h1-discussion

[analog elbow]

It will, just visit them more than once per run

[hollow granite]

I visit chaos gates thrice at least

[tired karma]

Wouldn't Nyx+Chaos duo dunk on Olympus themselves

[hollow granite]

Nope

Chaos can't even leave their realm lole

[tired karma]

Zag can also beat peak Hades who is in the same league as Zeus

Zeus/Hades/Poseidon >>> all other Olympian Gods by a decent margin
Except for Demeter

[brisk trail]

Nyx might do something but chaos sure as hell isn’t

Lazy ass

[hollow granite]

No way zeus is same league as hades

And zagreus beats him with olympians' boons

I don't think they gonna bless him against themselves

[tired karma]

The three brothers always portrayed as around the same level

Zagreus can beat him with no boons

[hollow granite]

Even if so

Its 1v1

[tired karma]

Nyx also has her Fate daughters

[hollow granite]

While there's 9 gods now to fight

[hollow granite]

She cant just tell them to "say thay we win"

[tired karma]

Hades and Zag can take care of Zeus and Poseidon

Nyx can beat Demeter
And other Gods are less significant
Except for Hermes who will be taken out by Charon

[hollow granite]

No way Charon takes out hermes

Hermes bored a titan to death and cut his head

[tired karma]

Could be a weak titan

There's a difference between someone like Kronos and some random joe titan

[hollow granite]

Still a titan??

How many of those charon beat

[tired karma]

Thanatos actually counters Hermes easily with stopping time

[hollow granite]

Won't he counter literally everyone then

[calm saddle]

shield is so busted

literally can block basically all of Hades attack

[hollow granite]

It is

[calm saddle]

practically a cheese.

[hollow granite]

Spam bull rush to win

[calm saddle]

and when you have that upgrade where the shield fires a piercing shot

it's more busted

[tired karma]

Shield makes first escape much easier
Idk why people struggle

[analog elbow]

It's funny that you can play it like a bow if you get the right hammers lol

Because people may not enjoy or know how to play the shield, Deka

[hollow granite]

Okay you know what deka person

Zag solos olympus with beowulf shield

[calm saddle]

ngl

Hades' powers

[analog elbow]

Just block everything, ez

[calm saddle]

are actually so

weak

he doesn't deserve the god of the dead

title

he ain't strong enough

in the game.

[tired karma]

His lasers are weak as hell
Can't even damage stone pillars

[hollow granite]

Tbh

I think he's not in prime

I think on some level he wants zag to see his mother

[tired karma]

These stone pillars actually undermine the powers a lot

Theseus can't even break a stone pillar with his strongest throws

[calm saddle]

I don't think

we're ever gonna

see any god

in Hades I or II or however

many in their prime

likke it's a videogame so unless there's a cool cutscene

nah.

[hollow granite]

I think zag is in his prime though?

[tired karma]

But maybe they made from vibranium or something
Because even rockets and other explosions don't damage them

Zag is only unlocking his true potential

[hollow granite]

So does this mean asterius > hades

Because he breaks pillars

[tired karma]

Yes

[hollow granite]

Common asterius W

[tired karma]

Asterius > Hades/Zeus

[calm saddle]

it's so funny that Zag's father is god of the dead, his mother is god of springtime or whatever and his sister is the personification of nightmares

[hollow granite]

Y'know

[calm saddle]

and Zag has no powers

😭

[hollow granite]

Thinking about it

Olympus def wins the war

[tired karma]

He is the God of blood

[hollow granite]

Because they can be anywhere

And hades can't even leave the underworld

[calm saddle]

how so

[tired karma]

His pew pew blood cast is his power

[calm saddle]

are you talking about casts?

yeah but

still he doesn't have a title

[hollow granite]

Yet

No?

[calm saddle]

nah

he ain't getting one

unless there's a title called "dying 200 times"

[tired karma]

Achilles said that Zag could be the God of life

So maybe he can lift his own curse

[calm saddle]

when he kills the fates kratos style and lifts the curse >>>>

[tired karma]

Maybe he lifts the curse from Melinoe

[calm saddle]

yeah why does

Zag have it

but not Melinoe

that's weird.

[hollow granite]

Why are you so sure she doesn't

[tired karma]

Could be what I said or it's related to her ghost hand
She sacrifices her soul or something to stay outside

[calm saddle]

cause

in the trailer

she's legit

under the moon

[hollow granite]

It might be underworld

[calm saddle]

fighting.

yeah but the

descrription says

[tired karma]

Underworld has moon?

[calm saddle]

fight BEYOND the underworld

[hollow granite]

Yes who knows

[calm saddle]

huh

[hollow granite]

Oh okay

[calm saddle]

btw I have beaten hades like 5 times I'm not at the end of the game rn

[tired karma]

It doesn't
The only outside part related to the underworld is that small area in hades boss fight

[calm saddle]

what doesn't

[tired karma]

You need 5 more for the first half of the story
And then a lot more for the epilogue

[calm saddle]

I'll gradually get

100% trophies

anyways

is early access coming this year

or getting announced this year

[hollow granite]

Anyway i think my game is bugged

I gave dusa 4 bottles, filled bond thingy

And then nothing happened

[void vigil]

its intended

[hollow granite]

For past 30 runs

She doesn't say any dialogues now

At this point i might just die in 1st room until something happens

[void vigil]

oh.. 30 runs.... if you think its bugged you could message in #h1-tech-support

dusa bond is a bit troublesome sometimes like that though

[hollow granite]

Because of that aphrodite is locked

Then there's also partoclus that just cries in his corner

And doesn't say "go let us see each other"

[calm saddle]

i hate how

you have to

beat runs to

get dialogue

like especially Thanatos

I can't find him in the house

ever

[void vigil]

you have to encounter him in a run to find him in the house, not necessarily beat a run

but the way to progress the game is win, naturally - ive seen more people complain that some dialogue (mostly hypnos') is locked behind dying

[gloomy trail]

What's the average heat one can go upto by the time they reach 100 runs

[lone sable]

well i reached 20 heat and i have ~60 runs

[hollow granite]

Yes i literally beat the game already and hypnos is still locked behind dialogues

He talked to nyx, dusa, thanatos and hades

Idk how many more deaths till he unlocks bonding

[tired karma]

This game goes on forever
It can't be beaten

[hollow granite]

It can be completed though

[lone sable]

depends on your definition of beat

reach credits? possible

[hollow granite]

Max mirror, trinkets, codex, bonds, weapons and prophecies

[lone sable]

get the underworld to be inescapable? nah not possible

[tired karma]

Finish all side stories and beat 64 heat

[void vigil]

hypnos' bond has to do with conversations with than so its a long one to unlock

i would not count beating 64 heat in anyones definition of 100%ing the game lol

finishing all bounties maybe

but literally no one has done it, so

[hollow granite]

No one beat 64 heat yet?

[tired karma]

Beating all content is 100%ing for me

[tired karma]

Only with mods

[raw herald]

Not unseeded

[raw herald]

The only 64 heat clears have been unmodded actually

Modded != seeded

[tired karma]

Why not
You manipulate the game technically

[hollow granite]

I mean you probably need to have perfect rng for 64 heat

[raw herald]

It’s not using a mod tho

It’s in the base game

Rng manips are in the base game

[hollow granite]

Would you say that entering seed in minecraft is like modding it

Its a vanilla option

[tired karma]

So you can say the same about speedrun mods
2 room for sack is in base game
Mod just manips the chance

[hollow granite]

Are speedrun mods in the base game

Or do you download them separately

[tired karma]

Download
Same for seeds

[hollow granite]

Didn't know you need to download seeds

Then yea its both modding category

[raw herald]

Loading saves is in the base game too

[analog elbow]

Isn't modding considered anything that messes with playing the game in another way than intended?

[old dawn]

it's basically changing the original product in any way

being in line with intention or not is irrelevant

[analog elbow]

that makes sense

[calm saddle]

does 100% achievements = doing everything in the game?

[analog elbow]

no

It's less than doing everything in the game actually heh

[calm saddle]

ok

I was

just confirming

[brisk trail]

what god goes best with guan yu special

[calm saddle]

how do I get like diamond and stuff liek that

for lernie etc

again

i forgot

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite.

[proud lodge]

The broker in the house

[tired karma]

Basically this game can entertain you for a long time
Even after 100%ing it

In achievements

[native blade]

Don’t know tbh but aphro?

Wait no!

[chrome heath]

If feeling lucky, Athena for Merciful end

[native blade]

Pos

[hexed frigate]

What’s everyone’s favorite challenge run to do or you have seen?

[native blade]

Vorime Hades fight no hit

[hexed frigate]

I’m going to have to look that up. I saw Haelian do a not hit run but that’s about it. That was insane to watch (I saw it live too!!)

[analog elbow]

Boonless / Mirrorless are pretty fun

[raw herald]

Vorime recently beat c2 hades

Where you fight hades in the second chamber of a fresh file

No boons, mirror, nothing

Level 1 zag sword

[hexed frigate]

That is insane

[hexed frigate]

I need to do this still!

[toxic trellis]

I gotta do a fresh file run one of these days

[raw herald]

It’s hard as hell

[toxic trellis]

Muscle memory of fists, double dash, and everything else would probably screw me over

[hexed frigate]

I tried one of those recently. I got to Theseus and didn’t live lol

But I did beat hades after 9 tries 😂

[native blade]

It should be a pretty interesting one if you find the one I mean lol.

[hexed frigate]

Not as impressive but I felt pretty good about it

[native blade]

That’s the one lol

[toxic trellis]

Hey, anything under 10 is still impressive in my eyes

[native blade]

Can vouch, Hell Mode miniboss screwed me.

[hexed frigate]

Well thank you! I have like 100 hours on the switch but had to start a new save on pc for content creation stuff. It was interesting seeing how difficult it was to restart. You get so used to the perks of meta progression

Now I’m curious what weapons work best on boonless runs. My assumption would be aspect of Arthur would be pretty good

[native blade]

Right?

Shield without doubt

[vital spade]

Haydeez

[hexed frigate]

Shield would be good. I’d have to remember to actually block with it 😂

[native blade]

Would spear be able to hold on?

[hexed frigate]

With certain hammers I think it could do okay

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhhh-gif-24550048

[vital spade]

Spear bad pick a good weapon noob

[native blade]

Lel.

[native blade]

Spear is the weapon everyone goes to before they pick their favourite weapon.

[vital spade]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/draw4-block-no-u-gif-25211675

[wary mural]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-exodia-gif-7604005

you fool my making me draw 4 i got exodia

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-yugi-cringe-detected-mirror-force-gif-24005157

[wary mural]

thats only activates on an attack and im using an effect

[native blade]

:(

[wary mural]

now

EXODIA OBLITERATE

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-obliterate-explosion-anime-gif-17907215

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-death-decay-withering-erosion-gif-25794105

[wary mural]

Gg

[rustic vale]

That is impressive

[void vigil]

please refrain from filling the channel with gifs as it drowns the actual hades discussion, also as to what started it, keep in mind rule 1 please

[calm saddle]

can you

can you

make love with meg

only once

[tired karma]

She's too busy with me

[waxen garnet]

That feeling when you get an Enshrouded Chaos boon two rooms before the Furies.

[icy knoll]

hestia is generally seen as the best, but all weapons with big strong hits are good
so hestia, rama, arthur are the best

[latent moon]

Nemesis could work lmao

[icy knoll]

it works too

[native blade]

So spear’s just not the pick lol

[latent moon]

For boonless not really

Well maybe Achilles

[gray apex]

be a guan yu gamer

do it

[latent moon]

Or guan Yu

[gray apex]

Guan yu is a walk in the park until you get to heroes

[vital spade]

Don’t listen to this kids, this is what we call a “bad influence”

[rustic vale]

Lies

[native blade]

Bad Influence is so good tho.

[native blade]

Lel.

[vital spade]

Guan yu is a gateway drug

[native blade]

Oooooh, why?

[native blade]

Dionysus takes offense to that.

[rustic vale]

Because it already has big +% ig

[stone rune]

stock cast would be 125 with achilles boost

[native blade]

Oh?

Ig I don’t really understand +% but wouldn’t Hadespect be a good choice too then?

[stone rune]

+150% +60%

[rustic vale]

Hades doesn’t do it well

Having to spin first is so much time compared to just specialing

[native blade]

Ah, gotcha.

[stone rune]

even if ur just attacking wouldnt it still be like a short little qq for a 2.5x damage boost on everything you do vs an annoying thing for a 1.6x damage boost on the enemies you get in the spin

[rustic vale]

uh

Hades spin and achilles are the same attack boost thou

The one thing Hades would have over achilles for boonless is being able to grab exploding launcher and charged skewer for massive damage from +150% on a 50-150 base damage special

[lone sable]

does the sigil of the dead stop you from getting other calls?

[raw herald]

Yes

[lone sable]

why do i still have greenleaf i joined like 5 days ago

[lone sable]

i meant get them in the reward list

[raw herald]

Not sure what you mean

If you equip sigil, you won’t be offered call boons in the run unless you take it off

[lone sable]

thanks

wait can you use it during the hades fight?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[mint coral]

Be sure is full charge for the funny dialogues

[lone sable]

i can only imagine
"HADES!"
"im literally right here fighting you to death"

[mint coral]

Spot on tbh

[rustic vale]

“Hades”
“Son”

[mint coral]

Hades!
Im right here boy

[lone sable]

imma just use it while still on the low heat bounties for the funny

[woeful finch]

"Father!" "Boy!"

[native blade]

Love it.

We really need a Kratos mod for Hades, it’d be so funny.

[tall trench]

What are the mods people generally use for practice/speedrunning? Thinking of switching over to PC. Is there a pin?

[high island]

Scroll down for speedrun modpack 1.2.0. https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources

[tall trench]

Thank ye kindly

[latent moon]

Well you wouldn't cast tbh

[opal relic]

nyx>>>>artemis

[latent moon]

But base atk is gonna be 150% from raging rush and then another 100% from shackle

[brisk trail]

throwing more high heat runs yippee

[opal relic]

im still stuck in the second layer

[lone sable]

if you didnt beat the final boss yet then #h1-for-new-players is prob better for you

[opal relic]

no

i know a lot about the game

[latent moon]

[lone sable]

ok ig your choice

[opal relic]

1-athena's dash is broken

[latent moon]

Idk man as

@brisk trail

[opal relic]

sheild is broken

[lone sable]

weapons are playstyle dependent

[latent moon]

Well those things don't mean you know alot about the story

#h1-for-new-players is for people who haven't finished the main story yet

[opal relic]

sheild + athena's dash = im freaking invincible

[native blade]

Just because you’re right doesn’t mean I don’t hate you.

[lone sable]

more so for people who barelly started and dont know anything of the story

[lone sable]

laughs in cerberus

[opal relic]

that was funny tho

[native blade]

Lel.

[native blade]

Cerberus is best boi (but he’s also only boi.)

[opal relic]

dionysis has some of the best lines in the game and ur just like him fr

[lone sable]

cerberus is both best boy and best girl

[opal relic]

noooo 😭

his gift is good when you suck ahh at the game

[lone sable]

i never used his gift

[opal relic]

nyx is still the best

[opal relic]

25% i think more health

[lone sable]

isnt it 25 flat health

[opal relic]

wiki time

[native blade]

Thanks, I try.

[opal relic]

yea flat

[latent moon]

There's still spoiler stuff after the first few wins

After getting credits is when I'd say is safe to leave #h1-for-new-players

[opal relic]

• the best boons in the game heh

[latent moon]

But to each their own

[native blade]

Hehe, true.

[native blade]

Ngl, I was just like this guy when I first came.

I just don’t care about spoilers.

[void vigil]

@native blade please dont evade the swear filter, and keep it clean

[latent moon]

I mean that's fine some people don't play the game for the story lol

[native blade]

Yeah… sorry, thought censoring it was cool.

[latent moon]

Bigp never reached the credits and had a wr for about a day

[opal relic]

dang

[native blade]

Ain’t tryna be a bother.

[opal relic]

i think that the witch from hades 2 is either nyx or the shop keeper

forgot her name

[void vigil]

its hecate

[opal relic]

charnos

same

nyx is just like me

has mommy issues

[native blade]

More like Origin of all existence issues

[silver mica]

GUYS I FINALLY DID IT

I GOT THAT ZEUS/DEMETER/DIONYSIUS CAST MONSTROSITY

Only took me about a million tries

[native blade]

Wait what?

You mean Ice Wine and Smoldering Fog?

[silver mica]

I got both ice wine and scintillating feast

Now I just have to

Not die lmfao

[native blade]

Ohhhhh

[native blade]

Niiiice

[silver mica]

And then if I do it I'll post it in victory channel hopefully lmfao

[brisk trail]

how crazy would yall think i was if i was doing chiron with ares attack and dio special

[stone rune]

is there a unified set of boonless rules

[silver mica]

I gotta overworld fishing point :DD

Bass :)

[prisma wind]

I believe the generally accepted rules are you must sell boons whenever possible, and if you have a boon because you're forced to take it then you must not benefit from it (can't make use of it)

[high island]

You don't have to purge the boons. But you may not benefit from any boon in your run.

Purging just kinda helps with that.

[analog elbow]

That works very well actually, try using Privileged Status with it

[brisk trail]

i just tapped m2 and watched the world burn

sadly now dark thirst has me running stygius

[stone rune]

stygius stays on top

[analog elbow]

You could run the same build

[high island]

Yeah, Curse of Agony isn't BiS on Chiron with Drunken Flourish, but it's a decent option you can take since it both enables Privileged Status and opens up Curse of Nausea.

[brisk trail]

yea but im just tryna go ahead and max out my mirror so im running dark thirst

[high island]

BiS would be Heartbreak Strike.

[analog elbow]

I meant the same doom/hangover build, but on stygius

[brisk trail]

oh, im dumb lmao

[stone rune]

xestija shackle

[brisk trail]

i just keep forgetting summons exist

[stone rune]

how many encounters can you get in a run

[native blade]

Currently what's getting me killed, lol.

[gray apex]

71 maybe

[latent moon]

someone here got 80 iirc

here

[gray apex]

dang

I cant even count that high

[latent moon]

same

[last mauve]

Ive been really unlucky lately i havent beaten hades in like 10 runs and have only got to him in like 2

[latent moon]

it do be like that sometimes

[last mauve]

Idk why im skill issuing so much lately

Like ill have great runs then just loose all three/four of my revives to heros fight

[brisk trail]

same i just lost my streak

[analog elbow]

It's a tough build check

You also have to pay attention to many things at once

[brisk trail]

wow non-em lernie looks huge now

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1067545302132863016/IMG_2845.jpg

Omg Hades Fortnite crossover

[latent moon]

Omg

Fortnite crossover

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586685090474491914/1067548161461194762/image.png

goofy ahh run

[analog elbow]

This one's for #h1-victory-boasting tho

[brisk trail]

how so

[analog elbow]

It's a place especially made for us to share our victories

[brisk trail]

wouldnt say im boasting

more amazed at how i beat a run that stupid

[high island]

It's not necessary for boasting lol, it's just the channel for us to share our victory screens.

[analog elbow]

Doesn't seem like a bad build tho, you got some synergies going and you won! So ggs!

[high island]

Lightning Strike, epic Static Discharge.

[raw herald]

RD zag sword

[high island]

You'd want the poms more on Static Discharge than Lightning Strike to get better DPS.

[analog elbow]

Flurry slash tho

[native blade]

With Eurydice's food, when do you pick higher rarity now and higher rarity later?

[rustic vale]

Later 29/30 times

The 30th time is when you already have rd or greatest reflex by eurydice

[high island]

I would suggest just picking Refreshing Nectar 10/10 times, and eventually you reach a point when you can tell for yourself why one of the other options would be better.

[stone rune]

does chaos count for boonless

[rustic vale]

For boonless dialogue, it doesn’t count
For the category it does iirc

[stone rune]

there's a category? i didn't find it on the website

[rustic vale]

It’s not a speedrun category

It’s a community thing

I don’t know how to explain it though

[analog elbow]

friendly unofficial competition?

[calm saddle]

is Heracles not an olympian god?

[stone rune]

im pretty sure hes a god but not an olympian

[analog elbow]

He's a spawn of Zeus

[stone rune]

he became immortal after he died or something

but he is not of the 12/13 olympians

omg stop offering me cores

[calm saddle]

no but

when Zag talked about him to Hades

he said he’s just a hero whose character is bad that’s why Thesus fights him and not other heroes

it sounds like he’s not a god

idk

[rustic vale]

No he’s not an olympian

[calm saddle]

yes but he’s never referred by either Zag or Hades as a god

[rustic vale]

He isn’t made a god in every variation of the myths either

[analog elbow]

He's mentioned in game by several means, and I get the impression that he's a shade in this universe.

[calm saddle]

Heracles and Hercules are the same right?

[analog elbow]

ye

[rustic vale]

The difference is roman spelling

[calm saddle]

yeah that’s what i’m saying

[stone rune]

even accounts of the olympians vary

[calm saddle]

which sucks cause really wanted to see him

[stone rune]

aphrodite's parentage is different from hesiod to homer

[calm saddle]

as the god of strength

[stone rune]

who possibly were even contemporaries

[rustic vale]

actually I think the one of the myths that make him a god does mention him getting split in 2 when made a god

[calm saddle]

I wish we see Cratos as the god of strength or strength incarnate

in Hades II

[rustic vale]

And the human part of him went to Hades

[analog elbow]

We may yet still! Like we have seen Achilles! And with the all-hands-on-deck feel the sequel has, who knows!

[calm saddle]

true but even if he’s a god he’s 100% dead so

[stone rune]

god

ive come to every single boss with a cast boon

rip +50% dmg

[high island]

It's a category on the high heat leaderboard. Leaderboard is pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[analog elbow]

How would you portray strength as a mechanic in game tho? For me that is represented in Poseidon's knockback.

[tired karma]

changing reload button from R to second mouse side button for Hestia is a game changer
suddenly it became super fun for me
this weapon is op for high heat

[stone rune]

wow

i overestimated the difficulty of boonless

on low heat at least

[analog elbow]

It's a fun challenge

Did you pick up any poms? heh

[brisk trail]

bros pfp is wilding

how do I grind to get themes btw

[rustic vale]

Beeeeeeeeg +%

[latent moon]

Base 100% common

[rustic vale]

150% for flourish

Literally just base cast but bigger hitbox and 150 base damage w/ good pom scaling

[latent moon]

Trippy flare pom bug type of pom scaling

[analog elbow]

Downside? Your newly bulging muscles slow you down and cut your dash and movespeed by 50%

[latent moon]

Oh that sounds horrible

[rustic vale]

Nope

Strong dash

Makes your dash range longer

[latent moon]

Isn't kratos not slow tho

Like homies fast is he not

[stone rune]

bugged to actually double both

[tired karma]

kratos is very slow in new games

[tall trench]

Can you get legendaries and duos on a first file run? Should be a yeah just no talents so rarer to see?

[sour fog]

You can

but god pool is limited on first run

so only athena ares artemis and dio

[tall trench]

oh nice, that's good to know, thank you

[sour fog]

I tried to do it like dozens of times but eventually just gave up

[tall trench]

I'm guessing no chaos? Is there even special dialogue lol

[sour fog]

no chaos

[tall trench]

I thought I just lucked into athena/ares and figured ME might happen

[rustic vale]

Yes

[high island]

You can find some fresh file guides here: https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/1i726

[sour fog]

ME is pretty much what you have to do, without it your dps is very low

[tall trench]

nice, thanks

[tall trench]

yeah I figured if it did happen it might carry the damage should work

I wanna hear funny dad talk

[sour fog]

I made it to him few times but at that point I had so little HP he would kill me in like two hits, 50 HP is too ruthless for me

with almost no healing

[tall trench]

yeah, the low hp + lack of even cthonic healing, I was taking chip damage in tartarus and it hurt

[sour fog]

yeah

[tall trench]

me as I enter asphodel with 22 hp

gets after party

[toxic trellis]

This string of messages without PFPs is starting to startle me

[tall trench]

lernie is an unkind thing
way she goes

[rustic vale]

They have a pfp wdym

[native blade]

I just found out recently but I do wish they kept most of the old names for the pact of punishment.

They were clearly trying to be more thematic.

[native blade]

@deep scroll I was wondering cuz it seemed like you were saying it was more difficult in general.

[deep scroll]

Ah, no, some people like the spear but it's just not for me

[native blade]

That’s fine, I don’t want to seem like I’m gatekeeping.

It’s just really interesting because spear is a pretty universal weapon.

Even formed a theory on it.

[native blade]

Is there a specific reason why?

[high island]

Spear needs Tidal Dash start or Merciful End for good DPS.

Although with Achilles at 32, you can just do a Cast build and have an easy run.

[deep scroll]

Hard to get some good DPS imo so I end up playing too aggressive in a lot of spear runs

[native blade]

Ahhhhh.

[native blade]

I thought Flurry slash was spear’s cope pick.

[deep scroll]

Going from Tidal Dash to Divine dash is what helped me finish it less DPS but also less damage from enemies

[high island]

Hmm? Flurry Jab isn't cope, it's the best hammer.

Cope is something you settle for that's still kinda good enough but far from what you actually wanted.

[native blade]

Well Ig I think cope means the thing that makes a bad thing useful.

[native blade]

Ah, fair.

[high island]

Yeah, that's kinda the thing. You end up having to pick between DPS or Divine Dash.

Well, can go for Merciful End, but that can be a slow start.

[worn crag]

sooo

im new here

everyone thinks arthurs sword is busted as heck right

[native blade]

Low heat, yeah.

[worn crag]

huh

is 10 heat low

[native blade]

Yeah

[worn crag]

oh

ive only been playing for 100 hours sorry 😞

lol

[native blade]

Nah, you’re fine! I didn’t mean it man

What were u gonna say?

[worn crag]

((((i use whatever weapon the purple fire is on))))

[native blade]

Lel.

[worn crag]

nah i was kidding too lol

thats all i was going to say

actually

[native blade]

A Dark Thirst Apostle.

[native blade]

Lel.

[worn crag]

i dont even need it anymore

[native blade]

You should join the reddit.

[worn crag]

i just use it anyway

[native blade]

late game is a good thing to save darkness for.

[worn crag]

i got addicted to reddit and i deleted it cause it was like runining my life lol

[native blade]

Fair.

[worn crag]

so whats really good high heat

is it the shield

[stone rune]

HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[native blade]

HERA

[worn crag]

they aint even in the game yet

[native blade]

Lel

[high island]

Shield, bow, rail.

[native blade]

Also yes.

[worn crag]

u dont even know what they be looking like

[high island]

Excalibur is still one of the easiest for 32 Heat.

[worn crag]

the shield stops being cringe???

i like using the aspect of zeus

[native blade]

They be looking mad sexy on my weapons.

[high island]

It's never cringe lol you probably just don't know how to build it.

[native blade]

^

[high island]

Shield kinda hard to figure out how to get good damage with.

[worn crag]

the special on the shield seems hard to work with

what can i do

[stone rune]

arthur FO?

[native blade]

Zeus? No wonder it’s cringe (obligatory Zeus hate)

[high island]

What can you do about it?

Simple.

[mint coral]

Arthur do be chill

[stone rune]

pretend it's not there if you're not dzeus

[high island]

Just literally don't press that button.

[mint coral]

Fo0 moment

[high island]

Unless it's Zeus lol.

[worn crag]

i have literally never used any bow other than chiron

[native blade]

Put status effects on it I think.

[native blade]

Lel.

[stone rune]

not worth

[high island]

Even Chaos Aspect is better a lot of the time without using the Special.

[native blade]

Damn, Chaos Shield getting mad shade lol.

[stone rune]

chaos is just unaspected

[native blade]

BRUH

[native blade]

Pfft.

[high island]

Ain't my fault they nerfed Chaos Aspect so hard it's suboptimal to actually use its gimmick.

[mint coral]

Chaos is cool but their shield is

[native blade]

Isn’t the one thing it does based on special?

[stone rune]

and it's still bad

[native blade]

I resent this, Chaos is my favourite shield bar Beo.

[stone rune]

whwat

i mean first off zagshield wipes

[native blade]

[mint coral]

The best thing of chaos shield is Chaos just decidibg to talk to you sometimes

[high island]

Indeed. And it's more effective to not use the Special. Hence why people call it "base shield" or "aspectless".

Can still be fun to lean into the Special, don't get me wrong.

[worn crag]

tell me yall at least unanimously think the fists are bad right

[native blade]

Aye, I said favourite, not strongest.

Don’t get it twisted.

[stone rune]

well present company excluded yes

[native blade]

…

Why?

[stone rune]

zagshield wipes as in fun

[worn crag]

ok bad is a strong word

[native blade]

What did I ever do to u?

[carmine wraith]

demeter fists are fun

[high island]

Melee just has it the worst in Hades lol.

[stone rune]

and fists is the most melee you've ever meleed

[worn crag]

fists were my least favorite cause like
u have to hug ur enemy to do dmg to them and its just risky yk

[native blade]

It just has good stats rii? It doesn’t do anything visually?

[stone rune]

wdym

[native blade]

The risk is the reward.

[stone rune]

it's literally just more fun chaos

[high island]

Malphon is super easy to figure out how to play, though. So it can be great for casual.

[stone rune]

because chaos is lvl0 zagshield while zagshield is lvl5 zagshield

[mint coral]

Of all the weapons in hades, fists are certainly one of them

I still like them

[worn crag]

ok sure

[native blade]

Lel

[worn crag]

i noticed that too lmao

[mint coral]

Charged uppercut/hadouken is fun

[worn crag]

ya

[high island]

Well, still a good amount of room for optimization, of course; but the baseline DPS you can get from Malphon as a new player just from playing it intuitively is pretty good.

[stone rune]

demeter players when i get to do a ranged charged uppercut every hit on hestia:

[native blade]

Lel, those are funny. Rush Kick is my soul pick tho.

[native blade]

Pfffffffft

[mint coral]

Now we should go back in time to fix maim

[worn crag]

literally what? is this like a mod?

[mint coral]

And dash strike base dmg

[stone rune]

no it just does the same damage ish

[native blade]

Maim’s fine (just use god mode lol)

[high island]

I mean I did try, they did not listen.

[mint coral]

o7 good try

[high island]

Actually, they did listen to a lot of my Gilgamesh feedback.

[worn crag]

oh mein gott that does 150 damage????

[native blade]

What would u do to fix maim?

[native blade]

Rly?

[stone rune]

hestia does 150 on a front hit yeah

base

[worn crag]

make it deal a million bajillion damage

[mint coral]

Not giving enemies 2.5 levels of hard labor in first place

[stone rune]

did you ever give any khaos feedback

[high island]

Would be a lot worse if it was still like it was originally.

[native blade]

Gilga- you get hit you die, you hit anything you win the game.

[mint coral]

Wait you tell me it was worse?

[worn crag]

actually could be fun aside from bosses

[native blade]

I need to hear OG gilga.

[stone rune]

gilga-you get hit you die, you hit anything you do like 50 damage

[mint coral]

Like old rama lvls or worse

[worn crag]

i did not like rama

[high island]

lol old Rama was way better, that aspect was actually pretty good. Even if the Power Shots charged so slow you never used them.

[worn crag]

like yeah it does more damage but like
do i really gotta stand still that long though

[native blade]

But then it wouldn’t be fair lol.

[worn crag]

kinda risky ngl

[stone rune]

you dont if you release

[worn crag]

but i gotta

[native blade]

What were the specs on old Hilga

[stone rune]

its not like you power shot every time

[mint coral]

Its buff is just high confidence/max fam fav tho

[worn crag]

i restart the run if i miss 1 powershot with any bow weapon

[stone rune]

oh

i see

[native blade]

This man gets it.

[stone rune]

well it wouldn't be a miss

it would be an intentional release

a miss is when you're trying to powershot and fail

[worn crag]

i didnt even consider that btw lmao

quick question. what does hard labor do? i put it on max across all my runs but it doesnt seem to do anything whatsoever... is it bugged?

[stone rune]

more damage

[native blade]

I’d argue it’s Privileged Status/Hard Labour tbh.

[stone rune]

taken

[mint coral]

?

[worn crag]

i dont take damage though

ever

[stone rune]

so real

[native blade]

Lel.

[stone rune]

just like me

[native blade]

You deal more damage but get damaged more.

[mint coral]

I mean in terms of how strong the buff is lol

[native blade]

Imagine not taking damage.

[mint coral]

Is just 25%

And theb you have eris

[native blade]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-22055472

[mint coral]

But i think that speaks more of eris than gilga lol

[native blade]

I stand by what I said.

[mint coral]

Funny 75% global from just shooting your special

[worn crag]

idk if my opinion is wrong but dionysus's attack and special boons dont seem amazing to me

[native blade]

Do you take them together?

[worn crag]

no

[stone rune]

depends on what you put them on

you're using arthur right

that is an awful idea for arthur

[native blade]

Oh damn.

[worn crag]

what must i do

[stone rune]

use them on fast attack weapons

[worn crag]

i use what the purple fire thingy tells me to

[native blade]

Either get Privileged Status, or just abandon Dio for atk/special.

[mint coral]

Use fast weapon, pom always and get any global dmg

[native blade]

Oh

[mint coral]

Then add aphro-ares for their hangover duos and have fun

And dont take more than 1 source of hangover

[native blade]

^

[high island]

Most important change for high level play was allowing Gilgamesh to do a Dash-Strike into Dash-Upper with a single dash. I suspect that's not something you're making use of, though.

But if I rememer right, the aspect went through a bunch of small changes after 1.0 release. Don't remember all of the details. Heavy Knuckle also went through a number of small changes during early access, which I suspect probably affected how Gilgamesh ended up since they're somewhat similar.

[worn crag]

so hermes and aphrodite would be hermaphrodite?

[stone rune]

if hermes had duos perhaps

[native blade]

That’s where it comes from lol.

[stone rune]

nyaanyaa mewmew i have an important question for you

[worn crag]

wait really

huh

[native blade]

Yep.

[stone rune]

what is Lady Aphrodite's parentage?

[native blade]

Oh I definitely make use of it.

But damn, that’s a helluva handicap.

[native blade]

Ouranus’ balls.

[worn crag]

so a damage multiplier on a weak but fast attack is good for dionysus because hangover is flat dmg which intensifies on repeated application

[high island]

@native blade

Dash-Strike into Dash-Upper with a single dash
To add to that, that is something all the other Malphon aspects could do but Gilgamesh could not. Reason why that's so important for making Gilgamesh work well is that it allows you to stagger an enemy with your Dash-Attack before doing the Dash-Upper... with just a single dash. Which makes it way safer to use your Dash-Upper to inflict Maim because the Dash-Attack can interrupt an enemy attack and then your Dash-Upper effectively combos.

[worn crag]

this is literally true btw

[native blade]

Yep lol.

[stone rune]

Falts‼️

[native blade]

She came out the sea foam that was made when they dropped into the ocean.

She’s technically Zeus’ sister.

Wait no

[stone rune]

Though this is Hesiod's account, Homeric accounts write of her parentage as Dzeus and Dione

[native blade]

Primordial > Titan

She’s Zeus’ senior

[native blade]

Are those… Are those the actual names?

[stone rune]

No

[native blade]

Dzeus?

[stone rune]

Zeus

[solar vault]

because love is a force primordial in nature '

[native blade]

Ok

Lol.

[native blade]

Indeed.

[stone rune]

spaghettios is a force primordial in nature

[native blade]

Captain Crunch is a force primordial in nature

[stone rune]

captain crunch is an evil degenerate in origin

[native blade]

Lel

[native blade]

That makes Zeus marginally more creepy.

[stone rune]

I mean i'm not saying he's not creepy but how is it creepy to have a kid, other than the fact that it's his seven quadrillionth affair

[high island]

Either the sea foam etc. as others have said, somewhat similar to Ishtar, or as you said Lord Zeus and Lady Dione. In Hades, we don't know.

[stone rune]

I see

I mean i feel like dzeus is already mighty off that the marginally is pulling a thousand tons

[native blade]

She’s auntcoded fr, so probably Rhea.

[native blade]

Lel.

[high island]

I think it's quite possible that in Hades, Lady Aphrodite is simply the daughter of Ouranos to keep it simple.

But it could also be deliberately undefined so that you can have your own interpretation.

[native blade]

Whatever makes her Aunt Dite

[high island]

Still wanna keep it clean btw.

[stone rune]

isn't she either zag's grand aunt or his cousin

[rustic vale]

Pretty sure she dropped from someones blood

[high island]

Spoiler tags aren't enough btw lol.

[high island]

As sure as the other times you're wrong?

[rustic vale]

More sure

[native blade]

Yes, but she’s aunt coded so I’m choosing the aunt option.

[last mauve]

the blood of a titan (chronos i think) and the ocean

[high island]

@native blade Malphon was in a good spot compared to other weapons in early access, actually.

[native blade]

Thanks

[high island]

'Twas bow and spear who seriously needed buffs, and got them.

So Malphon kinda fell behind by not getting buffs.

[native blade]

Oh wow, I wonder if fists are just a hard weapon to buff?

Ohhhhh

Lel.

Malphon was too stable

[high island]

What crushed Malphon most of all for high heat, though, was the design of EM4.

Because it's so extremely anti-melee. Like... without Long Knuckle, you literally cannot even punch the skulls with Malphon without mashing dash.

[rustic vale]

Zagreus fists had something about attack speed back then right

[high island]

It's completely ridiculous balance that melee is punished so hard while ranged weapons literally do not care at all about the aura around the skulls or the aura around Hades when he does the beams.

On top of all the other stuff that's already much higher risk with melee.

[native blade]

Ya know, you rite.

I never thought of it cuz I love fist and well… (God Mode)

But if Fists are higher risk weapons shouldn’t there be some sort of balancing measure?

[high island]

I hope that whatever the EM4 equivalent is in Hades 2, they release it much earlier during early access and don't wait until the full release.

[native blade]

Fingers crossed.

[high island]

So that we have time to give feedback and they have time to refine the fight.

[native blade]

You got any ideas on how’d they’d fix Fists at this point?

[high island]

+15% Attack speed and Dodge chance. But the Attack speed only worked on the very first hit lol.

[native blade]

I’m thinking just make a combo counter dmg modifier for consecutive hits.

[native blade]

Lel.

[high island]

I think Malphon is in a decent place except that Gilgamesh needs a redesign imo which of course won't happen. Another one where Gilgamesh could be a lot better imo if it was released during early access and not in 1.0.

[native blade]

Ahhhhh…

[high island]

Gilgamesh's design is just all over the place, kinda like it doesn't know what it wants to be and it's not very good at it.

[native blade]

I think you’re dead on tbh.

[high island]

Well, it's everybody's dash build aspect. So I guess it has that identity.

[native blade]

The attack does subpar damage while Maim is extremely counterproductive right?

[high island]

Yeah, Maim tends to hurt you more than it helps lol.

Not that it can't help, but the bad dashes hurt your ability to evade damage after inflicting Maim lol.

[native blade]

I love that but I assume everyone just uses Greater reflex. I’m the only one whose game is actually significantly improved because I use Ruthless Reflex.

[high island]

I was also very disappointed that the hidden fists didn't go the opposite way of the other hidden aspects; i.e., that we got another "slow but heavy hitter" hidden aspect, and that we got another aspect of some man for the final hidden aspect.

[native blade]

Maim should be a continuing damage buff like Privileged Status imo rather than what it is now. It’d make the increased dmg to yourself more worthwhile imo

[native blade]

Yoooooo, that’s also true.

It’d be cool if it just made you overall quicker.

Like a hermes buff on everything.

Call it Aspect of Usain Bolt lol.

[stone rune]

whose*

[native blade]

Thanks.

[high island]

Yeah, that's what I was hoping for. Something to make you faster in some way or did something totally different like using a Cast in each hand kinda like a mage or something. But then again, I asked for something mage-like for the final hidden aspect back in #520429761420591124-feedback, and they gave us a whole sequel about magic. So I can't complain tbh.

[native blade]

Fair S

I’m guessing mods didn’t do much either.

Though, was there work done on any weapons for mods?

[high island]

Well, I don't really care too much for mods that change weapons or whatever.

[high island]

I think the best way to highlight how absurd Maim is is by comparing it Eris's buff lol.

Eris: free +75% global damage buff, no downsides
Maim: need to hit each enemy to debuff them, only gives +25% bonus damage but at the cost of giving the enemy +50% to Zagreus

[stone rune]

both achilles and maim are applied with special and deal temporarily more damage, 4 hits vs 4 seconds

and one of them is 2.5 and one of them is 1.25

[high island]

Achilles isn't global. But Achilles is a free buff while Gilgamesh needs to debuff each enemy and then buffs the enemies more than it debuffs them lol.

If you have a bard in your party that gives your enemies +50% damage, you kick them.

I think maybe if Gilgamesh had Rending Claws by default, it would be tolerable.

Well, it's not like you can't have decent runs with Gilgamesh as it is, but it's probably the worst aspect and definitely a contender.

[latent moon]

You'd think with the extra dashes it'd be better than the other fists with ME lmao

[native blade]

Oh, fair.

[native blade]

That is… wow… That begs the question though, is guan yu and Rama worth it?

I assume it is, I’m just asking how.

[high island]

Rama is top tier for high heat.

Part of it is that it just doesn't care about JS3 DC2 and even CP2 anywhere near as much as other aspects do.

[native blade]

Holy…

[latent moon]

Guan yus hp reduction is quite harsh lol

[high island]

And you can use Shackle the whole run as your build lol.

[native blade]

Damn…

[worn crag]

which woman could it be?

[high island]

Guan Yu is pretty strong until you get to a point at very high heats where the low HP is too harsh and it becomes too reliant on Charged Skewer.

[native blade]

Wait no… I actually get Guan Yu.

[worn crag]

hello kitty claws?

[native blade]

Yeah.

[native blade]

Lel.

[latent moon]

Hello kitty claws would be absolutely based ngl

[worn crag]

no but fr id love to know

[high island]

Basically, once you have to take AP2, you're just resetting over and over for Charged Skewer. Not a lot of fun lol.

[latent moon]

"aspect of Mike Tyson. Beat the crap out of them"

[worn crag]

hell yeah mythical hero mike tyson

[high island]

I always said it should be the Aspect of Nyaanyaa.

After the legendary wielder of Malphon.

Nyaanyaa, the Queen of Malphon.

[rustic vale]

Damn

[worn crag]

fists cause stun

like the boxing glove from etg

[native blade]

Ye.

Loved that.

Can it interrupt stuff like Aphro charm?

[worn crag]

idk

[latent moon]

they don't stun bosses, which is the bigger issue

[worn crag]

it was just an idea

i meant to say what if fists caused stun

[latent moon]

i mean it does already doesn't it

just not to bosses

[worn crag]

what if the special was like the extendo boxing glove lol

[worn crag]

dont all the weapons do that

[latent moon]

rail atk doesn't stun

i dont think rail stuns at all

[worn crag]

nah

it does doesnt it???

[latent moon]

nope

[worn crag]

i hit 100 escape attempts today

my max streak was 11

[latent moon]

maybe with spread fire? not sure about that one but rail bullets do not stun at all

part of the reason why static discharge is really good on it

[worn crag]

huh

oh i used that w rail a lot so maybe thats why

[native blade]

I’d love that for a mod for the hadoken hammer.

[latent moon]

idk if that would make fists good lol

unless it has a pretty significant base damage i guess

[worn crag]

it would be funny doe

[native blade]

^

[worn crag]

the hardest thing to do in hades is learn how to spell dionysus

[latent moon]

dionysus

[worn crag]

thats what i said

[native blade]

DIO- most of the letters in Nyx- Amogus sus.

Ez

[high island]

Not with Spread Fire either lol. Static Discharge will stagger them, though.

[latent moon]

festive

[stone rune]

does hestia shot

[high island]

Yeah.

[latent moon]

oh festive

[brisk trail]

hestia felt really iffy on the switch til i swapped controls around, slaps now

the right joystick pressing wasnt doing it for me

[solar vault]

Yeah

Just not quite enough buttons on the controller for all the things

[latent moon]

making the reload button more convenient helps a ton yeah

[hardy wraith]

I really hate styx on high heat Hestia

Trying to do the 32 heat run with it and man

I reached Styx 3 times so far and got a 4 sack twice

Those shields and perks from benefits package are brutal

[worn crag]

me with 4 death defiances, 5 heroic boons at level 7, and 500 health: better check all 5 rooms of styx!!!!

[latent moon]

do you have damage control on?

[hardy wraith]

Nope

[latent moon]

oh okay thank god lmao

[hardy wraith]

It's just that the shields are really tanky and Hestia doesn't really have any decent AoE if you don't get lucky on hammers

[latent moon]

starting tidal dash would solve styx for you

worth considering

[hardy wraith]

Yeah that might be the way to go

[latent moon]

you dont need an atk boon until asphodel, and you'd just hope into a natural aphrodite atk or any epic % atk that isn't artemis or poseidon in tartarus

or force aphrodite later

although it would make the super armor bp enemies annoying

should be relatively fine tho with tdash and boiling blood

[hardy wraith]

I'd probably easily pass this run if I didn't get a 4 sack, since every room stole one DD from me

Unlucky

[latent moon]

DDs on 32?

what's your pact then

[hardy wraith]

I don't remember exactly since I turned off the game already

[latent moon]

ah

using lc4 with SD is a common strategy used at 32 heat tho

[hardy wraith]

I don't have any lc

[latent moon]

following the pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies would help a lot

[hardy wraith]

Might try it out

[solar vault]

so you can ease off on some other things that make it harder

[latent moon]

do you remember if you're taking td3?

[hardy wraith]

Nah, 5 mins kinda too little for me

[latent moon]

do you have js and/or cp on?

[hardy wraith]

One point in js iirc

None in cp

[latent moon]

ri and ap?

because td3 should be relatively comfy for hestia

js1 isn't helping

[hardy wraith]

No RI

One point in ap

[latent moon]

granted you did get 4 sacked or something but also, without js1 you would've gotten a lot more leniency

is this haelian's pact?

oh nvm he takes lc2

but ap1 generally isn't considered until 40

[hardy wraith]

I just went with whatever seemed reasonable for me, didn't really look anything up

[latent moon]

might be part of the problem to why you're struggling with time

not having a good build, even tho hestia is pretty ap resistant

[latent moon]

fair

Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance

this worked well for many people, should consider it

[hardy wraith]

I'm relatively new to the game so I'm not that fast overall, even on lower heat, but saw the statues and decided to try out the 32 heat anyways

I mean I've gotten fairly close, I just need some luck I suppose

[latent moon]

taking chaos, always taking shop and story rooms, pausing while making decisions

those cut off a lot of time

obv dont always take chaos, but consider it if it's early in tart

[hardy wraith]

I always pause but actually didn't consider taking shops and chaos for time save

Actually a good tip lol

[latent moon]

taking dark foresight on the mirror helps too

[solar vault]

trial of the gods can also take longer than normal rooms

[latent moon]

i'd consider taking a trial in tartarus if you need UC fodder

[hardy wraith]

I usually skip those unless It's in Tartarus

Yeah

I just find them risky, some of the gods can be a real pain

[latent moon]

definitely

if one of them is athena, then it's pretty free lol

But basic speedrun strats will help a lot

[hardy wraith]

I think tidal dash will actually be the biggest change, it'll also help with chariots in Elysium I suppose

[latent moon]

Definitely

[hardy wraith]

Since Hestia's attack doesn't stagger them

[latent moon]

It has a pretty good base damage as well

It'll help with a faster Tartarus and styx

[latent moon]

Hestia atk does stagger I thought

[latent moon]

According from here at least

[hardy wraith]

Idk I don't remember ever seeing it stagger the chariots, and they were the main issue with Elysium for me, I might be remembering it wrong tho idk

A super lucky run would be somehow getting cluster rockets, that would make Styx and pretty much everything else fairly easy

[latent moon]

Based clockets

[high island]

[high island]

Well, that TD3 pact in my guide is for players who are new and doing their first 32.

[tired karma]

Hazard bomb + targeting system is my fav hammer combo rn

[high island]

Learning to do TD3 reliably is a lot easier than all the other stuff you could be doing for that same amount of Heat you get from TD3.

[high island]

Armored enemies don't get stunned.

[high island]

They can also be a lot faster by guaranteeing armored enemies.

Any trial with armored enemies in Elysium would be a lot faster than neverending waves of unarmored Brightswords.

Well.

Maybe not a trial with Speeder Bruiser Greatshields because they might not give you an opening to attack lol.

[brisk trail]

wow savior brimstones just thrashed arthur

[hardy wraith]

This game really hates me

Another at least 4 sack

I probably won't find out since I have no DDs left

[chrome heath]

The fear, really

Probably demands having a beam or blade cast, or blade or poison dash

Otherwise it wastes precious time

[hardy wraith]

Hestia doesn't seem to stagger anything even with no armor

[lone sable]

That just means more loot before the big heal

[latent moon]

it's 32 heat, which means that they're likely to run out of time at this point lmao

[hardy wraith]

More like run out of sanity 💀

[latent moon]

or both lol

[lone sable]

If you run out of time do you just die?

[latent moon]

you lose 5 hp per second

so you get some leeway

[hardy wraith]

I made one major change

[latent moon]

winning?

[hardy wraith]

I got rid of forced overtime

[latent moon]

valid

[hardy wraith]

Yeah

It was actually

[latent moon]

the pact i sent earlier has no FO

[hardy wraith]

Easy?

I mean

[latent moon]

hl5 fo0 is a lot easier than hl0/1 fo2

[chrome heath]

Fo1 is still adaptable

[latent moon]

fo1 isn't so bad yeah

fo2 can suck at times tho

[hardy wraith]

I didn't think it was going to be such a difference

I got my 32 heat tho, I think with a very similar setup to the one you sent