i have never had a super1 dad kill on beo in anyheat
#h1-discussion
leaden belfry
rd?
formal citrus
9:37.5 on hera. Finally good enough to beat my stupid first sub 10 on eris. Didn't even have clockets
stone rune
my dad fight with no rd and no mirage was still 54 seconds
formal citrus
i have never had a super1 dad kill on beo in anyheat
you should try beo em4
stone rune
does rush delivery work with evertyhting and every aspect
yes
ok well don’t do that
shrimple
leaden belfry
on rama its really nice though
formal citrus
This is a thing I had not considered. Epic quick reload and recall were enough to get me through this time.
leaden belfry
https://youtu.be/N2dEuzNzMcc?si=-DqGmg4N55ZruXnZ&t=2133
blocked
stone rune
46 second dad fight
leaden belfry
video unabial;be
stone rune
just do pos
leaden belfry
dio?
stone rune
unless ur at 50+ heat
stone rune
dem cast is the worst on beo
leaden belfry
how does dem work on beo
formal citrus
wait can demeter even work
Beo has flares not casts
leaden belfry
is dem just bad?
formal citrus
Also, lol, I forgot to change the hourglass for something else there. Whoops. Still good enough for best time.
leaden belfry
oh
yeah meme beam
is less fun then I thought it would be
but i didnt really have a good glacial glare
and stygian soul
formal citrus
When you get the right boons it's hella fun
It is
But you get big numbers all the same. Beating the system.
Beat my previous time by a whole 1.22 seconds lol
I used to go arti keepsake on Achilles and see if I lucked into crystal or blades
Because I saw big percent means need other multipliers.
I feel like I would actively refuse %atk buffs on Achilles like "nah, don't need it"
leaden belfry
um
i tried a build with hera bow
that was a scnilalting feast
it was quite fun but i died
formal citrus
Scint feast on hera is really fun
leaden belfry
but every time i fired it would create a drunk execution chamber
formal citrus
I got scint feast mirage shot on it once. Was truly a dream
Scint feast hera might have been my first 32
leaden belfry
i feel like the maim effect takes too long to come in and the damage increase is detrimental
formal citrus
Dash fun does seem fun though. Splash or blades.
leaden belfry
blades
I really wanted to do blades with ares vortex boons on blades
plus legendart
dark birch
what is the worst weapon aspect
stone rune
in general?
gilga
chiron is worse for speed
but in terms of general usage it does not get much worse than gilga
latent moon
on top of it being rng reliant you can kinda shaft your casts with certain timings lmao
might be cshot specific
latent moon
yeah it's dashing at the wrong time
but i feel like it's more likely to happen with cshot
dashing as the cast pops
stone rune
probably more likely but not like exclusive
latent moon
yeah def
on the other hand tho it is beo
i wouldn't be surprised if it's exclusive to cshot
stone rune
i think its basically just
ive never heard that bug described as being affected by cshot
and also im pretty sure it was known in the ancient days of when people didnt use cshot
latent moon
fair
formal orbit
my god beowulf is op, too bad I threw this run
even got 9% cast damage from bouldy
latent moon
do y'all agree with the heat guide in <#725021448426749993>
which one
the spreadsheet one or the 30 page one
brisk trail
uhh, the pinned one
latent moon
both of them are pinned
brisk trail
the spreadsheet
latent moon
the spreadsheet works fine if your goal is 32 heat
brisk trail
my goal is to reliably clear
stone rune
it does em3 early
brisk trail
on low heat
stone rune
otherwise its fine
latent moon
the main concern is that it takes em3 very early, but it'll train you for 32 heat easily
if you just want like bounty clears, then you can hold off on em3 until like maybe 15 heat or so?
brisk trail
if you just want like bounty clears, then you can hold off on em3 until like may...
alright
yeah, I'm going for bounties rn
gottaw unlock t5 zeus shield
latent moon
zeus shield level doesn't matter that much
zeus is flat damage, so the base damage of the shield doesn't really make it that much stronger
brisk trail
zeus is flat damage, so the base damage of the shield doesn't really make it tha...
im going zeus^2
latent moon
yeah if you're doing zeus^2 the base damage of the disk doesn't matter
formal orbit
Zeus^2 work fine with lv1
drowsy linden
imo em3 is easier than em2, unless you mean jumping straight into em3 from nothing
brisk trail
oh ok
latent moon
if you want to build with a % special then it def matters
brisk trail
if you want to build with a % special then it def matters
ok
formal orbit
Em2 is so hard is not even funny
brisk trail
is zeus^2 a good build
tepid light
something something em4
drowsy linden
Em2 is so hard is not even funny
even my best lowheat runs are at risk when blue em2 arrives
formal orbit
The problem is not em4 itself, the time is painful
tepid light
The problem is not em4 itself, the time is painful
Quite a few people would disagree with you there
EM4 is no joke
formal orbit
And when you go 50+, it is kinda mandatory
brisk trail
currently my runs go with zeus on spec, jolted, athena dash, and whatever damage buffs I can get for the attack, and hopefully arte on cast and support fire
latent moon
is zeus^2 a good build
yes
it's one of the most consistent and strongest for how consistent it is
drowsy linden
is zeus^2 a good build
yes, it was going to be my first 32, but dio decided to kill zeus
tepid light
Is Bananas a good player
latent moon
currently my runs go with zeus on spec, jolted, athena dash, and whatever damage...
that's more or less ideal
arty doesn't matter, athena dash is always nice for safety but also not completely necessary
drowsy linden
i am feeling to urge to put banana's 5:32 beo video in here
brisk trail
my optimal build would be
Zeus Spec
Jolted
Athena Dash
Double Strike
High Voltage
Aphro attack
Arte Cast
Support Fire
Maybe pp
in descending order of importance
latent moon
i am feeling to urge to put banana's 5:32 beo video in here
why lmao
drowsy linden
idk, it just stayed in my mind
probably the thumbnail
latent moon
my optimal build would be
Zeus Spec
Jolted
Athena Dash
Double Strike
High Volt...
high voltage is pretty eh, double strike is alright and is at least worthwhile, esp since it opens the legendary. granted they both do so they're both worth taking, but double strike is a higher priority (both below jolted ofc)
the arty stuff is pretty irrelevant so dw about that tbh
ngl it's more like, arty/aphro atk since both their duos with zeus are strong
latent moon
you can obv hope for both but realistically you'll only get one
brisk trail
the arty stuff is pretty irrelevant so dw about that tbh
ngl it's more like, art...
most importantly I feed zeus duos
brisk trail
but the problem is, I use stygian soul bcs I died in asphodel once because I got stuck in the lava
drowsy linden
my optimal build would be
Zeus Spec
Jolted
Athena Dash
Double Strike
High Volt...
support fire is ok, since its like 30% of flourish
brisk trail
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1166033811587469372/...
oh yeah charged shot important
drowsy linden
but the problem is, I use stygian soul bcs I died in asphodel once because I got...
you shouldnt be going for bloodstones if your shield isnt high level
unless you use abyssal
formal orbit
You don’t need cshot, it just there to go fast
Explosive return is much more consistent
jagged hamlet
Is Bananas a good player
Bananas is absolutely bananas at this game
stone rune
Explosive return is much more consistent
i wouldnt say so
drowsy linden
explosive+ferocious guard are pretty much the hammers you want, with explosive being debatable
stone rune
cshot makes ur attack a sizable amount of damage
brisk trail
so the better order would be:
Zeus Spec
Jolted
Double Strike
Athena Dash
Aphro/grandma attack
Support fire
high voltage
stone rune
u dont need support fire
formal orbit
cshot makes ur attack a sizable amount of damage
Yeah it’s nice but i feel kinda helpless without the iframes
stone rune
or high voltage
stone rune
Yeah it’s nice but i feel kinda helpless without the iframes
its low heat
drowsy linden
so the better order would be:
Zeus Spec
Jolted
Double Strike
Athena Dash
Aphro/...
support>high
brisk trail
hmm? but zeus shield does a lot of support fire
brisk trail
ofc it's not
drowsy linden
you also have to take into account god pool
stone rune
well u have it up there
the best pool for zeus^2 is arty zeus pos and something else that isnt awful
brisk trail
god pool: zeus, arte, aphro
stone rune
like u dont want dem or something
brisk trail
why pos
stone rune
for tdash
brisk trail
what pos for
stone rune
and beaver and shoals
brisk trail
pos dash?
stone rune
yeah
brisk trail
not athena dash
brisk trail
I thought athena dash is just, obvious
formal orbit
The easy zeus build imo is something like zeus spec, aphro attack, dio call and hopefully smoldering air
brisk trail
The easy zeus build imo is something like zeus spec, aphro attack, dio call and ...
smoldering air is ares
stone rune
in low heat zeus is better than dio
formal orbit
Jolted is always welcome as well
stone rune
smoldering air is ares
no it's not?
brisk trail
no it's not?
wait did i forgor something
stone rune
smoldering air is zeus/aph duo
brisk trail
also what is arty zeus duo
stone rune
lightning rod
brisk trail
smoldering air is zeus/aph duo
oh ok
stone rune
cant get it on stygian
drowsy linden
I thought athena dash is just, obvious
athena's for the weapons that cant deal with projectiles too well and doesnt have %(eris), like fists/sword
brisk trail
lightning rod
but I use stygian soul
stone rune
then it doesnt exist
drowsy linden
you should be fine with the bull rush from shield
latent moon
I suck at managing more than like, 2 things
tbf once you have rod, you can just chuck it and forget about it
stone rune
stygian is also annoying in tart if u dont have cshot
brisk trail
stygian is also annoying in tart if u dont have cshot
but I just can't do infernal in aspho
stone rune
cause then killing unarmored louts/thugs/wringers is a struggle
brisk trail
not that I use cast a lot anyways
drowsy linden
you just:
shoot
wait for bloodstone to drop(visual indicators next to health bar, and on the ground)
shoot again
wait
shoot
wait
pick up bloodstone if you dont have any
id say stygian is harder to keep track of than infernal, because infernal has better visual indicators
brisk trail
but bloodstone goes in magma and I get stuck behind sth
brisk trail
id say stygian is harder to keep track of than infernal, because infernal has be...
i find it easier honestly
because with infernal I gotta think about where I shoot
idk it's just me probably
drowsy linden
but bloodstone goes in magma and I get stuck behind sth
then:
- aim better(casts have homing)
- dont pick it up, casts arent that important, and you have 3 casts
if you use kbm with the auto target setting, you should be fine
brisk trail
if you use kbm with the auto target setting, you should be fine
I don't use auto target, I aim with mouse
bcs otherwise shield would be hell
brisk trail
shield isnt hell for me
is lrod that important then
drowsy linden
lrod is nice, but not required
brisk trail
also, it doesn't really make sense to have pos on dash does it?
drowsy linden
it does i think 70 dps per bloodstone
brisk trail
bcs I sorta want to dash through an enemy and throw a shield backwards then bash the enemy into the shield as it flies
drowsy linden
also, it doesn't really make sense to have pos on dash does it?
i dont understand pos, but its used a lot
zshield already annihilates everything that athena's used for
brisk trail
isn't that the point of zeus shield
formal orbit
I personally don’t enjoy pos dash because it mess with my special but it’s good
brisk trail
I personally don’t enjoy pos dash because it mess with my special but it’s good
but what if, since I'm going so much zeus, if I just get zeus dash
drowsy linden
the point of zshield for me is to yoyo the shield, and occasionally throw it out and just never attack
brisk trail
the extra bit of damage sure is nice
formal orbit
zeus dash is not bad, the thing is you want other stuff on zeus
Dash is just in the way
drowsy linden
i think pos is mainly for styx tunnels, though not sure
my gilg pos dash build annihilated everything, so its pretty good
brisk trail
the point of zshield for me is to yoyo the shield, and occasionally throw it out...
I sorta like being more involved, my attack pattern is bull rush through enemy, throw shield backwards, then repeatedly (dash-)strike at the enemy to make sure it stays in the shield aoe
stone rune
tdash gives u much needed aoe and ability to clear out smaller enemies
brisk trail
then after it's dead retrieve the shield
idk how actually good it is but I can kill skelly very fast
faster than yoyoing
formal orbit
It’s the way of playing zeus at high heat but required a bit more finesse if you want to play it optimally
brisk trail
in an actual combat situation in a large room (not styx), I usually throw the shield out, dash to the other side of the room and throw some cshots and casts possibly while the shield flies to me
drowsy linden
my strat is just spam zeus to keep it on an enemy, and then attack nearby enemies and try to group them
brisk trail
in styx I throw out the shield then just do normal shield strats while sometimes controlling the shield
so what dash is best casually for zeus^2
formal orbit
tdash
brisk trail
I'm sure that might be right, but can you explain why
drowsy linden
if you are simply loaded with zeus boons and have splitting and a good greflex, you can consider zeus dash
brisk trail
I might use it better if I know why it's good
formal orbit
I'm sure that might be right, but can you explain why
I don't play with it but you can watch jazz vod
brisk trail
so what do you use
formal orbit
formal orbit
so what do you use
I used ddash to fish for death defiance on athena
and deal with ely witch
but I can make do without dash
brisk trail
what's ddash
drowsy linden
a single special should take care of the ball
brisk trail
athena dash?
brisk trail
divine dash
ok
drowsy linden
there are some people who use it for drunken dash or dem dash, but those are pretty rare
brisk trail
athena has bad non-core boons though
formal orbit
look at how he grouped 2 miniboss together is really satisfying
brisk trail
this might be strange but I'm from china and learnt a lot of combat strategies on bilibili
I use a vpn
formal orbit
the Chinese hades community is insane
tepid light
athena has bad non-core boons though
she's the only god in the game who gives you free dd restoration
drowsy linden
bilibili is chinese youtube, so makes sense that you learned a good amount
brisk trail
she's the only god in the game who gives you free dd restoration
yeah
tepid light
hardly 'bad'
brisk trail
bilibili is chinese youtube, so makes sense that you learned a good amount
our hades community does crazy stuff
proud of that
formal orbit
mysterra clear max heat with doom special
I mean, who does that
but I think you should ask the chinese about zeus lmao
wherever they are anyway
brisk trail
wherever they are anyway
they are in school, online, everywhere
and another advantage I have is I'm actually a native speaker of mandarin
weird way to word it but it's true
is english your second language?
formal orbit
fun fact, if you know mandarin and english, you can communicate with about 70% world population
formal orbit
is english your second language?
yeah
formal orbit
your neighbor actually, down south
brisk trail
vietnamese?
formal orbit
yeah
brisk trail
cool
formal orbit
we have easier time learning english tho, latin letter and all that
brisk trail
we have easier time learning english tho, latin letter and all that
it's alright for me, I started learning english from when I was like, 3
brisk trail
fun fact, if you know mandarin and english, you can communicate with about 70% w...
mainly because chinese people alone consists of 20% of the entire world
actually that statistic may be a bit dated now
formal orbit
yeah, might want to fact check again
brisk trail
yeah, wait actually it might be pretty accurate still
drowsy linden
english is the most spoken language i think
brisk trail
it used to be 1.4 billion chinese people out of 7 billion people, last time we did a census it returned 1.6 billion people out of 8 billion people
so the statistic is still accurate
semi-accurate
brisk trail
english is the most spoken language i think
definitely
mainly because of India I think
formal orbit
colonialism played a huge part in that
brisk trail
colonialism played a huge part in that
modern world history ptsd
tepid light
@brisk trail Where are you in China, if you don't mind me asking
brisk trail
I'm in the capital
tepid light
Oh hey, same here
brisk trail
wait really?
tepid light
At Beida for school
brisk trail
you're in Beijing
tepid light
I'm American, but I'm here for a degree program
brisk trail
are you in university or high school
brisk trail
ooh, ok
drowsy linden
i will not use this information to find your exact locations
tepid light
~~i will not use this information to find your exact locations~~
There's a reason why I'm using vague terminology
tepid light
it's really rare to find someone so close to me physically
I know right
brisk trail
There's a reason why I'm using vague terminology
well, since I'm in this city, I know exactly where you are
drowsy linden
its alright, im in 北京 as well
tepid light
well, since I'm in this city, I know exactly where you are
Same here
brisk trail
its alright, im in 北京 as well
surprisingly, google translate didn't mess up
tepid light
I just need to find you among the 22 million people in the city
drowsy linden
這個不是google翻譯
tepid light
There's only one way to actually prove someone is Chinese: go into VC and make them speak it
drowsy linden
哎呀，我真正可以說中文
brisk trail
There's only one way to actually prove someone is Chinese: go into VC and make t...
yeah
that's gotta be rough
for someone who's not chinese
drowsy linden
brisk trail
apple user?
drowsy linden
yes
brisk trail
daammmmm
drowsy linden
havent used chinese in a while, since im now learning japanese
drowsy linden
second
brisk trail
that sounds like a regrettable decision
drowsy linden
my family is chinese
brisk trail
There's only one way to actually prove someone is Chinese: go into VC and make t...
now that i know you're in the same city as I am, have you ate lunch yet?
tepid light
now that i know you're in the same city as I am, have you ate lunch yet?
nope, have you?
drowsy linden
to those who say were offtopic:
guan yu=chinese
tepid light
have a good lunch
tepid light
to those who say were offtopic:
guan yu=chinese
checkmate, moderators
brisk trail
to those who say were offtopic:
guan yu=chinese
checkmate
dark birch
but in terms of general usage it does not get much worse than gilga
ah, i havent unlocked it yet since ive only been playing for about 2 weeks. what makes it so bad?
tepid light
And it gives a nonsensical damage buff to enemies
mint coral
When is the +10% dmg actually hurting you
Ig its nonsensical in the opposite way lmao
tepid light
beowulf is a shield that relies on the charge, meaning that you're literally blocking damage as you attack
While gilgamesh gives enemies a 50% damage boost
On a weapon with no means to block stuff
That forces you to get extremely close
mint coral
Peak balance
tepid light
If it gave enemies a damage debuff that would be both a lot more logical and a lot better
latent moon
gilga is supposed to be high risk high reward but the rewards are pretty minimal other than getting bigger meg damage lmao
tepid light
playing fists with slower attacks is already pretty high risk
formal orbit
playing fists with slower attacks is already pretty high risk
latent moon
dw fists are technically safer than sword because of long knuckle
tepid light
colossus knuckle the real choice
brisk trail
dw fists are technically safer than sword because of long knuckle
shield is safest though
esp with cshot
tepid light
mod where zagreus uses the fists to hold arthur in one hand and beowulf in the other
sour inlet
hey i have merciful end now if i replace athena special for ares, will the duo boon disappear bcos i no longer own one of the requirements?
raw path
iirc boons that require boons stay even after the base gets swapped. That's also why they're worth purging if that's the case.
latent moon
you'll keep the duo boon but ME will just be useless since you dont have any way to apply doom
sour inlet
nono i have ares attack and im about to get ares special
and i have deflect on dash
so it works right
also my attack has 101 doom dmg and special has 160, which will be applued
raw path
whatever you hit last
I thought it stacked
latent moon
ngl i'm not sure because it generally doesnt matter too much
sour inlet
uh say i hit attack then special then i dash, the special will be triggered?
latent moon
I thought it stacked
i dont think you can have 2 doom applications at the same time
latent moon
uh say i hit attack then special then i dash, the special will be triggered?
probably
what aspect is this anyways
latent moon
no that's dire misfortune
sour inlet
first time using fists
latent moon
it "stacks" by adding an extra 14 damage or whatever
sour inlet
oh
latent moon
oh ngl just ignore the special until you hvae the charged upper
just dash strike everything
sour inlet
ive only used railgun so far and i wanted to try smth new
sour inlet
ohh
sour inlet
okay
latent moon
and since it's fist you're just dash striking around everywhere
sour inlet
and since it's fist you're just dash striking around everywhere
yea this feels weird
with railgun i never dash strike
latent moon
guess ill take that
i mean you're dropping the doom immediately so like it's still pretty useless lmao
sour inlet
hoping to get more nectars asap so i can use my companions againt hades
latent moon
with railgun i never dash strike
rails generally dash strike a good amount
including hestia
sour inlet
i mean you're dropping the doom immediately so like it's still pretty useless lm...
but like if i hold for a millisec longer itll hit twice
so it should stack
to an extent
sour inlet
rails generally dash strike a good amount
oh
i never dash strike with railgun lmao
i dont even try to dodge
latent moon
but like if i hold for a millisec longer itll hit twice
why would you want to hold it when you can just get the doom to drop immediately two times in a row
sour inlet
cus zeus attack
sour inlet
why would you want to hold it when you can just get the doom to drop immediately...
true
shouldnt have paid charon 450
latent moon
it's only useful after your dashes run out but it's like eh
tbf ares doesn't have anything better to offer
sour inlet
shoula taken 300 pom
latent moon
oh impending doom
that's the big one you need
if you already have it then build's done, just get poms
sour inlet
i picked 5-6 athena boons💀 and i didnt get merciful end in any of them
latent moon
cus zeus attack
if you dash strike on rail, bullets come out faster during that time
worth considering
sour inlet
i got her legendary before i got ME
sour inlet
didnt even know one could get this many boons of the same god
sour inlet
shouldn't have taken the prereqs for the legendary tbf lmao
nah i didnt even know atp that i had met its reqs
sour inlet
if you dash strike on rail, bullets come out faster during that time
ohh
ill try that
lucifer aspect base attack is cracked tho
kay ima go fight hades
donezo won @latent moon
latent moon
gamer
sour inlet
oh i didnt get to visit her garden
latent moon
after the 10th win you can't access it anymore
tepid light
i got her legendary before i got ME
Divine Protection my beloved
brisk trail
wait, the game doesn't allow you to tend to persephone's garden after returning her
dannnngggg
the game even said I could
tepid light
One of the post-victory monologues says that Zagreus has just enough time to water the garden and take care of the plants before he dies
So it technically still happens
You just don't see it
tepid light
33 heat fully cleared
i may be at the point where i have to pick the modifiers I hate
i'll just got with lasting consequences
tepid light
Christ, I forgot how satisfying aspect of demeter is
kinetic launcher with artemis special
big hits
fading rune
do i need max bar for the bad call achivment
where you use greater call against a god in their own trial
rose roost
Yea
fading rune
ok thanks
upper wolf
Lasting consequences 4 is somewhat free with stubborn defiance
stiff obsidian
is there anyway to manip the broker special offer
last veldt
Don't think so. At least not purely in game. There might be a mod if you're on PC, but then you could just grant yourself whatever resources you wanted.
stiff obsidian
yea i wouldnt want to mod it in
grand lotus
does hermes keepsake work in styx?
ive tried using it before and it seems to only work in the boss rooms no matter how quickly I clear
wary iron
Yes, otherwise you could get 20% just out of Styx
Only works during the final rooms of a corridor
mint coral
Same applies to Than's keepsake and hydro might
grand lotus
ok ty
nimble pilot
oh dear... i'm got hades low for the first time and it's doing that dialouge thingie.. he had a second fase doesn't he 0-0
wary iron
perchance
nimble pilot
DANG his second fase hits harder than an intercontinental nuclear ballistic missile
nimble pilot
*perchance*
i've also listend to the soundtrack of the game a ton, so when the dialouge hit and that ringing sound started i knew I was screwed
cinder tartan
DANG his second fase hits harder than an intercontinental nuclear ballistic miss...
if you think that’s hard, do extreme measures when you unlock the pact for him
wary iron
He blames everything on Achilles’ training tho
upper wolf
Nah, also the Olympians and zag himself
Oh and the infernal arms
Never Daedalus tho
I guess he doesn't help us directly, even if that man is letting a lot of good hammers laying around
rose roost
do you use shadow presence on rama since u use special first anyways?
latent moon
It really does lmao
short glen
Rama seems really good if you can perform dash power strikes
latent moon
Tbf that also applies to almost every other bow
short glen
Poor chiron
latent moon
It matters more on Chiron than Hera imo
Hera can get away with min charge shots
Although like you do want it to be faster but if you're min charging you're kinda like dashing into their face already lmao
For Chiron you actually need the distance so the time to attack matters more
cinder tartan
a save conflict happened on my hades cross save, i lost a few attempts worth of progress <3
idk how the hell it happened considering i literally synced and quit on my switch
unless i somehow didnt and i dont remember
final plover
do you guys think it's a good idea to run random weapons and let the game choose random gods you encounter(not using god keepsakes) to work through early heats? or would you suggest trying to go for the optimal builds for a weapon and trying to force certain gods and boons? Feels like the random weapons and gods could be beneficial as it gets you to learn how to fight enemies with sup par builds and also find out some builds you may not know about that end up good right?
wary iron
You could, but you can also use that time to get used and optimise a build that you enjoy
mint coral
Unless you use pacts that disrupt your build power is really easy to get your build almost all the time
final plover
yeah I mean low heats, I just beat the game for first time recently and now I'm on heat 2 with fists and beating heat 1 with others atm so I'm still learning all the enemies as I go
I was running random gods to try to get some of the prophecies done, but I after I'll just force my builds then since that seems to be the move
mint coral
Also for learning other builds I suggest just looking at the codex boon list and pick from there
Or check pins in #h1-builds-and-combat
leaden belfry
Unless you use pacts that disrupt your build power is really easy to get your bu...
merciless end always in
styx room final
NEVER WHEN I NEED IT IN ELSYUIUM
ATLEAT
mint coral
Merciful end moment
final plover
I've been looking through this https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide as I saw it linked in some reddits post and seems pretty good but I'm not sure. I was running the merciful end fist build and it seemed crazy strong
final plover
ooh okay perfect, yeah so I'm using that for whenever I run a new weapon and not sure what build is good
thanks
it feels hard to try and run proper builds and also finish prophecies since often times the boons I need to grab are not the same as prophecies
latent moon
a lot of boons kinda just suck most of the time lmao
so trying to get like a good build going can be hard when you're forced to pick up junk
leaden belfry
i hate beowulf
thorny bolt
So i have a quick question. I got max hearts on thanatos whith ambrosia and everything so what is supposed to happen next? I talked to him and I went to my room but there is no cutscene. Am I supposed to run into him again?
leaden belfry
So i have a quick question. I got max hearts on thanatos whith ambrosia and ever...
even the key heart
?
thorny bolt
yea
thorny bolt
thats kind of what i figured but its kinda annoying lol
i just wanted to make sure i didnt break the game
latent moon
probably talk to him more lmao
latent moon
i hate beowulf
why lmao
latent moon
are you dash striking into the dragon rushes
leaden belfry
yes
latent moon
good build?
jagged hamlet
Cast button nicely mapped?
leaden belfry
yep
LB
it just I feel like I can't time my thing right
like as they spawn i charge up dash and it over shoots
and with bosses I miss more often then not
do u load 2 instead of 3 casrts
That might be the problem tbf loadinf all 3
how can i get cshot when its rng based
But I see what you mean
stone rune
make it not rng based
stone rune
do u load 2 instead of 3 casrts
on bosses 2/1 without cshot or 1/1/1 with cshot
if u can’t instaphase
latent moon
like as they spawn i charge up dash and it over shoots
i dont think that's a clunky problem i think that's just a timing problem lmao
drowsy linden
are you dash striking into the dragon rushes
why dstrike?
latent moon
you put down the shield faster compared to a standing strike
it helps with the smoothness
drowsy linden
what should i use next for 32 heat after hestia and zeus(and maybe beo, but i forgot if i did it or not)
short glen
Have you used any others?
stone rune
what should i use next for 32 heat after hestia and zeus(and maybe beo, but i fo...
dem
short glen
I vote Arthur my beloved
latent moon
i vote hades spear
brisk trail
every video game community:
Day 1: this thing is humanly impossible
Day 2: 12 people do it to spite the guy
Day 15: the game adds it as an achievement
latent moon
more or less describes haelian's video lmao
"64 heat is too improbable to happen"
angel beats it in like 12 days
"well damn"
tepid light
I vote Arthur my beloved
arthur is one of the best weapons in the game tbh and is good even in speedrunning
waits
tepid light
not even a minute, hey there jazz
stone rune
i check this server for new messages every few seconds
tepid light
so i've noticed
stone rune
"64 heat is too improbable to happen"
*angel beats it in like 12 days*
"well dam...
and then mysterra beats it with nearly every special
stone rune
i check this server for new messages every few seconds
i didn’t for a lot of today cause i was at cube comp
latent moon
and then mysterra beats it with nearly every special
tbf haelian was mainly referring to unmodded but fair
msyterra only has like 2 left or something?
latent moon
only athena left damn
formal orbit
Tbf, he has to pray for a good call but still extremely impressive
And taking earing at dad is definitely gamer move
unkempt sparrow
which aspect is the best for each weapon?
i want to use my titan blood to max out certain weapons so why not start with the "best" ones
short glen
The best aspect is always going to be the one you most enjoy tbh
For objectively strongest, that actually depends on a couple things. Are you using a controller or mouse+keyboard, and do you have the fourth aspect for each weapon unlocked yet?
unkempt sparrow
im using a controller. i have unlocked the 4th aspect for every single weapon execpt for the fists and shield
short glen
Controller vs kbm literally only matters for bow AFAIK just btw
latent moon
Tbf kbm vs controller doesn't really matter between aspects
short glen
Iirc there's like... One bow that's not a lot weaker on kbm than it is on controller. That's what I was told anyways
latent moon
Nemesis, Achilles, Zeus/hidden, Hera/rama, Demeter, eris/hestia
short glen
^ that yeah
latent moon
Iirc there's like... One bow that's not a lot weaker on kbm than it is on contro...
It's more like kbm Hera is pain because missing on Hera is more punishing than on the other aspects
tepid light
why did you say 'hidden' for beowulf but give rama's name
latent moon
It's not weaker it's more like "aim better idiot"
latent moon
why did you say 'hidden' for beowulf but give rama's name
They don't have beo
tepid light
ah, didn't see that
short glen
Ah. I was told something about rama being easier to aim on kbm comparatively to the other bows
short glen
nemesis is my worst aspect
Honestly the swords are mostly not very good anyways.
tepid light
the swords hit a nice balance between strategic gameplay and absolute brainless unga bunga for me
latent moon
Ah. I was told something about rama being easier to aim on kbm comparatively to ...
It's easier because it's chunkier and harder to miss lmfao
But like
All the bows are fine on kbm
tepid light
i remember my explosive shot + twin shot rama run
latent moon
The aiming issue is like "git gud"
tepid light
that was some funny times
short glen
I think I've used rama literally once like over a year ago I don't remember it
short glen
nemesis is my worst aspect
If you want my personal opinion, I wouldn't worry too much about sword blood unless you actually really enjoy sword
That's honestly true of every weapon in my opinion. Better to use blood on the aspects you actually enjoy first
tepid light
That's honestly true of every weapon in my opinion. Better to use blood on the a...
was about to say
stone rune
basically
zeus is better on kbm
hera is better on controller
that’s the extent of it really
the not garbage swords are generally considered better on controller
as is achilles for reasons i do not understand
short glen
Oddly I've yet to hear anyone call swords better on either control means
stone rune
i’ve had people tell me kbm nem is weird
stiff obsidian
swords are better in my imagination
stone rune
cgull i think
it feels fine to me
same with achilles
but i’m also kinda bad at nem and achilles
short glen
Also btw the weapons being better or worse is honestly mostly only relevant at very high level gameplay. The very top weapons like Hestia and stuff are notably better but in regular gameplay most of the weapons aren't so much better or worse that it'll be a massive issue
stone rune
well yeah
there’s an inherent assumption in any aspect strength assessment that you aren’t clearing 3 heat for the first time
short glen
I like to mention that when people ask about the strongest weapons for investing blood or whatever
It seems worth noting at that point in the game that the differences aren't anywhere close to make or break
tepid light
Alecto is easily the hardest of the furies to deal with imo
Especially when tisiphone is there with those aoes and smokescreens
Those godforsaken sawblades
short glen
It's just like when I have to deal with that combo: I can't tell what's happening for most of it!
tepid light
And then I run facefirst into a trap, a sawblade, and a tisiphone aoe
short glen
Mostly I just focus on hit alecto face tank damage
Tbh depending on run alecto can actually be the hardest non Hades boss
Especially if you get a really good build later and can nuke heros in 20 some seconds, that's very funny
tepid light
Mostly I just focus on hit alecto face tank damage
That goes fine until you eat a wing swipe or a sawblade to the face
short glen
Yeah it has gone bad a few times. Luckily at this point I've played enough I usually only need my DD's for dad so I can lose one to furies and be fine
tepid light
Meanwhile lernie swings between a casual time and a hectic aoe madhouse depending on the build/heads
Those headslams are insufferable
short glen
Headslams are super cringe
tepid light
My favorite heads to deal with are the wave projectiles because I always take athena dash
And even without athena dash they're a lot easier to dodge
tepid light
oh no not the 6 seconds
stiff obsidian
yea u can literally miss arti/aphro aid when it headslams
stone rune
how have u full charged a call during lernie
stiff obsidian
for last phase i can pretty easily
tepid light
how have u full charged a call during lernie
em2 with full calisthenics program and inevitably taking chunks of damage from aforementioned headslams
stone rune
why do we have cp2 tho
tepid light
yea u can literally miss arti/aphro aid when it headslams
not as bad as when a skeleton spawn eats the aphrodite aid
tepid light
why do we have cp2 tho
because of the way i approach heat
but yeah anyway
i wouldn't consider lernie hard so much as just very hectic
and i've definitely been chunked way too low or lost a dd at him because of it
tepid light
whatever you'd like really, just try one or two modifiers and see what you're most comfortable dealing with
stone rune
basically
just don’t take
approval process or calisthenics program or routine inspection or damage control
otherwise it might not be perfectly optimal but it’s like fine
tepid light
i feel like one rank in calisthenics program is a lot easier to deal with than say
heightened security or something
stone rune
yeah don’t do hs either
but i mean
it’s not the worst
neither is cp really but cp just passively makes the game feel worse
tepid light
neither is cp really but cp just passively makes the game feel worse
i mean this is subjective, a 15% hp increase on enemies with no other factors in play often isn't that big of a deal
like for my tastes, tight deadline makes the game feel worse, even though tight deadline 1 doesn't put you on much of a crunch at all
that's why i told strike to just pick whatever modifiers they personally feel like aren't too bad to deal with
stiff obsidian
i mean this is subjective, a 15% hp increase on enemies with no other factors in...
i mean it straight up makes the game 15% harder
no workarounds or shortcuts
formal orbit
I would say more, the breakpoint for some armor enemies is just straight up annoying
I died the first time fighting bballs miniboss cp2 with hestia
turn out meg + first shot is not enough for the shield
tepid light
i mean it straight up makes the game 15% harder
all i can do is repeat what i said earlier
a 15% hp bonus to all enemies is noticeable, but it'll hardly hamstring you
compared to say heightened security
i'll take "annoying" any day over 150 damage pots
stiff obsidian
yea i used to take cp2 over cp1 hs earlier
but like hs is the only pact worse than cp
for 1 heat
tepid light
eh, this starts going into my personal preferences for heat
which i've described before
i much prefer modifiers that just directly make enemies stronger rather than ones that make zagreus weaker/more limited
heightened security toes this weird grey area for me in that regard
formal orbit
most guide revolve around td so the cp1 bias is understandable
if you go high enough, ri is the only thing left for considering
tepid light
tight deadline and time limits in general is basically the textbook type of 'artificial difficulty' modifiers that i dislike in games
this is just me of course
stiff obsidian
i think most preferences go around which pacts are easiest to works around
like hard labor is only a problem for when you get hit, so avoid it by not getting hit
while theres no way around jury summons and cp
tepid light
while theres no way around jury summons and cp
i mean running off that same logic (which is a big part of the reason why i like/dislike certain modifiers as well), you can't 'get around' tight deadline or routine inspection or somesuch
it's just a big fat shackle on your capabilities
brisk trail
I had a look through my records
I died, an embarrassing amount of times to meg
but hey, now I have all keepsakes including hades keepsake
and legendary zeus shield
tepid light
as arrogant as it might sound to say "just don't get hit" in regards to things like hard labor or forced overtime, the fact of the matter is that you can indeed avoid their effects through your own skill
whereas tight deadline, routine inspection etc. just tell you "you're weaker, deal with it"
stiff obsidian
yes
formal orbit
tight deadline is a different skillset, kill thing faster is not easy
stiff obsidian
but by the time you start wondering what pacts are the most efficient/easiest, you most likely are good enough to clear runs with td2 times on casual runs
atleast td1
tepid light
tight deadline is a different skillset, kill thing faster is not easy
but the thing is (at least for me) i don't need the pressure of tight deadline to make me kill things faster
there's plenty of situations in which killing things faster is good because otherwise you'll get overwhelmed quick
there's also plenty of situations where being patient and careful about combat is much better for your chances of survival
formal orbit
that's the thing about tight deadline, finding the balance is the test
phase 3 dad is the ultimate test of patience
tepid light
i turned on tight deadline 1 like 10 heat ago but i've never gone further
formal orbit
NephiOH 57 arthur is the definition of that
tepid light
one habit of mine (that i'm sure i'll get weird looks for) is that in styx, i'll do most/all of the chambers just for the rewards, to make myself as strong as possible in order to face em4 dad with all the other modifiers i have
this is a habit i will have to break if i ever go farther with tight deadline
but it'll also mean i'll be a lot less strong against dad
rain shadow
formal orbit
you can see how tight deadline makes them took 2 crititcal hits that could have cost them the run
wary iron
Does bull rush have I frames?
formal orbit
yes
wary iron
Thanks
formal orbit
as long as you don't press attack on the flight
wary iron
So continual bull rushing during hades’ lasers (if I turn correctly) would pretty much not damage me?
void vigil
this server needs a v
It would be pretty hard to moderate and there are a lot of people in the server, which is why there isn’t one
formal orbit
So continual bull rushing during hades’ lasers (if I turn correctly) would prett...
the stun when you're trying to put your shield up make that not feasible
void vigil
I think the last time this server had a VC was…. way before hades release, and it was accidental
stiff obsidian
tepid light
It would be pretty hard to moderate and there are a lot of people in the server,...
do you mean "except for the secret moderator vc"
tepid light
It's ok I'll get mod soon enough and then I will have access to the secret vc
Where you guys make shady deals with the devs
void vigil
Where you guys make shady deals with the devs
the more spam bots we get, the more spam bots we ban! Devs, bring on the next wave of scam dms!
could you imagine
tepid light
gotta keep your moderator skills sharp somehow
you are tested by how quickly you can identify and ban the spam bots
wary iron
you are tested by how quickly you can identify and ban the spam bots
Im still here
tepid light
Im still here
🔨
void vigil
I can identify it by a singe mod ping 
wary iron
Let them be my last words
tepid light
actually alma you're the only mod i've ever seen actually talk in the server
other than that time tatz responded to my ares bashing lmao
brisk trail
helo
what builds are good and easy
like, I know zeus² is really good
as you can see here
and yes, I want some stuff from other weapons
formal orbit
Lightning phalanx poseidon sword is good
formal orbit
The hitbox is big, damage is decent
wary iron
Me fists
brisk trail
what's poison chiron
formal orbit
Pos sword can drop bloodstone from enemies by special on them
brisk trail
Pos sword can drop bloodstone from enemies by special on them
i know, and phalanx doesn't stick in bloodstone
right?
formal orbit
Actually it does
brisk trail
ooohh
wary iron
what's poison chiron
Chiron and poison special, it’s not that good, but you can get a lot of duo boons depending on what else you pick, and you can let poison do the work, it’s not fast but efficient
brisk trail
Chiron and poison special, it’s not that good, but you can get a lot of duo boon...
what's poison
you mean posidon?
formal orbit
Dionysus drunken
wary iron
Ah it’s called hangover in English right?
brisk trail
but if we're going dio and aphro I should go pstatus right?
also I would have to relearn the entire game in controller since I can't aim the bow
formal orbit
but if we're going dio and aphro I should go pstatus right?
Yeah, this is kinda a dream scenario for chiron
brisk trail
and because I've never used a controller before, that means I have to relearn gaming entirely
not a bad thing tbh
formal orbit
Lightning strike eris is really good and kinda easy to use since you don’t really have to aim
wary iron
You don’t miss much with bow anyway, you dash close, shoot once and special twice, repeat, then you get full arty aid, make sure the enemy is weak and fire away, it works well, idk how it works with other calls, but there is not much aim required
Hunter and splash dash would work ig
brisk trail
Lightning strike eris is really good and kinda easy to use since you don’t reall...
like, zeus eris
zeris?
wary iron
Also Me fists work well, self explaining ig
formal orbit
Yeah, remind me of zeri in league lmao
tepid light
zeri ult in hades as a zeus boon
massive aoe when you first start attacking, and gives you a buff that lasts as long as you keep attacking
sour inlet
if i havent cleared 11 heat is it any advantageuos to play at more than 11 heat
formal orbit
no but it can be a fun challenge
sour inlet
okay thanks
brisk trail
hades is a great game
they literally turned loading hints into an interactable npc
I'm talking about hypnos
upper wolf
no but it can be a fun challenge
Doesn't bounty stop at 20 heat ?
open hull
32
last veldt
So glad they increased the limit for Hell Mode so I can unlock all-the-things without grinding.
mint coral
I mean is still the same as normal lol
Pretty sure you still need to do some trades for blood
stiff obsidian
how to play lucifer
same as the other rails?
i am sure i am doing it wrong
the reload is buggy
do you have to hit reload eveery time? because letting go when it hits 0 doesnt work
unironically going to start eneternal chamber now
tepid light
how to play lucifer
that's easy
first you succumb to the sin of pride
then you talk back to god
and then the rest will happen by itself
vale scroll
how to play lucifer
I have a reddit comment for this sec
Enemies will move towards you, so it's likely that when you launch the Hellfire, the orb will land behind your enemy. This is fine, because if an enemy is heading straight towards you, you should be moving to create some distance anyway. Constantly darting about the battlefield in order to keep enemies at midrange is the core of Rail gameplay, and Lucy's aspect is no different. Fire the orb at the enemy, and then dash through or around them. Now the enemy is turning around, and you have repositioned so that the orb is between you and them, while you're directly firing at the enemy. Orb explodes, they take damage, everyone's happy.
Having a dash with a good hitbox that goes all around you (Poseidon, Athena, even Aphro) will help you reliably detonate the orb just by dashing into it.
Hellfire has a much larger hitbox on the detonation than it seems, and it can catch more enemies than you'd expect when it explodes. They don't have to be standing right next to the orb to take damage.
Firing the orb into groups will yield better results, obviously, and increase your chances of hitting at least a few targets as you maneuver around them.
Putting Zeus on the beam makes detonating Hellfires easy mode, because the chain lightning often triggers the explosion.
The Triple Beam Hammer is similarly helpful in terms of reliability; you're putting out more hitboxes and can more easily detonate the Hellfire orb.
This is normally Hestia advice, but it works for all aspects: Remap the dang reload button. Put it on a shoulder trigger or something so you can hit reload and then input dash immediately to cancel the animation. We all mash dash to make Zagreus hyperactively zip around the battlefield, and nowhere is this more crucial to do than with the Rail. Don't let the reload animations slow you down, zip around the rooms and do a bit of geometry to put your target on the right side of the orb.```reddit 
vale scroll
do you have to hit reload eveery time? because letting go when it hits 0 doesnt ...
If your ammunition goes to zero and you keep pressing the attack button, Zag keeps doing an empty shooting animation on all Rail aspects. You have to hit reload for all of them.
stiff obsidian
i know
but other aspects reload once you let go of attack
or just dash
not lucifer
vale scroll
I mean, I never let the ammo go to zero because I'm firing, then usually doing a dash-canceled reload when I move away from enemy attacks
Honestly never really emptied the whole clip, never had the luxury of standing still long enough for it.
So I never noticed if this is an issue
stiff obsidian
you can dash and shoot at the same time
vale scroll
I'm aware, but I still tend to reload before I go empty.
tepid light
I've found I run out of ammo much more frequently before I get triple bomb/on runs i never get triple bomb with lucifer
Because I find myself shooting a lot more to detonate the hellfire
stiff obsidian
Haha
Never again
Max call barely managed to kill an armoured witcgy
Which any other min call can do
upper wolf
Yup
tbh I really dislike ares, he's so one dimensional
If you run a weapon where you want Zeus/Dio or a beefy % attack you can't run doom. And if you want to lodge casts you can't run saw blades
... And if you value audio cues you can't run the blade dash
So there's, like, curse of vengeance urge to kill and that death defiance boon left
rose roost
does targeting sys increase flat dmg too?
vale scroll
but other aspects reload once you let go of attack
I was curious and tried this on Skelly, Lucy reloads when you let go of attack as well.
🤷🏾♀️
vale scroll
does targeting sys increase flat dmg too?
yeah
rose roost
nice
mint coral
Also buffs trap/summons
latent moon
targetting system is a global debuff so that's neat
stiff obsidian
I was curious and tried this on Skelly, Lucy reloads when you let go of attack a...
if you let it go for like a whole seconds yes
not quickly letgo-hold
rose roost
just press reload and dash
stiff obsidian
i know what reload does
rose roost
then?
stiff obsidian
not quickly letgo-hold
.
rose roost
not sure but uh found a weird glitch where if u hold the attack button till u empty the mag and during the reload animation u dash( while still holding the attk button) u get stuck in the reload animation until u release attk
kinda funny
vale scroll
The others don't reload quickly either
Dash canceled reloading is always faster so just do that 🤷🏾♀️
stiff obsidian
other rails reload faster
stiff obsidian
not sure but uh found a weird glitch where if u hold the attack button till u em...
ye thats what im talking about except it still doesnt reload if you hold it back too quick
vale scroll
other rails reload faster
I do not have frame dama in front of me since I couldn't find anything like that, but I went to Skelly again and if there's a difference in Lucifer and Eris and Hestia reload animation times, it's basically imperceptible
stiff obsidian
its definitely much slower
vale scroll
Even if it were true, it shouldn't matter anyway because dash-cancelled reloads are still fast. Stop emptying the clip. 🤷🏾♀️
stiff obsidian
im including the time it takes to get the first shot out
lucifer has a delayed startup
noticable enough to have a hammer to reduce it
vale scroll
... completely shifted goalpost then
Yeah, Lucifer has a startup on the beam, that doesn't actually change the reload timings
stiff obsidian
you have to start up when you reload
because you cant attack and reload at the same time
wary iron
That changes the time needed to attack after a reload but not the actual reload time
vale scroll
Yeah, that's just beam startup and has nothing to do with how long the reload is
You can start firing faster with other aspects because they don't have a delay on the attack
rose roost
ye thats what im talking about except it still doesnt reload if you hold it back...
that looks like a glitch so prolly just keep an eye on ur mag
or manually reload every few sec
you don't wanna fully empty ur mag anyway
too risky
I feel Eris and Luci are harder to learn to play since u have to manage pressing so many buttons
annoying on kbm
stiff obsidian
i like eris
wary iron
Hestia only has three necessary button inputs and I still somehow manage to confuse them
rose roost
my mouse is not very sensitive so sometimes I press attk, nothing happens and I reload due to muscle memory
rose roost
oh ok lol I thought that was a mouse issue
stiff obsidian
happens when you press atk too early im pretty sure
rose roost
prolly, it's not very good
rose roost
happens when you press atk too early im pretty sure
I c
vale scroll
Sometimes it happens due to an improper dash cancel (you hit dash -> reload instead of reload -> dash)
So you're stuck in the last frames of the reload animation and hit attack, but reload doesn't cancel into attack
Had to train myself out of it
swift inlet
I feel Eris and Luci are harder to learn to play since u have to manage pressing...
Eris is easy, turn on auto aim + hold fire + blow yourself up with specials
upper wolf
Unlike Beowulf, which is brainful button mashing
vale scroll
Honestly Eris makes me feel more big brain because I'm hitting more buttons
HIGH APM GAMING
latent moon
Try Achilles then lmao
stiff obsidian
on achilles it has to be meaningful button presses
i think im going to start making daily fail compilations
i played for an hour and have 14 furies clips
formal orbit
Achilles is the first sub5 for a reason, massive skill ceiling
royal sundial
What's good? I'm in need of some help. I've looked online to no avail. I'm about to start my 110th escape attempt and not once have I been able to gift Hades and earn his keepsake. Thoughts?
drowsy linden
np
latent moon
it do be like that
humble willow
I got cool idea for a supergiant rogue-like they can make after Hades 2 is a sort of Hades "spin off". In hades each weapon has several types based on a god or mythological being in greece except each has 1 based on outside mythologies. Which gods and heros in the game mention which comes to the reasonable conclusion that in the world of the game other mythologies exist.
What about a game set in the same universe but the mythologies are all mixed. Like god of war and as the rogue-like you try and battle your way through different mythologies to get back to "yours". Like you where captured and trying to get back to greece but you start of in norway and are forced to fight through odin and such before landing in egypt and being forced to fight osiris to get out 🤷🏻♂️