h1-discussion

[latent moon]

they might just like move it outside to a different place or something idk but i heard others rename it

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks! I'm on day 2 of my special Guan Yu seed, and I really, really don't wanna see non-2-sack again

[stiff obsidian]

[jagged hamlet]

Why Lucky Tooth? Are you burning all your DDs on Meg? Which spear aspect of the four are you running? Which boons do you grab?

[latent moon]

no 2 sack be cringe

[stiff obsidian]

i need to beat fists 45 unmodded for all weapons 45 unmodded

but sack will screw me

[latent moon]

it do be like that sometimes

[stiff obsidian]

worked thanks

[tall knot]

what does that keepsake face icon with the god on it do? is it just aesthetic?

[latent moon]

it means you completed their bond with them

[runic jungle]

How do you continue bonds with characters?
I've been gifting Achilles for a while now but can't give him anything anymore.

[latent moon]

if you hit their locked heart, you have to complete their favor

you can check the codex to see how many hearts you have left

[jagged hamlet]

And getting favors active just requires continued chats

[runic jungle]

Ooh I didn't think you could interact with the locked heart.
I'm glad I joined this server bc I legit wouldn't have figured it out lol

[latent moon]

tbh you probably would've gotten it accidentally lmao

you eventually get everything in the game by just talking to everyone

and gifting when available

[jagged hamlet]

Extrovert simulator

[runic jungle]

I've been getting farther and farther than i usually do
I keep dying at the part where you fight the minotaur dude and theseus.
Minotaur ez to defeat but theseus is so dang annoying

[latent moon]

sounds about right lmao

just gotta be patient unfortunately

[runic jungle]

Im hoping for an easier time w the new weapon I unlocked.
exagryph is prolly my favorite weapon rn which is wild bc I didn't think I'd move on so easily from the spear lol

[runic jungle]

At least victory will be so sweet when it happens

[latent moon]

oh i meant like waiting for the right windows to attack him lmao

after every attack he turns around so you get a small window

[latent moon]

rail kinda based

[drowsy linden]

also, he doesnt get buffs from gods whose boons you have, so if you hate a god's effect(demeter), you can try to take that god's boon during the run

[tall knot]

am i guaranteed 2 hammers by the end? or how does that work

[latent moon]

not guaranteed, but you're likely to be offered 2 before you enter styx

you can be offered your first hammer in tartarus or asphodel, your second hammer will be offered starting elysium

[tall knot]

so i should make sure to take 2 before styx, otherwise i wont get one in styx?

[latent moon]

if you leave elysium with 1 hammer, you might get one on a door

[tall knot]

gotcha, ok. Is it the same with hermes?

[latent moon]

it's more like you'd rather have another option than hammer for styx imo

yeah same with hermes

[tall knot]

likley twice before styx?

[latent moon]

yeah

first hermes can be bought in tartarus shops, otherwise he spawns naturally starting in asphodel

[tall knot]

so if i have to choose between hermes and another god, i should choose the other god first right?

[latent moon]

not necessarily

just because he can show up later doesn't mean he will when you want him to lmao

[tall knot]

hmm, ok

i guess i just prefer to choose him over a health buff or something, rather than another god

[latent moon]

hermes is pretty hit or miss for his boons

+dashes, hyper sprint, and rush delivery are his only good boons lmao

other stuff is generally pretty mid or just bad/useless

[jagged hamlet]

How 'bout Bad News?

[latent moon]

that's like between mid and good lmao

because you'd have to pick up auto/quick reload (whichever one it is)

and then after that it's just worse/equal common rush delivery

can't scale with ichors

[past summit]

how good is zag spear?

i already maxxed it out

[signal aspen]

its bad achilles

or bad hades spear

and hades spear is already kinda bad

[past summit]

amazing, 5 titan blood wasted

[jagged hamlet]

It's pretty fun with Exploding Launcher

[past summit]

that being said

any hammer upgrades i should always avoid?

[jagged hamlet]

Repulse Shot, Dread Flight, Minotaur Rush

[past summit]

me when spinning slash:

use it

it's the one reason for using the weapon

[jagged hamlet]

Oops, sorry. Didn't see that you'd replied to the now deleted comment

[runic jungle]

My only gripe with the gun weapon is I can't time the special properly all the time bc enemies be moving too much lol.
If only the uh missile? Wasn't so slow

[jagged hamlet]

It's a historically accurate grenade launcher in its stock form, I think

Speedrun modpack always overlays stuff on the win screen, right?

[past summit]

oops

i forgor

anyways ares boons suck, thank you for coming to my TED talk

[signal aspen]

yeah

was tied with eris

bablo moment

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/967163923121983538/Hades_472.png

[past summit]

skull earing go BRRRR

i am loving this thing

[heady monolith]

Guys is Artemis' dislodging damage boon useful when using the green version of cast?

The timed one

Forgot what it's called

[past summit]

yeah, it still works

and it stacks infinitely

or until they dislodge

[heady monolith]

How though, I don't recall dislodging ever since I used it

Never saw a crystal drop

[signal aspen]

they dislodge after 15 seconds

you just cant pick up the crystals bc they recharge

its not that good with stygian soul

[heady monolith]

Nobody's staying alive for 15 seconds though besides bosses

[heady monolith]

Yeah..

[signal aspen]

its not that good in general

[heady monolith]

I don't think I've ever picked it, is it included it the fates list? I never saw the scroll icon next to it

[signal aspen]

it is

[heady monolith]

Kk, will take it and purge it next time I suppose

[latent moon]

are you talking like the arc or an actual missile because there's a hammer called rocket bomb that's pretty much a missile lmao

and rocket bomb is a lot faster

[latent moon]

yes

the 4 or 5 gods at the top right will always be there

[uncut star]

how much titan blood does it take to max out an aspect

[wary iron]

Depends on the aspect

[uncut star]

its different??

[jagged hamlet]

5, 15, 16, 15 for the four aspects of each weapon

[uncut star]

i see

thats a lot of titans blood

[jagged hamlet]

It is indeed

[stiff obsidian]

does divine dash give iframes on dash strikes

[gray apex]

No

[short glen]

Lame. I wanna be invincible

[formal orbit]

Athena call, go unga bunga

[stiff obsidian]

really

i always thought it did

[formal orbit]

Ddash strike still deflect all attacks even melee

But you still take damage from thing like trap

Maybe the furies circle as well, not so sure about that

[stiff obsidian]

i think deflecting is different from having iframes

[formal orbit]

Yeah, go monkey mode with dash strike at lernie fight with ddash

Not a good idea

[stiff obsidian]

yea i noticed getting hit by the headbang while dashing and was confused

[formal orbit]

I remember deflect asterious slam, not sure if you can deflect lernie slam

Probably not based on my experience

[stiff obsidian]

you can deflect any attack

but i mean getting hit

[formal orbit]

I learnt that by getting burn trying to hit those purple head

[sinful topaz]

I picked a Chaos boon without looking at the debuffs and got the one that takes away health with the primary attack. I have now entered EM3 with Beowulf. Is there a way to cancel a Chaos boon or do I have to suffer through the fight with essentially only special?

[stiff obsidian]

[formal orbit]

You can’t die from chaos debuff

Just need to not get hit

[sinful topaz]

Ah, that's good

[wary iron]

You got this, we believe in you

[sinful topaz]

Also had very trash hammers earlier that led to upgrading the specials.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496015505002463247/1155441418635071559/image.png

[formal orbit]

Nice, but take dark forsight next time

[stiff obsidian]

hitless em3 gaming

[sinful topaz]

tbh I just spammed special until getting Theseus to phase 2

[stiff obsidian]

lol

[sinful topaz]

I constantly forget to change the summon from Skelly, but it genuinely works very well in the Theseus phase 2 transition

[round hill]

Guys, i've been doing some math, and based on hesiod saying it would take 9 days to fall to tartarus and the average speed a person falls, each layer of underworld is 400 miles give or take. Now, if we check the wr speedrun for hades, we can calculate zag's speed by taking each biomes time and the distance he goes (400 miles), which adds up to 15,395.74mph for tartarus, 18,794.81mph for asphodel, and 20,674.29mph for elysium.

Me and my friends were very bored yesterday as you can tell

[wary iron]

True speedrunner…

[raw herald]

Lmao

[runic jungle]

Talking about exagryph really
Don't have rocket bomb yet.

[leaden belfry]

what?!

[formal orbit]

chaos debuff can only reduce you to 1 hp

whether you can stay alive with that or not is another matter

[toxic birch]

does anyone know how much blood is needed to upgrade all the infernal arms to the max exept for the hidden aspects?

[formal orbit]

5/15/16 for each weapon

36x6 = 216 for all weapons

[toxic birch]

alr thanks

[runic jungle]

Omg I finally beat the minotaur and theseus!
Zues aid is really op lol

[woven charm]

I just died literally one or 2 hits from beating hades on 16 heat for the first time hahaha hate my life didn't know who to tell so joined this dis lol

I got too greedy x

[crystal star]

Dont use em4

[mint coral]

They didn't say that they were using em4?

[signal aspen]

dont use em4

[runic jungle]

I managed to make it to the hades boss! Didn't make it bc health was too low but I actually feel like I can beat him.
This honestly feels so wild, the more I play this game the more I love it lol.

[jagged hamlet]

It's fun because Hades fights kinda like you do (with Varatha), but bigger

[upper wolf]

Hmm, I decided to try a 32 heat run again

The good news is that I didn't struggle in elysium

The bad news is that I died on lernie twice

[jagged hamlet]

You must've longed to hear the sound of Lernie's hiss a bit too much

[upper wolf]

I might have u_u

99% of lernie's kit is entirely ok, but then she starts bonking the ground and I instantly explode

[stiff obsidian]

where can i find highest heat runs for each aspect?

[signal aspen]

pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[stiff obsidian]

thanks

[short glen]

Me when lernie covers 90% of the arena in lava

[signal aspen]

i think angel doesnt submit her runs there

also i dont think theres an eris 62

[runic jungle]

I've started to notice that a lot of the floors are more difficult than the actual bosses lol.
Hate those stupid butterfly things the most rn

[signal aspen]

actually nvm there is an eris 62

[stiff obsidian]

where can i find it

somewhere

[runic jungle]

Seems like zeus and demeter gives the best boons.
Always cheese the game whenever I get the lightning chain attack lol
And chill actually seems usefulish

[runic jungle]

Question
How many phases of the hades battle is there?

[mint coral]

2

[runic jungle]

Ooh if the case then I'm mighty close to beating him then!
Got him low health 2nd phase last time but ran out of death defiance lol

[vale oak]

is deep pockets > golden touch? what do people usually run

[mint coral]

yeah

[tall knot]

what do i do when bouldy companion drops outside of bounds and i cant reach the rewards?

[mint coral]

nothing you can do

[tall knot]

damn

[heady monolith]

this is a tough choice...

i have purple divine dash but have the choice to get heroic hunter dash+ i have the hammer that gives dash attack more dmg on stygian blade

[hidden zephyr]

what do those do?

[heady monolith]

what do u guys think

[gray apex]

Hunter Dash is better if you’re good at playing sword

It’s also riskier

[heady monolith]

im at styx too so i guess divine dash did its job

[mint coral]

+100 gold/+15% of your gold is added at the nd of biome (I think is 15%?)

[hidden zephyr]

keep divine dash if you suck at dodging

[heady monolith]

ill go hunter

heroic is too good to miss with my build

i might have messed up by going for the trap heat modifier on my heat 1 run...i have a 4 win streak so far and i guess thats already over

the chainsaws in styx obliterated me literally took 3 of my death defiance and then

the satyr cultist was standing in the middle of 2 spawns

[jagged hamlet]

100%

[heady monolith]

all of my heat 1 runs are with that modifier i never had an issue until i ended up in that scenario

most of the time i only lose one death defiance and its against hades

now its all of em b4 hades

[mint coral]

That's why we don't take heightened security

[heady monolith]

this is what i get for using stygian blade aspect of zag

i didnt like how the story forced me into maxing it so i thought id try it

but half the time im hitting air because that movement speed is uncontrollable

[jagged hamlet]

I used to have that problem too, but I was advised to slow down and aim a bit with my dash-strikes

[hidden zephyr]

I usually use aspect of nemesis cus critical hits go brrr

[runic jungle]

Gotta say godmode feels like it really does nothing lol.
64% and it still feels the same as always

[hidden zephyr]

maybe the real godmode was the friends we made along the way

[heady monolith]

ffs

[heady monolith]

yeah same i was too dumb to give such a garbage weapon a chance

i used supernova and the green pots he plants hit me for 150hp

[hidden zephyr]

I just spam cast until they're gone

or until he breaks them himself

[runic jungle]

Cast doesn't seem fun to use at all ngl.
I guess that could depend on the boon though
I often just spam the main attack

[jagged hamlet]

64% sounds like a ton

[runic jungle]

It does feel like a ton but I legit can't tell any difference from when I was at 0% lol

[heady monolith]

guys whats up with the red gate that asks for 5 heat, am i supposed to have the run on 5 heat to access it or will it unlock whenever i beat 5 heat?

whats a good boon from aphrodite aside of her call

i find her so horrible especially since her curse is decreasing enemy dmg\

[jagged hamlet]

Both her attack and special boons on weapons with strong attacks

[heady monolith]

so its about the multiplier not the effect

[jagged hamlet]

Aphrodite cast is quite usable with Hera bow, so there's that too

[latent moon]

even if you are trying to do a hitless run you'd still take aphrodite for her big % lmao

[heady monolith]

how long does it take to unlock hidden aspetcs, im almost at 28 hrs with none unlocked

wanna unlock the fists since thats the only good fist aspect apparently

[mint coral]

you need hidden spear first

all methods are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

but short version for spear, unlock 5 non zag aspects then wait for achilles

[grim fern]

But ... twin fists hidden aspect is not widely considered good. Can certainly do some cool things.

[mint coral]

needs minor list of prophecies and have reached dad once

[jagged hamlet]

I like the hidden fists for being chunky on all its attacks minus dash-strike

[grim fern]

The 'best' fist aspect both in terms of ease of use and overall power would be Demeter.

If you don't like fists playstyle that's totally fine. They're riskier weapons in that you take more damage just by being up close. But they feel fast and you get to dash around and have a nice flow to them I guess.

[heady monolith]

Idk that's what Google says

What even a good fist then

It's not me hating the playstyle of it, it's more that none of the effects seem to be major

[tall knot]

my game just froze on the controls screen as I was trying to remap the reload button. Now the game wont respond to any input. Please help. Im worried if i force close i will lose all of my progress

[heady monolith]

At this point i bully dad and as for achilles, ever since he got to ambriosa level i never got the opportunity to give him one

[tall knot]

is there anything i can do?

[runic jungle]

Omg I did it
I beat hades finally!!
dionysus aid is actually kinda wild
Didn't think hangover could do so much damage lol

[tall knot]

can anyone help please? im desperate, this is the highest heat run ive done and i have an amazing setup

[grim fern]

The game does save in every new room. It's possible that you won't lose any/much progress on that run with a crash

[tall knot]

so i should force quit?

[grim fern]

I would maybe ask a second opinion first. Also, are you on PC? Can you see that the game is not responding in task manager?

[tall knot]

i am on steam deck. Honestly i dont know how to access the task manager

[jagged hamlet]

If you force quit, you'll likely start back at the house. The plus side is that the start of the run will be similar to what you've seen

[grim fern]

Ah. I haven't used a steam deck so I can't help you there. I would force quit but I am not you.

[tall knot]

i see, drat. Oh well... i guess its my only option

[void vigil]

in the future you could always ask in #h1-tech-support

[stone rune]

what did i miss

was there anything important last 3 days

[tall knot]

but its not like theres any alternative during a freeze right? the only choice is to force quit

[void vigil]

i wouldn't know, i dont play on steam deck

[grim fern]

Just 3 new pandemics and 2 world wars. Regular weekend.

[runic jungle]

I think I want to try and beat hades with all the weapons.
My only real concern is w the bow bc I absolutely suck at using it lol

[tall knot]

but like no matter the platform, if it froze on your platform, the only choice is to quit, no?

[latent moon]

There might've been a way to save progress with tempsav files I think

Not entirely sure of that tho

[tall knot]

i just tried it again after resetting (i did have to start all over btw) and it seems like when you try to change the controls for "reload" the game freezes. I tried it on the menu too and it froze again

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/hades2-melinoe-hecate-gif-27229675

[jagged hamlet]

Chaos and Zagshields are sooo slooooow 🐌

It's taking me massive amounts of effort to sub 3 Tartarus and sub like...6 Asphodel halp

[stone rune]

you're playing unmodded right

[formal orbit]

zag shield with pulverizing blow is quite fast

[stone rune]

not rlly

pulv blow kinda blows

[jagged hamlet]

Yeah. I tried it a few runs back, and it was a bit meh

[stone rune]

but like

[formal orbit]

I tried it with aphro attack

[stone rune]

modded chaos and zagshield still suck

[formal orbit]

feel quite nice at boss

[stone rune]

unmodded they are just like the worst aspects in the game for speed if you're not hammer resetting

cause gilga is still gilga without breaching cross

but chaos and zagshield literally cannot kill anything without cshot

and only just barely can with it

[jagged hamlet]

That's actually really comforting to hear because that means it's not my lack of skill

[wispy sinew]

Best build for luci?

[ionic hemlock]

Prob like any other w Zeus attack

and the infinite chamber hammer I guess if not a ramp up build

[wispy sinew]

Oh that be sick just firing beam non stop I didn't know there was rhat hammer. What's a ramp up build

[stone rune]

zeus attack

also dont take eternal chamber

[stone rune]

ramp up build is where you take % attacks and center around the ramping damage

not very good

but eternal chamber is very useless

because you want to special every so often anyways

the best hammer is triple bomb by far

then piercing fire/targeting system

otherwise the hammer is pretty useless

triple beam is bad because it doesnt hit the same enemy multiple times

[wispy sinew]

I used triple bomb an fo like it just the idea of continue beam seems cool I got u tho

[stone rune]

and then you just want

artemis/aphrodite special

and divine dash for safety or tidal dash for damage

[wispy sinew]

The beam is weak af tho so will probably go with what u said

[stone rune]

cause the thing about luci is that you have very little safety

since you don't get any invincibility frames if you attack while dashing

so divine dash gets more value on it

[wispy sinew]

I see thanks I will go towards that

[stone rune]

its pretty bad

with ramp

if u mean with zeus attack then yeah

its good

[wispy sinew]

@brisk trail it is weak at base is what I mean

[stone rune]

well full clip is a lot of time

but yeah zeus is good

well you do 1 bomb

1 bomb + attacking for a lil while is enough

[wispy sinew]

Like I like the idea of luci but idk if I fully like it I will put zues on ans see if changes but the beam is cool but slow an weak

[stone rune]

The beam gets strong

once you get zeus atk

then its nice

and looks awesome

[wispy sinew]

I like the look of posiden on it. Reminds me of some dbz kinda thing.

[stone rune]

thats actually a funny category on speedrun.com

https://www.speedrun.com/hades_ce

supersoaker

[wispy sinew]

That's great 😆 and the hitless run sounds nuts

Also how to get speeder,cloner,and popper?

It could be mine also once I try zues on it the idea is nasty

[stone rune]

yeah

popper is the sword shield bow spear guys

[wispy sinew]

That whole mission you mean?

Thnx

[formal orbit]

Does explosive return on zeus proc flourish effect without the shield hitting?

[tepid light]

The explosive aoe itself, you mean? I don't believe so

[latent moon]

it does

catching it calls down the lightning

i'm also fairly certain explosive return gets buffed by % modifiers too

[tepid light]

I stand corrected, then

Could've sworn it didn't

[latent moon]

it definitely does, i remember a specific screenshot of angel being surprised that it does lmao

[vale oak]

is it okay to use lambent plume from asphodel instead of from beginning? or is it not worth it then. I want to try zag fists + lambent plume. but i also want zeus on attack, so i wanna start with zeus keepsake

[latent moon]

you lose roughly 12% dodge from tartarus (assuming you proc every room) and asphodel is pretty short, so imo not really

could honestly just reset runs until you get zeus start

it'll probably be fine but you're losing a significant amount by not starting with it

and elysium rooms can be quite long, so you might not get every proc there

[vale oak]

yea i could just wait for a zeus start good idea

[tall knot]

the legendary spear sucks

but i cant tell if the legendary bow is better than chiron. they both seem to work really well for me

[tepid light]

i agree, but inb4 jazz comes in with a defense for it

[tall knot]

which bow is better?

[tepid light]

obvs preference is important, but rama is generally viewed as a lot better than chiron

[jagged hamlet]

Rama is worlds stronger than Chiron in multitarget. Probably also in single-target, esp given similar hammer luck with both

[latent moon]

You need charged skewer for it to be usable lmao

Otherwise it's pretty garbage

Quick spin kinda works but it's still jank

[latent moon]

Rama is a lot stronger than chiron

Kills things faster

Just a larger learning curve

[jagged hamlet]

Charged Skewer Guan Yu can get a sub 10 run even under me!

[tall knot]

what is the right way to use it?

[latent moon]

Dash striking really lmao

The hard part is like

Learning the distance you need for an enemy

And I can't really tell you how to do that lmao

It's just more practice or watching better people play

[tepid light]

Dash striking is important for any bow, but especially rama

[latent moon]

Release early sometimes so you don't get hit stunned

Read the rama copy pasta

[tepid light]

I enjoy using Chiron just because it's versatile with both flat and % damage buffs, but Rama does it a lot better

It's just a little more cumbersome

[latent moon]

Clearing a wave with 1 attack is very fun lmao

[jagged hamlet]

Rama is just backwards Chiron, including how it requires you to play in melee range. Instead of attack into special, special into attack

Another thing that's backwards is that it does actual damage :v

[tepid light]

Until/unless you get a stackable debuff onto chiron special

Then things get funny

[jagged hamlet]

Oh yes. Or even just Relentless+Concentrated+Artemis/Aphrodite. Gets very spicy (in single target)

[tepid light]

I'm a fan of Demeter special on Chiron

Every special slows them to a crawl

[jagged hamlet]

Wait a second wait a second. Are some of Zag's cool one-liners stolen from Than? "Who dies next?", etc.

[tepid light]

That's certainly in character for him

[formal orbit]

Used that to instant meg hero with dc2, see jolted effect lingered on both of them

No wonder explosive return such a game changer

Leave lernie with only 1:30 time bank but ER first chamber in elysium carried even 3 sack

[stiff obsidian]

what does alectos rage do other than make screen red

[formal orbit]

From the wiki

Alecto has a Rage meter that fills during the fight, either through receiving damage or from her Build Rage ability. After the Rage meter is filled, Alecto becomes invulnerable for a very brief duration. She then rapidly increases her attack/movement speed and briefly unlocks all of her abilities, regardless of her current health. Her Lunge and Whip Arc attacks release volleys of projectiles, her Lightning Chase receives an increase to the rate of summons, and her Whip Shots become larger.

[stiff obsidian]

wow i dont know any of these

the only attack i know is the sawblade

[brisk trail]

woo! Finally had Ariadne's Yarn on me when I got to Theseus 😄 Been wanting that dialog for a long time, haha.

[sour fog]

there's two actually

if you do it a second time

[runic jungle]

Man I gotta say I love thanatos and zagreus's dynamic
and I lowkey ship him more with thanatos than with Meg
Though I find those random challenges hard to complete.
I swear thanatos be cheating most of the time lol

[formal orbit]

TIL If you got a full athena call while dusa is in the chamber, you get some special dusa voicelines

I got "Careful with that one" and "Athena helping you?"

[vale oak]

trying eris rail for the first time

how does rocket bomb work

do i just need to be close to the bomb?

[stone rune]

yea

[vale oak]

hmm should i avoid it? feels kinda bad. I'm not getting the buff consistently

[raw herald]

It’s good

[stone rune]

best first hammer

[mint coral]

Just hug your enemy/wall and shoot the special

[snow prism]

Hey, I have a question regarding unlocking the hidden aspects. I've been trying to get "Weapon of Fate" achievement. I'm unable to unlock the first hidden aspect. I've beaten the game many times, I've spent well above 5 titan bloods across all weapons (excluding Aspect of Zagreus) but Achilles won't mention the hidden aspect at all. I thought it's blocked because of some other storyline but for my last 3 clears, there wasn't even a talk option with him. Am I missing something?

[mint coral]

That's just an rng issue sadly.
And just to specify, hidden spear is unlocking 5 nom zag aspects

[snow prism]

edit: I have unlocked 5 aspects*, not 5 titan blood. My bad

[mint coral]

Oh

Yeah just bad rng

[snow prism]

That's just sad then :/, thank you

[mint coral]

If you want to rush it, just turning on ri4/HS in the pact to die quicker can work

Otherwise it'll just happen eventually

[snow prism]

Nah, I don't want to cheese it until I'm desperate

[sinful topaz]

Do Chaos curses count as being hit in Erebus?

[gray apex]

No

[last veldt]

You mean if you get damage from using a cursed attack? No idea.

[stone rune]

mike says no therefore answer is no

[knotty glacier]

No, saw it some dude's stream

[last veldt]

I guess the dialogue does say to not get hit.

Rather than to not take damage

[knotty glacier]

dad only laughs when you get hit by minions

when you ||self-harm|| he doesnt even notice

well.. thats kinda dark

but zagreus is a "prince" of blood so its ok

[stone rune]

realistic father-son relationship

[knotty glacier]

there's also realistic zeus

who was to blame for all infidelity

i think all gods have a distinct personality and thats awesome, but also greeks made sure they described them in detail so i suppose its to be expected\

[jagged hamlet]

They aren't very nice, but at least they're kinda relatable

[knotty glacier]

greek gods are just the reflection of human nature, put on a pedestal

[hidden zephyr]

Zeus 💀

[jagged hamlet]

Scale up toddlers and give them all the power in da world

[upper wolf]

I must refrain from making a political commentary on the structure of power

I will go try to get a rail 32 heat win

I should be too beaten up to think once I'm done getting my ass beaten

[jagged hamlet]

Hopefully not if you use Hestia! The thing's so good it got me the 32 heat clear on my first go!

[strong ridge]

bingo dingo

[pallid flare]

What’s the best spear aspect?

[stone rune]

achilles

[pallid flare]

Wdym 32 heat?

[latent moon]

have you beaten the game yet?

[pallid flare]

No

[latent moon]

you should consider sticking to #h1-for-new-players so you dont see any spoilers

[pallid flare]

Why would I even be playing if I already beat it?

[latent moon]

because clearing a run doesn't finish the story

[pallid flare]

There’s story?

[latent moon]

do you skip dialogue

the game won an award for the story lmfao

[pallid flare]

Yes, it’s a roguelite not a visual novel

[jagged hamlet]

[latent moon]

welp

that's on you then lmfao

[wary iron]

He’s missing like 70% of the fun

[mint coral]

New bigp incoming

[latent moon]

i thought bigp just downloaded a max save

[mint coral]

Not like they know the plot

[latent moon]

either way, if you think you'll be satisfied with clearing 1 run, then sure that's your preference

main story ends at 10 wins, then epilogue takes however many runs

heat is a mechanic that lets you increase the difficulty of the run and you get like 12 options or something

unlocked after you first win

but since you dont seem interested in clearing more than 1 run then i guess it doesn't matter lmao

[mint coral]

You could argue is a visual novel tbh

[latent moon]

that's actually true lmao

no reason game can't be both

[mint coral]

Not my favorite story from sgg but still is great

[pallid flare]

Roguelites/roguelikes are supposed to reset after every run so it makes no sense to have a story

[grand lotus]

dawg

[latent moon]

not necessarily

[jagged hamlet]

I'm so horrified rn ngl

[latent moon]

there's no rule saying that roguelites/roguelikes can't have a story

[mint coral]

Most roguelites I've played have some sort of plot

[wary iron]

How is he still having fun while playing these games? Is he just playing them to say that he did?

[latent moon]

and yeah there's generally some sort of plot, whether it be explicit or implicit

[pallid flare]

But if the world resets it makes no sense to have a story

[mint coral]

Difference is that Hades builts on it

[grand lotus]

the world doesnt reset, rather zag just dies and the story continues. dying is a part of the story

[latent moon]

if you payed attention to the dialogue, you'd realize that the "world" doesn't reset lol

or like payed attention to anything at all besides just the gameplay lol

[pallid flare]

Then how does everything change each run?

[mint coral]

A few famous roguelikes also have lore on why runs keeps happening

[grand lotus]

mirror upgrades, heat upgrades. just keep playing and you'll understand

also maybe dont skip the dialogue?? lol

[latent moon]

the story doesn't change throughout the run

[mint coral]

See: enter the gungeon for example

[latent moon]

slay the spire

[mint coral]

The underworld is a big place, and ever changing as told on one of the narrator dialogues

[pallid flare]

There is no reason for a roguelite/roguelike to have dialogue in the first place

[grand lotus]

what

[mint coral]

But there is dialogue here

And is clearly trying to tell a story so

[wary iron]

There’s also no reason for any game to have dialogue, but here we are

[latent moon]

roguelike/roguelite games aren't forced to have no dialogue lmao

there's a pretty damn good reason for this game to have dialogue

helps set the scene, gives reasoning to everything, world building

[grand lotus]

facts

[mint coral]

Is no joke to say sgg prob wanted to tell the story first, gameplay second

[jagged hamlet]

If Crypt of the Necrodancer can have a story, then a SSG rougelite will def have a story

[stone rune]

you can tell because u cant roll hammers

society if u could roll hammers

[latent moon]

lmfao

[mint coral]

Travel to the universe where they got Hephaestus as the hammer giver lol

[latent moon]

hell yeah 5% more fam favs damage

[jagged hamlet]

I'm really happy jazz keeps praising Beowulf since it led to me eventually getting pretty darn okay at the two cast-loading castpects

[grand lotus]

patroclus makes me so angry
its like he knows when I need death defiances and then chooses not to show up

[grand lotus]

the only cast-loading aspect i can use is hera

[jagged hamlet]

Beowulf is pretty similar to Hera, but slower and stronger! Just gotta dash-strike+cast just as you do with Hera

[mint coral]

Buggy hera

[knotty glacier]

you come off as a troll a bit, ngl

[pallid flare]

How?

[knotty glacier]

The game clearly puts a lot of detail into dialogues, and you skip them because you THINK its not important because you dont expect it to be?

[pallid flare]

A roguelite isn’t the right genre to tell a story

[knotty glacier]

Can you imagine if a developer made a great story narrative in the genre that isnt right for it?

thats even more difficult than making it in the 'correct' genre

[latent moon]

Says who lmao

Just because most don't doesn't mean you can't do that

[pallid flare]

And from what I saw in the beginning of the game, the diaglogue is very poorly written

[grand lotus]

aint no way

dawg you skipped all the dialogue how can you tell if its bad or not

[stone rune]

bait

[knotty glacier]

may i know the example of that poorly written dialogue, before we jump to conclusions?

[knotty glacier]

i think so too but lets see how far it goes

[pallid flare]

Reread what I just said

[pallid flare]

I don’t remember exactly what was said

[knotty glacier]

convenient

[grand lotus]

thats the beginning of the game lol all the characters do is introduce themselves/set up exposition

[jagged hamlet]

Man. I really like the prose in Hades

[knotty glacier]

oml what word was censored

oh, the s word

[jagged hamlet]

Dyno like

[knotty glacier]

ok

[grand lotus]

bro clearly hasnt gotten to the achilles onion dialogue yet

[latent moon]

I mean it doesn't really matter whether you like the writing or not, that's personal preference

[pallid flare]

Whar?

[grand lotus]

exactly

[latent moon]

The main issue is that "roguelikes/roguelites shouldn't have a story" is just wrong lmao

Most people like the story, some don't like the story, some don't care about the story and that's fine and all, but saying a genre shouldn't have a story is just weird lmao

[jagged hamlet]

Is like disapproving of the story in Half Life

[knotty glacier]

story can be told through any medium, it depends on the skill of the creator

[grand lotus]

i actually really like the writing in hades

[latent moon]

Fps games also don't need a story for you to enjoy the gameplay lmao

[grand lotus]

its not the most original concept to include the player dying as a part of the game but i like how it was done

• the amount of dialogue and sideplots is insane

[knotty glacier]

AND its lore-accurate

which is extra points

[grand lotus]

facts

[jagged hamlet]

I like how everything has a reason for existing in-world

[latent moon]

It's 2 of those

|| on each side

[grand lotus]

ty

sorry about that 😭

that one ||achilles/patroclus|| storyline had me going to elysium for the sole purpose of completing the quest 😭

[knotty glacier]

this is spoiler friendly channel though

[grand lotus]

oh word

whatever

[latent moon]

Highlighting and right clicking or whatever it is on mobile will give you a spoiler option as well

[jagged hamlet]

Surely you mean Sexy Eeyore

[grand lotus]

real

[upper wolf]

ngl achilles/pat is n°1 couple in the game, with hades/perse being n°2 and the godly threesome being a far below n°3

Theseus and Asterius are just roommates

Oh I forgot about the poet and his muse. Huhhh n°3 I guess ? And zag&co n°4 then ?

[grand lotus]

real

i feel like orpheus and eurydice didnt get enough attention tho

[upper wolf]

same

[jagged hamlet]

Excuse you Bouldy & Sisyphus

[upper wolf]

I feel like the characters are more interesting separately than together

[grand lotus]

maybe it makes sense that they didnt get a summon but im still salty about it either way

[upper wolf]

Bouldy and Sisyphus are not a couple, they're above that

They're, like, a symbiosis. A single being in two bodies

[grand lotus]

prime mortal connection

immortal tbh

[jagged hamlet]

Oh, couples. Gotcha

[grand lotus]

ok but fr why do orpheus and eurydice have like 0 in game content together

[upper wolf]

it's weird yeah

I never really noticed because they're great characters in their own rights

But I really don't see the chemistry between them. Though I guess I don't see the chemistry between zag & meg either

[grand lotus]

i see the chemistry in both but like their relationship just feels so ignored

[jagged hamlet]

No chemistry, only song

[upper wolf]

friends with benefits. The benefits are sick ass music

[jagged hamlet]

"In the Blood" stuns me every time it hits me in Asphodel

Thank SGG for pausing the timer in friend rooms

[upper wolf]

bruh

I just boot up my save

I was in asphodel

I straight up died as soon as it loaded

zag spent the whole time diving into the lava

bruh <_<

[mint coral]

In the blood is so good

Well all the vocal tracks are

[upper wolf]

[jagged hamlet]

Wannabe sea creature smh

[upper wolf]

I swear I wasn't in the lava when I left the game

Zag just decided to cha cha real smooth his way back to the house when I wasn't looking

[latent moon]

i think when the game saves it doesn't take the location when you finish the room, it takes it a bit after

so you might end up in lava lmao

that happened to me before when i quit out mid run and when i loaded in i was striaght up in lava

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is this too jank of a system to rank aspects lmao

[jagged hamlet]

Does exiting in a non-timer, non-transition room then reloading the save lose a few seconds?

[latent moon]

first is speed, second is heat, third is overall

[latent moon]

possibly, but also like quiting out of a room disqualifies the run from being legal lmao

prob does lose a few seconds tho

loading into the game i think runs the timer but you can't move? not sure on that tho

[jagged hamlet]

Thanks. I'm okay being a criminal if I miss seeing a Chaos gate or summat like on the first go

[latent moon]

fair lmao

if you dont plan on submitting just do whatever

[latent moon]

disclaimer on this: every aspect can get a sub7 (most have sub6) and can clear 40 heat (all have cleared 55+) comfortably, this is more for like "how easy would it be if i did speed/heat compared to other aspects considering their strengths"

[jagged hamlet]

Sometimes I just need a few attempts to land Meg's summon on all the minibosses >.<

[latent moon]

which ones do you struggle with?

[jagged hamlet]

Bombers, witches, Bull+King (not miniboss, but still)

[latent moon]

bombers is hard yeah

witches is a bit difficult but the line up makes sense

for heroes, tap up then hit summon

use the dpad if you're on controller

kbm, just hit w

that should always hit

bombers is pretty variable, witches is generally more consistent

[stone rune]

just been informed by reddit that a 1:02 dad is fast actually

in the context of a build centering around artemis call

[latent moon]

i mean 1:02 for a casual player is pretty fast

[stone rune]

they were talking about for speedruns

[latent moon]

in the context of speedruns that's probably like

average for a casual speedrunner lmao

[stone rune]

1:02 is like no scaling achilles tier time

[latent moon]

like i'd be content with a 1 min dad call if it's on an aspect i suck at

i mean what are they shooting for

[stone rune]

it was in the context of like

a call build being viable with arty

[latent moon]

oh def not

[stone rune]

which is like

???

[latent moon]

arty call build is just a "nuke the boss build"

[stone rune]

truly obscene

but u dont actually get to nuke them

[latent moon]

when most of the time loss is coming from normal rooms

[stone rune]

because you have to hit the boss a million times first

[latent moon]

well you generally get 1 big call in dad fight

[latent moon]

not really

[stone rune]

yeah they meant the majority of the damage coming from call

[latent moon]

beo gets a full call pretty consistently

[stone rune]

not just one full call

[latent moon]

if they're getting multiple full calls it's probably like idk

flurry achilles lmao

[stone rune]

eris has good call build

but eris also kills enemies

[latent moon]

oh yeah or eris

also jazz

[stone rune]

speaking of eris dad

[latent moon]

what're your thoughts on this

[stone rune]

try this savestate

#787779451865399368 message

grey rd clockets

[stone rune]

is this like

[latent moon]

speed, heat, overall

[stone rune]

speed heat and both

[latent moon]

i made it without thinking too much

yeah

[stone rune]

put zagspear to B for speed

[latent moon]

i've just mostly been curious at like overall standings because people always ask/talk about it

[latent moon]

is flurry jab spam just good lmao

ik it has a 5:25 but also like

[stone rune]

yeah i think its like

just the idea of being able to 5:25 in not hypermodded makes it not lowest tier

[latent moon]

1 off runs don't inherently make an aspect good lmao every aspect can do that given the right seed/conditions

[stone rune]

cause like

the other trash cant do that

[latent moon]

true but i'm not comparing it to other spears, this is more like overall

[stone rune]

ig

[latent moon]

like give an average player flurry jab zag spear, how well do they do

[stone rune]

id also maybe knock zagrail down one

[latent moon]

speed wise

[stone rune]

for speed

[latent moon]

spread fire not good?

[stone rune]

wr is bad eris

[latent moon]

or even just bad eris?

oh lmao

[stone rune]

but it's 5:37

i think

cgull has 5:40 spread

i just watched that today

cool run

[latent moon]

i mean ME and bad eris work well

[stone rune]

sad styxdad tho

yeah ig

[latent moon]

i could see it being B tho

[stone rune]

also i think rama goes down 1 ngl

for speed

its kinda like zagspear

[latent moon]

but like comparing it to stuff in B, idk if zag rail should be there lmao

[stone rune]

one off cracked runs

[latent moon]

grizz has been getting a lot of low 6s tho

[stone rune]

but nnevic said that a rama sub6 is a "very low 5" seed on a good aspect

[latent moon]

oh i guess average player

yeah fair

certainly good but like you need a lot

[stone rune]

otherwise yeah

looks good

althoutgh

sleep refers to the group of beo hera achilles hestia eris as s tier for speed

theres ofc the divide between the 2

but like

hestia def a tier above rama

oh yeah put GY down to b for speed

its kinda ass

[latent moon]

is heat good?

heat felt more straightforward

[stone rune]

i think

zagshield up

and zagbow and zagrail are dubious

but i guess fine

[wispy sinew]

Should I get darker thirst or wait and get vanquisher keep

[latent moon]

What does darker thirst do lmao

[wispy sinew]

Added gem percent vs vanquisher keep that rewards gems for after boss

[latent moon]

Probably vanquisher keep

That's more consistent

[wispy sinew]

Ok will do. 100% this game is getting frustrating 😆

[jagged hamlet]

How's that? Are you pushing heat?

[wispy sinew]

I'm doing 5 heat rn just for the one mission along with getting all boons then when I was getting close I accidentally took Charon money...

[jagged hamlet]

Ah, I see. "Accidentally" 😉

[wispy sinew]

No lol legit accident also didn't help I was using guan and currently had 15 health

[heady monolith]

cthonic vitality or dark regen?

[jagged hamlet]

Chthonic

[heady monolith]

thick skin or high confidence?

[wispy sinew]

High confidence imo

[latent moon]

Thick skin is better nearly always

High confidence only use is for speedrunning

More hp is just better lmao

[wispy sinew]

You don't really need 50 extra health imo

[heady monolith]

privileged status or family favorite?

[latent moon]

I mean depends what kind of player you are

[latent moon]

Fam favs

Like 98% of the time

[heady monolith]

y?

its easy to get 2 curses

[stone rune]

pstatus doesnt apply to first or second hit

pstatus often requires taking boons you don't want to take

fam fav is up instantly while pstatus takes a while

[latent moon]

Or makes you do weird combos to get more damage

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

Because sometimes you don't get the right boons

[stone rune]

if u have to press buttons u dont want to press to get pstatus that's bad

[latent moon]

Or you just take bad boons to force pstatus damage

[heady monolith]

but how? having demeter if u take dmg u insta max frost and then any aphrodite( usually u want her on normal atk for big dmg) gives u 2 curses no?

[stone rune]

well

you dont always want aph atk

frozen touch requires getting hit

so it only applies to enemies you get hit by

[heady monolith]

y not

[latent moon]

Fists attack lol

[stone rune]

you might not be playing one of the few weapons that you want aph atk on

[latent moon]

100% more damage on base 15 lol

[stone rune]

rail fists spear

[heady monolith]

we're in an awkward position, whats wrong with fist attack?

[stone rune]

aph attack on fists is

[latent moon]

Low base damage

[heady monolith]

my most recent run was a fist atk main

[stone rune]

7 extra damage

[heady monolith]

not an uppercut one

[stone rune]

zeus attack on fists is

[heady monolith]

o

[stone rune]

a lot better

or ares

or dio

it has low base damage and high hit frequency

so you want flat damage

[latent moon]

% modifiers don't have extra scaling options other than poms

And that has diminishing returns

Zeus has jolted

Ares has ME and impending

Dio has linear pom scaling

Flat damage is just a lot better for low base damage components

If you want % damage to work on low base damage attacks, you need a super high % modifier lmao

So chaos and Rd + ichors

And your early game is kinda gonna suck until you get that stuff running assuming you get it

[heady monolith]

Ic

Are there certain boon rewards that are removed from the list for a run?

[wispy sinew]

How do ik what rooms to alter for Looking for specific things? Like is there a list

[heady monolith]

I somehow got 7 athena boons and none were dash even though i didnt have a dash

[mint coral]

some duos/hammers can be blocked by others but other than that, no

[mint coral]

were all the other cores filled?

[heady monolith]

Also is the first boon list fixed for a certain escape? Because i tried athena keepsake, the list was atk special cast so i gave up and went in again and got the same list, that cant be rng

[heady monolith]

Quite the opposite

[mint coral]

giving up keeps your seed so yeah, they'll be the same no matter how many times you try

[mint coral]

(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

filling cores will make finding the one you want easier

[mint coral]

(to refresh the seed either die or complete a run, in other words, die lmao)

[heady monolith]

I was filling cores but wasnt taking any dashes cause i felt like exchanges would make it rarer

[heady monolith]

Yeah…this is why i never attempted to use boon keepsakes

By the end of it i was using a heroic athena normal atk for fists

Worked surprisingly well ngl, them satyrs had to eat up that poison dart they sent my way

I had an all out normal atk build with extra range, faster punches, increased dmg for consecutive hits

[mint coral]

% boons on fists

sounds safe at least lol

[heady monolith]

Hades was about to have a knuckle sandwich but that was the run where he decided to ||let me go||

[mint coral]

classic

[heady monolith]

My boons were poseidon hermes aphrodite athena, no dionysus/zeus/ares/artemis in this run

[stone rune]

the nyaanyaa special

[heady monolith]

Funniest part is that zag questioned if he’s running from a beating

Im tired of holding onto ambriosa for achilles…when will i get the option to gift him

Meanwhile skelly is just staring at my stash waiting for one

[mint coral]

solve his relationship issues

[heady monolith]

Same goes with cerb, its been so long yet i cant give him the amb yet

[signal aspen]

you have to pet cerb 20 times

[jagged hamlet]

Gotta keep on talkin' to Archilles and Patroclus

[heady monolith]

So i guess i have to force myself into going to the that room again? With eurydice i do it bc its worth it but as for his friend he doesnt offer much

[jagged hamlet]

Whaaat his buffs are so good

[grand lotus]

wdym patroclus is a life saver

[heady monolith]

Theres no way im not there yet, i always pet em everytime i talk to em incase thats the condition

[signal aspen]

literally a free room

[heady monolith]

I only go there when im missing a death defiance and thats rare cause i only start losing them by theseus fight

As for the 60% dmg boost, im not a fan of the fact that its only for 6 encounters when idk how many more encounters ill have until the boss

So i dont see much value in that

I forgot what the third option is since i dont think i ever picked it

[signal aspen]

it gives you 45% health per room or something

[grand lotus]

health buff

[heady monolith]

Like sure ill pick him over coin or a level up but not a boon/hammer/charon

[heady monolith]

Oh yeah the healing

[mint coral]

ely boss is always on ch36

ch34 being the last combat

(unless erebus/chaos shenanigans)

[heady monolith]

how can i tell where i am, i just kill and walk through a door

[mint coral]

press B on kbm/ - on controller

top right corner

[heady monolith]

U mean to tell me that i just completed the storyline and just learned about that..

[grand lotus]

LMAO

[heady monolith]

well, ig i was never a fan of encounter based items so, fair enough

[grand lotus]

i literally never use passive items i dont see the point

[mint coral]

you all haven't used charon's keepsake and it shows

[heady monolith]

Same, only when i have extra coin and theres a charon pot

I like the 15% hp per encounter, saves me but very rare

[grand lotus]

i mean unless i know im going into a boss within the time frame i like
never buy passive stuff

[heady monolith]

Most of the time i get the cheap 10% chance to drop food from kills

Quite useless

[grand lotus]

oh yea health stuff is good i buy those

[mint coral]

hydralite is great, if using stubborn defiance you have touch of styx

cast builds are the ones that benefit the most from charon items

[grand lotus]

true

[mint coral]

+50% dmg for 20 coins lmao

[heady monolith]

Oh yeah, the one that replenishes death defiance is great but out of all times I’ve seen it, i was only able to afford it in time of need twice

[mint coral]

more on the funny side but stacking stygian shards is amazing

[heady monolith]

Yeah, makes sense why i dont bother

Just not a fan of casts

[mint coral]

3k dmg by buying 2 of them by an enemy touching a trap

[heady monolith]

Most of my recent runs dont even have a boon’d cast

Yeah i mainly cast for boiling blood purposes

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/889080698621804614/ShardBull.mp4

[jagged hamlet]

Late, but encounter-based items are pretty stinking strong

[heady monolith]

Wait…

Oh yeah megaera does have a cthonic support

Still havent worked on her friendship

Just got on that today and gave her 2 nectars

What does it do?

I only have the skelly one and it does wonders against theseus cause he’s quite the dumbass

[mint coral]

2.5k dmg to enemies in a line perpendicular to zag

[heady monolith]

Once his second phase starts i throw it far and just spam backstab on theseus, the boon casts he has are always on the taunt instead of me

[mint coral]

enough dmg to remove most mini-bosses armor

[heady monolith]

woa, basically aphro’s call

[signal aspen]

aphros call but it can hit multiple enemies

[heady monolith]

Speaking of calls what are some amazing ones? Ive come to realize that i dont usually take them

[mint coral]

except anthony rat/big laser in styx

[latent moon]

Dio and zeus

[signal aspen]

ares

[latent moon]

Ares is great because it's diy hunting blades (it is very bad)

[heady monolith]

I tried zeus once and it pissed me off against hades, almost never hit him

Tried artemis, quite disappointing

[grand lotus]

u just gotta stay close to him

[heady monolith]

I like poseidon but its kinda rare

[grand lotus]

artemis greater call is good but not really worth it

[heady monolith]

Was using adamant rail

[latent moon]

Artemis needs a full call with a few poms iirc

[grand lotus]

ah

[mint coral]

rail is a melee aspect

[heady monolith]

no u

[latent moon]

This is unironically not a joke btw lol

Most aspects play close-mid range

[heady monolith]

what else did i try…

Aphro is nice only if max call

[latent moon]

Athena is pretty good

[heady monolith]

Athena…sure for invincibility rather than deflection

[mint coral]

sigil of the dad is good for speedruns but you don't have it yet

[heady monolith]

Never used ares dio….used demeter but it wasnt that good

[grand lotus]

sigil is like

idk

its alright

[mint coral]

+100% dmg is kinda good

[latent moon]

Zeus/dio

Athena

Aphrodite
Artemis
Poseidon
Demeter

Ares

[heady monolith]

What other call is there

[latent moon]

I made a ranking of all calls a bit ago lol

[grand lotus]

justice for ares

[mint coral]

no

[signal aspen]

i wish ares had a call

[latent moon]

Sigil is like below or equal Zeus/dio

[heady monolith]

I assume ares best or…?

[latent moon]

Nope

Top to bottom is best to worst

[heady monolith]

Damn ares worst call?

[latent moon]

Yeah

[grand lotus]

ares is good when you have the legendary guys trust 🙏

[mint coral]

poor dmg and you are left wide open

[signal aspen]

isnt the legendary glitched with the call

[heady monolith]

Ought to try dio ig, screw zeus’ call

[mint coral]

on call it works correctly

the rest is +1/+0 if flare lmfao

[signal aspen]

[latent moon]

Zeus call is technically better than Dio lol

Needs more stuff tho for scaling but it can get stupid damage

[heady monolith]

I dont like how it hits me without giving me invincibility

[mint coral]

also even if you don't find the good calls, still take one

all calls have iframes on activation

[heady monolith]

I have to be hugging hades

[signal aspen]

the range isnt that bad

[latent moon]

Not really just be near him

[signal aspen]

and you should be close to him anyways

[heady monolith]

no u

[wispy sinew]

Idk I'd say dio wins plus his is cooler than zues

[heady monolith]

I dont like being spat on by burning blood

[mint coral]

just time your dashes then

[latent moon]

Well we are close to him. That's how we're getting damage with those calls lmao

[heady monolith]

Alsoi have to traverse to break the skulls

[latent moon]

Could dodge through the waves

[grand lotus]

tbh

sometimes its better to ignore the skulls

[heady monolith]

Poseidon is nice bc its big dmg while having invincibility

[grand lotus]

like if ur close to them or if theres a lot then sure but otherwise it really isnt worth it

[mint coral]

oh yeah last thing about charon's well items that I forgot to say

[heady monolith]

And its not in a fire rate form

[mint coral]

if you have rush delivery, buy ichors like there's no tomorrow

[grand lotus]

the thing i dont like about poseidon is that its not that great for bosses

[mint coral]

have fun with the speed

[heady monolith]

I hate rush deliver you cause how am I gonna turn speed to dmg when i have no speed boons

[grand lotus]

get speed boons

lol

[heady monolith]

Feel like it should be locked behind the movement speed boon

[mint coral]

how are you getting RD without speed bonus

[stone rune]

it is

lol

[mint coral]

lmao

[heady monolith]

Its not

[mint coral]

it is

[stone rune]

it is

[latent moon]

Speed boons are prereqs

[heady monolith]

Most of the time i see it without having movement speed

[stone rune]

are you using plume

[latent moon]

Why are you using plume

[heady monolith]

Does atk speed count?

[mint coral]

plume is a speed bonus

[grand lotus]

youre kinda bound to get some kind of speed boost when playing

[stone rune]

not rlly

[heady monolith]

Not using plume no

[stone rune]

you have to take haste swind or sprint

[mint coral]

you need greater haste, hyper sprint or plume

[latent moon]

Then you're remembering wrong lol

[stone rune]

is swind a prereq

[mint coral]

second wind doesn't work

[heady monolith]

Most of the time i take dashes or atk speed from him

[stone rune]

then haste sprint or plume

[heady monolith]

Is haste sprint the flash one.

Getting sturdy

[latent moon]

You seeing Rd without any of those is just misremembering lmao

[latent moon]

It's just a base increase

Hyper sprint is the nyoom one with sturdy

[grand lotus]

are some duos rarer than others or do i just have terrible luck

[mint coral]

luck issue

[latent moon]

Terrible luck

[grand lotus]

💀

[latent moon]

Try getting the boons next time

[heady monolith]

Hen maybe its hypersprint giving me rushing delivery

[latent moon]

Yeah it's definitely that@lmao

[signal aspen]

how unfortunate

[heady monolith]

But still like thats useless

[latent moon]

Bruh

[signal aspen]

hypersprint with rush delivery :ooo:

[stone rune]

zawg

[signal aspen]

i hate 50% more damage on everything

[heady monolith]

Here u go a dmg boost for 0.6 seconds

[stone rune]

it’s literally a free 50 to 100% damage boost

[latent moon]

50/75/100 global damage boost is the best damage you're gonna get

[stone rune]

with permanent uptime

[latent moon]

You're always dash striking

[stone rune]

assuming you are pressing your dash button like you’re supposed to

[latent moon]

And dashing

[heady monolith]

If im dash striking im not really getting the nyoom part

Does it still count regardless?

[latent moon]

Yes you are

[heady monolith]

[latent moon]

When you hit the attack button while you dash, your dash distance ends immediately

The attack and speed boost come right after that so you'll get the damage boost

[heady monolith]

[latent moon]

This is why you want to empty dash to dodge instead of dash striking, so you keep full iframes

[jagged hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1155969295000539208/20230925134815_1.jpg

[latent moon]

Heroic Rd my beloved (I've never had it before)

[signal aspen]

i got it like once

[stone rune]

i haven’t in like months of beo playing

[heady monolith]

How do u even land a heroic

[stone rune]

had it a few times before that

[signal aspen]

buy hades premium

[jagged hamlet]

It changed my life. It also prevented me from finding any Ichors LOL

[heady monolith]

I went from epic aphrodite atk to heroic athena atk exchange option

[latent moon]

Rare crop, Eurydice, or replacement

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1156035428286218381/IMG_1864.png?ex=65138164&is=65122fe4&hm=130cdea1d6b7c51b449e45d8a713400d078fdea3947cfee29f1863f3c75fe770&

[heady monolith]

Wasnt sure why but i took it cause i needed to somehow deflect

[latent moon]

Rare crop can't hit Hermes boons

[heady monolith]

Makes sense

[mint coral]

for hermes only through eury

[stone rune]

pretty sure poms was the play at eury there

[jagged hamlet]

SHHHH, jazz