charged explupper with arty crits is a lot of damage tho
#h1-discussion
latent moon
formal orbit
Yeah, fist em4 sound like pain, the level of execution is nutty
latent moon
you'll either build for ME or zap fists, zap fists is safer but ME is bigger damage
lucid pulsar
I was thinking about Gilgamesh
latent moon
that's not great lmao
gilga isn't a safe aspect
and is probably the aspect that struggles with em4 the most
shorter dashes and weird dash strikes
also maim chunks your own health if you're not careful
latent moon
merciful end or zap fists
ME is ares attack, athena special, get the duo, get athena dash, get impending doom, then win
zap fists is zeus attack, some aphrodite core somewhere that isn't her call, zeus or dio call, then smoldering air
and get static discharge asap
formal orbit
Ngl, I kinda want to do it now
My blursed achilles run make me question the game deeply
latent moon
free
formal orbit
End up selling lightning strike and aspho was such a slog
formal orbit
Yeah, arty strike was such a game changer and dad fight was way too easy
Just face tank with patty and acorn
latent moon
based
obsidian linden
hello
there is people activ rn or not
because i've a anoying seed who start whit deadalus but refuse to cooperate by giving me common everything after
as people have any idea of fun run before i throw it away ?
stone rune
there is people activ rn or not
i mean yea
obsidian linden
so, do i burn the seed ?
stone rune
idk man
common everything isn’t a big deal
if it’s not fun and you want to reset then sure
latent moon
common boons aren't that big of a deal tbh
it's only pain when it's ares atk/special
aphrodite is still fine when common just sad but still good
stiff obsidian
Aphro atk 
echo lily
What mirror of night for beowulf
latent moon
What mirror of night for beowulf
this mirror
if you want, you can change high confidence to thick skin
latent moon
depends
mirage shot is bugged on flares to do 100% damage instead of 30%
so it's better to start flood flare and build into mirage shot
latent moon
that too
i mean tbf it's still really good damage you just have to be more mindful of things
echo lily
Ok so posideon cast
latent moon
yeah
latent moon
just copy the build in the screenshot tbh
echo lily
Ok
stone rune
but at least it’s not phalanx
latent moon
the only thing that's not necessary in the screenshot build is the +hp chaos and ravenous will lmao
rav will still good but not necessary
stiff obsidian
Boonless beowolf
latent moon
boonless beo is funny
i haven't tried to do boonless beo at 40 in a while
this was the best i could do
heroes and dad fight took way too long without mirage shot
those two fights were the reason i gave up on boonless beo 40
stiff obsidian
Nice
For some reason I always associate boonless with mirror less
Probably because my only boonles was mirrorles
raw herald
I feel like it would be better to lean hard into snurst and fds scaling
Why bother with mirage shot at all
humble willow
I love posideons boons but im only now learning they're quite bad.
I do better whenever i get them and actively enjoy using them. Personally he's S teir boons along with Athena, Ares and Zeus
upper wolf
is it BiS outside of opening Mirror Shot ?
Like if you already have MS, would you accept exchanging flood flare for, say, athena or something ?
mint coral
Smaller AoE
Dmg may be similar idk phalanx numbers
Aphro exchanges are a thing but you do notie it on styx
Flood goes through small walls wih ease
Passion not so much
And also possible tiny flare to make it worse
turbid widget
doesn't poseidon also have second highest special percentage?
stone rune
and knockback which is annoying af
turbid widget
Could it work with guan yu?
stone rune
guan yu special doesnt scale very well period
you'd need chaos or rd or something
just like hestia
turbid widget
i see, currently i just pray to get charged skewer if i'm running it
lucid pulsar
for extreme measures 4 hades ( zag fists ) what keepsake should i use for hades
stone rune
acorn
lucid pulsar
is it better than skelly tooth?
latent moon
Skelly tooth is better if you have like a ton of damage reduction
Actually I doubt that
Acorn is still better lmao
mint coral
Just don't get sneak/B.balls
lucid pulsar
i am doing the biuld u toll me yesterday
latent moon
Yeah lmao
agile basin
Skely is +50 health right?
Tecnicaly +(overkilodmg) but that prob doesnt matter
lucid pulsar
aka mercifull end
latent moon
Oh festive
latent moon
Skely is +50 health right?
Tecnicaly +(overkilodmg) but that prob doesnt matter
100
But like
Dad can deal more than 180 damage in 5 hits I think
lucid pulsar
extreme measures theseous is easier than the regular fight change my mind
upper wolf
it's a pretty common opinion that it's easier I feel
latent moon
I mean normal heroes fight is pretty easy frankly
At least for me
So em3 is just gonna be harder by extension, not because the fight is easier
Bull beyblade is annoying
lucid pulsar
zag aspect?
latent moon
That's less dps and hoping you get the 15% chance to dodge lol
lucid pulsar
than what aspect
lucid pulsar
i gotta do fists
latent moon
Then Dem fists
wary iron
Yeah
lucid pulsar
me when no vc
latent moon
Zap fists is safer since you can save your dashes for iframes instead of damage if you want
drowsy linden
So em3 is just gonna be harder by extension, not because the fight is easier
the main argument is that people just hate theseus and he practically does nothing in em3, as well as making phase 1 on him go by a lot quick for most aspects and builds
latent moon
Yeah I figured lmao
Once you figure out how to deal with Theseus then the fight isn't so bad
drowsy linden
i havent fought theseus phase 2 in a long time
everytime i kill him during the god summon
north yoke
when will the vinyl record go back into stock
ember hinge
wait the what
ive beat hades with every weapon at least one time - the shield and gun are one win each iirc
ima try beating the game with each at least 5 times and then move to individual aspects
drowsy linden
my first clear was with fists, of which i had 2 attempts(including win) on
formal orbit
Aside zag fist, i forgot other zag aspect exist
My first zag bow clear was 40 heat for that reason
And damn it was great
drowsy linden
got 2 epic chaos specials in tart
ember hinge
my first clear was with fists, of which i had 2 attempts(including win) on
mine was with shield but thats cuz i never tried other weapons since getting it from then
then i was fixated on talos fists
drowsy linden
got 2 epic chaos specials in tart<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
if i throw this run i will cry
ember hinge
then i was fixated on talos fists
cleared it 17 times with it 😭
ember hinge
if i throw this run i will cry
you better not dawgg whats the heat guage
gauge
gague
cant spell
guage
drowsy linden
you better not dawgg whats the heat guage
40
drowsy linden
basically instaphased meg with zeus shield
ember hinge
also i was like flabbergasted when i found out that malphon hidden was gilgamesh
im iraqi and its like once per month i see something remotely iraqi so gilgamesh was insane for me to see
drowsy linden
should i take +45% special but -3 health on special chaos
already have +205% from chaos
other options are health(enshrouded, 36) and dashstrike(abyssal, 110%)
stone rune
should i take +45% special but -3 health on special chaos<:bouldy:52332911693463...
take dash strike
it applies to dash upper as well
drowsy linden
this is zeus shield
drowsy linden
frick i died to gorgon stun
formal orbit
Talos with lout is so funny, they keep whooshing behind me
drowsy linden
frick i died to gorgon stun
why tf do they do like 30 damage and whatever damage from other enemies
i should really tooth asph
formal orbit
Funny how tooth aspho is kinda like that gaussian distribution meme
You took tooth aspho when you’re bad then stop taking it
Then take it again for ri4
ember hinge
i should really tooth asph<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i like your funny words magic man
drowsy linden
drowsy linden
free heat
ember hinge
real
middle management too
"to shake up the old bag of hammers if you know what i mean"
humble willow
Finally beat Hades on attempt number 33 😭
I got a hammer that reduced my hp by 60% but healed me 2hp every time i hit my m1 attack and it essentially carried me.
turbid widget
Finally beat Hades on attempt number 33 😭
I got a hammer that reduced my hp by...
GJ
chilly slate
Abused the hell out of Aphrodite aid and smoldering air… Theseus and asterius just beat each other to death
I’m a homewrecker
tepid light
I suppose that is a pretty good way to get use out of aphrodite aid with smoldering air
last veldt
I wonder if it's possible to only use charm in that fight and win.
You'd have to get them to kill each other at exactly the same time, which seems tricky.
ember hinge
I wonder if it's possible to only use charm in that fight and win.
i mean technically theres no way to inflict charm without damaging but i think it would be super difficult and if they dont miraculously kill each other at the same time then its a no
latent moon
i'm pretty sure aphrodite small calls dont deal damage
but also charm duration on bosses is super short so you'd have to have a lot of poms onto the call for it to be meaningful
ember hinge
ohh ok
tepid light
Yeah aphrodite non-greater call does no damage
And aphrodite aid is easily the worst aid to have if you get smoldering air for that reason
stone rune
And aphrodite aid is easily the worst aid to have if you get smoldering air for ...
it still has uses
id prefer aph call with smair to like ares or dem
you still get call iframes
and charm can be nice
tepid light
id prefer aph call with smair to like ares or dem
yeah, that's fair
ares or demeter call with smoldering air would be pitifully short
i've mentioned my aversion to smoldering air before so i'm admittedly biased
formal orbit
quick favor and clouded judgement is more versatile and work nearly as well as smair
tepid light
ofc usually there's much better hermes boons to take than quick favor
clouded judgement is nice though
latent moon
earring gaming
formal orbit
just clear all the pot and dad stop healing early
stone rune
is this the fabled heat brainrot
formal orbit
not as bad as beo brainrot
tepid light
that's uhh
yeah that's indeed pretty cheesy
i'd still rather have greater aphrodite call
latent moon
aph smair sucks if you want damage lmao
tepid light
But i see the strat yes
latent moon
i mean at that high heats you dont really get a say in what you get
you just take whatever
i mean some do
depends on player skill
and room rng ofc
tepid light
I just like seeing a heart of death fly across the screen and hit dad in the face for a big chunk
latent moon
i'm sure at least 90% of the player base would time out in 40 heat 5 sack styx at dad lmao
that's not really a choice you get to make for the majority of the player base
stiff obsidian
Don't be 90% of the playerbase
tepid light
"just have good rng"
stiff obsidian
latent moon
lmao git gud
tepid light
ayyyy
latent moon
true
stiff obsidian
All the real gamers die to lernie
tepid light
tbh there are a lot of people in games like hades who unironically act like you can just "get" the best outcome/build whenever you want
latent moon
tbh there are a lot of people in games like hades who unironically act like you ...
unironically reddit with chiron
tepid light
~~unironically reddit with chiron~~
cough cough darkest dungeon
latent moon
pretty high yeah 2 sack is 52% already afaik
tbf most of them aren't doing like speed or high heat with chiron
so like it's whatever lmao
let them have their fun
stone rune
you know it’s kinda weird there are so few unmodded sub530s
i feel like there should be at least 10
i did
latent moon
i feel like there should be at least 10
no one really tries for that lmao most are happy with unmodded sub6
they already hate unmodded
just grab the sub6 and go
stone rune
but there have been at least a few people who kinda went for sub5
you need to git gud
zeus is good for time
it’s just
get the boons
and cshot
zeus can probably consistently sub10 40
latent moon
but there have been at least a few people who kinda went for sub5
i mean fair but also the reset points for sub5 is a lot more strict than like 5:30
and also like i dont think people care about getting 5:30, i think most people would rather get sub6 and be fine with it
stone rune
i mean fair but also the reset points for sub5 is a lot more strict than like 5:...
yeah i have the honor of having the least notable unmodded sub530 
all the other ones are like
this one was rama
this one had barge and funny green boon
this one was hera
or hestia
and the other one was actually fast
i do have the only unmodded sub530 with a 5 minute pause at the start though
latent moon
i mean sub530 is pretty insane lmao
stone rune
so that’s something
latent moon
you're #6 in the world right
stone rune
5 if you don’t count caml twice
latent moon
oh true
stone rune
just luck
latent moon
yeah you're big gamer
stone rune
it only took like 4 hours of play over like 3 days
latent moon
unmodded 64 took less than an hour
latent moon
but technically speaking jazz is right in the sense that the sub530 doesn't have a "how tf did you get sub530 with that" lmao
well actually
no rd
stone rune
i also have the only unmodded sub530 to have playboi carti in the background
latent moon
ocaml didn't get hermes actually did he
stone rune
ocaml didn't get hermes actually did he
yeah hermesless
stone rune
rav will was a critical part of my build lol
stone rune
and also lvl10 epic flare
latent moon
oh yeah probably
stone rune
that is not half a minute
latent moon
jazz did have epic dashes tho
so like it kinda made up for no hyper sprint
you dont get ichor and rd scaling
but like it's something lmao
latent moon
true
latent moon
tbf every run can be improved on
so like don't beat yourself up too much about it lmao
when people ask about your run they don't wanna know how it could've been better they wanna know the skips and build and whatever lmao
stone rune
it also could have been better if i didn’t play like i was 5 🗿
stone rune
by 1 pretty fake metric
stone rune
which are also both pretty fake
latent moon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1136150091040817172/IMG_9013.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1136150091334430791/IMG_9014.png
the second one is more relevant than the first one but you get the point
none of your accoplishments are "fake"
you worked your ass off for them by having a full time job playing hades
you put in the hours and practice, your achievements aren't "fake"
stone rune
idk i’ve never been happy with my level of play
i’ll be satisfied when the major mistakes go away
latent moon
it's fine to look at your runs and see what you can improve
what's not fine is talking crap about your runs and yourself
saying your achievements are "fake" and that you "played like you were 5"
stone rune
if u look at those aspho chambers you’ll see what i mean
latent moon
no one would bat an eye if you said "i made a lot of mistakes, it could've been faster"
it's fine that you weren't happy with how you played
stone rune
i have no handle on situations where i am inside of a group
stone rune
ok
latent moon
calling yourself bad and "fake" and whatever quite literally demeans nearly everyone else
stone rune
i mean there are plenty of people who numerically have worse best times than me but are still way better
latent moon
literally have multiple wrs and top 5 runner on the leaderboard, probably at least top 15 runnerin the world
latent moon
i mean there are plenty of people who numerically have worse best times than me ...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1136150091040817172/IMG_9013.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1136150091334430791/IMG_9014.png
it's easy to critique yourself
the hard part is knowing you can improve and then making efforts to improve
and recognzing that what you did is still a massive feat hardly anyone else can do
or will even want to do
jagged hamlet
Y'know what? I'ma declare myself betterer than jazz!
stiff obsidian
Same
tepid light
Same
latent moon
same
devout terrace
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1136150091040817172/...
real
raw herald
you know it’s kinda weird there are so few unmodded sub530s
A coin flip in another universe and I would have one
rose roost
Impostor syndrome sucks
upbeat lodge
I JSUT FOIRST TRIED EM4
upbeat lodge
i won
upbeat lodge
i lost 3 dd's, was on liek 40 hop, and only got tehre because i had a veryt bueat build
but i won
formal orbit
Em4 is fun when you have a great build
tepid light
imo it's fun in general but it's certainly not for everyone
rose roost
dio beo moment
grizzled current
First time playing in a couple months, made it to Hades on 14 heat with 50 hp and no DD
Absolute garbage boons too
drowsy linden
im now ranking up with director instead of getting 4th persuasion
delta warden already
turbid widget
im now ranking up with director instead of getting 4th persuasion<:bouldy:523329...
You haven't maxed. the mirror?
drowsy linden
nope
missing:
death defiance
favor
authority
dark regen
gold touch
final persuasion level
turbid widget
I kinda wish they mader the meta leveling faster so you could climb heat quicker
Damn you've exlusively been running stubborn?
drowsy linden
aside from that, i pretty much never use it because lc4
turbid widget
never use what
drowsy linden
dd
turbid widget
what pacts for 32?
drowsy linden
maxed cf, em3, fo1, dc0/2, td2, js0/1/3, lc4, uc, mm, hs0/1, hl2-5
stone rune
if u want easy 32s after you’re used to it just do like hl5 lc4 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 td3
that might be 36
but it’s free either way
don’t need to deal with anything annoying
turbid widget
td3 I feel would be tough for me
stone rune
td3 is free once you get the hang of it
turbid widget
and fo2
drowsy linden
i hate furies and blue lernie, thats why i go low on hl
turbid widget
Lernie has different colors??
turbid widget
where is the color coding
drowsy linden
blue=slam
purple=wave
orange=homing
green=egg
turbid widget
But what part of her is colored different?
turbid widget
Never noticed it, will look out for it next run
drowsy linden
But what part of her is colored different?
the head primarily
stone rune
the main head and the side heads are always different colors
which means pink main head is the best
drowsy linden
lernie has 3 colors:
1 main head, 2 side heads
turbid widget
Just watched a video, and wow, how did I never notice that
drowsy linden
make everything so much slower
my reasoning is:
ddash
its not blue
turbid widget
Pink side heads will just spit out waves all over, right?
stone rune
3 stones with 2stone
drowsy linden
yep
stone rune
Pink side heads will just spit out waves all over, right?
they group really poorly though
turbid widget
yeh, that sucks unless you have divine dash
stone rune
all other heads go directly at you when they spawn
but pink stay back
so you can’t really hit 2 pink heads at once
turbid widget
all other heads go directly at you when they spawn
are you vetb8 on reddit?
stone rune
yea
drowsy linden
1/number of boons from god(excluding duo/legendaries)^3, assumming you couldnt get any duos/legendaries
undone tundra
they were even in the same order.
drowsy linden
same rarity?
undone tundra
nawh
topaz sail
THREE TIMES IN A ROW.
Try to build merciful end and it happens incredibly often 
formal orbit
I think reddit mod lock my post for showing em4 and beowulf in the title
Rookie poster mistake
turbid widget
Why is foresight better than favor
rose roost
more poms and early hammer is better than rarity
drowsy linden
and more boons for more consistency/money
drowsy linden
eris is so fun, outside of the fact that i literally cannot see anything
brisk trail
does anyone have the Artemis steam card for Hades?
drowsy linden
does hyper sprint rush delivery work on beo
stone rune
yes
drowsy linden
how tight
stone rune
it is free to proc
rose roost
do the fake casts from Mirage get cast bonuses?
rose roost
wait so the fake casts dmg depends on cast dmg before bonuses or after?
stiff obsidian
The fake casts are just extra casts
rose roost
ic bcuz of it was after it would double dip
drowsy linden
which gods for flood mirage beo
stiff obsidian
U answered ur question
rose roost
Demeter, Dio good support
Zeus doesn't really have anything, and athena and Ares are kinda there
ig dd is good
stone rune
dem > dio > athena >>>> aph > ares >>>>>>>>>>>> zeus
stiff obsidian
Why not zeus
stiff obsidian
Ares 
drowsy linden
dem > dio > athena >>>> aph > ares >>>>>>>>>>>> zeus
urge to krill when
formal orbit
blood frenzy = budget high confident
stiff obsidian
Call + billowing strength goes hard though
stone rune
Call + billowing strength goes hard though
sure, if you see zeus in styx
turbid widget
serrated point on achilles is pretty lit
brisk trail
who plays on pc?
last veldt
PS4 for me, but I'm a weirdo like that.
latent moon
i think majority play on pc but there's still a lot of people who play on switch/ps/xbox
brisk trail
i need a steam card
brisk trail
@latent moon do you play through Steam?
jagged hamlet
I have the card, but I won't be at my computer until tomorrow
latent moon
i do but why
steam card?
i dont have one of those
i also dont even know what that is
rose roost
that is so weird pinging random people for a steam card lol
tepid light
A quick look informs me that Hades steam cards are no more valuable than other cards
So I'm not sure what the goal is here
brisk trail
I have the card, but I won't be at my computer until tomorrow
Artemis?
tepid light
I have Artemis as well
brisk trail
I have Artemis as well
I need it
brisk trail
May I ask why
do you need it?
tepid light
I'm sure satisfying my curiosity is a small price to pay for this card, given how eager you seem to be to get it
brisk trail
i just need it so i can trade my cards in for a steam badge
my steam's in my profile
brisk trail
@tepid light still there?
tepid light
Sure, sent you a steam FR
brisk trail
Sure, sent you a steam FR
i sent the trade request
tepid light
My steam says the trade'll be held for 15 days due to mobile authenticator stuff
Not sure if that's acceptable for you or not
brisk trail
My steam says the trade'll be held for 15 days due to mobile authenticator stuff
have you had it for 7 days?
tepid light
One sec
Yeah mobile authenticator's difficult for me to work with due to my present situation
The 15 day hold is the only way I'd be able to do this
brisk trail
fine
tepid light
Trade offer sent
latent moon
the sneak just took 7 cycles to teleport behind me
why were you waiting for it to be behind you
are you playing like rama
stone rune
no hammer beo
latent moon
ah
kill it with special lmao
can't you still hit it even if it doesn't teleport behind you tho
it has to be like relatively close but like it's doable isnt it
at least the dragon rush is hittable but not the cast
stone rune
you can but it’s annoying
brisk trail
can someone give me a steam card for Hades?
dusky basalt
hey how do i get the ture ending|| the one where you invite all the olympians||
tepid light
hey how do i get the ture ending|| the one where you invite all the olympians||
just keep playing, you have to meet all the olympians again via boons
dusky basalt
just keep playing, you have to meet all the olympians again via boons
because i have the prophasy so how do i trigger it
tepid light
because i have the prophasy so how do i trigger it
have you met all the olympians?
dusky basalt
have you met all the olympians?
yee
tepid light
this might also be a better discussion for #h1-story-discussion , just to avoid spoilers
dusky basalt
ok ill ask the qustion there
mint coral
Dem aid with Theseus is always a pain
drowsy linden
dem trial: easy
dem heroes: impossible
jagged hamlet
can someone give me a steam card for Hades?
Didn't Asian take care of you?
rose roost
nemesis, achilles, zeus/hidden, hera/hidden, demeter, eris/hestia/hidden
wary iron
Zag fists?
undone tundra
zag fists yucky imo
rose roost
u can make it work but dem will be better if you consider special
rose roost
hera
undone tundra
alrdy running hera for bow, got hidden as well
gotta unlock beo still
zeus it is thenn
sounds wacky
rose roost
it is
wary iron
Zeus shield with Zeus special and jolted
jagged hamlet
what aspects are good without being maxed
There's a little chart pinned in #h1-for-new-players that may help you
undone tundra
There's a little chart pinned in <#725021347968712724> that may help you
fair, ty
undone tundra
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/1169619348701...
sub 20 on 64 heat, im scared
wary iron
Isn’t all 64 heat sub 20?
mint coral
I mean you could go a bit overtime assuming you have the hp
drowsy linden
damn clockets are strong
got hyper delivery(common) as well
if only arty offered a replacement and i got heart rend
drowsy linden
kinda hard to get all five on hyper delivery though
im only getting 3 most of the time
undone tundra
just hug and nuke :P
wait what
til: getting hit by a trap while fishing makes the timer run again
even tho youre still fishing.
drowsy linden
undone tundra
drowsy linden
if you want to evade the bot, use "blood and darkness" or "fair"
undone tundra
fair doesnt really sound like a good equivalent to what i meant to say
anyway, terrible hammers and i have no clue which is the least bad
(cruel thrust, hoarding slash, flurry slash)
undone tundra
ok thank s
biggest issue is that im running nemesis so none of these really do anything to me
drowsy linden
my pc just died the moment i left the wiki page
its now taking 10 to 20 seconds to send a message
undone tundra
💀
drowsy linden
biggest issue is that im running nemesis so none of these really do anything to ...
hoarding still does something
now my pc is revivaled
undone tundra
barely but yeaeh
latent moon
(cruel thrust, hoarding slash, flurry slash)
cruel thrust does nothing, flurry slash is actively harmful
so just take hoarding slash
sword hammers just suck in general
there's only like 1 good hammer
stone rune
peaver is also pretty good
latent moon
with hoarding, it's still kinda a nothing hammer
but like it's technically gonna do more than cruel thrust lmao
unless you like
do standing strikes and get the thrust attack on an enemy as soon as it spawns
latent moon
peaver is also pretty good
i mean yeah but compare that to dedge lol
stone rune
im pretty sure for unmodded sword you can keep peaver first hammer
undone tundra
cruel thrust does nothing, flurry slash is actively harmful
so, flurry is like heavy knuckles?
latent moon
in the actively harmful sense i guess but it's different lmao
undone tundra
tldr dont take :p
latent moon
some hammers are just actively harmful and shouldnt be taken in any circumstance lmao
unless you're like
retrash
latent moon
tldr dont take :p
not to be confused with flurry jab on spear, where you do want to take it lmao
undone tundra
(world splitter, breaching, shadow)
stone rune
undone tundra
breaching sounds the most reasonable given im in elysium
stone rune
fruitful few days for me
latent moon
gamer
undone tundra
woag.
latent moon
breaching sounds the most reasonable given im in elysium
breaching is good yeah
breaching is the 2nd/3rd best hammer on sword
undone tundra
world splitter sounds
latent moon
piercing wave is pretty good
undone tundra
really bad
jagged hamlet
I feel like World Splitter would be a lot better if hit a slightly wider area
drowsy linden
just threw a godly 40 zeus run because i thought i still had sd
also, is it just me or is the popper perk literally only appearing in ely
ive seen it a grand total of 1 time outside of there, this run got 3-4 in a row
weary yew
did someone beat max heat yet
whole ingot
I’m confused
So why iOS only???
latent moon
Mobile hades sounds so cursed and fun lmao
wary iron
I’m just waiting for a 7yo kid at school playing it, and breaking the wr
latent moon
Imagine getting your phone taken away while on wr pace
wary iron
Imagine your Netflix subscription runs out while on wr pace…
latent moon
Lmfao
wary iron
Apparently you can also play it on an iPod
wary iron
Well you can connect a controller
untold crown
true. i still hate apple tho
lucid pulsar
How can I get image permissions
narrow hemlock
no such thing as image perms in this server, we just have direct image uploads disabled in all but a few specific channels. embeds work, but spamming too many links in rapid succession will tip the bot to muting you
mental mirage
Is this game dieing bruh
drowsy linden
Is this game dieing bruh
youre the one thats dying
latent moon
Is this game dieing bruh
where'd you even get that idea from lmao
mental mirage
where'd you even get that idea from lmao
The game isn’t as popular anymore
sour fog
it's a singleplayer game, how can it die
mental mirage
And hades is kinda expensive
latent moon
i mean just because it's not at or near it's peak doesn't mean it's dying
a lot of games are like that
mental mirage
Compared to other indie games
latent moon
considering the quality and time put into the game, it's pretty reasonably priced imo
$25 isn't that much compared to other top games that come out nowadays
60 or 70 bucks
mental mirage
$25 isn't that much compared to other top games that come out nowadays
Yeah but this isn’t a top game
drowsy linden
i mean just because it's not at or near it's peak doesn't mean it's dying
a lot ...
⬆️ it just means its not at its peak
oh youre not as healthy as you were before? YOURE DYING GET TO THE HOSPITAL
mental mirage
It’s a spinoff of Greek mythology
latent moon
neither are the games that cost 60 or 70 lmao
like they're good but not all of them are top games
sour fog
bait used to be believable
sour fog
yeah you said that last time too
latent moon
It’s a spinoff of Greek mythology
that doesn't really mean much
mental mirage
yeah you said that last time too
Wdym “last time”
latent moon
i mean if you get bored of the game you dont have to keep playing it
you can move on
the game's not catered to everyone's interests
and some enjoy it more than others
drowsy linden
bait used to be believable
thos feels like a and moment
jagged hamlet
It's only been three years since the 1.0 release goodness
latent moon
it's quite literally personal preference lmao
sour fog
this
latent moon
none of the points you've made have really been substantial lmao
mental mirage
But why’d they stop updating the game
latent moon
because they felt it was finished
mental mirage
The ending didn’t feel satisfactory tho
latent moon
that's personal preference
drowsy linden
thats just you
sour fog
you don't feel satisfactory
latent moon
the game writers/devs and i'd say majority of the community feel satisified
mental mirage
When’s hades 2 coming out
sour fog
in two hours
drowsy linden
q2 2024
latent moon
wary iron
Sounds like a you-problem
drowsy linden
I can’t wait that long
silksong:
mental mirage
Bruh
sour fog
this is certainly a bruh moment
latent moon
probably 25-30
sour fog
3/10 this time
wary iron
Nah 2/10 he gets too repetitive
sour fog
wait for a discount then
sour fog
- february
wary iron
When they feel like it
latent moon
oh no my game costs a reasonable amount of money for the amount of time and resources spent on it
latent moon
But when are the discounts
generally holidays and breaks
sometimes it's whenever tho
wary iron
Oh no, Inflation made my game more expensive
mental mirage
How long was the story of hades again?
mint coral
first time I've seen someone say a good indie game is overpriced ngl
latent moon
lmao yeah
mental mirage
I forgot
mint coral
everytime I keep hearing "why is it so cheap"
latent moon
i've heard people say it's better than triple A games and it's less than half the price of them
mental mirage
What u guys think hades should be priced like a AAA game?
mint coral
for the sake of my wallet nah
wary iron
After I first played it on game pass I was afraid it’s gonna be like 55$ or smth
latent moon
How long was the story of hades again?
kinda depends on how long it takes for you personally
mint coral
but I wouldn't really mind it?
latent moon
player dependent
latent moon
What u guys think hades should be priced like a AAA game?
considering the quality i wouldn't be surprised if it was tbh
wary iron
This game would’ve been worth the AAA price tag
mental mirage
You see when looking up how long it takes to beat hades you only get 20 hours
And I would aim for 40 hours
For a $30 game
latent moon
i would've added hades to the "too expensive for me but if i could i'd buy it" list if it was $60 lmao
wary iron
You see when looking up how long it takes to beat hades you only get 20 hours
That’s the average time for a lot of games
mental mirage
Like Skyrim is fairly priced
sour fog
it will take you longer
wary iron
And also that might just be first clear time
mint coral
20 hrs is a lot tbh 
latent moon
And I would aim for 40 hours
it could be 40 hours if you went for epilogue
sour fog
you specifically
wary iron
True
latent moon
i've also seen players take like 20 hours to get like 4 clears or something
so it's like
player dependent like i said
drowsy linden
everytime I keep hearing "why is it so cheap"
pretty sure the only valid arguments about hades being overpriced is hollow knight or isaac, but even then its still not too strong
mental mirage
Do u guys think hades has replayablity though?
mint coral
yeah???
latent moon
wary iron
Like Skyrim is fairly priced
It’s Bethesda it probably also wasn’t that cheap at launch
sour fog
I have 600 hours on steam, so yeah I would say so
mint coral
I've replayed just for the story lmao
wary iron
Do u guys think hades has replayablity though?
More than your arguments do
latent moon
i have about 500, jazz has over 1k, angel and bai have over 2k each i believe
mental mirage
I have 600 hours on steam, so yeah I would say so
Damn how
latent moon
so like yeah
drowsy linden
it could be 40 hours if you went for epilogue
hell mode 100%
mental mirage
I only put that much time on metroid
mint coral
I have 750+ hrs iirc
latent moon
like it quite literally depends on how much you like the game
drowsy linden
i have a mild 150-200, havent played too much hades
latent moon
there's a lot to do in the game and a lot to try out if you want
mental mirage
i have a mild 150-200, havent played too much hades
That’s a lot of time wdym
latent moon
a lot to achieve
wary iron
I have about 50, I’m still fairly new tho
sour fog
I've done like 3 full playthroughs from start to epilogue, plus a bunch of runs outside of those
mental mirage
I’ve bought triple A games and only spent 10 hours on them
Is that a waste of money
drowsy linden
a lot to achieve
i have like 7 achievements
latent moon
I’ve bought triple A games and only spent 10 hours on them
you complained about hades only being 20 hours long and it's less than half the price of triple A games
mint coral
I mean, is your money
latent moon
so yes
drowsy linden
I’ve bought triple A games and only spent 10 hours on them
yes, compared to rogues
wary iron
Is that a waste of money
No game is a waste of money as long as you have fun
mint coral
you define if its worth it
latent moon
like it's your money and you define how worth it it is
mental mirage
you complained about hades only being 20 hours long and it's less than half the ...
Triple A games are usually longer
Though
latent moon
and you spent 10 hours on it
latent moon
like this kinda goes directly against your own argument about hades being too short lmao
wary iron
Triple A games are usually longer
I say the average player only has 3 hours on starfield
mint coral
I don't need a game to be super long to consider it worthy
sour fog
I said it's weak bait
mental mirage
what do you care how long it is if you only play for 10 hours
Because I don’t like most triple A games
That’s why I moved to indie games
drowsy linden
i have like 7 achievements<:zaglol:725043931867512903>
correction:
46
the achievs in hades are too easy
wary iron
Yeah
mental mirage
Have u guys played hogwarts legacy
sour fog
lmao
wary iron
I don’t like hp
stone rune
hades is a 1200 hour game
wary iron
Indeed it is
mental mirage
hades is a 1200 hour game
No??
stone rune
well that’s how many hours i have
wary iron
Try a dash only 32 heat
stone rune
can you really say you’ve completed hades if you don’t have at least 1 wr
wary iron
Of course not
mental mirage
Hades is repetitive thooo
stone rune
ok bubbo
wary iron
Hades is repetitive thooo
Not. At. All.
mint coral
do you mean repetitive as in lack of options or the core gameplay
steel rampart
Hades mobile app lol
latent moon
Hades is repetitive thooo
oh no my roguelite game that's based on repetition is repetitive
latent moon
like that's kinda the core thing about the genre as a whole
steel rampart
I have high hopes
stone rune
i’m gonna get the first mobile hades sub530
latent moon
that's horrendous
wary iron
I have high hopes
Had to have high high hopes
latent moon
i’m gonna get the first mobile hades sub530
just hook up a keyboard to it
wary iron
i’m gonna get the first mobile hades sub530
I’m gonna race you to it
mint coral
This is the 3rd game from sgg that's on mobile lmao
drowsy linden
I have high hopes
having played dead cells, i have some amount of hopes
frozen tinsel
iOS? Really?
ionic hemlock
Can’t wait to see the new WR be on IOS
stone rune
imagine trying to scoot on a phone
wary iron
Trying to cover the fishing dot on a phone is gonna be a nightmare
Or a lot easier
I really cant say
turbid widget
Netflix is a gaming console now?
formal citrus
Eyy. Got a new speed pb and caught a sturgeon for the first time
New big TV is helpful
One of my hammers was fricken piercing volley
tepid light
Person below me is bad at the game
stone rune
True!
ember hinge
til: getting hit by a trap while fishing makes the timer run again
does anyone else here play hades on controller
ember hinge
oh hypnos’ frog does
ember hinge
idk about in this chat but a lot of top runners
nice
rose roost
latent moon
even though the only 32 heat sub6s are on kbm
all 64 heat runs have been kbm too lmao
stone rune
yeah but who cares about that
latent moon
true
stone rune
we all know the real metric is 32 heat sub6
truly the hardest thing ever to be done in hades
:widecharon3:
latent moon
7:30 50 heat tho
steel rampart
what does sub6 sub20 actually mean?
stone rune
what does sub6 sub20 actually mean?
below that number of minutes in in game time
stiff obsidian
It doesn't happen
stone rune
idk man
rose roost
played too much arthur
stiff obsidian
you click for arthur
latent moon
you can hold down the attack, and every time you hit dash you dash strike
stiff obsidian
arhur?
stiff obsidian
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1173128110200324146/2...
this never happens
in rooms
it works in free rooms
for some reason i cant dash strike without specialling
no matter how many times i try or how slowly i do it
it always dashes then standing strike
last veldt
It was hundreds of runs before I realised that any of the weapons worked if you held down attack.
Changed my opinion of fists.
No more hand cramp.
stone rune
any of the weapons is a cool code word for like 2/3 weapons and a handful of aspects/hammers
last veldt
I mean that I didn't know you could do it with anything at all before then.
I was tapping for every hit on fists.
tepid light
If you don't click for every single punch with fists, you're not getting the full immersive experience
last veldt
True, but you're also not getting RSI.
tepid light
RSI?
formal orbit
Repetitive strain injury, very common
tepid light
That just heightens the immersion
Do you think Zagreus' arms are feeling perfectly fine after all that punching
formal orbit
everybody gangster until zag literally die, maybe should leave that part out of the immersion
stiff obsidian
agree 🖐️
final plover
so are knock poseidon builds useless against hades since he can't be knocked around?
ember hinge
https://i.imgur.com/kgBgZlc.mp4
im actually confused how do you get to this point
formal orbit
Not my run, in the bug list on speedrun.com
ember hinge
oh 😭
tepid light
so are knock poseidon builds useless against hades since he can't be knocked aro...
effects associated with knockback will still trigger on bosses, and bosses are technically knocked back, just only a tiny amount
and there's a reason why boons like wave pounding exist; specifically to make knockback builds not useless against hades and other bosses
drowsy linden
effects associated with knockback will still trigger on bosses, and bosses *are*...
i mean pos dash is still just goated
35+40+40 damage per dash
common tdash+sea storm+splitting
final plover
effects associated with knockback will still trigger on bosses, and bosses *are*...
Oh okay that makes sense. I used to run Athena dash but been switching over to poseidon and it's sooo strong for room clears its insane
tepid light
i mean pos dash is still just goated
that just proves my point
even if the knockback itself doesn't work on bosses, all the damage+effects attached to it can still be very effective
tepid light
Oh okay that makes sense. I used to run Athena dash but been switching over to p...
yeah athena and poseidon dash are easily two of the strongest dashes
I've had some fun times with blade dash, admittedly
raw herald
35
final plover
yeah athena and poseidon dash are easily two of the strongest dashes
I can definitely see that I think now I prefer poseidon dash just because if I get really unlucky with my build, the dash can do really good dmg with just a few boons
undone tundra
quick question, is aphro call good or should i sell it and get smth different (its heroic so big moner)
latent moon
aphro call only damages at full call, and it's a pretty hefty about so it's not bad
it's just that you'll never full call in small rooms
the small calls are good for like brief stuns on bosses
kinda personal preference
do you have smoldering air by chance
latent moon
where are you in the run atm?
undone tundra
im entering elysium
latent moon
whats your god pool
latent moon
what 4 gods besides hermes do you have
latent moon
oh lmao
undone tundra
athena ares artemis aphro
undone tundra
naw
undone tundra
what hermes boons do you have
+3 dashes
cuz im running uh
spear dash attack build
(got the triple jab)
latent moon
welp aphro call isn't helping or being harmful lmao
ngl
sell it for high roll lmao
latent moon
sell it, get hyper sprint from your next hermes, then buy styx hermes
for rush delivery
calls also clog up the hermes boon pool a bit so it kinda works out lmao
undone tundra
ok ok ty
final plover
what do you guys think is stronger max lvl zag sword or low lvl nemesis sword?
final plover
kk thansk!
it would be really cool if crit numbers were a different color to easier see crits when doing a lot of different attacks
undone tundra
i meannnn you get the ❗
final plover
ooh you do I didnt even realize until now
so if I get dionysus on attack using nemesis and then use special, does the crit chance apply to my poison applied from my attack or only the actual attack dmg?
frozen tinsel
Probably attack only.