h1-discussion

[stone rune]

achilles

[brisk trail]

Yea

For the bident

[stone rune]

i will hear no guan yu propaganda

[brisk trail]

Hug??

Huh*

[latent moon]

Hidden aspect moment

[stone rune]

spear there are two good aspects and two not so good aspects

oh

uh

#h1-for-new-players ??

[brisk trail]

I aint new😭 just never dif aspect didnt know

[stone rune]

have u reached credits

[brisk trail]

I had game before beat it like 50 times without aspects

[stone rune]

bruh wow

[brisk trail]

Downloaded it again yesterday

I just remembered aspects

[stone rune]

well then

yeah

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

[stone rune]

spear best aspect achilles

[brisk trail]

Mhm bet

Imma kill my self rn

So i can use aspects

[stone rune]

yeah

how much blood u have

[brisk trail]

Started a run and killing my self rn

13

[stone rune]

cool

achilles doesnt need much blood

[high island]

My aspect leveling guide is pinned in #h1-for-new-players if you're not sure what to get or upgrade.

[stone rune]

i might try achilles run

tdash start right

[latent moon]

For speed yeah

[brisk trail]

Okay

Imma go see if i have aspects now

[stone rune]

rotation is whatg

rush dstirke dstrike

what do you do once you get flurry

[latent moon]

Spam special twice and 2 dstrikes

[latent moon]

Same thing

[stone rune]

does it just add in other hits

[latent moon]

Yeah

[stone rune]

do you actually try to build for a cast

[latent moon]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

Okay i got aspects now thank u

[latent moon]

Hunting blades or lighting phalanx generally

There's an Achilles guide if you search for it here

[stone rune]

man that stinks

[high island]

Wdym "once you get Flurry". You start Flurry or start over.

[latent moon]

Or in speedcord

[stone rune]

i dont like casts

[latent moon]

I mean you can build for pure atk

[brisk trail]

Aspect if achilles is best?

[stone rune]

will you just have a bad time in ely?

[brisk trail]

Never use triangle

[stone rune]

yeah

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit

[latent moon]

But hunting blades is great for bossing and room clearing

[stone rune]

as said before i will be hearing no guan yu propaganda

[brisk trail]

I never use triangle

[stone rune]

triangle?

[brisk trail]

Im on ps5

[rustic vale]

triangle = special I assume

[brisk trail]

Triangle is the special

I never use the special

[stone rune]

oh

[rustic vale]

You’re going to have to start using it then

[stone rune]

well

[latent moon]

Kinda unless you have fat damage modifiers for the attack

[stone rune]

you should on achilles lmfao

[brisk trail]

Mhm ok

So i just spam special?

[stone rune]

no

[rustic vale]

some weapons use their special

[brisk trail]

Bc its so slow so never use it

Lik

[rustic vale]

No

[stone rune]

you do special twice and then two dash strikes

[brisk trail]

Lol*

Mhm ok

[rustic vale]

Achilles is more like special then dash strike dash strike

[stone rune]

hold on

i making video

[rustic vale]

Specialing multiple times in a row doesn’t give you the boost from specialing multiple times

[brisk trail]

Mhmmm

[stone rune]

why does photos not let me cut videos anymore

[brisk trail]

Ok im guessing hammer helps with it 2?

[stone rune]

yes

you want flurry jab or serrated point

but not both

only take one of them

flurry is better

[brisk trail]

Idk which better 😭

I usally use the one that boost the charge up and that give lotta range

[stone rune]

dont think you can get that on achilles

it's already a charged special

[latent moon]

Charged skewer isn't compatible on Achilles

[brisk trail]

No charged square

Like where u do a spin attack

I get hammer for that

[latent moon]

Quick spin?

[brisk trail]

Bc it charges quickly and gives range

Yea

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1081375309053567057/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_3.mp4

achilles

[brisk trail]

Wtf😭 can u even do that on ps4

[latent moon]

You don't really use spin on Achilles lol

[latent moon]

Yes

[stone rune]

yes lmfao

[brisk trail]

Wtf i cant

[latent moon]

Hit special twice and then 2 dash strikes

[stone rune]

spin is pretty much useless on most spears

i think sometimes you charge it in between waves?

but generally pretend it doesn't exist

you're getting flurry anyways

[rustic vale]

Spinning isn’t exactly done for purposes aside from applying aspect of Hades bonus tbh

[latent moon]

I don't think 185in did in his run lol

[rustic vale]

On guan-yu

[stone rune]

oh

fake aspect

[brisk trail]

So i shoudnt get that for hammer

Oo

Ok*

[rustic vale]

quick spin is fine on hades but not over serrated or exploding launcher/charged skewer

also fine on guan-yu but not over charged skewer

but the spin hammers lock out flurry jab on the other 2 so it doesn’t get picked up

[brisk trail]

Ion RVEN KNOW WHAT GUAN- YU is

[rustic vale]

hidden aspect of spear

[brisk trail]

Oh

😭

Okay

So what hammer abilities u recommend for this aspect,

[rustic vale]

You might want to stay in #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers

[brisk trail]

Spoilers of what?

[rustic vale]

The game

[stone rune]

hidden aspects

and stuff

[rustic vale]

story

[brisk trail]

Does it matter tho?

Oh💀 i play it bc ita fun

[stone rune]

damn

[rustic vale]

If you don’t want story spoilers then yeah

[brisk trail]

Mb

[stone rune]

achilles is kinda fun

[brisk trail]

Bruh

Yea i skip dialog

😭

Didnt even know there was a story to it💀

[rustic vale]

[stone rune]

except i just had the worst tart room ever

jesus christ

that was like 30 seconds

[rustic vale]

Well then it’s probably fine for you to stay here

[brisk trail]

Lollll

I play it for fun ngl

[latent moon]

The game literally got an award for the story lmfao

[brisk trail]

I get bored and i boot up game

[brisk trail]

Oh💀

Just tell me story

Ion evem care

[latent moon]

Just Google it

[brisk trail]

Ok

[latent moon]

Or watch a YouTube video about it or something

[stone rune]

damn

[latent moon]

It probably exists

[stone rune]

purple shoals or purple beaver

[latent moon]

Tart right

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

Prob beaver

[stone rune]

god

why is this loser dio in my pool

[latent moon]

Not likely to see beaver again compared to shoals

[brisk trail]

Wtf

[latent moon]

Exclusive access obv

[brisk trail]

So many endings

😭

[latent moon]

There's like 2

[brisk trail]

Gotta beat game 10 times for true ending

[rustic vale]

🔫

[stone rune]

is there actually multiple endings

[latent moon]

Oh that's what you mean

No

[stone rune]

oh

no

[rustic vale]

10 times isn’t much in the grand scheme of things

[brisk trail]

Well story is him escaping

Thats it💀

Thats all i read

[latent moon]

Have you tried reading more

[brisk trail]

Thats all it says

[rustic vale]

I have a feeling not

[stone rune]

uh

you take attack on achilles right

[rustic vale]

But also summarising everything that happens would be

[latent moon]

You prob read a game summary for like the back of a box lmao

[stone rune]

purple strike right now

[latent moon]

Yeah that's good

[stone rune]

im happy to play a weapon where +dashes isnt huge cope

[brisk trail]

Wtf thers plat trophie for this game?

[brisk trail]

Can u simplify the story for me? Lol

[stone rune]

zagreus

that's the story simplified

[brisk trail]

Imma get the platinum trophie for this game

Just for the fun of it

[stone rune]

bro wtf is this

leaving tart with 2430 rta

[latent moon]

Escape, find mom, convince dad to stop being an ass and mom comes back home

[brisk trail]

I got 2 platinum tropies so far i got ragnarok platmuim when game cane put

[stone rune]

uh

so

i'm after tart rn

[brisk trail]

W story

[latent moon]

And convince mom to come back home before she comes back home

[rustic vale]

Zagreus died at birth, Persephone (mom) leaves, zag comes back to life
Nyx brings him up as her son
Escape Hades, find real mom, tske mom back home with help of other gods

[stone rune]

i have

heaven's vengeance, beaver, tdash, sprint

[brisk trail]

W story

[stone rune]

what do i take

zeus and go for lightning strike?

[latent moon]

Uh

[stone rune]

crit build?

[latent moon]

No atk boon?

[brisk trail]

Ngl zeus worst god

[stone rune]

no atk

[brisk trail]

Never get anything good for him

[stone rune]

i have purple strike from chaos though

[rustic vale]

!? No

[stone rune]

demeter:

[rustic vale]

Gods’ strength all depends on what you’re using them on

[latent moon]

Could take Athena for cast and maybe find Zeus in midshop so you can get lightning phalanx

[rustic vale]

And what you’re taking from them

[latent moon]

But otherwise just take Zeus atk

[stone rune]

alr

[brisk trail]

Bro zues never gives me anything good😭

[stone rune]

ill go athena

[brisk trail]

Idk why

All ass boons

[stone rune]

lmfao

zeus has the best array of supporting boons

[latent moon]

You're just not using him correctly

[brisk trail]

Best is def Poseidon

[stone rune]

lmao

[brisk trail]

Maybe

Lol

[latent moon]

Definitely

[stone rune]

the only good pos boons are tdash stuff and flood flare lmfao

[rustic vale]

Definitely

[brisk trail]

Idk much abt the game all ik and what boons if i read it and its op i use

[limber ether]

Do I have a better chance of getting a legendary/duo from a yarn boosted elite boon + a normal boon or an elite boon + a yarn boosted normal boon

[brisk trail]

Lol

Idk abt boons and stuff*

[stone rune]

elite boon?

you mean miniboss rooms?

those have lower duo chance

[rustic vale]

Nothing is really overpowered tbh

[limber ether]

oh lmao did not know that

[brisk trail]

Mhm idk of any combinations how to trigger certain boons

All ik is

If they sound good

I grab em

[rustic vale]

things get powerful

[stone rune]

what da hell

[rustic vale]

better practice is to take the ones that are good tbh

[stone rune]

i have athena keepsake and just got offered a trial?

[rustic vale]

[stone rune]

that happens?

[gray apex]

If she’s in your pool

[brisk trail]

Okay so mind telling me like the best builds type stuff or like boons i should go for or how to trugger boons? Or like idk support boons etc? Like idk any of it ngl or u recomend i watch a vid

[stone rune]

are you kidding me

rolled her twice and no phalanx shot

[latent moon]

Yarn and miniboss is 20%, yarn and normal is 22%
Miniboss is 10% and normal is 12%

[gray apex]

Aren’t you playing modded

[stone rune]

yeah

it's in aspho

[gray apex]

Oh

[stone rune]

ok why does the volume change based on your profile

[latent moon]

There's a build guide pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[gray apex]

Because each profile has a settings file in Documents\Saved Games\Hades

And a controls file

[limber ether]

right so miniboss and then yarn normal is very very marginally better

[brisk trail]

Ok i checked

To complicated 💀

So much ahit

[gray apex]

You can experiment, if you don’t have a full mirror you’ll have a hard time forcing these builds consistently anyway

[brisk trail]

I do

Missing the last 2 thats it

Gettin the keys for it

[limber ether]

just read the tldr

[stone rune]

yeah those last 2 are pretty important

[brisk trail]

Oh…

[rustic vale]

The important ones for getting your build going are fated persuasion, dark foresight, and god’s pride

[stone rune]

which are the last 3

ENSHROUDED LUNGE

JUST GET THE BOONS BABY

[latent moon]

asks for builds
Gets builds
Complains

[brisk trail]

I put one of the ss i took beating the game in #h1-victory-boasting

[brisk trail]

Mb😭

[stone rune]

bracer

[brisk trail]

I chose random boons rhat seemed dope

[rustic vale]

He wants to skip through the builds text

[latent moon]

Lmao

[brisk trail]

Pretty much

To much reading

💀🤣

[stone rune]

ARES

I HATE THIS GUY SO MUCH

GET OUT OF MY BUILD YOU LOSER

oh wait

hunting blades

nevermind

[rustic vale]

Massive over simplification

[brisk trail]

Area?

ares is bad?

[brisk trail]

🤣

[latent moon]

Isn't your pool full and you're in aspho almost Ely

[rustic vale]

Depends on the build

[brisk trail]

Okay

[stone rune]

i stopped

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

[brisk trail]

Give me best build simplified

[stone rune]

gave up when no phalanx in aspho

[latent moon]

Fair enough

Mood

[brisk trail]

If i gotta read ill read😭

[gray apex]

What weapon wants phalanx in aspho

[stone rune]

achilles

[brisk trail]

I enjoy the sword and the spear more then any weopin sheild is stupid easy😭 u can block attacks

[limber ether]

which weapon?

[rustic vale]

Depends on what you are using, but basically
Hit fast for low damage: use flat damage (zeus, dio, ares)
Hit slow for big damage:
Use +% (the other 5, but particularly aphrodite for biggest +%)

[brisk trail]

Easy to get dubs with

[stone rune]

and don't use poseidon

poseidon atk and special suck

[limber ether]

IMO with sword easiest to do is use nemesis, put aphro on special and artemis on attack

[stone rune]

THIS GUY DIO

[brisk trail]

Tf is hit slow and fast?

[limber ether]

artemis/poseidon on dash

[rustic vale]

Like rail versus bow

Rail hits fast for low damae

[stone rune]

lmfao this save is from my boonless mirrorless days

[latent moon]

Bow, hestia rail, various swords hit slow

[stone rune]

i have cast and call unbound

[brisk trail]

Bro game is to complicated 💀 eldian ring was easier for builds

[rustic vale]

Bow hits slower for higher damage/shot

[latent moon]

I mean you can bs a build and get far with it

[brisk trail]

And imma rank 470 on Eldian ring

[latent moon]

Having a good build makes the game easier

[stone rune]

dude what is this time lmfao

141 c10

[latent moon]

Achilles moment

[brisk trail]

Blood build 🤪

Best build

[stone rune]

isnt achilles supposed to be good in tart

i mean

i suck at it

lol

[gray apex]

Yea when you’re good

[stone rune]

so i guess that's my issue

[brisk trail]

Deleted eldian ring got plat for it and got bored i played it to damn much i was on ng+ 47😭 and was level 470

[gray apex]

Achilles is tough as hell

I hope you’re not expecting to pick it up and get 1:3x tarts

[stone rune]

im just running this for fun

[brisk trail]

This game complicated asf ngl its just fun to play🤷🏽‍♂️ idk how i feel abt the grinding part of it

[stone rune]

noreset hestia breaking me

[latent moon]

It isn't complicated if you don't care about builds lol

[gray apex]

It’s good for improving

[brisk trail]

Eldian ring, gow, gow ragnarok games like that like demon souls etc were fun to re play over and over idk why but this game ion eeling like going for best build or stuff like that dont seem dat fun to grind

[brisk trail]

U right forget it 😭

[latent moon]

It becomes more of an issue if like

[brisk trail]

I only play this game when bored

[rustic vale]

If it’s slower (like bow strike) you put the damage multipliers on
if it hits fast (like gun strike) you put on the ones that add a ton

[stone rune]

302 tart im bad at achilles

[latent moon]

If you complain about the game getting difficult and you can't clear but refuse to try an actual build or even consider/read/use it, then that's a different issue lol

[stone rune]

no flurry though

[rustic vale]

Bow takes aphrodite because she gives a big multi, gun takes zeus because lightning bolts add a lot more instead

[brisk trail]

Ive tried heat gadge not that high but its still not asss difficult

Just a bit

[stone rune]

32:

[brisk trail]

Bow is ass

[gray apex]

Yea that’s how it’s supposed to be

[brisk trail]

Asf

[rustic vale]

🔫

[stone rune]

what

[brisk trail]

Slow ass weapo

[latent moon]

Sounds like someone isn't dash striking to get a faster charge

[stone rune]

bruh

[brisk trail]

Weapon

[brisk trail]

Thats a thing?

[rustic vale]

Do you dash strike while using it?

[latent moon]

Yeah lol

[stone rune]

first hammer over herm right

[latent moon]

At this point yea

[rustic vale]

Yeah dash strike means you charge faster

[brisk trail]

Ughhhh

[stone rune]

are you power shotting

[brisk trail]

I only spam triangle 💀

[stone rune]

bro

[brisk trail]

And charge square

[stone rune]

literally worst way to play bow

[brisk trail]

Lmao

[rustic vale]

[stone rune]

i hate chaos

i love chaos

i better get these hunting blades going

[latent moon]

Would be funny if you didn't

[stone rune]

uh

do i take purple marked

[latent moon]

Uh

Is this miniboss

[stone rune]

no

shop

[latent moon]

And do you already have ares cast

[stone rune]

aspho endshop

[latent moon]

Prob right

[stone rune]

i have cast yeah

[latent moon]

I'd roll

[stone rune]

got mirage shot

[latent moon]

But also I'm bad at the game so idk

[stone rune]

a duo's a duo

[latent moon]

Well close enough

[brisk trail]

Ok so im guesing

Bow is good

🤣

Anf im using it bad

Lol

[latent moon]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

I was just using special like close range and attack

I was spamming special

Lol

[rustic vale]

Special spam isn’t exactly good tbh

[brisk trail]

I guess dash stike is a thing with boa

[rustic vale]

dash striking 👍

[brisk trail]

Bow*

Ngl tried sheild its stupid good😭

[rustic vale]

dash striking is like the optimal way to attack on every weapon aside from lucifer

[brisk trail]

It just takes no skill

All u do is attack and block

Such a pus way to play

[rustic vale]

It does at high heat

[rustic vale]

[brisk trail]

Lolll

Sword and spear my fav ngl

I like the hammer that heals u when u attack

[rustic vale]

Damn bro you like living? That’s pretty lame of you

[brisk trail]

Its amazing

[brisk trail]

Lnaooooo

Okay

[rustic vale]

Genuinely the worst sword hammer

[brisk trail]

Teach me da way to have fun🤣

[limber ether]

lmao ky has to be a troll for sure

[brisk trail]

💀

[latent moon]

Rama is probably doable at max heat if you can guarantee at least 1 dash from hermes and 2 good hammers lmao

[stone rune]

jesus

[brisk trail]

Nah im being fr

[stone rune]

achilles hard

[latent moon]

It really is

[brisk trail]

Im no troll

[limber ether]

"to [sic] much reading"

[latent moon]

Idk how I got a sub9 with it but I did

[brisk trail]

It is

[stone rune]

528 leaving aspho lmfao

[brisk trail]

😭🤣

[latent moon]

Honestly big mood

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/image.png

[stone rune]

i mean

cursed slash is essentially just like

[brisk trail]

Okay soooooo

[stone rune]

no more health for you

[brisk trail]

Healing one is ass

[stone rune]

while flurry slash is complete and utter garbage

like you literally can't play the game with it

[rustic vale]

This is the one weapon where the aspects don’t change enough for the hammer rankings to change based on aspect

[latent moon]

I mean you can, just don't get hit

[stone rune]

huh

no like

you cannot deal damage properly

[brisk trail]

So should i try sword?

With its good aspect

[signal aspen]

big chop is goated wtf

[stone rune]

it doesn't work

[latent moon]

Oh flurry slash

[brisk trail]

And good hamaers with boon builds?

[latent moon]

Yeah true

[stone rune]

To jail rn

do i take ares keepsake into ely

[native blade]

Double edge is special twice but no knockback rii?

[rustic vale]

I’m not putting it into a seperate tier of “bad if you end up standing striking by accident”

[rustic vale]

No that’s double nova

[latent moon]

I mean at this rate do you care about time lmao just do it

[native blade]

Ohhhh

What’s double edge?

[latent moon]

You'd normally take hourglass

[stone rune]

but i want my stones :(((

[rustic vale]

Double edge is double dstrike

[latent moon]

Dstrike hits twice and bonus 20% on dstrikes

[native blade]

Ohhhhhh

[latent moon]

Idr the % but yeah

[native blade]

That’s goated.

[rustic vale]

+20% yes

[stone rune]

it's the only actually cracked hammer on sword

everything else is like

[brisk trail]

Okay so imma actually try to use a build💀 teach me da ways for the sword

[stone rune]

decent supplemental, does nothing, or is awful

[latent moon]

Merciful end baybee

[rustic vale]

Piercing wave: breaching slash:

[stone rune]

neMEsis time

[brisk trail]

And boons to combine with it and also hammer abilities

[stone rune]

decent supplemental:

[rustic vale]

Dash strike twice then special, repeat

[native blade]

I was finna say, but I just don’t play sword enough to say.

[brisk trail]

Ok so dash strike with sword 2 times then special?

[native blade]

Cursed Slash can be goated I’ve seen it.

[stone rune]

where is my HUNTING BLADES

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[stone rune]

cursed slash cannot

it doesn't apply to dstrike

[native blade]

Someone literally out healed Hades to Death:

[rustic vale]

[brisk trail]

What boons should i use with it? And what hammers abilities are best?

[rustic vale]

that doesn’t mean it’s good

[native blade]

Lemme see if I can find it.

[rustic vale]

I literally just showed you the sword hammer tierlist

[brisk trail]

Ohhh

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/image.png

[native blade]

True, I’m just saying it can be godly.

[rustic vale]

Not really?

[brisk trail]

U recomend i max mirror first?

Before trying?

[rustic vale]

Not in particulr

[native blade]

World Splitter is hella goofy.

[rustic vale]

Anything can be godly at 0 heat

[brisk trail]

I got everything maxed except the last 2 ion have em unlocked tet

[stone rune]

uh

[native blade]

Nah, he was at 20.

[brisk trail]

I need 30 keys lol

[native blade]

I think…

[rustic vale]

Anything can be godly at 20 as well

[native blade]

It wasn’t a cheese.

[native blade]

Is that true?

[rustic vale]

the difference between 20 heat and 0 heat isn’t that far

[rustic vale]

Yes

[native blade]

I’d disagree.

[brisk trail]

Mhm ok what boons den ?

[stone rune]

20 heat is roughly 0 heat

[rustic vale]

Anything that works at 0 heat can work at 20 heat

[brisk trail]

Is double exge a aspect or hammer ability? I dont know 😭

[native blade]

But effectiveness matters no?

[signal aspen]

0 heat basically 64 heat

[rustic vale]

Either ME, or a crit build if you are using nemesis

[stone rune]

real

[rustic vale]

Every thing on that tierlist is a hammer

[latent moon]

i mean it'd depend on what 20 heat you picked, but assuming you picked the optimal ones for 20 heat, it's not that much different compared to 0 heat

[brisk trail]

Nemisis is sword? Im lost 💀 and jm dumb

[brisk trail]

Ohhhh ok and wht abt aspect?

[rustic vale]

Nemesis is an aspect of the sword

[brisk trail]

Ahhh

Word

Ok so nemeiss with double edge bet

What if i dont get double edge?

[rustic vale]

Merciful End will work on any sword, but nemesis also has a niche with crit builds

[rustic vale]

Then you take one of the lower hammers

[latent moon]

just dont take something that actively harms you lol

[brisk trail]

Oh… ok

[rustic vale]

The icons of the hammers are all on the tierlist

[stone rune]

piercing wave

breaching slash

[brisk trail]

Ion got aspect for sward yet

Sword yet

[rustic vale]

then just use the base one

[brisk trail]

Oky bet

[rustic vale]

And build merciful end ig? Someone else explain ME, brb

[brisk trail]

And is there a way to trigger certain boons or hammer abilities?

[stone rune]

828 leaving ely lmfao

[rustic vale]

Actually me doesn’t take much explaining

[brisk trail]

Well later not now

[rustic vale]

Ares strike -> athena special -> merciful end duo -> divine dash from athena

[brisk trail]

Or dm instead bc got a 8hr shift rn

Just dm me these things pls instead

[limber ether]

why not just read the guide lmao

[brisk trail]

I got my dms on accept so when on break ill accept and read em

[brisk trail]

To MUCH WORK

[latent moon]

oh yeah it's in the guide lmfao

[brisk trail]

😭

Fine

Send me guide

[limber ether]

someone just copy paste it for them

[brisk trail]

Ill read it 😒

[native blade]

The bastard actually was at 0 heat.

Wth

[brisk trail]

Dm it to me

[latent moon]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#merciful-end

[brisk trail]

Pla

Bc got a 8hr shift

[latent moon]

this part is specifically merciful end

[brisk trail]

Mhm ok

Ill read all of it 😒

Imma get home hella lte

Lol

[native blade]

Wait, found an 11 one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/hmyjfo/this_run_was_pure_skill_cursed_slash_and_flurry/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[stone rune]

cursed flurry is meme

[latent moon]

a lot of stuff can work at 11 lol

also cursed flurry won't work at much higher heats

it's a good meme build

but i wouldnt call it good

meme builds can work at like 32 or even 40 with the skill lol

[rustic vale]

It would’ve flown just as well at 20 heat tbh

[rustic vale]

“This game was pure skill”

Y’know what

It’s time to finally restart playing Hades

[latent moon]

fresh file

[rustic vale]

Just so I can try to hit flurry cursed on 20 heat

[rustic vale]

No I’m getting unseen one before that happens

[latent moon]

oh lmao gl with that

[rustic vale]

I’m like

200k darkness away

That’s approximately 1 night of grinding right?

[mint coral]

reminder of the best route #h1-victory-boasting message

[rustic vale]

Routed smh

That was 100% skill though

[latent moon]

lmfao based

[rustic vale]

Surprised they didn’t have td on though

[mint coral]

if you want no routed high heat cursed slash there is a retrash run iirc

[rustic vale]

Cursed slash completely counters td damage didn’t you know

[mint coral]

but at the same time, is retrash

[rustic vale]

They didn’t even hit heroic swift strike smh

Eventually I’ll hit the dream run of flurry strike + piercing wave + heroic swift strike

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/0UHVTE08Brs

[native blade]

I think… they were joking, cuz they were only pressing one button.

[native blade]

Gotcha.

[latent moon]

Apparently at 52 too but also retrash moment lol

[stoic spoke]

does giving up ruin your win streak

[rustic vale]

no

Giving up puts you back to before you started the run

[limber ether]

wtf

[rustic vale]

You’ll have the same seed when you enter

[limber ether]

doesn't that kind of invalidate the point of a winstreak?

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[limber ether]

like what's the point of having a counter for a winstreak if you can just give up when you're going to lose without even resetting the counter?

[rustic vale]

Giving up effectively puts you back before you entered the run, you’ll have the same seed so you end up with the same starting rng

[limber ether]

yeah I get that, I just feel like it should reset the winstreak to 0

[rustic vale]

the way it currently works it wouldn’t be able to I believe

I understand the sentiment but at the same time I don’t really see the point in having it reset your win streak

You’re playing too comfortably if you have one

[limber ether]

I guess

I have winstreaks because I'm just finishing the bounties

[rustic vale]

I have winstreaks when I darkness farm but otherwise just don’t since I try to unsuccessfully push heat

[limber ether]

like you get 32 heat once for the trophy and then there's no in-game incentive to make the runs not easy

[rustic vale]

Still 200k darkness away

[rustic vale]

Mental incentive

[limber ether]

yeah I'm aware, that's not in-game lol

it would be nice if there were rewards beyond 25 heat

or if you had to get 32 with all weapons to get the statues

[stone rune]

50 heat:

[limber ether]

there's an in-game reward for that?

[stone rune]

yeah, there’s special dialogue for it

like boonless

don’t say anything

[latent moon]

there's a reason why in the steam awards they didn't have 32 heat on it lol

[limber ether]

why?

[latent moon]

because it's difficult if you dont know what's good or not

bad pacts and bad builds can make 32 extremely difficult

it'll take a lot of time until you get good rng to be able to power through it

putting in rewards the majority of the player base can't reach probably isn't a good idea from a game design standpoint

[stone rune]

i mean

i guess itd suck if you’re not in the discord

[latent moon]

yeah pretty much

i mean they can obv look up guides on youtube

i watched haelian's vid for an idea for a pact for 32 heat

but like anything past 32 isn't gonna be great tbh

for an ingame reward

even if it is completely useless lol

[limber ether]

but like the game works around people not trying good stuff by having the fated list

so you need to try everything at some point

[latent moon]

The fated list doesn't tell you what's a good build or pact

[limber ether]

right but you still need to try everything

then you can see which things are not helpful and which things are

[stone rune]

i think 32 could have done with being an achievement though

[limber ether]

also I feel like there's a big difference between the difficulty level of 32 heat vs 25 heat

[stone rune]

probably the last achievement people do

but still an achievement

[latent moon]

And yet people still take td2 with js3 and still be in td3 time lol

[stone rune]

because 100%ing the game should be more than grinding

[latent moon]

Depends on the pact

And what the missing heat is

[limber ether]

well yeah I mean where the 25 heat is a subset of the 32

[latent moon]

Because 25 and 32 aren't really that far apart

Unless it's fo0 at 25 and fo2 at 32

[stone rune]

no em3 no fo0 could be hard

[limber ether]

but like I'm just mindlessly running low heat to get the bounties

[latent moon]

Then do higher heat lol

[limber ether]

I can absolutely not mindlessly run 32 heat

again, no in-game reward

[latent moon]

Mindlessly do like 25

Well you'll still get bounties

[stone rune]

you must not be hestiaing enough

[limber ether]

yeah I'm finishing my last bounty rn

[stone rune]

i still haven’t finished my bounties lmfao

[latent moon]

You don't need in game rewards to play the game more it's just on you at that point

[limber ether]

that's true

[latent moon]

Same lmao

[limber ether]

it's just a shame is all i'm saying

[stone rune]

i only have i think 4 spear clears

and 5 fists clears

[latent moon]

I mean the game is built around replayability not grinding for some super high reward

[limber ether]

lmao

spear is my last weapon for the bounties

[stone rune]

i’ve played so much rail it’s wild

[limber ether]

I've forced hunting blades for the last 5 runs and gotten it every single time

[stone rune]

just do 20 achilles 50 heats

[rustic vale]

I’m coping so hard for zeus call on this shackle run

where is zeus

[stone rune]

zoos is in your heart

[limber ether]

https://imgur.com/c48Zl0L

fish

[native blade]

How…?

[stone rune]

so many surface fish

[stoic spoke]

just got my first meg booty call lmao

[latent moon]

just dont give them to the chef after a run and stockpile them lol

[stone rune]

they’re doing parchment work

[native blade]

Lol, didn’t know u could do that.

I just need one more fish from Chaos i swear.

[limber ether]

yeah it's because I was doing bounties at low heat haha

[brisk trail]

Turns out hestia is op with crits 💀

1000 damage on the back with bloodstone debuff

[brisk trail]

The text really went adios

[stone rune]

thats not even the peak

good builds typically end up with like 1.4-1.6k non crit against dad

with fiery presence

[candid igloo]

Do I need to spend the 3 blood to unlock Guan Yu, or will I be able to see the other aspects without this price?

[solar vault]

you don't need to unlock it, if you see the option you're good

[north shell]

imagine not using fiery presence SMH

[brisk trail]

What will happen if it has crit with that damage

[stone rune]

that build won't crit lmfao

you'd have what

aphrodite

poseidon

oh

artemis special so maybe you got pp but you generally would only crit with hunter's mark

which is primarily a room clear thing because you don't proc it often in bossfights

like there's usually one guy on the screen

[brisk trail]

It technically works with boss that can summon enemies

For some reason Hades skull count

[stone rune]

it will during hades phase 1

because he'll summon when he phases

but that's only till they die or you phase

[brisk trail]

Tried to kill the skull with ares on kill buff and I get the buff somehow

[stone rune]

and given those dad fights are gonna be like 45s it won't be long till he's phased

[stone rune]

so

on unmodded

why no MM for fast barge

[latent moon]

Just don't get barge

[stone rune]

real

guy got 607 with 30s barge

[latent moon]

Other minibosses could take longer

Lmao it do be like that

[stone rune]

i mean

gemstone one doesn’t

the bombers do

power couple doesn’t

what does it do for bball

[latent moon]

Power couple can with a bad teleport

[stone rune]

0cycle:

[latent moon]

Moves really fast to another location

[stone rune]

oh

so good build it wont

[latent moon]

I wasn't aware of a 0 cycle power couple

[stone rune]

i think it exists

[latent moon]

But also do people actually do that

0 cycle sneak exists

[stone rune]

i remember cause

i asked

why don’t you shoot off the armor of the head while the stone spawns

and someone said it screws up their 0 cycle

#787779451865399368 message

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

Oh by 0 cycle it means the thwomp is already in the air

And like as soon as it lands you meg

Or right before or whatever

[stone rune]

i think they mean when spawn

thatd be a cycle

[latent moon]

But the circling

[stone rune]

circle until spawn

i assume if you time it right it work

you just need to be able to troll

idk though

[latent moon]

Doesn't the thwomp spawn like really quickly so you wouldn't have time to circle

I don't remember lmao hold on

[stone rune]

idk lmfao

probably misunderstood

[latent moon]

Oh there's a bit of time

https://youtu.be/otgt9xmjgxk
At 8:44, idk how to timestamp on movile lol

[stone rune]

why your cursor white

[latent moon]

Easier to see

It's in the base game settings lol

Bright cursor or something

[native blade]

Ye.

[high island]

Yeah, but very tight timing, and messing it up just costs a lot more time than waiting for it to drop back down.

[stone rune]

highrolling moment

[high island]

And you have very little time to aim Meg lol.

And if you don't kill the Skull Crusher before it goes up, it didn't save you any time to begin with really.

I remember tried Wriste13 tried to make it a thing, but it never caught on too much.

Maybe recently more idk.

Maybe that could have been the 1 second that AngeL1C needed for 64 unseeded lol.

[raw herald]

It’s pretty free on beo with a juiced build and good crusher spawn spot

And if you miss it, it doesnt even waste time since your build is juiced

If your build isnt juiced just dont attempt it

[stone rune]

simply start ricochet and crit imo

[high island]

Yeah, I tend to try to aim for it with Hera and Beowulf but never really bothered on other aspects. Unless maybe I have cracked Smair.

But it's always been more just fun for me to do it than caring if it's optimal or not lol.

[stone rune]

is it possible to get 1150% special scaling by mid aspho

[high island]

You could probably get that easily back in the test branch when poms on Deadly Flourish were bugged to increase crit chance.

Because you only needed like 2 poms for 100% crit chance.

[brisk trail]

Which base weapon deal the most damage?

in any aspects

[spring knoll]

if I get a defiance boon from chaos, does it mean I get 2 charges of stubborn defiance per room for the rest of the game, or just the next room that I die at least once in?

[high island]

The Defiance from Master Chaos will be a normal DD.

And your SD will still be your SD.

SD will be used first.

And recovers in the next chamber.

DD won't come back if you lose it, but heals for 50% instead of 30% like your SD.

[spring knoll]

okay nice, thanks

[high island]

So it's like a failsafe.

On that note... if you lose your SD in a chamber before you pick up Last Stand or Deathless Stand from Lady Athena, she will "replenish" that slot and give you a free DD.

And then you also get your SD back in the next chamber.

If you don't lose your SD before picking up those boons, though, then you don't get a DD from her.

We use that a lot in high heat.

[stone rune]

base weapon, that would be bow

bow standing power shot does 60

[brisk trail]

Hm alrigh

[stone rune]

nova does 50

from sword

oh

rail does 60 special

[high island]

Bow does INFINITE DAMAGE.

[stone rune]

uh fists and spear are low

oh wait

bow standing power does 70

but you don’t standing on it anyways

dash strike power does 50

[high island]

Bow definitely does the most because...

[brisk trail]

Trying to stand shot feels like easy way to die 💀

Since you have to dash often to avoid attacks

[stone rune]

the aspect with the biggest number is arthur

whose 3rd swing does 200

hestia’s empowered shot does 150

[brisk trail]

200 damage sounds very promising tbh

[high island]

https://i.imgur.com/y6YQ1o4.png

[stone rune]

rama does 125 on a dash strike

and 175 on standing

plus shared suffering

[jaunty nimbus]

hello people

[stone rune]

but like

the most consistent big numbers are hestia and rama

because arthur only does the 200 every 3 strikes

[brisk trail]

Is hestia reload just bow on steroids

[high island]

Hestia is just bow.

[stone rune]

hestia reload is like if bow

[high island]

Bow is bow.

[brisk trail]

Bow except you can actually spam it with full charge

[north shell]

minus the fact that it's so slow that i could rebuild the ottoman empire in the time in between attacks

[high island]

Hestia is bow without Twin Shot and piercing.

[jaunty nimbus]

any tips for a newbie?

[brisk trail]

I hate slow weapon since I find it boring

[north shell]

press button fast

[stone rune]

hestia is like if arthur worked

[stone rune]

first tip: #h1-for-new-players

[high island]

Check pins in #h1-for-new-players for some newbie guides.

Also spoilers are allowed anywhere but in the newbie channel, so might wanna remain in there for now to avoid spoilers.

[brisk trail]

||Imagine going here and instantly realize the final boss of hades is hades||

[stone rune]

you know

isnt literally the title of #h1-high-heat-strategies a spoiler

[brisk trail]

Its impossible to avoid spoilers nowadays

[high island]

Not exactly since they won't really have a clue what it means.

But if you talk about it as a game feature, that's different.

[north shell]

wouldn't that logic make heat not a spoiler?

[stone rune]

.

[north shell]

hm

[high island]

Like... for all they know, "hades high heat strategies" could just be a more thematic name for "hades try-hard strategies" lol.

[north shell]

[high island]

And even if they figure it's maybe some feature, it doesn't really go into specifics unlike if you bring it up in conversation. Like... if it's not considered a spoiler, then people can just talk about it openly there. But since it's a spoiler, they'll at most assume or know it's something in the game, but they won't get spoiled all of the details.

[brisk trail]

Is it really a spoiler if heat is instantly available by going hell mode

Since some may just jump right in

[stoic spoke]

Is that not what it basically is

[north shell]

that kind of players usually don't care about spoilers

[stoic spoke]

Heat is try hard hades

[north shell]

heat is purposefully making yourself suffer

[brisk trail]

Putting 32 heat just to torture yourself be like

[north shell]

it's basically just a difficulty multiplier

although tbh it's not even that bad

until you go like

really high

[brisk trail]

Tried EM4 and I can say I literally suffer from it

[north shell]

em4 isn't needed below like 55 heat

[brisk trail]

Im literally dying with 0 DD after beating phase 2 then phase 3 comes in

[north shell]

and tbf it's not even that hard

[brisk trail]

Although I eventually clutched my way through

[north shell]

in fact most punishments aren't that bad on their own, but rather annoying when combined

tho there are some that are bad regardless of combinations ig

[high island]

I don't think the pact is actually immediately available to be modified in hell mode, is it? Just 5 Heat is hard locked in.

Idk I started my hell mode file like 3 years ago I think lol.

[brisk trail]

Which pact is the hardest to use tho

[stone rune]

ri

[high island]

Well, hardest depends a lot on your skill level tbh.

Like...

[north shell]

ri is just sad

prob the hardest one to use on its own

[high island]

All of the other pacts you can in theory play super slow with Zeus for example and handle in some way.

[north shell]

imo

[high island]

But TD3 is just straight-up impossible if you don't have the mechanics down to clear it.

[spring knoll]

oh man this is great. I've got flurry slash + swift strike + cursed slash. I can face tank everything and outheal the damage they're doing to me!

[stone rune]

no other pact if maxed out with nothing else will actually give you a hard time

except RI

like

ap2 is fine because you don’t need a build for 0 heat

em4 is fine because it’s not fo2

and not hl5

etc etc

[brisk trail]

Idk if I can survive without the mirror 💀

[stone rune]

but ri4 is like hard

[stone rune]

mirrorless boonless rn

[high island]

Well, like I said, there are players who literally cannot beat TD3 with nothing else. So it's like... 0% win chance until they hit the necessary skill floor.

[stone rune]

i might go back to boonless mirrorless for a bit

i seem to have hit a massive wall with speedrunning

[brisk trail]

I find tight deadline kinda hard ngl

Especially if I lack dps to speedrun

[north shell]

how much time was td again? 15 or 20?

[stone rune]

td3 is 20

if it was 15 64 would be flat impossible

[north shell]

20 minutes with no other limitations is like

[spring knoll]

I find even level 1 forced overtime to be harder than em4

[north shell]

eh

[spring knoll]

I don't understand how people play on level 2 fo

[stone rune]

you get used to it

[brisk trail]

They really took "just dont get hit lol" literally

[high island]

I feel like your "massive wall with speedrunning" is just a lack of motivation recently. You used to seem a lot more excited about it. But recently sounds more like a chore to you.

[north shell]

tbf idrk, ig if you're a new player td3 would technically be hard but after you do like more than 5 completed runs you can probably go under 20 pretty easily

[stone rune]

no reset was a poor idea

[brisk trail]

I dont think its good idea to force yourself to do it if it becomes chore

[stone rune]

i literally have stopped running bc i don’t want to have to log my runs in the spreadsheet

[high island]

You don't have to keep doing it if you're not having fun.

Or you can also just do other things inbetween on another profile or something.

[spring knoll]

td3 is a lot harder on my save since I chose hell mode 😕

[stone rune]

yeah i’ve been doing some achilles on the side

[brisk trail]

Rather struggle and have fun than easily win but not having fun tbh

[stone rune]

its very fun in the beginning

[high island]

Oh I didn't know you were logging runs manually.

[north shell]

achilles w

[stone rune]

but i hate castspects so using hunting blades sucks

[brisk trail]

I felt like Hades is getting boring when I realize I can beat it easily now

[stone rune]

super fun tart and aspho though

just utter meltage

[brisk trail]

May aswell use more heat for sake of it

[stone rune]

when it gets easy it’s time to up the heat

[north shell]

^

[high island]

What I did for speedrun practice like that was to just run against my average time rather than trying to beat my PB or anything. And then just like... try to consistently bring my average down.

[spring knoll]

when 64 heat becomes easy to you then you can quit ^_^

[north shell]

when 64 becomes easy you go for sub 3 speedrun anyheat

[brisk trail]

You know you beaten the game when even the hardest difficulty becomes super easy

[north shell]

unseeded

cause that's definetly doable

[stone rune]

lmfao

[stone rune]

how did you log avg time

my avg on no reset is probably somewhere around 830 rn i can’t play without a build

[high island]

Livesplit.

[stone rune]

figures

how do you connect it to igt

is that somewhere in resources tab

[high island]

I have no idea where I downloaded it from, that was ages ago lol. Ask in speedrun discord.

But as for selecting IGT/RTA, you just right-click on it and then hover over "compare against".

You can also select average time from there.

And 4/6 on your numpad let you go through PB/Goal/Best Segments/Average Time as well.

[brisk trail]

What is the best god to use in your opinion?
I find Hermes rather useful since his boon kinda saved my life.

[north shell]

it's really just based on what build you're doing tbh

hermes is really good tho

[high island]

He's also in literally every run.

Lady Aphrodite is the best, of course.

[north shell]

exactly

all builds benefit from hermes

[torpid cairn]

depends on the weapon but i tend to prefer artemis

[brisk trail]

Greatest reflex is my favorite boon lol

That 3+ dash is kinda broken if you are lucky

[brisk trail]

It synergy kinda well with Hestia rail imo

Since the charged shot do alot of damage

[torpid cairn]

i like her the best with arthur

[rustic vale]

Greatest reflex is one of the best boons in the game

[brisk trail]

That thing hard carried me in hades fight

Since its really easy to dodge his attack with it

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/1MnwOkGwLn7

[peak carbon]

Em4 time let's try it

Ok I almost died at the furies lmao. I didn't know what that final cloud thing was with Alecto

[peak carbon]

I lost all my lives to asterius

[glass adder]

So i saw a weapon tier list and seems like all my ideas were wrong

I do pretty bad with bow

Shield is great against hades and that's my biggest weakness

[north shell]

are you first timing EM?

[high island]

What weapon tier list?

[glass adder]

Youtubers, i watched 2 and they were pretty similar

[high island]

Can you be more specific.