ur setup is decent i think most people could do 32 first try or at least within like 5

[maiden narwhal]

not really tho
there's so many sports/games where you can play for 30 years and never improve because of your mindset

[rustic vale]

Wdym by “set-up”

[tepid light]

^

[maiden narwhal]

it's v rarely because of your lack of ability

[stone rune]

pact and aspect and build

[latent moon]

hades isn't one of those games

[maiden narwhal]

asian is too hung up on it
consider it jargon, if that helps

[tepid light]

and what do you mean by "first try," i would hardly encourage a person who literally just cleared no-heat for the first time to jump right to 32

[rustic vale]

Hades I’m not limited by the fact that my body can’t jump 7 feet

[latent moon]

60 heat for like the first half of the game would teach me cleaner play and how to use monodash

[rustic vale]

And won’t be able to

[tepid light]

i'm 'hung up' on it because it's an important point that needs to be made

[stone rune]

for me i did 32 after like 50 clears

[maiden narwhal]

i feel like it is
you can't improve without reaching a certain level of proficiency

you can't do that without accepting you suck

it's like the difference between newb and noob

all games are like that

[stiff obsidian]

8th clear or bad

[rustic vale]

& for me 32 took more than 100 I think

So

[stone rune]

i threw myself at the wall for a year and i improved

[rustic vale]

same but it happened ar different rates

and that’s how humans work

[tepid light]

also, obligatory point that one person's 32 may be very different from another's

[rustic vale]

it’s not all at the same rate

[latent moon]

ngl i dont understand the first point lmao

[stiff obsidian]

my first 32 was my 84s clear but thats because i did most bounties first

[maiden narwhal]

um it was the same point lol

[latent moon]

i dont really understand any of it then lmao

[rustic vale]

You can’t improve without reaching a certain level of improvement?

[maiden narwhal]

hang on

[latent moon]

like you have to be at a certain skill level to improve?

[stiff obsidian]

jazz bananas and mike made me who i am today 🫡

[maiden narwhal]

if you never get a feel for basic dodge mechanics and telegraphs and rhythm/timing then yeah

[rustic vale]

& yet if any other human threw themself at a wall for the same amount of time, would they improve the same way? at the same rate? faster? slower?

It’s not just a matter of spending z time doing x

[tepid light]

"yes"

[maiden narwhal]

why you gotta bring z into it when x and y would do

[latent moon]

well you kinda just learn that along the way dont you

[rustic vale]

If that’s how life worked we’d have a lot more good professional hockey players

[stone rune]

i’m saying u can get better by playing a lot

[latent moon]

given a week, you can probably get a better grasp at that stuff

[stone rune]

without mindset whatever

[latent moon]

so that's improvement right there

[maiden narwhal]

not if you don't have gamesense, or a mindset that's open to learning

newb vs noob

[rustic vale]

Unlike all these children who are “I’m gonna be in the nhl” and then never make it because despite the heavy time commitment they made to ey didn’t improve as much as others

[latent moon]

if you dont have a mindset open to learning then what's the point of challenging yourself to begin with lmao

and gamesense you also learn along the way

[maiden narwhal]

are you serious

or

[rustic vale]

Canadian reference frame but I’m sure it’s the same for other sports in other countries

[maiden narwhal]

ok see we're drifting into ad territory

[latent moon]

i mean you challenge yourself bc you want to do something new/different right

or something hard

[rustic vale]

You learn gamesense by… playing the game

[maiden narwhal]

you're not clearing 32 heat to challenge yourself tho

or doing most things to challenge yourself

[upper wolf]

I feel like plenty of people use challenges only as a way to prove their worth, be it to themselves or others

[maiden narwhal]

you're doing it to achieve

wholly different

[upper wolf]

what's the difference

[maiden narwhal]

you could enter hades tournaments

[upper wolf]

what is "achieving"

[stone rune]

man wtf is this

[maiden narwhal]

whatever those look like

and win

[rustic vale]

Hades tournaments

[maiden narwhal]

and still be bad

[latent moon]

well that's a whole different ball park lmao

[maiden narwhal]

because the field sucked

[latent moon]

well same difference actually no?

[upper wolf]

wait what are we talking about now

[stiff obsidian]

why em4 sucks

[rustic vale]

They look like the void

[stone rune]

we’re talking about my cat

[rustic vale]

Because they don’t exist

[stiff obsidian]

same thing

[rustic vale]

[upper wolf]

easy : it doesn't.
The Unseen Ones blaring at 120dB

[tepid light]

speak for yourself, the very reason i do em4 and other such heat modifiers is to challenge myself, because base dad was too easy for me

[maiden narwhal]

i wasn't speaking for you or me

[upper wolf]

YOU HAVE A CAT ????

show pictures

[maiden narwhal]

you know what a scattergraph is, right?

[upper wolf]

I like cats

[tepid light]

what even is going on now

[upper wolf]

is there a pet channel on that server

[latent moon]

if you want to win a hypothetical tournament or whatever for hades whatever that looks like and you gotta beat 32 heat, dont you have to like be open to learning strats and whatever

[maiden narwhal]

picture one anyway

[upper wolf]

I'm picturing a cat

[rustic vale]

I do heat so I can say I did v heat 💪🗿

[maiden narwhal]

a tournament for speedrunners couldn't exist?

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1214127190162018364/IMG_2455.jpg?ex=65f7fb0f&is=65e5860f&hm=aafe9a9590b74edb4443e293d054b2e95f5be6f469665b909046e44ca64e5463&

[stiff obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1105896367798370327/1112717094203695246/RDT_20230529_044114.gif

[lavish sorrel]

if base dad is too easy go beat FF immediately

[stone rune]

here he is rn

[rustic vale]

Well… it’s more like we just have speedrun.com and let them all do as many attempts as they want

[upper wolf]

beautiful void

[latent moon]

we're discussing heat, which is a different progression/skill system

[tepid light]

FF?

[rustic vale]

Fresh file

[lavish sorrel]

ykwim

[tepid light]

ah

[rustic vale]

not forfeit

[tepid light]

i actually didn't realize what ff meant for a sec

[latent moon]

also in a speedrunning tourney race, you'd still have to be open to learning lmao

if you wanted to win one, you'd have to be open to learning to actually achieve anything

[upper wolf]

isn't there something like "hermes cup" or whatever ? Or races ?

[latent moon]

if you weren't you wouldnt place well

[maiden narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1214127403312349265/IMG20240304135827.jpg?ex=65f7fb42&is=65e58642&hm=653d3e8f1ea07270088ff444f4d46a4278f795418ab7060b93834cc1d8915fcc& this clown showed up like you summoned him lol

there was no cat on my sill a second ago

poor purrs wants food

[rustic vale]

Dang

Blame schrodinger

[maiden narwhal]

i feed a bunch of strays

want to see the kittens?

[upper wolf]

I lead others to a treasure I can no possess myself

[maiden narwhal]

someone dumped two tiny beans on my doorstep a couple of months ago

they all big now but still smols

[rustic vale]

Same thing with beating subC time

[maiden narwhal]

when he found me he was disgusting

three kinds of skin issue, dandruff, mange, bald patches and scabs

he's so pretty now

[upper wolf]

animals clean up so well

[rustic vale]

Like what’s even the point of clearing 40 heat if I don’t @latent moon

[latent moon]

for funsies

[rustic vale]

What

Playing Hades

For

Funsies?

?!?!??

[maiden narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1214128309043208212/IMG20240303154801.jpg?ex=65f7fc1a&is=65e5871a&hm=78c2b4445443a83157173c3b71458a30e1f47169eb1201e36cbd24cb4d64d700&

this is runt and poubelle

[rustic vale]

That was a possibility this whole tiem

whattt

[maiden narwhal]

and it's so gratifying

[stiff obsidian]

underappreciated reference

[maiden narwhal]

what's it from?

[rustic vale]

I lead others to a bouldy I can

Bouldy

[maiden narwhal]

lol

i skipped all dialogue this replay

and this replay is after a few years so

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-so-gif-18681605

[rustic vale]

It’s from Christopher Columbus when he crossed a witch and got turned into a treasure map

[tepid light]

me loving cats but also being allergic to them

pain

[lavish sorrel]

same

[tepid light]

i adore them so much

[rustic vale]

double not same

[tepid light]

true pain

[rustic vale]

cats are like

ok

and I’m not allergic

[tepid light]

banned

[rustic vale]

Idk I’m more of a penguin or turtle kinda guy

[maiden narwhal]

aah

yeah those movies were all terrible

i forgot they existed thanks for the ptsd

[stiff obsidian]

blocked

and reoprted

[maiden narwhal]

i used to love marvel until mcu

[stiff obsidian]

wtf

[maiden narwhal]

comics are a++

[rustic vale]

Falsesides dad actually owns discord ur going down

[maiden narwhal]

you should read civil war

and planet hulk

and house of m

like.. the entire arcs

[tepid light]

discord hit squad about to break down your door

[maiden narwhal]

weeooo

[latent moon]

i heard civil war in the comics was really bad

[tepid light]

anyway as nice as cats and comics are we should probably bring this back to hades

[maiden narwhal]

false i read em all in proper order and they were a++

world war hulk planet hulk best tho

[rustic vale]

Actually

Read

That was not what I had copy pasted

[maiden narwhal]

did you doxx yourself

i'm well past reading days

sadly

[narrow hemlock]

squints

[maiden narwhal]

i used to read a book a day

smartphones ruined us

[maiden narwhal]

admin

does that work on discord

is he reported now

[rustic vale]

Where are my images going

[tepid light]

sorry, i'm not trying to mini-mod, i just actually felt like things were getting a bit far

[rustic vale]

they’re image links

they should be going through link everything else

[maiden narwhal]

why shackle strugglin

[rustic vale]

This is odd

[narrow hemlock]

oh no my squinting wasnt to insinuate minimodding lol youre fine (and correct)

[maiden narwhal]

it is painful to watch

[maiden narwhal]

REPORTED

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1214131034862653450/Captain_Canuck1.jpg?ex=65f7fea4&is=65e589a4&hm=c4e46ca379f8501f22be2c2fa1e626d67ed0b31dbc46735a0827202088562dc1&

Lets go

Took long enough

[maiden narwhal]

in 2001 or 2 i watched canada lose curling in the olympics

in a room full of canadians

if you can't win curling what the hell can you win

[maiden narwhal]

this is excellent tho

[rustic vale]

World record for largest contributing factor to the geneva convention….

As far as my history books taught me

[maiden narwhal]

a friend used to collect i'm going to ask him if he's heard of it

[narrow hemlock]

you guys should take this convo to #off-topic-discussion

[rustic vale]

This has to do with Hades trust

[narrow hemlock]

or #books-and-comics

[rustic vale]

I was just looping back around

[narrow hemlock]

[rustic vale]

[narrow hemlock]

ngl i forgot we had a comics channel

[rustic vale]

It had nothing to do with Hades

[maiden narwhal]

speaking of hades

if i cant learn cshot
do i have to learn cshot?

or is explosive ok?

and pulv

[rustic vale]

Cshot is more important on everything that isn’t zeus

on zeus you can chill with explosive

although cshot is still strongp

[maiden narwhal]

my v first 40 attempt got all the way to dad phase 2 with seed cshot

but that magic was never recreated

i think it was more about my boons

[stiff obsidian]

you mentioned me

[maiden narwhal]

you are also a++

[rustic vale]

As opposed to aspect of Poseidon being A

[latent moon]

cshot and explosive are good for zeus, pulv blow makes standing strikes slightly longer so you'd block/bull rush slightly slower

i dont necessarily recommend pulv blow for standard zeus play, but if you wanna like bash everything face first then pulv blow works lmao

[rustic vale]

If you wanna bash everytthing

Use zag

[latent moon]

cshot pulv and ER all play kinda differently on zeus

cshot and pulv blow mainly use the attack for damage with special for supporting (kinda-ish? depends what you get and rng at that point). cshot just has more range and pulv blow is in the face

for ER, you want to proc it as much as possible

[rustic vale]

pulv blow is honestly bad for meta zeus play as far as I learned from the high heat zeus guy

since you want to use your attack to group up enemies

Losing knockback is bad

[maiden narwhal]

i mentioned earlier how i don't know how zeus is my best (only) aspect because i play it so wrong
because standard is to go in special first, and i can't stop dash attacking and... yeah.. bashing everything in the face

ah so you're saying pulv er don't go together

[latent moon]

the biggest thing is relying on bull rush more

[maiden narwhal]

good to know

so pulv and wallop

[rustic vale]

Could speedrn.com load any slower

[maiden narwhal]

or explosive and something else special related

[latent moon]

im trying to find a certain message on how to play zeus lmao

[maiden narwhal]

yeah, now i've cleared 32, i'm open to forcing gods and getting guide help

[latent moon]

In pretty much all cases, you want to shoot for a combo where you throw the special, bullrush into the enemy, retrieve and active ER, throw special again, dash strike backwards while facing the enemy so it hits them, and then you end up almost immeditaly bull rushing again and repeat. Sometimes you might want to just have your special hitstun an enemy until they die if they are already on low hp instead of attacking them and therefore knocking them out of the special, but thats just a muscle you will build by playing more often. This combo is basically the key to zeus in terms of not getting hit and speed.
- Vaxon

[latent moon]

explosive doesnt necessarily need a second hammer

[maiden narwhal]

ok i do the backwards dash strike already, but i don't then bullrush back

need to start building that muscle memory

[latent moon]

practice on skelly lol

[rustic vale]

Huh

I wonder if we could just collect all Bajs messges

[maiden narwhal]

so cshot and what? the one that charges faster?

[rustic vale]

And throw them into a zeus guide

[rustic vale]

Charge faster ai my a huge deal

[latent moon]

sudden is fine but cshot doent really need a 2nd hammer

[rustic vale]

Cshot charges plenty fast

[maiden narwhal]

yes!!
but then i lower mouse speed and it's ok

[rustic vale]

And is static damage regardless of charge

[maiden narwhal]

but then on my PARTICULAR mouse there's no exact speed setting, it's either too fast or too slow

and hades won't let you do sensitivity

[rustic vale]

Think you can set mouse sensiivity outside of Hades

[maiden narwhal]

yeah there's a console someone had given me the commands for changing graphics as well

[latent moon]

cshot charge speed shouldn't really rely on mouse speed tho?

[maiden narwhal]

low medium high for texture etc

[rustic vale]

Cshot aiming is what would rely on sensisifivt

[maiden narwhal]

then why does it feel like it swings faster when i get the faster charge too

yeah did i say charge?

i meant aim only

[latent moon]

"swings faster" as in put down the shield?

[rustic vale]

It charges the same rate whether you standing strike or dash strike into it

[latent moon]

oh wait i get it

[rustic vale]

and it doesn’t charge faster if you wave your mouse around willy nilly after

[latent moon]

it just looks like it

it doesnt swing faster

[maiden narwhal]

it feels like it

[rustic vale]

feels

[maiden narwhal]

but also i think where your cursor is in relation to the mob

changes swing speed

with auto aim on

actually not i think, i know it does, i tested it on skelly

[latent moon]

are you on controller?

wait no mouse

[maiden narwhal]

no, mouse and keyboard

[rustic vale]

Feeling it a bad way to go about figuring out how things work in games

[latent moon]

yeah lol

[rustic vale]

If you just went by feeling you would never know the value of jokted

[maiden narwhal]

if your cursor is centred on skelly, it'll snap to him faster
the further away you move, the longer it takes

like.. smaller degrees

[latent moon]

idk it doesnt change the swing speed, the swing speed is entirely dependent on the player lol

auto aim is a different thing

[maiden narwhal]

i always have auto aim on so it's a thing thing

[latent moon]

it helps with aiming but sudden rush doesnt like do anything for that

[maiden narwhal]

it would be impossible to play a ranged weapon without it

[latent moon]

i mean yeah

[maiden narwhal]

alright

[latent moon]

but also cshot width is pretty large so you're less likely to miss it

[maiden narwhal]

i guess i'm used to moving my cursor at the same time as the charge

so when it charges faster i swing faster

so lowering the mouse speed helps tremendously

[rustic vale]

Just play beo and make it impossible to miss

[latent moon]

true

[maiden narwhal]

switch from zeus to beo?

i've never plyed beo

beyond the prophecies

or whatever

[latent moon]

tmw you hit the enemy at the very edge of flood flare so the knockback is actually relevent and you miss

[rustic vale]

I’m joking

[maiden narwhal]

oh ok

[rustic vale]

Beo is strong

[maiden narwhal]

idk the meta seems to be beo is win

[latent moon]

if you want lmao you'd have to get rid of dc2 tho

[rustic vale]

Don’t get me wrong

[latent moon]

kinda yeah lol beo makes stuff a lot easier if you know the build

and know to dash strike into the dragon rushes

[rustic vale]

Beo is a good aspect but the specific joke was about how Beo has increase rush size

[latent moon]

(slightly related, cshot and sudden rush on beo is a nightmare)

[rustic vale]

/flood flare is just a nuke

[maiden narwhal]

wym what's a dragon rush

nevermind i'll look at the aspect after this run

brb hades

[rustic vale]

Putting a cast in

Like Hera

[latent moon]

beo doesnt call the blocking/rushing bull rushes

[maiden narwhal]

oh ok bullrush is dragon rush when it's loaded

[latent moon]

hidden aspects tend to get a different name to stuff

[rustic vale]

is it not dragon rush when loaded

[maiden narwhal]

oh it's dragon rush regardless

ok

[lavish sorrel]

this is part of why you'll see people splitting casts on furies sometimes

[maiden narwhal]

so it's an animation cancel or?

[latent moon]

idk but i just call it dragon rush bc it's more correct than bull rush i would think lol

[rustic vale]

Idk I call it ladybug rush

[latent moon]

spaghetti plate rush

[lavish sorrel]

dragon rush, so when a cast is loaded, gets extra damage

[rustic vale]

Y’know what else is an animation cancel

[latent moon]

alt f4?

[rustic vale]

[maiden narwhal]

wtf if you alt tab wihtout hitting esc your clock keeps running

lame

[rustic vale]

Guys flipping the breaker off is an animation cancel

[latent moon]

i dont think i've tried that before lmao

[lavish sorrel]

no...? doesn't for me

[maiden narwhal]

i went back and it was running

unless it starts instantly

and if that is the case

[latent moon]

it prob started instantly

[maiden narwhal]

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW

[latent moon]

you can double check it lol

[maiden narwhal]

haha true

[rustic vale]

check the time when you leave

[latent moon]

like alt tab without pausing for like 5 secs

[maiden narwhal]

who was phone

[lavish sorrel]

you look at the difference in time 🗿

[maiden narwhal]

yes i understood

[rustic vale]

🧠

[maiden narwhal]

IT WAS A WHO WAS PHONE THING GUYS PLEASE DO NOT ACTUALLY TELL ME HOW I WILL CRY

[maiden narwhal]

google it it is v funny

i mean

we thought so

out of ely with 18.19 wow

skelly has been programmed not to taunt chariot theseus and that is absolute bollocks

does it work on him once it breaks or?

[upper wolf]

I mean, chariot theseus is doing his own thing tbh

dude doesn't have aggro

or anything

no thoughts behind that mask

[maiden narwhal]

ahahha it's so true

i love it

just like HA HA HA HA!!!!!

LOOK MA!!! NO HANDS!!!

[brisk trail]

...............

[stiff obsidian]

ok

[mint coral]

can't believe bouldy would say that

[tepid light]

he does make some good points about the socioeconomic climate of sweden though

[mint coral]

seeing the @ notification w/o context confused me for a sec

[normal glacier]

hi

[rose roost]

hellow

[nocturne kelp]

Chezburg

[upper wolf]

not even of chezburgs

[nocturne kelp]

Munches on chariot

So liek

[upper wolf]

[maiden narwhal]

tbf this is what most people are thinking all the time so

[upper wolf]

fake, most people are thinking all the time about Jen Zee's designs

Nemesis

[quasi dust]

Apollo

But mostly Nemesis

[nocturne kelp]

Cheeseburger

Chee urgers

[quasi dust]

Someone fetch this man a cheeseburger

[upper wolf]

how can elysium be the best afterlife if there are no macdonalds there ?

well, greek macdonald

[nocturne kelp]

Ch bur

[upper wolf]

Donaldes

Donaledus

[nocturne kelp]

c b

eese rger

[maiden narwhal]

SHE LOVES THINGS

[maiden narwhal]

that's an odd way to spell burgerking

they not gonna eat mcdonalds in elysium like a bunch of plebs

[nocturne kelp]

Oh

[maiden narwhal]

they gonna eat ambrosia like the double whopper

[nocturne kelp]

Looks around

[steep condor]

avalanche back👀

[steep condor]

lately i've been staring at hades2 pics and it took me a while due to being blinded by nemesis' splendor but i noticed melinoe's design is really cool too

[maiden narwhal]

?

all i did was express a preference for bk over mcdonalds

was that rude and unkind?
did it make you cry?

was it inflammatory?

[steep condor]

lol no

[maiden narwhal]

i'm confused

oh ok

[steep condor]

i just thought you were banned after thing last time tbh but apparently i was wrong

[maiden narwhal]

nah. i left tho

[steep condor]

ah

[maiden narwhal]

but i am back now, yes

tada!

[quasi dust]

Welcome back

[golden nymph]

Hey guys how come we cant use our normal netflix to Login on Hades - NETFLIX downloaded with a Philippines appstore? Is it completely regions blocked my IP ? This wont happen with other neflix Soft Launched on Philippines.

[upper wolf]

no idea about that specific case, but usually things like that are due to some legal shenanigans

so maybe the issue is apple, or netflix, of philippines or something. But I wouldn't bet that it can be helped tbh

[golden nymph]

yea this is probably some shenanigans with netflix

sonic mania was soft launched in philippines appstore and i can use my netflix account to logon on it no problems

when trying on hades, says that i need to upgrade my netflix billing and check if my account is netflix games compatible

[maiden narwhal]

grr td3 got me at dad

well. dad got me. but either or

and i skipped erubus and chaos bah

[true oak]

how do you like to start guan yu? i tend to do shackle

is athena better?

[fervent radish]

Special focused probably aphro

Spin focused Athena

Apparently ME is meta for speedrunning?

[true oak]

i tried dd with lc4 gy 45 heat, but timed out on heroes

i think sd would probably be easier

[mystic lark]

Well, I am now #571 on modded anyheat leaderboard. Is it something significant? Nope. Am I a bit proud? Yup. ^^

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1214243118623358986/image.png?ex=65f86707&is=65e5f207&hm=a17b44c63922fdb7b497cad83c40a9da67d6fb44aff9261503d6cc6edf5d6987& yay my gy and eris runs got verified

9 aspects sub7 on src now

[stiff obsidian]

0

for me

[stone rune]

didnt u sub7 eris

[stiff obsidian]

3 times

[tepid light]

what's the exact 'verification' process, exactly

i don't know anything about the process so i'm curious

[stone rune]

they watch the run and make sure its good

[tepid light]

i assume that doesn't take much time

depending on how many runs they get ofc

[stiff obsidian]

there are thousands of runs

i think

[tepid light]

ah

fair enough

[stone rune]

for modded they make sure ur hash is right and stuff

that hades is always on the screen

they probably do some other magic whatever

[tepid light]

hash?
not familiar with the term

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1214246102904217641/image.png?ex=65f869ce&is=65e5f4ce&hm=36ebd8057d6ce622435ffe6fb172e31c7f8f60d0d5a33c6abea07168cd5c715a&

[stiff obsidian]

the faces on modeded in the corner

[stone rune]

these

[tepid light]

gotcha

[mystic lark]

Nah, I don't think there are that many new runs. Not now anyway

[tepid light]

how long did you verification take, then?
and who exactly judged the verifications?

[stiff obsidian]

verifiers

[tepid light]

[stone rune]

its not like ur given all of this information

between my run being submitted and verified was 27 days

idk when in that time they started verifying but i dont think it takes that long

[tepid light]

Well, either way, that's not too long

Bout a month

[mystic lark]

My runs got verified 6 hours ago after 24 days - but in these 24 days there were no other verified runs, so the person who verifies runs only now found time to do that

[tepid light]

On what basis are verifiers chosen?

[stone rune]

when i had submitted they had verified up to 5 days before

they make good people mods

idk

well

good people and teddy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1214246879962075136/image.png?ex=65f86a87&is=65e5f587&hm=5c1543e2a4e1da208229c94a8bd1bcd9ea157c263038090f96619ce9ccda3cfe&

here u go

[tepid light]

gotcha, ty

i guess since it's been a while since hades came out and hades 2 is just around the corner, attention for speedruns isn't as big as it was before

[stone rune]

its just a lot of the old players r pretty inactive

ive been one of relatively few active runners for the past like year

consistently

lot of people had small bouts of activity but not hyperobsession level

[tepid light]

i'm sure things will blow up again once hades 2 comes out

i did enjoy watching those livestreamed 1v1 speedruns back when

[stone rune]

i dont like hades 2 existence

because it makes me keep my steam wallet above 25 dollars at all times

[stiff obsidian]

i wish i was good

then icould speedrun too

[tepid light]

lmao, fair enough

[stiff obsidian]

back to em4 mines for me

[tepid light]

here i am with a big quantity of games i haven't played but i'm def gonna play hades 2 as soon as it drops

[stone rune]

yea

[fervent radish]

Real

[stone rune]

all of the games i got in 2023 had no shot against hades

during winter break i did play some other games

[tepid light]

i have the witcher series and the yakuza series all in my library

[stone rune]

i refunded the witcher 3 because it did not seem good

[tepid light]

but i've barely touched either of them

[stone rune]

cause i was like

[jagged flower]

Getting attack damage is better than dash-strike damage right, like does attack damage affect dash-strike damage or not?

[tepid light]

i'm sure i'll play them eventually but

not yet lmao

[stone rune]

i want to try at least one boilerplate bog standard "open world rpg"

to know what they're like

[stone rune]

attack damage will affect dash strike generally

[tepid light]

i assume you've tried skyrim

[stone rune]

there are a few exceptions

i tried skyrim and did not enjoy it

[stiff obsidian]

im limited by my mac

its so garbage

[tepid light]

that's how i was for the majority of my gaming career

[stiff obsidian]

this thing can only reliably run candy crush or something

[tepid light]

any open world rpg's you did like?

[stone rune]

crystal project if that counts

[tepid light]

haven't heard of that one

what's it like

[stone rune]

it was my first jrpg

its like

absolutely 0 story

but really deep combat and awesome exploration/platforming

i screwed it up for myself by learning a particular movement technique that lets u basically skip everything ever and then i got to the final boss too early

but it was so good

[tepid light]

huh, never heard of this before

story is important for me so i'm not sure if i'd play it

but people generally seem to like it

[stone rune]

it never requires grinding (unless u chnage a characters class and u need skill points but that takes like 5 minutes) its more strategy

[stiff obsidian]

i play this rly cool medieval war simulator

trategy game

[stone rune]

like for one boss i had to change all of my rogue's levels over to beatsmith which is worse in every way except for speed in order to get like 2 more speed which let me beat the boss

[stiff obsidian]

called chess

[tepid light]

i was about to ask "do you mean chess"

lmao

[tepid light]

that must have been rather frustrating in the moment

[stone rune]

initially i was like

how tf am i ever meant to beat this boss

because its turn time was so low

but once i realized it was so cool

basically u had to keep the boss from doing a few particular attacks which if they hit would basically just instagib u

like no chance

and the rogue has an ability which he can use that makes the boss blind for 1 turn which makes all physical attacks miss

but can only be done if the rogue has the lowest threat

so i needed to keep attacking with the mages and threatening with fencer to keep the rogue's threat low

it was a rlly good fight

[tepid light]

how long would you say the game takes to complete

ballpark

[stone rune]

id imagine anywhere between 40 and 80 hours

depending on what approach u take

because like

each boss or big enemy is more like a puzzle

if you want you can grind out for hours to level up which would make ur runs take longer

not runs

whatever

[tepid light]

that's a fair range
but i guess that means it's not a 'short' game

[stone rune]

yeah its an open world jrpg made in the year of our lord 2022

its not gonna be short

for short bug fables was really good

and like 15 hrs

[tepid light]

i went on a major single-player rpg binge at one point

got majorly burned out

getting back into the habit now though

[stone rune]

i havent played many

[tepid light]

as i said, story's a huge factor for me so games which can offer interesting stories are very tempting for me

but even for me, eventually you get burned out

[stone rune]

i dont need a story

if there is one and its good thats cool

[tepid light]

well, different preference then

there's a lot of games that have made me absolutely giddy over the story choices/paths they offer

mechanics are excellent but without an interesting story i just feel less motivated, for lack of a better word

[stone rune]

like cruelty squad

[stiff obsidian]

how many games do you have/play

[stone rune]

really cool story but the story is not what gets me to play it

its just the good mechanics and level design and visual direction

i have too many and play too few

[tepid light]

this game looks wacky as hell ngl

looking at the steam page rn

[stone rune]

its really really good

[tepid light]

psychedelic

[stiff obsidian]

i only play like 3 in my whole life i feel i should play more

[stone rune]

i got all achievements the day they came out

[tepid light]

are you asking me or jazz

[stone rune]

heres a challenge run i did once for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7__jLB1ZPs&t=1s

[stiff obsidian]

i dont know

i probably wont even remember hwat im saying rn later

[stone rune]

its a shame i didnt use the toilet strat but

[stiff obsidian]

im kind of dizzy right now ha

[stone rune]

i was just taking fall damage too often

[tepid light]

jesus christ this game looks like a drug trip

just based on the graphics

[stiff obsidian]

yep

is not helping my headache

[stone rune]

u get used to it pretty quickly

for me i was like "waow thats so wacky and crazyyyy" for the first level and then i was a little disoriented for the next few and then it just became background noise

well more accurately on the first level i was confused for half an hour and uninstalled before reinstalling and realizing i was playing the wrong level

[tepid light]

but yeah False, if you're looking for my recommendations, some of the best games I've played would be the Dragon Age series, Divinity Original Sin 2, the Mass Effect series, Pathfinder Kingmaker, Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous, Sunless Skies, Sunless Seas, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader, and Wasteland 3

All rpg games with good mechanics and very appealing story for me

[tepid light]

fair enough, anything gets tolerable after enough exposure

[stone rune]

in terms of games that can run on a bad machine id say crystal project, west of loathing/shadows over loathing, supraland/supraland siu (actually runs badly on any computer but u dont really need the frames), lovely planet, pseudoregalia

[tepid light]

Oh boy, west over loathing and shadows over loathing

I watched a friend play them

Those games are hilarious

[stone rune]

yeah theyre amazing

this is lovely planet https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/869638809908838501/1138716695163322428/shwoop.mp4?ex=65f14410&is=65decf10&hm=d8e8115f7ab2ec9f3e56835496c64a1ff1e2cefcbd6c25b02d3561feaec25383&

[tepid light]

IS THAT CHINESE I SEE

[stone rune]

its kind of like if they made neon white but tolerable

and also really hard

but it aws made like 10 years earlier than neon white

[tepid light]

i will admit i'm not as much of a fan of fast paced shooter games like that

just because i get confused too quick

but i can understand the appeal

[stiff obsidian]

krunker

[maiden narwhal]

pseudoregalia would be perfect if it wasn't 3d

[stone rune]

why

[maiden narwhal]

i don't like 3d

it ruined mario

and fighters

i went through all the games you mentioned and it's the only one i liked but i know how bad i'd be at those mechanics with a 3d grid

zag shield is pretty advanced huh

feels a lot more unforgiving than zeus

zeus is ez

[leaden birch]

Which of the main gods with big flat +% to damage provide the biggest buff?

Like

Athena, Aphrodite or Poseidon?

[latent moon]

aphrodite

[leaden birch]

aphordite on arthur it is then

[latent moon]

aphrodite has the largest % for both attack and special

[leaden birch]

aphrodite*

[latent moon]

athena and dem have 2nd highest for attack, 3rd highest for special

pos has 2nd lowest on attack, 2nd highest on special

artemis is lowest for both but also crit chance so it's like on par with aphrodite basically

[leaden birch]

ic

think I'm gonna go with Aphrodite on Arthur's attack tho like I said

[latent moon]

yeah that's generally the right choice

[desert tundra]

Nah, I always go Arty

Need more crits for my brain

[last veldt]

Stick Artemis on special and look for Hunter's Mark. Beeeg crits.

[rustic vale]

Even with pos’s +%

the knockback is deterimental more often then not

[last veldt]

On its own, sure, but Breaking Wave and Razor Shoals are good.

Oh on Arthur attack it's bad though. Don't wanna knock stuff out of the way.

[mint coral]

There are better pls cores for that tho

[rustic vale]

If you want bwave and shoals just use tdash

[last veldt]

Fair.

[brisk trail]

guys

varatha

is

a spear

I think

[stiff obsidian]

crazy

[stone rune]

crazy? i was crazy once

[tepid light]

they locked me in a room

[maiden narwhal]

which better for zag attack

on shield

[stiff obsidian]

a rubber room

[maiden narwhal]

i guess just go artemis cause she better overall

some weapons are heavier and you move slower?

feels like you move faster with zag shield than zeus

[steep condor]

a rubber room with a river of blood and rats

[tepid light]

and rats and blood make me crazy

[maiden narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1214461487343734805/image.png?ex=65f93266&is=65e6bd66&hm=6151b9c1d49afa756acf179830b6feb98d3f4e0fe1b9dd9b6b047cacbf1f22db&

which god to force for asphodel?

i did artemis for tartarus

do poseidon now?

[stone rune]

why did u do artemis

[maiden narwhal]

because bananas said her attack is top

and she has great support

[stone rune]

where is the attack

[maiden narwhal]

well

she didn't end up offering it

and i didn't want to roll

[stone rune]

take cast

u want ur dash slot for other things

[maiden narwhal]

better than flood?

[stone rune]

like tdah

[maiden narwhal]

i was hoping for mirage and exclusive

[stone rune]

why would you hope for mirage

its zagshield

anyways you can get those with tdash

[maiden narwhal]

it's still a nice boon?

[stone rune]

not really

[maiden narwhal]

ok i'll switch dash and cast if i can

[stone rune]

its basically useless because your cast is not anywhere near a focus

[maiden narwhal]

or just rerun it

it's only asphodel

[maiden narwhal]

should i ignore special too?

i suck with it anyway it's hard to aim

[stone rune]

yes for anyhting other than opening duos

its completely useless

[maiden narwhal]

opening duos?

oh

ok i get it

thought you meant trials

for a second

ok so focus purely on attack

what do you put on cast?

[stone rune]

whatever

doesnt really matter

utility stuff

[maiden narwhal]

oh i had a question about cast

poseidon demeter duo, the blizzard cast thing

it doesn't lodge, but does big damage

is that worth it?

[stone rune]

eshot or phalanx

not rlly unless u build for it from the start

[maiden narwhal]

ok

it melted lernie

but then i died in elysium lol

31 heat is hard

[maiden narwhal]

what attack best?
aphro?

[stone rune]

arty or aph or something

high %

[maiden narwhal]

ok arty again then

[latent moon]

it's kinda situational but she is good

[maiden narwhal]

i like her support boons so if her attack is stronk that's d bonus

i'm going to unbind special

see how that works

wow
thing grabbed me and then sneak unload his entire clip into me

can't even be mad that was beautiful

oh my god pulv blow takes away that stupid little slide he does it's wonderful

pulv blow best hammer

[maiden narwhal]

is no special pulv blow one of those situations?

[latent moon]

arty is good if you get additional chaos scaling

[maiden narwhal]

ah

this is advanced play

td3 and chaos, you say

[latent moon]

arty's also good on like nem and zag bow attack since those have an inbuilt crit chance so that's helpful

twin shot and double edge make arty attack fine without chaos scaling

[maiden narwhal]

?

[latent moon]

rama twin/triple shot and hunter's dash is enough scaling

[latent moon]

that's not a thing afaik

[maiden narwhal]

hm

it really feels faster movement than zeus shield

and i spent a lot of time playing zeus shield

is zag bow lighter than rama?

can someone test it please

maybe if you have coding things you can check that idk

[stone rune]

no

[maiden narwhal]

ok then idk why zag shield feels like he moves faster

you are actually the first thing that came to mind when i equipped zag shield becaue i wondered if speedrunners used lighter weapons

ugh i got distracted and didn't keepsake asphodel and now i have to start the run again

[stiff obsidian]

you only need 1 keepsake ever for zagshield

aphro

then win

[rose roost]

i don't think there's a "weapon weight" concept in the game

or else it would've been discovered pretty soon

i think it's just some weapon animation that are slower than other like arthur swings and rama charge time

[latent moon]

if weapon weight was a thing arthur would walk slow as hell lmao

[tepid light]

if weapon weight was a thing beowulf would be a massive pain to lug around

that's an actual tower shield

[latent moon]

literal door

[lavish sorrel]

Pasta plate

[tepid light]

so yeah, as Dom said

if you feel like you have different movement speed just because of a given weapon, that's just you

[stiff obsidian]

idk man zagsword felt kinda light to me

[tepid light]

ur mum felt light to me

[stiff obsidian]

cant say the same about yours 😔

[tepid light]

damn

i got gotted

[hallow fern]

guys what are you supposed to do with sword

[rose roost]

lol

which aspect?

[hallow fern]

any

[rose roost]

if u want easy wins do ME

saw ur fists run just copy-paste that

and always dash-strike for better dps

double-edge is the single best hammer

[hallow fern]

that build is really annoying to come by

[rose roost]

there are specific builds you can do nem and posiedon and play to their strengths if u don't want ME

[hallow fern]

gotta get Ares attack, athena Special, athena dash and merciful end

[lavish sorrel]

If you get then Double Edge becomes less of a necessity 😌

And alternatively, yes, can be built using casts (usually athena -> lightning phalanx, or zeus)

[rose roost]

for nem: aphro/arti attk and the reverse special combined with tidal dash is really good

[void vigil]

I have actually never tried zeus cast with poseidon. I don’t think I played poseidon more than once, if ever

It sounds fun

[lavish sorrel]

(Downside to this is that sword soup is very DEdge-dependant)

[rose roost]

ye

sword gameplay takes a while to get comfortable with

and arthur is an anamoly u either love it or hate it

[lavish sorrel]

It is fun, I pushed to 45 heat with possword . Past that its high heat weakness became apparent though

[void vigil]

Imagine playing with more than 1 heat… cf forever

[lavish sorrel]

Worst high heat aspect

[void vigil]

Kind of nuts that GY cleared 64. Even modded

Oh wait it’s not a sword

Well

It is in my heart now

[rose roost]

everyone thought it was gonna be rama

[void vigil]

Rama was It in days of yore

[lavish sorrel]

Possword and GY are my two favorites

[hallow fern]

demeter boons underrated?

[rose roost]

eh

[lavish sorrel]

She has good support boons, but her cores are mediocre

[rose roost]

her core boons are straight up sub-par

there are some good secondary like rare crop, nourished soul and rav will

[hallow fern]

look in #h1-victory-boasting

[rose roost]

and the meme beam build

[lavish sorrel]

Meme beam bad

[rose roost]

it's ok lol

best use case for beam

[lavish sorrel]

(Only*)

[rose roost]

cold embrace

[rose roost]

you would do better with dio special

[void vigil]

Cold embrace kinda weird but I want to see how the “pros” play that

Meme beam is super fun tho

[rose roost]

Haelian did a cold embrace run

[void vigil]

oh huh

[rose roost]

It was kinda absurd to look at lol

[lavish sorrel]

Last I've seen of meme beam was an achilles speedrunner named CardDweeb doing a speedrun on it for the... well... memes.

It did like nothing in terms of damage, comparatively

[hallow fern]

that takes 2 duo boons

[rose roost]

not really

you only need some poms

[void vigil]

I’ve been watching some speedrun streams and yeah comparatively, it’s all no damage hestia clearing dad phase in like a second is scary

[lavish sorrel]

Bestia

[void vigil]

💪 💪 💪

[rose roost]

rama has one of the most satisfying dad kills I've ever seen

[stone rune]

not taking it

not taking meme beam

rama dad kill is so bad

if u ever get hit it’s joever

and the damage sucks

pretty sure there are no sub30 dads on rama

[rose roost]

just don't get hit

[void vigil]

AND just get the boons

[lavish sorrel]

[void vigil]

I hate autocorrect with all my soul. For the record

[stone rune]

r u sure about that

[void vigil]

[stone rune]

i forgot i have to sleep at night

[lavish sorrel]

Fix sleep schedule plsthx

[stone rune]

should i sleep for 6 hours but wake up an hour 45 before my class or 7 hours but only wake up 45 min before class