h1-discussion

[stone rune]

take lightnign strike

[wary charm]

by any chance

[stone rune]

find static discharge from zeus

find tidal dash frolm poseidon

find arty flourish

idk which one you force if you get neither

[mint coral]

I force pos normally

[latent moon]

there's a build guide pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

the only copy pasta i got is the rama one and i didn't even write it

[wary charm]

im on my 69th escape atempt

[analog elbow]

nice

[wary charm]

i love clearing rooms with only a base cast cause chaos made me lose 3 hp on atack

[latent moon]

just atk

dont get hit

you wont die

it'll leave you at 1 hp lol

[wary charm]

still

i dont trust myself

dionysus call is so good

[mint coral]

Special

[wary charm]

spread explosive or flurry fire

spread and explosive are both fire btw

[latent moon]

flurry

[rustic vale]

If zag aspect -> spreadfire
Otherwise flurry

[wary charm]

alr

im using eri

eris

anyone got a eris rail night mirror?

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t change from what I showed you earlier

[wary charm]

alright

even fiery presence?

that doesnt seem right

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[wary charm]

the shots do 12 base damage

[rustic vale]

10*

But

[wary charm]

damn

still weird

[rustic vale]

Look at your special

[wary charm]

ye but im not using only special tho

[rustic vale]

Ideally

Especially for eris

you are using your special

[mint coral]

Rail special also cant backstab

Which is kinda obvious but still

[rustic vale]

also shadow presence is pisspoor damage on your shots as well

either way their pisspoor damage boosts for your attack but fiery presence good for your special

And it’s eris so you are specialling to keep that damage bonus up

Also just building around special is something all rails do

Looking for rocket bomb and cluster bomb

[wary charm]

actually imma just follow the 100% achievements all gods max afinity all aspects max level with all companions 5 star every contractor job bought max night mirror max keepsake level hades 3 atack one shot 2 minutes and 44 seconds no hitboonless run speedruners advice

[rustic vale]

?

[wary charm]

ye thats enough

[mint coral]

Speedrunners - no hit
Pick one

[latent moon]

there are no hit speedruns

[wary charm]

cant you do both?

[rustic vale]

I mean

you’re losing speed by trying to go hitless

[mint coral]

Tbf i havent catch up with hades speedruns in a while

[rustic vale]

It’s a seperate category

perhasp?

[wary charm]

hm

[mint coral]

Idk how popular no hit speedruns are

[wary charm]

i dont know

never speedran

i dont even have the game 100% completed

[rustic vale]

I haven’t looked at speedrun.com in a while

But last I checked

[wary charm]

with eveything max

[latent moon]

hitless got a bit more popular because of guan yu week

there's a server for it now

[mint coral]

Neat

[rustic vale]

Have fun grinding 325k darkness for resource director

[latent moon]

but otherwise yeah

speedruns dont care about their hp

so they just face tank a lot of stuff

[rustic vale]

But also

why tf did that even come up

[wary charm]

whats resource director

[rustic vale]

This message has me uber confused

[mint coral]

Enough care to keep high confidence at the start at least

[latent moon]

in croven's hera run he straight up takes a -hp per attack curse from chaos with flurry shot hera lol

[wary charm]

and i already saw a speedruner with 426k darkness anyway

[latent moon]

max save file lol

everyone downloads it

[wary charm]

it was haelian i think

[latent moon]

yeah

max save file

[mint coral]

And... Not die at lernie tax/dad with the unga bunga weapons

[calm zenith]

How about guan yu max hits

[latent moon]

although he does play a lot

[wary charm]

makes sense

[rustic vale]

Spoilers if you don’t know them I believe

[calm zenith]

Max healing

[wary charm]

nobody is crazy enough to actually get 325k darkness

[latent moon]

wdym guan yu max healing

[rustic vale]

You’re wrong

I’m on my way

[mint coral]

Lol

[calm zenith]

I was making a joke about guan yu hitless runs

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[calm zenith]

The opposite being a run where you take a ton of damage and heal it

[rustic vale]

And I’m 99% sure both Haelian and Nyaanyaa got their resource director maxed legit

[latent moon]

that's just a normal guan yu spin build run lmao

[calm zenith]

I think I'm close enough. Jawless Paul also got it

[wary charm]

whats a resource director

[calm zenith]

Exactly

Max rank

[mint coral]

Cosmetic resource sink

[rustic vale]

If you don’t know them it’s a spoiler

[wary charm]

how do i get ranks

hades already told me i have ranks unlocked

[calm zenith]

Unlocked later

[wary charm]

but i skipped the entire dialoge

[latent moon]

[rustic vale]

give darkness + resources to resource director

[latent moon]

it's in his room

[wary charm]

idk how or where to get it

[calm zenith]

It's in the room north of achilles

[wary charm]

oh makes sens

[calm zenith]

Yeah his room

[rustic vale]

There are 50 ranks, getting all of them requires 325k darkness + a bunch of other metacurrency

[calm zenith]

When you are allowed to go in there you can buy cosmetic ranks that appear by your health bar and in screenshots

[wary charm]

got a hammer on my third room damn]

[rustic vale]

it’s literally just to make your victory screen look neater

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Just clout

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1084241364457357413/IMG_3102.jpg

Like how this says “Gamma Wraith” in the bottom left

[latent moon]

oh bruh i'm only on delta agent

[rustic vale]

L

[wary charm]

hazard bomb delta chamber or flurry fire

eris rail

[rustic vale]

2nd hammer?

[wary charm]

first

i re started the run

[latent moon]

delta

[wary charm]

ok

[calm zenith]

Yeah delta

Makes it easier

Can focus more on special

[wary charm]

alrighto

[rustic vale]

Delta also gives free iframes

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Hazard Bomb is basically a silly challenge on Eris

Dont take it with Eris unless you want a dumb run

[wary charm]

losing hp for a damage buff

[calm zenith]

Yeah and you will take a lot of dmg

But you can do massive dmg hazard bombs

[rustic vale]

Well

1% of your hazard bomb damage

[calm zenith]

Eris can boost it

[rustic vale]

It’s not a lot of damage in the short term

[calm zenith]

Fair

[rustic vale]

Which is the only term that matters

[calm zenith]

Still probably not a great idea unless you're super confident

[wary charm]

imagine ur hazard bomb crits and does 1k damage

[rustic vale]

Then you’d take 10 damage

[wary charm]

that would still be 10 damag

[calm zenith]

That's low dmg

[wary charm]

exactly

[rustic vale]

not much

[calm zenith]

You could probably do 3k

[wary charm]

if you did a 10k damage crit somehow it would be 100 damag

[rustic vale]

Just reset your sd-

I think 10k crit is unreasonable

[calm zenith]

Idk how strong hazard bomb is as my favorite rail is Eris so I usually don't take it

Yeah

It's kinda the strongest hammer

[rustic vale]

even with as many high rarity chaos boons as possible

rockets > hazard bomb

It’s just better

[calm zenith]

True

[rustic vale]

Also hazard bomb makes your bomb take longer to drop

[calm zenith]

Highest dmg hammer

True

I'm not super familiar with it again. I thought it just did set dmg

[rustic vale]

I believe I went up to delta wraith sfter that run

[latent moon]

based

[rustic vale]

?

[calm zenith]

I just know it's used

[latent moon]

unless it's high heat but yeah

[calm zenith]

I think I'm a Fixer

[wary charm]

what are the super rare fish

[rustic vale]

It makes you bomb into an 80 base damage rocket instead of making your bomb into a 200 base damage nuke

[calm zenith]

The chaos mantaray

[rustic vale]

But you can stack cluster bomb on that

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Clockets is stronger

[rustic vale]

and also the nuke takes too long to drop compared to the signficiantly faster then base bomb rocket bomb

[calm zenith]

Especially for eris. So easy.

You can just spam clockets too. Eris is so flexible.

[rustic vale]

Rocket is literally just faster aside from damage

[analog elbow]

Does that trigger revenge effects? It may be an interesting interraction

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

If only revenge effect were worth

[wary charm]

i killled alecto for the first time withouth losing hp

crazy

[calm zenith]

I dont know if it triggers Revenge. I think Revenge boons are at best a solid counter for like, -stone enemies that shoot lasers

[latent moon]

heavens vengeance is good

[calm zenith]

And that's mainly Zeus's because it has infinite range

Yeah

[rustic vale]

That’s the only one

[latent moon]

get jolted for even more revenge damage 🧠

[rustic vale]

Outside of funny ME revenge

Get curse of vengeance then deflect vengeance from athena

[calm zenith]

That one will handle annoying laser enemies and such super well

Especially with jolted. Huge stacking bolt dmg.

[rustic vale]

Extra ME damage 🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠

[calm zenith]

I've done that.

It's fun.

Too bad the range on those revenges suck

[rustic vale]

The range only sucks on athenas

[calm zenith]

Fair

[rustic vale]

Curse of vengeance is chilling

[calm zenith]

I just really only want Ares's for like

[rustic vale]

Hangover

[calm zenith]

Maybe curse of nausea sometimes

Yeah

It's cool it is a prereq

Can take aphro too

[wary charm]

shop or hermes boon?

ris

eris

412 gold

[rustic vale]

restraining myself from sending the 52 base damage dionysus call image for the 100th time

[calm zenith]

Has Hermes appeared already?

[wary charm]

no

[calm zenith]

Shop probably then

[rustic vale]

Aphro > ares for hangover, you just go ares if you find him naturally

[calm zenith]

He will appear later

[wary charm]

ok

thanks

[calm zenith]

Yeah I know

I do it when Ares pops up and I'm trying for both for the dmg

52 isnt even huge hangover dmg. I've seen just special do in the 200s from crits

[rustic vale]

52 per stack

[calm zenith]

I want to force an actually good Splitting Headache build with a dio call build

Oh lmao

What level? That's the kind of thing I want.

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1034995274776588378/IMG_2424.jpg?width=1239&height=701

[calm zenith]

I want a 1000 hangover crit

[wary charm]

i remember my first run

i died to the 2 bomb trower miniboss

[calm zenith]

I know someone here proved you can get a 10k doom crit

[rustic vale]

“Actually good” and “splitting headache” in the same sentence

[analog elbow]

Dio's call is prolly the best in terms of damage

[rustic vale]

dio ≈ zeus for damage

[calm zenith]

RD boosts it even more

[latent moon]

mysterra has done a lot of insane high heat runs of 60+ and some of the more recent ones got carried by dio call lol

[calm zenith]

Does jolted make Zeus win out?

[analog elbow]

Actually Poseidon's may be the best, but you can't do anything else

[stone rune]

what

[rustic vale]

They just scale differently

[analog elbow]

damage wise

[rustic vale]

No

[calm zenith]

Poseidon's is fine for some stuff but Dio's just scales amazing

[rustic vale]

It sucks

[stone rune]

pos call and damage are mutually exclusive

[calm zenith]

Yeah it's not an amazing call

[rustic vale]

Zeus and dio scale differently

[stone rune]

zeus and dio literally exist

[analog elbow]

I've gotten it to crit for 1k easy..

[rustic vale]

they are just better

[rustic vale]

…and?

[calm zenith]

1k isnt a lot of dmg

[analog elbow]

It's the best damage wise, not overall

That was my whole point lol

[rustic vale]

It sucks damage wise

[calm zenith]

It's also kinda tricky to control and doesnt have much aoe

[stone rune]

it's not the best damage wise by a large margin

[analog elbow]

Chill

[calm zenith]

Dio and Zeus do

[stone rune]

athena call is miles better for damage

[rustic vale]

It’s wrong though

[stone rune]

because you can actually attack with it

[calm zenith]

Deflect is legit dmg

[rustic vale]

Zeus and dio actually just scale so much harder

[stone rune]

with pos call you're stuck with an extremely low damage useless attack

[calm zenith]

I just sometimes wish brilliant riposte didnt open up her legendary

[rustic vale]

and aren’t reliant on hunters mark or pp to do 1k damage

[calm zenith]

1k is pretty low for a mark build

I've seen 5k casually on an Arthur crit build

[rustic vale]

Every call aside from ares and poseidon are better then ares and poseidon dps wise because they don’t lock you out

[calm zenith]

Shadow slash helped

[analog elbow]

Yes, duh, I said that

[stone rune]

no you specifically said it's the best damage call

[rustic vale]

posiedon doesn’t even win out in the doing damage purely from call category

[analog elbow]

..

[rustic vale]

Dio and zeus both hard contest it

[wary charm]

i have artemis flourish and zeus atk what do i force now

eris

[latent moon]

you missed the second part where he said "you can't do anything else" lmao

[analog elbow]

yes, and in terms of flat call damage, it is

[stone rune]

ok but it does less than zeus and dio

[rustic vale]

even then

Dio and zeus are still going to do more

[thorny mirage]

Ares call better clearly

[stone rune]

because it literally has no scaling

[rustic vale]

they (zeus and dio) scale better

[calm zenith]

You dont really need to force anything now

[stone rune]

pomming it increases duration

not damage

the only supporting boons for it are beaver and typhoons

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1094492977897934888/output.png?width=800&height=600

[rustic vale]

Riptide

[latent moon]

that says damage

[stone rune]

wait what

nevermind

[latent moon]

[calm zenith]

You dont need and likely wont use lightning rod

[latent moon]

also like

zeus call doesn't do that much damage by itself

[rustic vale]

Still worse then dionysus

[calm zenith]

If you had gotten aphro special I would suggest you force smouldering air

[thorny mirage]

If you have the tier 2s for zeus you’re fine

[latent moon]

yeah i can agree that pos doesn't do as much as dio

[rustic vale]

zeus needs to scale off it’s boons

[latent moon]

with just calls, pos is prob better than zeus

[rustic vale]

Put dio will outperform at equivalent pomming levels

[latent moon]

yep

agreed

[rustic vale]

Zeus needs the t2’s more then poms for scaling

Zeus just scales differently

[latent moon]

well actually

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1094493269976686608/output.png?width=800&height=600

how often does hangover tick again

.5?

for how long?

[stone rune]

yeah

4 seconds

i thin

[rustic vale]

8

[wary charm]

the cluster bomb meta is just shooting it above zagreus?

[rustic vale]

8 ticks over duration

[stone rune]

yeah 4 seconds

so 8 ticks

[rustic vale]

5 stacks

[stone rune]

it's a melee weapon

hug them

[latent moon]

okay yeah dio call does more

[stone rune]

but dio call ticks more than 5 times right

[latent moon]

6

[stone rune]

it should refresh the duration

for a bit

[rustic vale]

Yup

[latent moon]

yeah pos call damage is good

[rustic vale]

maybe 1 more tick

But

It’s opportunity cost

[latent moon]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Said opportunity being all your other damage

[stone rune]

also it sucks on kbm

[rustic vale]

It sucks on controller

it sucks

[latent moon]

i never had issues with pos call on kbm

[stone rune]

it's really hard to actually hit the enemy with on kbm

[brisk trail]

Question: Is recording runs on the steam deck possible?

[stone rune]

yeah but you're good at the game

[stone rune]

it's a computer

[latent moon]

it's literally just wasd it's not that bad

like yeah it's not great

but it's not that bad

[stone rune]

yeah but you can't WD then SA

[rustic vale]

Jazz plays on a bongo shaped keyboard

[stone rune]

you have to like rotate back around

[stone rune]

ok im ngl i do now

let me get a pic

[latent moon]

thats fine?

[rustic vale]

Duration

[brisk trail]

Yeah but i mean like in gaming mode

[latent moon]

you can get 2 hits in a small call

or 3

idr

but like

it's fine

[rustic vale]

It takes off your duration to actually have to pull a full 180

[latent moon]

i mean how many more hits are you realistically gonna get

it's not a long duration to begin with

[analog elbow]

Also good iframes in a pinch

I feel a lot of people in here dismiss stuff based on other people dissing on it and without actually trying it

[stone rune]

it's like too many inputs

[latent moon]

just rotate around wasd

you literally main hestia

you thrive on too many inputs

[stone rune]

anyways cant find my phone but

[stone rune]

https://i.etsystatic.com/19214756/r/il/baaf5d/4255769415/il_794xN.4255769415_hcsl.jpg

[latent moon]

oh those things

my friend uses something like that iirc

[analog elbow]

What are those omg

[latent moon]

keyboard lol

[stone rune]

corne light

[latent moon]

i mean you can still totally rotate around wasd with that lmao

[analog elbow]

That's pretty sick ngl

[stone rune]

yeah i just would like to comment on my cool new keyboard and took the opportunity

[latent moon]

lmfao fair enough

[analog elbow]

For your ultimate tryhard gamer

respect

[stone rune]

it's actually inconvenient for most games because layers for weapons is not fun

typing fine

i haven't adapted enough to play ultrakill on it

[latent moon]

yeah from what i remember my friend said that it's not great for games lmao

i forgot what exactly was inconvenient for them but they didn't like it

[analog elbow]

It's probably meant for stuff without many keybinds

IE roguelikes and what not

Why was it conceived, jazz?

[stone rune]

typing

40% and lower are not intended to be god gamer keyboards

[analog elbow]

Oooh.. interesting

[stone rune]

you can do fine with them but that's not their intended purpose

[latent moon]

wdym by 40%

[stone rune]

that's like

the name for keyboards smaller than maybe a planck

well

[latent moon]

oh lol

[stone rune]

a planck or smaller

[latent moon]

i'm not familiar with keyboard wordings

[stone rune]

because

100% keyboard has alphas, mods, numrow, nav cluster, and numpad

without numpad is 80% or in GAMER TERMS tkl

without nav cluster is 75%

without arrow keys and f row is 60%

without num row is 40%

and then below is all a hodge podge

[analog elbow]

Seems kinda counterintuitive to have a keyboard meant for typing without numbers

[wary charm]

achiles told me to keep talking to patroclus for him

now i need his companion but he doesnt let me feed him ambrosia

[analog elbow]

You're locked behind dialogue, just gotta keep chatting

It's something that can happen when you progress faster than the "intended" pacing of the game

[wary charm]

ok thanks radish

[analog elbow]

or if you ignore gifting until you realize it's actually important lol

That one also happens to be my fave companion

[wary charm]

is double wave good for beowulf?

[analog elbow]

Which boon is that?

[stone rune]

second wave?

entirely useless

[wary charm]

the legendary

oh alright

[stone rune]

it doesn't deal extra damage

and flood flare knockback is pathetic

[analog elbow]

Maybe if you have Sea Storm

Buuut that's about it for bosses

It's excellent for clearing otherwise imo

[stone rune]

like

[wary charm]

bro i loaded 6 casts into my shield

[stone rune]

second wave can be useful for any other slot on any other weapon

[wary charm]

i have 4 cause of stone

wtf

it even dropped 4 casts

6

[stone rune]

but flood flare's knockback is nearly nonexistent

and you're not gonna get sea storm

i don't see any reason to take the lego other than to sell it if you accidentally took typhoon's or beaver

[wary charm]

how rare are super rare fish?

dont say super rare radish

dont say it

[analog elbow]

Pretty rare afaik because some have only a few spawn point chances and then you need a perfect catch which doesn't guarantee it

[wary charm]

whats a perfect catch exactly

[analog elbow]

so.. super rare lol

[wary charm]

i once got a medusa

in the void from chaos

projelly

[analog elbow]

it's when you hit the catch button almost right away after the bobber sinks

[wary charm]

i almost always do that

its very easy to catch fish

[analog elbow]

Do you get the perfect catch message?

[wary charm]

normally

[analog elbow]

Then you're fine, just gotta get lucky with fishing point spawns

[wary charm]

hm

i once got the big catch from poseidon

i sold it instantly tho

that was the only time i got it

[analog elbow]

Yea, you can get it in a normal run, check the codex for the prereqs

[wary charm]

codex

the codex is the c key right

[analog elbow]

I think so yea

[wary charm]

how do i open it

withouth a character showing afinity

[analog elbow]

Each god can list the boons they offer if you purchased the codex upgrade

[wary charm]

or catching a fish

my codex doesnt open bro

[analog elbow]

You may not have it then lol

Unless you changed the keybind for it, the setting will tell you what it is

[wary charm]

ooh nvm

it only opens

if ur not in combat

[analog elbow]

yes

[wary charm]

got a artemis poseidon challenge room

if i dont get mirage shot im going to assasinate someone

[analog elbow]

I got bad news

You can't get duos from challenge of the gods rooms

[wary charm]

goddamn

is artemis zagreus cousin or something

since zeus is her father

along with 90% of the olympians

[analog elbow]

I think so? Idk if it's clearly spelled out in game

[wary charm]

i guess

cause like

zeus is hades brother

and hes the father of half of the olympian pantheon

[analog elbow]

Yes, she's Zeus' daughter

[wary charm]

i said that 3 times

you think i dont know

[analog elbow]

It's more for myself

[wary charm]

crazy

[analog elbow]

Had to check

The greek pantheon family tree is too crazy for me to remember

[wary charm]

everyone already had a son or daughter with everyone in the greek pantheon

like literally

didnt zeus have a son with a horse onc

once

or was that another god

[analog elbow]

That was Loki afaik

ik zeus turned into a goose once and got it on with someone

[wary charm]

wtf

how do you make it with a goose

[analog elbow]

Idk man, gotta ask Zeus

[wary charm]

makes sens

is aphrodites zeus daughter too?

[analog elbow]

Oh wait, it was a swan nvm lol

[wary charm]

and does that make it better

its a goose with a long neck and bigger wings

[analog elbow]

clearly, yes lol

much more majestic than a goose

[wary charm]

well ye

is aphrodite also daughter of zeus or not

i have no idea

i once had one of these random house of hades souls say he would do anything for a glimpse of aphrodite

cant blame him

died of dehydration btw

[analog elbow]

Oh yea lol
The shade that died of thirst

[wary charm]

exactly

one of my favorite shade dialogues is the one that dodged 5 arrows and died to the 6th one

[analog elbow]

Gotta count for something

[stone rune]

poseidon had pegasus

[wary charm]

what do you mean

[stone rune]

poseidon and medusa had a kid

pegasus

i think they had 3 kids or something

[wary charm]

wtf

thats crazy

atleast medusa is reincarnated by dusa in the game

and she doesnt have a lower body

or else she wouldnt be safe around some people

that voted dusa over euridyce on that one poll

[wary charm]

i got a offer

2 titan blood for 1 ambrosia

wtf

[analog elbow]

Some broker "deals" are actual scams

[wary charm]

fr

like 5 keys for a nectar

[analog elbow]

Some vary depending on your current resource need

Keys quickly become irrelevant sadly

[wary charm]

eh

after all weapon and mirror upgrades its literally useless

only for trading

[analog elbow]

yep

[wary charm]

u know a good nemesis sword build?

its all artemis isnt it

[analog elbow]

Not necessarily since it has innate crit

You could go aphrodite

[wary charm]

i dont have 2 keepsakes

and idk from who

one is from aprodite

[analog elbow]

You'll find out

[wary charm]

the other is in middle of cosmic egg and featjer

feather

you know what it is?

[analog elbow]

You can check the codex for who you haven't gifted

[wary charm]

oh ye

its deuseless

is flurry slash good

[analog elbow]

Yes, but you still need to use special for the crit

[wary charm]

alright

[calm zenith]

Artemis is good on Nemesis attack

I often do heart rend. Artemis and Aphro duo

Aphro special

Bonus crit dmg on weak

[wary charm]

ok

[calm zenith]

Pretty simple since you're using special regularly anyway

[wary charm]

let me see that

damn 150

wtf bro

thats broken

[calm zenith]

Its solid yeah

[wary charm]

never got it

i need to gift aphrodite too

two in one

great

[calm zenith]

Nice

I personally find Artemis more consistent than Aphrodite on Nemesis until you get a few poms on your attack

But then it sort of evens out if you get Hunter's Mark

[wary charm]

well

i got heroic deadly strike

[calm zenith]

Nice

Too bad it doesnt matter

Deadly strike damage basically doesnt matter

[wary charm]

more dmg atleast

[calm zenith]

Yeah a bit

[latent moon]

45-50% more damage isn't too bad tbf lol

[calm zenith]

Just not as much as something else. With Artemis you need to get other boons and pom them to get real boosts

[latent moon]

just dont pom it lmao

[calm zenith]

And Chaos boons, Well items, Heart Rend can help, some other stuff too.

Like Deadly Strike is good on Beowulf for multiple reasons. Beowulf can boost its attack damage, making Artemis more consistent.

Though the crits will really only matter on bosses

Or your build is struggling

Why is Beowulf so ridiculous

And why does it specifically have bugs that make it stronger lmao

[wary charm]

i love when i hit a enemy consecutively for 8 seconds

and it does not die

(its a super buterfly ball)

[latent moon]

I mean there's a lot of other beo bugs that suck

It's just that mirage bug is extremely good lol

And it's easy to look over the bad bugs because of mirage bug

[latent moon]

It's only good purpose is really just opening up mirage shot lol

It just helps that beo atk is also pretty good

[wary charm]

anyone ever bought a no fire wheel scroll?

[stone rune]

best thing ever in high heat

[wary charm]

i never seen to get it

[calm zenith]

I always get it if I see it

Once got it the first chamber of Elysium

Its rare

Extremely good

[wary charm]

are buterfly balls backstabeable?

cause like

they are circle

circular

[calm zenith]

Flamewheels are legitimately the worst thing ever for fists

[wary charm]

circles dont have backs

[calm zenith]

Like jeez you can tell fists were added later

Idk the exact timeline but it just doesnt seem like fists were in mind when they came up with flamewheels

[wary charm]

erm acthualee the fists were the second last weapon to get added 🤓

[calm zenith]

Yeah

You just take so much damage if you have any regard for time

Even taking it safe and killing them from a range with fists somehow can get you hit

[wary charm]

talos is good against flamewheel

somehow

[calm zenith]

The safe way to kill them is too slow

Yeah

Arthur is probably the best Flamewheel punisher

Slow them down then just use special again

Arthur special builds work by the way

Very fun

[wary charm]

you cant backstab medusa brinstones

brim

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[wary charm]

what about balls

and brimstone crystals

[calm zenith]

Some enemies dont have backs. Back stabs are weak.

Well not weak but kinda slow

Can work on some aspects

Wide range ones like gilgamesh actually do well with backstab

[wary charm]

FINALLY GOT HEART REND BRO

GODDAMN

HAD TO FIGHT A PURPLE MEDUSA CRYSTAL FOR IT

[calm zenith]

But generally you use Fiery Presence

Nice

[wary charm]

yes very nice

[calm zenith]

Fiery Presence means you can one shot weak enemies in tartarus

[wary charm]

i will now do incredible amoutns of damage

[stone rune]

not really

other than being a castspect

[stone rune]

eris

[calm zenith]

True

Chain lightning does great

Jolted does great

[stone rune]

twin shot bow in general

for the armored ones

[calm zenith]

Tidal dash maybe?

[stone rune]

tdash is free win button against flame wheels

[calm zenith]

Yeah

It punishes so much though

[stone rune]

i actually died for the first time in a speedrun recently with arthur against flame wheels

arthur is so bad

[calm zenith]

What did you have going

[stone rune]

the dash strike range is so pitiful and it comes out so slow

[calm zenith]

Dont just dash strike

[stone rune]

i had hdash and all the good stuff

[calm zenith]

The attack finish has huge range

[stone rune]

thats arthur dps rotation

[stone rune]

it is soooooo slow

[calm zenith]

Just dash with it

They changed it for a reason

You can still dash strike

Just dont rely on just it

It isnt a speedrun aspect

For one you want swift strike

It's the "swing a sword around and facetank" aspect

It's like trying to speedrun with Talos

Possible sure but it isnt suited for that in any way

[wary charm]

imo the best speedrun aspect is aspect of talos

[stone rune]

so true

[wary charm]

fr

[calm zenith]

I should learn to speedrun and try to get a good time with a semi-routed Talos aphro beam build.

Talos actually doesnt matter much and it would be better on Achilles. what matters is having lots of casts and movement.

[stone rune]

why do you want to do this to yourself

[calm zenith]

It's a funny build that works surprisingly good

Nice on the eyes

[stone rune]

where would the aph even go

special i guess

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Since its routed I'm doing stygian which really gets absurd with any beam + glacial glare

I once got a common glacial glare from Elysium to like +9 somehow

Your beams long outlast your recharge. So if you have a few casts, you just dash around attacking and placing them around, intersecting them on enemies as you go, stacking more and more.

[stone rune]

who is gonna route this

[calm zenith]

Me

[stone rune]

also how are you gonna route a cast build

thats immensely difficult to execute

[calm zenith]

I've done it lots. I just have to do it faster.

That's something I can learn

Routing a bit of it makes it easier

[stone rune]

you have to budget your casts per room

[calm zenith]

What do you mean, for dps or manipulation?

[stone rune]

manila

manips

casting increments rng

[calm zenith]

Makes sense

[stone rune]

also

routing is just really hard

[calm zenith]

I've done that in other games. I could learn it here.

[stone rune]

there’s a reason the wr has stood for a year

[calm zenith]

I've done it for bits of tartarus

[stone rune]

thats seeded

[calm zenith]

I know

[stone rune]

not routed

[calm zenith]

I'm not amazing at it and I dont try for great times.

I just know I'd probably get my pb below 10 minutes if I used the right heat and practiced

[stone rune]

but doing that is a lot harder on a meme beam build on the like top 8 worst speedrun aspects

[calm zenith]

That's pretty good for a bad build on a bad aspect

Fair

I'd have to see what I can achieve

[stone rune]

meme beam is like dio

it has DOT

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[stone rune]

it’s not specialized for bursts like speed runs want

it’s specialized for safety

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[stone rune]

and also lik

i think you underestimate how hard even just a sub10 can be

i’d say im a pretty competent runner

[calm zenith]

It can ramp a bit though. I think it's possible to get decent time with it.

[stone rune]

i’ve got a sub6

and even then

[calm zenith]

I know sub10 is hard.

[stone rune]

when i’m doing even aspects that are GOOD

but i just am not good WITH

i still can struggle

specifically i tried rama to see what bananas’s fuss was and i was like “oh 502 aspho this is sub10 easy”

it was not

[calm zenith]

Yeah Rama punishes mistakes hard

Unless you can always get off a power shot, but even that might not be enough

When it comes together though it's very fast

[stone rune]

well yeah

[calm zenith]

I'm super rusty with it so I just dont even try lmao

[stone rune]

its like 3rd place on the unmodded leaderboards

with a barge

i think

but like

speedrun hard

[calm zenith]

Yeah I agree

That's why I dont try for it. I try for elaborate stuff.

[stone rune]

anyways i’m heading to bed and then it’s time for p rank p-2 jail for 12 more hours

[calm zenith]

Just under 14 minutes is fine for just an attempt at going fast right?

[stone rune]

yeah

[calm zenith]

Goodnight.

[stone rune]

i think the benchmark for a speedy time is sub12

since that’s the last time the game acknowledges

with the run clear message

[calm zenith]

It was just a random Eris run where I think I got Splitting Bolt in Tartarus

So I just went for it. Not really like optimizing with pausing but not wasting time or trying for troves or 5 sack

It was a 3 sack too I think

[worldly harness]

the steam achievement "champion of elysium" doesn't count with only 1 heat into the extreme measures or what?

[rustic vale]

Elysium

It’s going to need em3

@worldly harness does that make sense?

[mint coral]

Extreme measures works by each lvl of it affecting one extra boss
Em1 only affects the furies, em2 adds lernie, then em3 sffects till theseus-asterius

[worldly harness]

oh

bruh and I thought the BULL HORN attack in asterius and theseus fight was added by the em

[mint coral]

Thats added by their friendship arc

Also you are in for a treat when you see em3 champions

First time is always great

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/7MZ0AoPaKyo

[royal widget]

that's what he says? I can never make it out

[mint coral]

There is bull horn and delta smth for the other tag move iirc

[errant trout]

Are Trial of God chambers slower than other chambers or is that irrelevant?

[mint coral]

For speedruns? Def slower

There may be an argument for something like ME fists but dont quote me on that

I barely play those

[errant trout]

oki, thanks!

[mint coral]

(and even then only in like tart)

[covert oracle]

I've heard that for the most part only 4 gods will show up in a run (besides hermes)
if i take the random boon (the one in a bag) from charon when I've already got 4 types of god boons, can he give me a god that's not in the god pool?

[royal widget]

probably not

[covert oracle]

does that need testing?

[latent moon]

No lol

It'll only give you a god from your pool

[covert oracle]

okay, that's what I was hoping. ty

[latent moon]

Yeah you generally never take them unless it's in Tartarus for ME and it's and Athena + ares door
Part of the reason is that you can easily make up for last time in later biomes if you have a good build early
The other reason is that if you lost too much time you can just reset because it's only tart lol

You could take one in asphodel but some of the rooms are really big so it could be a major time loss

Unless you know proper spawn manips

But would still take a while and not recommended

[errant trout]

Alright, thank you for the explanation!

While we're here: I've seen a lot of speedrunners equip Hades' keepsake for Styx, is there any particular reason for that?

[royal widget]

double damage

[errant trout]

wait, what?

[royal widget]

+50/75/100% damage based on rank

at full gauge

[errant trout]

oh, crazy. Gotta try that, thanks!

[mint coral]

Slight correction
You always get the dmg boost no matter if its a lesser call or greater

[royal widget]

oh?

i may be mistaken

[mint coral]

Greater call makes it so the invisibility doesnt get removed on atk/lasts for 5 seconds

While lesser till you atk or 2 seconds pass

[royal widget]

i could have sworn rarity changes more than just initial gauge

[mint coral]

Im the opposite

First time hearing about that lol

[latent moon]

ik the others have answered your question, but i want to add that it's really only good on stuff with high burst damage due to how short the call is

so stuff like achilles, beowulf, hera, and merciful end

also you can manipulate hades to do certain moves due to a bug

using dad call makes enemies repeat their last move twice or something (sped up too iirc) so you can prevent him from disappearing

but the more important part is the 100% damage boost for 1.5 seconds on small call

[stone rune]

and specifically things with high burst damage that don't rely only on %-based scaling

which is why it's not used on hestia but i think it is on eris

[latent moon]

even not on clockets hestia?

[stone rune]

yeah you don't take it

[latent moon]

just dont get hit 5head

[stone rune]

you take acorn i think

lmfao

[worldly harness]

i thought it says who is better so I chose artemis but after realising i dont regret choosing her 😏

wait she's zargeus' cousin 💀

[mint coral]

Shackle if you still dont have an special too right?

[royal widget]

or force arty

[raw herald]

Hestia builds the call super slowly without shoals

So dad call is less value

[mint coral]

Forcing arty in styx sounds funny

[latent moon]

most of the time it's prob gonna be shackle because you you didn't get a good atk boon in tart lmao

take shackle into aspho and you keep it on until the end

[latent moon]

that makes a lot of sense

[mint coral]

Hestia truly the 1 boon and done weapon

[stone rune]

i'd take arty

shackle is less value

[raw herald]

Arty in styx?

[stone rune]

that's why im not a good hestia gamer lol

i just think it's funny enough to do

[latent moon]

bold of you to assume you'll have an atk boon going into styx

[stone rune]

[mint coral]

Wondering smth about hesti
Do you just commit reset if you dont have AoE for styx?

[stone rune]

you literally start tdash

[raw herald]

Styx sucks without beaver or clockets

[stone rune]

and prayge for beaver

or reset for clockets if you hate yourself

[mint coral]

I was referring to beaver/clockets ye

[latent moon]

dealing with styx is a lot easier if you get all tiny rats

[mint coral]

I dont even remember whats my hesty pb

Prob barely sub 10 or smth

[raw herald]

I didnt get close to my pb this aotw

Maybe i should try a few more attempts….

[latent moon]

lmao mood

all i did was 45 hotw and then decided to do unmodded

[stone rune]

oh piss

[mint coral]

8:35

[stone rune]

i forgot it was hestia week

[latent moon]

lmfao

[latent moon]

lmfao mine's 8:34

[raw herald]

I forgot how to play the aspect

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1046925463630659687/image.png?width=1191&height=670

[raw herald]

Already redeemed my op build voucher

[latent moon]

rip

[mint coral]

#h1-victory-boasting message
Mine is from a year ago already lol

[latent moon]

lmao based

mine was aotw100

so 18 weeks ago or so

[raw herald]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1028107707326144622/Hades_198.png jesus this build is yolked

[latent moon]

gahdamn

[stone rune]

RED

no smair : (

[latent moon]

yeah i dont think you're gonna get too close to your pb unless you grind for 7 hours lmao

[mint coral]

Jc what is that build

[raw herald]

Missing something 😔

[royal widget]

red hyper delivery

all you need smhsmh

[latent moon]

dad call 😔

[raw herald]

Frfr

[latent moon]

learning spawn manips is a scam, you dont need any of it (still struggling to get a sub6)

but it'll obv help, no harm in learning it

[errant trout]

...also I tend to forget with some rooms whether they have one or multiple exits and dashing around only to find that there is no other door is a massive time dunk xDD

[latent moon]

if you have the time to learn them, then go for it
im frankly just too lazy to learn them lol

[latent moon]

oh lol fair

[errant trout]

yeah, not so high on my priority list at the moment, but eventually, maybe

[latent moon]

you can honestly bs most of them by just standing in a corner of the room

[gray apex]

That’s the general idea of it yea

Or throw yourself into lava

[stone rune]

people in speedcord love answering questions

top 10 activities there

[latent moon]

also true

[gray apex]

Damn am I even top 10 anymore

washed

[latent moon]

lmao smh

[errant trout]

Yeah, I just joined that two days ago :) but I'm still a little shy there 🙈

[stone rune]

you're actually top 1 when i open one of the super funny categories ever

[gray apex]

Hitless

[stone rune]

did someone break other record??

nope

i seem to see a record by 23 seconds here

[strong dune]

Omg I CAN SAY HEAT

[gray apex]

Wait which one

[stone rune]

32 modded lol

[gray apex]

Oh

[stone rune]

only sub6

[latent moon]

only

[gray apex]

Nobody plays that

[rustic vale]

Honestly

[gray apex]

If you look closely

There’s 2 sub6s

[stone rune]

no way

lmfao

[gray apex]

I got bored

[errant trout]

that sounds crazy

[rustic vale]

It would be super easy for any speedrunners to get a bunch of higher heat speedrun records just because a bunch of aspects have 0 runs

[stone rune]

zyru moment

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1094737530018086972/image.png

[rustic vale]

Or like different combos of seeded/modded

[latent moon]

is this 40 heat

[errant trout]

lol

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

yeah that tracks

him and ocke

[gray apex]

There’s a wall of ocke somewhere

[stone rune]

yeah it's below

but it's interrupted by BANANAS 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[latent moon]

damn im 48th now

[stone rune]

and also kirrby twice

[latent moon]

i used to be like 30ish or something and then zyru happened

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1094737800726843454/image.png

oh

kirrby 4 times

[gray apex]

Shiny banana

[rustic vale]

I have 0 speedruns recorded 💪

[latent moon]

maybe i should grind 40 heat more

[latent moon]

no one willingly chooses the ugly yellow color except me lmao

[stone rune]

i think more people should play anyheat modded

[latent moon]

ew

[stone rune]

dead cat rn

nobody plays it

[rustic vale]

I think more people should play hesti

[mint coral]

[rustic vale]

In all categories

To contest Jazz

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/GJn47kvYQyz

ARTEMIS
51.05% (97 votes)

DIONYSIS
48.95% (93 votes)

[stone rune]

i literally have 1 hestia run submitted

and it's a 6:57

[rustic vale]

Slow (I only have 1 run that’s sub10)

[gray apex]

I’ll grind it with you

[latent moon]

lmao i'll maybe grind it after my unmodded arc

i want to get times down and heats up on that save

[gray apex]

Oh enjoy

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1094379311852699708/image.png?width=1191&height=670

15 best heat for rail lmao

10 on spear

i want to at least try sub10 for all

and then at least 32 heat for all

[rustic vale]

I’m still chilling on my luck from that 32 heat run a while back

[mint coral]

You know with how often y'all are here i still think you have 6/6 32 heat lol

[stone rune]

i did 32 allspects

[latent moon]

i mean for modded i do lmao

not unmodded

[stone rune]

and i havent touched unmodded since

[errant trout]

oh, that reminds me! Does anyone have experience playing Hades on Steam Deck? (I was considering getting one, among other things to finally be able to play modded)

[rustic vale]

I have 50 more clears then Nanas 💪

[stone rune]

people say it's good

[latent moon]

amb does iirc

she said it's good

[stone rune]

oh

yeah

whoever it was in speedcord

[mint coral]

My 32 heat all aspects is mixed between modded and unmodded lol

[stone rune]

apparently you can funny tap screen

[gray apex]

Oh yea on luci

For Special

[mint coral]

(Mainly cuz i was lazy to re install the modpack)

[gray apex]

Cheats

[latent moon]

based

[stone rune]

wait

[errant trout]

lol that sells it xD

[stone rune]

i didnt do 32 allspects lmfao

[latent moon]

neither did i

i gave up on arthur and gilga

[gray apex]

It’s boring don’t do it

[stone rune]

i did nem achilles zagshield dem and hestia

[gray apex]

Do 50

[latent moon]

TRUE

[stone rune]

so real

idk i only really wanna do heat on hestia

[rustic vale]

Jazz go sub6 zag sword 50 heat

[stone rune]

everything else is boring

[gray apex]

I gave up on 50 too tbh

[mint coral]

I will come back when i fix my switch