Kinda bad idea to keep bad weps for last
#h1-discussion
gray apex
mint coral
Or buy hades on pc whatever comes first
gray apex
Force yourself to do one gud one bad
stone rune
50 heat is kinda just 0 heat so yeah ez
latent moon
Kinda bad idea to keep bad weps for last
kinda bad idea to do bad weapons in general tbf
rustic vale
50 heat is kinda just 0 heat so yeah ez
True
stone rune
if i have to play fists another time in my life i think i'll uninstall the game so i'm not doing any allspects or allweps or anything
gray apex
kinda bad idea to do bad weapons in general tbf
That’s why I gave up on it 
rustic vale
The only difference between 50 and 0 heat is that there is a 5 in the number
mint coral
Mass gathering for hades discord and everyone does an all aspects runs
latent moon
not having flurry jab guaranteed on achilles is gonna suck
latent moon
Mass gathering for hades discord and everyone does an all aspects runs
that's gonna be a disaster
stone rune
i would only do allspects if i can do like full full full hyper
just routed tier builds
gray apex
No
stone rune
ME+ddash+impending c5 sorta stuff
mint coral
I still wonder how hades 2 early speedruns are gonna be like
gray apex
Unmodded only
mint coral
Its gonna be nice
stone rune
I still wonder how hades 2 early speedruns are gonna be like
i'm very scared of hades 2 dropping
because i am going to SUCK
latent moon
Mass gathering for hades discord and everyone does an all aspects runs
make arcalena and trash_lapras do 2 players 1 controller for all aspects
mint coral
Get 24 people and each one does 1 aspect
rustic vale
Hades 2 drops in 2025
gray apex
Better be ready
rustic vale
Actually as of 30 seconds ago
latent moon
Get 24 people and each one does 1 aspect
that sounds a lot more bearable other than the fact that 95% of the speedrunning community only plays beo
rustic vale
Actually as of 30 seconds ago
latent moon
oh wasn't there that thing where someone went up against everyone else doing every other aspect
stone rune
Get 24 people and each one does 1 aspect
what if it's just zyru though
gray apex
I am offended
mint coral
that sounds a lot more bearable other than the fact that 95% of the speedrunning...
Better be early so you arent forced to play chaos
Or f*sts
gray apex
Im part of the 95% and i don’t like it
latent moon
like someone did all aspects and a group of other people matched each aspect or something
stone rune
hey
rustic vale
I can’t wait for gun in Hades 2
gray apex
I can do 24 beo
rustic vale
90% of the speedrunning community plays supersoaker exclusively
raw herald
I play hestia sometimes >:(
rustic vale
95% of the speedrunning community trying to figure out how to do ff with beo or hera
rustic vale
I mean mirrorless and missing 1/2 the gods
latent moon
rama speedrunning is an experience
rustic vale
sounds so fun
gray apex
There’s some artistry to Rama I’ll never understand
stone rune
i thihnk they should have made the acorn have 200 charges
latent moon
There’s some artistry to Rama I’ll never understand
i tried and i stopped functioning
somehow got like an 8:14 on rama but never again
gray apex
That’s most people because there’s 2 Rama speedruners in the whole community
stone rune
rama
gray apex
3
stone rune
hard...
latent moon
ocaml and who else lmao
mint coral
Can someone get rama the wr again
stone rune
ocaml 2
latent moon
oh haven't heard of scalar
gray apex
Timothy
mint coral
That 1-2 weeks were so funny
latent moon
Can someone get rama the wr again
wasn't it like 3 days until croven got it back
gray apex
Real gamer afterall
raw herald
I bet lapras is probably pretty good given the bowo
gray apex
Lapras one of those universally good gamers
latent moon
12/29/21 ocaml, 1/3/22 croven
gray apex
Because of multiweps
latent moon
based croven
kinda jarring to see drk at #1 for unmodded when it was croven for so long lmao
gray apex
We’re at peace now
raw herald
Rta
gray apex
Vorime Drk wrs
mint coral
Btw im really not catch up with the boards
What are the anyheat wrs? (Modded-unmodded)
latent moon
croven gave up sniping the wr within a week
mint coral
Beo i assume?
raw herald
Both
mint coral
BeOwOlf moment
latent moon
croven is in spire jail
gray apex
As it should be
raw herald
💪
latent moon
i honestly think it'd be hilarious if croven got the wr back during early access of hades 2
serene aurora
hey just wondering if there's a resource that explains less obvious things that aren't explained directly in the game for example, I just found out that attack and dash strike are boosted by the same attack boon thought they were separate(and ive beaten the final boss twice already)
latent moon
"this game bad, no hera. time to go back to a game with hera"
serene aurora
or any weird math stuff
raw herald
hey just wondering if there's a resource that explains less obvious things that ...
Generally just asking here about specifics
There isnt really a comprehensive list
latent moon
hey just wondering if there's a resource that explains less obvious things that ...
afaik i dont think there's anything written down, but a lot of people here just know about it lol
rustic vale
Dash strikes are strikes
latent moon
I wonder if drk was going for wr or sub 6
sub5 you mean
gray apex
Would be kinda cool to have a miscellaneous info list
rustic vale
They’ll get boosted by things that boost strikes outside of specific hammers
gray apex
bruh really
serene aurora
thanks for the help !
stone rune
lmfao
raw herald
I mean there are quite a few top runners that dont have one
Vorime, zyru
It’s just annoying as hell to get one 🗿
gray apex
did you get one
raw herald
Thx
gray apex
Kinda out of the loop
latent moon
and then rt proceeded to get a 6:01 on hera
raw herald
I was malding hard because i got a 6:02 with a 3 sack the day before
So decided to just grind it
raw herald
and then rt proceeded to get a 6:01 on hera
It was a sub5 seed not even joking
rustic vale
Kinda out of the loop
Bananas actually got a sub1 ff run yesterday
gray apex
You should get 3 sack wr
raw herald
It was close
gray apex
It was a sub5 seed not even joking
What was ely exit
raw herald
4:23
latent moon
It was a sub5 seed not even joking
lmfao rip
latent moon
oh yeah i remember that
gray apex
Hera so gud
stone rune
why is that lake even there
gray apex
But man it’s rough
rustic vale
Bananas actually got a sub1 ff run yesterday
I was there
stone rune
it's true i was the file
serene aurora
oh yea , another question. Are melee weapons just objectively harder than ranged weapons in this game ? I've gotten to hades multiple times with talos fists but its a rough time
serene aurora
also i cant tell if its rng, me or stygian blade just isnt great .... feels weak compared to all the other weapons ive tried
stone rune
2nd worst weapon
stone rune
Ranged weapons just end up playing like melee weapons anyways
yeah but they still have range
hardy spear
melee weapons are harder id say
stone rune
melee weapons are 100% harder
hardy spear
Ranged weapons just end up playing like melee weapons anyways
for speed yeah but not for living and winning in general
stone rune
there's a reason that those memes are memes
hardy spear
i enjoy playing fists more than sword
serene aurora
Sword is meh
Fists (especially talos) are worse
reallly ?? i love talos fists even tho im getting bodied at the end
i guess objectively theres alot of math behind the scenes
hardy spear
talos just kinda sucks
serene aurora
and playing at peak efficiency
rustic vale
It’s max level is literally just level 1 achilles
Demeter gets a consistent big damage button and zagreus fists gets some extra survivability to offset the fact that you’re in melee
it gets to be a level 1 achilles on a special that takes too long
stone rune
and gilga gets nothing
rustic vale
Gilga just gets negatives
calm zenith
Ranged weapons just end up playing like melee weapons anyways
And vice versa
The best weapon can do both
rustic vale
Zag bow 💪
calm zenith
Twin shot op
Just play it pb
Nice line of huge dmg
Enemies naturally move into a line formation when you bait them anyway
Cshot is amazing because it let's you get distant and just nearby enemies, while improving the functionality of shield attack
Then demeter and kinetic just works and is fun
Way safer than most fists
rustic vale
Long knuckle + kinetic launcher
rustic vale
Long knuckle makes it safer
rustic vale
Colussus just take hyper sprint
calm zenith
Not as useful but its fine
calm zenith
Fists already flurry
calm zenith
Though tbf rail has a flurry option
rustic vale
need flurry knucklep
calm zenith
Get swift strike
calm zenith
Fair
rustic vale
4/6 weapons get flurry
rustic vale
Why not all
rustic vale
Hammer has the double attack hammer
Not the same
calm zenith
Some mods would be nice to fill in some gaps
rustic vale
Where is my charged sword special where zag just chucks the sword
calm zenith
Like a hades 2.0 project once hades 2 is out
We got the projectile hammer instead
Does it even carry boon effects?
Sword has such weird hammers
Gimmick hammers
hardy spear
4/6 weapons get flurry
cant wait for the shield to have flurry block in hades 2
calm zenith
I still need to do a beo special build
I want to see how it compares to arthur special
rustic vale
cant wait for the shield to have flurry block in hades 2
Can’t wait for revolver in Hades 2
calm zenith
I do want a magic gun
Like a gun with a proper castpect
Eris works but eh
Achilles is just better
Eris is more a flexible aspect
serene aurora
ok so ive done a bunch of research , wanna aim for specific things now i have knowledge. Should i just mod in infinite resources ? I've already done so much , at this point it just feels like a grind especially when i just want to unlock aspects or upgrade. Not like titan blood or darkness etc is that difficult to get but the amount is alot
stone rune
ok so ive done a bunch of research , wanna aim for specific things now i have kn...
it's a lot easier to just use a max save
twilit lodge
I struggle to understand the perspective of someone who doesn’t enjoy the game enough to grind for the unlocks but still wants to unlock everything
brisk trail
I struggle to understand the perspective of someone who doesn’t enjoy the game e...
Same
If I don’t enjoy playing a game I won’t unlock everything
twilit lodge
Like is the thought process “I don’t enjoy this game, but maybe i would enjoy it more if someone played it for me first”
twilit lodge
Sure, so just don’t spend resources on some of the objectively terrible aspects then
Ezclap
latent moon
lmao true
but also it can kinda be a pain when everyone's talking about a certain build/aspect and you have to grind like 15-16 titan blood to get it maxed
brisk trail
I have a disliking for the rail but I wil most likely max it for runs
twilit lodge
Hades(TM) players when SuperGiant Games doesn’t give a Welcome Pack to instantly unlock Beowulf
latent moon
hades premium bundle: you can now abuse beo bugs starting from run 2
void vigil
i played on most aspects lv.1 for the longest time and hoarded like 300 titan blood or what have you so i could upgrade them all at once
i dont think its 300 more like 250 but point stands
twilit lodge
hades premium bundle: you can now abuse beo bugs starting from run 2
Now that you’ve said that, Hades 2 will have launch DLC packs for Titan blood
Way to go nanas
void vigil
anyway i kind of get where its coming from - not everyone has the time to grind a lot and it can get frustrating, but you still want to experience everything the game has to offer and be in the know
twilit lodge
Vial of Titan’s Blood, 0.99
Flagon of Titan’s Blood, 9.99 (most popular!)
Amphora of Titan’s Blood 19.99 (hot!)
Fountain of Titan’s Blood 99.99 (best value!!!)
latent moon
getting aspects is now a gacha game
void vigil
if you hear everyone talk about beo and how broken it is and youve done 70 runs and still no unlock, like, who cares download the save. its a singeplayer game
twilit lodge
NO, earn your fun or the fun police will come and break your fingers
void vigil
also its taken me over a year for sure to grind for resource director and im still not done 
help
twilit lodge
And take the cover sleeves out of your game cases
void vigil
not the fun police 
twilit lodge
And replace them with GameStop sleeves
latent moon
And take the cover sleeves out of your game cases
that's a literal felony
latent moon
yeah fair enough carry on
void vigil
the gacha joke is really funny but i have hope that sg will not do anything like that lmao
twilit lodge
I’d like to think they have enough dignity not to
latent moon
considering they dont make dlc's they prob wont
brisk trail
the gacha joke is really funny but i have hope that sg will not do anything like...
Knowing what they have made so far I can tell ya they won’t
They are better than that and they won’t drop down to that level
void vigil
thats what i meant 👍 theyve done preorders for transistor and pyre afaik but never with any exclusive bonuses
stone rune
i dont think its 300 more like 250 but point stands
i believe it's like 308 or something
306
void vigil
yeah, i just upgraded a few already when i decided to hoard for the end goal
stone rune
like HESTIA💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
void vigil
i think i had chaos, chiron, zag sword maxed, odds and ends leveled
oh i did not touch rail so sorry i was bad at it
i like hestia now though
brisk trail
oh i did not touch rail so sorry i was bad at it
Lucifer is extremely nutty with the right hammers 
latent moon
it's just triple bomb lmao
brisk trail
it's just triple bomb lmao
Endless chamber go brrrrr
muted glen
Snow burst
muted glen
Pretty much
sleek robin
I see thanks
fleet lance
how do you use rama
gray apex
how do you use rama
Use your Special a couple times to spread it across the enemies and powershot one of them, usually one that didn’t get hit by the Special
Prioritize a good attack boon and hammers
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12I4fjG04we8_CoH9eeEXKQGcDJ37D6HW0PTNmWru0zA/view Read this for a more in depth explanation
brisk trail
Just get quick shot and explosive shot and slam Arti on attack and Aphrodite on special and see the crits go crazy
fleet lance
nm lol
i just did a run with rama focusing only on cast
demeter cast with deme/arty duo boon
insane dps
totally ignored my weapon
brisk trail
demeter cast with deme/arty duo boon
Yep
white path
Why am I never being offered Chaos's death defiance? Do I need to die once first?
sour fog
you need to get a Chaos boon first
so you need to visit Chaos at least twice to even have a chance to get it
white path
yep, it has offering requirements in the codex
But I've seen him twice several times, and with rerolls, still nothing. How rare is it?
cyan elbow
I don't play hades since a long time ago but
Was Dionysus blessing (for weapons/attacks) op or am I just stupid
white path
If I don't get Hammer in tatarus it's likely to show up in asphodel right?
I wasn't offered it except a forced shop in the last room
spark vapor
Does anyone know if theres a way to get dialogue to reappear/items to reappear? I unlocked Achilles' prophecy and the shop even had the letter to release him, but once i actually got the diamonds for it it disappeared and now I dont know how to get it jhfdkjskd
mint coral
Did you check all the work orders tab just to make sure?
spark vapor
its not in any of my work order tabs or even the prophecy list from the fates but ik it was there before
im not sure if i like. broke it somehow but im not even getting like dialogue to retrigger it 😭
analog elbow
I doubt you broke it
Have you checked if you purchased it, the broker keeps track of stuff you already own, including those release orders
spark vapor
its also not listed there unfortunately TToTT
analog elbow
Is it possible you saw it during someone else's gameplay? lol
Or maybe you have it on a different save
spark vapor
i dont think so? I dont really watch much gameplay besides like speedruns
Im like 100% certain it was in my save because I remember getting the dialogue from nyx to check the scrolls and achilles' dialogue prior to that, but now he doesnt even have the ! above him, just generic dialogue. I have both him and patroclus at full hearts until the lock. I even tried going back to patroclus with Achilles' spear and keepsake to see if that did anything and it didnt retrigger it
mint coral
Just to confirm something
After you got the contract to appear in the work orders did you keep playing to gather the diamonds asap or did you quit and play at some other point
sleek robin
If i play rama aphro’s special and artemis’ attack would it be good or i should play with zoos
spark vapor
I'm not sure tbh bc it popped up a few days ago, but i do think i played right after bc it was around the time i unlocked heats so i tried to play a lot
analog elbow
If i play rama aphro’s special and artemis’ attack would it be good or i should ...
It would be good, especially if you can get the duo
spark vapor
it disappeared yesterday and I thought that i would just restart my pc and it didnt show up
sleek robin
Cuz the normal build would be with aphro’s dash and zoos special with jolted ect.. but it’s hard to play
And heart rend too
mint coral
I dont like art atk on rama
sleek robin
Why
sleek robin
?
royal widget
and Arthur
sleek robin
Wich issue
mint coral
Most of your atks wont 1 shot enemies and the ones that do are overkill
You dont need 1k dmg shots for most enemies
analog elbow
A relatively small crit chance for a slow hit weap is not too good, but meh, it works well enough imo
royal widget
aph attack is best with big damage
arty is best with medium damage
mint coral
It stills works nicely if you have lots of additive from chaos
Twin/triple shot ofc also helps a lot compared to hestia-arthir
analog elbow
it disappeared yesterday and I thought that i would just restart my pc and it di...
Not sure how this could happen, sorry. You can try to ask in #h1-tech-support to see if Swan has heard of this before, but.. there's no guarantee
sleek robin
Twin/triple shot ofc also helps a lot compared to hestia-arthir
Wich one is the best
mint coral
it disappeared yesterday and I thought that i would just restart my pc and it di...
Hmm if you arent sure there is also a chance it didnt save?
Sadly cant help much on that bc of how the dialogue system works
mint coral
Wich one is the best
Twin is more comfy
analog elbow
I like chain shot, it's sooo nice with Rama
spark vapor
okay, thank you for the help
sleek robin
Ty guys
analog elbow
Well you spread the debuff and then you hit them all with the same attack and since they all share the damage, they're almost all guaranteed to just die
mint coral
Eh I feel even without chain rama has more than enough aoe for that
Just need to gather the enemies
analog elbow
I mean true, if you don't mind grouping them, then yea
I do enjoy building around the special with rama and just shoot at walls and let the autoaim do the work for me lol
mint coral
Special only rama is unarguably-
royal widget
Wich one is the best
twin into perfect for Rama
sleek robin
Os quick recovery that good ?
Cuz i can get either that in epic or hyper sprint in common for rama build
raw herald
i'd still just take hyper sprint
quick recovery is just safety, hyper sprint is safety + mobility + potentially DPS
analog elbow
Os quick recovery that good ?
It helps if you play an unfamiliar wep/build because it will contribute to keeping you alive lol
sleek robin
I see
worldly harness
I just walked past achilles after talking to thanatos and zagreus said : "Achilles thinks I'm the god of blood?"
what was that about
analog elbow
The codex belonged to Achilles and is written from his perspective
I think that bit of dialogue is trigerred if you open the codex after something happens
worldly harness
I think that bit of dialogue is trigerred if you open the codex after something ...
I gave than his first ambrosia and got the companion and immediately opened the codex, yes
yeah I found it
It's in thanatos' codex
Thanatos would never speak of this, but it is clear to me. Whence came the bond they share? My thought is that the Master's son must be the god of blood; of life
analog elbow
And so the theory goes, that's why he has red blood whereas everyone else's is black
analog elbow
I did science and yes it appeared
but ty
This applies to other stuff as well, like Hermes
You don't have to get them right away because you're guaranteed to see him at least twice in a run
analog elbow
You can see it when you hit underworld stuff, rats and satyrs still have red blood since they're alive
Can't remember if they leave marks on the ground tho, Hades does but they vanish after a moment
I made the connection because Alecto keeps teasing him for having red blood
aaand red blood is something that Mel has as well (supposedly), there's splotches on the ground in the trailer
gray apex
It’s too easy right?
royal widget
50d bombs kinda hurt
fleet lance
how do i even clear it lol
analog elbow
Like how you cleared the others before it, perseverance
Find the patterns and abuse them
I recall being shocked every time upon seeing what the EM stages added to each fight lol
immediately being followed by dying and me calling BS
rustic vale
how do i even clear it lol
Turn on fo2 it makes the fight end faster
limber ether
I swear with a ranged weapon EM3 is almost easier than EM2
Given Theseus doesn't really aim at you for his first phase
mint coral
Theseus is almost never the issue anyways
Em3 asterius will always be a pain of melee
Beyblade atk just leaves losing time with melees
sour fog
yeah beyblade is the basically the only problem with em3
brisk trail
I swear with a ranged weapon EM3 is almost easier than EM2
i find EM3 easier than base for some reason
royal widget
no shield means you can go full ham
analog elbow
Have you even played Hades if the answer isn't Bouldy 100% of the time?
mint coral
🔥 🔥
sleek robin
Bouldy is the best
stone rune
yeah
royal widget
oh wow
latent moon
parting shot kinda funny in phalanx hera
royal widget
i thought you had to actually set up backstabs with casts
but does that mean nem crest == braid?
stone rune
i thought you had to actually set up backstabs with casts
you do
unless it's phalanx
because phalanx fat hitbox
so if you don't undershoot
it spawns in enemy
and touches back
empty swallow
https://strawpoll.com/polls/GeZAOorAPnV
Bouldy is currently losing
Calling all bouldy enthusiasts please help us
calm zenith
Yeah ik that
Idk why sword has to have 4 gimmick hammers
I'd even call the projectile hammer a gimmick hammer.
muted glen
YESSSSS
feral belfry
fickle crystal
Bouldy deserves everything
mint coral
I'd even call the projectile hammer a gimmick hammer.
That one is a legit 2nd pick after dedge lol at least
limber ether
@stone rune do people usually take fiery on beo? (Continuing convo here instead of #h1-victory-boasting)
Ig shadow doesn't do much
meager ridge
i used to think this game was average but i've really got back into it after not playing for nearly a year
i don't know what i was on, this is great
stone rune
<@752689126448300033> do people usually take fiery on beo? (Continuing convo her...
yes
it's really nice for tart breakpoints
and like
you're not backstabbing with your casts lol
stone rune
like
with cshot
and fiery
you one shot wringers
cshot fiery hc
you one shot big orange dude who is buff but not fat
limber ether
Hc?
stone rune
high confidence
rustic vale
Why are you taking cp1
limber ether
Hell mode
royal widget
flex
stone rune
also why td1
limber ether
Cbs with survival rooms lol
royal widget
beo with HC FP is like 80 damage right
stone rune
do you not want survival rooms??
limber ether
Yeah they're irl time consuming
limber ether
I take way too much damage with beo to do hc
rustic vale
That extra +10% damage taken really adds up (it doesn’t)
limber ether
Nah just bull rushing into the middle of enemies
rustic vale
Just kill then first 7head
rustic vale
Nah just bull rushing into the middle of enemies
They should be dead also just dash out
limber ether
Ah yeah dashing out is probably a good idea
royal widget
not dead? load an extra cast
ez
limber ether
Fair lol
I've never gotten the hang of beo for some reason
Ik it's supposed to be mega easy
royal widget
are you using charge shot
royal widget
makes it 3x easier if you get it
limber ether
I am well aware
mint coral
Just having a block makes it so comfy
royal widget
you can also do that with cshot
limber ether
Lmao how often are you getting cshot in tart??
mint coral
Play charged flight so you dont need to stay close to enemies 🧠
limber ether
~~you can also do that with cshot~~
If I'm doing the maths right there's a 23% chance you get C shot on first hammer
royal widget
Lmao how often are you getting cshot in tart??
c1-c4
limber ether
Modded?
royal widget
yea
pine cosmos
Why are you taking cp1
cp1?
sour fog
calisthenics
latent moon
Ik it's supposed to be mega easy
Beowulf isn't that easy tbh
It's easier than some other top aspects for sure
But it does take a chunk of practice
latent moon
part of it is always dash striking into the rush
the other is cast management, which is one of the hardest parts
stuff like line ups and break points is common with every weapon
so that stuff is a little less important
but break points + cast management go hand in hand
stone rune
watch my gp for bad beo player 👍
latent moon
if anything mine's worse lmao
royal widget
oooh where
latent moon
this one's mine, jazz's is prob on src
i have a bunch on my youtube because i just record whenever i play beo on the off chance i get a sub6 lol
even tho a lot of them are mediocre times i just upload anyways because why not
stone rune
first gameplay error: clicking the resume button
optimize your gameplay
by pressing esc
breaks gold pot in chaos pauper room what a baller
BALLER WITH THE ARTY SHOP
doesn't even need to juice it
latent moon
first gameplay error: clicking the resume button
i dont want to hit esc then have to go back to wasd on the same hand
latent moon
that's a really big rotation ngl lmao
stone rune
long nail buff imo
latent moon
that's like a 60+ degree rotation
royal widget
i dont want to hit esc then have to go back to wasd on the same hand
same
latent moon
oh i didn't realize i 35-0 than in that run lmao
analog elbow
How did the fight go, @brisk trail ?
brisk trail
Lmao 6 hours of total game time to get to end i think thats not to bsd compared to my 20 hours it took to beat dead cells for the first time
analog elbow
That's really good, yea!
latent moon
I'd argue dead cells is a lot harder than hades lol
A lot less forgiving
Your dead cells skills probably transfered over to hades a lot lmao
brisk trail
Lmao
analog elbow
Definitely, if you have the same I can't afford to let anything touch me mentality
brisk trail
Im still in the middle of besting 2bc dead cells but i wanted to try a diff roguelike to see if i actually liked the genre or just the game
latent moon
I beat dead cells for the first time in like 4 runs, probably because of how much time I've put into hades but I haven't been able to get past bc1 lmao
brisk trail
Yikes comes with experience snd u have like 0 blue prints lmao
latent moon
Granted I don't play dead cells nearly as much as hades but I think it's safe to say that dead cells difficulty ramping is much steeper than hades
brisk trail
If u do best 1bc and reach 2bc its over for u its the biggest block in the game💀
mint coral
Dead cells is lc4 but buffed to the max
latent moon
It really is lmao
latent moon
If u do best 1bc and reach 2bc its over for u its the biggest block in the game�...
I'm procrastinating progress on dead cells by giving myself hard goals in hades instead lmao
brisk trail
I'm procrastinating progress on dead cells by giving myself hard goals in hades ...
Im bout to play like 7 roguelikes and balance school💀💀
latent moon
Lmfao based
brisk trail
U played gungeon or have a nice death or issac i eanna get em
latent moon
Nope lol
Although from what I hear Issac is a lot of pain but can be very fun
On the other hand my friend has put thousands of hours into the game before realizing he didn't like it lmfao
brisk trail
Although from what I hear Issac is a lot of pain but can be very fun
I like pain since i plan to 100% dead cells
stone rune
gungeon is good
brisk trail
Good to know
calm zenith
Isaac is a very specific roguelike because it's all about breaking the game
You arent supposed to just get by. You're supposed to find an exploit somewhere and use it.
stone rune
i got it and i just cant stand the 4 directional stuff
calm zenith
This is why there are 2 timed challenges for each character, which also is accessible if you have enough items
Fair
I've literally played it since it was a flash game
stone rune
i got it like
calm zenith
I have true 100% before the latest massive dlc
I'm just too old to finish this crap again. especially the actual challenges.
Isaac challenges are pure gimmicks.
And importantly, you are never really playing the complete game.
Because every goal unlocks something.
So you kinda have a bad starting experience.
Very hard game to get into now. I guided one streamer into a broken build and I think I ruined it for him.
latent moon
lmfao
stone rune
rn ive got in my backlog rebirth, children of morta, gungeon, ftl, going under, moonlighter, noita, tiny rogues, and west of dead
calm zenith
Just so much content you need to do, like uh 28 characters or something with like 9 goals each
stone rune
and that's only in the rogue category
calm zenith
Like 100 challenges lmao
latent moon
bruh i only have hades and dead cells and i dont even play dead cells
stone rune
and then i have like
latent moon
i might have some more actually but i dont play those or i dont know they exist
stone rune
blue shift, portal 2, bastion pyre transistor, call of the sea, hyperbolica, prey, postal 2, shadows over loathing
the only game im currently playing that i havent already finished is ultrakill because p-2 is whooping my ass
empty swallow
Rama special plus dire misfortune is so busted
hermes
49.57% (172 votes)
BOULDY
50.43% (175 votes)
BOULDY WON
LESSS GO
sleek robin
🍾
latent moon
strong dune
question is getting all the bounties from all the heat level basically impossibe?
analog elbow
You stop getting bounties after 20 heat on regular and 25 on hell-mode afaik
analog elbow
Absolutely, though you're in for a grind
strong dune
Is it that hard? 💀
analog elbow
No, just.. time consuming
strong dune
oh
I mean for me it's still fun
If it's just the fact of beating 150 times it's fine
analog elbow
Well, there's that, but there's an additional optional objective that takes.. a while
You'll find out soon enough
strong dune
You'll find out soon enough
idm spoilers
royal widget
32?
analog elbow
The Resources Director
strong dune
Im the type of person who watches the last episode of a show to see if it's good
royal widget
lol
strong dune
what's that
analog elbow
A.. resource dump
royal widget
yeah resources director gives completely arbitrary "ranks" nearby your hp
analog elbow
They will definitely unlock along your claim all bounties excursion
analog elbow
Well, that's in total, but yea
strong dune
damn ok
if referring to 100% damn yea, how long did it take people to unlock all of that
analog elbow
idk.. a long time
analog elbow
You can minmax runs for gathering certain resources, but darkness will definitely be the one that will take the longest to get if you wanna get that last rank
stone rune
idk
depends on your definition of 100%
100% as in getting all achievements is not that bad at all
100% as in including unseen one is a few months of hard work
100% as in max heat is like 5 years of hard work
strong dune
💀
Yea for me probably getting all achievements, bounties, and that unseen one... Max heat is probably impossible and i probably shouldn't be spending that much time in video games lol
Ok i'll probably just get all achievements and bounties, that is probably alot of unhealthy game time
that shouldn't be too hard right? jazz how would you rate that
stone rune
thats pretty eays
you'll quickly get to a baseline of being able to clear up to like 32 heat on every try if you just play a bit
stone rune
yeah
wait
no
it hasn't
i meant it hasn't
i think
was it in early 2018
well
1.0 was in like sep 2020
and there are no unm uns clears of 64
calm zenith
Yeah heat is designed in a way that it was never intended to go past 32 most likely
That's the skill cap
They just included more modifiers than you would ever need, and players tried more than recommended.
royal widget
Yeah heat is designed in a way that it was never intended to go past 32 most lik...
oh really?
that's weird
limber ether
oh really?
well 32 heat is the max heat that's rewarded by the game
royal widget
smh not even 64
mint coral
I think is balanced till 40 heat or a bit higher, after that uh yeah
have fun
also speaks that 32 heat is not a steam achievement too
latent moon
45 is probably mostly in the reasonable range
Depends what heat you take and aspect tho
muted glen
that's weird
Yeah, i mean if theres a limit people will try to hit it, regardless of difficulty
Like people tryna do p5 in hollow knight hitless
stone rune
i’d say up to 40 is the point where the games intended balance works
you can do 40 with meme builds and bad aspects pretty easily
past that your build quality is a lot more important
calm zenith
Fair. I was just going off of it being the max heat with a you know, heat achievement reward in game.
Tbf when I did 32 heat it was also em4 which is very unnecessary and extra difficulty.
I did dumb heat and struggled a lot
mint coral
I did 45 em4 dad cuz I wanted and it probably made me suffer as much as 50 heat did lmao
the nerves are so high at super dad
mint coral
I did 45 em4 dad cuz I wanted and it probably made me suffer as much as 50 heat ...
I still have one of my failures as one of my fav gifs tho
muted glen
Oo do show
muted glen
What
mint coral
I didnt expect dad to suddenly try to spin atk me at that distance lol
muted glen
Ah yeahh ok
mint coral
you can see the outline up to where the atk will hit is right next to zag barely
muted glen
Ahhh yeah
muted glen
What weapon?
mint coral
zag shield
muted glen
Good ol aegis
analog elbow
@manic vine care for some unwarranted feedback?
manic vine
Sure, go ahead.
analog elbow
Well, whenever you use Stubborn Defiance and pick up the Athena death defy boons, you can try to preemptively burn the stubborn defiance before picking up Athena boons in order to benefit from the additional res and not just the passive effect
stone rune
if you lose your SD
and you pick up an athena DD
it's an actual DD
and is used after your SD is used
but if you didn't lose your SD you don't gain the DD
what they're saying is it can be useful to reset before you pick up an athena boon
stone rune
it's an actual DD
(it gives you an extra one)
manic vine
Never thought of that, I grabbed the defiance boons for filler while looking for Blinding Flash
I'll keep that in mind, thanks you guys.
limber ether
but also death defiance is usually better unless you're running LC4
stone rune
oh yeah
manic vine
LC4?
analog elbow
Lasting Consequences, the one that cuts healing received during a run
mint coral
jazz with the transistor role 👀
nova pawn
Hades cross-saves be funny sometimes because I just loaded my save from Switch and IMMEDIATELY got 21 achievements.
devout geyser
Sometimes I wonder, am I the only person in the world that doesn't really care at all about achievements
winter harbor
This is like one out of like three games I’ve 100%ed
stone rune
on steam i have like 4 games 100%d
winter harbor
I feel like for roguelikes, it’s easier for me to want to get achievements since the replay value is built right in
stone rune
hades
and all the hexcells
lol
i just 100%d it because like
i looked at the achievements
and i had like 45/49
so i said why not
devout geyser
I feel kinda bad for some people wanting to 100% achievements in some games, for example in Garry's mod or something there was one that is impossible to get
devout geyser
Or like sometimes they require grinding
Ridiculous amount kind of
I think for me to get interested in getting them they would have to be somewhat reasonable
stone rune
hades achievements are pretty easy
most of them you get just by playing
the rest most of the time just take one or two runs
the only really long one is the max ranking all keepsakes
which i still havent done legit 
speedrun max save did it and i couldnt be bothered to go and remove it with sam
devout geyser
Btw I can see that you can type pretty fast
stone rune
thanks
winter harbor
Eh, for that one I’m pretty sure I just used that as an opportunity to try out different keepsakes
devout geyser
I have maybe 70 on 10ff
winter harbor
Not really expecting to win those runs but if I did, cool
stone rune
150 if im doing good
devout geyser
I've got mine at like 10 maybe, though I'm not that fast
At polish I can type maybe 100-110 on a good day
stone rune
i think its helpful to not have been taught how to type
i had 1 year of computer class where they tried to teach me how to type
but other than that i kinda just figured it out myself
cause the "proper" way to type sucks
devout geyser
Interesting, in my school I remember they've been giving us some text on paper and we were typing it back
Overall I think it would be kinda useless to learn that way since everyone uses phone nowadays
stone rune
i mean
most people still type way more on a standard keyboard
i use monkeytype to practice
devout geyser
cause the "proper" way to type sucks
I'm using the proper way btw xD on normal keyboard
But I've learned that myself
stone rune
you can set language
devout geyser
Interesting site
devout geyser
I'm using the proper way btw xD on normal keyboard
I guess the advantage might be that you move hand less, I think most of people use 7 fingers to write
I use 10 (I have to use alt for polish symbols), 9 in English tho
calm zenith
I learned to type from typing classes but I learned to write from the internet.
calm zenith
Despite it being my native language I had really bad English (I guess plenty of teenagers do) when I was like 14
devout geyser
I believe back in the day people had to be quite dedicated to learn to type on for example typewriter
calm zenith
Had to put together how to use commas and stuff.
stone rune
Despite it being my native language I had really bad English (I guess plenty of ...
im 14
calm zenith
Yeah typing was a dedicated skill
stone rune
i mean
calm zenith
But iirc they had different less optimized keyboards. Uncertain.
stone rune
But iirc they had different less optimized keyboards. Uncertain.
it was just more unstable
calm zenith
I've also heard qwerty was invented because abcde was too fast
stone rune
you had differetn places for different keys
stone rune
I've also heard qwerty was invented because abcde was too fast
it was invented for typewriters because keys would stick
calm zenith
Makes sense
stone rune
if you pressed keys in sequence next to each other or something
devout geyser
I wish qwerty would change to something else, that's better for typing
calm zenith
Yeah
stone rune
changing your keyboard layout is more primarily for typing comfort rather than typing speed
calm zenith
I'm really pretty bad with keyboard layouts. I got surprisingly good at black mage in ffxiv clicking
Clicking your layout is extremely looked down upon in mmos like that
Black mage is slow and I figured it out
stone rune
also
calm zenith
At least parsed high enough for the top stuff. Couldn't get a team that could push anything.
stone rune
are there actually that many final fantasy games?
calm zenith
Yes
stone rune
is the number just which game in the series it is?
calm zenith
Like legitimately probably 50
stone rune
how do people differentiate them
devout geyser
Final fantasy? Does Chrono trigger count?
calm zenith
There is a series of tactics games for example
Nah that's a 1 off
Well 2
There is even a sub series of games in the same, slightly darker setting with Eldritch gods.
devout geyser
I wonder how I'd like some final fantasy games, I haven't really played any of them
stone rune
i have played very few rpgs in general
calm zenith
If you like the tediousness for example
FFXII is actually an auto battler basically
You set up complex AI action priority trees
Just build the characters
devout geyser
FFXII is actually an auto battler basically
Reminds me of these mobile games from ads
calm zenith
Then maybe micromanage
Yeah but a lot more raw
You still need to make individual actions
There is some combo chaining with your specials
But the main combat mechanic is setting up conditionals
Gambits they're called
winter harbor
I’ve played much more western RPGs than JRPGs
calm zenith
You just buy them from shops usually for cheap
There are hundreds
So it isnt simple
devout geyser
Btw. I've heard somewhere that hades was initially alot slower game but it grew up to be the game we have now
winter harbor
I think persona 4 is still good but I was turned off by the massive amount of cutscenes in the first hour
calm zenith
Yeah that was my issue when I started up ffix
You start as a mysterious lost child
Just bored me
devout geyser
I think persona 4 is still good but I was turned off by the massive amount of cu...
Oh, for me I've got bored with persona after the stuff started to be repeatable
winter harbor
I did get some more JRPGs later but only after looking up if they were cutscene heavy, like chrono trigger
devout geyser
Hmm, was Chrono trigger that heavy when it comes to cutscenes
calm zenith
It's not an actual plot. It can be fun but I'm just well past the target audience for this.
No
And it all looks very good
winter harbor
I was saying it as an example of a JRPG I got afterwards, not calling it cutscene heavy
devout geyser
Idk if it's just me but often when I'm trying some jrpgs they have that similar vibe, do you think so too? I'm quite curious if that's only me
calm zenith
It has a lot of complex stuff that is now a given
Like iirc it has 14 different endings
Because it's a game about history and time
Joke endings
Like 3 ways just to access the final boss
Very cool game
Anyone can appreciate it if they like rpgs
Easiest way to access it is probably on your phone. It plays very well
I might even replay it in the future. I found an API of FF tactics on my phone and basically demolished that.
I unlocked Onion Knight lvl 8. If you know you know
brisk trail
hmmm guys whats ur favorite track from the game mine is good ridance
stone rune
final expense payback mix
brisk trail
that is also a good one
muted glen
In the blood
void vigil
very hard to pick a fave and for these i always dont count the ones with lyrics bc they obviously stand out the most, but i really like wretched shades
also not official soundtrack, but this version of no escape/death and i is sooo good (timestamped) https://youtu.be/4-BTzXA7_aY?t=2367
this concert in general was so good ;__;
mint coral
hmmm guys whats ur favorite track from the game mine is good ridance
Lament of orpheus and uh whats the one called for bosses like tony vermin and barge of death
Ah the bloodless
And ofc god of the dead
sturdy rivet
https://i.imgur.com/vPMT3bv.png update? 👀
sour fog
actually yes though
sturdy rivet
yes its real
alpine parrot
what its the new on the update?
muted glen
Let us know what happens
sturdy rivet
I dont know?
sour fog
no patch notes, just got 7.7MB download
sour fog
probably
sturdy rivet
exactly ^^
Words cannot describe how excited I am for Hades II
But I also hope the devs take their sweet time
sturdy rivet
I'll be on top of that as someone who was initially cautious about Hades
languid jacinth
I hope we get a date sometime soon, its honestly probably going to be the game im looking forward to the most this year.
granite ocean
i just saw an 8 mb update on hades??? what was that?
latent moon
Steam deck?
granite ocean
no, just steam
royal widget
try it with Achilles
sour fog
try 3 legendaries
muted glen
And 3 duos
unreal oracle
whats a Good strat for Extreme Measures 4
royal widget
shield
latent moon
for anyone wondering whether it possible to get 3 duo boons in a single run
it's possible to get more lol
muted willow
is there something you can get to get better boons in your runs?
royal widget
second-to-last and third-to-last mirror options
however it's recommended to swap Olympian favor to green
meager ridge
does anyone else think that the aspect of beowulf is garbage?
royal widget
i think you're completely alone
meager ridge
it barely does any damage and it's so unbearably slow
stone rune
does anyone else think that the aspect of beowulf is garbage?
lol
stone rune
it barely does any damage and it's so unbearably slow
lol
raw herald
does anyone else think that the aspect of beowulf is garbage?
yeah
royal widget
I've dealt a 4000+ damage combo in one attack
so . . .
royal widget
speaking of beowulf
raw herald
royal widget
is RD viable on it
i feel like a charge would take more than 0.7 seconds
raw herald
It is very viable
royal widget
mmm
raw herald
If you dont get uptime after the charge, dash after the casts come out
mint coral
Dash after the rush
royal widget
well with dad call ig it makes sense too
stone rune
is RD viable on it
i feel like a charge would take more than 0.7 seconds
like rush delivery??
royal widget
yes, RD is rush delivery, isn't it?
raw herald
Ryper dprint
stone rune
yes
royal widget
not viable i meant usable
latent moon
it barely does any damage and it's so unbearably slow
tmw it's currently holding the wr
you're probably not using a good cast/flare on it
stone rune
no it is slow and does no damage
latent moon
latent moon
not viable i meant usable
if rama can make use of rd, beo def can lmao
royal widget
latent moon
the only aspect that can't make great use of rd is prob like chiron if you play it properly lmao
fleet lance
whats RD
latent moon
extremely good considering one of the prereqs is hyper sprint, where you get a brief 100% bonus movement speed
stone rune
no cause that's not bonus
latent moon
so it's a free 50/75/100/125% more damage depending on the rarity
fleet lance
no cause that's not bonus
but what if you charge and then dash
stone rune
then you get the dash extra movespeed while the sprint lasts
royal widget
charge what
latent moon
the bull rush won't have bonus damage because hyper sprint wasn't active during that time
i dont think
fleet lance
but the casts will right
latent moon
oh yeah for beo yes
fleet lance
atleast the ones that occur after dashing
latent moon
as long as you dash after
royal widget
if you dash after releasing
i assume
latent moon
it's part of why you really want cshot lol
royal widget
OHHH
fleet lance
btw i think curse of drowning is a negative for beo right