so DR would multiply right
#h1-discussion
native blade
I play this game differently man.
stone rune
nope .2 .7 .6
noble canyon
I never do face tanking, I dash around like a madman till I got the timing to fight back
stone rune
if you use god mode arthur and have weak applied you take 8% damage
latent moon
I play this game differently man.
i mean that's fine lmao
stone rune
thats funny
latent moon
if you use god mode arthur and have weak applied you take 8% damage
broken resolve?
stone rune
7.2%
solar vault
I love this graph
latent moon
could assume epic because why not
solar vault
unshakeable mettle
stone rune
that would lead to 5.9%
stone rune
where do you even get these from is there a database somewhere
latent moon
hellfire bot
noble canyon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1060440062812225556...
bro that's a bisexual flag
latent moon
lmfao
latent moon
where do you even get these from is there a database somewhere
invite link for the bot
stone rune
hm
latent moon
h!help doesn't come up with anything?
like it's just blank
or does it say "idk man as"
solar vault
just DM it commands
stone rune
ugh why does hunter dash not fulfill heart rend
solar vault
because it doesn't let you crit
brisk trail
ugh asphodel still manages to snatch a death defiance from me pretty regularly 
noble canyon
pretty common if you just started playing, don't let it get you down
I had to take Skelly's keepsake everytime because I couldn't help losing a few around that zone
carmine wraith
patty's keepsake might also help with asphodel depending on what you're having trouble with
Good against lava
brisk trail
lava 
carmine wraith
Then maybe try the broken spearpoint yeah
Will make you invul for a bit as soon as you take the first lava tick
carmine wraith
Is it not..?
native blade
Troll
solar vault
pedantic moment about magma vs lava
noble canyon
since when has there been lava in asphodel
carmine wraith
k
noble canyon
live rock reaction
noble canyon
it was epic tho like damn the music
the music is epic
tho I can't beat him yet, he kills me so fast on the 3rd phase
fervent jewel
i had a cheese build and spammed him to death with chiro but it was close yeah
i got skull's keepsake to barely pull me through
mint coral
it was epic tho like damn the music
the description in the music stand is the best
"banned for containing too many notes per second"
old dawn
warm smelt
need advice for what I 'should' be doing
currently I'm just going through heat levels increasing 1 at a time with bow
but I don't have my mirror maxed yet
should I just keep going up 1 by 1 or is there something 'better' I should be doing
waxen garnet
should I just keep going up 1 by 1 or is there something 'better' I should be do...
If you are grinding mirror, it's better to keep the heat off so you get Darkness as the boss reward and then can power up the Mirror buffs. Works especially well if testing new weapons out with Dark Thirst and you are using Dark Regeneration (you will keep anything other than Obol and Boons from runs, regardless if you escape or not)
warm smelt
I'm only on heat 4 and only have 1 weapon maxed
I was thinking I just keep going up in heat unlock/max a wep from each category and then rinse and repeat to get a ton of titan blood?
and I'll eventually get enough blood to max out mirror?
waxen garnet
? Mirror uses Darkness not Blood though; Weapons use Titan Blood, and Companions use Ambrosia.
Also, unless you are clearing each heat, you might be better off using the eternal broker to turn gems into keys into nectar into diamonds into ambrosia into titan blood ... it's a massive grind for sure but since you cant get the next heat's rewards until you clear the current one, then you will only be getting darkness from bosses
brisk trail
i tried explaining builds to my gf and its a nightmare
"use dionysus cast on hera its good"
"but his cast sucks"
"it takes so long"
"use your cast and shoot"
"....OOOOOOH"
latent moon
dio cast on hera actually isn't that great tho lol
brisk trail
when youre playing on zero heat like she does its good lmao
native blade
"use dionysus cast on hera its good"
"but his cast sucks"
"it takes so long"
"us...
Lel.
That’s hella cute.
high island
If you are grinding mirror, it's better to keep the heat off so you get Darkness...
Except I would say it's a lot more efficient to not bother grinding specifically for Darkness for the mirror and just keep going up in Heat, upgrading your mirror naturally in the process.
native blade
when youre playing on zero heat like she does its good lmao
Gl man, you already won getting her to game in the first place.
high island
dio cast on hera actually isn't that great tho lol
Top 3, that's not too bad.
latent moon
yeah but relying on chaos is pain
high island
Just a high-roll build as any Stygian Soul build.
latent moon
when youre playing on zero heat like she does its good lmao
i guess that's fair since you can just take your time lol
brisk trail
unfortunately did not get the chance to roll at all bc she died in Tartarus 💀
high island
Crush Shot start much more consistent.
native blade
unfortunately did not get the chance to roll at all bc she died in Tartarus 💀
Lel.
Keep coaching, boss.
Is she seeing this btw? Lol.
brisk trail
nah i dont think she even knows theres a discord server lmao
brisk trail
infinite ammo lucifer is fun for no reason
stone rune
Except I would say it's a lot more efficient to not bother grinding specifically...
i got more darkness last 3 bounty-filled runs than i did in the prior like 20 heated bountied runs
you get like 15 a game
high island
Doesn't matter.
If you're progressing in Heat, you don't need the Darkness, evidently.
So natural progression is good enough while you're progressing with bounties.
stone rune
i just hate having to reset the mirror every time i wanna swap somethikng
so far i've got both sides of dd/sd, infernal/stygian and ff/ps
high island
That's comfort, I was talking about efficiency. 
rustic vale
i just hate having to reset the mirror every time i wanna swap somethikng
there really aren't many that you want to swap anyways though
stone rune
there aren't many that you swap often
but on occasion you wanna swap some things
the time shall soon come for my duo and legendary boon hunt
rustic vale
yeah but that's like
stone rune
so for that i'll want legacy
rustic vale
yeah but that's like
family favourites and...
stone rune
i could probably use fiery prseence
rustic vale
not many others would get swapped around often
rustic vale
SD/DD is only really getting swapped if you're switching between 32+ and low heat often
rustic vale
Bruh
Aside from that you can really just stick to fiery presence or shadow presence and not switch them and you only have like 2 that you really ever need to change then
Pstatus <-> Family Favourites and Death Defiance <-> Stubborn Defiance
warm smelt
for the dark reflections prophecy do you need to put points into some of the skills?
stone rune
i did
rustic vale
for the dark reflections prophecy do you need to put points into some of the ski...
I think you need at least 1 but I don’t remember
warm smelt
just switching to them doesn't seem to work on some of them maybe?
stone rune
also i want that chaos theme
latent moon
for the dark reflections prophecy do you need to put points into some of the ski...
You need at least 1 point in every skill, both sides
Iirc
warm smelt
cool beans, thanks
stone rune
You need at least 1 point in every skill, both sides
nope
only one sidfe
that's nyx's mirror achievmeent
have at least one rank in each talent
for dark reflections you just need to escape with eqach one
latent moon
Oh lmao
stone rune
but you do need a point in each
i did a funny run with like abyssal blood and golden touch and ap1 ri1 for those two things
warm smelt
Don't know which wep I want to max next
hestia or eris
poseidon or nemesis
stone rune
hestia
warm smelt
oh yea?
warm smelt
what's a good build path with hesita?
stone rune
all you need is aph strike
i usually stick on athena dash
aph special or if ps then dem special
it pwns
warm smelt
then just pom atk?
warm smelt
aph special or if ps then dem special
ps?
stone rune
privileged status
i mean
this might not be 100% optimal or whatever
but im just eh at the game and this works wonders
thorny mirage
Don't know which wep I want to max next
hestia or eris
poseidon or nemesis
Which one do you like the most
stone rune
poseidon is fun too
warm smelt
I haven't really used any of them tbh
high island
what's a good build path with hesita?
Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air.
stone rune
oh yeah
high island
Also a high % Special.
Can also start Tidal Dash and pick up a high % Attack and Special.
If you start Tidal Dash and don't find a decent Attack in Tartarus, you can swap to Shackle.
Look for Strike and Lunge from Master Chaos; Flourish is also fine.
Best Attack hammer is Ricochet Fire. Best Special hammers are Rocket Bomb + Cluster Bomb or just Hazard Bomb.
stone rune
gah
everyone always hates on the shield guys and the bow guys
the spear guys suck
holy bingle
45 seconds
12:06 whyyy
stone rune
i think you should be able to get twinple shot
stiff grove
I've died to the final boss twice now ;+;
stone rune
got refreshing nectar in asphodel
still have 2 uses in chamber 32
what the hell
cannot believe i still have it in styx
give me one god forlorn artemis boon
i swear to god
LOW TOLERANCE
TWICE
MIRAGE SHOT
torpid flower
Yall, I'm torn, Hunting Blade or Miracle shot with blade rift
I went with Hunting Blade
latent moon
hunting blades
because otherwise the cast is kinda eh without the tracking
@stone rune @wicked swan just because you guys don't like explosive shot on zag bow doesn't mean it isn't a decent choice lmao
obv better things
latent moon
but it's still worth considering
stone rune
if i were better id put in the effort tae practice it
latent moon
flurry is the best hera hammer but it's hard to use
latent moon
if i were better id put in the effort tae practice it
i never bothered practicing it lmao
wicked swan
Flurry is the one that lets you auto shoot right
wicked swan
iirc
stone rune
flurry cracked
latent moon
Flurry is the one that lets you auto shoot right
yeah
wicked swan
Fr
wicked swan
Flurry triple + aphro atk and leg boon
latent moon
leg moment
i think both of my sub10s on zag bow have been because of twin explosive lmao
wicked swan
Should i unlock beowulf shield
stone rune
i reiterate i think you should be able to get twinple
wicked swan
How cracked exactly
latent moon
mirage shot is bugged on it so it does 100% instead of 30% damage
start flood flare, get deadly strike, get mirage shot
win
flood flare hits through walls btw
bigass aoe as well
wicked swan
So it's literally just a nuke
wicked swan
Beo makes all casts aoe right?
latent moon
charged shot is best hammer
latent moon
Beo makes all casts aoe right?
yes
carmine wraith
somehow managed to complete every single prophecy before epilogue lmao
latent moon
Wait since its a cast aspect does it work like hera as well?
yeah, you load casts
latent moon
somehow managed to complete every single prophecy before epilogue lmao
lmao based
wicked swan
Meanwhile me still trying to get nyx to give me achilles and Sisyphus file
stiff grove
Let's gooooo finally beat Hades
wicked swan
Good job
stiff grove
37.21.19 with the shield of chaos
I kinda sabatodged myself right before the final fight on accident, but it still worked out
stiff grove
I had a really funny spam square build going
Had double hit, doom on hit, arrow on hit, +47% attack damage, it was great
Then I anviled and got both of the bull rush bonuses
stiff grove
~~what does the square mean~~
Normal attack button
latent moon
pulv blow, curse of agony, support fire, chaos, and breaching & sudden rush?
idk about the last 2 hammers but everything else sounds about right
stiff grove
Is there a place for me to check past runs?
stiff grove
I probably have to unlock it then
latent moon
you might have to buy access from the contractor? i dont remember
but it's not unlocked until something happens
stiff grove
My highlighted 4 were impending doom, support fire, minotaur rush, breaching rush, and empowering flight
From the screenshot
latent moon
oh did pulv blow get anviled away lol
wicked swan
you might have to buy access from the contractor? i dont remember
iirc you have to get the bed event where you are asked to enter the admin chamber
stone rune
whats yall favourite theme
wicked swan
After that event you can unlock access with diamonds from contractor
wicked swan
whats yall favourite theme
Hades fight
latent moon
victory theme lmao
wicked swan
Oh that theme
native blade
i like the color
Think it’s the best tbh.
stone rune
i better get flurry
latent moon
are you doing zag bow lmao
stone rune
purple attack speed is an investment
latent moon
bruh lmao
stone rune
these are the liberties you get to take at low heat
latent moon
just always run 40 heat
torpid flower
Yall, what are these themes? I don't see any changes to the boon info or anything
void vigil
ive been using lovely for a long time now
native blade
ive been using lovely for a long time now
The aphro one?
void vigil
yes
wicked swan
purple attack speed is an investment
Whenever i dont get rocket bomb on eris i get the burst fire upgrade and purp atk speed
Becomes funny death laser frfr
carmine wraith
I wish I enjoyed the game enough to completely 100% it lol
carmine wraith
nah I mean like 100% 100%, not steam achievements 100%
wicked swan
Does distant memory even work
The times ive tried it with bow and i barely notice a damage increase, sometimes not at all
So i just dropped it at rank 2 and never used it again
cerulean magnet
alright, let's see if I can beat it a second time...what's everyone's favourite weapon to choose?
carmine wraith
eris rail
latent moon
sniper shot procs at a shorter range and it's considered bad
carmine wraith
sniper shot is longer range, no?
carmine wraith
yeah distant memory is 500+ units, sniper shot is 675+ units
wicked swan
alright, let's see if I can beat it a second time...what's everyone's favourite ...
Either arthur blade or demeter fists
Also im curious, do people run explosive upper on demeter fist? I always run it due to the 6 procs
Or 7
carmine wraith
very specific but also Achilles spear with ice wine and flurry cast
I like explosive upper, just gotta get used to using dash upper
cerulean magnet
Either arthur blade or demeter fists
how do you find being so close? I run the spear and I rarely get hit until I'm at the boss battle at Elysium
carmine wraith
learning to dodge while being close is really important lol
wicked swan
how do you find being so close? I run the spear and I rarely get hit until I'm a...
Double dashing behind everyone
I came from playing souls games so i know a thing or two about dodging
cerulean magnet
very specific but also Achilles spear with ice wine and flurry cast
interesting!
latent moon
Also im curious, do people run explosive upper on demeter fist? I always run it ...
prob 2nd best hammer
carmine wraith
nukes anything instantly lol
cerulean magnet
I've mainly angled with Aphrodite and Dionysus
wicked swan
I like artemis
latent moon
breaching cross just deletes armor off of units, it's just too good to not take over explosive upper
wicked swan
Critting is just so satisfying
latent moon
legacy decided to be useful to me for once and let me get heart rend on top of mirage shot lol
heart rend is so nice
carmine wraith
Mirage shot is the bane of my existence
latent moon
mood
carmine wraith
Because I like going poseidon dash as well
latent moon
oh rip lmao
what aspect is this
granted a lot of aspects can go with tdash + heart rend but just curious
carmine wraith
just anything really but usually eris lol
latent moon
oh lmao yeah that's unfortunate
carmine wraith
or demeter
latent moon
wait what are you doing with heart rend eris
wicked swan
Artemis and Aphrodite for life lol
Heart rend + splitting headache + deadly reversal
carmine wraith
spamming clockets for 3000+ crits lol
cerulean magnet
or demeter
I find her boons don't hit as hard, but probably because I don't have the right combo
carmine wraith
Demeter the fist aspect, my bad
Don't really like her boons either lol, some good duos though
wicked swan
I usually just get dem aid
latent moon
spamming clockets for 3000+ crits lol
but like
how are you applying weak
carmine wraith
attack every so often
wicked swan
Id rather run zeus on eris
carmine wraith
I guess that's only like 11-13% less chance to crit
latent moon
you're supposed to run zeus on eris unless it's very high heat, you take dio atk
latent moon
Why not just aphro spec and get pp
this is generally what's done if you want to use aphro special
- marked
or just use arty special
carmine wraith
I guess aphro dash is kinda budget poseidon
latent moon
nowhere near the damage or radius lmao
carmine wraith
I'd imagine that's how you'd apply heart rend
carmine wraith
but
carmine wraith
muh crits
latent moon
you frankly don't need it to crit for more lmao
carmine wraith
lies
latent moon
also if the goal is clockets, it's gonna instaphase anyways
wicked swan
Can lucifer use delta chamber?
carmine wraith
nah
wicked swan
Ive never tested it
latent moon
shooting way over the break point isn't useful if there's an invulnerability phase lmao
carmine wraith
has its own infinite ammo hammer
latent moon
Ive never tested it
gets it's own thing, eternal chamber
with mods, you can give it delta chamber and it sucks lmao
carmine wraith
where's my hazard rocket mod hmm
latent moon
codex mod
latent moon
codex mod probably let it works
there's a vid of like 4 hammers going at the same time
cluster triple hazard on luci or something
brazen aspen
Whose idea was to make house contractor so incredibly expensive?
wicked swan
Not really
latent moon
maybe dont be broke
carmine wraith
It's.. beautiful..
lone sable
I mean the house contractor is quite cheap once you gett he thing that makes bosses give gems
carmine wraith
Ehh still takes like 200 hours to unlock everything lol
wicked swan
Gives you like 100-150 per run if you go all the way
(assuming you dont take gems at all)
Guys what should i max next?
Ive maxed zag and arthur blade, eris rail, demeter fists,
Im close to maxing both nemesis blade and hera bow
latent moon
is the choice between nemesis and hera
solar vault
I should do more runs with beowulf I'm still not used to how heavy it feels
latent moon
tbf it helps a ton if you get charged shot
wicked swan
Aight then ill max zeus first because i forgot to use enough titan blood for the waking phrase
latent moon
you dont have to max it lmao
you just need to get it to like lvl 2 or 3 or something
wicked swan
you dont have to max it lmao
Ik
latent moon
also if you play it optimally, you dont need lvls in it lol
maxing zag shield would probably be more worth it
latent moon
max zag shield makes a huge difference
native blade
yep]
latent moon
Should i unlock gilgamesh
no lol
wicked swan
Or how do i spell it
latent moon
gilga bad
wicked swan
Ic
latent moon
will
solar vault
you should unlock everything eventually
native blade
That's hilariously wrong
native blade
The meta isn't always right.
native blade
Should i unlock gilgamesh
Do you play fists?
latent moon
The meta isn't always right.
and who are you to judge
native blade
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> and who are you to judge
The person who's playing perfectly fine without meta picks.
latent moon
you play low heat
native blade
you play low heat
Ok? And?
lone sable
can someone tell me which attack in the em hades fight just dealt like 70 dmg to me?
solar vault
the meta is the meta lol, it's fine to enjoy or find success in different things but by nature the meta is what is good at the limits
latent moon
you can't really judge meta things to be accurate because literally anything works at low heat
native blade
you can't really judge meta things to be accurate because literally anything wor...
Okay, and is this person at high heat?
latent moon
it's still an objectively bad aspect
native blade
it's still an objectively bad aspect
I'll find out at heat 32?
latent moon
anything can work at 32 still tbh
native blade
So... 48 then.
latent moon
up until like 45+ish is when things start to pick up
native blade
Ah...
native blade
So u mean when the game stops making things harder and just starts nerfing you.
native blade
As in speedruns?
latent moon
if you like the play style and everything, that's fine
but i wouldn't call it a good aspect by any means
latent moon
As in speedruns?
yeah
native blade
But... not everyone is gonna do speedruns.
lone sable
imma be honest im just trying to unlock gilgamesh cause i like the numbers on it
native blade
imma be honest im just trying to unlock gilgamesh cause i like the numbers on it
Well then definitely, those numbers are legit and can go even higher,
latent moon
those tend to be the benchmarks for if an aspect is good or not, and ik that not everyone does high heat or speedrun, but aspects excel at at least one of those because they're good
heat and speed define the meta aspects/builds
native blade
But then you have an extremely narrow sense of what's good that not necessarily the majority agrees with.
latent moon
is it the majority that matters here tho
lone sable
also the 2 extra dashes just seem really nice for actually doding
latent moon
the dashes are shorter and have a longer cooldown lol
lone sable
ok ig the wiki doesnt specify
latent moon
so like it's both good and bad for dodging
gray apex
Just because the aspect is considered bad comparatively by top players doesn’t mean it’s not viable, you can play whatever you want
latent moon
yeah i've said that at least twice lol
wicked swan
Do you play fists?
I play demeter, occasionally talos
wicked swan
Did i just start a discussion about gilgamesh
latent moon
you can enjoy gilga and whatnot, doesn't make it good
native blade
I play demeter, occasionally talos
Then yeah, pick it up. It's fun, it hits hard and it's easy to use.
lone sable
i mean if not gilgamesh what are you gonna use for fists?
wicked swan
Okay, and is this person at high heat?
Not really, my current record is 7, currently sucking out all the titan blood i can from the pact
So im doing increments of 1 for now
gray apex
i mean if not gilgamesh what are you gonna use for fists?
Demeter is far better than Gilga
latent moon
i think most of the subreddit love using chaos
chaos is only good because it's a shield lmao. other than that, it lacks a ton of dps and the best way to play it is just using the attack
so just bad zag shield
majority consensus doesn't make something good
native blade
Did i just start a discussion about gilgamesh
Ye to squash it real quick, did u ask about gilgamesh because you wanted to do a heat 64 run or a speedrun?
latent moon
Ye to squash it real quick, did u ask about gilgamesh because you wanted to do a...
i've literally established that if they want to use it, they can
it's just not good
wicked swan
Ye to squash it real quick, did u ask about gilgamesh because you wanted to do a...
No i was just curiously asking due to it having a cool waking phrase (i am biased)
native blade
Demeter is far better than Gilga
Eh, Giga Cutter might have more damage but it's a charge move. Gilga has better overall consistent damage.
latent moon
be free to enjoy whatever you want, if you want to use gilga, then use gilga
get the waking phrase
wicked swan
I got arthur for the same reason back then and i wasnt disappointed
latent moon
it's just not good
wicked swan
So i asked about gilgamesh
gray apex
Just agree to disagree I don’t have enough brain cells for this tbh
native blade
No i was just curiously asking due to it having a cool waking phrase (i am biase...
Thought so, yeah you should get it.
latent moon
Just agree to disagree I don’t have enough brain cells for this tbh
fair
native blade
I got arthur for the same reason back then and i wasnt disappointed
YOOOOOO Arthur goes crazy.
Honestly all the hidden aspects go dumb hard.
The only exception is arguably Lucifer and that's just cuz rather than hitting hard it deals continuous damage and has a unique special.
lone sable
is there any lore reason as to why the spear aspect is nedded for the others?
latent moon
The only exception is arguably Lucifer and that's just cuz rather than hitting h...
luci is just weird eris except you only need 1 hammer to get big numbers
build it the exact same way
native blade
Ahhhh
latent moon
but you want triple bomb
native blade
Is it the Luci hammer?
ionic minnow
Wheres the pin that invites to the hades modding disc
native blade
but you want triple bomb
Huh, ok.
ionic minnow
Ty ty
solar vault
the idea of luci lasers is very fun
latent moon
is there any lore reason as to why the spear aspect is nedded for the others?
prob because achilles was the one who brought all the weapons to the courtyard?
that's my guess but wasn't stated in game
solar vault
but it's not comparable to hestia or eris lol
latent moon
luci is tricky to use but is really strong
rail has the fastest one weapon only category time because it's the only weapon with all good aspects (for speed)
brazen aspen
how did devs make such a long game take only few gb?
lone sable
lemme rephraze, dyno
latent moon
def not on par strength wise to eris or hestia i suppose, but still quite strong
lone sable
isnt the size like 10 gb or is my memory just bad
brazen aspen
I am used to 60 gb games taking only 5 hours to beat
lone sable
I am used to 60 gb games taking only 5 hours to beat
lemme guess. AAA games?
wicked swan
I am used to 60 gb games taking only 5 hours to beat
You should plat elden ring
wicked swan
I personally love sekiro
Its what got me into the franchise
The immense difficulty was actually refreshing for me
native blade
Sekiro is considered comparitively easy lol.
wicked swan
I know
I mean its completely different from elden/souls
native blade
Without shade against you btw, it's just a funny thought of how extreme the difficulty of those games are.
lone sable
am i the only one who doesnt play 3d games just because i run out of space on my table while trying to turn around?
native blade
I know
I mean its completely different from elden/souls
It's different from the other souls games too. I think they wanted to focus on one weapons' mechanics.
native blade
am i the only one who doesnt play 3d games just because i run out of space on my...
Lel, I don't cuz I'm poor.
wicked swan
It was simple, good story, and imo very balanced bosses, also good mechanics (except the busted big red sword)
Mortal blade is a cheese item
We might have to move to the off topic area though lol
native blade
It was simple, good story, and imo very balanced bosses, also good mechanics (ex...
Lel, honestly sounds solid for something fromsoft.
plucky sierra
How long does it take to get sisyphus prophecy
i've literally played to the point i have all but 3 achievements
1 being releasing sisyphus
high island
Eh, Giga Cutter might have more damage but it's a charge move. Gilga has better ...
That's just not accurate. And no offense, but you don't have the necessary experience and practice nor knowledge of Hades theory and meta to gauge aspect strength or consistency accurately.
It's one thing to say that Gilgamesh has better consistent damage in your experience. But you'll want to be more careful with objective, general claims like that that you simply cannot back up.
The meta is the meta because it's been demonstrated to work. It's the practical application of our collective current best understanding of Hades theory.
high island
How long does it take to get sisyphus prophecy
Sometimes it's the first bond you get, sometimes it's the last. Check at the House Contractor if you didn't miss the work order to release him, and check the Admin Chamber to see if you didn't miss an interaction there. You can refer to the wiki for more detailed steps. https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Sisyphus#Affinity
Most of the time when somebody asks a question like that, though, it's just a matter of talking to more people and doing more runs.
Lots of times people ask about something like that, and then a little later they post it only took 1-3 more runs to get it.
native blade
That's just not accurate. And no offense, but you don't have the necessary exper...
Fair, you are completely correct however where am I wrong in this case?
high island
Fair, you are completely correct however where am I wrong in this case?
Gilgamesh Aspect's Dash-Attack base damage is too low to even kill Numbskulls without an Attack boon, and the low base damage reduces the effectiveness of Malphon's best hammer, Breaching Cross. Gilgamesh has more dashes at base, but they have reduced dash distance and a longer cooldown, which hurts its mobility; mobility is a huge factor for DPS. In addition, it reduces the effectiveness of Greatest Reflex by a lot, and that's one of the best boons to increase Malphon DPS. The +25% bonus damage from inflicting Maim is too low to make up for the time that Dash-Upper takes in most cases, and the 4 seconds it takes for Maim's own flat damage to proc is too long to even proc before enemies are dead in the vast majority of fights.
Meanwhile, Demeter Aspect has the Dash-Attack base damage it needs, better mobility, and a quick 240 base damage multi-hit AOE burst damage move (you'd want to use Dash-Uppers for that) that charges up naturally and pretty quick from just using your Attacks and Dash-Attacks.
native blade
Gilgamesh Aspect's Dash-Attack base damage is too low to even kill Numbskulls wi...
I would argue that changing around your mirror changes that immensely.
high island
If you're thinking of Ruthless Reflex, that doesn't make up for the reduced mobility.
native blade
If u switch to a more offensive build with Ruthless Reflex, High Confidence and Privileged Status your base damage improves rapidly. The short ranged dashes become a benefit as you now have a multitude of ruthless reflexes that don’t overshoot enemies and can switch directions very easily.
native blade
If you're thinking of Ruthless Reflex, that doesn't make up for the reduced mobi...
Well, I’ll take your word for it.
high island
your base damage improves rapidly
Base damage is damage before any modifiers.
native blade
Oh.
Well dmg wise, I’ve never had an issue so clearly my bias is due to personal preference.
I gotta ask tho, u ever use Rush Kick?It seems pretty useful, ‘specially for that mobility thing.
high island
It's not that it has issues with damage exactly, that's subjective anyway. But Demeter Aspect has consistently higher DPS.
high island
It has issues once you try to beat certain times or push into Heat high enough.
Which is where DPS will matter most.
native blade
Well, those are niche situations to be fair.
high island
Well, those are niche situations to be fair.
They're also testing grounds for DPS potential.
And DPS consistency etc.
For more casual players who aren't playing the aspects at a high level where the full potential of the aspect shows, naturally they'll have some aspects they'll do better with than others. Like, Gilgamesh might work out better for you than Demeter; but Demeter Aspect itself still has better and more consistent DPS. It's just that you are getting more out of Gilgamesh, which could be due to the builds you're using or the DPS rotations you're doing, lack of practice with Demeter compared to Gilgamesh, etc. etc.
There's also the factor that Gilgamesh's Maim gives the enemy +50% bonus damage, which can force you to be less aggressive and more evasive and hence drop your DPS. And for that one specifically, playing with God Mode on with high damage resistance would let you get away with still being very aggressive after inflicting Maim in many situations where playing without God Mode on wouldn't.
native blade
There's also the factor that Gilgamesh's Maim gives the enemy +50% bonus damage,...
That’s fair.
chrome heath
So, a bit of a thought experiment: what if the gods had two separate and radically distinct sets of boons? Kinda like the sides of the mirror. With completely different mechanics
Say, Zeus as Thunder or as Rain
Or Dio as Wine or as Madness
It'd probably be too much, but eh, just a thought
high island
So, a bit of a thought experiment: what if the gods had two separate and radical...
Well, Lord Ares has Doom and Blade Rifts. Lord Dionysus has Hangover and Festive Fog. Lord Zeus has chain lightning and lightning bolts. Lady Demeter has Chill and Crystal Beam... so there is some of that in the game.
To an extent.
waxen garnet
I mean ... that already seems to be the case with Dio and Ares since they have two different mechanical elements to their active boons. Deme and Aphro are close with Crystal Beam and Aphro Aid, but their other boons bring that in line with their main focus of Chill and Weak/Charm respectively.
... Id honestly skip on that tbh: Ares is particularly annoying for me to build around because 2 active boons are Doom based and the other three are Rift based
native blade
Wish there was a combo boon for Ares.
high island
You usually go all-in on either Doom for Merciful End or Slicing Shot for Hunting Blades.
chrome heath
You are right
I guess i meant in a more absolute way, but yeah
It's there
Kinda like the regional forms of pokemon is what i guess i had in mind
waxen garnet
nods I get the idea though and while Id think itd be interesting if the player had more control over which side of an Olympian they met, in a rogue-like giving players that control seems to counter the randomization aspect.
That said, mods do exist so maybe proposing the idea to a modder and seeing how well it does might be better for empyrical data?
high island
Better yet if you have specific boon ideas that they can add. Could likely find somebody to help you with that in the Hades Modding discord that's pinned in #self-promotion if you wanted to do that.
chrome heath
Oh, thanks
waxen garnet
Oh, thanks
If you'd like any help from a design angle (like what effects the boon ideas might be fun to include), I'd interested in being creative ||(actually wanted to be a game designer as a kid and drew level designs, wrote very rough boss AI, and even tried my hand at control scheme and plots ... Im just terrible with the tech side of things and it was an extremely niche field of study by the time I went to college)||
chrome heath
Yeah, i myself like to throw many ideas around. I never make em stick though XD
native blade
native blade
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1036374758385791087/1066723502654238780...
Kinda feel bad lol.
copper thistle
Decided to go for 32 heat with all aspects a week ago and I think I gave myself carpal tunnel syndrome. I can barely make a grip 
though it seems to be getting better. Why do I still want to play this game? I have a problem..
native blade
I was TIL when I learnt the characters blink when you're talking to them with the text box.
plucky sierra
Sometimes it's the first bond you get, sometimes it's the last. Check at the Hou...
That’s what I figured but I’ve literally beaten the everything else there is to the game at this point
It’s a bit ridiculous
pine silo
question if i may
thorny mirage
Answer if you ask
pine silo
a scene in zag's room with a character if you choose Ease Off will there be another chance later
native blade
It’s a bit ridiculous
I think it’s great pacing tbh, you don’t run down the game too quick.
thorny mirage
a scene in zag's room with a character if you choose Ease Off will there be anot...
No
that’s when you define the relationship
what??
lone sable
autobot
lone sable
stuff like the f word count
native blade
I think it’s for sensitive players to choose if u don’t want the raunchy stuff.
Lel.
thorny mirage
??????
native blade
Dyno sux btw.
thorny mirage
yeah I know it’s awful for moderation but I’m genuinely not even cursing
native blade
yeah I know it’s awful for moderation but I’m genuinely not even cursing <:bould...
Spell it?
lone sable
could just see which word is getting autobot'd then try to substitute it
lone sable
i think dyno's just mad cause he's single
thorny mirage
I’m sorree moderators 
brisk trail
fighting hades to red sun from metal gear is a big w
native blade
https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-dusa-cute-adorable-gif-19139329
Baded
My boi Hypnos' spitting rn.
waxen garnet
I'll rather fight Hades to Red Sun by Dreamcatcher.
For a moment there I was thinking of boss theme from Metal Gear Rising ... which in that case I feel like Collective Consciousness -kinda- fits
native blade
I'll rather fight Hades to Red Sun by Dreamcatcher.
Ok, this is fire.
lofty verge
hey, i've got an issue but im not sure if support is the right place to put it: when i go to check the codex entry for the artifacts, both Daedalus hammers and Titan's blood are shown as "undiscovered", even though i've dont 154 runs by now and have gotten more than enough for the entries. does anybody know why this is?
high island
Nope. Definitely a #h1-tech-support question. Make sure it's not an issue with any mods you've installed.
lofty verge
Nope. Definitely a <#520430049003044864> question. Make sure it's not an issue w...
i will. it's just something that's been bugging me since trying to use the codex mod.
thank you though
lone sable
are hades's pots considered traps
high island
m like 99% confident it's the mod that's causing it.
high island
are hades's pots considered traps
Yes.
sour fog
are hades's pots considered traps
yes
lone sable
ig that's why it just did 150 damage
im turning off that pact
me thinking the run has a chance to win
native blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057825367987077130/1066756350002090104/i...
Yep, pretty stupid.
high island
Heightened Security is fun.
brisk trail
i barely use the rail so im just now getting around to doing bounties with it
high island
Traps that aren't a real threat are boring. 
brisk trail
"how many titan blood did you just waste ambrosia on?"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764541705403760700/1066757111335366746/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764541705403760700/1066757111335366746/image.png
high island
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057825367987077130/1066756350002090104/i...
If your screen is cut off like that on the left side, you probably wanna ask for help in #h1-tech-support to fix that.
brisk trail
If your screen is cut off like that on the left side, you probably wanna ask for...
nah i screen shotted it with snipping tool lol
high island
That lets you take fullscreen screenshots, too. 
I think default screenshot key is F11 in Hades.
brisk trail
ion really like saving them to my pc tho cause im never gonna do anything with em besides forget about them and let them take up space
rustic vale
im turning off that pact
This is why HS is pushed back until higher heat lol
wraith frost
I got a lock on nearly every god, how can I proceed with these?
stone rune
This is why HS is pushed back until higher heat lol
wdym? I love getting one hit by Styx saws
cyan jolt
I just choked the perfect run
I had Hermes legendary, mirage shot and hunting blades
Well it wasn't perfect
I just had good boons
rustic vale
I got a lock on nearly every god, how can I proceed with these?
Look on their individual pages on the wiki and find the part labelled their favour
silver mica
Traps that aren't a real threat are boring. <:tizozzz:456913427630129154>
Laughs in "died to heightened security styx axe"
native blade
*Laughs in "died to heightened security styx axe"*
Does that hurt enemies as much?
silver mica
Apparently not
native blade
:/
high island
I think they do like 600 damage to enemies. Something like that.
native blade
This is an outrage (hides Stygian Shard and Sure Footing)
native blade
I think they do like 600 damage to enemies. Something like that.
Oh, so it does scale.
Ok then that sounds fun.
wide sparrow
hi!!!
silver mica
Okay heart rend or splitting headache
Aspect of lucifer, artemis attack, dionysius special and crush shot
subtle barn
is there a more appropriate place to talk about hades mods than here?
wide sparrow
I havent played hades 🗿
but im only here cause the characters are cool
And seggsy
🫣
native blade
Fair.
wide sparrow
I mean
native blade
Never had a lurker before tho.
native blade
Oh nice.
wide sparrow
So
native blade
Lel.
high island
is there a more appropriate place to talk about hades mods than here?
Hades Modding discord is pinned in #self-promotion.
silver mica
I hate exagryph
native blade
I hate exagryph
Why? It’s based.
silver mica
I'm crap with it lmfao
native blade
Fair.
plucky sierra
I think it’s great pacing tbh, you don’t run down the game too quick.
I’m at like 80 hours ðŸ˜
native blade
I’m at like 80 hours ðŸ˜
Bro, that’s low.
rustic vale
Could’ve sworn that swearing was allowed
plucky sierra
My bad
native blade
Bro, that’s low.
plucky sierra
The game taking a long time because of bad rng doesn’t make it better
That’s just my opinion
chrome heath
Learning to adapt is part of improving
native blade
That’s just my opinion
I wouldn’t say it’s Bad RNG cuz it doesn’t make the game better to have them finish quickly. I get that it’s annoying but it’s not like the game’s gonna suck if you don’t get it now.
At the end of the day I do get that it’s still annoying.
It might be in work orders if you check.
carmine wraith
I completed the epilogue at 80 hours
Managed to get every single prophecy and achievement beforehand because of awful rng
brisk trail
all court music bought, only great hall left for furnitures, 5 aspects left to max out
i love this game sm
lapis lantern
What trinkets do you guys use? I usually use artemis/dyonysus charms and then swap to the purse and acorn for last stage.
But I don't think it's smart
brisk trail
that's usually the play, olympian>olympian>olympian/utility>utility
latent moon
Olympian generally isn't taken into Elysium but it can work
It's like defense/utility for both Elysium and Styx
Taking a god keepsake into Elysium normally means your build isn't good yet, which is slightly concerning lol
But it can be an option at times
lapis lantern
Taking a god keepsake into Elysium normally means your build isn't good yet, whi...
which keepsakes are considered to be the best?
I usually just take the acorn for the bossfight out of habit
native blade
which keepsakes are considered to be the best?
Acorn, Tooth, Spearpoint, Lambent Plume and Hourglass
Shackle and Mom Pom have some high praise but I can’t say it’s definitely considered the best.
lapis lantern
Is Lambent Plume a first pick? Or just on 3rd try
native blade
Depends, if you’re planning to base a run off of Rush Delivery or Dodge than you’d start but if you just want to add some speed and dodge rate at the end of your run for some reason you’d go there.
lone sable
Just a chance after every run
latent moon
which keepsakes are considered to be the best?
For defense, acorn is the best 98% of the time
Offense, dad keepsake or hourglass
None of the others ever get used except like purse, tooth, and shackle I'm pretty sure
Oh there's a case for earring but extremely niche
lone sable
Im using the broken spear point
Sometimes i just get comboed to hell and that helps with it
carmine wraith
That's my go-to defense, I think it's way better than acorn
calm saddle
Just a chance after every run
nooo
i just
got meg
in the lounge
the Gift option
isn't there
lone sable
Do you have nectar?
lone sable
It might need amrosia at 6 hearts
lone sable
Did you complete her favor
lone sable
In the codex there should be a different icon
Check the wiki for the icon i cant send images
rustic vale
i have one
you'll need to complete her favour then because the rest of the hearts will be locked
calm saddle
you'll need to complete her favour then because the rest of the hearts will be l...
what's her favor?
rustic vale
check her wiki page
because otherwise I'd be checking the wiki page and copy-pasting what it says
latent moon
That's my go-to defense, I think it's way better than acorn
For boss fights acorn will nearly always be better, but for styx and various wombo combo moments, there's a case for spear point
lone sable
I usually have like 300-400 hp with all death defianced by hades so the 5 extra hits will likely be less than the spearpoint would
carmine wraith
I'd never go higher than 300 health tbh
At that point you're bound to be missing out on boons and poms
brisk trail
I usually have like 300-400 hp with all death defianced by hades so the 5 extra ...
they're the nasty stubborn defiance high heat people
lone sable
At that point you're bound to be missing out on boons and poms
I mean idk my prev run i had 400 hp with taking less dmg+attack inflicts chill and decent dps
Didnt feel like i was missing out on stuff
I do seem to very often not take poms tho
high island
which keepsakes are considered to be the best?
All of the god keepsakes, Acorn, Hourglass, Coin Purse, Sigil.
lone sable
I mean some of dionisus's boons seem quite dope
high island
No.
native blade
I vehemently disagree
native blade
I mean some of dionisus's boons seem quite dope
^
rustic vale
🤨🤨🤨
lone sable
After party is just free room clearing
rustic vale
Hangover is super rad
native blade
Strong Drink alone is a reason to pick it up
rustic vale
Literally any hangover boon
latent moon
I usually have like 300-400 hp with all death defianced by hades so the 5 extra ...
That's dependent if you get hit twice in a row in a short time frame
Acorn can deny a ton of damage and prevents you from getting hit stunned as well for those 5 hits
Damage boost lol
Or uc fodder
high island
I usually have like 300-400 hp with all death defianced by hades so the 5 extra ...
If you have 300-400 max HP, what do you need a defensive keepsake for?
latent moon
Also true lmao
stone rune
"deplete heat gauge for remaining bounties"
apparently i never did 0 heat on bow
cant take erebus :(
waxen garnet
All of the god keepsakes, Acorn, Hourglass, Coin Purse, Sigil.
Huh ... I'm actually curious why Acorn would be good?
high island
Best tank keepsake for Elysium boss and dad. Gets even better at higher heat with HL.
latent moon
If you only get hit by hades cast, that's denying 100 damage in total already, which is on par for tooth
high island
Also great for DPS to preserve High Confidence at lower heats.
latent moon
And that's the easiest thing to dodge lol
solar vault
Acorn blocks the first 5 hits no matter how much damage they are, it's overall better at defence than tooth or collar
high island
Also, Lucky Tooth won't help you not lose a DD in Elysium boss.
latent moon
Only bad thing about acorn is that it can get wasted on adds that damage you
stone rune
If you only get hit by hades cast, that's denying 100 damage in total already, w...
collar stays winning
latent moon
But it's just always more consistent to take acorn anyways
latent moon
collar stays winning
Assuming you have all DDs left
But also like
That's just assuming only getting hit by hades cast and nothing else lmao
stone rune
if ur getting to dad down a dd ur probably better off with acorn anyways
latent moon
You're always better off with acorn for defense lmao
high island
Yeah.
high island
Doesn't matter. More HP saved is more HP saved.
hollow wasp
boss is also where you're likely taking bigger hits
Like Broken Spearpoint is for those rainy days that you aren't feeling Styx
but when styx is a walk in the park usually
high island
The only time I'd consider Spiked Collar is EM4 fight with 3+ DDs.
latent moon
acorn doesnt apply to the rest of the world
If you're suffering that much outside of bosses then there's other things to work on lmao
But also acorn can still salvage the boss fight when you get there
high island
But better off with Spearpoint vs EM4 with 3+ DDs.
Unless your max HP is somehow low.
stone rune
ill sometimes do collar for elysium and acorn for styx because i usually take more damage from the god forlorn spear dudes and flame wheels than champions but only if i dont have fo2 hl5 on
latent moon
doesnt get any useful well items
hollow wasp
~~doesnt get any useful well items~~
nonsense
You'll get flame wheel release right before Theseus
high island
Both for healing and for DPS, and the bonus duration can carry Well items after Elysium boss up to dad fight if you get a 2-sack.
latent moon
nonsense
You'll get flame wheel release right before Theseus
Oh that's true
Always nice to have that in the victory screen
high island
And you still get to equip Acorn for dad.
stone rune
yeah i hate when theseus summons the flame wheels
high island
Hourglass in Elysium is super strong.
stone rune
so i always take flame wheel release
latent moon
Just in case for extension erebus yaknow
hollow wasp
This is why they didn't give EM3 Theseus a flaming Macedonian
hollow wasp
That should have been a thing tho
Compleete with unique dialogue as to Theseus complaining that only the bull was buffed
high island
More Theseus dialogue is always welcome. Cyrus Nemati is a gem.
hollow wasp
Yeah when i ran through the game early Jan, his dialogue took forever here too
He didn't like the fish i caught
I almost had a complete fishdex by the time it gave me the dialogue
high island
You know you need to have a fish on you, right?
stone rune
yeah
hollow wasp
yes
stone rune
does em3 give champions more health or something
hollow wasp
He didn't like the fish i caught
iindeed
stone rune
that fight was so fast
high island
Of course it's possible that Lord Dionysus added that to the wiki as a joke so Zag would run around with fish in his pocket hoping to get a dialogue.
hollow wasp
i'm still getting random Thanatos dialogues on hypnos slacking after I forged bond with hypnos
fringe garnet
i've just done like 20 minutes of googling and apparently no one has yet found/uploaded the Family Painting source file in full resolution to the internet? i can only find screencaps from in-game, which all invariably are a little bit lossy...
i'm shocked, mostly because this game is so popular and its art is so particularly beloved...
high island
Yeah, EM3 has more HP.
stone rune
no MM is so strange
high island
i've just done like 20 minutes of googling and apparently no one has yet found/u...
You could try your luck sending a message via their contact form on the SGG website.
wide sparrow
i-
stone rune
thilly goose
stone rune
oh boy wait till you see the other scene
stone rune
:)
wide sparrow
Theres another scene?
NO TELL ME
I lowkey searched for all Thanatos scenes
THERE WASNT ANY MORE EXTREME
SCENE
stone rune
talk to meg some
stone rune
there's a good few of them
stone rune
idk than might be involved
stone rune
naturally
wide sparrow
💀
latent moon
I thought they were doing paperwork
stone rune
erm...
latent moon
Board games sound so much more fun
stone rune
you mean parchmentwork
latent moon
Ah yeah close enough
stone rune
what the deuce
i swear ive spent more hours sitting the courtyard trying to pick an aspect than actually playing
native blade
i swear ive spent more hours sitting the courtyard trying to pick an aspect than...
Lel.
waxen garnet
Best tank keepsake for Elysium boss and dad. Gets even better at higher heat wit...
Really? I mean I'm not a fan of tooth or collar and I know Plume is not as guaranteed, but I figured Spear would be more viable since it is active 1/6 of the time (invulnerable for 1.5s, recharges in 7.5s, worst case is 1.5/[1.5+7.5] or 1/6).
Then again I am bad at dodging so Spear pulls its weight a lot for me.
proud nexus
Poopy poop
chrome heath
Divine Protection doesn't let the resisted damage proc Spearpoint right?
noble canyon
so slow tho 😔
well it really makes sense, wouldnt be balanced if it was as fast as the other aspects
high island
Divine Protection doesn't let the resisted damage proc Spearpoint right?
Right. Divine Protection isn't damage resistance but invulnerability. So it doesn't count as a hit.
latent moon
Momentum go brrr
hardy spear
damn arthur em3
manic vine
I nuked my run by going fast [and by nuked, I mean the game couldn't handle it 
]
but hey I talked to the boulder
mint coral
Now gib 
to
waxen garnet
Now gib <:nectar:730890378563026965> to <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Boulder believes in you: show you that you believe on him
manic vine
I wanna gib to
brisk trail
all that is eventually gonna erode
latent moon
Not with that attitude
manic vine
just got another hammer, breaching rush or empowering flight?
latent moon
just got another hammer, breaching rush or empowering flight?
What aspect is this
And what was the first hammer
raw herald
latent moon
I'd tell them to take it over breaching if they don't bull rush at all lmao
I mean you can tell them to do whatever but after a bit they'll forget
manic vine
And what was the first hammer
doesn't matter now, lost in styx trying to get a centaur heart.
thanks for asking though, went for the breaching rush because I was in elysium and knew there would be lots of armoured enemies because; elysium.
Looking back; Should have stuck with that lucky tooth.
I haven't done runs with the acorn lol
latent moon
At this rate you won't get any if you don't use it
latent moon
Also lvl 1 acorn can deny more damage than max tooth iirc lol
manic vine
with the acorn
I wasn't expecting to go all the way to styx anyway, might as well look for Black Metal too because it's the last one I need for the prophecy
stone rune
i was googling and apparently someone did 32 24 and at the end still had a 14% winrate
how do you do that
yeah i know
im saying like
i feel like by the end of that you'd have higher than 1 in 7
just out of necessity