h1-discussion

[wild dagger]

wish i could get a chaos gate every room

[stone rune]

Enshrouded Enshrouded Enshrouded Enshrouded Enshrouded Enshrouded

[rustic falcon]

I like hammer more than chaos Gaye because they change the main weapon, make the game more fun and interesting

like cluster bombs

[high island]

You're almost guaranteed to see the hammer again, but not the Chaos Gate.

[rustic falcon]

oh

oh yeah true

[stone rune]

chaos when you're on cast build:

[high island]

And it saves both in-game and real time.

So might as well.

[rustic falcon]

chaos can give +1 cast to

[stone rune]

chaos vs. giving you grasp one (1) time

[solar vault]

Honestly I find myself taking chaos almost 100% of the time it's there

[rustic falcon]

isn't chaos only in asphodel never it outside of that maybe in elysium once because of shop spanking it

[high island]

Master Chaos is one reason Fated Persuasion is so much better.

[rustic falcon]

same

[solar vault]

the chance for gates to appear decreases as you go through the biomes I believe

[high island]

Haven't heard anything like that. Not like it'll have any effect on how you'd play either way.

[strong steppe]

How hammer spawn and chaos gates are calculated?

Every times I take Chaos egg I haven't their gate 😭😭

[gray apex]

They differ from biome to biome but going deeper in the same biome does not affect it

[gray apex]

Cosmic Egg is meant to increase the rarity of Chaos boons and remove the hp penalty. It does not guarantee a gate to show up.

[strong steppe]

It increase the rarity? So decrease the spawn rate? I don't know If I understood right.

[stone rune]

dzeus really just offered me a special swap before attack

I ROLLED AND GOT HTE EXACT SAME BOONS

[gray apex]

The hammer is offered as a room reward based on the bag. Once a reward shows up on the door it is removed from the bag, room rewards are selected randomly from the bag assuming they're eligible. When no rewards are eligible the bag gets refilled. There is more to it but that's the general idea. As for Chaos it's a % chance, 15% in Tart, 7.5% in Aspho and 5% in Elysium assuming you're not on cooldown. Tart cd is 10 chambers, Aspho and Ely is 8 chambers.

[gray apex]

No correlation

[solar vault]

increasing the rarity means that the chaos boons you get offered are more likely to be rare or epic

[gray apex]

Legendary aswell

[stone rune]

omg

[strong steppe]

Ooooh I see

[stone rune]

i have to sell rush delivery why

[strong steppe]

It's 15% in tart?

[gray apex]

Correct

[strong steppe]

Wow

Chaos egg could be cool in tart

[cyan jolt]

Chaos egg is the best in styx

[stone rune]

real

fists are so utterly annoying

why do they exist

[cyan jolt]

Fists feel like the weapon with the least amount of fun builds

[strong steppe]

Irony I suppose?

[cyan jolt]

Yea

[strong steppe]

I pretty like them

Oh, thanks

[cyan jolt]

You can't get chaos In styx

[native blade]

That… Is… Cap…

[strong steppe]

That's what i though

[cyan jolt]

Merciful end and dash build with gilga is all I can think of

And support fire

[native blade]

There’s Punchplume with Agspect
Yo-Yo Fist with Talos
And you’ve mentioned Gilga
The most practical is Demeter and there are well explained builds for that.

Btw Punchplume is (Flambent Plume with Zagreus aspect)
And Yo-yo is (Tempest Flourish for Talos fist.

[latent moon]

Yoyo isn't good dps wise and plume is a bit rng dependent

Oh the basis was fun

Yeah yoyo is valid I suppose

To each their own

[rustic vale]

Smair or hangover work too

[stone rune]

is dio atk aph special on demeter workable

low tolerance

[rustic vale]

Yes

[stone rune]

so naturally, dio offers me a replacement instead of the atk

[rustic vale]

It’s one of the 3 attacks that work well on demeter

[stone rune]

dzeus dio and what

ares?

[rustic vale]

Zeus dio and ares

[stone rune]

ME?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[stone rune]

do i take athena keepsake and hope to see dio again or do i do dio

[rustic vale]

Athena keepsake?

[stone rune]

ddash

[rustic vale]

Opening parting shot and calculated risk isn’t worth it

[stone rune]

i love ddash sm

this is trqagic

[rustic vale]

What is your god pool rn

[stone rune]

aph

ares

dem

dio

[rustic vale]

force dio in to grab his strike yeah

[stone rune]

got stuffed and forced into

dio needs poms right

[rustic vale]

Yup

[stone rune]

omg

long knuckle makes my life so much easier

[slender mist]

Using the bow to escape for the first time

Made it through Tartarus so far

[brisk trail]

good luck. i personally dislike the bow. but i have a friend that swears by it. i've chalked it up to just differences in prefered playstyle.

[stone rune]

bow is fun

[brisk trail]

i mean, i can have fun with it, yeah. it's just that if i have to chose between the bow or something else, i'm going to take aspect of gilgamesh. 😛

[tired karma]

who would u rather hang out with
ares or aphrodite

[brisk trail]

i mean... that's a tougher choice than it might first sound like.

[native blade]

Ayo, are there any casts that give status effects?

[brisk trail]

i think dio's does.

[rustic vale]

Crush shot

Some of the others can give status curses if you have certain boons

[brisk trail]

i know demeter's needs an extra boon to cause chilled.

[stone rune]

lol

[rustic vale]

Trippy shot/flare stunning isn’t a status curse but does stun

[native blade]

Can someone verify this? I also think it does but I'm not sure.

[rustic vale]

.

[native blade]

So it doesn't count for pstats at all.

[rustic vale]

Yes

[native blade]

F

[stone rune]

you can make it give chill with dio dem duo

[brisk trail]

ah, ok. i wasn't sure what festive fog does.

[rustic vale]

phalanx shot, lightning shot, flood shot, true shot, crystal beam can all give status effects with t2 boons

[brisk trail]

fun build. zues shield + ares cast. i like to call it the roflcopter build.

[rustic vale]

Trippy shot/flare can give status curses through ice wine (and scillanting feast if you have jolted)

[brisk trail]

btw. was it just my build, or is holy excalibur just nutty strong?

[rustic vale]

zeus shield on it’s own is great, adding the slicing shot is just like
Why not lean harder into the thing your aspect actually does well

[rustic vale]

Slicing shot can inflict chill with freezing vortex as well

And that should be all situations in which casts can inflict status curses

[brisk trail]

shudders
dang. the thought of being cut up by a cold blade just... oof.

[rustic vale]

Too bad it moves uber slow

[latent moon]

freezing vortex kinda doodoo

neat for slicing flare beo but also slicing flare beo

[brisk trail]

i'm still missing a fish from the surface. is the hades boss room really the only way i can get those fish now?

also i can't seem to find more fishing spots in chaos rooms. they just don't pop up anymore.

[native blade]

Ye.

[brisk trail]

oof. well, time for mods then. seen one that should help with that.

good evening chat

i jjust had a run get to ten minutes cause i forgot to pause right after starting and went to take a shower

[native blade]

F

Hope u had a good shower tho.

[brisk trail]

atleast i showered tho, we stay clean 💪 💯

[stone rune]

ive sold hyper sprint so many times

i gotta remember to buy something to sell

em2 is so easy

wtf

asterius buff is crazy

[brisk trail]

dio and pos duo boon goes crazy wtf

epid rarity MINIMUM boon rarity

[stone rune]

does anyone know wr longest 32x6

[raw herald]

Wdym

[stone rune]

longest time taken for 32x6

[raw herald]

Longest as in most time taken for runs?

Oh

Dunno

[rustic vale]

Lmfao what

[raw herald]

Can’t you just td0 and take infinite time

[stone rune]

well i just did approximately

it was like

57 runs

[raw herald]

Ah

[stone rune]

969 minutes

on average i suppose

if it took like 17 each clear

[raw herald]

How was it a streak then

[stone rune]

because i did not lose between

[stone rune]

tart-asphodel or asphodel-elysium with sprint and 2 cores on uc which is for some reason a common occurence for me

skill issue

[raw herald]

How did it take 57 runs then

Unless you quit out when you were close to death

[stone rune]

i did others in between

[raw herald]

Ohh

[stone rune]

so really it was more like 32 -> 0x5 -> 20 x40 -> 40 x1 -> 32 etc

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764541705403760700/1069387638026551346/image.png

i almost crapped myself

[feral belfry]

You skipped some of the easiest pacts of punishment

Or is that intentional

[latent moon]

Homie going down the list lmao

[feral belfry]

[stone rune]

according to the narrator im now good at the game

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032194552930521108/1069406467658109040/IMG_0221.png

why...

[dire tendon]

might have unironically just lost a dd to tartarus timer room

💀

i am not sure how you're supposed to do that room right

i tried sitting in a corner but i got sniped from out of range

unfortunate

getting used to high confidence is a bit tough

[stone rune]

kill them all

[dire tendon]

i was trying but not well enough i guess

next time tho

welp i died to lernie

lesson learned: don't take the damage on attack when you literally have no other damage options

(self damage)

[high island]

That's the wrong lesson.

[dire tendon]

damn

[high island]

The right lesson is take that curse and don't get hit.

[brisk trail]

chaos cant kill you hihi...

[dire tendon]

i may or may not have walked into lava once or twice

at 1 hp

shhhj

[high island]

And also keep using your Attack anyway.

[dire tendon]

yeah i didnt stop

i jsut died lol

skill issue

[high island]

Yeah. Hypnos once asked me if I tried not doing that, and that really opened my eyes.

Always with the clutch advice.

[brisk trail]

master god of gamers hypnos

[white path]

Charon at the end is selling 3 poms of power and 0 boons

bruh

[mint coral]

You are gonna eat the poms and you will enjoy it

[tall trench]

when you have multiple T2 priority boons available, do they each get a 50% chance to appear if boon rolling makes it to that step or is it just a single 50% chance and then one is selected to offer?

[white path]

Given that the anvil will replace my triple bomb (which I like) with hazard bomb (I have eris) and explosive fire (I don't like short range against boss, or low ammo), I guess I have no choice

quit & reload MVP

But do I risk some hp and go for a boss in exchange for 2 poms?

nah

[solar vault]

the bosses honestly are easier than regular rooms

[mint coral]

^

Mini bosses first always good

[solar vault]

it's much less messy and less time to get damaged by poison

[stone rune]

they're way shorter and a load easier

especially if you meg it up

[white path]

true, I forgot that

[stone rune]

because normal end rooms have like a quintillion waves

but so long as you don't get tonyd it's easy

on minibosses

[unkempt vessel]

you know if there are any hades player "stereotype"?

[native blade]

Elaborate.

[brisk trail]

like how "stereotypical smash player" brings an image to mind

[rustic vale]

The 4 types of players
Hades discord server player
Redditor (as in uses Hades Subreddit for game knowledge)
Completely utterly new to the game
Has experience but no contact with outside world

[native blade]

Why are all of those me at the same time?

[rustic vale]

Remove #2 from your existence

[latent moon]

they're all bi

that's pretty much the only neutral one

[native blade]

Lel.

You’re not born bi.

You become bi when you play hades.

And that’s the only truth.

[restive turtle]

I found a visual glitch in the game lol

[native blade]

Pics.

[restive turtle]

Uploading to YouTube

[unkempt vessel]

makes lot of sense ngl

[native blade]

B-but… Funny Hades memes.

[latent moon]

i mean using the subreddit for memes is fine

using it for advice is horrible

there's very few people there who give good advice lmao

[unkempt vessel]

you cannot expect a reddit comment to be good

[latent moon]

the ones that do give good advice there are active in the discord lol

[latent moon]

mine are 😔

[native blade]

Very true

[unkempt vessel]

most people think that

[latent moon]

i mean if that's the case, then dont take any of my advice here lmao

because it's the exact same thing i would say

[restive turtle]

Just joined the Aspects club

[rustic vale]

Looking at it for memes is fine

Looking at it for actual game knowledge isn’t

[native blade]

I knew that long before this game lol.

[latent moon]

it's a minefield of finding what's useful and what's not

except what you think is useful is actually a live hand grenade

[unkempt vessel]

ngl wiki is a way better place for information

[latent moon]

wiki doesn't really have ideas for builds tho

[restive turtle]

https://youtu.be/jl6fbe8oDEc

[latent moon]

the speedrun website does but not everyone really turns to that

like the people on reddit think cursed slash is good lmao

and they praise chaos shield a lot

[restive turtle]

@native blade

[latent moon]

damn i can't see it

[brisk trail]

i wouldnt say its good but it can be fun

[latent moon]

yeah you can find it fun but it's just not a great aspect lol

like people find gilga fun

[rustic vale]

Like talos and gilga

[latent moon]

is it a good aspect? it's a contender for worst aspect lol

[stone rune]

god i hate blue laurels

[rustic vale]

Mod your game to let dark foresight have a higher max

[mint coral]

Bestlos

[stone rune]

me when ff:

[native blade]

Says it’s private.

[rustic vale]

True

[stone rune]

this game refuses to give me ares

[rustic vale]

Is he forced in?

[stone rune]

ff

im in ely rn with ddash and dflourish

FINALLY

oh thank god he's made up for it

made it to heroes

then died

cause no ME

had to cower

[mint coral]

Surprised you didnt reset after no Ares earlier than that

[latent moon]

isn't there a file in speedcord that guarantees ares in tart

[restive turtle]

what?
I set it Public

[stone rune]

are there any landmark achievements one should get before foraying into speedrunning?

[prisma wind]

Strictly speaking, no. That being said, it's generally recommended that you complete your own casual playthrough first to just enjoy the game before entering reset hellspeedrunning

[tall trench]

I can get to Dad about 50% of the time with a fresh file run now but I still can't kill him, I might have to just make a save state to practice the fight cause I'm barely making it halfway

[latent moon]

you dont need any unless you want to play hera, beowulf, and situationally achilles
those want to take dad call into styx for big burst damage against dad, but you don't exactly need it to get a sub10

[mint coral]

Or just pull a bigp moment and download a maxed file asap and not knowing the story

[amber veldt]

best early game keepsake? something i can get with nectar

[stone rune]

gods

[prisma wind]

Hard to go wrong gifting Skelly

[stone rune]

cerberus is better

even with only lvl2 dd in early game

[amber veldt]

which one

[prisma wind]

Yeah, Cerberus is a good choice too

[stone rune]

whichever suits your build

are you new to the game?

if you want to avoid spoilers go to #h1-for-new-players

[amber veldt]

im gonna run shield or spear not sure yet tbh

[stone rune]

generally, poseidon, athena, aphrodite, artemis are probably the most immediately usable in my experience

[random dawn]

I purchased this game about 2 years ago but didn't play it much back then. I just picked it up again several weeks ago and I just escaped my 10th time and wow this game is so good. I love the story, hidden details, combat, art, and all the bits of life and love thrown into the game. It's so good I don't know what I am going to do with my life now. I also did a heat 16 for the achievement. I'm telling all my friends to play this game as the only real thing I can do to share in it. I love this game so much. That's all. I just needed to share and tell someone. 😍

[prisma wind]

Here's the thing. If you're just learning the game, you don't need to be worrying about what's optimal. God keepsakes will help you craft builds, but it's better in my opinion to just get a feel for the game yourself before trying to seek out builds and optimizations. Skelly and Cerberus keepsakes are both good early game keepsakes that will help your survivability while you become acquainted with the game

[stone rune]

have fun on 32 ❤️

i agree though

i also first played (pirated) it 2 years ago and wasn't too fond of it

but then i picked it up last christmas and loved it

[random dawn]

I'll give it a shot but I don't know if I'm good enough for that high of difficulty in games anymore in general

[stone rune]

legally this time

[random dawn]

I played a bit last time but I dont know why I stopped. Recently I sorted my many games by highest reviews and Hades was at the top so I said I need to actually play some good non multiplayer games and experience them. I'm so glad I committed to playing, experiencing the story, experimenting with builds and so forth. It was such a rewarding experience. I don't think I really understood good build synergies last time I played which is why I didnt get very far. But now I have a pretty good general knowledge of build synergies and things like that. It's so good it is one of those games you'd love to watch someone else experience for the first time or you wish you could go back and do again for the first time too.

[prisma wind]

I know what you mean, I've probably watched at least a dozen people play through for their first time and it's so fun to see them experience it

[latent moon]

don't fresh file to credits players take tooth

[stone rune]

dd count id figure

if you only have 1 dd like you would early on tooth would be better, sd tooth is miles better

[mint coral]

@random dawn you can die to TD

But you also can iframe the dmg from it iirc?

[stone rune]

if you dash

[random dawn]

How often does TD do damage to you if you know? I noticed I only had like 30 seconds left and still quite a bit left to burn with health.

Are you saying I was like one second away from dying 🤣

[stone rune]

5/sec

[random dawn]

Wow I am screaming

I cant believe it thank you that's good to know

[native blade]

That pillar do be flashing doe.

[amber veldt]

best boon for chaos shield?

[native blade]

I’m a casual gamer so take this with a grain of salt but…

I’d say Aphro attack?

[amber veldt]

the chaos shield is built around bull rush+special right

[native blade]

And maybe Poseidon special?

[native blade]

Ye.

[amber veldt]

does bull rush count as attack

[native blade]

Ig it depends on what you want your bull rush and special to do.

[native blade]

Ye.

[amber veldt]

oh ok

[brisk trail]

got a whole day of college classes ahead of me and we up at midnight playin hades

[stone rune]

now see the issue is being in eastern time

or central

[brisk trail]

its my last run before bed tho so im doin a build i havent done yet

chiron, pos attack, zeus special

[stone rune]

hestia hestia hestia

[brisk trail]

lucifer my favorite

cause i can put on dio and make it LEAN BEAM!!!!!!!!!!

[solar vault]

that's beautiful

[brisk trail]

ik

i have an eye for art

[latent moon]

the special kinda sucks unless you point blank it

top players just straight up avoid using the special

[stone rune]

i thought it was just played as bad zagshield

[latent moon]

and you just spam charged shot if you have it or dash strike a bunch

or use pulv blow

[rustic vale]

It’s built around attack
Bull rush if you find charged shot

[latent moon]

yeah that's avoiding using the special

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

chaos shield is ideally played as bad zag shield

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[stone rune]

you could feasibly unbind q

[amber veldt]

so should i not get aspect of chaos first?

because thats the whole point of it right

[random dawn]

I tried using chaos shield and was so confused as to why I couldnt attack and block for the longest time lol

[latent moon]

yeah i wouldn't get it

[random dawn]

When I used my special that is

[solar vault]

I tried zeus shield early on and just never looked back honestly

[latent moon]

zeus is very good and pact resistant

[brisk trail]

zeus was just too boring imo

[latent moon]

up the heat then lol

zeus is pretty hard to use and learn tho

[amber veldt]

so aspect of zeus and zeus keepsake for the boon?

[latent moon]

yeah

get his special

[amber veldt]

and the combo is just bull rush special right

[random dawn]

I liked the chaos shield but I would NOT use the special in a crowd of enemies unless you are planning on kiting for a while. If you use the chaos shield it is okay in a 1 on 1 boss fight but I wasn't paying attention and didn't realize the special meant you couldn't charge your rush attack which means you open yourself up to damage. I really liked the shield for learning the attack patterns of different bosses though. It's only because of the shield that I was able to beat all the bosses using the bow later after I learned their attack patterns more.

[latent moon]

that's exactly why you never use shield special lmao

[stone rune]

zagbow sweeps

[random dawn]

But I'm still pretty new so I dont really know what I'm talking about. I just escaped for the 11th time and on heat 16 so far. I dont know what I'm talking about.

[latent moon]

you can't block or atk while the special is out doing its thing

[amber veldt]

ohh

[latent moon]

it's.... complicated lol

[amber veldt]

so is shield in general kinda meh?

[latent moon]

well no

shield is top 3 weapon

[stone rune]

LOL

[latent moon]

you just never use the special

unless it's zeus shield

because you can block and atk while the special is out

[brisk trail]

beo supremacy

[stone rune]

zagshield is fun

and good

[amber veldt]

ohh got it

[latent moon]

the main idea with zeus shield is basically like

[brisk trail]

i have more fun with gilgmesh pos dash then zeus shield sometimes

[latent moon]

kite the enemies and throw your special into them, knock enemies into the disc, and bull rush into the disc and recall at the same time if you have explosive return

[random dawn]

I started using shield chaos to push heats up to 11. I chose the chaos shield because I wanted some form of ranged on it but the charged shot Daedalus hammer I felt like was really really good and means the special didn't really matter at all and mostly just hurt me.

[latent moon]

cshot is probably best hammer in the game unironically

either way

[random dawn]

I am not very good with Zeus shield move but I can see its appeal. I would just struggle with ranged enemies without the charged upgrade

[latent moon]

i recommend watching top zeus players to get a general idea of how to play it

[stone rune]

explosive return:

[latent moon]

just use the bull rush to get closer lol

[stone rune]

one thing i hate about shield is having to do asphodel 4 witches

[latent moon]

bull rush has iframes all throughout

[stone rune]

bc i always knock them away

[latent moon]

can't you just do the 4 witch meg

[random dawn]

omg yes

[stone rune]

same in styx with the gemstone things

[stone rune]

now me personally i'm garbo

[latent moon]

fair

[stone rune]

if you ever wanna use shield very easy though

zagshield with aph strike breezed through 32 for me

[brisk trail]

mmm arthur aph strike

[stone rune]

idk why i used to love arthur sm

i did 24 arthur runs in a row and i have used it once since

[latent moon]

every shield is an easy 32 with cshot tbh lmao

[stone rune]

every shield is an easy 32 with

[brisk trail]

every

[solar vault]

e

[stone rune]

rail more fun though

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764541705403760700/1069498907115139152/image.png

[latent moon]

zag rail spread fire ME is fun

[stone rune]

what do i max first hades or talos

[latent moon]

talos

funny succ

[random dawn]

I know what you mean and I do in certain moments but I also do it sometimes and just take lots of damage. I'm just better at bow right now I think. I need to work on melee more although I feel like shield is a bit of both with that bull rush.

[latent moon]

that's fair

[stone rune]

ZAGBOW W 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[latent moon]

there's a funky tech with shield and i think it's called a delayed dash strike?

works great for witches, idk if it applies to the archers

[random dawn]

Also I just cleared the game 10 times so I am still not that used to all the weapons. It is weird my first clear was with rail, then I pushed to 11 heat with chaos shield then I went to 16 on the chiron bow. i dont know why I jumped around lol

[stone rune]

also is it just me or is long knuckle easier than breaching cross

[latent moon]

the swipe from the shield after a dash strike destroys projectiles, so you can do a delayed dash strike right into a witch projectile and nullify it

kinda "extending" your iframes

[stone rune]

so

slightly related

is it optimal to

when you're dash attack/specialing

to always put the attack/special as late into the dash as possible

or does it not matter

[latent moon]

well if you just need straight dps, earlier the better because i think it stops the dash earlier? i could be wrong on that one tho

but for safety to utilize as much iframes, later is prob better

[stone rune]

from my extremely rudimentary testing, this seems to be the case

[latent moon]

from how the delayed dash strike on shield works, i'm assuming the earlier you atk in a dstrike the shorter your dashes

[stone rune]

if you click earlier, the dashstrike sound occurs nearly the same time as the dash sound

while later and they can have 0 overlap

for hestia, is it good to buffer click for attack or is that inconsistent

[latent moon]

i think it's inconsistent because sometimes it doesn't count as a dstrike for me, but im also bad with hestia

[stone rune]

i wanna learn to fast hestia

[latent moon]

watch zyru lol

[stone rune]

i do happen to have about 4.6k hours in a rhythm game so if it makes hades a rhythm game i'm down

[latent moon]

he has a 5:20 iirc? i'm assuming it's the fastest time lol

[stone rune]

well its rhythm game status is actually heavily debated

but it still sorta counts

[latent moon]

lmao if that's the case you should be good enough for a low hestia time

[stone rune]

someone has a 5:19 lol

[latent moon]

bruh lmfao

that's so sad

still tho zyru's good

[stone rune]

it was actually before

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1069501279002427453/image.png

[latent moon]

oh kirrbyy's also good

but yeah watching hestia and getting the combo down would help a lot

[stone rune]

i've got it roughly down

not fast

but i know what it is

i think like half my playtime on this game at this point is from the damn courtyard

[latent moon]

lmfao fair

codex mod in the rocket bomb lol

and give skelly infinite hp

[stone rune]

doc says it's bad!!!!

[latent moon]

what

no it isn't

[stone rune]

jk i misrememberd

[latent moon]

that's literally the hammer to take on like every rail that isn't luci

or spread fire zag

[stone rune]

it says only at high heat its not as good

[latent moon]

yeah at high heat you need more dps from hazard

i mean it'll work at high heat until a threshold prob

[stone rune]

do speedrun high heat docs also apply to not speedrun high heat

at some point in the indeterminate future i'd like to 50 it up

[latent moon]

uh

to clarify you mean

high heat speedrun vs normal high heat?

[stone rune]

just generally like the tips

cause at high heat you have to be fast as well right

[latent moon]

well the 32 speedrun pact is different than the standard 32 pacts

at 40 there isn't much choice

[stone rune]

hestia makes 32 free

[latent moon]

at 50 idrk but it's prob like the ap2 dc1 pact or something idk

[latent moon]

for hestia it's prob like, em2 hl5 or some crap idr

hl5 is actually standard for 32 speed

oh bruh

[stone rune]

silly goose

[latent moon]

oh found the naughty word in that thing

i dont wanna fix it

[stone rune]

it says like

hell mode

[latent moon]

no

def not

that has js1

default pacts are max HL/LC, EM2, BP1, FO2, HS, TD3. for most of the time you should run all of these and they make up for 27 heat in total.

[rustic vale]

High heat speedrun takes hellmode, normal mode doesn’t

[latent moon]

the other choices have em3, uc, mm, bp2

pick whatever to make 5

em3 isn't fast for hestia

unless clockets rd

probably

so you prob have to take like bp2 and uc/mm

idk zyru did 32 heat speedruns on all aspects

and uploaded/submitted them so just see what he takes

he also has 40 wr

[stone rune]

hl5 lc4 em2 bp2 uc fo2 hs td3

[latent moon]

yeah sounds about right

uc doesn't slow you down, mm can

and hestia is boon resistant

32 speedrun pact is basically a 40 pact with no em3 lol

[stone rune]

hl5 lc4 cf1 js1 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ri2 ap2 td3 pl

[latent moon]

50 pact for hestia?

[stone rune]

yeah thats what he used in his 3rd place

is that a fast or a normal

how much difference is there

[latent moon]

well at 50 there isn't much pacts you can take lmao

[stone rune]

it seems like this is just 40 but making any kind of build is extremely annoying

[latent moon]

the only difference would probably be like, more cf/js

instead of ri

because you obv want to reduce js in speedrunning

and cf can hurt

for speed

[stone rune]

yeah the ri2 ap2 pl adds to 10

[latent moon]

pretty much yeah

[stone rune]

does pl make lava worse

[latent moon]

40 is basically all the pacts you avoided at 32 lol

[latent moon]

i dont think lava gives you a bubble

so it doesnt do anything

i guess technically it does if you get wombo comboed so the bubble goes off and then you step into lava

[stone rune]

does like asterius's attack continuously deal damage or only once

when he axe slams

[latent moon]

i think it hits twice?

the initial hit and the aoe

[stone rune]

144

[latent moon]

hm

that doesnt seem right

maybe i've always avoided getting hit by both lmao

i dont remember getting hit for that much before

i feel like i would've remembered it?

[stone rune]

slam does 72 doesn't it

[latent moon]

idk the numbers lol

i just kill it

[stone rune]

would maybe hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ri1 ap2 td3 pl or something be easier

that second ri seems really annoying

[latent moon]

i mean it's viable for a normal 50 pact

but he built the pact for speed

so he kept js to a minimum

[stone rune]

yeah i wanna modify it

to not be speed but ease

[latent moon]

i think at 50 you might as well take js3? not sure if it matters on hestia tho and what else you can avoid

[stone rune]

if you're taking js3 would you wanna stick modded on hazard?

[latent moon]

well high heat hestia does use hazard

[stone rune]

but is that a speed thing or an ap2 thing

or something else

[latent moon]

no clue

i just know it takes it

see what zyru did

if he took rocket it was def for speed

because i've been told by others that hazard is good for high heat

because it's so much damage

[stone rune]

starts splash dash

[latent moon]

yeah sounds about right

[stone rune]

clockets

man ap2 clockets

[latent moon]

lmao i wonder how many resets that took

[stone rune]

his prior run was a win lol

[latent moon]

well clockets is a valid strat it's just not consistent lol

[stone rune]

it had rocket and

whatever the hell this is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1069507428925833296/image.png

spread fire?

[latent moon]

yeah

so a dud hammer

rail hammers are so nice in that none of them actually harm you

except hazard bomb literally

[stone rune]

on lucifer they can right

[latent moon]

but it doesnt cripple you unless it's eris

[stone rune]

the non ramping one

[latent moon]

well that one idrk for high heat

[stone rune]

idk if its good or not but that has drawbcak

wow

hestia 60 looks

fun

[latent moon]

lmao anything past like 55 looks very fun

[lone sable]

Infinite ammo but no more scaling:

That one could go rather funny tho with athena's attack

[latent moon]

i mean eternal chamber isnt that bad tbh

because like you want a flat damage source anyways

[lone sable]

I mean i would rather have triple special or the bigger radius special

[latent moon]

it's really only harmful for like higher end play where you need the extra ramp up damage and you can manage ammo efficiently

[latent moon]

well yeah obv

but that wasn't the point

the point was that it's not that harmful

[lone sable]

Seriusly who tought that triple the special was balanced

[latent moon]

clockets is less balanced frankly

[lone sable]

Which one was clockets?

[latent moon]

rocket bomb + cluster bomb

[lone sable]

Oh

Havent tried rocket bomb yet

[latent moon]

rocket damage isn't reduced by cluster lol

[lone sable]

Oh bruh

Tought they wouldnt be compatible

[latent moon]

they are somehow lol

[lone sable]

Btw does forced overtime hust reduce enemy attack delay by 20% or increase their attack speed to 120%

Cause it feels a lot faster than 120% speed

[wild dagger]

how's the boon that sends another cast with reduced damage called and who can i get it froM

[high island]

Mirage Shot. Lady Artemis and Poseidon Duo Boon.

[wild dagger]

oh cool

already got poseidon perhaps i still got the chance to find artemis

[high island]

Need a core boon from each of them to unlock it.

[wild dagger]

core boon ?

[high island]

The five slots on the left.

[wild dagger]

oooh

ye i got one then

thanks

now , should i take the double boon or the hammer

[high island]

Hammer will almost always be offered again.

Unless you're nearing the end of Elysium maybe.

[wild dagger]

nah i just started

[high island]

Can't get Duo Boons in trials btw.

[lone sable]

Duo boons are also not very common

[wild dagger]

trials are the heat rooms ?

[solar vault]

trials are the ones with two gods

the full name is 'trial of the gods'

[wild dagger]

oh i see

[lone sable]

Are thoose just the boon choice rooms?

[stone rune]

no

it's when

[lone sable]

Thats what i meant

[stone rune]

yep

i realised that

[lone sable]

Thanks tho

[stone rune]

is there a maximum number of blue shield things

what if you kite a decent chunk of savior numbskulls for like 10 minutes

[high island]

Thankfully there is, yes.

Benefits Package: capped **Savior **Perk invulnerability rate; reduced spawns from **Popper **Perk

There wasn't before this patch.

[wild dagger]

quick favor or side hustle ? dont really wanna get second wind

[latent moon]

what call do you have

[stone rune]

erm

"The mini-boss room in Tartarus has increased numbers (4 enemies instead of 2) and the chosen enemies are a random mix of Slam Dancers, Inferno Bombers, Burn Flingers, and Wave Makers, instead of 2 of the same enemy."

wavemakers??

[wild dagger]

ares

[latent moon]

oh boy

side hustle prob

ares call kinda bad

[wild dagger]

idk

[latent moon]

maybe second wind? but idk if the buff lasts through the call or only after the call

[stone rune]

is it worse than dem

[latent moon]

yeah

because you can atk during dem call

with ares you cant

[lone sable]

Wdym ares call is great

Sure you cant attack but you're invincible

And its dps is good too

[latent moon]

It's a significant drop in dps

[wild dagger]

same with poseidon one

[wild dagger]

you're still invincible

so like a time of

[latent moon]

Using the call gives you iframes when you press the button

[wild dagger]

athena is indeed better

[lone sable]

I just use the greater call

[latent moon]

Greater call is worse than small calls except for Aphrodite and Artemis lol

[latent moon]

I mean you don't need the extra invulnerable time if they're dead

If you wanted invulnerability, take Athena or even Poseidon because his let's you reposition faster

And has a higher burst hit

[wild dagger]

ye poseidon is cool

[latent moon]

I'm also pretty sure ares call opens up his t2 rift boons, and you're just clogging his pool at that point if you want a particular boon from him

[high island]

Ares' Aid with all t2 and legendary probably still does less damage than Zeus' Aid with just Double Strike or Static Discharge.

[latent moon]

What does the legendary not work for again

Ik it doesnt work properly for some rifts but don't remember

[high island]

Slicing Flare, I think?

Yeah, doesn't work on Slicing Flare.

Only gives the +2 to Ares' Aid, the others get +1.

[stone rune]

ares grater does about 2500 single if you're consistently on target

so it's like a significantly worse aph call

[solar vault]

being invulnerable is just not really helpful when your dps is locked

it's "free damage" but literally all the calls are that

[stone rune]

it's waiting like 7 seconds

for less damage than most late builds would do

or wastjng like 1.5 seconds for utterly pathetic damage

[lone sable]

How does hades's call even work

It seems like the enemies that alr saw me still see me

[gray apex]

For a lesser call it makes you invisible, when you attack you'll break the invisibility. It'll also give you Global damage and movement speed

[lone sable]

By global youu mean without the call being on?

[gray apex]

No, when you activate a lesser call you'll get a global damage buff that lasts 1.5 seconds

[lone sable]

Oh ok

Sounds kinda bad

[gray apex]

It's pretty good

A little tricky to use well, mostly used in a speedrunning context because of the damage buff

The movement speed also equates to more damage if you have Rush Delivery

[high island]

Global damage as in buffs any and all damage you do.

+100% damage for 1.5 seconds is pretty good.

[brisk trail]

why does somtimes it shows me a charon bag before i enter a chamber and its no really a charon shop its just coins?

[raw herald]

Unless it’s a bug, it shouldn’t ever do that

[brisk trail]

so what should i do? just give up the run?

well i gave up

[high island]

If that happens regularly and you have mods installed, probably ask in the Hades Modding discord for help. If you don't have mods installed, check file integrity and ask for help in #h1-tech-support.

[fiery current]

Any tips on how to get Chaos's legendary boon?

[gray apex]

Use Legacy, look for Yarns, Nectar from Eury, Favor from Chaos, you can also use Chaos' keepsake and leave your fated persuasion rolls for them

[fiery current]

thanks

[fleet barn]

Does anyone have the link to the Reddit post of all the victory screen themes you can buy?

[noble quarry]

got message my thanatos nendoroid arrived at amiami looking forward to having it in hands

[toxic trellis]

Oh nice, I thought those didn’t ship out until later in the year

[amber veldt]

after beating meg with every weapon can i get more titan blood before the two guys the bull and the other dude

[void vigil]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/House_Contractor#Theme_Gallery theyre on the wiki

[chrome heath]

Only via wretched broker, otherwise you gotta increase heat

[amber veldt]

im on my first run

[chrome heath]

And some prophecy rewards

[stone sigil]

so uh.. i just realized why dusa is just a head ☠️

after i got the dialogue

[strong steppe]

Want him so much 😭😭

[silver mica]

Apparently there's some little dialogue if you use poseidon or athena's call while dusa is there, not tried to myself

But I might try today

[noble quarry]

yup from pictures seems great will look good next to zag

also looking forward to meg in december wonder if we get more with hades 2 coming out

[brisk trail]

so does anyone else find hades holding court to be great ambient noise or is that just me?

[native blade]

Holding Court?

Erebus?

[brisk trail]

can someone explain to me why chaos shield used to be considered good but isnt anymore

[native blade]

It used to spread in a star shape from Zagreus but now it’s just in front of the shield.

Idk why they nerfed it tho @high island do you know?

[brisk trail]

i personally dont get why you would need to nerf things in a pve game

thats just me tho

[analog elbow]

Things can still be OP in single-player games which in turn would put them at an advantage when compared to other weps. They try to balance stuff to make all aspects more or less equal in power.

[brisk trail]

if everything should be equal then why does stygius still suck llmao

[analog elbow]

It didn't always work out.. but for most people I feel it's hard to say for sure oh yea, this one is op. I find people in general are torn on weps they find "op"

Because the game favors ranged combat sadly

[brisk trail]

i mean i def see why chaos aspect is weaker then the rest but i still like using it

just wasnt around for before the nerf so i was curious

[analog elbow]

There ought to be clips out there from its OP times

[brisk trail]

i mean im using zagshield with aprho attack and steamrolling rn but i might throw pos on chaos aspect just for the funnies

[analog elbow]

Ye, base shield is rly good as is, any other abilities are just a plus imo

[brisk trail]

i like how i can just go full throttle into enemies with the shield

chaos aspect adds another layer of depth to it i like

especially when i get bored of just playing chunky beo

[latent moon]

I mean they all work until a certain point

Some are gonna be better than others ofc

But it's hard to make everything equal or close to equal

[brisk trail]

the only way i really have fun with stygius is some dumb zagspect flurry slash build

or using pos aspect so i dont even really use stygius

[latent moon]

Nemesis is pretty strong as well

[brisk trail]

yea i just feel like stygius has too little defense for the way i play

its stun lock em with flurry, or sit back and cast for me

[latent moon]

With nem you just kill them lol

[brisk trail]

true

i personally just make a lot of mistakes with up close combat

unless its shield and i just

ignore damage

[lucid elk]

Cookie Clicker = Hades

Did you know that? ^ same game

Different sprites though

[brisk trail]

im over here with an arti zagrail build praying i get support fire

does it have prereq boons?

[rustic vale]

No

[brisk trail]

im just unlucky then lmao

[rustic vale]

Srry nevermind just checked I’m wrong

Prerequisites are Deadly Strike, Deadly Flourish, True Shot, Hunter Dash, Artemis' Aid, or Pressure Points

My b

Mixed up pressure points and support fire

[brisk trail]

all good

so just any main arti boon should do?

[gray apex]

Yes

[hollow granite]

Hey guys hypothetically speaking

Who would win

The unmatched power of olympus

Or extreme measures tiny vermin

[toxic trellis]

Well, if we’re now counting Apollo, he’s sometimes referred to as “God of the Mice,” but Tiny Vermin seems to be a rat

I’m giving slight edge to Tiny Vermin

[high island]

I can guess that they changed it because e.g. 9/10 times people did their first 32 Heat, it was with Chaos Aspect. One aspect being that much better can have a chokehold on variety and experimentation.

But idk if that was their reasoning.

[native blade]

Wait…

Chaos was that much better?

What about Beo?

[native blade]

It’s a fair assumption, I’m just wondering if Chaos was that oppressively good.

[high island]

The game was still in early access development, so of course they'll make balance changes during development. More powerful isn't necessarily more fun.

[native blade]

I get it tbh, a lot of people complain about stuff being too good because they think it forces them to choose that every time

I disagree personally but the game devs have to appeal to the majority.

[high island]

Top 1 for high heat was Beowulf and top 2 was Chaos imo.

[rustic vale]

opportunity cost lol

[native blade]

So… Ok now I’m pissed:

[rustic vale]

You could take that but it just wouldn’t be as good

[native blade]

Cuz now I’m pretty sure Beo is objectively the best now.

The other aspects can’t compare.

[rustic vale]

:hera

[high island]

Why? Beowulf high heat was all Charged Flight with +400% base damage. That got nerfed to +200% in the same patch. And it was nowhere near as popular.

[rustic vale]

Charged flight beo 💪💪💪💪

[high island]

We didn't even care for looking into Cast builds for high heat because Charged Flight was so broken lol.

[rustic vale]

Speedrun.com has ea speedruns right?

[high island]

Yeah.

[native blade]

Do ya think there would be a problem it they reset to star Chaos now?

[high island]

So the nerf to Beowulf was probably less to nerf the aspect and more to actually encourage exploring Cast builds on it. Which worked pretty much immediately.

[high island]

I think it's very possible we'd go back to people just recommending Chaos for 32 Heat again lol.

Was so easy and safe to play for how powerful it was.

If that's a problem or not is subjective.

[rustic vale]

Bruh

Idk if my speedrun.com is just loading wrong

[native blade]

But I’m guessing right now there’s not really an aspect or weapon that you’d designate for heat 32 huh?

[rustic vale]

But none of the categories have any runs for early access

[high island]

There's definitely a few I would recommend over others if people ask me.

[rustic vale]

Zag bow

[native blade]

SoI guess there’s more options now than if they reset Chaos?

[rustic vale]

Anyways I think my first 32 heat was done with zag sword lol

[native blade]

If so, I guess I’ll just take the L

[rustic vale]

Clearly the best aspect in the game

[stone rune]

zagsword truly sweeps at high heat

[high island]

Yeah, base skill required for the others now is higher, so it's a bit more about what you have practice with. I think the easiest for how powerful it is now for 32 is Hestia. But it's not as popular and takes some practice to get high DPS.

[native blade]

Welp, L taken.

[high island]

What was your first 52 heat done with?

[native blade]

(Still gonna find a mod to get Star Chaos tho :/ )

[stone rune]

52 heat hades

[latent moon]

there is iirc

pony made a balancing mod or something that made some stuff better

[native blade]

Hook me up.

[latent moon]

idk the name of it lol i just know it exists

[native blade]

Lel.

[latent moon]

i can look for it after i post in #h1-victory-boasting tho lol

[native blade]

Ai, I’ll find it.

Thx!!!

[latent moon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/hades/mods/108

apparently it's just the normal one they made lol

i thought it was a separate one

there's a bunch of extra stuff in there but they can be toggled off iirc

[rustic vale]

Zag bow

[high island]

The mod is mainly to allow you to change the balance easily. We messed around with some ideas like ways to buff Guan Yu that come with the mod.

[stone rune]

why do they make zagshield increase special dmg

[latent moon]

because why not

i mean i guess to encourage more use of it? idk the bad part of the special wasn't mainly the damage it was the wind up and the fact that you're vulnerable when you throw it

[high island]

Probably because the Special and so many of its hammers are so pointless.

So that's just one idea to make it useful so that maybe you wouldn't completely ignore every single Special hammer on the aspect and even weave in some Specials here and there in your rotation.

In vanilla, you could remove the Special on Zag Shield and Beowulf and no one would bat an eye.

[stone rune]

beowulf special animation

[high island]

Charged Flight changes the min charge back to normal shield throw startup.

Part of why it was so good on Beowulf when it was +400%.

It's actually still a decent build now at +200%.

[manic moat]

I want to do a charged flight artemis special beowulf build

with heart rend and eerything

but I haven't gotten charged flight in so long

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[dire tendon]

lads i got sub 8

was quite stressful

i reset the hades fight twice since i didnt have enough damage to instaphase and he kept using darkness immediately

[latent moon]

Gamer

[slender mist]

i did a run with the gun for the first time

uh

I did it

It went pretty smooth tbh

[latent moon]

Gamer

[slender mist]

HAHA

[dire tendon]

ok so i got incredibly unlucky with the well in styx, i had like 5 items going into hades and none of them buffed cast 💀 but hey the 78% damage chaos boon carried

[slender mist]

oooooo!

[native blade]

Mods? Or just goated? Honestly it could be both.

[dire tendon]

i think this is likely the last minute barrier for a while without a lot of practice in room clear

[dire tendon]

i spammed the quit button lmao

hey if it works it works

[slender mist]

the quicket time I've gotten is like

under 20

idk how y'all do it HAHA

[rustic vale]

Practice

[dire tendon]

by spamming buttons real quick

[slender mist]

okay that's fair

[dire tendon]

idk i dont have that much practice

nvm

[slender mist]

Still trying to get through hypnos' stuff so I can finally gift him ambroisa

[dire tendon]

i checked steam and ive sunk 70 hours into this game

(though i think that 20 or so is just me leaving it on)

[rustic vale]

Also learning speedrun strats, knowing how to make good builds, luck

[slender mist]

84.5 hours for me

[rustic vale]

…395

[dire tendon]

ehh thats not that bad

[latent moon]

About 370 lol

[dire tendon]

you could spend it on worse games

[slender mist]

OH NO LEGIT

[rustic vale]

And I’m still garbage

[dire tendon]

(we dont talk about my league playtime)

[slender mist]

Stardew Valley is up there

147.1 in Stardew

[sour fog]

428, need about 20 more hours and it's my most played game on steam

[rustic vale]

Haven’t got a single 40 heat clear and only one sub10 clear and I’ve kind of just… stopped playing Hades

[slender mist]

I can only play hades in bursts otherwise I stress my brain out

[dire tendon]

mine is terraria, 325 base game and 90 in the mod client

[dire tendon]

yeah i might take a break from speedrunning and try out some high heat

ive only ever done like

one 32 attempt

i cleared it, but still

[rustic vale]

I feel like I definitely have more hours in destiny 2 then in hades

[dire tendon]

not a lot of heat for ya boi

[slender mist]

I legit just need to complete a run with bow and then I've escaped with each weapon

idk why i hate it so much

just gotta figure it out

[native blade]

Because it’s too high iq for us.

[slender mist]

HAHAHA

[native blade]

What’s your main weapon?

[slender mist]

I've been using all of them

I used Shield a lot early game

just to get through the main story

and then brached out

branched*

I enjoy sword and fists a lot

[latent moon]

Dash strike charges it faster

[slender mist]

ohhhhh okok

[dire tendon]

bow? high skill?

[latent moon]

So just dash strike always

[dire tendon]

idk if we're talking about the same weapon here

[slender mist]

i think it's the click release thing

[dire tendon]

i have been mashing buttons and winning

[slender mist]

i'm used to quick clicks and holding down the left click

[latent moon]

Bow is a rhythm game

[slender mist]

HAHA

[dire tendon]

hera :)

[native blade]

Yep, same. Low iq gaming.

[rustic vale]

Lmao just checked 594 hours

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[dire tendon]

damn

[slender mist]

HAHAHA

honestly my brain is like hypnos

just

:]

[native blade]

Same.

[rustic vale]

Almost exactly 50% more time then spent on hades

[slender mist]

wow!

[rustic vale]

Bow is literally just dstrike rhythm and every so often short charge to kill low hp enemies

[slender mist]

i utilize my dash a lot with it

[dire tendon]

imo chiron is probably the best aspect to learn bow

since you dont have to worry about the charge too much

[slender mist]

ooo ok

I've completed all the major story stuff so now I'm just

[stone rune]

but then you're not worrying about the charge

[rustic vale]

It’s probably the worst aspect to learn because you don’t focus on the strike lol

[slender mist]

completing other story things

[rustic vale]

every other better bow aspect uses the strike

[latent moon]

Hera is probably better because it makes your shots count

[rustic vale]

Zag, hera and rama

[stone rune]

zag has just the core mechanics

[dire tendon]

thats true but to get used to it

it helps

[rustic vale]

Zag bow is prolly the best because it’s literally all you are doing

[stone rune]

zag is also super duper fun

[latent moon]

True

[rustic vale]

You only need 2 buttons for zag bow
Strike and dash

[slender mist]

oh also, my brain is stuck on one of the songs Orpheus sings

and

aAAAA

[dire tendon]

idk to be honest i don't really like bow core mechanics despite maining Hera

ironically

[stone rune]

at that rate just use hestia

[dire tendon]

the unmodified special just feels clunky

[native blade]

Lament of Orpheus type beat.

[slender mist]

YEP

[latent moon]

Do you use flurry on Hera lol

[stone rune]

you're not supposed to special

[slender mist]

THATS IT

[stone rune]

why would you special on hera

[slender mist]

Spot on

[dire tendon]

yeah lol

i don tspecial

[slender mist]

I can, somehow, hit the high notes

it hurts a bit

[dire tendon]

i just like integrating all parts of the kit into a weapon

[slender mist]

so

[dire tendon]

thats my jam

[stone rune]

dont use shield then

[latent moon]

Use rama then

[dire tendon]

yeah ive been thinking of trying that out

ill give it a run

is it very blood dependent?

[latent moon]

Yes and no?

[rustic vale]

Rama isn’t blood dependent

It’s good at base and gets better with blood

[stone rune]

at low you can funny q hold

[rustic vale]

Like zeus

[dire tendon]

oh thats good, i'll get it to level 3 for now then

[latent moon]

3 is fine yeah

[rustic vale]

The levels make it better but it’s completely set without them

[high island]

Situationally to finish off an enemy when point-blank attack with all casts wasn't enough and you don't have Tidal Dash to kill them off.

I think I do it most often to finish off Doomstone.

[native blade]

Same, that’s why I like Fists a lot.

[high island]

Point-blank Special immediately after an Attack starts up faster and does more damage than another Attack. The long recovery is usually the reason it's lower DPS anyway, but in some situations that's not relevant.

[brisk trail]

dont you love when a build you thought was good just crumbles

[native blade]

Elaborate.

[brisk trail]

i put as much crit on zag rail as a icould

and still ended doing no damage

[latent moon]

Did you have deadly strike

[stone rune]

thats cause its zag rail

[latent moon]

And spread fire

[brisk trail]

i had flurry fire sadly

[rustic vale]

If you’re doing artemis strike zag rail you need spreadfire to make to work

[latent moon]

If you didn't have spread fire but had deadly strike that's why you did no damage

Yeah makes sense

[rustic vale]

I was gonna say that earlier when you were asking about support fire but uh I thought twice about unsolicited advice

[native blade]

…

Oh.. Oh no….

[stone rune]

what does the more accurate mean in flurry fire

[native blade]

I’ve felt your pain before…

[rustic vale]

To my knowledge, nothing

[high island]

Less spread.

[rustic vale]

Does regular strike even have spread?

[native blade]

Ye.

[stone rune]

yeah thats what i mean

[high island]

Yes. It's very minor.

[stone rune]

does it ever become important in the range that the rail can shoot

[high island]

Might matter more without auto-aim idk.

[stone rune]

i think it could be worse if it also makes the area that locks on smaller

[rustic vale]

If only spreadfire, flurry fire and delta chamber were all compatible 🏢🚀

[stone rune]

i say again, twinple shot should be allowed

[latent moon]

Hazard clockets

[stone rune]

imagine the self damage