so i can live in blissful ignorance and play hades instead
#h1-discussion
marsh merlin
oh trust me im not even close to 202
fwg takes people months, even years
its REALLY hard
rustic vale
What
marsh merlin
especially without modded access
rustic vale
197/202 isn’t close?
marsh merlin
no
marsh merlin
201/202 isnt even close
rustic vale
marsh merlin
because getting from 175/202 to 201/202 (from All red berries to all reds plus all goldens but fwg) will literally take less time combined than fwg
its that hard
i have genuinely seen fwg take people upwards of a year
rustic vale
Well imo 197/202 is pretty darn close and this is clearly a linear relationship so
you’re right there
marsh merlin
its not like its the hardest chapter in game by far AND is also 20 minutes long and the golden berry is doing the chapter deathless
marsh merlin
im not going for fwg yet lol
im gonna live in blissful ignorance and play hades instead
rustic vale
Avoidance isn’t going to solve your problem of not 100% Celeste
raw herald
I’m so good at Celeste fr (I beat forsaken city in gd)
rustic vale
Neither is suppression
marsh merlin
Avoidance isn’t going to solve your problem of not 100% Celeste
technically I have 100% because everyone counts All red berries as 100% and the goldens as extra stuff past 100%, just like how hk goes up to 112%
rustic vale
That’s just bad math on their part
They just don’t want to actually 100% the game and call it a day
Quitters
marsh merlin
its probably based on the fact on steam there is no achievements for getting any goldens
rustic vale
I forgot how flurry takes away my fun rythm fame
silk stone
best aspect for exagryph?
stone rune
hestia or eris
silk stone
hestia or eris
isnt lucifer good
rustic vale
.
silk stone
issa laser
rustic vale
Lucifer and Zag rail aren’t bad either mind you
. 
rustic vale
issa laser
Solid logic
silk stone
yesh
rustic vale
However the real strength of lucifer doesn’t come from the laser
It comes from the hellfire
rustic vale
The special
silk stone
whats theh sspecial
rustic vale
big kaboom that stays and pulses till it takes damage
stone rune
the damage from exploding them is where its at
rustic vale
big kaboom that stays and pulses till it takes damage
But you don’t let it pulse
You just explode it instantly
For double big kabooms
rustic vale
Rng moment
stone rune
does anyone have link to wmic 5:43 luci
rustic vale
nah
rustic vale
I may have the link to the clip of the stupid luci with hazard
silk stone
https://youtu.be/n8_fjJY-Sao?t=1000
wait how do you get meg to help you?
silk stone
how to open ambrosia
silk stone
ok
silk stone
has anyone ever beaten hades with maximum heat? like will all the conditions at once?
sounds literally impossible
sour fog
only like two or three people I think
and only this year
at least unmodded
without affecting any odds
this was the first
lavish sorrel
has anyone ever beaten hades with maximum heat? like will all the conditions at ...
Angel and Bai have done it unmodded.
Mysterra has done modded 63 normal mode multiple times, among them at least once with every god's special.
lavish sorrel
Am I misremembering? Entirely possible.
No, bai did unmodded once
I know that much
silk stone
btw does aspect of lucifer have 100% accuracy
lavish sorrel
Idr
lavish sorrel
Me when the beam is off-center
stone rune
do u expect zag to be a quake character
royal bobcat
upper wolf
based
silk stone
is my luck really bad or am i doing something wrong
i got guan yu aspect of varatha
i invested 5 titan blood in rail
i talked to zeus for about 30 times now
i just got the aspect....
😭 🙏
my luick is honestly so bad
sour fog
unmodded? wait theres mods?
I haven't modded but I imagine Nexus is the main source
upper wolf
nexus and speedrun.com for the modpack
sour fog
there's also modding discord pinned in some channel here in case you want to talk mods more indepth
but people say it's mostly dead
silk stone
what does my attacks no longer ramping on exagryph mean?
upper wolf
luci attack deals more damage the longer it goes on
it's a significant increase, but still not enough to justify a % boon over zeus
the ramping I mean
silk stone
OH
winter plaza
my dusa is either bugged or refuses to trigger
i have her affinity maxed but she won't trigger the cutscene ;-;
mint coral
Rng moment
winter plaza
Rng moment
truth
last veldt
Dusa's got work to do. Stop interrupting her.
fleet tangle
my new laptop can't run hades and im sad about it
can play on pc though
i love this game
opaque fable
there is no way hypnos just told meg that the secret to beating zag is "don't get hit"
void vigil
mint coral
Hypnos my beloved
royal bobcat
so if I wanna reset the seed I can't just 'give up', I have to die to reset the seed?
upper wolf
yes
RI4 HS makes it easier
you can "give up" to take RI4 HS I guess
no idea if it's faster
or more convenient in any way
opaque fable
chibi artemis is the most adorable thing i've ever seen
rustic vale
btw does aspect of lucifer have 100% accuracy
Yeah and both pc and controller has aim assist
silk stone
Yeah and both pc and controller has aim assist
controller aim assist better tbh
opaque fable
hunting blades is a cursed build for me i swear
i'm some how down to no defies vs astarius mini boss and i still haven't seen hb
ok the run is turbo saved
bought 2 defies in styx and got hunting blades just before heroes
rustic vale
silk stone
the stygius blade with nemesis aspect is actually so good
im gonna unlock the hidden aspect of it tho
drowsy linden
i'm some how down to no defies vs astarius mini boss and i still haven't seen hb
you have yet to see my luck
about 5 whole runs with no hunting blades and crystal clarity in a row(5 with each)
note: the hunting blades runs did have legascam
lucid sinew
there's also modding discord pinned in some channel here in case you want to tal...
MODS IN HADES?
YEEEEEEEES
void vigil
its pinned in #self-promotion
opaque fable
oh i know that
can't believe i hit everything i wanted for this build
splitting headache heartrend low tolerance curse of nausea
upper wolf
blessed
autumn root
how do I install a mod?
void vigil
you could ask in the modding server
#self-promotion message
jagged hamlet
Now there's a mod
true oak
would rush delivery boost slicing shot?
i have purple hyper delivery with hunting blades on achilles lol
latent moon
it wont be like consistent boosted damage but it's still like good
true oak
ofc
latent moon
common rift doesnt matter that much considering you have purple rd lmao
true oak
no i mean common hyper sprint, so shorter boost
true oak
it would've been cool at least
latent moon
0.1-0.2 sec difference
rustic vale
no i mean common hyper sprint, so shorter boost
Tbh the ~0.125 second boost isn’t huge
Rarity of hyper delivery doesn’t matter as much as the rarity of the rush delivery
true oak
it's just one rift hit prob
true oak
oh yeah stupid me
upper wolf
better common hypersprint and epic RD than the inverse 
rustic vale
Byw
Movespeed is multiplicative
If you get a ton of movespeed boosts from wells your damage will spike
rustic vale
I wonder if one could viably use plume for runcontrol
latent moon
there's no point in doing that when you can just like
buy ichors for 10 bucks a pop
and also like
if you're doing run control you wanna avoid combats
so you're just going through chaos a lot lmao
there's not really a point in plume
marsh merlin
jeez playing fists definitely feels harder than sword
just died to hades with 3 death defy and 275 maxhp...
i even had athena aid too....
if i had to gess i would say its because i didnt get merciful end because it took me a while to get athena special
lavish sorrel
jeez playing fists definitely feels harder than sword
fists are probably the worst weapon out of the 6, yes. however much simpler to get a feel for than the others imo.
marsh merlin
and the dash strikes actually feel good unlike sword
lavish sorrel
and the dash strikes actually feel good ~~unlike sword~~
I am offended
marsh merlin
i used to play sword and i genuinely hated the dash strikes
they felt so bad
and so clunky
lavish sorrel
as I said: fists are much easier to get a feel for
marsh merlin
and sword just feels bad in general
latent moon
yeah fists feel a lot better but like meta wise they're kinda not great lmao
lavish sorrel
~~and sword just feels bad in general~~
must disagree
latent moon
sword isn't much better than fists generally lmao
lavish sorrel
true
marsh merlin
fists feels a lot harder to win than sword for sure though
latent moon
i mean you have a lot more practice with sword than fists tbf
so itll take some time
marsh merlin
even then i could win easier with swords early on than with fists
lavish sorrel
i mean you have a lot more practice with sword than fists tbf
bananas, I'm a former talos main and have done a fair bit of gilga too. I have a lot of practice with both
latent moon
oh i wasn't aware of the talos and gilga arc lmao
marsh merlin
it just feels like im taking lots more damage with fists
latent moon
it does have significantly less range lmao
marsh merlin
thats probably why
latent moon
unless you get long knukcle then you have like spear range for some god forsaken reason
lavish sorrel
unless you get long knukcle then you have like spear range for some god forsaken...
kinda zag rail
latent moon
spread fire zag rail range?
lavish sorrel
I meant regular zag rail with long knuckle
latent moon
why does zag rail have long knuckle
lavish sorrel
and spread fire zag rail but with less damage without long knyuckle
latent moon
i'm confused lmao
lavish sorrel
why does zag rail have long knuckle
I mean fists + long knuckle = kinda regular zag rail
lavish sorrel
and regular fists = bad spread fire zagrail
latent moon
that tracks lmao
marsh merlin
idk which weapon to play because sword feels bad imo and fists are really hard to play because of how close you have to be
i haven't tried out many of the other weapons tho
lavish sorrel
shield 
marsh merlin
in fact i have literally never played an actual run with rail
and i have only ever escaped with sword and fists
latent moon
rail is really good
zeus attack, artemis or aphrodite special, poseidon dash, win lmao
or like
dont die at least
lavish sorrel
in fact i have literally never played an actual run with rail
first of all, relatable, rail is my least favourite weap so i haven't played it much
second of all, go try rail, go see if you enjoy it.
marsh merlin
just looking at the aspects there is no way i could ever play hestia
latent moon
hestia is actually imo the easiest rail to use
marsh merlin
my reload weapon button is real uncomfortable and there isnt really a good place i can move it to without putting some other thing i use in an uncomfortable spot
lavish sorrel
hestia is actually imo the easiest rail to use
the first rail I learned to play, yeah. plays a lot like one of my favourite Dead Cells weapons so that helped
rustic vale
I mean fists + long knuckle = kinda regular zag rail
Not really
latent moon
you'd cast on hestia for like
boiling blood
but that'd only be against bosses mostly
i will say tho
hestia needs to be like level 3 to be usable
lvl 2 is doable but wont feel great imo, 1 is kinda just bad
marsh merlin
how much titan blood is that
marsh merlin
oh yeah im nowhere close to that
marsh merlin
i have 3 titans blood rn and 3 ambrosia i could trade
latent moon
how many diamonds
marsh merlin
0
latent moon
unfortunate
tbf base rail is fine
it's just a very different play style than hestia tho
latent moon
ngl it'd play about what you'd expect from having a gun in a game
latent moon
is it just dash strike spam like literally everything else
kinda yes and no? dash strikes dont like do anything weird for rail
dash strikes on rail makes bullets come out faster
marsh merlin
ngl it'd play about what you'd expect from having a gun in a game
i never play guns in games so i dont know what this means
latent moon
fair enough i guess
lavish sorrel
step 1: special as soon as you can
step 2: hold down the attack button with autoaim on
step 3: release attack button when no more ammo
latent moon
chaos curse moment
spice scarab
i have made a mistake
latent moon
weapon
spice scarab
each time i attack i lose 5 health
lavish sorrel
the sword with nemesis
it's so over 
unless you don't get hit
latent moon
it'll leave you at 1 hp
jagged hamlet
Just never get hit
spice scarab
it wont kill me?
marsh merlin
but you will probably die if you cant no hit furies
spice scarab
megaera and alecto
latent moon
only get hit at the beginning so you stay at 1 hp the whole time lmao
marsh merlin
what sorts of builds are viable with rail
latent moon
play hyper aggressive until you get to like 10 hp lmfao
latent moon
what sorts of builds are viable with rail
quite literally only 1 lmao
for base zag rail at least
marsh merlin
which s?
latent moon
zeus attack
marsh merlin
is*
latent moon
artemis or aphrodite special, but any large % can do
marsh merlin
he is one of the 3 god keepsakes i dont have..........
lavish sorrel
what sorts of builds are viable with rail
on anything except hestia you can use zeus attack + anything with scaling off of base damage for special + poseidon dash
spice scarab
i only lost one deaths defiance
latent moon
oof that's rough
spice scarab
so we are chillin
spice scarab
i got clipped by a spin
marsh merlin
actually wait no i do have zues nvm
latent moon
the funny option is to take coin purse and just get him in c1
marsh merlin
zeus
latent moon
oh nice
marsh merlin
i didnt notice i had his lol
mint coral
on anything except hestia you can use zeus attack + anything with scaling off of...
lightning strike hestia numer 1 💪 💪
jagged hamlet
Just time consuming. Not terribly hard unless you find 16 heat hard
mint coral
for achievements is not bad from what I've seen
marsh merlin
the god keepsakes im missing are the one between zeus and athena, and the 2 between artemis and demeter in the keepsake menu
mint coral
just grinding for story stuff and keepsake
latent moon
all achievements just take a lot of time yeah
spice scarab
gotcha
latent moon
it's not hard it's just tedious but if you like the game then it wont feel that way
mint coral
the god keepsakes im missing are the one between zeus and athena, and the 2 betw...
next to demeter should be hermes
marsh merlin
i think its hermes poseidon and dio that im missing keepsakes for
yeah
those 3
for the god keepsakes
are the only ones im missing
mint coral
hermes keepsake doesn't matter much for builds
lavish sorrel
oh i wasn't aware of the talos and gilga arc lmao
for the record, I had barely joined the speedcord at the time of playing Talos (and when I did post, it was for FF stuffs), so that tracks
latent moon
ah fair enough
mint coral
hermes keepsake doesn't matter much for builds
it has like 1 niche
marsh merlin
im missing hermes, poseidon, and dionysus keepsakes and the last 2 on the bottom row
latent moon
not having poseidon isn't the worst thing in the world tbf but his dash damage be kinda good
lavish sorrel
it has like 1 niche
(either dodge fists, plume zag sword, or just generally opening RD on first hermes)
so 3 niches
marsh merlin
with base rail do you want any duos or just zeus attack, high % special
lavish sorrel
splitting bolt from zeus too, I think?
latent moon
but you dont like aim for that
for splitting you kinda just like
half ass aim for it
because jolted is a bigger priority than splitting prereqs
mint coral
I always gamble with taking storm lightning in tart and it never pays off 
latent moon
and that's a lot of zeus you gotta get lmao
marsh merlin
so like if artemis or aphro show up take them but dont go for their duos
latent moon
oh yeah static discharge from zeus is your priority from zeus boons after his attack btw
latent moon
so like if artemis or aphro show up take them but dont go for their duos
yeah more or less
you want their special
marsh merlin
ok
mint coral
if you take arte you'll run into rod sooner or later anyways
latent moon
artemis special would naturally open lightning rod if you're using infernal soul in the mirror
marsh merlin
i think i am
yeah i have it upgraded for the rare chance i do decide to go for casts lol
latent moon
lmao fair
if you want to get smoldering air from aphrodite special, you need to pick up a call boon
ideally you'd get zeus or dio call but it's kinda asking for a lot atm lmao
marsh merlin
lol
latent moon
sometimes rng smiles and you just take it lmao
will say that you dont want to take a call before you get both of your hermes boons since it'll make getting good hermes harder
rustic vale
like which hammers are good for base rail
If you mean zag rail by base rail
marsh merlin
no just no aspects
rustic vale
Rocket bomb, triple bomb and cluster with rocket bomb, and spreadfire
marsh merlin
my first hammer is cluster bomb, seeking fire or ricochet fire
rustic vale
Cluster
autumn root
if I reset the mirror perks do I loose the darkness?
tardy aurora
why is theseus such a jerk to asterius when all asterius did was try help him not get embarrased by zagreus so much
marsh merlin
ok im really bad at rail
hmmm
i have no idea what to play aaaaa
sword feels bad, fists take too much damage because of how close you have to be and i just really suck at rail
jagged hamlet
Which rail do you suck at? Zagreus and Eris play somewhat similarly, but maybe you'll like the bolt-action gameplay of Hestia
marsh merlin
playing rail is genuinely the first time i have ever died in a random chamber in elysium
marsh merlin
Which rail do you suck at? Zagreus and Eris play somewhat similarly, but maybe y...
i just played with no aspect
was doing zeus atk aphrodite special stuff
but playing rail is unironically the only run i have ever lost to elysium that wasnt to the heroes
jagged hamlet
Oh. Did you put Zeus, then Zeus, then more Zeus on the rail? Zagrail, Eris, and hidden rail absolutely spit lightning
marsh merlin
literally every time zeus showed up i grabbed his boon
opaque fable
... what the hell was that heroes fight
em3 hits different
zeus attack rips on rail
use blood on eris rail it's generally the strongest
hammer your specials
opaque fable
skill problem i think
marsh merlin
my main problem with fists is how much damage i take because of being close
opaque fable
that's why you learn attack patterns and either full dash through dangerous attacks or run away
the unfortunate reality is that this game is much easier if you play a ranged attack build/weapon
freedom of positioning even on eris rail is very good for not dying
drowsy linden
thats why:
- you actually play the game and get good~~ instead of resetting 2000000 times for me~~
- long knuckle
- breaching cross
marsh merlin
long knuckle doesnt even help me that much
opaque fable
you played spear yet?
marsh merlin
like whenever i grabbed it i didnt really feel a difference
opaque fable
achilles is a pretty good 1 blood investment
marsh merlin
because i was always up close due to dash attacks anyway
drowsy linden
thats why:
1. you actually play the game and get good~~ instead of resetting 200...
and:
divine dash
marsh merlin
i had divine dash
drowsy linden
you can always dash sideways
i often just dash sideways, and the autoaim of dashstriking carries me
if not, dashstrike fists has a wide hitbox
marsh merlin
you played spear yet?
just trying it on skelly, im missing more than half of the dash attacks which i assume it relies on
i feel like my best chance is just trying to get over how bad sword feels or learning how to dodge with fists
stone rune
you can do basically anything in this game with basically any weapon or aspect
just practice
stone rune
rail is super easy
opaque fable
it takes a little getting used to
stone rune
get zeus attack and jolted and hold mouse1
marsh merlin
so thats out of the question
opaque fable
reloading is a bit awkward
stone rune
the game literally reloads for you
marsh merlin
literally what i died and i died in elysium
only time besides heroes i have died in elysium
stone rune
i feel like if we're dying in ely that just indicates u havent played much
play more then
get better overall
and you'll get better at rail
marsh merlin
even my first run to elysium EVER made it to heroes
i dont even like rail that much anyway
like ill play it its fine but i would rather play fists
opaque fable
fist aspects seem kinda mid
marsh merlin
but ik they suck
stone rune
demeter is decent
marsh merlin
and thats why i tried other things
stone rune
the other ones are utter garbage
opaque fable
what fist builds exist other than me
stone rune
zap
marsh merlin
if sword didnt feel so bad i would probably jst play sword
opaque fable
i guess high as low damage -> click zeus to blast people
marsh merlin
but it feels really bad to play
marsh merlin
i just dont like how clunky the dash strikes feel on sword
opaque fable
idk if it's diff on controller but you kinda just mash attack and dash and it genereally is fine
opaque fable
alright lets see if i can actually play zeus shield properly
i suck at throwing this thing
marsh merlin
stop trying to convince me to play a weapon I already know i dislike
ngk fists are probably the most fun weapon imo so its unfortunate that they suck
marsh merlin
thats kinda funny lol
opaque fable
ok the secret to making zeus work is clicking thunder flourish
🗿
high skill gameplay!!!
wow i need to take a break
burnt 2 dd on lernie
upper wolf
lernie tax
tardy aurora
what is the link to the heat strategy aka the excel sheet?
drowsy linden
tardy aurora
<#725021448426749993> pins
i cant find the link only the images
drowsy linden
literally the first one
tardy aurora
thx
marsh merlin
when will you be able to get the companion from meg
because i looked it up and i have done everything i should need to have done to be able to gift her the ambrosia
but i cant
latent moon
Rng dialogue moment
jagged hamlet
It took me until run 135 to unlock her favor!
marsh merlin
It took me until run 135 to unlock her favor!
i think im coming up on run 70 lol
anyway reading the guide in #h1-builds-and-combat really helped me
and i did dad phase 1 damageless with fists
(it probably helps that i got ME this run but still)
3 death defy and 275/275hp
and p2
theres no way i lose unless i literally throw
ez win
now that i actually know how to play fists well it was pretty easy lol
mint coral
Gaming
marsh merlin
it probably helps that i actually got the duo for once
but i was dodging attacks a lot better than i was before
drowsy linden
next you should do a non me run
marsh merlin
scary but i probably could do it
i mean theres lots of other builds i could play
i feel like im definitely gonna stick with fists though
this run gave me hope in the fists again lol
if only my phone wasnt broken then i could send my win ss
tender solstice
fml, i've done so many runs trying to get curse of drowning for my last duo boon but i didn't know that it wasn't compatible with aspect of hera 
i thought i was just incredibly incredibly unlucky
covert hare
Me when Hermes requires me to use a mirror upgrade I don’t like
upper wolf
which one ? Doesn't ring a bell 
opaque fable
do heroic boons not spawn for open slots
drowsy linden
if you have nectar/yarn, its just wasted(excluding the +10% for duos and legendaries)
for finding skelly's employer, i just have to have tooth equipped right?
drowsy linden
🎉
mint coral
enjoy the spagetthi shield
opaque fable
naegling's board cast is the attack after loading casts right
oh that's loading the cast
wow this hammer is 100% sturdy uptime not bad
mint coral
I hope charged shot wasn't on the offerings
mint coral
unyielding defense is funny but also you take hyper sprint from hermes so you are getting sturdy anyways
but already picked so whatever
just go straight for cshot if it appears
upper wolf
I mean, prophecies be prophecying
upper wolf
Idr if you need to take hidden aspect hammers though
mint coral
hidden hammers shouldn't count
drowsy linden
they dont
mint coral
is beo at the end of the day
drowsy linden
im doing a trippy rama run, hope it actually works
opaque fable
can i get a brief rundown of why beo special hammers are good
like what do i add here
mint coral
the only hammer beo has is unyielding
charged shot is on all shields
cshot basically makes beo become hera
and the attack can add up some dmg with crits + the attack buff from loading casts
also AoE
drowsy linden
on beo, you want:
cshot
ferocious guard
breaching rush(or whatever its called)
thats about it
opaque fable
... still confused, how does it become hera
mint coral
charged shot makes your bull rush a projectile
mint coral
(there was a meta with charged flight beo but that's already gone)
just take what budget mentioned
winter plaza
just take what budget mentioned
does heart rend work on beo?
not a huge fan of beo so i don't know much about it
latent moon
i mean it would work but if you're going for a duo go for mirage shot
mirage bug kinda good
100% instead of 30% goes hard
winter plaza
i was just curious is all
rustic vale
Heart rend works on beo the same way heart rend works on anything
latent moon
the main issue with heart rend is like
on beo at least
the base arty flare sucks
small as hell and relatively low crit rate
lemme check the pom scaling rq
winter plaza
not great if i recall correctly
latent moon
it looks like the same scaling as flood but lower base line
basically a rarity difference between damages
winter plaza
makes sense
latent moon
hunters flare kinda just sucks
winter plaza
i don't often use beo or shield in general so
latent moon
i took it as a replacement as the very last boon because i thought "basically same damage and crit rate, why not"
but the smaller radius actually hurt a lot
missed too many volleys
winter plaza
yeah i notice beo issue is the fact cast comes at the end of the rush
makes some cast hard to use
for me at least
given im not great
rustic vale
I mean a ton of beo flares just aren’t good
latent moon
yeah lmao
winter plaza
fair
latent moon
flood, passion, and trippy are the only good ones and trippy is a bit dubious lmao
latent moon
phalanx isn't bad but also not great either
trippy is strong
given you get more casts from chaos
pom scaling bug kinda funny
tepid light
pom scaling bug kinda funny
say what
stiff obsidian
double
stiff obsidian
i thought it just gives u +1 pom for evry pom
latent moon
so if it says "140 -> 160" it'll actually be 140 -> 180
that might be a different bug lmao
that sounds familiar
but that's not trippy flare pom scaling bug
tepid light
poms on trippy flare give double than what it says
huh
that explains why some of my runs with trippy flare beo have been hilarious
latent moon
sounds about right
tepid light
specifically that one ice wine run
the cast timing was awkward, but the damage was absolutely hilarious
marsh merlin
yall for smair should i just take the duo or take zeus leg now and hope the duo pops up again in styx
the only reason im not just taking smair is because smair builds seem like the ttype not to NEED to duo to be good
latent moon
yall for smair should i just take the duo or take zeus leg now and hope the duo ...
what's proccing the lightning and whatnot
is this just standard rail build?
marsh merlin
no its fists
rustic vale
What’s your call?
latent moon
or zap fists
marsh merlin
im using zeus atk, aphro special, athena dash, and also zeus call
stiff obsidian
smair
rustic vale
Hmm
marsh merlin
and i do have jolted stuff already bt im not sure if zeus leg counts for that
latent moon
smair over splitting?
stiff obsidian
splitting isnt as great as it sounds
rustic vale
Splitting kinda discount smair
marsh merlin
take smair then?
latent moon
yeah i was gonna say splitting would pretty much be discount smair
do you need either of them for the fated prophecy lmao
marsh merlin
if splitting is just discount smair just take smair then, right?
rustic vale
I would take smair, splitting is a nice bonus but smair really packs a huge punch
marsh merlin
i would need splitting but not smair, but also i only have one other leg so im not close anyway
marsh merlin
how much of a difference would be between smair and splitting
rustic vale
Plus you can still see smair
marsh merlin
yeah
rustic vale
how much of a difference would be between smair and splitting
Big damage vs not big damage
marsh merlin
well calls can still be good without smair duo right?
latent moon
yeah
marsh merlin
like im still getting the calls out regardless if i take splitting
latent moon
you still get iframes from hitting the button
and yeah splitting will also charge calls faster so you'll get budget smair
marsh merlin
and unless smair has bonuses it doesnt tell you all it does is passive call regen
latent moon
yeah it's just passive regen
marsh merlin
ill prob take splitting then
latent moon
splitting also makes your call deal more damage so that's neat
marsh merlin
and just make sure to watch my call meter a little more
so im still calling a decent amount
marsh merlin
ok heroes time
ok gg heroes done
NICE CHOOSING ZEUS LEGPAID OFF
i got smair at literally the last zeus boon i could get
so now i have zues leg and smair
stiff obsidian
you still get iframes from hitting the button
thats why i dont like smair actually
because you can only save up 1 panic button at a time
latent moon
true but you're also a heat player lmao
marsh merlin
165/305hp 3 death defy, lv 3 jolted boon plus smair and zeus leg
latent moon
multiple panic buttons kinda important for high heat
marsh merlin
im in a good position lol
latent moon
just dont get smacked and you're good 👍
marsh merlin
and the only difference this fight will have from 0 heat hades is dc1
other than that its just dont take 16 mins
latent moon
use smair only lmao
marsh merlin
because im doing 3 heat (for bounties) and its em1, td1, dc1
marsh merlin
use smair only lmao
i probably could lol
tepid light
ah yes, the true speedrun: finish the run before your device runs out of battery
marsh merlin
true
tepid light
get that 2% battery run
latent moon
i did that before actually lmao
i was playing on a friend's laptop and it died as soon as i exited the arena
latent moon
gamer
marsh merlin
smair better than ME real
latent moon
nah ME is so much stronger
marsh merlin
yeah i was just joking about how my previous fastest run was ME
and how i beat it by like 2 mins with smair
latent moon
fair but to put into perspective, ME and zap fists damage output is only equal if you have splitting and second wave
and other supporting boons like shoals and jolted
with good poms
unironically more high roll than ME lmao
marsh merlin
lol
latent moon
ME is so dumb
marsh merlin
tbf zap fists just winning is probably less highrolly than ME but matching ME damage output is highrolly
maybe not though
idk much about comparing builds
latent moon
tbf zap fists just winning is probably less highrolly than ME but matching ME da...
oh yeah definitely
marsh merlin
got the game on christmas dont have much experience with it yet lol
latent moon
maybe not though
1 legendary in a run is quite difficult lmao
because you need to see the same god 3 times minimum
and then hit the 10-12% chance of getting it offered
marsh merlin
flashbacks to the time in a ME run where i saw athena 5 times and didnt get her special
latent moon
might be because you didnt have a cast boon
marsh merlin
that was before i knew how boons worked and how by filling all cores but one you can really easily get a specific one
and i didnt cast
so i never grabbed a cast
latent moon
yeah happens lmao
marsh merlin
lol
anyway thats my last run for today for 2 reasons
one my switch is basically dead
two i need to sleep
its like midnight for me
so uhh gn chat
latent moon
lmao gn
stone rune
post about needing an eris build
comment: Why is nobody talking about hazard?
never change reddit
stiff obsidian
why is nobody talking about hazard
tepid light
Wait are you talking about the "why no one talks about the hazard bomb on the rail" thread
stone rune
that one was also insane
but im talking about “Why absolutely no one talks about Hazard Bomb? It is literally the only weapon that helped me get up to 20 heat with no effort at all, not even using the attack/cast, just Hazard Bomb all the way. It is one of the easiest playstyles in the game, you just press Q covering the entire floor and kill everyone. I searched when I picked the game things like "Hazard Bomb op?" etc to see if anyone else thinks this, but nothing, am I just dumb? I don't even think this is a situation when it depends on the player/playstyles etc, because you literally just press Q and dodge your own bomb.”
in response to a post entitled “eris rail tips”
ashen rapids
@olive mantle come come
olive mantle
<@731851505195548674> come come
I still havent discovered everything yet so I might see some spoilers on this channel
ashen rapids
I still havent discovered everything yet so I might see some spoilers on this ch...
ohh
then im not gonna tell u more than elysium
u said u die to that boss?
ashen rapids
what build u use most?
olive mantle
It was like luck + the boons
ashen rapids
and what weapon
olive mantle
and what weapon
Im trying to learn the build by myself but I know the ME build
So im going to try that when I can hop on
I usually just go with whatever is good for that run
olive mantle
i used hera on bow and aprodite,artemis and if possible athena
I wanna ask something. If a build is good then why not people just use only that build?
ashen rapids
I wanna ask something. If a build is good then why not people just use only that...
idk for some people its comfy for some not
like i dont really like to use some weapons
like its not comfortable for me to use
olive mantle
ohhh
ashen rapids
I wanna ask something. If a build is good then why not people just use only that...
everyone have different opinion on this question tho im not expert
olive mantle
I dont really like the Rail it is a bit hard to use
ashen rapids
yeah thats what i try to say
im gonna try to push my limits today
gonna see how it works
u like to use bow?
olive mantle
u like to use bow?
Not really but it's good when you get good buffs for the Special. The attack is hard to aim for me and takes time to charge
ashen rapids
Not really but it's good when you get good buffs for the Special. The attack is ...
my aim is not that great but 3 cast and hera aspect of the bow
with aprodite on cast
and artemis on attack
olive mantle
What does Hera aspect do?
ashen rapids
u click ur cast button before u use attack
its like u use cast on attack
when u attack u use cast together
combining them
olive mantle
Whats the boons for Aphrodite and Artemis?
ashen rapids
and artemis on attack
luck enought if u will have athena on dash it can be good build
ashen rapids
Whats the boons for Aphrodite and Artemis?
Cast of aphrodite and artemis's attack
i like this build i use it on hera bow
works good
olive mantle
my aim is not that great but 3 cast and hera aspect of the bow
Wait can you combine all 3 cast or just one?
ashen rapids
Wait can you combine all 3 cast or just one?
hmm? im confused
no
only one cast
u use cast button before u attack button
when u attack ur cast goes away with it
olive mantle
when u attack ur cast goes away with it
Does it get stuck in foes?
ashen rapids
Does it get stuck in foes?
it does
thats why u use internal soul from the mirror of night
gives u +2 cast
olive mantle
thats why u use internal soul from the mirror of night
I dont get it, if you just combine the cast with the attack then whats wrong with using them separately?
ashen rapids
I dont get it, if you just combine the cast with the attack then whats wrong wit...
well this is the aspect of hera u use the weapon that way
and this is a build i like on it
u can use what u like tho
stiff obsidian
I dont get it, if you just combine the cast with the attack then whats wrong wit...
its instant and you can load all 3 at once
olive mantle
oh sara said one cast
ashen rapids
one cast?
olive mantle
only one cast
yea here
ashen rapids
Oh sorry my english not that good
olive mantle
oh ok
ashen rapids
u can use 3 of the cast
olive mantle
oh thats good then
olive mantle
its all good
olive mantle
its instant and you can load all 3 at once
You can load all 3 instantly?
stiff obsidian
however fast you can hit the cast button
olive mantle
o
autumn root
do I need to beat the game with 1 heat so I can go to 2 heat without getting too hot?
olive mantle
do I need to beat the game with 1 heat so I can go to 2 heat without getting too...
What does too hot do?
ashen rapids
What does too hot do?
u gonna get spoiled teppie
olive mantle
Well I have the heat system unlocked
ashen rapids
do I need to beat the game with 1 heat so I can go to 2 heat without getting too...
dunno but i remember u have to beat 1 heat to get heat 2's bounties
autumn root
okok thx
ashen rapids
well wish me luck im going 32 heat
olive mantle
Good luck :)
ashen rapids
thank u <33
stone rune
you’ll be fine if you follow the guide
autumn root
good luck
autumn root
you’ll be fine if you follow the guide
what guide?
stone rune
winter plaza
pretty good guide tbh
very in depth and explains quite well why you should choose those options
also addresses generalizations and outliers
10/10
autumn root
thats really unfortunate
lavish sorrel
32 heat is hard for me lol
multiple possibilities:
- your pact is bad
- you play an off-meta weapon, which by itself makes the task about twice as difficult
- not good enough
take your pick :]
lavish sorrel
(the last one should not be considered as possibility, as soon as you've played more than about 100 hours)
ashen rapids
101 hours on the game
void vigil
32 heat takes a lot of practice and choosing the right pacts. I have 600 hours and I definitely can’t do it again
lavish sorrel
32 heat takes a lot of practice and choosing the right pacts. I have 600 hours a...
oh, you definitely could.
void vigil
If you did like 5 runs and couldn’t manage it it doesn’t mean you’re bad at the game, it just takes time to learn it
ashen rapids
basically did 4 runs still trying comfy ways to beat it lol
i will find it eventually
tardy aurora
is it me or is hammer garunteed at start of elysium?
void vigil
Good luck!
ashen rapids
thanks!
lavish sorrel
basically did 4 runs still trying comfy ways to beat it lol
yeah okay no, that's not you being bad. just lack of perseverance
ashen rapids
That?
void vigil
also I wanted to say that when someone is struggling with the game, saying that it’s an opinion that they’re just bad seems rude to me
lavish sorrel
what is perseverance?
having the patience and confidence to continue on despite failure
ashen rapids
oh
its okay tho i keep trying
i was on 8 heat 2 days ago
tried 18 2-3 times then beat it
i know i will beat 32 if i keep trying
lavish sorrel
gl
ashen rapids
also I wanted to say that when someone is struggling with the game, saying that ...
it's okay sometimes it is truth
tardy aurora
long knuckle and collosal knuckle are the perfect hammer upgrade combo
swift juniper
You can also cheese your way through your first 32 heat clear to gain confidence
With zag fists and the plume build or 5 missiles hammer combo with the rail
lavish sorrel
also I wanted to say that when someone is struggling with the game, saying that ...
I still call myself bad on a regular basis despite being told repeatedly by other speedrunners I am probably one of the 50 best players there are, I do think that at some amount of playtime "I'm bad" just becomes a synonym to describe not reaching a standard to which one holds themself, thereby making it an opinion.
And I'd place the limit where this starts to be true at around 100 hours, as that is (according to Steam) puts the player doubting themself firmly in the top quarter of all people who own the game. (hell, two thirds of players haven't maxed any aspects).
upper wolf
... do you even have a steam account ? Having a backlog the size of the world is standard
swift juniper
They get their first clear and maybe play a couple more runs but that's it
swift juniper
For a lot of players beating hades is the main goal
stiff obsidian
... do you even have a steam account ? Having a backlog the size of the world is...
i try not to get a new game until i finish the previous one completely
upper wolf
you're insane
stiff obsidian
tbf i dont play that many games lol
upper wolf
/j
stiff obsidian
For a lot of players beating hades is the main goal
thats fair, i have a friend who considers finishing hades as getting the first clear
lavish sorrel
so, my point stands, 7.6% of players ever get the second skelly statue
swift juniper
I mean, the rest is postgame, but the postgame is where the game begins in Hades
lavish sorrel
if you've done that you're in the top 92nd percentile
tardy aurora
I mean, the rest is postgame, but the postgame is where the game begins in Hades
agreed, epilogue is what i consuder beating it
lavish sorrel
(a quarter of players get the regular ending)
ashen rapids
so, my point stands, 7.6% of players ever get the second skelly statue
it is not hard to get tho
from my perspective
im not really a rpg gamer but played hollow knight
lavish sorrel
it is not hard to get tho
you having beaten 16 heat still by definition makes you a top 8% player
ashen rapids
18*
lavish sorrel
great, even more impressive
swift juniper
you having beaten 16 heat still by definition makes you a top 8% player
What's the stat for 32 heat?
lavish sorrel
What's the stat for 32 heat?
there is no 32 heat achievement
ashen rapids
probably even less than 8%?
lavish sorrel
so idk
swift juniper
Rip
ashen rapids
yeah there is no 32 achievement
tardy aurora
you having beaten 16 heat still by definition makes you a top 8% player
whats 11 heat player percentile
swift juniper
Isnt it 2 people?
lavish sorrel
even 64 heat beaten by 1 person
2
ashen rapids
2 now?
lavish sorrel
bai too (chinese player)
ashen rapids
who is the other person beside jade
lavish sorrel
not just angel
lavish sorrel
whats 11 heat player percentile
(8 heat achivement should give you a vague idea)
tardy aurora
dang frl? for a critically acclaimed game not many peole in comparison play it through all that much
stiff obsidian
most % in a lot of things is skewed by people creating accounts/buying games and not playing so they arent a good standard to go off of
or id be a top 1% chess player
ashen rapids
my friends have hades too
lavish sorrel
most % in a lot of things is skewed by people creating accounts/buying games and...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142115080809488464/1190270282917748856/image.png?ex=65a13095&is=658ebb95&hm=d77b45935460386efe5685717ac39bfc2f5acc9682ef585cb0eba146595ac77e&
you can discount 20% of the playerbase at most
ashen rapids
but they told me they dont like just keep dying and repeating again
so they left after playing 2-3 hours
they have 4 or 7 hours in the game
most of them have 30-35
they just leave the game like that
tardy aurora
most of them have 30-35
amateurs, i got 75 hours and im only gone to heat 12
i still got acheivements because its a game meant to be done over and over for story
ashen rapids
i beat last boss on my 30 hr then after that everything went smoothly
tardy aurora
and upgrading yourself and coming back stronger each time
lavish sorrel
and upgrading yourself and coming back stronger each time
(does not apply to first-run Fresh File 
)
stiff obsidian
took me 87 attempts for my first clear
lavish sorrel
hold up let me check for me
ashen rapids
lavish sorrel
hold up let me check for me
1879 runs to mash the left mouse button through, we might be here for a while
tardy aurora
(does not apply to first-run Fresh File <:bouldy:673973170792955936>)
honestly hades is fun all around, your playstyle is only encouraged by your choice weapon
ashen rapids
i like the game tho addicted to it
lavish sorrel
1879 runs to mash the left mouse button through, we might be here for a while <:...
WHY DID NO-ONE TELL ME YOU CAN JUST HOLD lmb TO GO THROUGH THE RUN HISTORY QUICKER
aaaaa
tardy aurora
WHY DID NO-ONE TELL ME YOU CAN JUST HOLD lmb TO GO THROUGH THE RUN HISTORY QUICK...
lol!
lavish sorrel
run history tells me run 33 was my first win
tardy aurora
ill check mine in a min
lavish sorrel
with Hyper Delivery 
and athena dash, and good chaos boons
no wonder I won, jeez that's stacked
despite Talos
tardy aurora
athena dash is my priority dash
lavish sorrel
gamn
stiff obsidian
run history tells me run 33 was my first win <:dusa:672829221714001947>
nice
upper wolf
undeniable proof that chiron is top 1 aspect
stiff obsidian
im just super slow
lavish sorrel
~~undeniable proof that chiron is top 1 aspect~~
my disappointment is immeasurable
stiff obsidian
yes, i know
tardy aurora
why cant i enable steam overlay?
lavish sorrel
does Shift + Tab not work?
tardy aurora
no for some reason
lavish sorrel
tardy aurora
lemme verify
tardy aurora
Hades: general -> Enable the Steam Overlay while in-game
its greyed out and wont let me enable it
lavish sorrel
lavish sorrel
post it somewhere else then link the file over here
tardy aurora
uh 1 problem, how i do thaty
lavish sorrel
if on pc, right click the image after sending it an press "copy link"
lavish sorrel
this pack of punishment man
which one are you using?
ashen rapids
i pushed timer to max
i made a little mistake on the way so
took my time more than usual
thats why
lavish sorrel
you'll get used ot it, tight deadline's not terrible until you climb very high up in heats
I'm talking 40+
lavish sorrel
im so bad man i cant even go that far
the game never expects the player to climb that high
ashen rapids
i know
lavish sorrel
that should tell you how unreasonable things you're expecting of yourself rn
tardy aurora
nest sword aspect minus hidden?
lavish sorrel
nest sword aspect minus hidden?
nemesis