either 40 or 60 i forget
#h1-discussion
still python
yeahh
latent moon
if you want to learn hera there's a hera guide somewhere
latent moon
which dash
like none lmao it doesn't matter
your core is just crush shot + snow burst
i think it's a bit out of date but it should be fine
still python
snow burst??
still python
like none lmao it doesn't matter
does tidal dash not help a lot
cant imagine it being useless
latent moon
well it's more like it screws up your line ups
latent moon
i dont remember how much damage it does, but say each burst does like 50 damage
at 3 casts, that's 150 burst
which is like idk probably 2/3 of 1 cast or something
common level 1 snurst does 40 lmao
realistic crush shot level would be like idk 5 or something
so 225 damage
that's more than 2/3 of a cast lol
but it's a much larger aoe
wispy sinew
Can you gift to same npc?
agile basin
yes, but just after finding them again, after one run
limpid ocean
beat 32 on lucifer. That was fun
is rail generally considered easy?
Feels like it
wispy sinew
@agile basin damn do I get more stuff from said person? Idr who all I gave to
agile basin
you can open the codex to see how many hearts you have with everyone
you talk to achilles to unlock that
wispy sinew
Oh ok so I keep giving to a person til all hearts red?
agile basin
yep, thats how you advance on their stories
wispy sinew
Ok thnx
limpid ocean
somehow got a chaos 2nd bloodstone and hunting blades before leaving tartarus without a single reroll
32 heat achillies
stone rune
somehow got a chaos 2nd bloodstone and hunting blades before leaving tartarus wi...
2nd?
limpid ocean
stygian
stone rune
why stygian hunting blades
limpid ocean
so I can sit back and snipe with skill blades
limpid ocean
yeah but with well of charon shenanigans i have 4 casts now on 2.5 second auto reload
with +100% cast damage
it's hilarious
and just got fully loaded
chilly jasper
I finnally got to hades but i messed it up at the end. i am so sad
i had such a good set up too
limpid ocean
I did the same lol
had freaking 4x stygian hunting blades and it wasn't enough damage because I couldn't ever get an ares cast boost boon, all my well of charon cast boosts expired and so did my styx dark
not enough dps with the cast
solar vault
I did a run few runs again recently and I am so washed up lmao
I consistently lose DDs at 20 heat, which I don't really care about, but it's interesting that I'm so much noticeably worse after a few months of not playing
limpid ocean
That happens in any game
Played elden ring for the first time in a month or two last night and it was awful my timing was so off
pastel monolith
i prefer stubborn defiance but im not good enough to beat em4 with it
stubborn defiance is nice tho because losing a dd is not a big deal and u never need tonworry about buying them back or even buying health for that matter
its a load off my mind lol
the rust is real though.. I took like a week or 2 off when i got into terraria.. and when i came back to hades i could barely even dash strike with the sword at first haha.. to be fair i was intoxicated lol
but lately ive been playing hades for hours a day again and im the sharpest ive ever been 💪
hybrid hedge
best gun aspect?
latent moon
best gun aspect?
Eris or hestia, personal preference
hybrid hedge
Eris or hestia, personal preference
what do they do
latent moon
Eris gets a 75% global damage boost when you stand in the special for 4 seconds or something
Hestia gets an empowered shot that does 150 damage when you reload
Basically button smashing vs calculated button smashing
Both are pretty easy to use but hestia is harder to learn if you wanna play it at a higher level
latent moon
It's good but more difficult to get the hang of
And kinda relies on a certain hammer for damage
hybrid hedge
And kinda relies on a certain hammer for damage
i love hazard bomb
hazard bomb my bestie
hybrid hedge
thats so sad
hybrid hedge
whats the best aspect for hazard bomb
i love throwing a WMD at all my enemies
If lucifer special has 3 bombs and you get triple bomb do you get 9 bombs?
latent moon
whats the best aspect for hazard bomb
hestia
latent moon
If lucifer special has 3 bombs and you get triple bomb do you get 9 bombs?
technically yeah but you want to detonate the triple bombs immediately before enemies go out of range
latent moon
hestia
i should specify that hazard is preferred at high heat for hestia, otherwise you'd want rocket bomb
bright warren
When you finally get the boon you’re looking for but it’s surrounded by 2 duo boons
pastel monolith
hestia rules bc its so simple.. u need one good boon on attack and ur good .. or even just shackle
eris rules because the universal damage boost can really go nuts
lucifer is cool but not as good.. u got fun builds like super soaker but unless u get a good special hammer its hard to rly get good dps goin
zag gun is just meh.. it can work but its nothin special
mint coral
technically yeah but you want to detonate the triple bombs immediately before en...
Bombs detonate as soon as you have more than 3
You can see 6 at max
latent moon
oh wait 
i forgor
latent moon
hestia rules bc its so simple.. u need one good boon on attack and ur good .. or...
zag rail has funny spread fire lmao
bright warren
My brother beat Charon first try… he lost every death defience
hybrid hedge
My brother beat Charon first try… he lost every death defience
how do you fight charon
and what do you get
bright warren
how do you fight charon
I don’t the exacts to trigger it, a bag will spawn behind him and if you grab it it starts the fight
mint coral
You need to escape once to be able to fight him
bright warren
You win you get 300 gold and 20% at shops
marble whale
https://tenor.com/view/hades-hades-game-supergiant-zagreus-roguelike-gif-2459453...
charon!
hybrid hedge
Is demeter stuff any good? i just unlocked her
dense hill
I just encountered a bug anywhere I should post about it or just leave it? Sorry by the way I know this is off topic 🙂
true gate
The Charon battle pass…
latent moon
I just encountered a bug anywhere I should post about it or just leave it? Sorry...
just post it here tbh
the devs dont update the game anymore so any bugs found will stay in the game
dense hill
That's fine lol
latent moon
also a decent chance that the bug has already been found or it's not a bug lol
dense hill
Poseidon boons knocked one of the Elysium archer dudes out of bounds
It's probably found before I have no idea how it happened
true gate
That’s pretty funny could you still kill them?
dense hill
Yeah using the ranged crystal thing lol
latent moon
i mean that's not surprising considering the nature of poseidon boons lol
dense hill
I know! I'm really confused about it
true gate
That’s good at least, I’ve only ever had flying enemies knocked out of bounds
dense hill
I died so I can't show if I had any other boons and stuff that might affect it
dense hill
That’s good at least, I’ve only ever had flying enemies knocked out of bounds
Yep same here
stone rune
uhhhhhhh
agile basin
tierlist only really works on higher heat tho
hybrid hedge
okay
stone rune
everything is good
hybrid hedge
is gun good
agile basin
at the start, just play what you want/feels good with
hybrid hedge
i like the funny gun
hybrid hedge
cool
stone rune
the other two good weapons have either one stinky aspect (chiron) or two (zag and chaos)
pastel monolith
not u suggesting chiron is a stinky aspect 😭
for me its like. top 3
top 1 maybe
stone rune
but also it sucks
pastel monolith
maybe its not that versatile
but its definitely good
normal bow special is what sucks
that spread fire doesnt do anythin for anyone lol
stone rune
the solution is to simply not use it
pastel monolith
chiron should be better but the game nerfs it
zeus for example
theres some kind of unannounced secret cool down period for lightning bolts
stone rune
0.2s
i’m happy it’s bad though because it’s miserable to use
that animation is awful
dire tendon
the only good thing about chiron is that it looks cool when the special arrows fly with boon vfx
pastel monolith
its good for hangover maybe for demeter.
but if u get afro attack, arti special and heart rend.... its extremely powerful . one of the deadliest builds in the whole game
throw in some pp and hunters mark
whatever arti boon makes crits hit harder.. deadly somethin
u cant lose
although probably need poseidan dash or something aoe for the smaller enemies
latent moon
but its definitely good
It's good for casual play, but if you're into speed or heat then it kinda sucks lol
Jazz judges solely on speed and heat
stone rune
i also judge on i hate chiron
latent moon
Bow has 4 good aspects if you don't really care about higher level play
stone rune
most of the other badspects are passable to me
except hades and gilga
but like i’m fine with arthur
and chaos
formal citrus
Regular bow special to tag with doom in casual can be fun
pastel monolith
i havent even done 40 heat chiron yet
i should make that my next goal
i wana do 40 heat all weapons
chiron feels safe to me
my 40 heat each weapon aspect plan is
nemesis sword
achilis spear
zeus shield
demeter fist (thats the one with cutter right?)
chiron bow
and hestia gun already done
im open to suggestions if anyone wants to yell at me
stone rune
that’s fine if you’re set on chiron
pastel monolith
any bow works for me
stone rune
prob rather do rama or zagbow
pastel monolith
i might opt for beo shield
stone rune
any shield works
if you do chaos or zag without cshot you might want to lower td because they won’t deal damage
pastel monolith
good call
latent moon
if you do chaos or zag without cshot you might want to lower td because they won...
Pulv blow works tbh
stone rune
only on zag rlly
i used to like pulv blow but ngl the amount of kb is annoying
perfectly fine tho
pastel monolith
zag shield pulv bkow artemis attack
ive had some good fun with that
idk bout 40 heat tho
pastel monolith
i used to like pulv blow but ngl the amount of kb is annoying
kb?
stone rune
knockback
pastel monolith
oh ya
stone rune
in styx you can put enemies where u can’t hit them
pastel monolith
i kinda hate knockback
stone rune
sea storm might actually be pog with that though
pastel monolith
sometimes ill take sunken treasure over splash dash just because the knockback throws off my whole fist game
i can't work with it lol
hybrid hedge
the dps on fists is crazy
mint coral
sea storm might actually be pog with that though
Doesn't pulv blow remove the knockback
still python
tried dash only
elyssium is super annoying i got a 5:30 lernie which isnt too bad
and left elyssium at like 11 lmao
didnt get poseidon legendary didnt get sea storm didnt really get anything good except heroic tidal and hyper sprint
latent moon
didnt get poseidon legendary didnt get sea storm didnt really get anything good ...
If you're doing dash only, shoals is more important
Shoals -> lighting reflexes -> jolted
still python
yeah common level 2 shoals best i could get
latent moon
Ah rip
stone rune
Doesn't pulv blow remove the knockback
Yeah i think i might be going crazy
hybrid hedge
50% dodge chance go crazy
agile basin
I find fist dodge build hella fun
opaque arch
when I go to chaos is the next room to stay the same or do I have to choose?
hybrid hedge
I find fist dodge build hella fun
fist dodge + hermes feather + that one hermes boon
thats what i got and i dodge rather often
and its silly
agile basin
yeah, I love watching the boss swinging like crazy and I be swooshing
shmooving, even
opaque arch
wdym
like after I beat an encounter the next area says Ill get a zeus boon or something but there is also a chaos gate in the room so if I take the gate will I still have the option to go get the zeus boon right after?
latent moon
shmooving, even
if you want shmoving, try plume on zag sword
agile basin
ooh right, I did that, like, 200h ago
gotta do that again, thx for the reminder!
hexed ibex
Yoo I just got the game and it's so addicting!!!
limpid ocean
hades is so damn addicting
hexed ibex
"one more run before bedtime"
Literally me right now at 3:30AM
The action is so satisfying 😫
It's PERFECT
limpid ocean
went in with achillies to try 32 heat hunting blades agin
got serrated point, purple arty dash and a chaos boon for dash strike
special w doom
I'm guessing aph attack is the play now?
or athena
which gives me better survive
stone rune
I'm guessing aph attack is the play now?
arty
only zeus and arty and ig dio attacks are really usable on achilles
you already have 150 of additive
and then 50 of additive
and then some more
so multiplicative from crits will be a lot more valuable than another 100
untold crown
for people with olympusextra: what does hestia's forgiveness do? haven't had her show up in a trial room yet
limpid ocean
so does that mean that art dash likely isn't good then if it's additive? Like ddash would be better?
dire tendon
so multiplicative from crits will be a lot more valuable than another 100
that's some MSV
latent moon
so does that mean that art dash likely isn't good then if it's additive? Like dd...
well it's always been additive
and it's still fine for the atk based aspects
wispy sinew
The items you get from killing bosses does it have any purposes sides the vendor?
wispy sinew
So should I use them for vendor? Still fairly new to game so idk if should give to him or hold on to
wispy sinew
Ok thnx
opaque arch
why is literally nobody at the hades house except hypnos and achilles
limpid ocean
wowo I finally beat 32 heat with achillies after all night
winining change was going td3 instead of td2 and turning off hard labor
and using ddash instead
otherwise heart rend with aph special
had 32/349 hp left nearly dead from td3
had 3rd tunnel sack with tiny vermin on 2nd
stone rune
cluster bomb and rocket bomb
by the largest distance you can imagine
there is literally nothing that remotely compares
chilly jasper
can cluster bomb and hazard bomb be combined?
stone rune
no
formal citrus
What is the most ridiculous hammer combination that they blocked (or didn't)?
Cluster hazard seems up there. Can you cluster triple?
stone rune
you can’t get cluster triple but that and cluster hazard could be worse than clockets
because of drop time
latent moon
hazard isnt compatible with any of the special hammers except targeting system iirc
formal citrus
Flurry explosive bow would be ridiculous at flurry speed and should be fine if slowed down the same.
formal citrus
hazard isnt compatible with any of the special hammers except targeting system i...
Ah.
I always found it funny hazard is compatible with eris
Can you dash at the correct time to make that work?
stone rune
yes
formal citrus
Ah makes more sense.
latent moon
i vaguely recognize you lmao
dire plaza
ooh right, I did that, like, 200h ago
gotta do that again, thx for the reminder!
Playing AC odyssey right now, love your name 
agile basin
Playing AC odyssey right now, love your name <:DiCapLaugh:872278677373726731>
Thx 
But I know nothing about that game 😅
agile basin
if you want shmoving, try plume on zag sword
Im doing zag sword with plume now
first hermes boon at chamber 33 😭
hybrid hedge
for the last two darkness upgrades are purple or green better
opaque arch
how do I give ambrosia to hermes
mint coral
how do I give ambrosia to hermes
Talk to him with his keepsake at lvl 3 equipped
opaque arch
Talk to him with his keepsake at lvl 3 equipped
oh okay thanks
bright warren
Does sea storm work with splitting bolt?
stone rune
yes
hexed ibex
Oml the lava does more dmg to me than the enemies in asfodel
opaque arch
where is the lyre? Its not in my room. Unless Orpheus has to be gone in order for it to be there?
stone rune
if you bought it it's in your room
opaque arch
if you bought it it's in your room
ohhhh you gotta buy it
dense hill
asphodel lava is the worst fr
agile basin
It looks too comfy to not step on it
untold crown
I think elysium arrow traps have ended more early runs for me but the lava is annoying too
true gate
I’ve died more ti the spike traps in the furies room then I have to the furies
hexed ibex
I think elysium arrow traps have ended more early runs for me but the lava is an...
I haven't reached Elysium yet... Can't wait...
hybrid hedge
how do i build fists properly
latent moon
how do i build fists properly
There's a build guide pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat that goes over fists
agile basin
when is stygian soul actually good?
is it totally dependent of getting more blood stones?
mint coral
yup
main uses are for trippy shot/flare, meme beams and when you want slighty better hermes odds
first 2 cuz their casts stay on field for a while so stygian allows to throw more
3rd cuz picking stygian has hermes only offering auto reload
instead of quick reload + flurry cast
also better legendary from hermes but you barely see that
agile basin
ooh, got it
I just tried achilles + beam, and no extra cast showed up
so, the run just felt underwhelming
mint coral
yeah no extra casts is sad
agile basin
now the bow is with Nyx Bless, I will try the trippy cast with here
mint coral
doesn't help that beams wants like a million other things too
agile basin
yeah, beam is tough to make it work 
mint coral
if you are gonna go for trippy on hera and see artemis or poseidon in tartarus
take the keepsake of the one you didn't see in aspho so yo can get a chance at mirage shot
cuz funny mirage bug
agile basin
thats what I was forgeting, been meaning to do that for a LONG while
mint coral
trippy flare is always funny
cuz it's a broken mess
pom bug (but only on beo for some reason)
a flare so mirage bug
crits x2 instead of x3
agile basin
I will let the run ready, and go to sleep cuz Im hella tired and sick
Thanks alot <3
Tomorrow will be good 🙏 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877038707583107092/1121272866013462619/image.png
latent moon
also better legendary from hermes but you barely see that
I've played so much beo that when I did plume zag sword I saw his legendary a total of like 5 different menus lmao
Also got greater recall on Hera the other day
mint coral
I've played so much beo that when I did plume zag sword I saw his legendary a to...
plume moment
formal citrus
main uses are for trippy shot/flare, meme beams and when you want slighty better...
Do people not use it for blades? I figured they re similar to beams and trippy.
mint coral
Blades last for only 1 second more than stygian 3 seconds recharge
Can work but infernal gets the job done
formal citrus
Blades is 4, beams and festive are 5?
formal citrus
I guess nothing quite compared to that yeah
Blade extension is what,0.2 s per level
Instead of 1 s per level
mint coral
Can't be pommed
formal citrus
Lol
latent moon
burst damage also tends to be better than damage over time, so even tho the blades stay out for a decent chunk of time, it has more burst
stone rune
Blades last for only 1 second more than stygian 3 seconds recharge
.3 if your build doesn’t stink
latent moon
isn't it only bad for dad fight phasing
latent moon
eh it's only bad for speedrunning
mint coral
blade extension is bad
It is?
Guess it makes sense but huh
limpid ocean
just cleared 32 heat with poseidon
had 238 damage crush shot
x5 for dad
and ares aph duo
stone rune
Just saw someone on reddit say that arthur is the worst aspect which is wrong ofc but then someone said zagrail doesnt exist apparently and like what
How is zagrail what pops in your head when you think of bad aspects
brisk trail
How is zagrail what pops in your head when you think of bad aspects
the only bad aspect is the fists.
stone rune
whar
brisk trail
no i’m joking g
stone rune
that's not an aspect 🗿
brisk trail
mostly
yeah the joke was that they ALWAYS suck
(i tried them for the first time today and died)
i like seeing big numbers. the rail/fists are not for me
stone rune
rail is the best 4 aspect run in the game
brisk trail
ok but hera is the best overal aspect
brisk trail
the way i just shredded the minotaur in 5 proper hits
stone rune
hold on
brisk trail
hera let’s you load casts. if you get enough bloodstones and enough chaos boosting your cast you can destroy anything
stone rune
beo
brisk trail
i don’t have the hidden aspect of the shield. should i get it
or the fists actually. because i don’t use them ever
stone rune
i don’t have the hidden aspect of the shield. should i get it
thats whats in the vide
brisk trail
grand. i’ll do that next
destroying tiny vermin is the best feeling in the game i think
void vigil
i have to delete this bc of a swear word in it, but also, mocking people is not in the spirit of the server - regardless of if theyre here or not or their perceived skill level, or if they play in an "optimal" way or not
stone rune
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1121320636665581588/i...
hit it on a beautiful hestia run (no rd, no clockets, not a single chaos gate, no ely skips)
stone rune
if u kill an enemy with a dash strike with battle rage will an ensuing cshot be boosted
latent moon
if u kill an enemy with a dash strike with battle rage will an ensuing cshot be ...
As long it's the dash strike into the rush that kills, then you'll get the boost
limpid ocean
Worst aspect imo is either gilgamesh, zag sword, or one of the spin spears
Actually magnetic cutter is so bad I nearly forgot about it
agile basin
+atak dmg from chaos, also buffs dash-strike?
mint coral
Ye
Basically any atk buff will also buff dash strike (outside of like 2 sword hammers)
agile basin
thanks
formal citrus
Basically any atk buff will also buff dash strike (outside of like 2 sword hamme...
And most spear hammers
The double strike shield hammer also doesn't affect dash strikes, right?
mint coral
that one is a change on how the attack works more than a % buff
agile basin
btw, I was asking cuz I got the serrated point* for achilles aspect
mint coral
but yeah forgot spear has attack hammers 
outside of flurry
agile basin
my favorite hammer for spear... maybe thats why im bad with this weapon 🫢
formal citrus
Good combo
formal citrus
I like it. The problem is I like casting with Achilles more.
mint coral
serrated point is hard
also the fact that flurry jab exists
formal citrus
Serrated point triple attack counting as only one attack for Achilles is neat
agile basin
I dont like flurry jab
I know its THE hammer for spear, but I just dont like the playstile
im like "ok, achilles, chill. im not gona try hard that much"
mint coral
I always see flurry as the oonga boonga playstyle tbh
is easy to get carried away and oops no dds
agile basin
I like it. The problem is I like casting with Achilles more.
I also like casting with achilles, I gravited to it a bit, but artemis is my fav Olympian, so the oportunity to actually use her dash, I always take it
agile basin
is easy to get carried away and oops no dds
thats me with the spear in general 
formal citrus
I love arti but don't often feel good with her dash
agile basin
guys, I think the game wants me to do other thing than dash-strike...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877038707583107092/1121476338470109215/image.png
(I only got the dash in elysium)
formal citrus
Do two things
limpid ocean
btw, I was asking cuz I got the serrated point* for achilles aspect
That hammer is S tier
Okay, so let's say achillies, and run ares keepsake for cast/hunting blades. First room is a hammer with serrated point. Do you guys give up and switch to a different keepsake and then just run with that instead?
latent moon
Okay, so let's say achillies, and run ares keepsake for cast/hunting blades. Fir...
i'd switch to a different aspect because i dont like serrated lmao
formal citrus
Okay, so let's say achillies, and run ares keepsake for cast/hunting blades. Fir...
Depends on what I'm in the mood for. Also, if have dem keepsake so I can't relate to this example.
I used to just start runs with Artemis for attack with Achilles to stay flexible but it was too many lost cast poms.
vital hamlet
Ok so i have the Conch Shell equiped but everytime a start a run i get the hammer why is that?
formal citrus
The conch doesn't override the hammer. It just means you'll see poside when you first see a god*.
vital hamlet
but does it override the other boons?
formal citrus
Also, you won't always get a hammer first unless you're selecting give up to keep the same rn string.
Does what override?
vital hamlet
the conch
formal citrus
What do you mean by override?
vital hamlet
Also, you won't always get a hammer first unless you're selecting give up to kee...
ooh i was giving up ig thats why
formal citrus
Yeah selecting give up takes you back to the same start though your actions will change what you get after the first room.
vital hamlet
What do you mean by override?
bc i have the conch u said it doesnt overide the hammer but does it also block the chance of me getting my first boon from another god?
other then poseidon
formal citrus
Posideon will be one of your options the first time your e offered gods as the next room.
It might be the only option or one of many options.
formal citrus
And the conch will ensure pos is an option until you select a pos room, I think.
vital hamlet
And the conch will ensure pos is an option until you select a pos room, I think.
yeah makes sense
formal citrus
Not sure how erebus rooms interact with it or buy ing one in the shop affects it exactly.
latent moon
Not sure how erebus rooms interact with it or buy ing one in the shop affects it...
the god keepsake might make your god appear on an erebus gate so none of the normal doors show the god you want
the keepsake doesn't make the god you want appear in the shop, but if it does happen to show up in the shop and you buy it, you lose the keepsake charge
formal citrus
the god keepsake might make your god appear on an erebus gate so none of the nor...
So its charge is spent as soon as you get a boom from said god, basically?
latent moon
Yeah
formal citrus
Not the easiest to check
stone rune
it shouldn’t be though or else people would have moaned about it already on ME and beo
and i have seen and done no moaning to such effect
latent moon
Well the only time you'd see it is in aspho
And right after shop 99% of the time its miniboss
latent moon
Actually does it take the charge from the door as soon as you enter or when you pick it up
stone rune
should be on pickup
latent moon
Because I remember entering minibosses with the charge gone
stone rune
i’ll ask in speedcord
latent moon
Yeah so picking up shop arty will take the charge
agile basin
folks...
what is ME?
stone rune
merciful end
stone rune
Yeah so picking up shop arty will take the charge
doesn’t
agile basin
oooooooh
stone rune
cgull said so therefore i trust 100%
stone rune
nectar is bugged??
latent moon
Well visual
Sometimes after you pick up a boon using nectar the charge doesn't go down until you enter the next room
I don't remember the circumstances of when it happens but I've seen it multiple times
So that's why I asked if the keepsake takes the charge when you enter the room or pick up the boon
stone rune
strange
fierce aurora
i made my friend play hades!
stone rune
nice
white path
Isn't Skelly supposed to give me a prize for beating ||REDACTED|| with 16 heat?
stone rune
he will
limpid ocean
been aiming for 32 heat with all other weapons, did fists, actually cleared on blind seed 1st try. Pleasantly unexpected
only bow remains
true gate
Just attempted EM Hades for the first time
That ||3rd phase|| caught me so off guard oh god
limpid ocean
anyone know the name of the mod that always does 2nd tunnel satyr sack and guarantees patroclus?
limpid ocean
I suppose that's the one
stone rune
it’s on speedrun.com
latent moon
i mean there might be a more specific mod that does that lmao
but yeah the speedrun modpack just has it all
could just turn off all the other features if you want
stone rune
if u want more configurability you can use hypermodfed
limpid ocean
32 heat clear with all weapons rn
true gate
Gl
limpid ocean
no I mean I just finished it
true gate
Oh well done then lol
limpid ocean
Thanks
I still wanna get higher max heat with Zeus and tried a bit tonight
Had 2 runs that made it to temple and both got ruined by not having patroclus
One of my runs I had clouded judgment, pressure points, support fire, the boon that charges god gauge on crit, and shouldering air with Athena call. With like no hp to even start with I got em4 hades down to 1/4 hp phase 3
true gate
I’m getting such awful rng in temple at the moment
I tried em4 hades earlier but I think I’m gonna focus on getting the platinum trophy before I start trying higher heat levels
white path
I just checked that LC4 doesn't remove guan yu healing. Nice.
still python
How do you play Beowulf i get thats its safe and strong but I don't know how to be fast with it
hybrid hedge
i wanna switch to pc but im wonderining if theres a cheat engine sorta thing so i can get back all my darkness and stuff
mint coral
What console are you playing it?
hybrid hedge
What console are you playing it?
im on switch rn
pastel monolith
extra dashes and a cool thing where u hit with dash special and it gives enemies a curse where they deal and take more damage, and when the curse ends its like doom they get hit with a big damage
also im pretty sure the regular attack is slower but possibly a bit stronger.. not 100% on that
hybrid hedge
silly
pastel monolith
im looking for suggestions..
i wana do a meme run where i try to pom up a single boon as much as possible for fun
what boon should it be? im thinkin of maybe pressure points for big PP joke
or tidal dash.. but idk.. im sure there are other fun ideaa
mint coral
Hangover is the classic for that
pastel monolith
oh ya of course.. great idea
rama like level 25 hangover special or something
idk how high i can get it.. ive never rly tried
limpid ocean
with rama hanogover do you just use that instead as your primary attack?
pastel monolith
ya i probably would use it exclusively especially on a meme run
but of course if i was actually trying. gotta use everything possible
spamming rama special got me thru a lot of runs when i was a noob
zeus was a big go-to or poseidan
but the shared suffering is the true power of rama... if u can get that going right its incredible
white path
When do I get Skelly's prizes for the steam achievement?
hybrid hedge
best fist aspect? also what keepsakes should i use, i like Hermes and lucky tooth
mint coral
When do I get Skelly's prizes for the steam achievement?
Check the red curtains next to the window that starts the run
gray apex
best fist aspect? also what keepsakes should i use, i like Hermes and lucky toot...
Demeter is the strongest aspect of the Fists. For keepsakes you want to force certain gods in Tartarus and Asphodel and you pick defensive ones for Elysium and Styx
hybrid hedge
Demeter is the strongest aspect of the Fists. For keepsakes you want to force ce...
Cool. can you explain the keepsake part further am confused
gray apex
Cool. can you explain the keepsake part further am confused
If you pick an Olympian god's keepsake (except Hermes), the next boon you see will be from that god
hybrid hedge
yeuh
gray apex
So it adds them to the pool and generally early on you can easily get what you want from a god
Weapons perform best with certain core boons so you pick one and force it to try and get it
In Asphodel you do the same to try to get a duo boon later or a strong supporting boon
hybrid hedge
so prob use zues in tartarus and posidrlen in aaphoeldel
gray apex
You can do that for Fists yea
Or you can do Ares and Athena instead, and try to get Merciful End + Divine Dash. ME has the best damage output on Fists.
And it's pretty safe, just inconsistent to get.
hybrid hedge
whats merciful end do
gray apex
It makes Doom proc immediately if you hit the enemy with a deflect boon.
And adds a bit of damage on top of it
hybrid hedge
and how do i get that
gray apex
You'll need a Doom core from Ares and one of Athena Attack or Special. That'll make you eligible for it, then you'll need to see either of them again to potentially get it. For the build to really shine tho you need Impending Doom from Ares and Divine Dash from Athena on top of that.
white path
Check the red curtains next to the window that starts the run
Ohhhh lol I never noticed those
hybrid hedge
You'll need a Doom core from Ares and one of Athena Attack or Special. That'll m...
i may try that
hexed ibex
GG HYDRA VANQUISHED
foggy crater
find game crusher, if you pick beowulf shield - stand below sword start charging - quick use cast and change weapon to sword. Works everytime
stone rune
thats just a shield bug
foggy crater
where to reporе it?)
stone rune
known for a while
foggy crater
fair
latent moon
Iframe bug
stone rune
🗿
pastel monolith
find game crusher, if you pick beowulf shield - stand below sword start charging...
wait what?
i dont think im aware of this exploit
rotund nexus
Quick question, does aspect of zagreus on bow affect crit chance on doom damage with attack?
So with a lvl 5 aspect does doom have a 15% crit chance or is it just the initial arrow that benefits from the crit chance.
stone rune
it's only arrow damage
flat damage from zeus dio or ares is not affected
but also
doom atk on zagbow 🗿
rotund nexus
It's more for a niche purpose I'm using it for, not an actual run.
pastel monolith
is there a link to somewhere that breaks this down in a way i can understand and refer back to? i had a few glases of wine with dinner so im not likely to remember this later
stone rune
wdym
pastel monolith
just explanation of what happens when u charge shield and switch weapons.. what are the exact changes
stone rune
im not sure anybody knows
probably just that you're still doing a rush but you're on a differrent weapon and the game doesnt know what to do about that
pastel monolith
but what is the benefit
pastel monolith
do u get the glitchy beowulf perks on other aspects?
pastel monolith
oh ok lol
stone rune
so you cant exactly get anything out of it
pastel monolith
i was thinkin it gives u extra cast damage or pom upgrades or somethin
stone rune
no it's like the achilles zooming to the void bug
not practically usable
only for spectacle
stone rune
lol yea
pastel monolith
.. not the first time lol
stone rune
if theres anything busted in the game im sure runners'd have found it already
and if not then it's well hidden
pastel monolith
i was thinkin maybe theres a way to trick the madness of beowulf bugs to transfer to other aspects
thatd be somethin lol
i like how sgg just doesnt patch that stuff tho
its like.. this is how it is .. intentional or not
deft canyon
void vigil
pls source the artworks you post! this one is by mr anderson x https://www.instagram.com/p/Ctaff8KtW_u/
hexed ibex
Bruhhh lava counts as a trap?!?!
mint coral
yup
hexed ibex
I took a chaos boon that makes me take 256% more dmg from traps
twilit lodge
pls source the artworks you post! this one is by mr anderson x <https://www.inst...
I didn’t know the source until you gave it
hexed ibex
All of a sudden I lost 3 lives 💀
true gate
Asphodel moment
hexed ibex
Asphodel has the worst rooms and Elysium has the worst boss
stone rune
🗿
formal citrus
Does arti dash benefit bull rush if preceeded by a dash attack? Have cshot on the board and deciding on if it should switch from tidal to that
stone rune
Does arti dash benefit bull rush if preceeded by a dash attack? Have cshot on th...
no
tdash way better
unless on beo in which case hunter dash is fine filler and tdash is kinda sus
formal citrus
Is beo, last boon before hades
formal citrus
Pp it is ig
formal citrus
Or support
stone rune
pp
formal citrus
Yeah, figured.
Just picked up snow burst which is neat
Wish me luck
Neat go achilles
Do you even have a build at that high a heat?
5 min for EM4
So what does the Achilles build look like
mint coral
wait fr
formal citrus
Lol, hunters flare was not cutting it
stone rune
no
hybrid hedge
wooo i beat it for the first time
stone rune
hybrid hedge
can someone tell me best aspect (not hidden) for every weapon
untold crown
my answers would be nemesis, achilles, zeus, chiron, demeter, eris
agile basin
based chiron believer
untold crown
admittedly the bow is not my fav and I mostly just use rama when I do take it
but otherwise yeah I've had some great chiron builds
latent moon
can someone tell me best aspect (not hidden) for every weapon
What @untold crown said except any bow other than chiron lmao
Also for rail it's either eris or hestia, depends on your playstyle
agile basin
chiron is my fav spect for the bow, not by far tho, mostly because suport fire is my fav boon, so it carries my favorits for chiron 😅
untold crown
yeah when I have to use the bow my playstyle is "special go brrrr" and obvs chiron is behind rama there but they asked for normal aspects
latent moon
chiron is my fav spect for the bow, not by far tho, mostly because suport fire i...
Support fire has an internal cooldown lmao
untold crown
I think it's bc there's a heart rend chiron run I had that was just insanely good
agile basin
Support fire has an internal cooldown lmao
I know, it hurts every time I remember 
formal citrus
Gotta choose whether to purge hyper sprint, curse of agony, or merciful end. Fists is the only one I run fated authority on and it still bites me in the ass
I guess it could be worse, could be divine dash instead of hyper sprint. Still, can.
Gah
High risk high reward is pruging curse and hoping I can reget it given I have 4 fated authority left
mint coral
you are also losing poms
latent moon
This is why authority kinda bad lmao
mint coral
why authority tho
untold crown
sprint sounds like the lesser evil
formal citrus
Sturdy doesn't matter if you have 103% dodge ig
FA because I started with curse of agony on fists and run plume the whole time with then.
So need to fate some athena
mint coral
based for going for ME on plume of all things lol
formal citrus
Even if doing a normal zag fist run, gotta make sure I have dio or Zeus attack
It panned out, clearly I am a genius
Losing hyper sprint is probably better than losing common evasion tbh
formal citrus
Yeah
mint coral
yeah no loss then
formal citrus
Zag plume is the only way I know how to do high heat fists so fated authority is what I end up with
Lol just picked up deadly reversal for 150 g
untold crown
💛💛💜💜💜💜💜💜💛💛💛💛 is the mirror I use basically every run. it's maxed out but what would ppl change about it?
mint coral
2nd one is dark regen no?
change that to purple
you already have a fountain after a boss for a big heal
and you are using dark foresight
so less darkness mid run
formal citrus
Really any duo dependent build, right? I'd use it for beams or blades to get tracking.
I do find building around duos the most fun if I'm planning
untold crown
yeah I aim for duos and legendarys a lot and often get them so I'm not keen on changing pride. dark regen is a good point tho
formal citrus
I do a lot of turning healing down 50% and still getting +2 every time u leave a room
Also lol I finished with my only Poseidon boon sold, whoops.
latent moon
yeah I aim for duos and legendarys a lot and often get them so I'm not keen on c...
You can still easily get them on pride tbh lmao
formal citrus
Impending doom works with ME right?
formal citrus
Ended with an epic level 3 for +105%, no complaints there. Highest fists heat done.
Level 5 attack doom dealing only 101 lol
latent moon
Level 5 attack doom dealing only 101 lol
Epic doom is 100 damage lol
formal citrus
Did I build this run around a common doom? Yes. Did it work out? Also yes
latent moon
I mean it'll work ofc
formal citrus
What's epic level 5?
formal citrus
I'd reset for rare+ doom
I think this was me resetting but I kept not dying and also getting what I needed to not die with stubborn and td3
latent moon
Doom rarity matters a lot lol
latent moon
I think that's part of the reason why people run pride on ME lmao
Less resets for doom
formal citrus
Oh mine was level 3 just can t read
formal citrus
I think that's part of the reason why people run pride on ME lmao
Wouldn't you want to know if you have to reset earlier, tho?
What re the base odds of legendary and duo?
Lol
Is it actually lower for mini bosses?
mint coral
ye
formal citrus
Wack
Wait why? I tried reading the doc a while back but apparently didn't retain that
mint coral
ig it's cuz it has guranteed rare on tart and higher chance for rare on the other biomes
mint coral
I thought leg and duo got rolled first
that's why I was just guessing
I'll never comprehend how the game rolls entirely
also nah
double dmg too good
mint coral
Both are fake anyways
stone rune
wasn’t RT first sub6 on no pride or legacy
pastel monolith
if u wana see proof of pride vs legacy. start a run that doesnt have hammer in the first room.. and then give up and change the mirror and come back and notice the difference of boon rarity
also do any run with god legacy and see the same stupid duos u dont want popping up 100 times in a run
stone rune
don’t open them then 🗿
pastel monolith
lol ya im just talkin poo.. i also have been known to say theres no difference and its a scam lol
agile basin
question, what would you folks do in this situation?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877038707583107092/1121952532441342045/image.png
stone rune
question, what would you folks do in this situation?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/...
after parrtytyy
parttyty party parrtty parettyy
why is it doing that
i hate this keyboard
agile basin
partyty 🫣
latent moon
question, what would you folks do in this situation?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/...
You generally never want to replace for trippy I think
The only case I can think of is very last boon before dad fight
After party is best here because unpommable
agile basin
I traded btw 💀
low heat, I didnt get punished
but I realized that I was missing stygian soul for the trippy, immediately after casting it
raw herald
wasn’t RT first sub6 on no pride or legacy
Yep with both epic rd and mirage without rolling :p
stone rune
🗿
still python
wait guys this is huge
4:20 third elyssium chamber just got clockets with 236% special damage
midshop 4:50 omg
6:40 heroes not too bad
latent moon
Good pace
Sub8 is doable but might cut close
Actually that'd be an insane Styx dad lmao
Maybe actually idk
latent moon
Rip
latent moon
i would do anything for a sub8
Play the game more
agile basin
big dmg number...?
stone rune
uhhh
like
wait
full hyper?
you literally only need 1 boon
hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 ri1 ap2 td3 pl
why are you starting tdash
don't do that with ap2 🗿
just start heartbreak strike
you dont need to
but also
you can still get stuff
🗿
idr
latent moon
It's for if you're willing to reset for a good attack or settle with shackle lmao
Tdash nullifies bad hesty bp perks
latent moon
Namely cloner and/or savior
latent moon
hazard works
That won't help much on cloner savior lmao
Hazard on hesty high heat is the pick tho
Oh
Yeah that's fair then
stone rune
i mean like
u have 0 damage issues if ur on guaranteed rd
idk man as
i mean
eris is harder than beo or hestia
latent moon
Delta iframes tho
latent moon
@still python there's a hestia breakpoint spreadsheet if you want to learn them
Or like have it on the side to reference
@stone rune you link it idk where it is
stone rune
latent moon
Based
stone rune
erm... kill them??
stone rune
turn on aim at cursor
latent moon
Ferocious
latent moon
Also cshot kinda wacky for heat tbf lmao
stone rune
only rlly for em4
latent moon
True
I prefer sudden than fero for first
But I also haven't done high heat beo without cshot
stone rune
i dont play high heat beo
latent moon
Or at least finished a high heat beo run lmao
I've tried unmodded 50 beo but got shafted by time
Take js3
stone rune
🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿
dc sucks way harder
u have free big aoe
dc just makes the game less fun
are you doing 50
just do js3 em3 cp2
ri0 dc0
brisk trail
hey folks has anyone played bastion, and if so is it enjoyable as a hades fan, or does it kinda feel like a rough draft
stone rune
this was my 50 pact
no 🗿 how are you timing out on beo
then go kill them
camping is a legitimate strategy
bballs and chariots r fire
neurons
what
keep 4:30
keep if under 5 tbh
its fine
aspho gives u clearance
still python
its meant to be like 2 though
also i probably have more playtime than you so hats why
what no at 9 heat
still python
2:30 if its bad
yeah exactly
my tart i can get to 210
asph 420 usual
elyssium is like freaking poo 820
or something stupid like that
stone rune
210 aspho 🗿
still python
idk how to do it fast
yeah its horrible but il just
pLaY mOre
pb is 8:59.93
when my tidal dash in tart does 280 on first hit
horrendous elyssium midway clockets
latent moon
Side hustle based
The cf counter
Lmfao what happens if you take ap2
Are you just soft locked
latent moon
I was gonna say sub4 lernie leave is good for sub8 then I remembered that hestia starts to die in ely
brisk trail
taking em3 is fantastic, i do that for my first couple heat with each weapon
still python
I was gonna say sub4 lernie leave is good for sub8 then I remembered that hestia...
yeah takes like 1.2 secs/shot and its eiher going to be breaking an eye or blocked by a shield
thats why im tryna start maining eris but hestia is too good
latent moon
I mean pick either one lmao
Hestia has a faster early game than eris, eris has a faster late game than hestia
Eris is pretty needy for boons iirc
And poms
still python
early games are pretty much the same to me maybe its my fault
hybrid hedge
whats the big ambrosia thing used for
latent moon
what were your hermes on hyper
latent moon
i like the rng
get styxed buddy boy
still python
i dont wanna be playing the same category as people who can choose their hammers
still
its incredibly broken
haha
sure
latent moon
i mean unmodded people just reset for the hammer they want lmao
granted you dont have to
depending on the aspect
like hera is fine
hestia and eris can work with whatever
still python
yeah but clockets ❤️
latent moon
as long as you're not going for sub7 or sub6
still python
as long as you're not going for sub7 or sub6
theyre good to have for sub8
latent moon
yeah but clockets ❤️
wouldn't it be nice if you got guaranteed rocket at the start
still python
lmao
latent moon
theyre good to have for sub8
i mean yeah ofc
still python
hah
latent moon
frankly my only complaint about unmodded is styx
still python
well i like feeling happy when i get lucky
the feeling of getting a 2 sack
i wish i could even make it to styx without the barge screwing me first
still python
mine had a 5sack tiny vermin
latent moon
but you do you it's fine lmao
latent moon
my sub8 unmodded had 2nd hammer cshot (sudden 1st) and a 3 sack
i dont remember if i got barge and/or bull
still python
maybe il start playing modded when i stop progressing
as long as i can regularly get new pbs
when i get stuck il play modded to try beat it
i dont need it but its nice to have for high confidence
latent moon
i transitioned to modded when i got my sub10 iirc lmao
still python
i dont use it for high heat
only for speedruns
i went straight from my first sub 11 in three runs to 8:59.93
theres no reason not to have it if im not producing runs worth submitting
i dont do that
latent moon
if you ever plan to submit runs then you should turn it off but if you dont really care then it's fine
still python
hades unmodded?
bro i never go below 60% on my first dd i doubt id die or have any consequences worth an entire minute if i turned it off
still python
i dont lose even come close to losing hc ever except lernie
i doubt i would
il play no god mode later then
i just want to see the small number
latent moon
bro i never go below 60% on my first dd i doubt id die or have any consequences ...
well the issue of using god mode while speedrunning isn't the dying part, it's the fact that you're able to keep up high confidence up for a lot longer, and the 25% global boost is pretty significant
latent moon
generally if you're speedrunning, you shouldn't be worried about dying in the first place unless you're playing achilles
still python
so sure il pretend like thats my pb
still python
my escapes are low enough that its not a bad pb anyways
still python
eris?
latent moon
actually yeah that's kinda valid lmao
latent moon
rama if you suck at it lmao